 I feel the liftoff of the podcast star to be a rocker. So everyone and welcome to another episode of the punk rocker moon stomper podcast. And I said it right this time on my first try. I am Amy with you and as always with me is go ahead. I'm Jason McClellan and yeah I'm always excited to hear if you get the show right because in my head I'm always worried I'm not going to remember it too because it's such a long ridiculous title but that's why we love it. It is it is but it's fitting. It's the most like I like a title that tells you exactly what you're getting into. That's right. It's descriptive but still fun. That's right. Yeah. So people know what they're getting themselves into plus we throw in a little extra too. Yeah. Yeah and speaking of extra actually this is nothing to do with extra but I am dying to open a beer right now. All right. It's been one of those days. Yeah so we to open the show we have to open the beer so you go first. I feel like I don't know if that'll come over. It sounded really good. All right. What are you drinking? Awesome. I am drinking the Deschute Obsidian Stout today. I had one of these the other day and it was delicious so I went and bought another six pack and I like it too because it's slightly higher in alcohol volume. Excellent. I love love love Deschutes. It's such a great brewery. They make such good beer. Yeah. Fantastic. Well. And what's up? I think that you know to tie in to our previous episode because I mentioned this beer on the previous episode and it is Santan Brewing, Santan Brewing Company's Moon Juice. They call it a galactic IPA and for those of you watching the video you can kind of see the can but it's got this like moon guy on it. Oh it does too. That's awesome. Of course it's galactic IPA. Naturally they use galactic hops which is a thing. It's like a type of hops in Australia I think but they describe it as an out of this world IPA crafted with tons of galaxy and Nielsen Southern hops that transcends all earthly pleasures emitting an aroma of peach, apricot and tropical fruit. So. That sounds amazing. It does but you know like descriptions of wine and anything else. It doesn't really taste like that. Yeah. But you know. Whenever I see a beer that has like peach and apricot I'm just like this sounds like it's going to be like a hoppy fruit explosion like a muffin in my mouth or something. All I can think of is the Tim Horton's muffins but then it's sort of like no this tastes like beer. Yeah it tastes like beer. It's subtle. It's subtle. As you pointed out I'm typically not an IPA person drinking an IPA today and I will say this is an extremely hoppy beer. Interesting. Well cheers. Cheers. Oh yeah that was needed. Oh man. That was needed. Yeah that's definitely needed. All right so rules of the game here when we're out of beer we're out of show so. Yeah. With that we'll get the show started and we thought today we would go loosely with a theme of legends. So this is our legends episode and naturally we'll be talking about many legends through the course of this podcast but we just recently lost a legend a space legend and I don't know I mean in my opinion anybody who's been to space is pretty pretty damn legend. Pretty much a legend. Yeah for sure but there are some I still think there are some that kind of stand out even within that elite group of the elite already. You know I mean like I'm a space historian I have a deep fondness for the Mercury astronauts and we I guess yeah I should break it. We lost John Glenn yesterday. He was 95. He had been I didn't realize he'd actually been in hospital for a week and because I hadn't actually been following the news super closely I was sort of vaguely aware of it I realized he was actually in a cancer hospital. So all the signs were kind of there not to mention 95 but yeah we we lost John Glenn around like one o'clock Pacific time yesterday I was out to lunch actually with another legend. Do you know John Logston at all? I don't. Have you come across him? He's been writing space policy since there was space that needed policy to be written about it. That's amazing. He's like a guy who does space policy he's been doing it forever and he's awesome and we went out to lunch because he was in Pasadena for a meeting and then he got a text from his wife saying that John Glenn had passed. I was like oh. Wow. And we both got really quiet. So yeah John Glenn is I I mean it's kind of odd when you like have these heroes that you look up to these legends that you feel somewhat close to you in a way quote unquote air quotes when you've never met them like I never met John Glenn. Did you ever meet John Glenn? No never had the chance. He stopped going to events and stuff years ago I think and sort of you know only the big ones but yeah it's just sort of but you do sort of feel that loss and for me it's like he was he's this this archetypal astronaut from the 60s that we just don't see anymore of this like this man was as a American as apple pie and like as cliche as you want to get like he had the he was just like young good-looking Protestant male with a beautiful wife two children and I think they might have had a dog at one point and like I don't know if they had a picket fence around the house but I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah like war hero first American in orbit like public servant all the way through like he was just a good human and like that's such an interesting rare breed but yeah I don't know it just it made me when I was driving home from that lunch I was just thinking about like that's a legend that's that's like a very specific kind of legend yeah and it was interesting because it was I think it was the same week early earlier in the week we heard that Buzz Aldrin had been taken to a hospital and airlifted with the South Pole too yeah yeah and then then hearing about John Glenn it was just kind of a kind of sad depressing bad health week for space the space world um I haven't heard what's going on with but I haven't heard anything more seen some photos that you know he's posted he's he's big big on social media so he's always posting yeah but buzz is a legend of a different kind I think I am talking to my friend Francis at the San Diego Air and Space Museum you know when you when you work in that kind of thing when you have to put up press releases like they of course have the obituaries for these guys like lined up ready to go which is so creepy and morbid but I get it um and yeah he was just telling he was telling me that like writing buzzes was really hard because like he's such an odd figure that like no one really knows what to say about him like I've met Buzz have you met Buzz oh you have I don't even know if I'd recommend it like I've been at events with Buzz and like not talk to him because I just don't know what to say to this man who's like not totally right yeah like it's really it's really sad and weird you know he's his face is made of plastic his wife is made of plastic he's just wearing all this like gaudy gold jewelry yelling about going to Mars but like he right I mean anytime I see his photos he reminds me of my grandpa because like he's always in the same shirt and always wearing a suspender so he's got his get your ass to Mars shirt or whatever and the suspenders it's the same shirt and the same suspenders the same outfit day in day out yep he's got the same just repeats the same lines and like yeah he's just you know it's natural as you get older that you slow down a bit you know you meet these old guys these old heroes that like they still know what they did they still know like the technical details of like systems they worked on it just takes them a bit longer to like remember the details but they're there Buzz seems to be having never actually seen him speak but have heard about like even recently it was the Gemini 12 50th anniversary and apparently he and Jim Lovell were up there and like everybody was just like felt awkward on behalf of Buzz every time he had to like stop and search for something he would just like fill it with words wow and it's just like I like I've met Jim Lovell I've seen him speak he's just like this quiet dignity of like a lovely older man and then next to the insanity of Buzz I'm like this is just weird this is just too weird so legends legends you know and talking about age I mean you know it's it's expected that these space legends these pioneers of space are are going to start dropping like flies as sad as it is because they're old you know there's no no denying that and it's just remarkable to think going back to John Glenn like how old he was the last time he went into space yeah he was in his 70s right 77 77 and that's remarkable and you know a space legend where I have met story Musgrave you know up up until the story is another story but up until full of stories up until John Glenn you know story had held the the record for oldest person in space or whatever so 77 I mean that's old and then thinking about 77 in space and I don't really know the all the operations that take place in space aboard a spacecraft but I don't imagine they have room just for you know people to be bumming a ride like I imagine you have your job and you have to do it so yeah can't really be dead weight in space I think he has had to have had his job and he did his job he had the the mental capacity his facilities were there that he was able to still perform the way an astronaut needs to perform and that's incredible and I have no idea what that job was I actually haven't ever gone into like what his role on that mission was but then but as you're saying that I'm remembering that like space tourism is a thing and there's like a couple of billionaires who have trained to go up in space and I don't know what they did like what did they contribute aside from money like well space tourism is certainly something we're going to talk a lot about on this podcast it's something that I'm super excited about and we have some friends who have been personally involved in one way or another in that whole mess that fun mess so we'll talk more about it yeah but yeah I mean I would like to know a lot more about you know space travel and what's involved in that you know because as you mentioned the billionaires going to space like what all do they do except contribute money yeah yeah I don't know and I think it's I mean it's definitely got to be different if you're on a NASA mission I would think so versus a private mission so okay I met this billionaire once best lead in but I met this billionaire once at an event he bought all the seats I think there's six seats on the second virgin galactic flight which of course is not a thing that exists yet right and the first flight has been delayed and delayed and delayed yeah because of death and all the bad things but this guy this guy has bought all the seats one is for him one is for buzz aldrin who is going to officiate the marriage in space between this guy and the woman that he does not know yet because he's still looking for that wife plus three witnesses wow so this is what billionaires contribute to space tourism a crap ton of money to do ridiculous things like get married in space well you know I'd volunteer I would get married just for the hell of it for that and then get a divorce but be worth it and then and then this led into the very interesting conversation with uh Fred Hayes who is of course uh who played him in Apollo 13 Bill Paxton Bill Paxton okay real Bill Paxton as I call him to people who are not familiar with the missions but I happen to have that conversation um with this weird billionaire right in front of Fred Hayes and then Fred Hayes and I got into a conversation about the legalities of space marriage like who like what that's fun wow that was actually like really really funny because I Fred Hayes I've met at various events and stuff and like he's the nicest guy he's just like super chill and unassuming and like everyone knows who he is because Apollo 13 but he's not like the sought after guy like Jim Lovell yeah like you want everybody lines up for Jim Lovell no one lines up for Fred Hayes and Fred Hayes is most like come hang out he's just like he's such a doll um but yeah we had this very interesting conversation of like does the state from which you launch is that where your marriage is done legalized like yeah how does that work how does it work when you get married at sea I don't know yeah but I imagine it's similar I guess I don't know space law is something I find incredibly fascinating it is weird that it's a thing that has to exist yeah kind of awesome it exists and yet it doesn't I mean it's kind of the I describe it as the wild west the space is definitely the wild west when it comes to any sort of law like there is some law that exists it's it's in place it's actually a thing but it's not recognized by everybody who enforces it it's so it's such a mess such a mess and also like what are the technologies like there's all kinds of laws for like who owns the moon even though like we don't have the technology to do anything on the moon beyond like go to and robe it so like all of these there's all kinds of weird space laws that exist that like we have no reason to have them exist yet anyways we'll have to just kind of fun we'll definitely have some conversations about that oh yeah no and they're so weird and you know people like right Robert Robert Bigelow have you know really been pushing and trying to get things cleared up and changed and put in place because he's you know very close to having property on the moon and you know as it stands now with the weird really bad laws that are in place there's no incentive for rich billionaires like himself to put up the money and you know take the risk and put these things on on the moon or any other body because right now the way the law is written and we're talking about uh what is it the the space treaty or whatever it is long name forget what it is now but um and there's a second one that's not really observed by anybody except a handful of countries pertaining to the moon but ultimately any property any structure that's built in space you don't really get to own like you would own a house here like it belongs to everybody so if somebody else another country or whatever an alien whoever wants came to the moon if that's where your your little hut is um you have to open the door and let them in because that's what the law says it belongs to them too you have to make it available to them for their use too like why are you gonna do that if you're a billionaire who spent the money to go up there and you know you've only got a finite number of resources you know if you only got a little bit of food or something for the two guys living in this hut oh well this guy from Russia wants to come in you gotta let him in yeah it's just it's ridiculous you have to be a very uh the whole thing with yes that's the whole thing the way it's written it's like this whole like lovey-dovey we all hold hands and everybody's friends um with space mining and there's and there's rainbows everywhere yeah um yeah with with space mining i mean that's a big mess too and everybody's going forward with it even though that there are these laws and they're trying to get them changed but nobody cares because who's going to enforce these laws and they're not really recognized by everybody but you know any resources you mind have to be used for the benefit of all humanity what does that mean you know yeah what does that mean yep yeah how how would you define the benefit of humanity because i mean like a billion and billionaires description or definition of what benefits humanity is going to be very different from like some i built a big hotel that's got my name on it yeah you know it looks pretty all of humanity can look and say wow that's a nice hotel i wish i could afford to stay there if that benefits humanity yeah i created jobs for all these undocumented workers that i will underpay to build my hotel that's helping humanity yep so it's all subjective it's such a mess but i i love it at the same time it's so exciting it's the kind of thing that like it's gonna have to evolve it's gonna have to be super fluid like as we actually start mining space if and when in like 50 years we start mining space well like i said i'm super excited about space law and we'll have to come back and visit that because there's so many topics within that too and just a lot of i mean a lot of that goes into what we were talking about earlier with space tourism and then we space mining and you know all these interesting things that are happening you know may happen in the near future so yeah and i really want to bring in some somebody who actually works in that stuff to talk about it because like i don't even know i don't even know and like i'd love to pick somebody's brain well we will amy we will hunt somebody down because some of our upcoming guest you know we won't pin times on them and i want more named names right now but we actually have somebody who is a friend of the show and will be on the show probably multiple times who is an old british punk rocker and happens to be on the board of directors for planetary resources i believe that's the company i don't think i knew that i guess he does know about space law doesn't he so he knows a little bit about the whole mining thing going on so we'll definitely definitely be talking about that he does know his rocks he does he is definitely a rock star in his own right yeah and he's on right yeah sure well let's then go ahead and move into yeah speaking of rock stars yes so i think i know letting you take the lead here i think i know who you might mention but uh who might you group in this category of market discussion right now of legendary because i got so excited and put it all over the internet when this happened like two weeks ago because i got to see tim armstrong play operation ivy with the interruptors and i was like four feet away from the stage and when he came into the crowd to like greet people before the show started i like touched his back and then i was like which is almost as good as the time the first time i saw the interruptors in may actually he was there because like he produces them right and he he's i and he played with them that night as well and uh yeah he like bumped into me in the crowd and it was like awesome yeah so i i would 100 put tim armstrong in the category of music legends i'm like i know he's not for everybody but like i'm a huge fan yeah i don't know i'm with you and he's he's very um influential as well i mean he's influenced so many bands over the years and worked with so many bands um you know as a as a musician but also as a producer and a label owner um and just as a friend i mean he's got so many friends and friendships he's developed over the years having been in the scene for so long um just the breadth of his work too like it goes pretty far pretty deep it goes even just like you know what did what was this i can't remember what song it was for like you want a Grammy for a song that he wrote for pink like you would not put those two people together necessarily but it's just like just being able to do all these things in different genres and like also be an artist like just having all of this stuff you know and i know it's amazing i know it sucks um you know and definitely probably not worth paying the money for Sirius XM but his show Tim Timebomb's Brands it's on Sirius XM on on the faction faction channel is kind of incredible if you're a Tim Armstrong fan and a fan of punk music and related genres because um that's really what the show is it's Tim Armstrong and and his life and these relationships he's built and the musicians he's worked with and his friends you know and incredible friends and they'll come in and and either have like a theme show where they they talk about a you know something specific or just general um where people come in and they'll kind of jam together he'll play songs that they recorded together um but yeah i mean he's done stuff like that we talked about the song he's done with pink and other artists and he plays that too um and plays different versions of songs that he's created he's written for other people but he plays like a version of him playing it like a stripped-down acoustic version of it or something yeah it's really cool and for you know Tim Armstrong fan it's a very geek tastic show yeah i keep waiting for somebody to rip them all and make a podcast out of it so i can listen to it because i'm not going to get Sirius XM yeah meh but yeah no i do i hear you his his like Tim Timebomb like stuff that he's released like it's so good it's just like it's so different but it's so good it's just like yep i'm into this i'm just into all of this yeah i haven't listened to uh a whole lot of the transplants because you know what i have heard that's not really my jam but yeah it's okay definitely and Travis Barker it's different um i don't love it yeah i don't know it's um transplants is weirdly the i do listen to a fair bit actually um surprisingly again yeah because it's it's a lot more like hip-hop oriented which is not a genre that i go to at all um but you know what before like driving to the gym for kickboxing it's like really good pop music um yeah and it's like it's it's got its moment right it's got that like there's a time when that's just like really perfect um yeah i had the this is my my best transplant story was i changed a flight to get back from san francisco in time to see transplants the day before my birthday this year and i was like this is my birthday present to myself going to see them finally because like again love tim armstrong love travis barker which is like yep this is totally totally worth it like blasted down from burbank to santa ana i think it was or maybe coast of mesa somewhere down there and i got there right in time for snoop dog i just missed them entirely and then ended up at a snoop dog show it was different that's fun it was it was so weird i don't know snoop dog is uh not that's like definitely not my jam um something a little bit weird too about like a 40-something-year-old aging rapper on stage with an 18-year-old still just wearing a glitter bikini you know it's interesting you know thinking back like early days of warp tour um you know hip-hop and and punk of for whatever reason have kind of gone together um the audiences have been a little little similar um in some circles but yeah early early war you know 97 98 i remember um you'd have interesting uh people on the on the lineup like m&m saw m&m really and people weren't having that i'll let you know in phoenix i think it was 97 yeah man people did not want m&m and i was kind of early in in his career but uh yeah it was funny because you've got thousands of punks and i forget who was playing next but it was some big band like bad religion or something it was coming up next and they had the two main stages like side by side and i was playing on on the left one and i was standing in front of the main one with like everybody else and you know he's sitting there he's like my name is my name is my name is and then everybody goes fuck you uh that's awesome and i think that was the same same warp that uh i think i think either ice tea or ice cube was there so that was fun too but yeah no good times yeah that stuff went together and you know i would have never seen them otherwise but yeah i could say i've seen them now so there you go there you go yeah sometimes it's one of those things where like you don't really expect to see something and then it's there and then you're like well that happened yeah so i'll go with it blink 182 it was amazing the last time i saw one of the last time the second the last time i saw blink 182 so i'm in la and they played a smaller show at the the wilter in theater and they like bring the weirdest people on stage with them just whoever like they just know everybody they know everybody and of course everybody there are another three people yeah that i would definitely classify as legends yeah in their own in their own right but go on yeah like pull out the work in la they brought ll cool j so ll cool j was there i would never put those two things together yeah so that was that was pretty exciting weird yeah it's weird yeah they have interesting people they bring out but yeah i mean you know tom dalong is somebody i'll throw in there is legendary and you know he has a special place in my heart because it's kind of been been an inspiration for me not only as a musician but as an entrepreneur like he's always had the entrepreneurial spirit spirit and as he's like grown and matured a little bit tom dalong and maturity i don't think ever go together i don't think he would want that to go together but you know he's always just had businesses in mind he's always wanted to do things that make him happy so that's been the the motivation behind all of his you know clothing companies and shoe companies and technology companies and everything and he's just done it um and his current company to the stars i of course love the name love the logo and yeah doing all sorts of stuff doing things that he's always wanted to do publishing books publishing comic books and working on feature films and tv shows and all sorts of fun stuff so yeah but his bands i've i've loved all of his bands too i mean blink you know always will love blink um but angels and airwaves love angels narrow waves boxcar racer was fantastic and he's even hinted that he's going to get that back together perhaps really yeah how many bands is travis barger in right now uh too many because i feel like i don't know if he knows bands we've talked about in the last like 10 minutes have included travis barger yes and how how does he have that much time what else is he doing i'd not the melts i mean that's true he's not doing anything else but uh yeah have you have you been to his restaurant i have not i have not i really want to go i really want to go a friend of mine it's it is it's vegan it's vegan yeah yeah um because one of my very dear friends um is no knows them because he's he puts on shows all over everywhere and he just knows everybody it's very weird walking down the street with him in vegas at punk rock bowling when like somebody stops him's like eddie i haven't seen you in ages and it's like you know one of the guys from bad religion it's just like this is weird i feel weird we're just standing there being like you do your thing you'd be awesome but yeah no he he is uh he's on a mission to make me like vegan cheese which i've said this before and i will say it again the one thing i just can't do is vegan cheese because i love cheese i'll tell you this i mean i hear i'll tell you this yeah so you are right and you know the the vegan cheese that's predominantly adopted like by restaurants and stuff because it's like the biggest company easy easiest to get is like the day of cheese or whatever so any place that like is a piece of joint and they'll do like a vegan cheese that's what they have and the reason that one's taken off so been adopted so well is because it actually like melts and stretches and so it you know seems to be like real cheese um i will say that after so many years of you know having it kind of like getting less weirded out by it but yes it's not great cheese so there are companies but a little caveat here they have a mac and cheese dea does a mac and cheese and the cheese that comes in it is like a packet of like the golden liquid cheese you know like velveter or whatever oh yeah that's actually good like that's actually good it's just all delicious chemicals yeah absolutely so that works and yeah you know i'm a big mac and cheese fan and you know i make amazing mac and cheese so that let's just that is a base that works on the record that mac and cheese is legendary legendary in its own right as well that's why we're talking about mac and cheese because this is our legendary episode yeah no um so that's my secret for making vegan mac and cheese is starting with dea because they've got that like liquid cheese um there's another company and i forget the name but they also have this like liquid nacho cheese type thing and i discovered it at the the vegan uh the la vegan uh beer fest beer and food fest which is an amazing thing so many vendors there and just lots of stuff to go around and try like you get unlimited beer which is always fun uh but also like all these food vendors and a lot of different cheese vendors so um that was good to try but you are right i mean it's really difficult to find good vegan cheese it does exist and usually it's at places that make their own and i've experimented with that a little bit um with some success when i when i look at your your personal youtube channel the other day um yeah something like a a dill havarti um that one actually came out well as well as like a smoked gouda you know smoke gouda is my favorite cheese in the world so when i saw that and thought that i could make a vegan version of that i was skeptical um yeah it came out okay but i definitely need to practice with it but yeah we've got a there's a there's a cookbook and i'm sure there are many but there's a cookbook that is all about vegan cheeses so kind of fun yeah i'm consuming for sure but uh how long does it take to make vegan cheese oh just a day i mean well actually like like three days probably i think you have to like let it sit and the longer it sits the better right right yeah but yeah i mean you like cook some stuff on the stove you end up throwing it in a blender or whatever a portina in a mold and stick it in the fridge just let it let us sit there kind of hardens up and you have to wrap it in a cheesecloth or a paper towel or whatever because it soaks up the moisture and then after a while you take it out of that and yeah so it's a little bit of a process but it's pretty quick all right well i mean worth the experimentation if you've got the time and i need to get around to doing that again so yeah i guess if you've got the time and don't have the cheese options then go for it because cheese makes everything better yes it does yeah i do love cheese i've gone on the record saying that i love cheese it's like i feel like lizz lemon is my spirit animal if nothing else because of the night cheese like i would like to sit around all night and just eat cheese i don't know i mean i would imagine they have it at crossroads and i'd be curious to see what they what they do yeah i heard the food there is pretty epic i've yeah i've heard of me this is this is back to my friend eddie whenever he's like coming to la there's apparently a vegan cheese restaurant or big cheese shop in la that makes the best cheese so i want to go there and then we've also discussed that we should eat at travis's restaurant because apparently it is fantastic and they do everything vegan very well um because i've had some i mean i've had some vegan food like i weirdly know a lot of vegans um and so whenever we go out it's always a vegan place and i've had some vegan food that's like really really great and even without the cheese i know i'm so cheese motivated right now i get it i get it but you're in a you're in a great city for it so much yeah yeah yeah and i've never thought about being vegan i really admire people who can who can do that well maybe we'll we'll do an episode where we'll go and and try vegan cheese in la that'll be fun oh that would be really fun you don't have to twist my arm yeah and then that's probably like one of the only ways that i will ever go into a vegan cheese shop to be totally honest yeah yeah yeah now it's fascinating these these uh little shops that are popping up in companies that are doing this um you know very niche thing they're they're vegan butcher shops you know these companies what like what is a what is a vegan butchering like i'm gonna butcher the hell out of this tomato and i'll have a hind quarter tomato like kind of awesome the stabbing of a tomato and yeah i mean it does bleed of sorts no it's uh it's just uh companies that make you know their own fake meat meat products right yeah there's no butchering taking place that's weird that they call them that but figure out fake meat like i know it's soy protein or whatever it is but like all sorts of different types but um so i'm a vegetarian because i can't stand the consistency of meat like chewing something that like bounces back freaks me out like i can't do gummy bears or gummy worms either um so the idea of like replicating mushrooms yeah mushrooms don't bother me yes i don't know i i know i know mushrooms are like a weird contentious fungus for people but like i love mushrooms because when you but i can also do seafood but not anything like calamari that has that like bouncy consistency so just like i get i can never really get behind the vegan meat that's trying to replicate the consistency of meat meat because i'm like this is just worse because it doesn't really have a taste but it also has that horrible like bouncy consistency of flesh i'm just like this is just freaking me out well a lot of them don't actually pull that element off so you might be okay with some of it but most of it is fine there's a there's a restaurant near me um that has a vegan chicken that is just like too too chewy and i just don't understand it i can't get it why like if you're vegan you love animals and you don't want to you don't want to hurt them so why do you want to pretend like you're eating them it's not pretending like you're hurting them it's just you know a familiar thing i think familiar i get maybe it's maybe it's familiarity but um and it also makes it more more i guess less weird for anybody else who is looking for alternatives and yeah they're all hey that's like chicken i know chicken yeah i think part of it is probably too like oh if you're like eating dinner with a vegan you can go someplace and eat something that's not going to freak you out um no i'm a big fan of it like i don't have a problem with it because like it makes it easy for me because i know what i like so like a couple nights ago i made sweet and sour pork because um garden has a sweet and sour pork um so they got these little cubes of pork um yeah yeah and a and a sweet and sour sauce so just throw that into your all your vegetables and it's deliciously amazing that really doesn't sound bad yeah and i make fish tacos with garden's fish they're fake fish i've never had fake fish so garden does a really good job with their their little fillets so they do fantastic and fish tacos yeah um hotly like a lot of i mean it doesn't really taste like fish and most fake fish doesn't it tastes like chicken um and it's probably the same stuff they use for their chicken their fake chicken um yep the weirdest thing okay so there is vegan tuna and that sort of kind of is like tuna um and vegan shrimp oddly is very shrimp like like shrimp they do kind of kind of like in that consistency is really weird yeah but yeah it's it's very shrimpy it's kind of weird odd yeah when was the last time you had shrimp though when was the last time you had shrimp that you remember what it tastes like not that long ago okay yeah yeah not that long ago i would say a decade or so maybe more i don't know yeah but yeah no i definitely definitely remember the tastes and textures of everything so that makes it great for me as as a cook to you know create everything that i love right and you know there's so many products out there that that that's easy anymore like a decade or so ago it was a little more difficult but pretty easy now so you know you have people who are vegan for you know they're the the like super healthy vegans and i'm not that i'm not that vegan like i like my friends like gluten-free i like everything fried like fried makes everything better so yeah i have a friend who's vegan who put stuff up of like meals he's made on instagram and always labels it as like here's this and like lists what the food is and says and this is how you become a fat ass as a vegan just like yeah because everything is fried and there's just a lot of carbs yeah and like with all the the meats and just weird stuff that you can do like you know a lot of it's still like weird chemicals and stuff like it's not vegan doesn't necessarily mean healthy but love me some chemicals but you know what i mean one of my favorite desserts and i eat too many but Oreos Oreos are surprisingly vegan so are they vegan they are vegan really i thought they weren't uh Oreos are a wonderful vegan dessert i thought there was gelatin in them no because i thought they weren't kosher huh i didn't know i haven't had an Oreo on ages you know when like you see that one picture on the internet of like somebody opened an Oreo and there's a dead spider in it yes that's probably never actually happened and it's probably something i assume that's the case with like every food and i just don't think about it i mean that's always the best thing is to not think about what you're actually eating just this is definitely true this yeah and you know some of my favorite restaurants it's funny because i've noticed this on many occasions that some of my favorite restaurants and usually it's like chinese restaurants but they get they like fail health inspections and like they're always like in the news like oh they got a bad grade or the health inspection yeah mom well whatever they're doing keep doing because it makes the food great yeah i i don't care i'm not gonna think about how filthy it is it tastes delicious oh my god i remember reading something about a chinese restaurant in new york that had like the kitchen was actually outside in alleyway because they had no space and like they were preparing dumplings outside like with rats running around and it was like massive health and i think it was something like google more more rats inside but yeah probably but like google earth like satellite imagery found this restaurant and like that's how anybody found out that their kitchen was actually outside in the back and everyone's like oh i love the food so much i don't care yeah yeah i mean i try not to think about like food trucks and stuff like it's you know it's not good yeah yeah i mean i know i you know i i i just shrug it off like i know that everything's dirty like that's life life is dirty and i think about you know my own kitchen you know i'm certainly not scrubbing the counters every five seconds and you know i'm licking my fingers while i'm making the food and everything else like it's somehow like okay when it's your own germs yeah no that's that's absolutely true but i don't i don't know what like i don't know why that is like it's still gross and like pete walks on everything pete being my cat right he walks on everything and like if i'm eating grapes and i drop a grape and he rolls on the table where he walks i'm like yeah no i'm the same way like i look at it like he licks my face all the time whatever yeah no i mean it's making me stronger right that's how science works yes everything like about you and about where you live it's like total pete contamination so either you're fine with it or you're not and really you just if you're if you're not fine with it then you shouldn't have pets that's damn right absolutely yeah no we we we know that uh you know our dogs like are on every inch of us and every inch of everything we own so you know when it's like we're putting the package of tomatoes away and they like one falls and rolls on the floor and the dog licks it we're all pick it up and put it in the fridge like yeah but don't worry friends if you ever come home when i make food for you i will actually take extra steps to make sure things are cool for you i'm very aware of like making sure i've like depleted things before people come over like speaking of there he goes behind me um like i will i will wipe down the the island and the counters so that like it's very clear like i want people to see like not not that i ever have anybody in my house ever but like the odd time like once every year and a half that somebody comes over to my house because like yo i've cleaned everything there's not pete everywhere i've like vacuumed and i've done this and like my car the lint roller yeah i like lint roller all his hair off from like when i drive he sits in like the middle console and just like leans on me which means he's like rubbing fur on like the driver side of like drivers see um it just like it just gets embedded in the fibers it's pretty fun so but yeah i try to like de-animal my life before people have to engage with it uh luckily no one engages in my life so it's pitiful well you know it's funny because i do the same thing but at the same time like that's a really good indicator if those are people who should be over anyway like if they're going to have a problem with my dogs i'm sorry i'm sorry that's a that's a red flag to me i don't need to associate with you pete is the best judge of character and that if you don't like pete uh i don't like your character yeah yeah that's perfect yeah i um i had some people over from youtube actually a couple weeks ago for a meeting they wanted to see the space that i shoot in and stuff and um the space that i have for meetings is this giant kitchen island and it's pete's place where he lies because like when i moved into the department had no furniture that was all he could do was be up on canner so i couldn't tell him not to do it um so i've got these three people there and pete's like rolling around all over their stuff like biting them and playing with them and pete doesn't cat right he his is when he's having a good time that's funny so if he starts the weirdest thing about cats like you need an introduction for cats this is why i like you know i'm out of practice with cats like i told you before i grew up with cats and love cats and always thought i was a cat person until i found my little dogs who were like cats but every cat and all animals are individual they're all individually different and have their weird characteristics but cats especially like you always have to give people an introduction to the cat to explain these weird behaviors because every cat is so different and that's why my wife is like she isn't really warmed up to cats because she hasn't spent a lot of time around cats right this view she has she really loves and she's a total animal person so she really wants to but she's kind of weirded out by how some cats like you know will be purring and then all of a sudden swat at you and then other cats yeah just like the differences cats are so fascinating yeah it took me yeah and for the record pete is a legend um yeah um he is a legend i love that i love that pete's like in my imdb page which i didn't even know i had until recently but like there's an imdb page for me it says my name and then mentions pete and then mentions all the shows that i've done in a few seconds i'm surprised you haven't made a twitter account for pete it's because then that's one more thing to maintain i know right what i should do is instagram i know i already like can't manage my own life um what i should do is an instagram account for pete because then it would just be pete pictures all the time it would be amazing but like that's another thing that i would then have to like log in and do and like meh this is one thing another thing to add to your list for when you get an intern or or an assistant um yeah that will be top priority yeah so your job is to follow my cat around and take pictures of him doing cute things and then put it on the internet the best thing is that pete would be like verified on twitter and like you know verified on youtube or like whatever whatever the things are he would get there way faster than me yeah oh he totally would you need to figure out how to get like a not a gopro that's too big for pete pete's a big big guy but uh some sort of pete cam i have a gopro now i can strap it to my cat oh god i think there yeah i mean there's a there's a gopro mount for everything so you got to figure out some sort of harness or definitely a harness and i i just feel like i should point out that i'm like towards the bottom of this beer which is why the idea of strapping a gopro to my cat is making me excited that's awesome so that means we're getting close to the end of the show so we should have gone so far off the rails starting no we've we've really maintained that legendary like we pulled it back to legendary somehow three different things so are there any other musicians we should mention in our brief legendary i mean there's so many we i mean we could go forever and all of these different topics of space and music and whatever with legends but for right now oh i i want to just briefly mention um jim heath from revan horton heat um i know you recently saw them you've seen them more recent than i have but jim heath is somebody who's always stood out to me as as legendary in my mind in terms of guitar players um i've always just kind of been in awe of what he does so if you're not familiar with revan horton heat if you're watching this or listening to this show you probably have at least heard of them but um they're they're uh they describe they they fall into the genre of psychobilly really which is a combination of rockabilly and punk rock basically but um they're a three-piece band so they're guitar bass and drums and the bass player of course plays upright bass jimbo is awesome but um jim heath the guitar player um really does on the guitar what other bands do with at least two sometimes three guitar players he can manage to do all of these intricate parts and create that full sound by himself on the guitar when i watch revan horton heat live my mouth and face hurt so much from just like either smiling the entire show or having my jaw on the floor the entire show um the greatest experience i had with revan horton heat i've seen him so many times but um somehow okay i was working um for uh asu when i was a student at asu and my supervisor one of my supervisors at uh my job um was also a bartender and he bartended at a club in phoenix it doesn't exist anymore actually tempe but he let me know that um that night they were going to have this secret show and he was put on by um a cigarette company it was a secret cigarette show those things exist i guess and he's all all you've got to do is you know this isn't advertised at all so all you have to do is show up at this time and they're gonna have reps there and these reps are gonna come and ask you what brand you smoke and you mention the name of this company that's sponsoring the event and you'll get in i was all all right this sounds awesome i can do this so by the way not a smoker at all and but sometimes you can lie for the sake of good music i can and uh you know i will put out there that i don't turn down a an occasional cigar with friends so but at the time no real experience smoking um and i'm in this line and everybody's smoking and i'm with my best friend and we decide that we need to blend in so we um i don't know if we actually i think we had cigarettes with us so we could pull out if we needed to but uh i had a lighter with me i was prepared with a lighter and a girl in front of me like turned around and asked if i could light a cigarette okay so if this wasn't if it wasn't obvious enough that i wasn't outside like dying and like not smoking with all these other people um i pulled out my lighter and you know it was the 99 cent thing i bought at the grocery store before going to the show i flipped the lighter and it was set to like high so the flame is like miles tall yep so i was torched her face off it was hilarious but yes i made it very clear that i had no idea what i was doing but made it in the show just fine um that's what matters there were maybe 50 people at this show really oh my god 50 people and they had like a free they had a food buffet set up front like right by the stage they had people giving massages like it was the weirdest random show going on it no idea what's happening but like you know maybe 15 to 20 people were like really into the show yeah so like you know i was like front stage just standing there watching the show yeah you know talk to jimbo when he was in line for the buffet and it was total cool but just like standing there in front of jim heath while he was playing guitar for this show um and not being like pushed in the back or whatever and their shows usually aren't insane but the worst that happens at their shows usually are you get stuck behind a guy with a giant cowboy hat but yeah yeah i definitely um i'm just i'm just trying to think back of like when i saw them a few months ago they had a lot of guests come out so there was like a full stage because there were all kinds of people like they played for like two and a half hours oh because that was that was horton tay ride right yeah okay so that was a different experience i've never experienced a giant party and like i i got it was in long beach like i got stuck in traffic i also got lost because it was like in a shipping yard and i'm very bad at directions and then the parking lot was full i had to park like three miles away and then walk and it's just like what is happening right now but it was in a parking lot um with just food tracks everywhere and like i can't imagine anybody could ever go to a show like that and just not be dancing the entire time yeah like that's the best part i was just like this is just so fun and happy yeah it was so good and i'm just like trying to i'm just trying to think of like yeah how big the sound was with not that many people on stage because i wasn't i i didn't try to like push my way up super close i just sort of like enjoying kind of bouncing around the back of myself um i love him so much that you know one of my uh dream purchases that you know i like buying toys and stuff and one of my dream purchases that's always been on my list is he has a uh a signature gretz guitar and i've always wanted to get the reverend horton heat the jim heath version gretz guitar but certainly a trip to watch yeah so i like that our takeaway message from this was that shows are awesome well yeah we yeah obviously we are team obvious yes for sure and speaking of obvious amy the beer is gone oh no the beer is gone i'm sad so that unfortunately means that the show's over that means our ranting is over so so fortunately for listeners but bad for us i guess well we'll just have to do it again yeah i think so yeah get it again that's a good plan well um thanks for hanging out with us guys hope you had as much fun as we did um if you have any suggestions for topics you'd like us to discuss or beers you would like us to drink feel free to send those are away we always like those um how can you do that well i was gonna say also let us know because we're gonna put this up on youtube as well let us know in the comments who you would consider a legend of any of the topics that are this podcast your your music legends your space legend is your pet a legend and why i would like a story to qualify it um yeah i would really like to hear that yeah i would like to hear that stuff too so yeah let us know that stuff in the comments and yeah of course things you should talk about beers you should drink all of that stuff um yeah if you would like to find more about each of us i think the best place to find me is probably on twitter for this for this sake um yeah i am ast vintage space and jason you are i am acentric that's a c e c e n t r i c all right well i think that's about it yep out of beer out of time thanks for hanging out friends and we'll do it again soon cheers cheers