 We've got a cast of many, many characters up here, so I'm just going to hand it over to the panel because many people, lots of talking, good time, and you're off. The idea of the ambassadors was formulated a year ago to build on what had been running over a few years, which were the barcams, and it's our role as ambassadors for a particular region to be the ones to be the outreach for National Digital Forum and to think of what we can do for you as members in those regions. This year we've rerun barcams and what's mostly what's going to be covered by each of the ambassadors briefly is what they got out of their barcams that they ran, and then after we've done that hopefully we'll have time to talk about what's next. So I'll go from the opposite end to Amanda. I'm Amanda Kurnow, thank you. I'm from Massey University in Palmerston North and as ambassador I cover Haurifanoa, Palmerston North, Whanganui, even Taranaki. What we got up to in the bar camp this year in July we had a session on 3D printing and we had a presentation from Bronwyn Holloway Smith who presented last year at NDF I believe, and we also had Wikipedia editing from Mike Dickerson, which was those were both the really good presentations that we had, but I actually really want to use this time to pitch an idea to you, so the idea is called Pimp My Museum, it's sort of taking things into the future, but it's a mash-up of a couple of ideas, so it's leveraging the skill share that NDF have going as well as an idea I heard about recently where you have a bunch of people come together for a weekend and what they would do is they would have a museum or archive or library that needs a bit of TLC and they would brainstorm like on a Friday night about what needs to be done, you would have experts from different areas so you might have a museum person to come along look at the collections and the displays and then you might have someone looking at maybe the library or the website and you would actually get those people in like a working bee over the weekend, they're donating their time so it's kind of a volunteer thing, to actually make some real differences in a particular institution or a particular organization, so the benefits there would be getting the skill share people out into the regions and also the people in the regions could volunteer their time so they would learn from the experts and the museum itself will whatever would also have a benefit at the end so like it might, their displays might be improved or their website might be improved, so there'd be really concrete outcomes for everybody involved, so I'd be really interested to hear your ideas if you think that's worthwhile pursuing, thanks. Good morning my name is Hera and I'm from the University of Auckland Libraries and Learning Services, I'm an assistant librarian there, so I'm from University of Auckland Libraries and Learning Services, I hosted a bar camp for the Auckland region in July, we had for the morning session we have we had David Sanderson from Auckland War Memorial to talk about digital preservation which was really good and we've had quite a few good feedback from that as well. In the afternoon session we had some agendas that were created on that day, so we talked about things like copyrights, TPPA, so digitization selection appraisals, from that everyone quite enjoyed it and some were saying it would be nice to have a few more of the bar camp and also I've been asked to say push back to NDF for practical advocacy to help local institutions to work together, National Register of Digital Initiatives, so we know what others are doing on regional and national level, so what they want is they want something a bar camp but another kind of like an NDF but more a channel that we could talk in a national level so we know what we're doing not just in our region but over the whole of national glam sectors. So yes that's my feedback. Hi I'm Meredith Rimmer, I work for the Nelson Provincial Museum and I'm the NDF Ambassador for the Nelson Tasman region and I just wanted to paint a picture for you about what's happening in the digital sphere of that region because I know we all come from loads of different places in New Zealand and so some of the neat things that are happening in the Nelson Tasman region there's the Prowl website which has been going on for about seven years and there's going to be a specific presentation in this room at 2 p.m. about keeping that collaborative project going and it's a website where people can contribute their stories and their memories and photographs of the Nelson Tasman region and historic events. Kete Tasman which is run by the Tasman District Council and the Tasman Libraries is a really good Kete in that Kete suite that this country has. The Nelson Provincial Museum has a large-scale and long-term digitization project of our glass plate negative collection. It's been going for about five years now it's about 75% of the way through now and the total of the glass plates is about 160,000 glass plates and 50,000 of those are now available online through the museum's collection online database and also it's just recently started being harvested by Digital NZ as well which we've been really really thankful that we've been able to pool that resource. And I also just wanted to mention that the Nelson Provincial Museum has been playing around with its Facebook page as a way of trying to experiment with engagement and I think we need to experiment more with what we're doing. I asked around my region to say what sort of supports needed, how where people feeling they're a little bit weak with regards to digital cultural heritage and I got similar things coming back to me so I just wanted to just briefly bring them up. Digital preservation there's a concern that these are small museums and galleries and archives where you've got two or three people working doing everything in a lot of these places. The Nelson Provincial Museum is one of the largest employers as a museum in the region. The libraries are fairly well supported but the other places are actually really tiny and they're trying really hard to digitally preserve their things but they need to keep track of all the changing technologies into the future and I think there's a fear or a bit of a dauntingness with regards to that. There's a desire to work strategically across the region digitally to make sure we maybe digitize all the letters of a certain period or something to just come together more collaboratively and it makes a better sell to get funding. And oral histories also came up a lot in my region. People are concerned that they've got stacks and stacks of magnetic tapes that need to be turned into digital files. The Nelson Provincial Museum's just recently digitized all of their magnetic tapes but there's many others out there and other archives and museums in the region that are still sitting as cassette tapes and then also a worry about not collecting new oral histories that that work isn't being done and we're losing stories. And I just wanted to quickly say my vision for our future in the Nelson Tasman Melbourne region is I think we're actually getting quite good at capturing the content, the digital content of our cultural heritage but we haven't yet moved on to that engaging and playing and using it. We've stored it, we've called it but now we need to do something with it in a creative way. So that's my wish for the future. Hi, I'm Joanna Stropinski. I work at Canterbury Museum and I'm the Canterbury Rep. We had a very successful bar camp this year. Adrian Kingston came to talk to us about cataloging digital objects as part of the Skillshare. We had sessions that ranged from people just talking about projects they had to getting practical advice on maybe the look and feel of their website and we even had a mini hackathon breakout in the corner for some people. Through that we identified a series of practical skills that we all like to learn and Seismic has taken that up at the University of Canterbury and once a month we run practical skills workshops. Our next one happens to be tomorrow and it's on textual analysis. So if you find yourself in Christchurch you should come along. While our bar camp was very well attended I'm pretty sure every single person was from Christchurch. So one of the goals for the future will be to host it physically in a different location in one of the smaller towns in Canterbury. Hi, I'm Harley from Taronga City Libraries and we ran our local bar camp in August. We had people from the Bay of Plenty and the Waikato and neighbouring regions or even though we had just 18 people come. Some of the themes were around social media, different platforms that can use engagement and copyright issues. We had Matt McGregor from Creative Commons come and talked to us in the afternoon. It was really well received. One of the projects that we were launching at that time was called Taronga Transcriptions. Our library was given a collection of World War I letters which we scanned and we put up on our kit there. But then we also created Google documents that sat beside them that were open and editable, didn't require any signing in. And then we wanted to encourage our community to take those letters, open up the Google document beside it and transcribe it. So we launched that. That idea was also picked up a few years of the people who were at the conference and so maybe that will be repeated around the place. I'm very careful not to call it crowd sourcing though. And I apologise if I have called that in the past. But yeah, we thought it's a great way to get some of our older people in Taronga who can still read handwriting and want to be involved and commemorating and had maybe even fathers, grandfathers from the First World War. And weren't necessarily as digitally literate as younger generations. So we're launching that and we'll see how it goes. I'm Sabine Vever-Biet. I work for the Far North. Sorry. I'm Sabine Vever-Biet. I work for the Far North District Libraries and I'm Sabine Vever-Biet. I work for the Far North District Libraries. I'm the Systems Librarian there and I am the Northland Ambassador for the National Digital Forum. Is the Far North... I'm the Systems Librarian. I don't shout at people. Okay, shall I start again? Okay, I'm Sabine. I work for the Far North District Libraries. I'm the Systems Librarian there and I'm the Northland Ambassador for the National Digital Forum. As Far North or Northland is quite populated only in different areas, I had the privilege that I was allowed to run six workshops in all our six libraries. Now, I did heavy advertising on Facebook's personal emails. I contacted people, everything like this. But overall, I think I only had all together about 12 people turn up. Now, I think it is a great start. I came up with different concepts how we can do difference. Now, people did not know what the National Digital Forum is, so mostly I had to explain what can be done, what it is and how we, as Far North District Libraries, I took ownership of that and can help with facilitating things. I wrote a few things down and, forgive me, I'm reading them out. Out of all the sessions, the topics came up as e-book publishing, copyright issues, computing for seniors, facilitating skills, Moray skillshare program, social media for museums and archives to increase visitor numbers, empowering use, increasing museums, digital public access, mentoring program for film, movie, electronic and digital interested youth. So, I have over the whole two weeks, I had those programs kept everybody in contact with each other. I have written to people and showed them all the links to the different sites where there are videos about things they had approached up and I have also more or less said, I will come back and make a proper report and let everybody know. People who had signed up didn't turn up. People who didn't sign up turned up. So, I have included in all my emails at the end, I have included everybody who turned up and didn't turn up just to keep it all going. I do think that I have just started something. I would like to keep on going because it's, I think, a huge task to actually get the regions, especially for North up to not standard, but actually keep it going with things that are going on. We often miss out with things and I think we, yeah, need to all work together to just let people know what is going on. Hi, everyone. I'm Amy Watling. I work at the Alexander Turnbull Library in the online research services leader role there. I've been the Wellington Ambassador, the Wellington Regional Ambassador, which is an interesting concept for two years and the position will be vacant next year or whatever it is that we decide to do. So, I've had a really interesting experience being the Wellington Regional Ambassador because I think the program was conceived as, you know, there's lots of talent and interests concentrated in certain areas. And then there's people who are working very hard and there's two of them, there's five of them, and about skill sharing and getting people to those or maybe that there's a larger group and people have their own interests, but Wellington, you know, could Wellington be said to be a region in this context? But I've had a great time and I, the first year I ran a very pure bar camp, very much, I did not set any topics, I was, you know, ready for whatever came. And I got a lot of librarians to that one, and I had to convince a few people not to leave in the first half an hour because they were they were expecting to be presented to. And so that was really fun. That was a great session, very lively. And lots of mutual learning at that one, there was not a lot of questions coming up that there wasn't one not one or two answers to in that group. And I ran a sellout session of 80, which is more to do with my presenter, who is Victoria Leachman, who ran a very practical how to copyright for for the glam sector, how to clear copyright on your collections. And she had worksheets and she had homework and everybody responded really well to that. And it was really good. And I still I still use what I learned in that session. So the next year, I unfortunately decided to get really ambitious. And I I've been very interested for about a year, and I know I'm a latecomer to this, been very, very interested in that emerging academic area of digital humanities and the use of our data and our metadata and how glam sectors, well, really lamb at this stage, but hopefully that you will come along, engaging with the academic communities on the use of our collections in a completely untraditional way, in a way that really doesn't go anywhere near the object to me. And it's I find it really exciting. And the textual analysis that you mentioned and topic modeling, all kinds. And it covers such a wide range of material. And I really I decided, well, this year, I could run another, I could run some more sort of one on one level stuff, but I really want to get into this. So, but I thought other people in the in Wellington would not know, you know, would be new to digital humanities and how it connects to to the glam sector. So I decided I'd do an expert session, which was the bar camp and the 101 session, which was a seminar. And I got three wonderful speakers, Sydney Shep, Thomas Koenske and Dr. James Smithies, who are very generous with their time. And I got 20 people, despite advertising my heart out. So that was a that was a real learning experience. And I think what happened there was that a lot of people I think saw it and went doesn't relate to my work. You know, and it was a shame because the whole point of that session was I was trying to tell people this does relate to your work. This is coming. This is interesting. You need to know the building blocks. And it was a great session. And I learned, I learned a lot and the people who are there have learned a lot. Interestingly, the expert session had 25. And I don't expect it a small group for that because we were I really wanted to get people who were in up to their elbows, and could really talk nuts and bolts with each other. So bringing the academics and the, and the Glam's people that Glam's technical stuff together. And a lot of that was still was still very building blocks. It focused around infrastructure. We were talking about delivery of data open standards. But also broader things like funding models, support, establishing centres, leadership. So that was really, really valuable. And people who had heard about each other met each other and, you know, other things like that happened. So I was really happy with that. And I think I would really like to thank James Smith's Diane with the head and let her for their support. Because it does take a bit to get off the ground. These all these sessions that we've run, you know, they will sound pretty simple at the end of it. But it's amazing how much time you put in at the beginning. Thank you. So I'm Alison Brown and I work at the University of Otago Library as the digital services coordinator. And I'm the ambassador for Otago. And when we met up at our training day, I quickly realised Southland had been forgotten. So I thought, oh, I'll pick up Southland too. And so it became that interesting communication across two large regions, which because of other things I'm involved in seem to be a normal habit. And I spent a lot of time because previously to that I had run barcamps on behalf of NDF. It became about how do I communicate to other areas of the glam that I don't have ways to communicate with. So finding people within Dunedin that could pass on the communication and say, oh, this is for you too. It's not just the librarian telling you what to do. Then I also, based on those previous experience with other barcamps, I was really thinking about giving people ideas before they turned up. Because quite often when people turn up to barcamps, they expect to present something, they expect to be experts. And it's about going, hey, here's some possible topics. But if you've got a question or something you're trying to work through, this is the time to bring it along and talk about it. And within the barcamp, I actually ran, we also threw in some five minutes on, which someone has pointed out to me ended up being more than five minutes each. And it dealt with things like tools that you can use for social media and gathering your data. We had a robot brought from the Invercargill public library that students can code. And that was lots of fun. We also had the copyright and open access manager from the University of Otago do a quiz. And everyone discovered how little they knew about copyright. So that helps say, you might think you know about it. But if you have it struggling with these questions, here's an opportunity to run a session and have someone that's delving into copyright talk about it. And then I already had figured out the overall structure and what topics possibly could be covered. But then it was that whole thing of adjusting it now. What are we going to go with and being flexible? We did have James Smithies come to our bar camp and run a workshop in the afternoon. I purposely asked James because the conversation around digital humanities is evolving. And it would be good to support that especially some of the larger institutions in Dunedin to support a lot of the researchers through the University of Otago and other research bodies. And so that did attract a couple of people and did lend itself to the point that James was off talking to one of our academics about setting up digital humanities at Otago, possibilities, maybe. And it's just trying to have those conversations. And from the day when we had the roundup at the end of what did you get? What do you want? More than one person went, we want to keep the conversation going. And luckily I'd already had conversations like, we want to run meetups. We don't know if they'll work or not, but we want to run them. And we've since had one, I need to actually use meetup software application to hopefully run in the next another one in the next couple of weeks. And part of the reason to use that beyond emails is Dunedin has a huge growing coding community. And there's a lot of people that are basing their businesses from across the world in Dunedin. And I don't know if we'll ever attract any of the coders along, but you never know. And see what happens. So for me, some of the things I'm reflecting on, but what I'm still struggling with, even just focusing in Dunedin, it doesn't seem that large. But there are a disparity in skills and knowledge between individuals and institutions. And it can also be individuals in institutions. And also the collaboration between the institutions. And often these conversations happen at a really high level, but not at an operational level. And if you want things to actually happen and change and evolve and play around with things, it's the operational people that are talking to the community can talk to the people that have their stories that want to share. So it's trying to bring those things together. So I don't think it's just at a New Zealand national level that needs to happen. And so they were the my key things that I'm building on. And also in the back of my mind is how do I support Southland? And how do those two regions work together? Doesn't mean we need a Southland ambassador or is it something we evolve towards? Because we want to make sure those in the smaller institutions and museums and libraries all feel like they've got a place that I don't have to travel a long distance to attend these things. And I did find that previously we did have more of them this time around, not so much. But it was good. It was a great experience. And each time it's a learning experience. And so all of us have produced reports of what we got out of them. We're also what we're not current today, putting in a shared document. So hopefully you guys can bring some resources. And I might throw in the link to Richard White's copyright quiz for those that didn't see it on Twitter on the day that it happened. And you can test your knowledge. And so I'm going to, before we hand out for questions and requests of what you think we should be doing as your ambassadors, I just want to reflect back on some of the things that was posed in the AGM this morning. So I'm going to look to Amanda. Well, you raised it last night with Chris. And then we raised it at the AGM of what more can NDF do to support the ambassadors, to support our members to evolve and become more in what we're doing with our collections and engaging our communities. Can you? Right. So we sort of talked about communications really key. Getting people to talk to each other from different sectors and different associations even. So, you know, knowing this morning we sort of talked about how, you know, not overlapping with conferences is quite important. It's sort of like splitting the vote type thing. But also making sure that people are aware of the key, the other key people to talk to and the other kind of key events. So don't have barcamps for NDF and then maybe something else for ARENS at the same sort of time. What else did we talk about? There's also a number of national bodies, which I cannot remember right now what they're called, where they're actually already going out to the regions. And I think in museums that's one of those examples. And it would be good for NDF to help the ambassadors coordinate with all those different national bodies that already have a mandate to go out and talk about preservation. And so there's a few conversations around we want preservation. Well, there's already bodies within the National Library. Yes, it's a small team, but how can NDF help the ambassadors to maybe get something going? And we didn't really talk about it, but a couple of us have talked about finding ways to not just run meet-ups, but running events throughout the year. Is there a way that maybe, like with Victoria, where she ended up going around the different regions and presenting the same sort of workshop to continue that going so it's not all about an individual ambassador in a region or regions trying to come up within these themselves, even if they're talking to others. Because there may be others that someone in NDF or someone in one of the national institutions know about that would help meet that need. And then it could just be this person over a week goes to four regions. And then it just helps building up those skills and then hopefully bringing those into those sessions that would normally not go to a bar camp. Don't think it's in their job, but if they went along they would realise yes this is what you should be thinking about in your job. I think one of the things is having purposeful conversations and making the time to just get together face to face. And it's something that through our just our working society we don't do much, but I think specifically with this creative digital stuff you've got to throw ideas out there and talk with each other and see each other and see hey what I'm working on might that matches with what you were talking about that's amazing maybe we can turn that into something in three years time. But it's got to start from somewhere and I think one of the things that I really enjoyed at the end of our bar camp everyone again like I think everyone on this table had that feeling that people wanted to continue those conversations in the region. And we did a meet-up as well at a collective a bridge street collective cafe type group working meeting place again I was trying to attract those coder IT people just hang out where they are and maybe osmosis will happen. Because and like with you Amy you were saying that you were attracting I wrote it down Glam technical staff I don't have any Glam technical staff who were focused on the creative side of the Glam industry we've got the hardware software technical staff but not people who were doing that creative app building website development type thinking in in my region. I actually had and I've gotten about that quite a few people mentioned to me but yeah forgive me why is nothing ever coming like national digital forum to northland or far north. So the idea is still that I will run a seventh workshop in the fungalware library and maybe get a skill share person and and then we invite everybody who had came to on those far north sessions to that just as like a little start and maybe see where we can go from there then. Questions it's not a question so much as offering a service you're just talking about the outreach services available. I work for one of them and we're always I'm working for national services to Padangu which is the museum sector support team based here they're also outreach services at National Library and Archives New Zealand. We're always really keen to work with people and we all also run workshops regionally so let's talk about that because we can help you we can partner we can promote we can you know get expertise so really happy to help I just wanted you to know I'm here thanks. Hi Philippa from Museums Aotearoa just following up on that conversation which which you mentioned from the AGM this morning and what Tamara has just said about national services just listening to what you've said is as feedback from the regional barcamps it seems to me as though different regions do have slightly different needs and some might have more available skills on the tech side and some more on the content management side some more on the creative side so I think probably what would be most helpful would be some way of bringing that feedback into some sort of national kind of bring it together and see what are the national needs. The reason that one of the reasons that Victoria Leachman's copyright sessions were so popular is that they do crossover the people who are interested in the digital the people who are interested from the collections or audience engagement side of things so there's a lot of crossover but there are probably other topics which are much more specific to some particular subgroups of this broader glands and some which is specific to the NDF type community and others which is specific perhaps to the library community or the museum or the gallery community so I think the important thing is to have the conversations and to make sure that the the major kind of institutional players are really involved both at local level and regional level but really important for you who are the people who are talking to those groups on the ground to feed that back somehow. Each of the ambassadors need to do a report at the end of a bar camp and they talk about how many people they got what sectors they came from what they talked about and things so we do do a report so I don't know whether that and that goes to the person that looks after the ambassadors so I'm not sure how they would perhaps disseminate that. I'm from Palms North Library I'm not a librarian I work as an analyst but this is my second year here so I see a lot of hard work put in by each community and a lot of initiative is taken but again as I just hear like you reported back on the output outcome of the event so what I'm looking at is I don't know why it's a problem but I see like it's there's a need to standardize the steps that are taken so that like there's a better use of best practices and like so if I see like okay for Palms North this is a challenge so if I have a location when I can see okay which community has done this so I can like communicate with them and say like oh how do you do this so they'll say oh we tried this this this and then we can share from them and I have come to this conference just to like see what's happening and talk to people I have some problem that I am looking for some solutions so this is a great opportunity to mingle and share but I'm an expert in excel more intermediate level so if somebody comes and ask for can he help me with this report so I can just do it in a within a minute so again one of my colleague Lee Thoros like he started a very good concept of skill sharing and last year like I went for that short dating like you talk about what is your expertise and people just spoke to me about how they digitize their expert in that but again nobody spoke to me about what they want from me so the point is like we have wealth of knowledge and expertise the only worry for me is like do we have a structure which enables everybody to use that strength and like minimize the weaknesses so I'm sure like they're thinking ahead on this but I just want to know like if there is will that come into picture soon or um I I don't have the answer to your question but I do think it's a really good point and there is that skill share set up which I don't know if you've seen it there's part of ndf you can get it off the website it's maybe a half page it looks lovely and it lists maybe 10 people at the most experts in their field they're probably they're all here at the conference and they they offer to come to your area and help you formally in whatever area that they're experts in as well as offering other support and that's lovely it's very high level support and maybe what you were suggesting is adding on a second tier of support where for example at my museum we've got that big glass plate negative digitization project we hope that we're pretty good and could offer some really good practical advice on setting up a project like that so maybe something a second tier not we're not going to fly over to to your place but we'll certainly have a conversation and offer advice and support so I think that's a really really good point I think in that regard it becomes a way to you know you could follow up with hey do you want to connect via skype or do you have any documentation you can share with me and I think from the other side that if you're looking to work on something you haven't worked before and you're trying to figure out your infrastructure use actually the NDF Lumio discussion forum to say I'm about to work on this has anyone worked on this say you get people that are trying to look for solutions and then you can respond to that issue they're having all that experience go hey you should look at this and just provide that so make the most of the discussion forums currently it's it's for members but it's that's generally how I've been contacted through different forums you know I'll put my hand up if you're looking at different repository platforms I'm figuring out which one over the other one with open repositories I've got lots of experience but I don't think I could do Skillshare but contact me so I think yeah it's that lesser list but also saying to you as members if you're planning to do something share it on Lumio if you can and hopefully someone can give five years ago we went through this this is our big lesson out of it and we found this tool really good so communication so I was just going to say I think your idea about having a like a second tier register of expertise in the local region is much less intimidating than having some quite high-powered person from Wellington come along um that would be a really good idea and then you could say oh I'm doing a digitisation project whatever I just need a camera recommend a camera to me you know just something small it doesn't need to be big it doesn't need to be you know what is my strategy for digitisation so that's a really good idea thanks for bringing that up I'm Hi Sabine I just wondered if you could tell me the kind of challenges you have in the far north well I don't know where to start and I don't mean that in any way it's no I had been very successful putting stuff on the local Facebook pages where I had heaps of conversation going and people really interesting in asking questions most people took I think the unconference or bar camp as the biggest issue they couldn't understand so I at the end changed everything just to like a workshop let's have a workshop if you have ideas just bring them along um I think it's connecting to people it's con that's it's like keeping I had okay I had one lady come to one of the workshops um who says like look I really like what you're doing there would you be prepared to come to one of of Marais and I said like I think I need to clear it with my managers but I think we can do that because she said like I don't think that any of those people I know from the Marais would ever come to any of those workshops because it doesn't first of all you keep it in the library it's very yeah not very comfortable for many Maori people um it's a bit of a tourist spot so um I think this grass root thing I really like using it I think grass root we have to be in far north far more grass root and go out I think us librarians in the far north have a I think yeah we have we have to do I believe like more yeah do more by going outwards and I have spoken to my manager I'm often about this I think we need to be more more ambassadors for the far north not just national digital forum just ambassadors just to try to get information out and connect people I think and I'm not trying to say anything negative it's just this is just my my ideas is not here I have to say that I've run into constant issues with that term bar camp and I mean I'm not saying everyone at the Otago bar camp had a problem with it but it's like what why am I sending staff to this foot so it's it's trying to find a brand of having gatherings and whether it's a workshop whether and not just resting on hey this has worked all right in the past we should keep doing it it's just asking that constant question and responding and it may be that continuation of the some regions it works for others it doesn't how can we support a variety of events and activities happening in the different regions I definitely agree with the questioning over the name of bar camp or on conference that's definitely really confusing to both management and people coming outside they just they don't understand what it is just workshop or meet-up would be better it's literally you have to come to one before you actually understand what it means yeah I just completely dropped the term from my publicizing and just called it a gathering and also I found the term national digital forum doesn't mean anything unless you know what it means so I had to put a lot of kind of filler things cultural heritage digital gathering sort of filler words so that it made sense in in my publicity and in my email and when I was talking to people about what we were sort of trying to offer if you're in the know it makes sense but if you're not it doesn't make any sense at all burning questions ideas random concepts I'm Lee Reid from the Dunedin city council and I know that we don't kind of fit in the glam sector as such especially my role on the digital services team leader so I'm in charge of the information management side I also maintain archives our intranet and our GIS so my role is quite different from what a lot of people here have to do but also it means I've got fingers in a lot more of pies than what most people do so on a day-to-day basis I might be doing five or six different roles when I first attended a bar camp I found that the best thing I got out of it was I'm actually no more than I thought I did and that I could provide a lot more assistance and help to people so it was really good for me from that perspective that I got to meet people that I didn't necessarily get to interact with on a day-to-day basis who were in my industry and I think you need to really focus on that and raise that level as well because a lot of people will think that this kind of thing is targeted at specific people in specific areas and I had a concern about coming to this conference that I might not fit in that it's a little bit you know out of my league that kind of stuff but I've found I've been pleasantly surprised and yeah I just think maybe don't target it so much for those specific glam areas to look outside the square especially if you're looking for coders and stuff like that IT people the IT geeks won't go near this if it's Glam's so maybe I don't know as an idea probably spread your net a little bit wider looking for skill sets rather than specific kind of industries I think if you've got if you've got a wealth of expertise and different types of people in your organization or in your sector then you're kind of safe but in the regions we don't have that and yeah we absolutely do need to look outside collaboratively not just with the galleries the libraries the archives and the museums but with all the other organizations and businesses in the region and just try and find those joint joint collaborations where everyone's going to win because we don't have the resources or the skills to do an absolutely A1 awesome job got the passion but yeah gonna need help with my bar camp conference gathering thing that I organized I specifically in the morning I did presentations and I specifically asked IT people to come and present because I knew they weren't going to come just to be part of the afternoon session but I knew they'd come if I asked them to present and they did and it was wonderful and one of them even brought a virtual reality headset that we all had to go on in the afternoon and that was really really fun too I think there's a lot of untapped potential between people who can who have the technological know-how and who can code and create create stuff digitally and then us who've got the content and the passion and we've really got to work creatively and hard to get them together and it's a money are they a business so we're not a business how can we get that working together has anyone else had any collaborations between external app developers or website developers or has it all been in-house anyone that's already on hi hi I'm Vicks I'm here self-funded but one of my projects at the moment is for regional facilities Auckland a council-funded entity so we have series of business units that give experiences for people in Auckland like Auckland Zoo Auckland Art Gallery and so on and I've met some great librarians from Auckland Auckland libraries today at the conference I don't know how other regions work but what's been quite interesting for me is that and somebody at Auckland Art Gallery said it to me well it doesn't matter what budget line it comes out of it's all ratepayers money anyway isn't it and I was like yeah because we are a completely separate entity so this you know I'm an IT person and I haven't thought to come here but probably I would say for other sort of entities yeah those connections and like you've done reaching out to IT people we currently have a program of work we have an open source vendor doing an API for us for our first Auckland Art Gallery will be the first website for it but I know there are other projects that my colleagues with an RFA and also a council are working on around other digital channels and there's just I mean probably Auckland's a bad example because it's so huge but there might be even in the smaller areas there's all these pockets of projects and money that comes even not from council but other donors and so our plan at RFA is to slowly slowly as we have a success celebrate that and hope that people will come and be attracted towards us and instead of maybe building a micro site with some money they got for an advertising campaign out of a marketing budget that they might come and reuse our capability so yeah another IT person I think I've entered that couple of conversations I've now got my favorite thing to say bring code and content together probably one more time for one more I'd just like to really support the idea of working with councils no seriously because because the councils are primarily funding all the glam sector and they've got the expertise on in-house a lot of the time and so working with the people who actually do the back of house stuff for the councils as well as working with the front-facing institutions like the libraries and museums and galleries is really really important so yeah definitely work with councils please thanks thanks for that comment one of the one of the themes in our particular camp was that we had people from quite a few different regions there they often felt crowded from from high levels they felt they were working in risk-averse environments and if we can get councils talking to other councils saying hey what are you doing in your council about promoting your collections you know getting new things started then maybe we can start to break down some of that conservative risk-averse in spirit if you like that the creative people are chafing underneath with so you know spread that word and get them thinking yeah that's that's a cool thing for councils to do I think it's going to come upon us before we know it I just took from Andy Neil yesterday morning how he said it's going to be upon us before we know it I think you know the technological advances are coming like a tsunami and you know in two years time we will be having completely different conversations potentially about the types of ways we can experience our cultural heritage and it will be real we'll really will be doing these neat things can I ask a question so I just want to know like do we have any benchmarking like what I'm interested in is like for my community or my where I work like how can I say that I'm at a particular standard in terms of digital innovation so I'm not trying to like bring in the competition but I just want to see like of all the communities like which company is doing better and like it's more like looking at positive deviations and see like okay they're doing better because they're doing XYZ so is there any benchmarking or a way to know like where we stand or what is our target because we are putting in effort year after year and they talk about digitization so many thousand they have done 50,000 so I don't know like is it good bad or what are we heading to I'm not aware of any benchmarking system I think it's just talking to each other and general reputation that people seem to be better in areas some areas and worse in others maybe that's another thing to share we use this standard well I mean there are there are sort of international collection standards and things that are available and national services to Paarangi have all this the standards listed on the website and available in other places but kind of competing type things no I don't not aware of anything like that and it's so different too we've all got different strategies different collections we're not just chasing the numbers is that something that the India Awards will provide for us and that they will hold up exemplar projects and they'll be they will be something we agree rather than our management or a funding body or a standards body has ticked boxes but this is one that the community has said this is top notch yes please one more question thank you very much my name is Eric Boama having listened to the various briefing of how your back camps went I started asking do you all have the same topic to discuss or you have different topics and if you had different topics is there a way of sharing what you discussed with other back camps in different regions because I realized that most of the problems you mentioned relates to participation and low numbers of people attending and I like you have discussed if you want more people to come you don't have to do it make it as one of thing you should know your the people within your group and make the meetings regular and usually not making it as formal so that people usually within formal settings people can't get the ideas to share but when it is informal ideas will come so if the meetings are regular and you share among what is happening with South Ireland North Ireland knowing what is happening with others will encourage the sharing of ideas that's what I was thinking I'm just just thinking about the fact that we all did reports and some of us shared what we had gathered amongst ourselves and I mean maybe it's one of the things we could work on is pull out some of that stuff and say these are the things we were talking about these are the solutions we thought of and just figuring that it's something we could work over the next couple of months I'll say that for me right now and also I didn't say at the beginning but actually a targo did quite well with numbers and it was the first time we reached over 30 people turning up and we had a very diverse group of people and I think that was because I handed on communication to people who work in museum people who are archivist and just and then had that you don't have to come with a plan an idea but if you've got a question you need to participate and just try to spend a lot of time explaining bar camps and talking to a lot of people going you should come to this thing and I think it's just a it's an ongoing process so yeah we have a base camp site that we use so we can use that perhaps more guys to talk to each other about stuff we use we often do collaborative notes online so that's another way that we can share with each other and with the community at large and post the link to those notes as well and the meet-up idea where we can you know we can have those regularly throughout the year and also if the burden isn't on the ambassador necessarily to always be there because like as people say life gets in the way sometimes so if there's a small crew of people in an area that just sort of regularly turn up at least that gets things going I suppose we will did anyone actually add we had a shared document in case we missed it didn't cover anything today has anyone actually added content to that yet? Okay so we will share out via Twitter but we'll we'll write it up later on the link to that because like I said I'm also going to throw the link to that quiz on it and we'll make it an open editable document so you can post your questions but just for now I suggest moving towards Lumio forums to keep the conversations going so that brings us to the end of this session but it doesn't mean the conversations end keep them going if we're your ambassador come and talk to us be our friends help us out especially if there's something you want us to do for you and if you'd like to be an ambassador oh and if you'd like to be an ambassador Wellington Southland and it's one of those things it's we won't just dump you in it if someone takes over from me I won't dump you in it I'll mentor you through the process but it's a building area of knowledge and let's see what we can make of it and help us make it as much as important as possible to you on your needs