 Yeah. Oh my God. Buckle up, buckaroos. Hold on to your butt seats. But but seats. But yeah. Hold on to your butts. You can feel the best growth of my little. Revere, they say a reference to my little pony. Yeah, probably. They lots of things. Is that a sex thing? Probably. I don't even know. I literally come out of that fucking line. I know that. Is that a still guy? At least release episodes of that. I think so. Now, I have friends who are bronies. I know that the tattoos on their butts. Oh, no, they are. They are cutie marks is what they're called. Oh, I thought you meant your friends got tattoos of my little. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. They they like they're not like crazy, but they're just they're, you know. At least I do. They were bronies. They I guess they sort of are. But I guess that has a lot of connotation. They they enjoy some things about the show. I it's not for me. All right. It's not my thing. I'm into my own weird shit. Exactly. And we I don't need to. I don't need to pile it on into the weird. It's weird to be into the MCU at this point. All right. I mean, I wouldn't call it. We're into it. Phase four has been desperately telling us to stop watching. Like, come on, please. Like, we actually don't want to do these anymore. Can you just fuck off? But just keep getting money because it's still worth it. So, you know, there's another one. Here's another one. The journey, if you think about it, because one division. We were here for the one division coverage. Lauren, I can't remember. You know, you were there for Falcon and Winter Soldier. That was fucking. Yeah, one was. See, that's when that's when I cared more because that was that was like, OK, that was a bad show. Oh, that was bad show, too. That was before we knew with like absolute certainty. Everything was going to be bad. It was like, OK, anytime now, we're going to get something good. Like it's going to happen. It's like, no, that one isn't it. I want to tell me two years later. Was it was it? I know that with Loki, it only took like, I don't know, like a minute before it was like, oh, hi. Because with one division, it was some it was some number of episodes. And Falcon and Winter Soldier, by the end of episode one, it's like, and with Loki, it was like five minutes and it's like, oh, it's over. It's all right. It's all right. It's already done. And then I think Black Widow came out. It's like, wow, so that's just like that's just what it's going to be, isn't it? Like a pretty consistent quality, not good. It's been it's been kind of remarkable, hasn't it? Yeah, like how consistently the storytelling is has been bungled in fact. It has been interesting. You think that on average, like a good one would slip in somehow because how many was there a bit like 10 movies and similar number of TV? I think that might have legitimately been like 15 or 16 projects. I'm really sure there's nothing good in there. It's great. Like no way home is the only one. And even that one's got tons of problems. Yeah. Like it's been a disaster. And phase five and six. I don't see why anything would change just because they arbitrarily decided to end the phase here when originally the plan was stuff like fantastic for and everything. We're going to be part of it. And I mean, like it's a building up to like a multiverse target. I don't feel like we've really made much progress at all. All that's happened is everything's been destroyed as a consequence of opening up the multiverse and time travel and everything. Apparently, the TVA is going to be in Deadpool three, by the way. So no, why would you do that? What's the purpose? Maybe that's how they're going to try and get Wolverine in. Maybe there'll be some time travel in that. We don't need the TVA for that. Jackman's ass alone. Shit. He's old. You know, in fact, he and Ryan Reynolds are hanging out, playing fucking PlayStation or some shit. He was like, come on, dude, come back. I'm playing Axe first play. Oh, wait, is that is that single player or multiplayer? It doesn't matter. They can do a hot seat. That's right. Well, remember, hot seat. You know, like, come on. Mauler, we might have to explain to our young zoomer audience what hot means. I mean, isn't it that intuitive? Maybe it isn't. Well, it is. It sort of is. When you explain to someone what it means, they're like, oh, I understand why it's called that, absolutely. But you might not intuitively think what hot seat means. It you might think that the hot seat would be like like a seat at a what is it called where the law have a courtroom in hell, right, where you have well, I guess all that maybe, maybe. I think there's a version of who wants to be a millionaire in Australia that's called the hot seat. I think where it's like you got six people and they if you're nervous or exciting or there's a lot of pressure on you then where you are might be the hot seat, you know, right? I want to test it. I'm 30 and I don't know what it is. How did you? Oh, wow. Really? Are you an actual game? That's legitimately surprising. Well, I will say I know what you're talking about, but I never called it that it was just called sharing video games. Like, oh, no, no, oh, well, it was a setting. It was a setting in a lot of video games. Yeah. You haven't played any games with a hot seat. I mean, if they have the hot setting, I didn't realize that like, give me an example. Doubleization. Worms. No, I didn't play those ones then. Yeah. Well, the for those not in the know, right, the hot seat in gaming is when it is a game where only one player is doing their turn. And so the idea of a hot seat is you you sit down in the chair in front of the computer or whatever and you do your turn. Then what's the other person's turn? You get up and the other person sits in the chair and they do their turn. Thus, you have to go sit in the cold seat. Oh, yeah. So if you're playing civilization, you know, it's it's Bob's turn. Bob does his turn in the seat and then he gets up from the seat and then Jim Jim does his turn, you know, or worms. That's a hot seat. And that would be a mode that you'd put in if it was essentially multiple people playing on the same system. It was one at a time. The game setting would be you said it's a hot seat. And that's what it meant. So it would swap to different players. And in games like civilization or whatnot, there would be kind of built in almost like there would be a darkness screen so that when you ended your turn, the screen would go dark and it said player ready, you know, press when ready so that if you wanted to, you could essentially shield your your screen from the other person because there'd be a black screen in between that you'd have to click through so that you didn't essentially screen peak. There you go. Yeah, that's what I mean. That would that was just, I don't know, it's like video games and it's like, all right, your turn. I didn't know it was a feature in some games. Oh, yeah. It was just a multiplayer mode. What's weird is to look back and know that there was an era where co-op campaign had its day, you know? Well, because I was I was going to actually sec the winter update for our Halo Infinite is out. I haven't played it yet. That's the one that has campaign co-op but only online. Only online. Because they cut the split screen and then people somehow managed to find it working. Yeah, they managed to make it work and like split screen. That is infinitely fucking funny when it's like, we're not going to do that because we just got knocked on the time, but then a fucking fan is like, yeah, let me just yeah, there you go. Yeah, just change it when it works. Just do everyone a favor and take it from me. I don't even want anything. Like I did it for you. You don't need any more resources. Just put it in your fucking game you morons. And that's a winter. Oh man. You just so like before the winter update came out, there were points where Halo Infinite nearly had less than 1,000 players, current players on Steam. It's gone up to a peak of about 12,000 and hasn't gone high. It's like 10,000 now. It's like 8,000 like 10,000. Yeah. So dude, this is Halo, man. Like this used to be the biggest game in the world. What the fuck? What's the Master Chief collection looking looking at player wise, you know, I legitimately think the Master Chief. Yeah. Like the Master Chief collection had more players than Halo Infinite for a good while there. Yeah. It's all the games that's audible. Yeah. Exactly. I will probably check that out because the winter update has got the Forge beta beta, man. It's great. It's probably going to be a really good like feature set. Like, yeah, it's really cool. It's just but if it was out at launch, you know, like if it was there at the beginning and then you have people making these custom games and custom modes and custom maps, how like that would have that would have done you so many favors in terms of retaining the play base. They can make the content for you like if there was anything that you should have had at launch, it should have been Forge. I remember it was a big deal when Forge came out a month later for Halo 5 where the game came out and then Forge came out a month later, a year later it's in beta. Oh, you need to make you when your game is made it needs to be like feature complete. Like we've seen this time and time and time again. It really does need to be we're in we're in the the rows of Addy or in the live service. I don't know if it was for Spencer or someone Xbox was like, yeah, no, we tripped up at the finish line with Halo Infinite. It's like, yeah, I know you you did. Um, but you're going to do it again. I know you will. You've done it so many times now like every single time like every Halo game has come out. There's been some problem. I mean, MCC like fuck MCC. I bought an Xbox one to get play MCC and then didn't work and that was that was like the beginning if I knew where I was going to go from that. There's just so fuck we used to we used to we're from an era where you could buy a game and you get the full game and it worked. It was like all on it was on a CD and you'd put the CD in your game box and it would just have all the things in it. I don't know. I think Mola knows this Modern Warfare 2 like if you buy the physical disc for like PlayStation I think it's like a 70 megabyte file that just pretty much. Yeah. So it's just like it's like a license on a CD basically. You still need to download it completely. Sure for media as a whole. That's yeah. That's that's the end guys. Like that's that's how you phase out physical media slowly. You you know what it even is. Well, I well I think the issue is that you can't put that much. I mean how much storage can you put on a CD? Well, I'm pretty sure of Blu-rays you can do like a triple layered thing that can get a huge amount of data on there. Like I think like because Ragnarok is probably like 90 gigabytes or something like that. And I'm pretty sure that I'm huge even if you need like let's say for example you got a 50 gig cap and it's a 100 gig game. They'll usually like 45 gig and then you download the rest sort of it. Yeah. Ragnarok is 91 gigs. They're just cutting out the middleman now and it's one Blu-ray. Your physical copies are worth balls. They didn't like it's not anything if it's just the code that gets you shipped. Yeah. Solid chat. We used to keep a CD on our belt, which was the style at the time. I appreciate that reference. And yeah, and I'm sure they can improve technology to have more space on discs, right? Blu-ray is not going to be the end of that technology. Yeah, I mean nowadays how good are like SD cards and things getting and little USBs? Yeah. I mean just put it on a USB. Put it on a big USB and put it not put that in the box and plug it in. Big USB. How why did I just I would just Google big USB. How much? Let's see. Big USB. Big US. It's just large capacity USB flash drives 512 gigabytes and up, you know, things like that. But yeah, I mean, if you can get a one terabyte, you know, USB like they get pretty funky. So if you need to do like SD cards like the DS or whatever it's ultimately not going to be it's just that they want to transition to digital because that's better from a profit standpoint. It will be. Yeah, you don't have to ship package deal with all then you just put 10 bucks on top because of more expensive. Now the mall. Games are more expensive. I mean, never mind the fact that we're marketing it to insanely more people now who will buy it. But you get it and also we've got post-launch monetization stuff that much less physical copies to produce data needs to cost you 700 hours of grinding. Otherwise, there is a float out. That's true. Now it's only the most only the most gorgeous and like intense intensely visual games costed that much. There would be an element of well, guys, you want really good graphics that might cost you more and I don't know. It's it's it's weird when like when everything's 70 I'll be like, no, this game doesn't need to be 70. It's just a little no stop it. No, this is this is what you wanted. And hey, if a Ragnarok if happens possibly very likely you'll finally get another gaming one. Everybody just got one for scorn that game. Yes. I do. That was fun. I was I was real good. I kind of exemplifies another set of problems industry has I suppose different way. But yes, Brinker may very well join us at any moment. You know, Black Panther. I think I'm pretty sure he loved it. But fantastic as did we. So I suppose that's that's the smoothest way I can transition us and we're going to talk about it now. The movie the end of phase four. It concludes portion of Marvel's history. This is the end of phase four. I did not know that you gathered that from the story. Right. In no way did I conclude that this was the end of a phase. No, I literally had no idea. Phase one ended with Avengers. Phase two ended with Age of Ultron or was it Ant-Man? Ant-Man. Right. This is a bit awkward. Yeah, but phase three ends with far from home. These are all like they're right after the what you'd expect to be the actual end. Well, the Avengers movie is really like the broads thing of the end here. But this one is not part of phase four anymore. No, the first Ant-Man was faced. Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania is now the beginning of phase five. It was part of phase four, but they changed their mind. Yeah, probably because there was a recognition that phase four has a bad reputation. I think that there's like, I think that the sentiment has generally set in. Why the fuck like phase four has been bad? As if like putting a lie before or after or whatever for any of these movies going to make any difference at all like, yeah, sure. Well, no, I don't think it'll mean anything. I because there's got there's just a problem with the way that like the films are being made like all the priorities from a writing standpoint. Like I don't know that changes. I don't know why anybody would expect that to change really. I am pessimistic about Marvel. Really? Oh, really? What? Oh, well, you know, like back to back really bad projects. I noticed that. Yeah. Some of the movies haven't been so great. Most of them. Yeah, we're not. We've had to think we it's been an interesting because like a lot of a lot of films in phase four projects in phase four have challenged our system of rating in terms of figuring out just how low a story can get while still being a story because it's been fascinating. The same vein is when I think it was father station. I want to say three or four or something. We were trying to get a way to lower his score and he was like, I can't lower it because they're they can get so much worse. Okay, fair enough. Well, I mean, at this point, it's getting tough to figure out because I mean low key multiverse of madness. Yeah, probably thought as well. And she whole cruel, like kind of challenging the how low can you go? In terms of writing, they each found a way to break. Yeah. Listen, we're going to this time around. We're trying to combine our minds in terms of recanting the plot because this one not much time was given for really letting it settle in for rewatches, you know, as you would do with any fantastic phase. All right, listen, you know, I'm going to level with you chat. It's really tough to give a shit. About Wakanda forever. It's really tough. Well, Wakanda forever doesn't give a shit about Wakanda forever for the most part. That's true. And as long as it's agreed that nobody cares, at least we're sort of on. There's an understanding going on. I mean, I care, but not in a good way. Oh, no. I'm sure we'll find out about that as we go on. But yeah, I suppose we get started. This wonderful story. Picking off, of course. So we want to. Is there a stage like, oh, we could do that, I guess. I suppose why? I haven't got a lot to say on the general. That's part of it, right? The general feelings is a lot. And then we can talk about the actual film. All right. Why don't we go right to right to left? Oh, we did that last time. We did do that last time. Yeah. Yeah, right. That means you're up, Pringie. Oh, it doesn't. Okay. Have to write the rule of EFAP is that we have to not do that again. We have to alternate. Yeah. Oh, yeah, fair. You have to give rags time to kind of survey the field of answers so that he knows what it's safe to say when he has his incredible controversial opinions. Yeah. When I say Wakanda Forever is brilliant and it was a triumph of storytelling, then I got to know if it's okay to say that or not. Well, I yeah, Black Panther Wakanda Forever is bad. And so it's kind of like a fitting conclusion to phase four. I I would basically say that like it just suffers from a lot of the same problems as like the other films in phase four have like the plot is incredibly incoherent thematically. It's confused character is like mixed or like seriously compromised at times and the world building is like a disaster. That's basically the TL. They are the only like you have the beginning in the end, which of course we're talking about a bit more like the opening and closing scenes, which in a certain sense feel very disconnected from the like the film itself that was made. That I like like those parts I appreciated like in terms of like the eulogy to Chadwick Boseman. But like that's basically it like the actual like film itself like the part in the middle like the main plot beats is like pretty poorly written. Yeah. That's the that's the TL. All right. A long bone. How did you feel about the movie? It's a sluggish uneven grief baiting piece of shit. Basically the fact the fact that this movie exists. I don't really appreciate because with the actors you can't even appreciate their performances when they're grieving over this character because it's like it's coming from a very real place for these actors because they you know they've said as much and like you're Marvel is exploiting that for its emotional center for the film. And I just think it's a little unethical and that by itself just completely destroys this film because they start the fucking movie with him dying and we don't even see him. But like everyone thinks focused on everyone grieving about it. It's just it's very icky film not to mention like yeah the dialogue in the plot is all over the place not a good movie sucks. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well enough my main feelings of dismay for this film came from reminding me of how much I found the first one so fucking annoying everything to do with Wakanda as as a as a an entity in this world every decision they make everything's a part of the population how they react to and engage with the world and then knowing all of that how they behave how they how better they consider themselves than everyone else it absolutely is beyond frustrating and it's so funny to see them get annihilated by some fish people like it just is so shit. So I was just reminded of all the stuff that I take issue with in the in the first movie then of course you've got all of your normal stuff being that there's shit tons of plot holes and stretches is this absolute nonsense power levels introducing characters so fast that we have no idea like what they even doing here they don't usually have any idea what they're doing here we got so many reflections of all the other movies in the phase for lineup and yeah it's half of the movie I went through and I had I still I wasn't quite realizing what why we were even here what what was the big deal and I'm going to get into it but the plot in this fucking retarded the villains motivation is so on stupid and every decision everyone's making just a classic idiots everywhere and damaging all these amazing resources and playing at will building and if there was a theme I can only spot random pieces of different ones I have no idea what the hell this movie not very good. I give it a thumbs down for you metal. I have to move it fucking far. Wow. I didn't think usually would be that fast. You could have gone. Yeah, that movie had a hard that movie would have had a hard time anyway for me because I didn't intend to watch it and I was like I guess I decided to do this media stuff online so I kind of have a duplication to them. It's like hey what a joint is like fine. I guess I got to go watch it. Obviously as people know we've been playing Ragnarok so I had to stop playing that game so I can go watch that movie. So yeah, I didn't even think about that aspect that you guys are playing Ragnarok and so you had to and that's why I gave up an opportunity to actually like stream and play it. So I had my whole day of work right after that to go watch Black Panther and I was like God I just don't want to. I just want to play God of War. But yeah, I was sitting in the cinema and same with as Molly already said like we went for the first I was like what are we even doing like we have fish people they get some girl from a school and then they have an action scene and then they get abducted I don't know and then they fight a bit and then it's over and people die but nobody cares. Sounds really compelling. It's also the most PG fights as well like people get stabbed and there's no blood. No blood at all. Like you get to know from Marvel stuff like oh look how stabbed I got but there's nothing no blood nothing stabbed I got. I am so stabbed now kill longer like slit some ladies throat and it's like there's no blood or anything. It's like that looks so awkward. Yeah. Why would you yeah. Oh, the CG of this film. Oh, this film costs $250 million. Oh Jesus Christ. Yeah, see I can I at the same time I can see it and I can't see it. I can see how this thing. Yeah, I could I see where the money went but boy it was bad. Yeah, then all these characters is like who's that who's that I had a hard time anyway because I have never watched the first Black Panther so I didn't know the characters anyway except from occasional things where you saw them in other movies. It's like who's that why is she infiltrating someone I don't even know who you are but that's that's the problem for me obviously I guess if you you watch the other ones that the other one you probably have a better time recognizing them I was just like I don't know who you are and yeah. And then the end they have a draw basically I don't know I wouldn't consider it a win for anyone and then the movie ends and I was like great I'm gonna go home and play God of War. I was so apathetic to the movie I had no thoughts I didn't write anything down when I came back home I was like I don't I really don't care that the whole Jerry Boseman thing in the or T'Challa thing in the beginning is like oh that's I guess yeah that makes sense but then it just gets mentioned all the time and I was like do we need it to just like all it's all for the movie. It's really weird. They also They they kind of put you into like a one minute of silence after the the Burial scene. Do you guys know this that like sound goes away completely and they have like this Marvel thing that only has to tell I'm just like is that is that by the design. It was so you could mourn that very excellent character. Yeah, people were clearly mourning with their nacho chips crunching in the background. Also, I like how he's called her Muriel. We called who what I'm not even following Miriam instead is he he called the the Queen Muriel. No, it's a Burial scene. Oh, are they calling me? I thought that was a clever rings of power reference. No, no, no. But yeah, I don't know. I really didn't care about that movie. So there you go. That's my you're saying Burial a burial happening. Yes, right? Because he's German. Oh, OK. I like how we all get to misunderstand him in those I was as you know, people say that's Rags Biden. It's like that's not Rags Biden. Who says Burial? What is that? Yeah, that is you taking the crack. Damn, I know you're right there. I'm just like Burial. What? Yeah, I had to wait until the other people pointed out you coward. Yeah. Yeah. So what's Burial? I thought he meant I was a little bit getting that just like that's what I was doing. What would they would have in the back? Well, I was just like Burial, Burial. What? Where did that? Where did you really went? That kind of I thought that he was being I thought I thought that maybe I'm my mistake was I thought that metal was being really clever by calling her Muriel like the rings of power Queen Lady. And so that you know, are you sad? Yeah. Are you sad about this character? And sometimes I just remind it's my second language. OK, fuck off. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, it's my thousandth language. I actually know all of them. I just don't speak them because everyone in this everyone here knows all the languages. Mm hmm. All of them. The movie knows all the languages. Oh, yeah. Oh, they do. They do. Every time there's a new one. I download it. I guess that's now Wags. Lucky lost. Oh, yes. That's how I feel. I do feel lucky. All right. Wakanda Forever is a very, very terrible film that has very little to say has virtually nothing in the work of meaningful character development. And it has a confusing plot that has the audacity to go on for two hours and 41 fucking minutes. It is a slog of a film. It is boring and it makes you weary as you watch it. Yes, there are massive stretches of not really anything happening whatsoever. The plot developments are it's really weird for a movie that's over two and a half hours. Important plot elements are set up and closed with incredible speed at times. There is a sense that I guess I'm just like you get weary and tired when you watch this movie. It's so long and so little happens. Honestly, I think that it's just it's just a mess. It's a huge mess. Unironically, I think that the only I didn't care for it myself, but the only things that you could even say are were meaningful in it was the Chadwick Boseman stuff, you know, the Black Panther dying and the funeral sequences. I didn't care for them in the way that they were presented myself, but they are so they seem so separated from the rest of the film as these strange bookends where you have like, OK, funeral sequence, OK, remembrance bit at the end, and then there's this two and a half hours of shit in between those bookends. And it was like the two and a half hours in the middle is like the Marvel movie that is easier to market and has the big bombastic action scenes and the crazy like plot stuff. Yeah, like it's like there's these brief moments where it kind of gets to not be that. And then you've just got a bunch of like Marvel. Yeah, like pretty pretty like not dissimilar from like what has been standard in terms of like the Marvel movie formula. I don't know why anybody would think that it's like radically different. It's very it's very bad. There's virtually nothing of value to be found here. It looks bad. The script is horrific. There's a couple good actors, I guess the Wakanda Queen and Martin Freeman. I don't know if anyone else would even like. Yeah. I it's a movie called Wakanda Forever. And I don't really feel like that's a good title for the movie because you don't get the that vibe. You know, it's it's. I don't know. Maybe it's me. It here I hate Wakanda, right? Wakanda is full of horrible, terrible, awful people. They're a cruel, barbaric dictatorship, virtually an ethno state. They're racist. They're xenophobic. They're just a horrible, horrible, horrible country. And I hate them. So getting me to really want to see Wakanda do well is a big ask. That I don't think that this movie is able to accomplish. I was glad when it was over and some of the some of the ads were funny. But that's a different story. I meant to mention the editing as well. Yes, you're right. The sudden cuts when scenes. Yes, and there's this is several films got butchered in this. Like like one scene in particular where it's especially bad. I think I know exactly what. Yeah. Namor is Namor's backstory. It's bad. It's horrible. Funny enough, funny enough, the one for me was the one with Elaine, like the scene with her and Ross, or just like very abruptly cuts off. She gets the handcuffs. It's like what happened there? It's like it just immediately. It keeps doing it. In a sense. I don't know what happened. The editors don't know how to pace out endings of scenes. The one that really triggered me and I think rags were similar was the queen walks into a room and she's the thing. The AI is like, you know, hi, but she's like, can you track the bracelet things? They'd be what it's like. Yes, done. It happens a lot where if you would imagine that every actor after they deliver their lines just burst out laughing. And so they had to cut it to where once the line was done, there was just no time for that laugh to show up in the film. That's kind of what it feels like. Well, maybe that they'd recorded several visions of this film or something and then they were like, oh, this scene doesn't work now because we don't have that plot line going to chop is around. I could imagine. I get the impression that the film like just it particularly because of how thematically confused the film is. Yeah, I can totally believe that like they weren't sure what it was meant to be. And they were figuring that out even like well into the editing process of like how to even bring it all together. Yeah, and then the other thing I was going to mention is they had an idea in this film that is so like I don't think it matters to the ideas of the film overall, but like that is specifically an editing idea, which is to do parallels a lot and they just come in randomly. What off the top of my head is two people get resuscitated at the same time. And the safe example you're about to charge up like a one of my blanking on the machine to fibrillator. You're about to like it'll like cut to the other person having it done. It'll cut back to the other person when they recover from it. Like it is just like see it's happening. So they had someone get kicked off a platform into water that they would like cut to someone else falling off into water. You're like, why? Why? Why do you think this helps you? I don't understand especially in that end fight they do that a lot. They go like it was like stop it. I don't know what's going on. This is weird new goal throughout the movie. It feels like such a the director was like, ain't that cool? You know, like, uh, no, it's not. But I'm not going to say anything like like this money I'm getting. It's like what a 12 year old thinks is cool and meaningful and very artistic. You know, it was just like, oh, okay. Yep. Okay. Yeah. That's similar to that. It is kind of distracting because you're instantly thinking, oh, they thought this was like cool and neat and clever. But it really isn't. Luckily, it gets you to not think about the plot for two seconds. Speaking of which, let's start the plot. Oh, let's, I mean, I guess we gotta. I have a plot. I have 10 minutes. Yeah. The kind people at home are waiting for us to explain what the hell happened. So much happens in this plot and nothing happens in this plot. Mm hmm. Like it's it's both seem to be somehow true. And things are happening, but nothing's happening. As for stage setting, you might think as someone who let's say, let's pretend there's a guy in there. Like, I haven't looked at anything of phase four stumbled across this channel. I don't care about Marvel, but what, you know, what is what is the history I need to know before understanding the plot of this movie? It's like the blip again. I think phase four was as obvious as they're going to get in terms of like, fuck the blip. All right. Just fuck off the snap. No one gives a shit. We move it on. Okay. So the infinity cones. Whoa. Yeah. That's that's I think that was the funeral for the snap. Yeah. Um, but yeah, you know, you don't really need to know much about that. Obviously, that was when died in real life. And so everyone was wondering how they would handle that plot wise. And so going in you. Terribly likely. Yeah, I was just saying that you'd likely know going in that we're going to be going to be dead. That's the decision they went with. You can go with a couple decisions. They didn't go with zombie talking or anything like that. So that's something, you know, um, what else would they even be the state of the like, um, well, cause I mean, the other one would have been if they recast to Charlo. Oh, no, sorry. I meant, what does they just say about the state on the stage? Cause they they choose that. Yeah. I guess, you know, they choose to have them die of an illness instead of something else. I guess. Yeah. Dying in a fight. Taking the bullet for someone. But the choice to have it be an illness is because Chadwick don't have the actor. Yeah. Um, well, it's just cause he died of an illness himself. That's probably why they did it. But I still, I got you. Yeah. That's I don't, I didn't like that. I think it feels to me like the way to go. Let's keep it to, let's keep it with the character and not try to bring in the real life shit. Cause they do it. They do it a couple of times. They reference Chadwick Boseman's real situation when he died. Oh, she said, oh, well, he suffered in silence. He didn't tell me. It's like with Chadwick Boseman, he kept his cancer secret from people. Like, why the fuck would you do? I don't even know that makes much sense because the people he would see to sort that problem out in universe just so happens to be his fucking like. Right. It's going to be found out basically. He's going to spread through the whole family. Right. They just put it in there because Chadwick Boseman, that's his situation. It's like, it's, it's just emotional pandering for the audience because they know they don't have anything else for this film. I guess the cause, one of the, cause we see it in the opening scene or at least part of it, one of the big like plot critical elements is that Shuri is attempting to recreate the hub that Kilmonger destroyed. The one that gives you black power is the belief that by creating that hub that we only do it to Charlie Romano. He destroyed all of them in that movie. That was so stupid. Bullshit. So now she's got to try and synthetically recreate one. And I guess in a sense, it is a little bit cause of course in real life, it was like, you know what I mean? Like, if you try to draw parallels between like this, this like society that doesn't exist with this incredible technology compared to the real world scenario. Yeah, I guess that's a little, yeah, I'm not sure what I think about that. Yeah. And it took her like five, six years to recreate that in the most advanced society that has a cure for cancer. I don't think so. Didn't she get, she got snapped too, right? Shuri, I think Shuri got snapped. The scientific team is there though. But yeah. Well, yeah, but I guess the, the film forgets that there's a scientific team. There's a whole about her. Like that forgets that there's also a big society filled with intelligent people in Wakanda who can work on these problems. Yeah. And I know in Chernobyl, the character, Chomuk, she's supposed to essentially represent many. Yeah. She represented all of the scientists and all the people who were sort of, you know, helping the thing. So they condensed that into a character who talked with, you know, ah, Russian names are hard to remember. But you know, she was a prominent character because of that. Well, yeah, this is the other people in the room that walk around. So they must know something. But yeah, I thought it was a, trying to remain as away from the matter as possible. It's like, that feels weird narratively that he was killed by a disease when you guys are like known for having solved like all medical issues. You have like hyper technology and. Yeah. You think if you didn't share it with anybody, you'd be really good at giving it to your own people. But I guess the steel man would be that maybe that was the, the point is like even with all of their technology and Shuri being super intelligent, even that wasn't, I think there was even a line where she said like that that wasn't enough. I think they also, I think they also say it's an unknown illness that I, that I catch that. I don't think they specify what it was. I know in one of the news things they say it is an undisclosed illness, but I don't know if they ever mentioned what kind of illness it is in Wakanda as well. I don't know. I don't know. The reason I bring it up is this, they are characterized almost in terms of a faction as being they've got hyper technology for both war and health. And then he dies via that because if he died via in the middle of a fight, it's likely going to be something pretty significant. He must have been fine off of Thanos level threat or something like that, which, which, you know, I can believe that even with Wakanda's technology it's got limits, but the health limits. I just like, wait, so it wouldn't have been like anything that we're familiar with, right? Because they've basically be all of it. It's not, it's, it's some super thing. And it's like, okay. Didn't he already have like that flower in his system anyway? That's why he has powers. Yeah. Yeah. That's actually what I was going to ask about. I don't understand why she's trying to construct, because you're right, that's what she's seemingly trying to create, but he already had flower. That is exactly what she was trying to create. She was trying to recreate the herb, but he already is imbued with the herb, so yeah, why would that, damn, yeah, why would that help? Another thing about the movie with some films, I was like, ah, so I've missed something then. When I'm like, wait, no, have I missed something? Is that just stupid? Hang on. Because I'm not sure. It seems like from you guys that, I guess that really was just stupid. Yeah. It's funny because I saw it's like, oh, that's how they do it? That's kind of stupid. Now you mentioned, oh yeah, he already has his blood. What is she even reassembling there? I think the only reason it exists is because they need the herb again. That's why they made Killmonger destroy them all, but they need the herb again, so that they can have a cat. Well, I couldn't just pretend that they didn't destroy it all. It was actually, it was a huge problem that the herbs exist at all without spreading them, at least through the king's guard, but also just fuck it. And the fact that they take it away from the retired Black Panthers, like that fucking Porta Chaka, who likely needs like any kind of physical boost when you reach like greater ages in life, and you're just like, nah, you're not allowed because they took it away from him. Yeah, he wouldn't have died had they not taken away. Fuck, I hate that face. Yeah, because it's, I don't know why you wouldn't, why doesn't the Dora Milaje also? Because like a thing that they keep talking about in the film is like, oh, you know, like people think that Wakanda is now vulnerable because they've lost its protector. It's like, I don't understand why you don't have more than one Black Panther or like just have other people who have... The only defense is it's the way that it is because it's the way that it is, that's it. Yeah, but like... I don't get it, like, I don't know, like the film, because as far as I understood in Civil War, it seemed that there was the king and then there was a Black Panther. They weren't one and the same. And then like in Black Panther, the film, they conflated those two things together, that the king is the Black Panther. And then in this film, I'm not sure that they figured out either, like exactly what it is. Yeah, it's getting lost the more we move away. It's getting confused, yeah. I guess getting back to the scene though, yeah, like Shuri's trying to create the hub, but T'Challa passed away. I thought it was good for like narrative, but it just feels awkward being critical of this, because I know that anyone would be like, wow, really, can't you just let it be what it is? And it's like, well, I mean, storytelling, I'm afraid, but they have like a AI that Shuri is basically in constant contact with and it'll tell her everything. Somehow the AI doesn't alert her that T'Challa's heart has stopped. It's the mother has to walk into the room and tell her. I was like, no, that thing would have been like heart slowing, danger, critical condition. He's dying, he's dying. It wouldn't be, oh yeah, he died, by the way. It's like fucking useless AI. Well, it needed to be somber, Mahler. It needed to be somber. It's obviously done. What kind of the thing is it's, yeah, like it's kind of difficult to get. Yeah. It's just trashy the whole thing. I'm sorry. I can't get on board with this shit. So I suppose the reason why I would disagree with that, I guess the reason why I would push back against that is like, I mean, Ryan Coogler would have been friends with him. A lot of the cast were friends with him. Like, I imagine that the intention on their part was to try and pay respect to the person that they knew, you know, like to pay respect to their friend. Maybe there was like some broader studio things, obviously, in terms of thinking about like how it's going to bottom line and box office and everything. But like, I mean, the people who worked on the film would have known him. I think it's a very unenviable position to be in terms of how to handle this. Definitely. Yeah, definitely. You could have given something a little bit more dignified and fight like dying in battle or something instead of just because there's I'm sure there's a reason he didn't want anyone to know about his cancer at first in the first place. So you might just like stick with what the character would have died of instead of the real person to say, yeah, he died in battle like fought hard and, you know, you know, he lost this. And that's that's if you really, really do want to kill off the character. I'm not even sure that because I find it difficult to find any of the correct decision is, but I know a lot of people feel that they should have gone for a request. There's no there's no great choice here because this choice means that you've now removed to Charler as a character. You can't do anything with him like for the things with that character anymore because he's gone from the story. But then if you recast people would have been upset about that. Some people would have anyway. The level of pressure on a new actor for that role would be. Of course. Yeah, exactly. And I say that knowing that he didn't play Black Panther for like a decade or anything but at the same time we have or you have Civil War Black Panther Infinity War Endgame Infinity War Endgame. It's surprising you may not realize it but yeah, I guess not like he was Black Panther for just the one movie or something. He worked his ass off to get it all done because he knew this was happening. Yeah. And that's the thing, I think he gained a lot of respect for a lot of people for his performance too and people bound him to Charler quite a bit. So yeah, it's complicated but yeah, the funeral scene is done as I'm guessing this would have been what Kugler thought was the best way to go. I'm not sure how I feel about it. I was curious to just listen to what other people thought really. Yeah, I didn't like it. Trapped in a hard place, I feel. I guess I can't. I won't be too harsh on him. It's not a good position to be in. Yeah, I think it's tough. It's tough to figure out what the best way is to go about doing it especially when at the end of the day they're still going to want you to make the big spectacle superhero movie. There's another sort of juxtaposition that's kind of gross. It's just like, you've got to have this sort of appreciation respect for an actor who's passed away while also having a shitty phase 4 Marvel movie bullshit that happens all the time. Yeah, I think we talked about it because there was the first trailer that was much more restrained and then the second one is like, ah, right, yes, because this is like your Marvel superhero movie with your big spectacle and fight scenes. It's why it feels like the beginning and the end just feels so detached from the story itself. They're like the two parts that exist sort of almost completely separated from the core story which is just more like MCU sludge superhero bad plotting like just a lot of the standard problems. Yeah, unless there's anything else we can move into the Council Senate, whatever scene. The funeral scene was kind of shit because it kept going back and forth between like the funeral is supposed to be like we're celebrating life instead of grieving death and supposed to be like joys and shit but then it goes back and forth between people happily dancing and then you have the actors and the Paul Bears crying and shit and it's like I don't think that's confused. I think that's fine, right? You can have it be that the objective or the intent is to try and celebrate life but nevertheless the people who are closest to him are deeply sad about it. Well, not confused, it's just like uneven. I don't know. I mean, I guess I like if you feel that way. Yeah, I'm not sure. I think I thought it was okay. And not to mention that really trash coffin that they beamed him up in a spaceship. I'm also not sure about fucking beaming him up. I don't know about that. It's like this carbonite coffin of Black Panther symbol doing the Wakanda Forever thing and I'm like, that's just tacky. It's tacky. When they carried it, it looked like super light. Yeah, all female Paul Bears and they all carried it with ease like it was made out of plastic. Get the fuck out of here. It was clearly empty. I feel like it's made of vibranium fleams and it floats actually. Isn't that the whole thing? Vibranium is super strong but it's light. Yeah, but it's a person in there. It's a man in there. It's a vibranium corpse. I just think it's okay. I think it's okay to criticize this shit because like I said, yeah, like, yeah, someone died and it's tragic, but like the way they are handling it is my fucking problem and I'm not really criticizing the director or anything. I'm criticizing the studio because if it were me, I would just like cancel the film until further notice, let everyone grieve, let everyone get their shit together and maybe just maybe try to recast it or like just come up with but no, it's just... I could actually genuinely see that that might have happened in real life that even maybe Ryan Cougill suggested to move the film. Yeah. No. Do you remember like that when they did that Disney, like that investor day thing when they were talking about all their Marvel stuff and then like he was talking about how Chadwick Bozeman had died and then it like transitioned into them talking about Black Panther 2? It's like, oh, that's like really awkward. I don't like that. I can imagine that because because I think he died near the end of 2020 and the film started shooting like in 2021. So I imagine that there wasn't much time at all. And I think the only reason the film got delayed was because all the films got delayed for like post-production stuff. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that Ryan Cougill has even said they were figuring out a plan for the film and it wasn't what this film is and they had to change obviously. Oh, definitely. You can see in this film that it's very unclear like what exactly their goal was like narratively. Sorry. I had to put that in there. Let's not pretend like Marvel gives a shit about people dying. Stan Lee's Twitter account got used after he died to market other shit. They don't give a fuck. Yeah. That was all. Cool. Yeah, Kevin Smith tweeted about how he's crying while watching Black Panther to be very certain about like every film. Like every movie. Why would you make a public spectacle out of that? I don't know. I don't know. Sit your saggy ass. That doesn't feel like a meme, doesn't it? That's weird. It does feel like a meme. Yeah. Yeah, because now the jumping into the plot it's the UN scene, the council scene where Ramon the queen of yeah Ramon Durst is there and several like I think it was France the United States is like yeah, what's going on? You said that you were going to share like vibranium with the world but nothing's come of that and it intercuts. I almost jumped the gun in terms of being angry at this film because these are issues I've had with Wakanda since their first movie and to know that the blip happened after they announced what Wakanda was going to do to help the rest of the world and the idea that they didn't come through on any of it is like close to what I'm assuming is happening and I'm just like oh you're already coming close to piss me off. I might pre-empt the way that all of us feel but this film has the same problem as the first film and that it wants to pretend that it's exploring meaningful political commentary or it has something meaningful to say by way of political commentary but it is totally unwilling to actually like do the work to like meaningfully have that conversation. It likes to opt for really shallow reductive and simplistic answers to complicated problems That much is clear. They had an emotional appeal but has nothing to do with what's happening here. Yeah, because I guess to like give a really broad summary we have an intercutting between we have this scene in the UN and there is like a Wakanda like outreach operation elsewhere where like they're doing work with vibranium and then a bunch of mercenaries come in to try and steal the vibranium but the Dora Milaje they're like a Koya and everybody and then they fight them with the spears, zap them stop them and then they get zapped and then they get brought before the UN like restrained, like apprehended arrested, put down and then like Ramonda is not killed but like they made a deal and then Ramonda basically makes the point like yeah we know that like you countries are trying to like you're hiring people you want to get vibranium and Ramonda basically makes the point the reason why we're not sharing vibranium is not because like you should be scared of what we would do with it but because we're scared of what you will do with it that's essentially the claim there is so much to unpack there it's unbelievable It is absolutely unbelievable Very high and mighty We maybe begin with just making sure we're all on the same page in terms of the information and I believe this is the information that the rest of the world has vibranium One of the most impressive materials to ever exist on earth it leads to incredible advances both in weaponry and medicine and basically anything in industry you could imagine it's just going to have a revolutionary effect Wakanda have been known to exist now for some time, are we at six years, eight years, something like that? I think it would have been about maybe yeah like eight or nine years now since civil war so maybe like six or seven years since they would have announced themselves to the world and we know that they have access to vibranium that is like almost limitless it's an enormous reserve but they have decided that they are the arbiters of whether or not anyone can have that resource like okay I understand now it has been that long and the world is still suffering in all the ways that it does and what is Wakanda's response to this we don't trust you We are the good ones This is a situation where if I were like we had all this information like we need to consider war this is getting absolutely fucking absurd they're letting us like suffer while they have all the advancements in everything we have incredible power on our side we have the avengers we have all kinds of like they can't just say like we don't like you so you can suffer it's just like this is fucked they set it up to where okay we'll open up ourselves to the world we'll give you some of the stuff I have that was T'Challa's thing so like isn't his mother the queen going back on that and telling people to fuck off like it would have been good oh she's so grieved she's so distraught by her son's death that she's kind of like going back on what he wanted to do because like I said she's very upset and she's kind of like hating the world but they don't do that it's just kind of like a big flex for the character and for Wakanda they don't I don't think they it feels that way this is the badass you know we're you know we're not going to cooperate moment just had that energy well that's what they intercut with the thing where they're getting it stolen because they're like see like you guys are assholes and I'm just sitting here like yeah how many years has it been is this really unreasonable it reminds me of rings of power with the fucking dwarves are like you know you can't have the thing that will literally save your entire race and it's like wow we're going to take it then this is something that's worth like to for her to go we don't trust you to use vibranium when in black panther because you elect your head of state through trial by combat instead of an election that guy nearly started a war with the entire world leveraging vibranium and you're going to tell like the world that they can't be trusted with it like an awkward really went with the entire world because your king as selected through trial by combat was decided that he wanted to take over the world and remember he said he wanted to kill like people and their kids as well like that was kill mongers objective and you're going to tell the world they can't be trusted with vibranium have you totally forgotten that that happened we already have totally like it got stopped beforehand we've already had access to some forms of vibranium here and there throughout the world though and so like the idea that's like you know why can't they it's it's if you can't give us vibranium at least give us your medical secrets yeah god damn it this is unbelievable they likely have cured like diabetes or as many forms of cancer it absolutely like is that what the film is telling me that they haven't given this shit up yet that they're keeping it all to themselves because all of it comes from vibranium like that's what the movies argue is all of their advancements comes from that vibranium well it seems to me that way it's been one of my issues for a while in terms of world building as if what there's nothing about having a really really good metal that just will make you more scientifically advanced in terms of your knowledge and your medical prowess and things like that it's just it's a really really really good metal it could help with like engineering and mining and things of that nature but just because you have an advanced metal there's nothing about that that means you're going to be better at all the things it says they're better at um I guess the best that you could do is that if they hit stages earlier like in terms of technological advancement like if they got to those stages earlier it wasn't really like it's just the metal gave them a head start in a sense rather than the metal being like the source of all of that I just realized as well that that means the snap happens and then we're kind of just locked down look after themselves well I mean I mean it's it's it's it's kind of the awkward thing with Wakanda's history is like they didn't help ever like in any sort of global conflict or they had one king who finally says I will help and then he fucking got blipped and so they're like well never mind they were like oh thank god he got snapped it's just so awkward when she's there like lecturing it's like you don't help people you just stay like nice and comfy in your own country you're not even selling it and like you don't help anybody the only the only way that you engage in foreign affairs is by sending spies to other countries like that's that's the extent of foreign policy we can remember you don't help anybody because that was set up in Black Panther 1 right they have people everywhere in like high pieces of power or whatever they've got because he had a Kilmonga's dad Naki I think is one of the spies as well she's off in other countries so yeah they've definitely got people in other countries like that's only to gather information it's not to help anybody it's the great fucking meme where you have like the president and he's got these like wim tongues and like one of them is a well-carned person one of them's a fucking black widow from the other yeah yeah we got to remember a great cause in all of this every once in a while the TVA pop in to tell him what to do wrong decisions this this is why nobody votes that's why fucking matter because 16 different shadow organizations actually control the world yeah and those 16 are controlled by another 16 organizations it goes on it goes deep it goes real deep she just says no I want to fuck now so you can go get lost ultimately Jennifer Walters is in charge of all of it but it's fine the Kevin Feige bought the Kevin Feige bought repaired the bug so that she can't use it again that's what he said so she'll do it I toss mutually how dare you I think they would so she can't break the fourth wall again because they said it was a bug that she was able to do it she can't go out of it anymore apparently I think that was the idea did we talk about how he fixes the bug but then he lets her choices reign he doesn't change them it also means that the fact it happened once is the problem it's your ability to change the world it's the fact that we've canonically now in this universe that universe is just a bunch of stories in our real world it's so great anyway because the spot goes like yeah we have the perfect algorithm for movies and then she makes some suggestions okay we changed it all why? she knows better yep the guy who's speaking the French lady and then an old dude in this sort of talking to the queen the old dude his name is Richard Schiff and he's the one who voices Odin or Ragnarok also in our real world that poor guy that was a crazy coincidence because I've literally seen him in nothing for years that he pops up in two things at once I was like oh good yeah oh it's just I'm kind of like trying to think ahead in terms of I mean I'm happy to jump ahead in terms of Wakanda doesn't care about international law no they don't they don't give a fuck because this is jumping ahead they send Akoya and Shuri into America to go get Riri Williams and while they're there they get some fights with them essentially right because they tell her that she's going to get killed this is pretty there's a lot of directs going on here in terms of putting this all on her all at once they get into a fight with local law enforcement and it's like oh that's like an act of war like that's you can't be doing that but it gets dropped it's fine and it's like you just did that you didn't care like you just went to another country to abduct a citizen of that country and get to fights with people from that country and then of course there'll be like a much bigger thing later on in the film as well that'll be worth talking about in which movie that they say Wakanda has legislation everywhere sorry they said that they have jurisdiction wherever they go and then they attempt to murder Captain America oh god Wakanda is really bad. Wakanda is everything that Wakanda thinks that like America is I can't believe I forgot about like that yeah that's what Winter Falcon soldier that that'll ruin that made Wakanda even worse way worse well yeah because they express perspective of the people in the dormal larger that they can go wherever they want and do whatever they want which I thought we all agreed was like not good I thought we all agreed that like they call anyone they spot who's white a colonizer obviously being critical of the history of there having invaded and doing whatever they want with other people's countries and stuff like it's absolutely fucking weird that you just go wherever you want and kill people and simultaneously go to places and kill people but also you don't help anybody they leave everyone to die you can go to other countries to do whatever you want but never is it to be like actually helping them like it's just yeah it's they're the real villains but the film is insistent that they are not that they are the good country they're pure which is it's the objective of the scene I think is to be like yeah so Wakanda basically believe that they're the custodians of the vibranium and so it's their job to make sure that it doesn't fall into like the wrong hands and it's like I'm sorry we have nukes we have cybernetic crazy advanced space cosmos dark nukes we can kill everything if we want to give us a little stupid vibranium right like the idea that the vibranium is going to make it so that things are definitely going to get worse you see Ultron well he was made of vibranium actually well he was made of vibranium at the beginning he wasn't in the beginning yeah he doesn't have to be made of vibranium and of course Thanos of course I don't know maybe the world would be able to mount better defences against these extraterrestrial threats if they had more vibranium and she is willing to annihilate anybody as long as you have a bit better than her because of course we saw what happens right it's like you need to work together you can't be on your own here like doing all of these things and then succeeding against Thanos will be these big threats what could Wakanda have done with like the Eternals and the Celestial popping out of the planet you know they can't do anything with the TBA Scarlet Witch they can't do anything you could legit tell Scarlet Witch we'll drop all of your charges if you go into Wakanda and just snatch up some vibranium nobody can stop you she could literally just lift it up I'm sure because like that's her power I think it's like a big problem in terms of power scales as they seem to think Wakanda is like more powerful than it is like yeah vibranium is really cool and all but like when you're using spears and stuff in warfare instead of drones or like nuclear weapons or anything like that Guns is basic firearms tanks, no artillery it's such a joke there's no with everything that's going on vibranium is not going to tip the scale in terms of humans doing evil things like come the fuck on and is that weird wiping out of the good we can do just because you don't trust us it's like cool well I mean I mean it's kind of a parallel between between that attitude Wakanda and Tala Khan the underwater people which is like if we even think that there's a possibility that you might go to war with us we're gonna kill you we're jumping doing a great job with both these civilizations in terms of making me like them it's weird when you see them fighting each other and the film wants me to give a shit and I just like I just don't you guys deserve each other you absolutely deserve each other yeah well I don't know if I want to jump the gun and jump right into that it's a couple hours ahead the thing that stuck out to me during the conference scene is like they make it seem like it's only white western nations who want vibranium and it wouldn't be other nations like every fucking all the leaders of color are in the back just watching this happen but it's the only ones who are talking shit about Wakanda and asking Wakanda to take responsibility for the you know and deliver on their promise are fucking white nations it's not really I guess it's just like why can't the film like treat it a little bit more seriously in terms of like how it would actually happen like like trade agreements and whatnot like what kind of trade agreements or you know tariffs or anything or like any number of the instruments that would be like employed in terms of dealing with vibranium and figuring out how to use it and interactions like in margos yeah yeah that whole room would be lit up of people just yelling at this bitch like what gay where the fuck is the vibranium where the fuck is the vibranium vibranium exactly we had T'Challa being chill with like you know negotiations at the end of Black Panther that was a while before the snap happened I say a while I mean just relative at least in days weeks and months right like it wasn't like a snap the day after and then he came back and was like I guess in his brief time being alive once he was back he still didn't manage to help anyone like which doesn't doesn't follow because it seems there is a council but it seems like ultimately the king queen has the final say on everything oh dude I was actually they have exactly executive authority like total authority rather slight awareness from the there's a couple of lines here and there one of them actually appreciate was in this scene where it's just like guys aren't helping us this is kind of fucked like I just I just like oh god I agree I agree so fucking hard I wish you'd even because the scene itself is like nah actually you're wrong the Wakanda's are correct I don't have to agree with that what happened though because in the first film the point was that to charlotte said that they were wrong for turning their backs on the world well now that was the develop the position now it's that no no no he was right it's just that he didn't realize and he wouldn't now he's gone that you know we can't do these guys what does that have to do with the overall point the films making you know like resources going to the west slash the rest of the world and that they can't be trusted because they would they would hit people with it I think it's I think it's because they kind of changed right because the whole thing with telecon was that it's like it's the it's the they were a civilization that was the consequence of colonialism they have a perspective they have vibranium and they believe that they're going to be threatened to people find it that like it's it's meant to be like some sort of parallel right now that Wakanda is out in the world people want their vibranium which is odd right because everybody knew that vibranium came from Wakanda already genuinely they already knew that but nobody really did anything to get it I just I'm a little I'm tired like it's it's like you want our vibranium it's like yes yes I want your fucking vibranium you know why look at what you have this is incredible like where we've asked you for many years to help us out reasonably and you refuse yes we've used some under cover operations like we've had all about that trying to steal it from like she's like outraged that it's like you you guys using these special tactics right I think I would go as far as be like chat yes of course we're trying to fucking steal it from you assholes like it would we got we got a population to help I know you don't give a fuck especially in the wake of this nap and the blip where the Avengers without consulting any governments or anybody any preparation for that brought back half of the planet to a severely like under resourced world where none of the supply chains are in place nothing is ready to help these billions of people come back could it like just the fact that now in the world what it would be the most tumultuous time ever like in human history and you're still about doing anything to help why don't you share his goobradium with the will the goobradium you know what would have helped is because it would have put good use to Chala's death is that someone assassinated to Chala and then the queen is like you know what what I know when y'all did this shit so until I know like I know who did it until someone comes forward I'm dissolving all of our connections all our outreach and that would be in character like it would be very easy to believe she would make that just yeah absolutely disappointing you get five seconds of will building and it's horrendous the only ever play lip service to the idea of having a world just wish that I'm crashing the ceiling and be like where's the vibranium I'll go get it and then she's like you'll cannot do that and then he's like shut up it's kind of um where did uh where did they get the vibranium for the shield for captain america's shield don't know do we know where they got that from obviously claw had a shit ton of it but that was well yeah did any because I guess I'm because of course ultron came from well vision came from that vision was the consequence of that yeah and vision was like kind of well I mean he didn't get much time to help out making a positive impact on the world but he had the potential to make a hugely positive impact on the world worry small amount of vibranium relatively like all things considered a vision quest coming right we do that's right the vision show where he's going to go on his own little adventure great I guess I'm just trying to because it seems like in terms of the instances of the outside world getting access to vibranium one of them was captain america's shield which surely what condo would be like yeah that was probably a net positive like with all the stuff that captain america did a lot of it owing to his acumen with that shield that was a net positive and that was a very small amount of vibranium and then yeah vision work like I guess that could have been a catastrophe to be fair to them that could that was very close to being an absolute disaster but then there was also a vision that came out of it but that but again that was Tony operating on his own without any government oversight or like so how are you going to play everybody else for that I need to know line of logic like she provides several tons of this of vibranium what happens then she's like they make a vibranium rifle and then they shoot the core of the earth and we'll die okay I don't know why but that's a concern but like what what does she thinks gonna happen what what what is the worst thing that could happen that we can't already do well and surely what condo will always be like one step ahead because they have they've had the vibranium for ages like you don't need to give away everything you don't need to tell everybody like how to use it or give away all of your secrets and you may well be able to like because you have a monopoly on vibranium you may well be able to impose like really strict terms where it's like yeah you can have it and you can use it but you've got to like we need our Dora Milaje people there like we get oversight we get to see what you're doing you have a massive position of power you have all the vibranium well you actually don't have all the vibranium as we find out but like as far as the world is concerned you have it all like I don't know why the film treats it like it's all or nothing it's just opening the floodgates and giving vibranium to everybody you can give it to specific countries you can give the very specific terms under which they can use it you're always you've had it for so long that you understand it like intimately I don't know why the why it's taking such a simplistic view on it it wants to pretend that it has like something interesting to say in terms of like a political commentary but it's so shallow it didn't need to be no I mean you are kind of screwed over if you're right in anything at this point for this world because there's so much you have to fill in that's what they did to themselves still don't have to be this shit I have to be there you could have done better you could have done way better you could have addressed these things well as long as people follow what's happening here right like so there was an outpost for vibranium like mining or research and the western like armies of whatever tried to steal it and they got backed off and they were captured and they were paraded into this this nation's meeting to be like you know what you guys are up to stop it very bizarre because it's just like how did you how did you do that how are you allowed to do that is it not security when you well yeah when you got to the UN it's like yeah we've got our prisoners here we just bring it into the meeting they coming up to you okay I'm gonna signal you okay but like why the thing is why would a ragtag team of mercenaries be able to get into not only Wakanda but their outreach center and why in second question why the fuck is there vibranium in a outreach center well I guess that's their form of international co-operate but like if they would have any attention to give them vibranium though so why is it even in there right that would have been a country that wasn't Wakanda right that was somewhere else I'm pretty sure was it I think it was but like because it would have been like an outreach thing but like what is the nature of the outreach if nobody gets access to it do you just have bases like in other countries where you're working on vibranium but nobody's allowed inside so like what they weren't clear on the fact that it wasn't Wakanda they should have been clearer oh and by the way one of the guys starts shooting the machine gun whatever he's got at Akoye and she does like a spin with her spear and she deflects several bullets oh yes she does the Deadpool thing which Deadpool has super agility or super something right and they even hear the bullets go through like in the in his movie also he was in point blank range so I don't even know how to fuck he missed it but like they've forgotten the Dora Milaje are not super they are normal people who have training they are not super at all use with everybody the funny thing is they didn't need to have a blocker they could have had a torso armor and bounced off because it's vibranium I thought it was cool it's so stupid they just want everybody to be everything everyone has all the powers everybody and they're using their spears but these ones are zappy spears they turn them they put the setting to stun you'll never be able to convince me it's like that lady from batwoman with the what even do you call it the weapon where it's a stick and then two very small chains on either end with a like a mace thing but it's just like yeah I don't care how much you try to edit it so it's useful it's stupid shit get a gun I don't know like do they think that's like it's a spear it's a sharp stick I don't think they know that I think they think that it's just like this it's like Thor's hammer but they treat it like it's like the Asgardian weapons where they're all magically infused you don't have trouble with that do you it's just like yeah no that's not the same thing they have tech they can make guns I don't well anyway what we see next is that the CIA is out in the Atlantic Ocean they have access to some piece of technology that allows them to scan for vibranium and they found some in the Atlantic Ocean so before we go anywhere first thought has Wakanda never tried doing that before like figuring out if they're vibranium elsewhere in the world because if so I guess they just assume that there isn't why though I mean that's why they're arrogant I don't know I guess they think that no one else really has it I guess they have a little bit somehow but it's all here maybe it only comes from the place I believe there was a line in the film where they were like oh well that means that the story of like the meteor that imbued all the land with like vibranium and everything that's not true or like it was omitting certain things and it's like well sure but like even if that story existed might it be worth at least knowing for sure like I don't know if vibranium elsewhere on the planet like cause obviously the implication would be that because the world doesn't have access to vibranium they're gonna try and find it themselves hence they found it how would they find it without a vibranium detector of which no one can make except one girl how does that come about that somebody decides to make a vibranium detector well I can explain that when you're in high school slash college whatever sometimes they come up with little fun projects for science where they're like make a thing and then you make a vibranium detector as you do without vibranium detector and then you sell it to the CIA like the CIA doesn't just take it and give you money but they have a copy of it but they don't know how to make anymore of it which would be securing the most important thing it would be the actual schematics they'd be like yeah working prototype is like amazing but give us the schematics this is really important this like this is legitimately like a very important national security is there any reason to believe that they don't have the schematics to just make another one we assume that they do until the film is like nah they don't because of course you'd assume they do he's the only one who knows how to do it even with they didn't know how the machine worked even then they got it off that's how amazing it is of all the things to make randomly a vibranium detector I was gonna ask you guys if I missed something why the fuck did we're a little ahead we gotta roll back the thing is she said oh my teacher said I'd never be able to do it that's why I did it it's like bitch we're talking about to help people who might be confused Rui Rui Williams university student built the vibranium detector and then gave it to the CIA they're gonna be like man with how badly you guys have explained it you've made me think that she just did it randomly it's like she kinda did she did it randomly it almost seems like she's it was apparently in a couple of months like no problem it's like oh okay you're just the best aren't you well she didn't build her first machine when she was three they say younger than Tony Stark no she probably built her in the womb she was fucking around with it why not I built a new womb inside my mother's womb that's how bad it is this one better somehow it's more roomy roomy cd changer bluetooth they're out in the middle of the atlantic ocean and they've used their scanner and so they send two of their people down to find the vibranium and yeah there was a vibranium like down what's that well I was gonna say don't I mean you've technically haven't gone there but this is kind of like a horror scene I know well yes that's uh essentially they're in the bottom of the ocean and they are like oh yeah vibranium cool but then one of the underwater people he's not there he's just like kinda disappeared and there's like audio problems while they're talking to the guys on the ship like up above and then all of the audio sort of like disappears it's like oh no what's happening all the audio is cutting and then there's like a weird siren song and all of the people on the ship like go catatonic and just walk off the boat to their deaths like jumping into the water yeah um it's like okay and then like the CIA lady and this other guy they like come out with earplugs in and they stop one of their guys from walking off and then bluefish people jump out like jump out of the water and throw a spirit at the guy and kill him not her though not yet she's still got a little bit of time left so yeah there's fish people like blue underwater sea people who are on the ship like trying to kill everybody people of the sea not avatar people different thing they're like they're human beings this is not avatar 2 the way of water not yet we're not there and so CIA lady runs to a helicopter she gets on and the blue people are trying to bring down the helicopter they're narrowly escaping and it's like okay you gotta let them know we were attacked but unfortunately their helicopter gets grabbed and tossed into the ocean by a man flying in the sky with wings on his ankles it doesn't look silly at all why would you even imply that Fringy I can't believe you've done that I just said that he's got wings on his feet that's all confusing his commentary with all of his personal feelings I'm trying to be objective here Fringy so I guess we'll jump ahead a little bit in terms of explaining what actually happened there so what happened is they used their scanner to find a vibranium but the vibranium is in the domain of telecon which is an underwater civilization I kept calling it Atlantis cause I have no fucking clue what's going on anymore whatever I called them as landians cause I have no what else if that helped that's yeah so what we basically come to understand about them I will jump the gun here cause I think it just helps they have access to vibranium there was another comet and it landed in the Yucatan peninsula near that area and they're the underwater civilization they have vibranium and they are concerned that people are like looking for vibranium in their territory because they want to remain like secret so in response to these people looking for this vibranium they killed them all obviously as you do so I guess it's worth pointing out well we could save that for when Namor talks about it that's basically that's what happens there are a bunch of dead CIA agents US citizens out in the middle of the ocean and that's like our big inciting incident that's going to be the huge plot point of the film that starts it all up I found the scene really silly at points though like the silent song thing was really weird it was weird I think it's strange to have all of this new faction and clearly their big thing is they're watery people they have lots of water related cool stuff and it's like also they can sing a song or whatever that makes you kill yourself it's like oh how did they learn they had that like legitimately how did you learn you can do that would that work on that is he would just grimace and not be affected why would that work have they tried that on people before have they just killed the innocent people well why do they have a military we'll get into the world building of not Atlantis later but learning that and then looking at all the things they do you do wonder like how do you know you could even do this because it doesn't do anything to your own people because you're doing it and it's not affecting you but it's weird that you just know that you can do that they were doing the mermaid siren song but it's like but they're people though like you know what I mean like they're people they just live on the water when did they learn that there was a harmony that they could sing that would make people jump off of ships to their deaths it just makes you mind drift to how many of you killed how many people have you tested this shit on well as time progresses we'll come to understand the nature of telecom the way that they operated this world oh no the thing after that is okay I'll do the I'll do that I set up for this so chat you remember how dumb Wakanda was with this this all feels like old criticism coming back because we just never had to think about it like beyond where it's mentioned of course but the shield how it works how many people probably died how it how nonsense it is how it cloaks anything whatever fine when we see them in Black Panther one it's like a honeycomb sort of like dynamic I think one of the one of the combs sort of like turns off the ship goes in turns back on simple as that likely done through you know communication technology some tower with a bunch of people working in it like make sure which ships are coming in going out all your normal stuff they are they changed it up at this one different reason for how how the shield opens if you remember an infinity wall they actually coordinate it with just talking to each other like open I think he gives these like section 3a or some shit like that you know just something normal you'd expect so there the is flying in and we see this like little station by the way I found this out on fucking Friday night tights I couldn't fucking believe this shit if you look at the station they're at I think it's supposed to be like a DJ table it looks very similar to a dj table now that you mention it loading it has like floating like marble stone metal whatever some tray this up and buttons that oh my god it does look like it looks like you can record an album there yes what the fuck these drums covered in water it's very very silly that's what happens they feed on it and the force field opens so that they can go home the people who made this movie are not racist I can't fucking believe I just it's nonsense for so many reasons but like what I guess one of the fundamentals is why the hell would you bind the opening of your killer shield with bouncing tapping of water what the fuck instead of just like a button that you press that just opens the shield you could have killed a coyee if it fucks up the beat it doesn't matter what song they use or it's like a random beat like what he was doing oh shit what oh god was that three fourths time or five eighths oh god oh no they took it and made it worse they took it and made it worse uh I cringe out of my fucking I didn't see in that shit what the hell anyway so we're in Wakanda now woohoo well yeah cause that's uh that's um Ramonda and a coyee going going home to see what's happening there and sure it is hard at work she's just working on science projects and stuff science the implication obviously being that she's very fixated on work to the to the exclusion of a lot of other things that she should be doing including grieving um she's still doing the research on the herb but she hasn't really made any progress um that's that's basically I'm not I'm not sure what else is like of much note in that scene but this is the problem we're gonna have is the it's like it's hard to remember the first half of the movie in terms of like events it's a blur oh they do show that weird fucking suit she's working on for the Dora Milaje that's oh yes she's working on like a new suit for them check off sire man we'll call it yeah kind of a wow it's funny you say that because I'm like we'll know right because it's different it's like no they're both I mean there's two like what the hell remember this important detail for later yeah yeah pretty much um but I mean shortly after that uh Ramona Ramona Ramonda takes uh Shuri out out and just out into the wilderness to sit down um they've got like a flame that they set up and apparently it's part of the morning process basically like in Wakanda it's been about a year since to Charle passed away um and as part of the morning process they throw these white uh like rags onto the fire to basically symbolize that the morning process is done like it's what they were wearing at the funeral yeah you burn what you wear to the funeral it's supposed to be like you're moving on yeah yeah um but Shuri is not quite ready to do that I've not I can't remember exactly what it was that she was saying was it specifically I think it was um like that she didn't want to believe that that like the black panther as like a thing that exists in this world like an entity is on maybe help me out here um like well Shuri has this weird thing about like when he died I want to burn the world kind of like weird shit like that so I don't know if that ties in the only reason that line was there was so that when Namor says that to her that was meant to be like a payoff the only reason like because we should probably you know put some pins here of just like what we're supposed to be thinking according to the movie that Shuri's gone it's like a vengency in terms of her response to all this she's angry a little bit and I gotta be honest with you like I wasn't detecting that I just thought there's no they just do a depending on scene she's in I got one more of the impression that like with all of the work and stuff it was kind of like denial was meant to be that not like denial of what actually happened but denying like reckoning with the feelings that you have about it all just get you know if you've got your head in your work then it just distracts you from dealing with it that was the impression I got at this point like that that sort of burning the world down was like wait where that come from yeah but we don't get much time to even sit on that well it depends if anybody else has anything that they wanted to no I'm more interested in getting to the what happens next what happens next is your boy Nam Namor that's the man with the wings on his ankles that's so stupid by the way it completely ruins the first villain introduction with his boys that was actually kind of creepy and it kind of works and then he shows up with his little dainty little fucking wings and I say it just ruins it it's very distracting it's hard to be focused on that I don't get why because apparently it's comic accurate that he has the wings and I was just like why do that when the Aquaman approach seems to be the way to go right like you just have the power to move through water fast why wings on his ankle what is that about what's the idea well the wings are stuff that he can fly right I guess what I'm getting at is like you could just give him flight yeah you could well I guess the thing is that they're getting price for comic accuracy oh good good job yeah they say yeah it's one of those well it's weird because they went the route of making the character the they went the route of giving him the comic accurate wings okay they look really silly though so I guess you'll get points with the people who are super into comic book accuracy however the tradeoff seems to be one of the best villains oh well they're wrong he's shit and then you make a terrible terrible character yeah we will get to that but I guess if they think the character is not terrible I don't know what people are smoking these days but come on guys in terms of understanding what's happening in the scene the fact that Namor has managed to basically swim into Wakanda because he like steps out of the out of the lake it's like that's a big deal people can't get into Wakanda very easily but he managed to do it by getting through the waterways I presume that means that there is no shield in the water I guess which is an incredible oversight if true alright the alien dogs could have just swam into Wakanda when they put up the barrier around the city it seems too unreal to be real I hope that's not seriously what because that's the implication yes well I mean they get in again later that's right so it is the water is like oh god the water is unprotected but this also means a whale gets through well can swim through is Wakanda landlocked what river are you swimming oh my god there's also an oversight in the sense that if the queen knows that he can do that then I guess she hasn't told anyone this because they just do it again dude if I were in their council for security and they said whoops they got through the hole and I'd be like what hole well in the water because we don't have in the water I'd be like what oh jesus christ how long has it been that way do the west know about this we need to sort this out quick the rest of the world doesn't have machines that can travel underwater right because if they do we might have an issue yes there's no such thing it wasn't like that was invented a century ago do they have the fish ships yeah yeah wait so I guess because in terms of telling anybody I know that there is like the whole secrecy element of it I can't remember exactly did they explicitly keep that no they didn't they had a war council where they talked about no okay no she did tell them because they had a council where they talked about this later on but we'll get to that yeah Namor walks out of the ocean obviously just want to watch out of the river when they hear something they both grab their spears grab their spears like where are your guards I just wish there was a third character like Ross who was just he just gets his pistol and looks at them like you fucking well Namor was like oh man well Condor it's so cool I've heard about it but like I'm hearing that's awesome and Ramon is just like who the fuck are you like who are you and then he keeps talking it's like who are you like what the hell just tell me who you are and then he says like my people call me a word that I'm not even going to try to pronounce because I'd screw it up but my enemies called me Namor he says Namor which we find out is like something to do with his backstory in Spanish well other characters call him Namor certain points right they do call him Namor what happened he said Namor and then you all just said Namor as if you know it's like uh it's like Nala's name in Lion King how do you know the inconsistency of I think like wasn't it like there was only the one actress who pronounced it properly the actress who pronounced it properly played Nala in the stage production so she actually knew how the how the name was actually pronounced pronounced it wrong how did they pronounce it in the the remake how do I think it's Nala no way it's Nala though no they were trying to pronounce Zazu Zazu she said Zazu yeah and everyone else was saying Zazu yeah that was it yeah yeah yeah Zazu how does that happen it's very good Zazu did you care at all did you care how does how do you throw hundreds of millions of dollars at something and no one cares yeah that makes me bad thinking about that you know what annoys me as well this is such a nitpick and I can't get all I know you guys just can't get over it the spears they're both holding it differently they both have different stances like there's no unified training for what this thing is or better way to it's just hold it it's a stick whatever I don't know it's just kind of odd right because I imagine that there would be different stances but like presumably if you had some sort of like training regiment that you had for the Dormulage and presumably they've got it too you think that there would be like some sort of system right like a set of stances that you're meant to use or yeah I guess they there's a little black panda one criticism but they shoot blasts of light out of them and it's just like can you imagine thinking you're holding a stick like a rifle it's like do I put I put it above the shoulder under the shoulder do I how do I how am I aiming a spear you know what I mean like like a right like there's no scope there's no yeah there's no sights that you just kind of have to you have to sort of eyeball it yeah well it close your left eye put your two hand kind of look down the barrel light it up if you aim from the hip you spray everywhere you got to aim down the sights to be precise that's right you remember to aim down your sights that was your boy wait Ramirez was who you know it was uh Foley Sergeant Foley that's right Keith David basically Namor basically the gist of the conversation is somebody was was looking for vibranium like where I live and I don't appreciate that some scientist made a vibranium that's like a scathing machine you're gonna find him and you're gonna bring him to me so I can kill him which is the only way very first idea to this problem we don't want them to build another one find this scientist that could be everywhere in the world so I can kill them yes because presumably they don't talk to them don't talk to them don't bring them in why don't you just why bring him to hit you just find him and kill him wherever you find them why would you bring him there they do that they do it anyway yeah and it seems the technology levels for not Atlantis are like essentially Mesoamerican like Aztec level except kind of not right because they have vibranium stuff so they have they can work the metal I suppose and again it's like we're kind of don't ask me how they have the ability to do that work metal in the ocean even on land how can you possibly work with vibranium like how can you do that malleable I presume even though it's like indestructible yeah but I guess they have the armor and they have that big glowy thing yeah he brought the sun down to his people like what okay also hello critical drinker alright meow maca we're nearly two hours into the stream so of course we've managed to go to the park where Namor tells them to go and get the scientist really really far into the park oh man I just love this idea that you're gonna discover some kernel of logic to any of this like it's insanity this movie I don't want to summarize Namor as a villain but like what an awful start we don't like the scientist exist go kill the Wakanda what the fuck is happening anyway we have a very good reason to do this his people are essentially like ancient Aztecs that have been living underwater isolated from the rest of the world for centuries and yet they know what a scientist is they know what a vibranium detection device is what is science they watch you know because like if it was Wakanda too if it was all of like an entire civilization like in Atlantis the lost empire he'd be like okay yeah I get it but it seems to be like eight dudes that eventually became this sprawling civilization oh right yeah there was not like eight of them unless they were it must have been like like essentially a reset button from almost technologically whatever they knew is what you have to start out with and they probably didn't know much and underwater also there must be more inbred than your average Scottish council estate so I mean that's great probably it's fine the blue though so it doesn't work it doesn't work I mean give people some deformities you know an extra leg what is this ableism well he grew wings on his feet so like I I lost my mind when I saw that apparently that's meant to be really comic accurate but man there's some things that just do not translate I've seen some people be like don't make fun of that I was like listen guys if there's just a character in the comics with a giant cock on his head flopping back and forth and they they adapted that accurately we're allowed to laugh at it okay it looks silly it just it doesn't I don't know how you would adapt that a movie without making us go like wait what he's got wings on his feet I mean there's so many other ways you could have done this it didn't have to involve winged feet which is funny too because like they've apparently adapted faithfully to the sum of zero in every other aspect but for some reason they kept that part it's like okay yeah I forgive me if I'm playing catch up here have you guys started talking about Riri Williams yet well enough almost there we're almost to Riri in terms of Namor's logic is essentially that because Wakanda revealed themselves to the world they've now essentially motivated a bunch of countries to start trying to find vibranium which means that that's going to put Talocan the underwater city underwater civilization at like risk and so he blames them sort of for causing this and so he tasks them with doing this or else he's going to destroy Wakanda just to verify I think I brought this up on Friday Night Tides that research ship that went to the middle of the ocean and found a large source of vibranium it doesn't matter if you destroy the vibranium detector now they know where that ship is and therefore they know where a vibranium can be found at this point it's not going to stop them coming to get it it's the CIA they'll come back with warships and like a military and be like what the fuck happened to the ship we sent the idea that a ship just gets destroyed and everyone lost that's not a thing that happens so obviously they're going to come back absolutely there is recordings to recover too of all the people killing themselves radio contact and price satellite it's not that it happened they know that it happened and they suspect that Wakanda did it what I'm bringing that up for is because as soon as they figure out that you need to plug your ears the fish people lose yeah I always find this wonderful about Wakanda I was about to say Atlantis again whoever they always seem to portray it as though like they dominate humans in a fight it's like do you know what humans do you know the capacity for human destruction are you aware we've wiped out so many species you have no idea on earth and it's like look one tactical nuke dropped on your city and it's game over for you I mean depth charges how can you possibly fight against depth charges what can you do shield might protect it's like it might do but will it work for radiation what are you going to do I don't think the shield even would protect them because remember in infinity war when they're fighting all those creatures they just kind of force their way through force yeah there's enough force so like you just drop 50 nukes that probably if you do I'm saying that one big nuke you know and you probably get this all done scientifically to just match the radius of the entire place like they're not coming out right they're just locked in there forever it would it would be hilarious of Wakanda said oh but what about all of our neighbors what about them and you'd be like oh you fucking hypocrites you give a shit you don't fucking care about them oh so I guess this is worth noting like Nemo's like yeah kill the sciences problem solved it's like yes they won't try to build another one or alternatively they don't have the schematics to build another one because you wouldn't know that the cat's out of the bag you know if anything yeah you confirmed that something fishy is going on so they are absolutely going to come back the largest navy in the world is the you know the America's got the largest navy in the world as far as I know so they're gonna be coming back and they'll have drones and depth charges and submarines and they'll be like who the fuck killed their ship you can't do that well that's not allowed and it's funny you say all of that as if we're not in a world that for two decades has been developing hyper technology from every aspect of the world basically from all these different heroes and super powered people exactly there's nothing said Dr. Strange in there they're all fucked like these what are they gonna do against Dr. Strange Dr. Strange and a little submarine he'll cast us he'll just cast a spell of whatever he'll Harry Potter that shit and he'll be fine an oxygen bubble just around him and he can just go yep like as far as the water and then let's not even mention Scarlet Witch she would absolutely tear them inside out at a distance not giving it if you love it yeah she would love it and then she'd be like where are my children they're like oh lady just yeah like even bringing Captain Marvel like five minutes she would like you know wipe the place out and then be on our merry way but we live in space we're bringing this up earlier she's like oh we can't trust you with Vibradia but it's like we have Captain Marvel you can like run through planets what do you mean what are you worried about I just love this idea that like withholding resources or even just failing to distribute them as quickly and efficiently as you should is like a fucking war crime in the eyes of like say Falcon and the Winter Soldier you know you've got to do better Senator but when Wakandans decide to do the exact same thing that's totally fine yeah where the fuck was Falcon remember he went to Wakanda and said hey give me some new clothes they were like yeah sure that's what happened with that you're one of us we'll give it to you well they didn't give him face and head coverings though remember he's too cool for him they fight with spears so asking them to give him armor is like they're like armor what is that what does that do we'll come to this eventually but I just had such a laugh at the giant submarine that they have available even though Wakanda is a landlocked country they just had that ready for you to bring that up how are they breaking into Wakanda is like well how does that there's a big lake and then it starts further so they have to like come out of the water just go to the lake go back down and then they can get into Wakanda really deep in big cave can fit a lot through there yeah you can fit a whale through I don't know if this is great in a while I want to see those war rhinos go up against the whales just to see like too ridiculous that is the fight they robbed from us we have the council meeting sure I think so right that comes the summon I like in this and that is Winston Duke first of all he's just a fun actor like and he's clearly trying to have fun in this movie he's more charismatic than basically anybody else and he actually says about this council like they're complaining about the results of having Killmonger as a temporary king and then he's like all you fuckers are the ones that approved it that happened you stupid cunts he's like yeah he's totally right he came back and saved the day yeah so you know think about that you idiots and I mean it's funny because like Umbak is probably going to become the king of Wakanda by the time we next Black Panther right probably like yeah yeah it seems like that so I guess the king doesn't have to be Black Panther or vice versa they can be separate roles now well I don't know if that's I don't know I don't know it was supposed to be that Civil War and then they went back on it in Black Panther seemingly and but now by the end we'll get to that at the end of this filming but anyway the what is decided exactly like that we're gonna send Koye and Shuri to go and collect scientists I don't remember how they found Shuri and then she's like he wants to go because like he'll get away from like you know her lap and stuff and and then he's like no don't do that but then they go anyway yeah I mean yeah I mean yeah so they want to the first thing we see is a good old Martin Freeman nice to see him movie I just like him when he pops up and stuff he's always saying this to write he just plays normal guy and mostly everything even his builder normal guy like I guess you just have to be a good sport about it when you're having to play a character like this in a movie like this you're just like a laugh and talk to everyone yeah I got an immense criticism of the character but the actor you know that's what this world needs it's just a normal fucking person in this topsy-turvy crazy world not many left in the MCU so yeah he's jogging and there's this fly it's like annoying him until he eventually realizes it's a piece of technology that's supposed to look like a fly and he's like ah it's the Wakandans and he follows the fly until it meets him up with them in the area that they're in it's such a like what are you doing it's littered with stuff like this just time wasting stuff that pads out the run thing because it's like close to three hours it could easily have been two hours long yeah no problem oh clonky they could have just walked up to him that was it, that's all they had to do they could have driven to his house he's already in the middle of the woods like in the middle of nowhere they could have called him on a cell phone no there's a joke right where she's like do you think I'd have your number and then it's like yeah that's really funny I mean you do right give them one of your stupid anal beads bracelets or something and they're going on about how phones are so primitive and it's like you use a shopping stick stop also I don't want the beads I want to screens on them that let you do visual stuff it's very multifunctional it's a reason it's designed that way and it's very efficient can't play angry birds on the beads maybe it would be technologically obsolete if you guys would share your fucking technology you asshole well to be fair they specified it was an iPhone not just a phone which is true iPhones are primitive I don't know about that wow someone's upset because they have an iPhone no I just don't think they're primitive I don't get shit about phones well they suck well that's clearly a lie I guess the check cleared her rags oh shit wow almost get wrecked when I have my villa in Sicily you won't be laughing your apple villa my apple villa my eye villa I grow iPhones on trees yeah we get introduced to Riri Williams the first thing we see her do is help someone get way better grades who's not appreciative enough of it and um we probably forgot to pay oh yeah sorry I'm gonna do it right now I was like no there was yesterday's surprise like oh shut up I hate you already so she's super smart and kind huh she's the best all they missed was someone else telling her that she was those things that was the icing on the cake that we missed there at the beginning we just need a character to be like hey Riri you know desirable traits you have all of them in spades and so the pound of 11 just letting you know the guy that she has to help the dumb guy has to be a white male as well obviously if you're an MIT but nah it had to be that one I mean if you're an MIT there's no way you're constantly cheating there's no way not an MIT like that's a whole different ball game in the other college but it does feel like a high school thing when you go like can you do my homework sort of shit uh yeah but yeah better than just pulling off it because the thing is like if she's doing it then I guess he doesn't have to explain any of it right because he wouldn't be able to because he's done it all or at least done is it that he made the mechanism but she made the software or something like that I think it's all differential equations I think he's implying that he did the basics and like she kind of made it but the point being of course is that I imagine you need to do more than simply present you need to like show your work here I am assuming this it's MIT whatever it's just she's amazing and we should all be thankful that she exists yeah and they're watching her and keep an eye on her doing this and then Shuri is like she's like a girl we can't let them kill her and I thought that was such a bizarre line to throw in because it implies that had she been a different age if it was a white dude if it was a white dude they would have been like I don't know what we can do here what condons are originally nature take its course I would never even remotely entertaining actually surrendering scientists right that's what the dialogue needed to be but instead it implied now that we've discovered she's over there and she's cool like we best not let them kill her like what did you were you expecting an evil scientist and I'm going to make my radium detector to take over the world also apparently they they knew they were going to a university but the idea that it was a student was just like ah we couldn't how could we have seen this yeah I guess I don't know I guess if it was a professor it would be okay to kill him well if he was a you know we know how the what condons are I don't approve of it personally but we know how they are random murder oh so cool no I meant I went horrific racism but I guess it is a random murder very specific murder it's specific murder or as we call it assassination specific murder scientific murder so yeah they kidnap her it might be worthwhile to I get the impression that like somebody might listen to that and go like what are you talking about she chose to go with them I'm packing it that's one way to put it I guess can we talk about the outrageously great comedy that's to be had in that scene I don't know how to explain it what's the joke is that she's throwing a light in shadow or something there were a couple of jokes rags there was the throwing stuff that gets chopped by other spear but there was also a coyote was kind of insecure about what was it was it a make up or like she actually covered them up which is weird that would be the giveaway which is weird because in the first film it was very it was made clear that she's not really into like the feminine trappings like she's not that person and she's like agonizing she's not like other girls it's weird why did you change that that's stupid it's the weird dialogue that you get from her as well where you know Riri starts throwing things at her and she's like look how they don't teach their kids any manners in a place like this they're so like uncouth and ill mannered these people and then she throws a different object at her and she's like I like this one like why do you like her what made you change your mind about her all of a sudden I know she doesn't know who you are and you shut up in her door with a weapon also one of you is royalty and one of you is like you broke in you weren't allowed to be in here you broke in and you're telling him that I have to date with you how did you get into the toilet as well I don't know the window the toilet window she came through the toilet we all splashed through the window a lot of windows have a lot of windows have toilets this is totally normal yes but yeah just because she does say you can come with this conscious or unconscious right yeah yeah I feel like that's it I totally forgot about that yeah that's it you're threatening her that you were going to do it no matter what by the way there's totally someone else who will kill you but not us you need to come with us to another country I'd like to posit to you gentlemen and lady suggestions as well how they could have resolved this with Namor they could have just put Riri into protective custody in Wakanda or just sent her to a different place giving her a new identity and just told him that yep we killed her for you we still have the CIA to deal with we disappeared her trust us but you still have the CIA should be watching her like a hawk yeah this is the thing they could probably make her disappear this is the clown level that we're at they want us to think that she created this and by the way we're told that she did it in I think two months as a school project I'm a fucking believer you want us to believe that the CIA rolled up and said hey this little machine do you mind if we grab it as opposed to lady you're coming with us like you've created something that is literally going to change the entire world you have no idea what you've done yeah I think we're going to take it here's a massive check for lots of money we're going to give you a job for the rest of your life I'd be like look you need to come and work for us you can do all kinds of things you're going to be a real asset to us you clearly don't need to finish school like you don't worry about it you're floating above everyone intellectually you don't need college we need you to make us a new crack detecting vibrations like this changes everything they would grab her up they would give it to banner and whoever is leading western science in whatever way they are they would be like you work for them now make the things do all of the things but no apparently they took a machine and said whatever else you're up to who cares do we need to know how to make it what if she tried to tell them do you want to know how to make it no we only need the one it'll never break down or anything it won't get damaged just put me to the put me to the odd off switch that's all I need right there you're like ah sweet is it battery powered does it take double A's you find it as well that she once forgot the password for her laptop and she had to invent a quantum supercomputer in order to crack the encryption on it and I just thought gosh it feels like you've solved a much bigger problem there than your laptop quantum computing she might as well have just said I forgot my password so I had to invent a time machine and go back in time to tell myself not to set the password for that wait for it to do the secret walls or whatever that's what she'll do it'll leave you with more nonsense my gameboy broke down so I invented time travel to buy one that was working what we've done plot wise is if we ever need anything else ever she'll just take care of it she's such a weird addition to this movie it honestly feels like she was mandated that she had to be put in it so they could launch the character and they crowbar her into the script because for those who don't know she does almost nothing she's just a MacGuffin for them to fight over essentially and yeah it feels like she's really like fulfilling the same kind of role as Shuri like they're both technical geniuses who are about the same age they've got so much in common that they're basically the same character it just feels so weird that Riri's even in this movie you're absolutely right Shuri's whole thing she was super duper hyper smart she was better than Stark and Banner put together now it's like Riri Williams what's her thing it's like she's super duper hyper smart better than all of the world's technologies and scientists put together like okay alright can't wait for the next one to pop up I wonder what her name will be like an eight week old baby that's like able to boss baby just build anything girl boss baby and yeah she's getting her on tv show on disney plus that's what's happening fighting that's really awesome learn more about Riri Williams why do they go to a warehouse where all of his stuff is she needs to pick up like the laptop she wants her laptop yeah is it about the schematics or something for the detector on it yeah she says it's on her work laptop and then they grab it apparently she makes enough money on her weird little side gig cracking computers or whatever the fuck she does for the other students as big as a warehouse like 17 iMacs and a car and a robot suit however she fucking built that a couple of years well so that's the big fun reveal for those in chat who don't know they're looking around at his stuff and Shuri at one point goes is this Stark tech yeah they take no time and basically just go in you made an Iron Man suit she just has one yeah like I'm sorry what it's like yeah part of that is hard to understand more about it because the people who make this don't care anymore the reason Iron Man suits are special is because if they weren't special it destroys the entire world like if everyone has Iron Man suits it just fucks everything up so what do you do as a writer is you're like well design it so that the character is not only protective of the suits but the suits need a power source that is incredibly unique and difficult to engineer Stark discovers it himself with the help of his father's work as well and materials they even show the attempts made to make them difficult process and then it's just like well she did too oh yeah okay I would love to know how she was able to build an arc reactor as well doesn't it require incredibly rare and incredibly expensive materials just to be able to only if you're a dumbass yeah if you're smart but like just like a couple of circuit boards like thrown together and then suddenly it's an arc reactor you open it up and there's like some rubber bands and paper clips like one of those little I got locked out of my computer with a password so I built an Iron Man suit to break it or what so now that it's on my mind you have normal paper clips what do you call the things that have they're like the squeezy ones do those have a what are those ones called yeah it holds like binders and papers and stacks together and it's essentially it's like a black triangle and used the tab what are those called uh binder clips clamps clamps no clamp is a character from Futurama I think they based him after clamps from real life oh they get bit because the show takes place in the future that makes sense yeah I should use these clamps that I see a lot of people in bulldog clips I see bulldog clip a whole bunch as well oh that must be that must be an auto cucumber it's also poopy pans I think that's the real one I want to go into office depot and ask for poopy pans do you guys have poopy pans how do you go to office depot to get an compressed air not too long ago that's where I got my compressed air office depot office depot cracks is so stupid he's buying canned air do you know I have loaded it all the time you fucking idiot very true they scammed me they fooled me those bastards whoever does the marketing for canned air give that man a raise good job so uh you might be thinking as well with me having told you about all this you're like oh they got to build that up and by the end of the film maybe she'll have a wicking launched Iron Man suit it's like no no no she's gonna fly around and kill people in this Iron Man suit right now yep it's done I think women to pursue she didn't kill anybody but she may well have pretty easily so that's some confusion that so I will get to another point of confusion later with the explosion because there's a drone in this that needs to be counted for I guess is it the CIA that are chasing them I think it's the FBI I assume it's it's just nebulous United States government people yes the FBI and when they storm the warehouse whatever the fuck what the soul black FBI agent says and I quote get look she got an Iron Man suit actually say that it's the worst niggagry I've ever heard in a Marvel film like no what the fuck it's so rushed and shit like it's just she's super smart she knows the attack stock tech oh boy an Iron Man suit off it goes you think the only thing we get about that suit is like oh don't tell me you built this in a couple of months as well it's like no it took me a couple of years on or off on and off like oh so okay it's like a passive project you know yeah as you do I mean I'm building one right now it's not done yet but you know it's easy I've had I've got like three you know get free so yeah just to refresh to know what's happening here the FBI then imagine being like I don't know the fucking the head of the FBI and you're like by the way you know that lady who made I don't want to imagine that the lady who made the amazing technology that we really needed and is going to change the entire world spins out some people have kidnapped her from Wakanda what do you want to do like oh you know probably try and rescue her and stop them that seems like the reasonable thing to do and it's like however if we do that we'll come across as the villains of the scene you want to do that it's like well I guess so I guess we'll have to take that bullet just like is really anything they're doing wrong in the scene I don't know and uh it starts with the Riri blasts one of them with the suit before she flies away and even now I'm like is that what is that doing is that hurting them is he dead yeah I don't know I'm pretty sure there's a couple of feds that died there because there's a lot of explosions happening and then following action scene with a standing there's a lot of car crashes yeah you get a little lose brothers going on here oh yeah um Shuri's on a motorbike and Akoya is in an A car she's a really really really good driver of old muscle cars from America she's really good at it there's a weird situation as well right the Wakandans have got the magical bullshit spaceships that can like you know tractor beam you up into the sky and stuff like it just feels like a kind of situation where they'll be able to summon one of those you know just park that over the warehouse and it can just suck us up and we'll fly off and the FBI can't do shit but like suddenly in this one occasion oh they've got no resources available all they can rely on is the the fucking cars that are in there like it seems like they're completely ill equipped when they shouldn't be what confused me is why did Riri remote control the car with the AI bot and then she takes the motorcycle what was the point of that I think it's a 1971 Blemeth Hemi Cuda I think she wanted to drive it that was it so it's like yeah you can make the AI drive Akoya like far away so that I can drive on the scooter how do you start of a pre-digital car that's just got no like actual adapters there's an adapter for everything USB to ethernet the 3.5 millimeter to smoke signals there's an adapter for everything go to Amazon trust me is that a problem I think we probably will discuss this in other e-facts but like this is my problem when you get to this level of ridiculous technology where anything can happen in any situation you'll have like their magical bullshit beads that can just do whatever they need to do whether it's like communicate across the other side of the planet or you can shove them into wounds and it will just magically heal them up they can do anything and when you're in that kind of situation what is there to even like where's the tension because like anything can be resolved in the easiest way imaginable like the writers can do whatever they want and so it just feels garbage well that's what the thing with Mon Freeman's character was in Black Panther 1 he gets shot in the spine I think it's the base of the spine he's done they basically just like yep he's fucked and then they're like well we have got our bracelets what does that mean I can shove a ball into his spine and it'll save him what this means is that Wakanda has the cure for paralysis and they're not sharing that with the world nope not even Rody, Rody didn't get that nope and he's one of the people so if Rody ain't getting it none of y'all are getting it dude when Rody was in the hospital and fucking T'Challa was talking to Iron Man about what's gonna happen next just awkwardly looking at Rody like there's nothing we can do nothing we can do if only there was something that we could do all we could do is just hope and pray Rody meets Ross and it's like yeah man I got shot in the back and they're like I was paralyzed and they saved me it's like oh did they wow that's interesting that's awful man, wow I don't know, yeah I would know what you think about that so there's a part that I really dislike about this action scene I've given an image in relation to it Akoye is like I've got a policeman on his way behind me but she's in a car but she very cleverly activates her spear to stab it through the car in the back and then the police car drives into the spear and flips over it's epic as fuck now physics physics can fuck right off in this movie imagine if that spear had to hit just a crack in the road and got wedged in it would have shot right through the front of the car and probably killed her it would have been so funny if she sent it through and just destroyed the car she's just like oh fuck right yeah I probably should have done that yeah there's bits in that car if you knew anything about cars but you can't just stab through a car and just expect it to work right there's a lot of places you can stab a car and you'll be fine but there's a lot of important things in the bottom of the car wheels and there could be I have no idea where the fuel tank is and this is like 10% of the problem I'm not even sure she should have been able to achieve this angle from where she was sitting and how she activated it coming out of you're more familiar with the car I don't think this is how it should have gone but even still this isn't enough yeah so it's not long enough first off let's say that the vibranium is very very sharp right you still need to produce enough force to push it through all of that metal and everything how can you generate enough force to put that spear through a metal car do you remember they are literal superhumans at this point do you remember in the first film how when they were driving around in Korea when she threw the spear in front of the car and it stuck through the bitumen like the road and then destroyed that car when it crashed into it wasn't that like also happened here like if she if it snags on a crack or like if the road gets a little bit higher it get caught in the road and then like destroy the car from the inside or would it just destroy the road or something well it would go through well what we saw was when she threw the spear it went into the road and then it was a stationary object and when the car hit it got destroyed and the spear didn't move which do you remember in the first film like she throws the spear in front of a car and then it crashes into it and just like obliterates it but here it just sort of lines up I guess she knew exactly how far to put it through the car that it would hover just above the road and that it wouldn't get stuck in the road well wait it's impressive for someone who's not really familiar with cars and also can't see how far the road is like she can't see she's parked when she does it though right I think so yeah and then she starts driving yeah yeah why did they do this, why was this the way they did it like why would you have it so they thought it would be cool and no one else in the room said no that's dumb no one said no yeah nobody did right because it got into the movie I guess so much the script just feels like it was like the first idea they came up with and they didn't bother to refine any of it they were just like yeah that would be fine just do that yeah what's another few million well anyway that amount which like I said we're near enough but we're supposed to believe she then reverses back into it and it ramps up the car when clearly from the amount that it is that car is crashing into your car before it ramps up enough yeah it's gonna smash into the back of the car and it'll hit your room everyone involved gets fucked it's gonna hurt you, I hope you have your seatbelt on and yeah these cars are police like I'm not even sure these are necessarily the FBI they've just been they've probably been called in as for help for again under the it wouldn't be a lie to say these are foreign invaders trying to kidnap a citizen help them stop them that's exactly what's happening here you are part of the military apparatus of a foreign country attacking citizens of that country on the soil of that country bringing you racist it's done more awkward is her flipping that police car is like I'm so badass like man those guys in there I hope they're okay I hope that those good men are okay maybe they'll have a spinal injury that you'll selectively choose to open with they think that they're like literally fighting foreign invaders and saving someone from a kidnap but it's like this is Boston yeah like yeah exactly right like that's what they think is happening here and their punishment for that is serious grievous injury or death I hope they're okay I mean who knows I hope they're okay they're probably probably fine if they got their seatbelts on but still who that's a think about this in the context of that opening the scene where the queen is talking to the UN it's like we don't trust you with vibranium not like us who use the vibranium spear to flip over the cars of local law enforcement in their own country whose countries they invade that we invade yeah we're not allowed to be here it's so weird like Wakanda's don't treat anyone outside of Wakanda as like mattering people it's just a place you can do whatever you want yeah no other name we're the only nation that gets to have sovereignty and protect our borders and the Dora Milaje have jurisdiction wherever they are so the Koya has the jurisdiction to potentially kill these guys the world will never have the balls to criticize them for that like no they should because they're cool they're so cool yeah they're really great I mean they're so awesome remember that time when we kind of almost destroyed the whole world because of this stupid fucking system for who gets to be king who won trial by combat yeah decided that he wanted to kill people and children explicitly explicitly wanted to kill children I feel sorry for everybody that is like the Stads Killmonger because that one line makes it impossible that one line destroys him it's over yeah as if as if the name Killmonger shouldn't already send up some flags so um weird shit happens next we got the they head into this like bridge where the police have made a big ol uh blockade and they find out that the reason they're aware of all of them and where they're going is because of a drone that's flying real far real far up and Seriri Williams is like I'ma go get it and she how do they know about the drone they don't know Wakanda tech because they just have the tech which kind of makes you think if they have the tech to know that it's there they'd probably have the tech to jam it or disable it somehow or alternatively let them know about the road block earlier or give them alternate routes so that they can just go down a different road you can always like turn around you got a lot of options here well no instead you'll simply have Riri go really high up to the point where she's going to oxygen and then fire a missile to destroy the drone and then she's just going to dart right back down because she's knocked out but luckily she wakes up a second before hitting the ground that was a really tense scene I was really worried that she wouldn't be able to continue her reign of terror didn't remind me of that Iron Man scene at all yeah no way way better scene how dare you racist you take that back and prevents her fall what feels like one second before she's about to hit the water it was like no way that actually would work that way considering velocity no oration yeah so anyway first question was she aiming to shoot the drone in such a way that it would hit the blockade of course she said because she said right then I'm delivering something does she not like grab it and throw it at them so that was her she did have the drone crash on all of us policemen yeah that's what I thought because I was a little bit confused because of the quality of the cinema I went to and so I was really just super confused if that was supposed to be like the the Atlanians or something later because I was like there's no way that she did that so this was like a difference of perspective as well because I saw what everyone else saw but I just had a different interpretation I guess of looking up and starting to run that to me was no way near enough to conclude that she didn't hit anyone yeah all the cops would have had to get in a way there would have been no shrapnel or explosions or anything like that yeah you're talking about a few tanks of all those cars and the aircraft itself exploding guys just be clear let me you guys go ahead I'm gonna get you a drones are way bigger than people think let me get a picture of a drone they're besides some a Cessna or something aren't they yeah they're like planes and the cars were flying in their direction so that had to hit somebody that's what I meant there's a bunch of people standing there policemen or whatever they were the scale we got like guys like that and everything about an explosion is the shock wave that's the big scary part of an explosion that's the part that gets you yeah these guys were fucked yeah the shrapnel getting shot out the cars being flung around not to mention the insane insane lack of responsibility by shooting down a drone over a city knowing that it is going to come down that was my first thing when you did that I was like oh there's a lot of buildings here someone's gonna die you could have shown her do something like that to that effect like it's heading for a populated area but she like diverts it a little so it lands in the river well you have you have a Coye being a bitch and being like take it down we gotta get away and she's like no I can't do that I live here this is my city it's not England but it is her city and she has to try and get away to be like oh no I can't I can't do that and so you could have some conflict there yeah well you could you could almost play it for laughs like the the Wakandans are just prepared to like heal or devastate anything that's in their way and she's almost like running around trying to save people from them or like trying like undo some of the things that they've fucked up like you could you could do stuff with that or even like in the simplest way with this you could show a reaction shot of those FBI guys or those cops like picking themselves up off the ground like holy shit that was close or something just to show that they're still alive but you get nothing after that you're just meant to laugh and then forget about it and someone's just mentioned like the age of Ultron remember when he's like how quickly can we buy this building before he destroys it well after scanning it's definitely as well but there was nobody there how quickly can we buy this building I really like that scene it's really and a lot of it is just Ironman trying to control and prevent the Hulk from hurting people that's the cool goal like a hero, like a super hero we don't do that anymore nobody saves anybody anymore yeah no this is shit shoot down a plane over a city where it lands it lands fuck em they shouldn't have been in that city they treated as though they're the bad guys in this scene when there's nothing wrong with what they're doing in this scene they're just doing their job well they know someone to get kidnapped and they're just going into help and then all of a sudden they get shot at by robots and whatever and they're like what the fuck is happening literally super powered foreign invaders have infiltrated your country to kidnap a citizen who has worked with the CIA are you insane yeah aren't we glad that the Sokovia courts are done isn't that great is this something anti-police thing where they're just like ah cops die who cares they better just forgotten cops of people are you insane oh yeah yeah I think so it's supposed to be fun I don't think that the film would all recognize what's happened here this is like an act of war this is what that is but I don't recognize it at all it's like yeah it's an action scene and then sure they'll have their little investigation afterwards but there aren't going to be any real consequences can you imagine if it was Russians right if Russians infiltrated the United States Russian sleep agents spies whatever it is Russian military personnel infiltrate the United States try to kidnap someone and in doing so they go on this chase where they shoot down a drone and they destroy police cars and everything can you imagine we would be at war it would be a war that would literally cause a war to happen yeah but they played like upbeat action music in the scene so like like what's happening here in this sequence the film thinks that people should just of course they're rooting for them they're the protagonists we're rooting for the Wakandans and for Riri right like of course they're the heroes of the story they're the protagonists of course we're rooting for them we want them to succeed against all logic it has been a while since the last action scene so I get the impression it's like well we need an action scene and we need like and I wouldn't be surprised as well if it's like well we need to show like the proto like Iron Man suit that Riri Williams built so that we can have that as like toys and then we can have the like Power Rangers suit later on as a different toy wouldn't surprise me at all if it was like yeah we need an action scene here to conclude our first act because that's the Marvel movie formula yeah you need an action scene every like 30 or 40 minutes otherwise people get bored when after all of them exploded we have another action scene coming up soon whoa finally and by the way before you move on someone a statistic autistic he said remember when John Walker killed a terrorist who was an active combatant and he got villainized and he got demonized yeah he got absolutely demonized for that and he lost his job and his mantle and everything he's a bad person for doing that and then you compare that with all the shit that happens in these movies and it's legitimately remember it goes all the way back to WandaVision but even you know Black Widow with the the prison that was insane yeah but if you play heroic action music and there's no blood it's cool there's no blood on the shield yeah so it's fine it's wild so yeah the iron heart suit is hit with like a what looks like a poon or something and it's dragged down to the ground and a water bomb goes off to knock the other two yeah well so I brought this up in front of my eyes I thought it was kind of funny right you get in an iron iron man suit it's kind of wonky and incomplete and it's dragged down from the sky and planted into concrete motorcycle was flipped and she uses like a vibranium you know yield thing to slide across the floor and then a girl who's in a car that gets flipped I guess of all of these which do you think is going to be the best and the worst I don't know if she had a belt on I'm assuming she did I think I assume she did I assume she knows what a seat belt is I don't know it's a technology thing but I assume that she would be the most okay because if the cars are you know you get really banged up in them but generally if you're vibranium shield lady pervy being the most okay she seemed to just slide on it which was it I thought it was the like the glowy shield thing yeah she already had like a glowing shield so I figured she might be okay because that's because I feel I feel like Riri is the one who's dead like for sure I agree she should be dead because I don't see how there's any way for the suit to just like keep you alive in the event of you falling to the road my first thought was that she'd be the most okay but I was thinking about it more and I was looking at the suit the suit is like it's like an advanced warfare access skeleton sort of and to get hit with a harpoon and drag down is a good chance you could have broken in a neck or at least certain bones so yeah but anyway like Riri's knocked out Shuri's knocked out Akoya gets up and she's already at like fighting readiness we need another action scene anyway but she um because the card doesn't even flip like just forward it like does a spin and a horizontal flip and it's just going nuts and to be honest they're lucky they didn't end up in the water kind of yeah I would yeah it's I don't like it people are not wait how much does Shuri after she that first initial hit or she hits the pavement and the shield soaks that up how much further does she tumble after that because that could be really bad news I guess that's true but then you just wonder like why didn't she keep the shield on or is it maybe it's because it still has to soak up the impact of you hitting the ground so if you're falling and like if you were to put a real shield down right and you hit the ground all that force still has to well it's not going to really do anything they don't just get to do whatever the hell they want you know like that's true yeah she had the shield on it first and then when she hit the ground it turned off yeah why it got that first hit and then it either broke or she lost consciousness or something happened I did like how they all come down at different times and in different ways but they all like kind of slide together so that they're in like within about 10 yards of each other or within about spear range yeah well and like I said because the bomb goes off under the car right so if it blows up in like it's radius I can imagine why it would throw the car forward but the motorcycle should be flying off to the side and off the bridge but she flies forward even though it's going off to the side do you know what I mean like physics I think kind of fucked because what did it go did it detonate underneath the car or behind it just behind the car right but obviously she is angled so she's going to be blasted off the bridge nah because physics is temporarily suspended well and as we know from this movie if you're unconscious underwater you'll be fine don't worry about it yes of course yeah just like rings of power that's right if you're unconscious underwater you get put on pause you're not like your body isn't isn't going to instinctively breathe when you're unconscious but you're underwater just taking in water into your it's kind of a cool hack you'd think you need to be breathing at all times pretty much but if you're unconscious you don't need to be breathing you actually don't breathe if you don't need a lot of oxygen you actually don't breathe when you're asleep nah why would I you're doing anything anyway why would I breathe that's why I thought I needed to buy can there because I learned I don't breathe when I was sleeping I made that one too but I learned that's silly you don't need that snoring is just like it's just um that's just bots mouth cards yeah your body tries to breathe but you don't actually need the oxygen so breathing is just snoring is when your body's like I don't know what to do with all this air I guess I'll can it and sell it yeah thanks for the life hack no problem we learned a lot on EFIM yeah that's right fun fact before you go before you sleep just stop breathing uh saves a lot of energy I imagine a scene like this too when the tomahawk missile hits Tony's house and all three survive yep yeah I uh when I like it when it makes you feel like characters are truly a part of their environment when they react in a believable or a realistic way towards the things that happen around them particularly if those things are violent if you have someone in a car crash I'll I can generally buy that people will survive car crashes because cars are pretty safe seatbelts what not but when they get out and they're you know they're shaken and they're they're like kind of stunned they're they're potentially in shock based on who they are like that's a really good touch right it shows that something happened to them and they're actually reacting to what's happened to them that's neat that's cool we should do more of that no Akoya gets into a boss fight with a bunch of blue people no reminder that cars aren't bulletproof video or movie stop doing that stop lie stop with this lie enough enough of the lie that cars are bulletproof they're not I've seen videos from from gun range people where they shot cars and that car did not do eco yeah a rifle round will just go through a car the engine block is your best bet it will it might save you it is generally bullet resistant it might stop bullets so if you're gonna take cover take cover behind the engine in general we should remind like movie makers how powerful guns are how guns work period yeah cars are not general most cars are not designed to be able to protect the occupants from gunfire yeah so documents documents guns are really good oh they're very deadly they can go through a lot of things like octopus occupants they all make sense also I just wanted to say this part was really funny before the fight even happens where the car is looking around she's like confusion what's going on and then really really starts getting dragged slowly in the background the harpoon still attached so clearly the water people like pulling on the thing like we got it we got it and I was just thinking when she hits the side it'll get stuck it's like the way physics work it'll be really difficult to pull her over the I love picturing them kind of like like trying to yank her over and like just flipping her over but like they get to the railing and she's caught by the railing and they're like ah fuck we're gonna have to go up I'm not doing it yeah they have to draw straws or something's like oh I did it last time I'm not doing it again also also can we can we say how really really interesting it is that for a for a people who live underwater you through that spear through the atmosphere insanely accurately on your first shot nailed it without killing her that's interesting good shot clarified the goal is to kill them right yeah just jumped up and killed her yeah spear her face because this is the big question about this moment is like they've been sent by ah King Triton go and kill scientist lady they've collected scientist lady and clearly not killing them and so I guess Namor knew that was like you guys go go kill them now because they're not killing the scientist I don't know except they then changed their mind also and that thing is like great start with the destroying their vehicles but then you're not using your most powerful tool which is to just sing to them and kill them all some reason that oh yeah that's true yeah that definitely would have made this whole thing quicker and easier you instead decide to attack them and lose like quite badly at first until you regen and then you just use a water grenade and just fucked up and then you kid never comes back again I don't think they never bring that up again regenerating that was just that was just like I think you're right yeah it comes up as to why a coyote is fired but that's about it she gets well even if she brings up she brings up that like hey it wasn't fair that they know because they regenerate which I just like code but it's people what's because she lost sherry not even that wouldn't have even changed I think it's cope it's just like you failed yeah I don't even I don't know why have that in the film it doesn't like you beat them either way the fact that they got up and swung away at the end doesn't it doesn't matter and it's never brought up again is it just so that she didn't is it just literally so that they didn't have death portrayed I don't know well he's left there could they because then the CIA would discover them and they would know that it was oh my god oh my god that's it that are the underwater people like yeah kill the witnesses so that's a few more just confirmed dead people oh yeah in relation to this presumed yeah they killed the police yeah it's not a like you know ambiguous that we watch her kill many cops who were just here because they should be here this is their job keeping the peace of there's several like these kidnappings there's explosions there's rockets there's a rogue iron man suit we're here to try to stop oh we're dead now and nobody's gonna hold them responsible for that correct me if I'm wrong the cops not wear like body cams do they not have cameras mounted inside the police cruiser yeah it's over right like all of the police cars while they're all getting killed is on a walkie talkie like there's a fucking blue person who's trying to kill somebody what's going on the car would have cameras too so it's yes yeah and also I mean it's really bad luck that all of a sudden their bullets just don't work against them when we show bullets totally work on the blue people yeah but when they show the they show the girl one with a feathered hat when they don't ask me where they get feathers but when they they're doing that she's killing them with the spear they're just like unloading bullets into her but it just doesn't work for whatever reason it's one of those just don't think about it the person with the spear totally wins guys trust me because we we don't have countless amounts of evidence for what happens if you charge the cop with a melee weapon we definitely don't know how that ends like 100% of the time they show like they want us to think she's too fast and that she can block some of it with some of her arm or whatever fuck they probably have a vibranium armor that acts like Bailey any of their head head the entire body area there's way more space in which they are not protected than protected was for that way and you're not fast enough to block a bullet because the bullets in you before you know it's been fired and movies things otherwise yeah it's this thing exact yeah this is the one where this cops just unloading on her but like I guess the bullets just go to a different dimension where death is forbidden where the french commandos try to get into like the Wakandan outreach center and they're able to deflect bullets with their spears aren't they yep yeah I do the deadpool thing except deadpool actually got shot when he tried to do it because obviously that's what would a bullet is so fucking fast there is no way first bullets are super fast I can almost buy the blue people being able to do it because maybe they're like you know they're not human anymore they're like super fast reaction played Wilson was supposed to be a stupid human right yeah yeah and also I mean fast enough to stop a bullet with your spear like you'd be moving so fucking fast you'd be like also also consider that these are people who live underwater and now you are not in the water anymore heavy bullets you feel you must be you must feel incredibly sluggish and heavy if you live underwater and now all of a sudden you're in the atmosphere you're going to weigh a lot more everything that you do is going to have a lot more weight wait wouldn't it be because the water pressure right like what would that effect be on them if they live underwater the water pressure would be like super would that make you lighter or heavier it would only be intense if you had air in your lungs or anything but well they have little oh yeah by the way everybody the way that they breathe on water is they have like a little like mask on there has some water in it yeah yeah but apparently they can change it to make it air which is interesting why would they have that because they have one on Riri's face and now they kick people a lot oh okay fair enough but he takes his mask off to give it to her shouldn't he be like choking to death at that point because he's not breathing no he holds his breath it's fine don't worry about it you can beat his water holds his water well they wouldn't wait it's like so if they live in a place where the air pressure or sorry their water pressure is so great that you'd need a like normal humans would need a high powered suit to survive they couldn't live in the atmosphere could they I just think it is alright when he takes his mask off what should have realistically happened there is water should have come spilling out of his mouth when he tried to speak oh I want it on record that the first thing that's happening right before Koei is able to stop him is an attempt at killing Riri Williams right there he's gonna give her a big ol' stab and he's stopped so why is it that by the time this scene comes to an end and Koei's fucked off into the river why is it that he can't complete this goal because what's your name Shurias Rapali I think that was the idea why the fuck would that make any difference at all I don't care and then we've completed our mission and we're gonna bring you back for negotiations for other stuff good leverage it's so weird Akoya is definitely dead if you get like an explosion that blasts you like flying off of the bridge like you're dead or does the vibranium armor protect you from the force of that even though it doesn't protect you at all or was it just like a either way it's bad it's either an explosion or it's just a massive expansion of water it'll tear into you I guess these bombs could cause these are the bombs that could go through the vibranium mega glass of the royal skyscraper so I would imagine that if they can break through that and cause that's the glass that stopped them or from getting through but the bombs could get through I guess then I suppose one of these things going off in your face is gonna just disintegrate you yeah you'd think so if it's capable of breaking super reinforced vibranium glass it should probably deal pretty well with flesh and bone it would kill any non-protagonist can we talk about how she just sets it off in her face instead of just dodging the fucking bomb that they throw at her yeah I don't well did you catch as well that they've got a very specific particular and important job to do here protecting their entire civilization at least from their point of view and if he loses a spear at one point and he passes it back to her yeah honors is more important honor and survival of your civilization it's funny to say that right like honors is more important these fuckers are super sneaky do you see what they did at the beginning of this fight they detonated bombs underneath their vehicles without any knowledge now you wanna play fair honor is very important however we're gonna start our opening attack by using a song but you can't counter to just jump into the water to your death cause that's fuck off with this honor culture shit if you're gonna do it you have to show it a payoff of your opponent losing their weapon and you providing it back sort of thing I like that in a lot of stuff but like this it didn't make any sense at all it's it felt like it was thrown in because people have seen movies where that happens before yeah this would have made sense if they had some personal grudge that they were trying to sell and he's like yeah I don't want to beat you like I want to beat you you have to have that or they have to have this some honor warrior culture that they're consistent with some guys on a mission they would be like I don't know like special forces guys going into a terrorist den and it's like I'm fighting terrorists one of them dropped his gun I'll stop shooting for a second well when they go to the compound to kill Osama bin Laden instead of barsting into the room and putting one in his head with an M416 what they do is they say alright we got you now here's a sick shooter and I got mine and at noon we're gonna go to the we're gonna go to the main street when the clock strikes 12 we're gonna have to draw them and have a little standoff kind of a gunfight yeah yeah it's gonna be like good the bad and the ugly you know like nunchucks or something it's like right we're gonna fight this out man to man by the way it's the splash of that water the detonation thing that goes off that's what wakes up Shuri I just think that's funny she's wearing a helmet though I don't know what the I guess just the weight of it but it is funny though it's like the detonation is so intense it just blasts a coy away it's just like oh could you imagine if it was a realistic result if she would be torn to pieces there would just be blood and guts everywhere and yeah I guess that's supposed to be like kind of making fun of a coy every time anything's thrown at her she just chops it in half they throw a grenade at her she chops it in half and it explodes this is like well there's no payoff for that later where they try it again but she like dodges or knocks it out of the way or anything like that it just doesn't ever come up again which could have been interesting give her a whole new suit right oh okay but um yeah they I guess they opt to just kidnap Shuri and Riri and it's like wow that's lucky instead of them either killing both of you or killing her and just stealing you like yeah I feel like they would have just done the mission that they were told to do it's funny because they pretty much dominated it's like we're all the cops you just killed all of them is they're not reinforcements this is a city there's gotta be cops that are available and helicopters and no especially considering the CIA should have a very very invested you know oh yeah interest in protecting Riri and watching out for her they get away and a coy is fine in the water but she sees that they get away on their whale you can't catch up to the whale unfortunately so you have to go now we cut to good ol mr freeman who's at the crime scene I guess just this place but in daytime and uh madam hydra been chargeable of this I don't know if I am so sick of her fucking character she's just around yeah she's just around properties right first as well she just looks like she has no clue what she's supposed to be doing no yeah she has no clue they give her the lines that she's just waited for the time where she has to do something important it's like that thing like with actors you know okay so what's my motivation for saying all this like what am I actually doing here what's my plan and it's like she was just told I don't know you know for a fact that ryan kugler wouldn't know people who made falcon with a soldier would be known they're just like we were told by marvel that you're in here and that we're just gonna give you lines that a bit yeah it's like she's constantly trying to crack jokes but then there's there's never really any payoff to any of them and they're not funny and it's just yeah it's weird and so it seems like she'd be the kind of character who you know she's she's got this kind of jokey persona on the surface but then you see her doing like horrific shit behind the scenes but then you never see any of that and so like there's just nothing there's nothing really to I'm at the point where if however they end up characterizing here I'm not gonna be like oh yeah that makes sense with all the stuff we've learned about her so far I have no idea it could be anything I have to see whatever that's been pointed out it's supposed to be like evil Nick Fury I guess or slightly that anti-hero Nick Fury anyway on for him he's looking around and he's like something that nobody else caught luckily which is that there's Wakandan beads on the floor and then instead of letting people know that they're clearly involved in all of this which they would know already right because yeah instead of depositing this evidence he decides to palm it and then try to contact well like just keep it away from everybody in any case and um I wasn't getting lost I was like who do you work for man like what's going on I mean taking evidence from a crime scene and then using it to contact the leader of another country and then give them state secrets while they're actively involved in kidnapping while they're actively involved in the investigation it's like dude I mean I get what they're trying to do they're trying to get like that he's got like that personal connection with them because they saved his life and all that stuff and he perhaps has an element of trust towards them but he saved their life he didn't even save their life that's what people well they saved him from being paralyzed I suppose well they debated about it they kind of hesitated they didn't immediately save his life and it cost them nothing I want this to be known well you decide to tackle someone who's getting shot at to take the bullet from him that is a huge deal that says a lot about him and he lost his life essentially it wouldn't have just been that he was paralyzed I'm pretty sure he was going to die and then they the only reason that they want to not save him is because if they did he might be able to figure out where Wakanda is because they needed to save him at Wakanda which makes you think like we'll just do the surgery and knock him out and just put him back never know anything about Wakanda that was the problem with that movie back then but yeah they're too stupid to figure that out so they almost let him die instead of using their technology that they have like infinite resources on when he was the one that put himself in danger to protect one of them I find this infinitely frustrating that he sees that whole situation as just they save my life they're good people and remember he was the one who stopped the planes from getting out of Wakanda and he nearly died doing it that's true he was getting shot at and they told him to leave but he wouldn't because he was going to shoot him down and save the day and he's there like yeah I owe them seriously annoying about this character is that he has no idea like what's happening around him and so seeing him then be like and for that reason I will betray my own government to help out of farm one you're like what are you doing especially when you legit don't know yeah he has no clue we didn't do it I don't know it's like a real bad guy he's like he's remarkably chill about a lot of the stuff that happens as well because when they first meet with him some of my good friends were aboard that ship they got wiped out he thinks he has every reason to believe it was them now if that's your good friends that have been killed by them you'd think he'd be fucking furious and he would pull a gun on them or something but he's just like oh wow really hope that wasn't you just really restrained in effect a little bit the whole thing again it's just you know like where's his rage to get the cause they're like well we didn't do it it's like who did like tell me who did it they weren't telling we can't tell you right now because he's willing to go out on a limb isn't it crazy he's willing to go out on a limb put his entire life on the line basically by doing this to help you guys give him anything isn't that crazy that you don't trust him enough to tell him what's happening it's because Wakanda gets to do whatever Wakanda wants to do they can do no wrong they're amazing and he must think so as well because he goes along with it they're just the best they're incredible they're amazing in all the ways he's the male sidekick who knows his place I think that's the best way I can describe him and so he won't question anything and he won't like have any real agency of his own never gets mad that's what he's told like a good little boy really don't like it they just get to do whatever they want to do and no one ever calls them out for it the film thinks that they're on the right it's just juvenile it's like someone's have a power fantasy a self insert but a country I feel like we could we could summarize his plotline right now because it doesn't have really anything to do with the rest of the story yeah pretty much that was yeah what does he do? I'm saying I can, we haven't done it yet oh okay everything that happens now is basically totally debauchery on the main plot I'm also tempted to do it because the criticism of the scene we just had changes the floor right now as it's seen is wow so he was the first person to find that luckily Annie was able to palm it without anybody knowing like well so the criticism changes once we find out more about this scene which is a little bit later which is that he does end up talking to the Wakandan through the bracelet thing which is really convenient in terms of being able to just connect with them but we find out that Madame Hydra orchestrated this she was concerned that he would actually turn on the government so she planted detract try and follow me on this the beads were at the scene and then they hacked them so that they can track them and then replanted them knowing that he would come to the scene and pick them up and steal them for himself to talk to the Wakandan yeah they're bugged aren't they so they can listen in on all of his conversations the about a variable so they'd have to so they found the blue balls they found the anal beads sorry they found the anal beads bugged them I guess is a thing you could do impossible? I guess it is and the cousins didn't know about that they couldn't tell that it had been bugged and then they put it down so that it could do it and she knew that it's so funny if he'd walked into the scene and been like guys do you know these are here by the way and then her whole plan falls apart she's like oh exactly I guess it would have been well I guess he is on our side I suppose well it's just that it's so weird that she knew this would happen what is she basing this on the fact that he had a relationship of any kind with them I guess because get on here I guess and it's cool as well because after that the next time we see him he's imprisoned yay consequences and then he's freed immediately yes by Akoye presumably on US soil because we don't do consequence yeah attacking military you know assets and you know things like that oh I think maybe we're just forming a fugitive squad because he's probably going to team up a fugitive Wong in the future and then have a little adventure together oh yeah fugitive Wong yeah fugitive Wong fugitive Ross all right here for you Condor the rest of the world really should declare war on them and they they don't care about sovereignty or international law they just don't know shit nope they are like the biggest threat to world peace so over in Wakanda they pissed like what the hell and Akoye is like yeah you wouldn't believe that there was 10 million of them they were all super strong and she's like no you're fired that was really high it was actually monitoring the entire thing that they could have asked immediately for confirmation of what she just said which she actually found out there that's exactly what happens like that why the fuck did they say why did you said four door in my life why didn't you have people on backup just in case things went wrong why this was all just stupid anyway whatever you guys deserve this you're so horrible at everything you do um yeah and queen is real angry and then I think isn't this the part like it's a really weirdly edited moment where she just walks into the room of the AI that she's like AI and we track Shuri and it's just like yeah it's like the most bullshit shit okay the fact that that's not like because it's been the some time since the discovery that Shuri has been kidnapped and it's only now that they've like gone hey that's probably the thing to do actually let's do that Akoye would have immediately radioed in to say like Shuri should get a track on her right now before the war and then yeah and tell me where she is exactly exactly because I'm closer because this is where the phone call for Martin Freeman happens what does he tell them that's useful I can't remember ah damn I know that it's like you're asking a lot I think all that was told was that the US is now really starting to suspect that Wakanda is like responsible for all of these things was like suspect if they don't have enough reason to fucking have Wakanda at this point but it's yeah because another example where she's like I can't tell you anything useful that could actually help you why I just can't I think the best that she tells him is that there's another player like there's another country entity something in the world that was secret I think that's all that he gets from that conversation which they would learn all this anyway so well yeah I mean it's pretty crazy why hasn't Wakanda also started to like are they not interested they've got spies all around the world wouldn't it be worthwhile to send some drones to find out where our talakan is like the city you know generally the location it is you know it's in the atlantic ocean somewhere why don't you try and find it just so that you know does Wakanda not have a vibranium detector oh we already talked about that rags presumably they never thought to do that they just assumed it was all in Wakanda and that it was nowhere else yeah because literally all you need is a vibranium detector you find the biggest source of vibranium in the ocean pretty good chance that's where the ocean man is atlantic ocean is a fairly big place well then he sings to you and you kill yourself where the ship was attacked like they know that the ship was attacked in an area just go to that general location that's already a huge deal will building wise the government is sending everybody to that location exactly but no we don't care about that we moved on it's fine the queen goes to Nakia who's in 80 is it I think and she basically just says hey I hope you're doing alright but my daughter's been kidnapped can you get it so this is where I need to ask who the fuck was that she was in Black Panther she was Black Panther's girlfriend as I said I never watched Black Panther 1 so I was super confused racist forgetable character from that movie I had forgotten that she even existed until that moment when we saw her and I was like oh yeah you were a thing in Black Panther I don't know why you're back now I don't remember much about her other than Black Panther's love interest though but we do get the her doing admissions almost immediately she's doing the undercover and she does like a pathetic job of getting any information she's lucky because the people here is willing to give it to her she just runs into the person who tells them that that you know they didn't give a fuck they put Nakia into like the secret place really quick in the plot line she's like she found it shut up it's fine yep she found it she knows where it is there you go she talked to that one lady in the village that in the village someplace alrighty ooh and then we get the backstory yay yeah it's the hour long out of the film where they just keep going it's really funny because basically he's like right I gotta convince her that I need to kill the scientist instead of just doing it anyway and so uh I'm gonna tell her my entire life story and hopefully that's convincing and it's so funny because 99% of it literally has just nothing to do with justifying killing this girl it's just story it's literally just like I am a character in this world I need you to tell me my traits in history this is a scene for the audience that's all it is this is for you and I they gave us little snippets of his backstory and allowed us to put it together ourselves and then maybe one big revelation tied it all together but it's like nope we don't tie him that's why the Wakandans call white people colonizers but he calls the Hispanics colonizers that's world building the doors I don't remember I don't know is it Latino has spent anyone who looks similar to he doesn't care he's just like I don't even fucking care all of you every single one of you anyone who isn't blue he's not blue he's not blue yeah but he doesn't have to see himself I never really understood where they change I think you can see at least his hands right I don't know about that that sounds like a bit of a stretch sounds absurd to me I don't know sounds a little crazy I think y'all been huffing some of that air in a can I think is what's been going on the part of this I found fucking hilarious he wants to justify why he can kill this scientist and like his story begins with like my mom back when she was just like whoa how far how far are we going it's like listen okay I got lots of story to tell shut the fuck up back in the big bang and so the yeah the short summary is the like this is telling us how these people came about and what their goals are so they were they were a people they were about to get well they were they were going to get wiped out by smallpox smallpox is going to kill a lot of them so one of them prays to the gods and then they find I don't know if the implication was that the god did this or if it was just coincidentally they were hoping the god would help them out but they find a vibranium resulting water plant they crush it up and drink its juices and all of them become blue people they can't breathe and on land anymore they got to go to the water so yeah I want to be specific about this this is very odd to me right you take this juice and it means that you need to get to water to live how does that feel in such a way that convinces you like guys we got to jump in the water right now do I mean you would be struggling to breathe and would you just assume like oh I need water to breathe now well yeah could it just be like oh this actually didn't work you're dead I feel like everyone would assume choking me yeah I mean it's just it's really lucky that they ingested this stuff when they were near a beach as well like what if they'd be miles away oh you're right it would have been fucked that whole civilization doesn't exist now and also the difference between salt water and fresh water is like that's a big deal some fish live in salt water some fish live in they can do it I think the vast majority of fish are either one or the other as far as I know so I think like a fish would put it in the ocean and have it survive you take this crazy nonsense untested drug in order to prevent smallpox it makes you go blue when you struggle to breathe and someone's like oh we have to go to the water and I was like no we're dead it's killing us we fucked up so there's vibranium plants so like I guess we're left to believe that all the vibranium is in the ocean right none of it ended up in like in Central America except for the plant the plant ended up there like on land you know what I mean like what if um yeah there was only one that's lucky isn't it like if that wasn't the case is the implication that that plant is a result of of vibranium deposit in that area in which case like how did no one else find it well why is there only one it's just a fluke then that there was one there yeah it ends up creating an enormous civilization of different fish people like oh okay I mean how do you know how to make like a potion out of one plant you've never been able to test it before that's right but no it's none of it it's like what do you I found an underwater goopy plant I'm gonna crush it make you drink it because I hope this is just gonna do something and oh it turned us into fish and also because because his mom drank it when he was pregnant he turned into a mutant she had wing and wings on his ankles wings how does any of that follow like it's just just stuff it's stunning it's just sort of stuff that happens it's weird as well like when there's you know she was concerned about taking the herb because it might like damage her unborn child and this is such a fucking 21st century mindset like as if people like that would have even the slightest concept of any of this I mean that very well might have I don't know I don't think that's pretty reasonable yeah the problem is you wouldn't understand this stuff well the issue here isn't that it's that they I'm pretty sure that they would know that you could hurt your baby if you do things to yourself or drink bad things like poisons and whatnot but the issue is that if you're trying to protect yourself from dying of smallpox then you take the you take this elixir from the gods that's supposed to save you you don't say nah this might not be good for my baby I'll die of smallpox instead yeah oh well I I'm still lost on like I feel like I'm missing a component why the hell did they think that crushing a a bead blowing seaweed was gonna save them what made them think this didn't didn't like the rain god tell him to do it or something like that I think yeah I think they're implying they're shaman had a vision what what you needed to do they're jungle people that's I can buy that could we not have one of them try it before the entire fucking village do you don't question the gods god damn it if the rain god tells you to do something and oh fuck you do it I don't understand vibranium like it's more than a medal it's like magic medal like that's what it is it has all of these insane properties like that it like makes plants that can turn you into like underwater fish people and it gives you like super black panther powers like well unless unless it's implying that the magic is real that the the rain god for well that the rain god actually exists and the vision was real because like the marvel universe has many competing pantheons now of gods and like afterlives and all sorts of things because I've got the what's one more god I mean the Aztec religion is also canonically true in the marvel universe all of them are I think it was actually that anime god from fucking love and thunder it's behind the whole thing and I mean I guess it's like something that so they go into the water but they don't decide to like share this with other dying groups around like the in the empire they just keep it to themselves because like once you get in the water and then you try and figure out some solutions to the breathing problem surely you make that and you come back and try to help other people because if there was one plant there maybe find another one or at the very least you think that they would try and that that would be a part of their story that they try to save their civilization yeah but they go into the water and they fuck off and that's that it sucks to be you losers are we supposed to believe they had the same history as Wakanda where they went underwater but then they found the big deposit of vibranium and they mined it and then made a huge amazing civilization which by the way underwater seems to create some problems yeah I don't know yeah I mean like how do you how does this society well I guess we eventually see like how it operates but it's just like how do you build stuff man like in water like how is that difficult right as well because it's not like on land where you have seasons or you have like changing weather or anything like you're under the ocean it's just the same all the time and clearly you can survive under the ocean you don't need buildings I don't even understand probably I mean there I mean I guess there are some things you could build but a lot of things you just simply couldn't there's a lot of things you couldn't do because you need yeah like you should text are all about clay and shit how the fuck did you clay structures underwater you'd have to I guess you could use you could do rocks I suppose and stack them on top of each other you're going to use to bind them together maybe like I guess you could use mud and clay to sort of put it together and you could lash things together but I don't know what you'd use for wood or anything like that and I don't and I don't know how you mine anything but you'd have to you couldn't use hammers because if they've been developing for hundreds of thousands of years or something but they don't have that great of a timeline yeah they're about 500 years from like the colonial era of like Central and South America and they were reset to what they went into the water with which is what a knife it's a massive reset right because like you know they came from like a civilization that had government structures and technologies and stuff and now you have to relearn that underwater like you mentioned there was only a handful of them initially so it would have taken generations like maybe centuries before they got the numbers needed to construct like massive projects they did not they didn't think that part through at all like that there are way more of them they should be after 500 years like and when they're only like 8 or 10 of them that like went under so like man okay jeez it's and just the light and I guess I could see well whatever I mean they could swim I guess Aquaman their eyes are just to the lower is that the same for the fish people it's like we're virtually dealing with magic I suppose they could see underwater if the rain god gave into this to save instead of just curing the smallpox he gives them this thing to where they live in the water now I assume that they can see underwater it'd be real I missed all of the other stuff in this film I think we can give them that that they can see underwater yeah I'll give them that they don't look very fishy though like they don't have I don't think do they have fins or no I think they're just regular people but they're blue I think they're blue above water and then underwater it's like regular skin color so that's it otherwise they don't have any like attributes that make it so because Aquaman really shit like that's not a good movie at all but in Aquaman well no wait no sorry I was about to Aquaman is like absurd because they just see like at least in this film they drank like a little flower that made it so that they could breathe underwater for some reason in Aquaman that was just the ability they got they just something you can do you can just past track evolve gills you can go back and get gills I don't even know how you do that man they have gills did they have gills in Aquaman in uh in this with these guys these guys as far as I know they they don't do they the blue homies had gills you see the one girl that dies she has some gills going on he doesn't because he's this mutant okay okay well it solves that why did they put the thing on their face then so like because it's worth emphasizing for chat the way that they breathe on the surface is they have like a little mask that they put on that's got some water in it yeah yeah like you remember how in Aquaman they had those giant helmets in this one it's just a little like mask on their face that's got some water in it I don't know how it sticks on them I don't know how it attaches the scene that I remember where you see gills is when they when his mom dies I think so they might the newer ones or the recent ones maybe don't have gills I don't know so the potion gave them gills and then they lost the gills like in 500 years maybe obviously I don't know because here's the thing if they have gills now wouldn't putting like water on your face be worthless wouldn't you need to put water over gills to extract the oxygen from them there's only so much oxygen you could extract from like water right eventually you know what I mean surely if you had like a little bottle of water like if you put a fish in a like a tank that had the same water forever that it would eventually just die maybe the same as us just like having a sealed helmet over your head there's got no like extra air it's just whatever yeah you would exhaust it within you know 60 seconds or whatever yeah yeah doesn't make a whole lot of sense really but I mean but then after that is when we actually start to get no more stuff yay you know he obviously talks about his mother and like you think there's going to be some tragic end to her story but it's like she just died of old age yep that was well I suppose the tragedy is that they don't get to bury her with ease the way that they want sorry at least Aquaman isn't a genocidal maniac you may have forgotten when he cured actually it's kind of funny that you say that because he is one of the most genocidal genocidal maniac he's really a hero in the DCEU if you have a committed genocide like can you really count I don't know it's basically required yeah to get in the club not only enough all of the people in the suicide like bloodsport and stuff their body count isn't even close to that well no neither is Black Adams the edgy boy who's going to kill everybody no Black Adams the actual villain is way more like didn't he end up destroying destroying Kandak when he went got too angry oh okay that counts yeah that was that to be fair there was that one there was that one genocide yeah it recovered because it's like I'm here to help and all these crabs oh my god thanks to the audio mixing you can't hear the crabs go you can't hear John Rice navies going that's a top notch like meme we did it yeah it's one of the biggest just like memory hole things in movies is like no one remembers that Aquaman committed a horrific genocide against the people who were fighting against the enemies and then of course I mean a little bit I don't know making all of the the animals of the sea your slaves to participate in this war and give their lives like hmm I don't know how to feel about that all the fish to die yeah what if the fish are like we don't fucking care who rules that why do why would we care who's the ocean master we don't imagine the cycle of trauma you'd have if you were one of the guys that's like this is my shark his name is Jim he's my friend he's my noble steed in the same way that a horse is a steed yeah in the same way and then Aquaman just mind controls him to kill you like I don't know if you guys remember quite but is it Blade's origin is the when he was when his mum was pregnant with him she was bitten by a vampire and that's why he's like he's half and half he can walk in the day but he still has like a addiction to blood and heightened abilities sort of thing it's like okay that reminds me of myself this is kind of what I want to I know that how it sounds that makes sense you'd be like what do you mean that makes sense it's vampires like no no that it just it's it follows I get it it's a trickle down effect to the kid if you are pregnant and you're like I can you get a combo and he lucked out and he got like kind of the best of both of those but he also has the curse of like he's got to control his desire for blood okay okay all right we're gonna name or he's like pregnant his mum's pregnant with him when she goes from being human to being a fish person that gives him wings on his ankles it's like what well that's that's just intuitive I mean come on of course wings are gonna sprout from your ankles if you're gonna live under why we come on what I mean about the whole like it was if they just just understand we need to we need to make a new word weird man because apparently it's not even because he's underwater it's just because he he is a mutant kind of thing he it's fucking stupid you want to know what rags are laughing at it's this oh come on it's not even the same genre what are you fucking about you know how it's you guys know how it's nothing like the godfather it really is like the godfather in a sense yes the big comparison I would make is how it's nothing like the godfather why did they say that I don't know a lot of dead minorities I don't know why does that even make sense I don't get it it's just like when the director of that Jurassic Park movie said well this dinosaur is just like the Joker it's the same thing what was that why did they say that Jurassic World Dominion was like the Joker apparently the dinosaur was the dinosaur the dinosaurs themselves are like the Joker oh that makes sense like I said we need to make a new word it's called untuition it's the opposite of intuition it's just not intuition it's untuition oh man okay what's happening well so this is the quote that was actually given it sounds crazy but I'm gonna say it there's a little bit of a mob movie there's a little bit of a mob movie to this there's a little bit of the godfather sounds like I'm being instained but there's that feeling the families of war because this movie is very much about Wacom defining an equal in itself and Namor's world of Talocon but these two isolationist nations that are incredibly powerful probably more powerful in the world are figuring out how they can both coexist the film is very much about Wakanda opening up its borders to some degree and impacting Namor's world in a way that's unexpected Namor kind of comes to Wakanda with a proposal that's not unlike you know one of the five families coming with a proposal and Wakanda is having to figure out how to negotiate with this world power that isn't afraid of it frankly man that's like not at all the Wakandans the Wakandans breathe air the not Atlanteans breathe water this guy breathes coping this thought went into his head and he was like okay I'll just say it and then immediately regretted it but he's like I need to try and like come up with a comparison how can I lie to get people to like see it the live reaction of minds go say you're seeing that you said it this is what Martin Scorsese to agree that maybe they are cinema for the comment about cinema but we could get Coppola as well I suppose why not put them both in the room get them all to react it's it's when Martin Scorsese watched Wakanda forever he sued Disney for copyright infringement that's just it's so much like no that was Francis Ford Coppola who did the guy oh Coppola yeah yeah yeah that'd be pretty funny actually it's just like this can't be legal anyway anyway we were having fun talking about something else back to Wakanda forever well so when he was a little boy he grew up and he was going to go bury his mum and then they go up there and what is happening people getting whipped well I remember we went from whipping chains like I was just walking along and then fucking slavery he was doing anything it's just like they're whipping them cause they just hate them he went from squids and shells to squids and shells see what's so funny like I'm gonna go bury my mum oh no slavery slavery we still have to walk upon the only piece of slavery without knowing I mean like it was pretty sparse back then like the odds that there would be a plantation like right there oh look well consider the fact that you have no context as to what is going on here you don't know if these are prisoners of war but you do which he'd probably approve of you don't know anything about that why would he have a problem with first off why the fuck do you have a problem with slavery do you mean because he not not not our panel here but I mean like why would he give a shit that there's slavery going on was it specifically his people that he saw but they died of smallpox right I thought well I presume I guess it's like the problem his name was not very empathetic so like I'm not sure why I would have the presumed human empathy like on him of seeing people suffering I mean his people I mean if we go back a ways if is he supposed to be like a Mayan or an Aztec or something I think they were all I think he's Mayan I think they all practice slavery because so just having slaves wouldn't like this is the 21st century writer I guess he never would have seen any of that right because he lived in on the one hand I don't know maybe every day so the sun would come up well I mean their religion I don't want to make sure we understand Namor is totally fine with almost arbitrary murder yeah that was the first time he has no context for what's happening here whatsoever and he knows to only destroy one side without being able to I guess he could speak the language or whatever because the one missionary guy but alright well I think this is a big part of there's a problem actually because I saw somebody that say it might just be more so because they were there where his mom was it's like oh that's way worse for him so like it wasn't really about the slavery it was just that there were people so he would have killed the slaves too he'd been down the entire plantation yeah like what happened to the slaves did he actually save them or did he the thing the editing is so bad the editing is so bad that they show up and then he starts flying he took the title of child without love he didn't take a child of like liberator savior something like that he's like nah I'm a I'm a fucking blood monger essentially I'm just a killer I don't even have love that's the title he took it wasn't like all the people were like oh thank god this child from the ocean that the god sent they saved us they delivered us from slavery and they took off our chains and oh my god it's wonderful they didn't go that route because the name more comes from like a phrase in Spanish right that's the new like that wasn't what it was before right that's like a retcon for Marvel you're asking the wrong people someone in chat might know I could believe the retcon did if you watch the chat see it help out I'll keep an eye on chat so apparently because someone said Roman backwards I think that's what it used to be but now it's different why would he take on the name of like people he doesn't like in a language that he doesn't really understand because only his enemies like why would he only his enemies call him that fringy I thought that was funny though but he introduced himself and he's like my enemy's calling him more this is like I guess we're calling you that then like we don't like him nobody actually nobody uses his other name because they still want to market it as name or like ultimately they still want to leverage the existing comics character for the sake of their marketing um they want to use it the point that's being made here is in terms of like characterizing who he is and what he values this scene doesn't do a very good job of actually clearly establishing that I don't know what it is that he values at all well as far as I know he values just like bloodlust he's a killer he doesn't love and he doesn't like that's the that's what you come out of that thinking he's a child without love he cannot be empathetic to other people he's just he's just a bastard when did they crack that they could control people's minds to the point of making them kill themselves I don't know and what does that have to do with having a fish person it's just yeah they're like it's because remember sirens well I was gonna say sirens I don't know what that has to do with them though because because they're in the water Mahler sirens sirens are a greek legend aren't they that's greek yeah but I mean her trick has to be he's totally appropriate he has wings on his ankles it's like Hermes like Hermes the name or from the comics is what greek originally is that not his origin like anyway like it's actually atlantis in in the comics right atlantis not telecon that's like new as well so they're like pulling all of these disparate parts and they haven't really reconciled them all together well hmm yeah that's to be expected the point is it's all real shit yeah when they all arrive the slavers react to who's that little child and not why are there blue people on our field they're right there's a bunch of blue people but look at child and then the editing is so bad it's like they show up and then they're like oh that kid and then it cuts back to name war in present day and then cuts right back to them and then the place is on fire and they're burying the mother and it's like there's no it's not just like mother would have wanted so funny like they cut to the one of those slavers and was like who's that child belong to that's your problem right now child don't let it touch me look everyone look everyone the old man is talking everyone child is standing if name war like if we are to believe that like name war was actually invested in the fate of the slaves like when he saw there is like this is wrong we got to stop this why did they become an isolationist kingdom why didn't they become more zealous in terms of yeah liberators I have all this power I could save people I could live they have all this technology they're incredibly strong they're in a position to do some real good and they just don't do it they just decided to go live in the water and be chill there while over the ensuing you know many centuries like the rest of Central and South America gets like totally destroyed they just get to chill out on their own in the ocean I wouldn't have made so much more sense from his character's point of view if they had been completely ignorant of events in the in the world above and it's only when they emerge because of all this shit going on that they realised what happens like is this what ships look like now like holy fuck what and then like he's on a path of vengeance because of that he's like oh my god like my people got enslaved and exploited and genocided I'm going to take revenge at least that's something then he comes up and they're like you're outlawed that like hundreds of years ago the problem drinker is that like well that's probably the only solution because ultimately you have to they can't have been involved in like world affairs they have to have been secret because otherwise it's another civilization that you're throwing into the mix that apparently nobody heard of well at this point yeah it's starting to rack up like all of these ancient civilizations that are incredibly powerful that have been there the whole time you don't remember when Wu what is also what is Neymar and Telecon how do they feel about when Wu was Shang Shi's dad the guy who was alive for a thousand years oh yeah that guy over the world governments as well and also until little did he know his tendrils were being controlled by Dracar what did Telecon think about the snap like what was what was going on there because half of their people would have been dusted what is Neymar oh you're fucking right Jesus Christ oh they can't deal with it anymore they might there's not even going to be a reference to it in phase 5 phase 4 struggled to escape it's over struggle to mention it people have gotten over it ah yes people have just gotten over it a couple of years yeah cosmos yeah I mean it's not like the scars of wars that are at this point a century old or two centuries or three centuries still have a mark on the world but not everybody half the universe disappearing and coming back who cares you get all these mixed messages from it falcon and the winter soldier would imply that the effects of the snap are still very heavily spelt throughout the world it's a major problem that hasn't been resolved and yeah now it's just forgotten about it well because the people who made that disagree with the people who made the other things yeah because these people probably never talk to each other and never will there's no meeting where all the writers are called together and say guys we have to get on the same fucking page here yeah this MCU is not your playground to do whatever you want but then I give a shit this is why it was so much easier when it was just like one or two movies a year and like it was easy the continuity between all of them yeah it's just impossible now I will never get over the fact that Hawkeye has the continuity error because they didn't know what year the film was set in oh there's a TV show something I'll never get over that they thought it was two years ahead and it's like oh wait it was actually one or something it just totally didn't line up it's like man that's insane you don't even know what year your story was set in yeah it was like give less of a fuck I don't mean because of course we haven't mentioned it but like oh yeah go for it just real quick on the snap it's five years between leaving and coming back right yes if half of humanity was plucked out of existence for an hour and then plucked back in that would cause immense chaos we'd never stop talking about it humanity would never stop talking about it but it was like I talked about in the end game video after five years it's like okay so the world is very much built for all of the people who lived here there's like a lot of stuff that would break down if you lost half the people like the people who exist on this planet like do things they have jobs and stuff and roles that they occupy in the world lost knowledge, lost expertise emotional toll of course yeah economic turmoil and then like you have that and then maybe after five years things do start to scale down in terms of food production and all sorts of things and in proof you've got like those people back again like yeah like right as they've adapted to having half the people yeah you need to like what if you didn't plan enough crops in the prior year like almost certainly you wouldn't have planted enough food for everybody what about all of your infrastructure of course there are probably several countries that don't even exist anymore or their borders are in dispute there may have been no serious repopulation efforts as well maybe who knows probably like literally will pay you to have yeah the point is that it's the significance of the snap on earth alone like there is no advance in human history that would be comparable to like how disruptive that would be and they just don't care it's been two years and we don't and apparently Namor and Telecon didn't care either they just didn't give a shit that half that people turned to dust considering how isolationist they are if they were all just having a fun day doing their thing then half their people turned to fucking ashes under the water would they literally just been like that was a thing that would have come up on land what the hell what if they could have blamed the surface for people getting snapped away yeah they would have been like what magic is this from the that's a way better way to get them into the story what magic what must have come like the shamans told us this all of our people just disappeared and it wasn't us somebody from the surface must have done it you're cursing us or something or maybe it's a something but that would have been interesting an entire TV series to address the implications of the snap and even that might I presume you're saying not be enough the reality is there should have been a phase in the snap you should have told a lot of stories there a TV show at the very least would have been nice like an anthology where you follow a bunch of different regular yeah every episode is like I could imagine the writers of this would say you guys misunderstood the snap the 50% like of life really there is a chance and that is what happened nobody in this city got snapped they just lucked out sort of I mean there was a chance it is statistically possible though virtually it's essentially impossible like that guy in South Park said improbable but not impossible or however he says it the guy who who sell damn that was the Margaritaville episode where Stan was trying to return to Margaritaville I think yes I think someone on chat would it's not impossible as a point but it's highly improbable so with all that story being told he's now going to show off the cool new place to this foreign leader which is just take her there which I just honestly with the very little I know about Neymar I feel like he would have done that anyway why would he do that he would never show anybody that he could ever consider a potential enemy the location of his fucking people what's happening no but his big mistake was that he trusted too much in her and that would be really strange person to try and persuade as well because she doesn't have the authority to make decisions she's not the head of stake if anything he simply now knows something that you can do but something I thought was really funny is you may be asking like this is deep underwater so she's going to need a suit fresh or would kill her luckily those people they killed at the beginning they took their suits as well so they gave it to her and I was just hoping for how this is this smell in the suit or something and he's just like nothing nothing at all crazy but if they killed the people that were wearing those suits wouldn't they have to tear the suits open to kill the person inside in which case the suit should be destroyed or did they pull them on land and rip them out and then kill them they rip them with their vibratium knowledge okay they get them on land to kill them and they're like this is heavy oh my god you know and actually now that I'm thinking about it I'm really heavy so um yeah she goes on a wonderful adventure and this takes a long time this does take a long time this is the middle four years of the movie dude look how beautiful it's underwater it's like I don't give a shit it actually doesn't look that good no it didn't it wouldn't have affected anything well the whole idea is like ate my people and it's all really nice like yes like so look at how much culture we have in our film you had people like playing a Mayan basketball and I'm thinking like you know like the implications of that right people die if they lose that shit so they they got rid of that rule ages ago listen if you're trying to repopulate a civilization you got to change a few basketball rules okay I feel like that game doesn't exactly work anymore underwater I feel like that just ruins the whole thing it technically does but it would be way more boring and slow it's like basketball underwater cause like how do you well no how do you throw a ball underwater it's ball shaped they're really strong you can't throw a ball throwing it strong actually it would hurt it because the harder you threw it the more like it it's kind of like a bullet underwater like the faster the bullet goes underwater the more it kind of rips itself apart so I don't even think that game would work underwater you'd have to use like darts or something or like those little torpedo shaped pool toys you know you couldn't try to play pool or billiards or something or like tennis you know like all these ridiculous things that would never work maybe maybe they use blitz balls from Final Fantasy 10 yeah that's a good point I could see them being from Final Fantasy 10 all that happened was they were like that's like a mine thing right let's put it there that was as far as the thoughts went yeah because yeah for anyone who's not falling the whole reason you show and roll this is to explain why he has to kill the little girl he has to protect this wonderful underwater town basically look at all these happy people we got to protect them killing an innocent person this is not putting to one side all the other people they've killed I would have just loved to have that reaction like okay yeah I get it but you still want to kill a child and also you killed other people so you want to kill everyone on the surface and so by this rationale you could just take her to any place in like America or Europe and show her like you know civilians walking around children playing and it's like you've accomplished the exact same thing like everyone has got innocent people to protect like any place on earth has it like what makes your country so uniquely special that like you're willing to destroy the entire human race for it and you think that's okay I've got a question my question is why the hell are underwater dictators trying to destroy the surface world all the damn time can we kill Aquaman the ocean master guy and then you got this dude and I'm like man stop guys chill I think something that's worth emphasizing basically Namor's concern is well how long is it going to be before people try to come to like telecom and steal the resources there and it's like okay so basically his strategy is to kill anybody who like could even potentially kick off a chain of events that may lead to that that's like the basis of his he's got to wipe out Wakanda then like there's no guarantees gonna wipe out the whole world actually just kill everyone by that logic there's always the potential it's like I guess there's always the potential sure but that's not like a good reason to like that's a really shit reason to kill people no he's a really great villain he's an excellent villain or he could just do the easy thing and like establish some kind of trading agreement with the rest of the world like I'll give you a quantity of vibranium I'll deposit it on the shore so you can take it and you leave me the fuck alone in return like that's that's pretty good arrangement well yeah but the film keeps forgetting that there's more options than just war like but in terms of countries are coexisting with one another and I'm tired of like this automatic like you know those fucking western types they're gonna kill and destroy everything and you guys know what you get up to regularly it's just weird that you get weird what are we doing right now what's the west doing in this universe like recovering from a horrible tragedy that was universe wide and desperately trying to establish networks in the cosmos to prepare for the next Thanos that might arrive we got these cunts underwater like we're better than you by the way it's like okay thanks I guess what is your annual foreign aid budget telecom or zero dollars why do you ask like they never even mentioned to blip for them right like they didn't even talk about in this movie if I didn't miss it yeah didn't even mention it yeah it's just only the most important event that ever has ever happened in the entire universe it's just don't worry about it well everyone got over it so who cares yeah no okay I mean there's a lot of water down there so they have to face I guess like let me kill the scientist lady she's like no what after all the cool things I showed you and everything should I show you again like it looks it's really cool well you don't convince by me just showing you people dude I showed you a sudden underwater how did you not say yes um and he has a meeting with queen lady I don't remember what they talked about oh um we're counting that queen lady lured him out yeah is that the distraction already so Nakia could get in there and save him yeah which is very easy by the way so Nakia's just she knows where she is fuck it she gets her like she's got her own vibranium probably nano suit that's amazing in every way shape and form that can get her to exactly where she needs to go there's this Boba right so you've got Riri Williams and Julia both in let's call it a prison cell of sorts like a cave it's like a halfway house isn't it it's like nowhere near being city and it's like kinda near the surface so you can get to it fairly easily and there's a couple of uh a couple of guards so you're like okay and Nakia's managed to get to this building the structure whatever uh without being detected like okay good job she's a stealthy one and then she just casually walks into the middle of the room with her gun and the guards and everyone sees her and it's just like oh there she is I was like all that stealth just for you to go hi guys hi well you'd expect like the guards to get knocked out one by one or some shit but no she just sort of just goes hey guys yeah something clever yeah like a secret agent or something not just oh yeah this is her job by the way she's like the most exceptional one of this kind of job yeah so exceptional that she stopped five years ago but she's so good that apparently she's better than anyone else who is like currently active in duty and training and everything well yeah because there's nobody else who there it's not like there are other people who are also doing this job no because there's like no people in Wakanda other than like the main characters nobody else really matters like something I always by the way where you talk about there's a lot of people in Wakanda I forgot to have like a whole fucking thing that's full of snow yes that's right they've got how fucking big is that country I'm very good I was so confused it's so big it's enormous yet there's only one city like seemingly except there's also the mountain tribe and then there's also the the other tribes like the rhino milk yeah that was I think and then there's the people who are like pretending to be a grow up maybe they don't do that anymore though like the people pretending to be because they know that the jig is up so they just play because what if they what if they stubbornly kept up with it just yeah like it's like the people in south where they attended in 1864 you go to Africa to the tribe where everyone's pretending guys we know that Wakanda is over there and you're just pretending they're like no we're not Wakanda what's that we don't know what that is he secretly whispers it's like I prefer it out here it's nice and quiet and I get to extend my land you see the people in there they're fucking crazy it's funny it's probably questions that I asked that I probably probably would have asked in the first one already it's like why is there snow why is there other people out here how is no one just accidentally flown into that fucking force field with a anything it's like well they couldn't get past the impenetrable forest so it wouldn't even happen okay just don't don't miss the beat don't miss the bean don't miss don't miss the beat you know this you freaking remember I'm sorry I think this sounds funny enough out of context Midnight Mass I watched it with my sister and her boyfriend who they're all a fan of all the anime I'm happy to watch all of it and there's this character that gets a lot of focus and an episode that very much is from her POV and it's quite a lot of serious subject matter and she's a really good actress too she fries her ass off just good stuff but my sister's boyfriend the one that he was like really want to get into this like I really want to appreciate everything that's been going on in terms of the writing and the performance but she looks too much like Mr. Bean lost my shit for like two minutes like couldn't open he was like very serious and I just couldn't stop laughing I can't take Mr. Bean seriously I can't do it he's the antithesis serious felt really bad for the good anyway what what happens there oh yeah so Nakia being a fucking moron she manages to activate the guards she shoots one as they're moving activate the guards yeah because the guards were gonna be a threat they were like sitting around activating the guards it's like a video game and then one of the guards grabs Shuri as a fucking hostage it's just like nice that's the whole reason you do stealth you dumb shit yeah not they they think that they're using she-hulk stealth rules oh that's what they think she-hulk got the job done no I mean they're like well I guess Nakia got the job done too she just she does that thing where they have a hostage and then she just shoots there was nothing else really to it uh which I mean that's what would I mean that's what would happen uh it's just like well when they have it all right I mean yeah if you shoot them in the head they're just dead it's true nothing's gonna happen one of the things you need to do is better put them in front of you instead of putting so you know like when you have a hostage you meant to use like a meat shield so if your head is just there they're just gonna shoot your head um it's funny to say that right you shoot her in the stomach which is it seems honestly oh yeah you're right from the way we've shown it that looks like a tough shot and an unreasonably difficult one like in terms of why are you risking Shuri right she does get shot in the stomach so she could and so what yeah as a writer right the way you usually do these seems to be satisfying is you have Shuri like hit your head back you know and it hits the hostage taker in the face whoa and then it gives the person a shot yeah Shuri she's got like when uh when I do remember I'm leaving with my hostage it's like dick you're fired and then punches him in the gut and then he can and then the Murphy can shoot him it's like yeah you do it like that oh I thought you were shooting through the innocent person but it wasn't a fatal shot I thought you were I was thinking about Shuri is like yeah it's fine it's on the flesh one as we've discovered Shuri can take like a spear right through her spine wow that's cool yeah she can sorry give me just one more I find it pretty funny because I'm pretty sure Shuri I don't know if she says I'm pretty sure she says something along the lines of this is gonna cause a war like it's so funny that would constitute a war unlike all those other things that have been happening unlike all those other times when more people died this is the shit where you just want to slam your head against the desk like you just killed my my kidnapper now you've now you've done it how dare you I just don't understand of course this is a fucking act of war it's a response to an act of war to an act of war of them attacking you and abducting the daughter of the head of state absolutely idiots I think we already mentioned it but that should have already been enough to start it at all she took my daughter okay we gotta go and fuck them up I didn't tell the general area to look and let's go she's like no don't tell anyone you go is it his sister or his gf or something is that why it's more significant or is it just a randy I think it's just a security randy I think she's just a woman with a nice or something she's not like a warrior it's a nice lady it's a nice kidnapper whatever so yeah Navel's pissed now and he does like the the chant of war he does the ocean master thing he does the lancers except it's rise telecon we're gonna go kill all the surface dwellers alright cool then Wakanda are like sad and annoyed that everything is shit and then they do their hand gesture something talk about superfluous pointless shit that ends up in here for some reason cause the editor doesn't know what he's doing we have one of the doramalaje go up to shuri and she's like remember these knives the ones that when you stab people you like stuns them you saw them in the opening and you throw them back cause obviously I'm done with them now and she goes no you should hang on to those because they maybe use I think when we when we saw this yeah when we saw this scene when we were watching it in our movie theater together we were like man surely this will come up again I mean of course this will come up again that's why it's here there would be no reason for it exactly that's not the nature of my observation of this but of course it will come up again in terms of there will be the weapons that this lady will be using but we didn't need that because she already had them she already had them and we know that she liked them and does she actually use them again? yeah I'm pretty sure she's got them out when she's doing the big final fight so she went into war with those it's not like a huge focus or anything this is what I mean it's so unnecessary it's like she used them in a fight and they're like well we can't have her having them in the final fight without the obvious and then you're like what obvious obviously she would have given them back to Shuri so how would she have them now if anything oh thank god you gave these to me I might need them these are proving to be useful to defend myself I don't know why did that get attention what was the point of that it's like if anything in my mind I'm trying to be rational but in my mind I'm thinking the reason they're highlighting this specifically is that we don't forget that she has them it's that extra little remember she has these sort of scene even then it's even then it's pointless she got captured or she got someone grabbed her or no one thought she was armed or something like that like there'd be a standoff later they're setting it like it's the reminder to the audience she has them she will use them later and you won't be surprised by it they don't do that they don't do anything with this it wastes time because it literally does nothing they don't use it for anything they don't cash that check well I get it it's cashed in the sense of it was just it was like a dollar like there it is no a dollar has value hey not much value a dollar has I mean it's also about the euro it's about a dollar it's about a dollar it's about a dollar give or take it's about a dollar you know you know how it goes but but this is just worthless it was time for the first third act I guess because like the it's time for the second act low point there's such a climactic war thing that it's almost like it feels like it would be at the end of the film but no because we need more variety of action scenes for the trailer Wakanda's flooding which is strange because they never patched up that security that was just they never sorted that out so I was going to ask you guys what the fuck happens it feels like dams are blowing open a building? yeah there's just like a city street and one of the buildings essentially explodes and water just starts pouring out of it but the building is above ground so that doesn't it doesn't make any sense this is why I was asking I don't get it I don't understand it's just water these Atlanteans have the ability to somehow like make water move in time with them like they can cause like rivers to rise they're full but like how that's never exist but do they have that ability? I don't think so no they haven't shown that they would have surely used that if they did they have their water grenades that just create flood waves but that's about it not that much water grenades in people's pipes it was like oh no maybe I just it was weird like this huge torrent of water sprayed all across it and Umbaku sees this and just jumps into the water immediately he just jumps into the water he's just randomly standing around with his boys in front of a green screen and he just jumps in the water when you go into it's like rapids at that point like what are you doing you moron you're gonna get slammed into all kinds of shit enemies that can easily drag you under and just kill you look what he's wearing it's like that is not water gear my friend no that is very it's extra weight that's just gonna wait a time when he gets it all wet you mentioned that really awkward scene where they're all just like him and his buddies are just standing there together and it's like the most painful bit of green screen I think I've seen in this movie it's so bad it looks real rough and then he jumps in the water so we're happy again because that's hilarious he just jumps in the water it's like a fandoff it's like he jumps in with no real prompting and then things happen that would necessitate him jumping in like guys in the boats the boat gets turned over and he has the help of civilian but that's like after he's jumped in already they do show a clip of the boat getting turned over but the way that this is shot they want us to think that's what he saw and what prompted him to jump in but it doesn't look that way at all logistically it just looks like he just decided I'm gonna jump in because fuck it but they do indeed cut from the rapids of the water him jumping right in and it cuts hard to a calm water with him helping some people onto a rowboat and it's like oh guess that's what he was doing which is like okay fine I didn't follow that at all but that's the thing this film is chopped the fuck up and then he randomly sees like a killer whale coming at him where did that come from it got to the river it got to the river he showed him an ID card dude it's the fucking thing with mo from the simpsons carrying the whales across the land to get them into Wakanda I guess they have a river I suppose when one of the blue people gets up onto his boat and he like throws it back in and acts like he's achieved a great victory there it's like all you've done is put him back into the environment he's the strongest in you've literally done you've done worse than nothing you've assisted the enemy you're a traitor so then something real big happens you have the song begins basically of this invasion and everyone in Wakanda starts killing themselves it's just like holy shit dude there are kids everywhere like what are we supposed to take from like fuck I hate all of you both factions are just fucking horrible what is this it seems to be the EMT guys though that do it isn't it it's weird do they want us to think that you can actually fine tune it to just be specific people that's not how that works it doesn't seem how that would work it would just affect everyone they were going for that specific building or that specific area of the city like maybe they were targeting it but like these were just like paramedics and stuff exactly they dressed like this would mean like are they I thought they were pilots they were like trying to get into their ships they look like they're paramedics that's the thing they don't know they're at war yet they just know there's been a disaster so it makes more sense there would be paramedics right the name more civilization doesn't care about the fact that they're medics as far as they can those medics are enemy combatants like and this is of course remembering that they attack them without like the declaration of war or anything this is a surprise sneak attack well yeah because they lost one person after they kidnapped the literal princess of the fucking opposing faction like they did a surprise attack on another sovereign nation and then killed their paramedics like remember this is part where they show one of them jumps up out of the water onto what looks like a little boat with a bunch of civilians he just grabs one old dude and just drags him underwater to drown him he doesn't mass stab him he just takes one like I don't think the film realizes what they're doing it's like dude like telecom is just war crimes like war is hell man war is hell like okay this seems real I don't know what your intentions are with naval's faction in future but I forget this shit happened and I never will nope ugh but yeah it's since all the paramedics have been fucking drowned they remote activated all of the ships to try and evacuate people before they get drowned as well or fucking killed by all these people alternatively drag down into the water to be drowned they're trying to beam up everybody to safety because this is the thing Wakanda just are not prepared to defend themselves at all they're like they only care about themselves and yet they shatter the second they're attacked they don't have any forward outpost or just bases or any number of patrols imagine the amount of auto attack you think they'd have for defences like turrets machine AI anything right now after the dude who was the leader of this country said if you don't cooperate with me I'm going to attack you like what he kind of gave you a warning he didn't make an official declaration no but it's enough to want to prepare you're just not ready for it so then Umbaku attacks him with a club because he's a fucking idiot and it breaks and it's like can we talk about how he steered the boat like he was steered the boat in there directly with his dick oh yeah it's a stick with a big sphere at the end of it and he somehow manages to steer a boat to the right with that I'm not sure how that works I don't know probably doesn't probably doesn't that's my guess probably doesn't it's not quite at all but it works you know it's great but yeah he attacks him but Namor falcon punches him into like the I don't know he flies about 5 meters it's like it drops on yeah and this how many times have I fucking seen this in stories where I'm like thank you for the visual cue that that has killed him I appreciate it I understand that and then it's like no no no it just really hurt and I'm like yeah that's not chat it's like he swims in on his chest and shows the chest piece breaking apart very dramatically and he goes flying and yeah like when I was watching him like how they kill them they're gonna kill Mbaku they think showing a vibranium plate underneath his first layer of armor is that what they were going through? yeah we had another piece like underneath that piece but they like I said he still has an unprotected head and neck but he should still be dead yeah I was gonna say we have to talk about force again don't we we want how armor works like you can't just are we at the point where he gets punched? yeah oh yeah he fucking dead oh yeah by the way Mbaku is again I have to remind everyone not a super soldier doesn't have a super soldier serum he's just a thick dude yeah and his head went straight to the bar first at that speed he hasn't got a fucking helmet on okay like a bar is like it's constructed of wood and there's probably like metal supports in there probably vibranium because these people are stupid yeah you have like a sink in there and pipelines and kegs of don't think about it he's fine he doesn't get captured or killed they just leave him yeah well they assume rightfully that he's dead he'll assume he's dead they don't have time to deal with him yeah he's an enemy combatant fuck that guy we gotta go kill the civilians so then most like flying around with his little winged ankles and destroys every single ship they have and just annihilates Wakanda they crancing with his wings basically on his own basically on his own it's hilarious and they send like three ships that's it like three planes uh hey the west yes do you have any superheroes right now that you can spit and they're like no actually we don't because our portals and abilities to travel is powered by vibranium if only we had some I don't know if you guys could maybe look into that we'll help you out we just thought how terrible it would be if you got your hands on superheroes so I mean we just it seems really dangerous I feel like only we should have yeah it's hilarious like Wakanda the most powerful nation on earth like yeah really fucking wrecked it is funny though that if the alliance was as strong as it should be and they literally just apt in or called in let's say Scarlet Witch she appears and just separates Namor at the molecular level instantly it's like there you go we're over this is like oh my god well there we go that works out you know of course no one tried him out at a molecular level nobody from the Marvel universe nope well Shuri ship is destroyed and she's beamed out and then he runs over to the flies over to the council chamber place where the Queen and Riri are and he like real hardcore slams his spear into the window just does a little crack huh strong stuff should probably make more of their tech out of that whatever it is because everything else is getting fucking annihilated by his spear I don't know kinda weird anyway it would be vibranium wouldn't it whenever anything is strong in this I'm just like it's gotta be vibranium then because vibranium can be like formatted into literally anything but then he was slicing up the ships which are also vibranium that's what I'm saying like well vibranium can destroy vibranium except when it's glass apparently that's why it's stronger than the ship if you infuse it with vibranium to where it's transparent it's yeah you know what I just there's no any material of any kind you can just put vibranium before it and they will have it whenever they needed to do something special whatever it is but anyway you of course understand yes that his vibranium spear with full force can't do much to vibranium pain of glass but you know what can water bombs I pressurized water it's vibranium water okay vibranium water why not why not if you look at it when it smashes the windows the glass disappears it's gone there's no glass it's just water that comes through because if it actually smashed through that would shred the fuck out of Ririad the queen they'd be done so at that time yeah like it's like he discovered ultra slow motion for this movie and he just fucking uses it all the time the direction is a little bit cringe in this film in terms of there's a lot of techniques that get used that come across to be as like isn't this cool the final damning excitement the slow motion was beautiful it was stunning did he try that if anyone's a good judge of movies nowadays it's Chris Stockman I'm glad they've enjoyed this many people okay phase 4 was a fun ride don't worry though by the time we get into phase 5 everyone remembers phase 4 was just horrible everyone was just like classic give it time how do they have the ability to compress water into those little bitty grenades vibranium oh okay well alright then stupid question really they put it inside the little container and they shake it up and just wait wait for it to hit something the water they just shake up the water and it becomes explosive we got some logistics quantum water inside of vibranium shell there you go we got some difficult logistics to explain to the kind people at home game cause you guys know what's coming right with them yeah this will be hard to explain actually let's start easy tower that's where our characters the queen and riria are that's where they are following so far and you got your windows your vibranium windows oh I have windows too let's get a nice little and draw I'm pretty good with drawing so this is our tower okay let's just put the window here and then I have Neymar like frosty and he's thrown his little bombs and these are our two guys here and so there's a concern of drowning you might be like well how? it's not like he can fill a whole tower full of water so how's that going to happen? well they're knocked out and you're like oh okay so face down in a puddle I'd get them it's like no that would be embarrassing so it's got to be something else like hmm let's look at this as the actual room and let's say he can fill it with about this much water something like that so of course they could they can survive that and it would pour out the windows again so how does it work? it might like you think oh they have to grab the window because the water goes in it rushes out the window it carries them with it they have to hold on for dear life that's exciting council panel flooring that's glass and that smashes so the water all drains down this and this is a much smaller room question mark that is locked off entirely a question mark because I don't know how this works physics wise so the water fills this to the top basically this is where all the water is now these two characters got knocked out in the initial blast and they just slipped down into here and so now they're unconscious and in a you know the next floor down essentially this is very difficult to even come close to understanding when you're watching this fucking movie I was so lost I was like how the fuck did you guys start drowning in a building like what is happening well I think it's from my memory it was like this huge space even maybe I remember it it was huge it was like somewhere outside the surface and like it's filled the whole thing with water did that happen and why isn't it draining further what is this room yeah I don't know it's a watertight room underneath the room that they were in the only entrance to which was caused when one little pane of glass that was the floor of the throne room broke for reasons so that all the water could go in and when it drained it was only as high as that little broken square or something it's very weird look how huge this space is wow massive all of that is filled with water from those bombs and this is inside of a big tower yeah and there's no where it's draining it ain't draining anywhere apparently again it's just it's Ryan Coogler who wanted a nice interesting visual that would look cool and doesn't really matter about the logistics as far as he's concerned how did you get that much water in there I thought we'd like teleport somewhere else I was like what the fuck's happening this can't be the same dream sequence it looks like a dream sequence I love how when Black Panther's girlfriend walks in and the other chick the queen is just dead I thought it was funny too I go on dead got there so before we carry on Mr. Drinker I'm afraid is going to have to abandon us I honestly don't want this discussion of this movie to end I do well we're not doing too bad actually I feel like this is normalish time for us there is a lot to pick apart but yeah thanks for popping in do you want to tell people about what you've been up to on a movie there's kind of a lot going on I've got a short film that we're working on we launched the Kickstarter for that a few weeks ago and it's at like quarter of a million now so that's nice so yeah we're looking forward to making that and I've also just launched my first comic on Indiegogo so yeah it's a slightly unfortunate timing that all these things have happened right at the same time but yeah that's like a prequel to like the Rambo series that I was brought in to do and it's like about Colonel Troutman back when he was fighting in the Korean War so it's quite cool and the art style is really like a bit different and it's unique and so that's the first stage of that has launched I think it's already hit its funding goal and yeah we'll see what comes of that as well so those are the two big big things at the moment for me oh yeah I'll pop links in the description this new one Indiegogo it's called First Kill I think you'll find it by googling that at least if you want yeah so I think it comes as like a bundle and there's various options so my comic is in with this other one and there's like a drinker bundle that you can get that gets you like you know various things like dog tags and stuff because it's like the Rambo theme so yeah have a look when you're interested the Sylvester Stallone wrote this story he co-wrote it with Chuck Dixon I think so they co-wrote the main story and then mine is like one that comes with it so that was all me who wrote my one but like it was with his permission oh it's like an anthology yeah kind of like it's like creating this whole like prequel universe almost like with filling in the blanks in terms of the back story for all these characters so I think they're their plan is to do a few more and it'll be like particularly Rambo's experiences when he was actually in the Vietnam war that he didn't really get to see in the movies so yeah so yeah it's done with his blessing and his input so all good stuff alright I'll sign off and then I'll go look for them and I'll just wait um but yeah I'll catch you around so probably next week Thursday talk about we talk about what kind of forever is that what's gonna happen yeah but we'll do an abbreviated version we'll probably talk about how it's like died at the box office yeah oh yeah I would be curious to see how it's doing at that point yeah yeah it's already made a lot of money of course it did the opening weekend it'll be it'll be a heavy hitter but I think the second weekend will be interesting that's where it gets interesting as well as the staying power of a film yeah alrighty dude I'll catch you guys later see you later cheers well I suppose we should while we're shilling I think it's kind of an important one I suppose in a way my plushie got extended today is the last day today it's in 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a J myself and rags well I guess it's gonna be if the Friday night tights ones launch I'm gonna fucking family a plushie they will just chill it out together not weird at all not strange start dusting them they wonderful they're underlit yes yeah that one's on the way I think anyway back to drowning absolutely back to drown speaking I don't know how to segue that back to drowning though when you go unconscious from a big blast they both got knocked out right and then sent under water that's like a what we call a death sentence it means you have to be rescued very quickly yes it's very bad to be unconscious and then into water that's bad I'd go into more of it biologically but I'm no doctor I just know that we like oxy again it's this big old particle floats around sometimes you can see it if you look really hard it goes surrounded by vibranium oh that's probably how and so there's this moment I hate it because this isn't the only movie that does this plenty of movies oh no they're both under it and it shows a good shot of the queen she's like unconscious and she starts waking up and she's like water damage when in reality it would be another we dead but she she's very calm and collect she's like I am under water I am losing oxygen I am under water but before I panically run to the surface with my swimming powers I should look around and see if oh there's Riri and she's unconscious I must save her I just I find it all stupid as fuck it's like you're both dead whatever in reality only one of them is and it's not the one you'd think judging from what I just said not the one you think it's the how good the guys arrive the building and they find that the queen and Riri are both unconscious still presumably drowned and they start giving them a CPR and I'm afraid I can't make it but Riri does I don't know because you laugh at it I'm like I got something funny for this but I don't know if it's going to be the same thing as you I thought it was fucking hilarious that they are trying to provide medical attention they are panicking they're crying over whether or not they're alive in the background Neymar is like hey I'm going to come back later okay finish this job he hilariously delivers this line he's like she did this she did this this is totally her fault if the police come tell her it was her fault I feel like this was a moment for him where he realized he had gone too far like because he broke he was like oh this fucking window it's not my spear can't get through it I'm going to throw bombs at it oh shit I killed the queen oops oh shit oh god it's like a robot chicken it's like a robot chicken where a skeleton or that one guy beast man or whatever they're like oh shit oh shit oh shit normally he blocks it or something oh fuck it's like surprise just water fuck how did that happen how are you that stupid how did you I didn't know your floors were out of fucking glass what is wrong with you did you have a swimming pool down there he's like he's shocked how did you drown what and then he eventually settled on you know what this was your fault you did this he goes through the steps of grief he's he's bargaining right now he's blaming them no you did it this is your fault he runs on yourself really we've all made mistakes we can all take something from it we've all committed regicide it's fine but in actuality I thought it was weird as fuck that he's on literally the cusp of winning the entire thing and he goes I'll be back Leia if you don't do what I want they tried to make him like I don't know not nice what's the word I'm looking for compassionate maybe is that the word I'm looking for merciful I'll give you a week bury your dead mourn your losses and civilians but you were about to win that's all you wanted why would you stop just kill Riri what are you doing that's your first that you wanted to do and you never really did that anyway just then twice you accidentally completely objective yes they would have been funny like mission success by accident like he would have been like oh okay oh no wait yes actually that was intentional at the end he's also winning and then he says like no she's stronger it's terrible it's absolutely fucking nonsensable and you realize then oh god we haven't even started the third act not even begin there's like an hour left after this point right yeah the film refuses to stop it just keeps going because I remember looking at my watch it was like okay we should be almost done it's like fuck they have a funeral and holy fuck that was rushed too it just cuts to like we're a funeral now you're like oh shit right we haven't got the time we can skip past we don't need that much time to bleach our garments so is this where she cracks the flower thing but yeah because of the bracelet it's about that because she has the bracelet that is like the final piece of the puzzle yes the bracelet you guys remember the bracelet right you guys remember the bracelet well who wants to summarize that because my pieces are missing for me for how the bracelet came so it's like hey this is like a symbol of I don't know it was my mom's and now it's yours the rope was dipped in that blue shit and then they bracelet it gave it to the mom the ropes were the twine is like the roots right wait a minute sorry how old is Neymar well about 500 years right 500 years for a second my brain was like wait no no no it is yeah so that thing survived for that long and it was created in that way thus it stole as technically the DNA of of the stupid seaweed plant and that means that Shuri can then synthesize the flower power out of it that was because it has like yeah it has like the roots were grown and it's got like a vibranium the plants got vibranium in it or something or it had like vibranium soil something like that and so she used that to somehow synthesize a magical power flower with the vibranium in it ended up being the secret ingredient that she needed to be able to recreate flower power yeah okay because fuck it why not if they say so I guess there's nothing else that was made within like vibranium soil and in Wakanda you needed to get from someone else I don't know I'm confused like why didn't it grow the weird seaweed vision where it makes her a blue fish person why did it make her a flower power person yeah I don't fucking know man there's people putting question marks in chat as well and just like I don't know yeah I didn't even catch that I just I thought you was just looking at the weird bracelet and scanned it whatever so anyway she makes it she takes it she goes to the ancestral plane because that's what happens when you do this and she meets up with fucking Killmonger I thought that was a really weird way to get him into the film because they clearly liked him as Killmonger but they I don't know why they killed him in the first one you need to explain to me because I don't understand how this plane is supposed to work who's supposed to the Wakandan sort of like after life realm in the first film T'Challa when he drinks the plant he meets up with his dad again so you're supposed to always meet up with like the last Panther I think you're meant to meet up with somebody who's like significant and important to you I guess the problem here is that it really should have been T'Challa but of course that's not an option so that's why they probably went with Killmonger because well let's be fair it should have been him yeah it should have because she should be there and we know that she's there they wanted my movie Jordan's Killmonger to be in this movie and this is the only way they could think of doing it yeah it was weird for me because the way I know it that way is like it's probably your current mindset that what you do the person that would fit on that would appear and this time she's like vengeful or whatever and then Killmonger appears yeah that's some real stretching around like that that's how I understood it because I didn't know about the plane at all that's what they want you to think that's what the film is trying to tell you I think that's absolute horseshit there's no way she's thinking about Killmonger at all in all of this and to Charla they would be the main people that are going to be on in mind and yeah Killmonger is here isn't his question of his he's like so why do you want this power or rather why did you do what you've done she's like to get the power that he's like so we're not so different you and I just like okay I find this hilarious because Belle if you don't know Killmonger's whole thing in Black Panther 1 was there was a guy who was a part of Wakanda who was sent out as like part of different secret missions to just keep an eye on the world and he felt more needed to be done to help the world outside of Wakanda and he had a girlfriend who was from just normal I think America and they had a kid together so that kid is technically half Wakandan Wakandan I guess you could say that and the council decided to not take care of that kid and leave them in America that kid grew up to be Killmonger he was getting really skilled with the army and stuff and then he found Wakanda and then challenged for the throne because he's got royal blood then he said we need to now kill all of the world leaders and take over all of the world to make sure our people are taken care of and he's referring to just I think Black people in like America are unwilling to not only kill the leaders but all of their children to make sure all of their bloodlines are eradicated which is not even how a lot of political systems at this point work but sure fight and that's where he becomes hyper unhinged and he destroys all the Black Panther stuff and he actually beats T'Challa in a trial by combat and takes over he was a fucking crazy man why do people like him so much then the performance is a good act to fight people I mean yeah I guess with a lot of characters and Marvel the writing is awful but the performance is usually good and so the idea that she would see him now when there's nothing that parallels these characters at all well because this is a brand new theme that gets introduced which is basically this is Punishury is what's about to happen for the third act Punishury which feels like it comes out of fucking nowhere it comes out of absolutely nowhere because they didn't know what their through line for Shuri was they couldn't figure it out and like if it's just grief I don't think it's consistently reinforced like at least not effectively he bites Nakia's head off when she comes out of the ancestral place just shouting the fuck out of her and it's just like what are we doing what is happening and it's really awkward and basically yeah she's having to make a decision of will she let her vengeance guide her like a sense of doing what's right in regards to day board I'm sorry when did this happen I don't see the components for this when were we doing this arc this feels like it's come out of nowhere absolutely came out of nowhere and yeah it just feels like a different movies payoff that they're actually borrowing now because they struggled to put the movie together but we unite Wakanda once again under the Black Panther leadership because she synthesized the drug and took it herself that's enough in this world to just become the leader like I made myself super strong and super fast now you guys are gonna do whatever I say right you know about lines up with Wakanda that's what they do whatever so we prepare for war exciting I think war is like a what about the Black Panther did you mention that she's got one now well yeah it was a problem for me what's wrong with that I'm just saying that she's got a new Black Panther she has one she's got a new Black Panther she does the arm wrestling thing with Mumbaku it's just not believable she's got hypersuperpowers what the hell I had to step out for a moment did you mention the fact that they abandoned Wakanda City they did they moved everybody up to the mountains mountains where the fish can't get him I guess but name work can fly so I don't know what that really solves honestly you can imagine they finally land and then he's just on the top of the mountains going like this won't do anything you have 5 days yeah I can fly out of the mountains you're just gonna throw a bunch of water bombs and then you fucked whatever he will drown you if you're in the fucking space you'll just drown you just use like a cloud of water floating towards there's like no not here too don't get me yeah and we do the Ibambe thing where they're like yeah we're gonna do this now I was a little bit confused here was there a reason they want to go to war with the water people in the water because that would look cool for a movie fight no it's like Waterworld with Kevin Costner and that was a good movie I'd rather watch Waterworld than Wakanda forever I think the the reason is they go there it's because they rebuild the weird vibranium finding machine and then they get alerted and they're like oh no now we need to check it out and then they want to ambush them with the water sound machine that they have on their really big submarine okay I'm not saying it still makes sense but yes you're right though Wakanda have an enormous submarine thing and it's just funny that they have that it's not even a submarine it turns invisible I thought it was underwater when they first launched it and it rose up oh I think it oh yeah I'm pretty sure it did in their land logged thing in front of their military base apparently they just have it in there and then it comes up and it's like oh they have that oh right right I remember I got what you're saying yeah yeah yeah interesting they never use that for anything it just shows up when it was underwater but when they actually use it like on the ocean and everything it's just a normal ship it's just so much shit going on this ship it shoots like sonic blasts out into the water to try and fuck up the the watery people all the water people start trying to climb the sides of this big ship and the response from our guys isn't to kill them it is to desperately hope at knocking them back into the water which is not gonna do tell me what for that doesn't make sense they repel down they repel down and start swinging at them but like they don't repel down by having it attached to anything it's a bunch of guys up top have to hold on to the rope while they're doing the fighting on the side it's that one tribe as you pointed out before we got the Dora Milaje and that one tribe they don't remember there's a whole bunch of other tribes oh yeah the other tribe that have like the blankets that make this super difficult blanket shield yeah we're in our own prison have you ever did you ever see the ever see Great Wall um I know they had the people who would the chicks and the hoops yeah the chicks and the hoops hoops that would jump over the side of the Great Wall to stab the monsters and so just waiting for the monsters to get to the top where they could stab them and hey at the very least they were living in like older times where they didn't have guns or artillery or tanks or well neither but they were very useful out here in the middle of your but like air support you know well it I mean it wouldn't really mean anything I suppose if you're just because your army doesn't have guns or anything anyway because you had guns you'd shoot down but if you just have spears and shit you you wait for them at the top they can fire blasts so why didn't they why didn't they do that oh the spears can do that do you want to do that did they like because Ryan Krugler directed both films so he like forget like that that's something that I don't know he didn't care but we have some of this talk about okay we have the arrival of the completed bitch in iron hot suit whoa that it's oh my gosh that is so cool it looks like a power ranger it looks like a metabot this was particularly I forgot to mention she built that she built that in the week yes this is particularly awful because this is like there's like almost a legacy of Iron Man and this feels like some weird person snuck in and corrupted everything ruined it like what are you doing exactly what happened why did you know it's bad enough all of the characterization we've had and all of the logic behind the materials and resources but this is the design really I can't imagine the ones that they didn't think were good enough also I guess this is something I know that the emcee doesn't care about this but like really is not like a combatant is she like just actually okay we're jumping into combat and killing people killing people it's fine we're having fun we're having fun here killing all these people and yeah like exactly and it's like I don't know man like why do I keep forgetting like people are dying here like I don't know is she really like so nobody dies yes we have to direct everyone's attention to the abysmal fucking choice to implement cornrows into the top of her helmet what in the hell is that what are you doing why do you hate black people what are you talking about why do they think that like she's called iron heart so we're gonna make her red in a heart which is a clunky ass fucking heart it looks like it looks like a chunky kid friendly V that's been stretched apart and then they fucked up the coloring the right hand side of it I don't know is that like meant to be glare or something wait that's just blue what is that I guess that's just part of the design I guess so something that really helps when it comes to selling the iron man suit in the old films was there was a sense of tangibility to it like little scratches and marks and dents of course I think in Iron Man they actually used reference like a real suit that they built and then they used that as reference with the visual effects but it's still like carry through even up until about Avengers where like the suit felt really tangible it's new there's no scratches on it yet she's never used it before I mean that's true right off the factory floor got that new suit smell tangibility it's I I am I am tired of nanotech I gotta say cause we oh we haven't even gotten to the super suits as well for a Coye and her super suit oh yeah no that's look chat we can't drop that all on everybody at the same time no well I mean what you think it's gonna be an overload of like they will leave it's just I can't believe their cringe meter will overflow the impression that I get in terms of the deterioration of the Iron Man suit in particular I think that like you can trace it to how much visual effects is required for everything else like it probably was the in Iron Man like yeah it's a relatively expensive movie but like all of the visual effects effort was concentrated on well a large part of it rather was concentrated on the suit and making it look really good and it's like well yeah we've got this suit but we've also got Wakanda as a nation which is like all CGI except for a few streets and then we've got all these crazy CGI the dirt roads yeah yeah like there's so much that you have to do that it's like it just reduces the amount of time that can be spent focusing on any one aspect and so then you end up with something that despite the technology being 15 years more advanced in terms of like visual effects it's just something lacking in tangibility here that was lost like just a loss of like I don't know what it is it doesn't look real to me like the Iron Man suit when you look at it feels like something that could really exist this doesn't aside from like a prop you know what I mean like aside from feeling like a really a really cheap prop um I don't know what it is it's just yeah there's something about it it's everything about it every aspect I hate it it's the design of it it's been CGI'd it's just the presence of this character like I said the justification of it to exist is terrible and it goes against that they work so hard to build it all up in the first movie and this one they're just like fuck you it exists the only reason it exists is because of merchandise they have the proto suit for merchandise and then they have this one for merchandise but then she'll get a new suit because I mean there's a spoiler they don't let her keep this so she'll get a new suit in her own show so that's another opportunity to sell toys when you start to think about the fact that like they will keep changing the costumes and keep doing all of these things for the sake of selling toys it makes so much more sense like why every single film they've got new suits and uh man it is such a pet peeve but nanotech helmets I hate them I hate them so much like to me it feels so emblematic of like I mean it wasn't like these costumes and these designs were very intentional in terms of like the full costume and the mask and everything like we can just happily get rid of that and it's totally fine because you gotta see the actor's face it's not like a character can emote through body language or their vocal performance you gotta see their face at every opportunity including them taking off their helmets in the middle of battle while there are a bunch of enemy combatants around and potential dangers like in Halo when he's taking off his helmet like John Halo is taking off his helmet in the middle of battles or like just putting himself in immense danger for no reason at all I'm just yeah I'm just tired of nanotech helmets that really bug me like Nakia doing her assassin mode stuff she had the nanotech helmet like they all do and of course this this is probably all nanotech because fuck it everything is just nanotech and yeah but the worst instance is yet to come the worst instance is yet to come and I mean also it seems like an opportunity to not have to build anything practical if you have a nanotech helmet you never have to build a practical helmet like at least with because I'm pretty sure the guys in the CGI dungeon they'll take care of it I'm pretty sure Robert Downey Jr. like war and Iron Man like whenever you know how it used to be the face like that would just slot open I'm pretty sure he'd like war a helmet like that that had that like that it was a physical thing so that they very least had to do touch-ups on that but now it's like well no we got to get that thing totally off where they probably don't have like an ant-man one or any of these anymore I just don't like it I don't like it it's an annoying trend I like the costumes like I like the comic book costumes I like the way that they look and it's like taking away a huge part of that personality sorry the plan is to get Namor into the ship and then make it so the ship dries itself out with like heaters and stuff because that's likely his weakness they have to yeah they decide they have to dehydrate him that his power comes from being moist so they have to demoistify him they have a flying they have one of their little flying ships that's been I guess retrofitted to have essentially like a microwave inside of it and they have to get him inside of that ship so they could demoistify him and they do then somehow yes the problem is he still got his vibranium staff and she just lets him keep it oh it's so funny what he's like I have trapped you in this environment you'll screw it now and he's like okay so I'm just going to destroy this I'm going to destroy this real quick I didn't think of that you could have foreseen this I didn't say you could do that I'm going to stab him in the floor over here excuse me I'm stabbing it you can't stop me hey stop that stop it stop I was winning the water people destroyed like the underside of the ship because of course they fucking do where is this some lady who's got like a fucking tech version of the active elements of the ship and she shows that happening it's like you you were I mean what if you would just put like some guns under there you didn't put some spikes or something well they put their sonic cannons but they got destroyed easily so just like yeah why didn't they put a force field there we know that they can generate miniature force fields no not under water free that's right water the one weakness of the vibranium super duper shield thing you need to have depth charges there's nothing that the people can do to survive depth charges they're incredibly powerful you just use them but they don't because they're dumb they release like like a thousand thousands of water bombs underneath and like rocks everybody a whole bunch of Wakandan's fall into the water I'm pretty sure they're dead of course they're gonna get grabbed by the fish people and swum down to low level so they can't breathe they just show them all just get screaming as they're getting slashed and dragged into the water it's like yep that's yeah that's right well Kahn's getting fucking murdered like they get fucking annihilated it's no chance at all but yeah Neymar attacks the ship enough that it uh it crashes right just off shore it really crashes into the desert because that's the drama right now is that all the fish people attack in the Wakanda to the point where they get and spread real thin and losing real bad while she's boss fighting Neymar very exciting just like a first movie big ol' armies fight each other while two big bosses fight each other and uh actually I think the roundabout now right they get an introduction to a certain element you know there were people when you showed the picture of iron heart and you said no no no there's more cringe to come they would be like you're not you can't mean that like obviously you're just joking you're being yeah that's a good beam but can we continue it's worth mentioning like you just got a bunch of plot updates chat they're supposed to calm you back down because now you gotta tell you about something else is going on they set this up it was beautiful you might even say there was some armor being worked on earlier in the film yeah they let you know about it so there's no way you can complain about this coming out of nowhere or something so you might have thought like if this was a thing why didn't they do it ages ago you know because they could make armor suits forever I don't know what prompted this now um and I guess Akoya's got a new job back to yep well the queen died the one who fired her is dead so fuck it like does it really count to that point yeah um I'm trying to get like some what is the best way to introduce this there are many dames given to this this armor in terms of funny things to say but it's like the three bigger more important Kingsguard or in this case I guess Queensguard now Dora Milaje people yeah they're all given this this armor and it's basically Iron Man armor too by the way yeah pretty much it's uh pretty much is so yeah I kind of find something what do you say they were called midnight angels midnight angels I think it's called uh midnight angel yeah I'm sure that there's gods there like I didn't hang off and some people I don't even like alright I've got it I've got the image there you go oh you've got it as well okay sorry this is it um what the hell is going on like in terms of this design I didn't know that Helen Keller could get a job as a costume designer why does it look like the predator yeah so the first thing you have is predator I think but also like weird futuristic predator like what what the fuck does that have to do with Wakanda sometimes I wonder I'm like is this because it's like 100% accurate to the comics or something like what what why does it look this way what is the connection it's accurate to being shit it seems like really like a bad idea right if you've got long things hanging off the back of your head someone can grab that they also have like little uh tassels around the waist as well you see them all floating around yeah like it's all just these things that can get in your way and can be grabbed by enemies like remember in the Batman like when Batman got grabbed by those dudes and dragged by his cape it's like there are like you know like when you have like long flowing things like parts of your suit they can get grabbed you got to be careful about that but this is definitely like designed over function or like you know aesthetics more important than the function of this clearly they thought about aesthetics first unfortunately the aesthetics are shit yes he's like really bad um and they look even worse when you got the nanotech helmets coming in and of course the coye is wearing this and um it's like I think my like I don't like this suit at all anyway my decision with this probably would have been let's have the whole thing come down but they decided no let's have half of it come down yeah it's a shame it was a fun half it looks really really bizarre what is this and like oh I can't we can't show you it to you I wish we could but there's um there's animation problems for both the reary Williams has it as well did you catch the part there's a part where she has a mask down and she is talking to someone yeah it's that tracking problem they had an infinity war with uh in uh looks fucking weird moving correct so awkward to watch and I felt bad for the actress because she looks like a clown no other way to put it couldn't have to deal with this why it's kind of like um some kind of futuristic alternate culture uh thing with like maybe the back of the head has some kind of like she's plugged into something that's technological or biological that's doing a thing like that that's how it is literally just weird armor and she's looks awful in it it's so awkward but you didn't need to take the helmet off because with the helmet at least creates a more cohesive look but we gotta see the actress's face we gotta see their faces otherwise we don't know how they're feeling why keep the back half on I don't know why because I guess it would look weird if nanotech was like the tinderly bits we wouldn't get away with that we would be sitting here saying why the fuck go to the effort of doing all of that shit but whatever reform in four or five frames like a lot of them do anyway so that you can kind of just cheat you don't have to show much of that happening guys like I wonder how much of this is real like this suit Robocop head it does look a bit like Robocops head yeah doesn't think it's bad that's the conclusion we're coming to ugh and the three of them wear this shit yeah and it's all like anyway because they're losing somehow I don't understand how they're losing when they go four iron men maybe to cut away to them and then when we're back they're losing to put it all together and saying this is so in this movie we have first Riri's suit that she built herself then she builds another one in a week in Wakanda then during the movie I don't know how much time exactly passes while those midnight suits are made she made two of those and she also prints the Wakanda Wakanda power the Black Panther uh a flower not seed flowers I think she prints the flower immediately it's not the seed so it doesn't matter so that's four incredibly powerful things they just built for themselves and then they still lose and you know so just the power levels are completely fucked they can mass produce the flower they could just 3D print them at their leisure yep they can build more of these suits because they have all the vibranium in the world basically like Wakanda shouldn't be so fucking shit at fighting like they shouldn't lose well they absolutely shouldn't be they shouldn't lose they nearly lose entirely yeah they're moments from loss some people are like wow she just looks like Sub-Zero and I was like we went from Predator to Robocop to Sub-Zero only the three genders but her helmet like removed all of the things but the other one didn't but not for a Koye there's just something funny about that it shows look how capable they are and how great they are inventing stuff but then still fucking lose yeah no like I said I don't understand for Iron Men lose to fish people I don't understand that maybe if Namor was there and he was thrust in the fucking all kinds of magical bullshit vibranium spears like yeah sure maybe but he wasn't even there and two of them are even trained fighters still like they're one of their highest well yeah um a Koye one of three on one with them when she didn't have her Iron Man on it yeah so yeah they should be good as a long time ago things have changed but yeah they get fucking annihilated like all of them except like a handful but we'll get there nobody important dies chat don't worry they're all yeah it's all the that's all the loser soldiers you don't care about they're different than the people why did they do this to her looks terrible I wonder how that's sticking on there how is that on you how is that remaining on your head nanotubes done nanomachines not fair you can make things look cool you're allowed to do it you're allowed to do it you didn't even have the decency to steal somebody's cool design he had to come it's yeah so Riri and Hera fighting bad guys at the same time and then they both kick them off and then they both fall at the same time the film's cutting back between them both like how cool is that it's like they both fine though they're in the war yeah it's water and then Umbaku gets Falcon kicked he'll probably be dead again but he's fine he's alright he's got a name so he'll survive but seemingly it's all over and then we cut back to the boss fight happening and so timing wise with how it all gets resolved pretty sure everyone should have died Riri's winning he's doing a good job just dominating and then Label falls down right next to his spear that I guess he lost and then he just fucking runs it through with it it was in the sand yeah it's just there in the sand because the ship explodes all the pieces go everywhere and he just happens to land next to his spear that's just there in the sand and he picks it up and stabs her he stabs Shuri like right through the middle like a log like a broken tree trunk like right through the gut it's funny because like there's just trying umph music right before he stabs her like and that's a win and then it's like nope it's worth mentioning as well he's depowered because he hasn't been near water in so long and so now he's like wobbling toward the water yeah which I don't know whatever fine with the timing I'm saying it because of all the other stuff I'm just like whatever okay like whatever but then Shuri has a moment of like am I doing this for vengeance or am I doing this for justice will vengeance consume me and I was just like shut up shut up it seems like they're trying to do the parallel to the Civil War thing with T'Challa the whole vengeance is consumed they ain't ever getting back to Civil War quality we done with that shit like actually trying to sell to me like Shuri's so close to being consumed I'm like when the fuck were we doing that when was that happening just telling me it's happening came out of nowhere well so shouldn't Shuri be like annihilated like she's not trying to fight at all isn't she you automatically have all of the fighting prowess once you flower I guess I don't know you get very good at fighting and you're willing to kill people without any issues alright that's cool does she say Wakanda forever and then her ship explodes yes that's exactly what happens burns him up I think it's not meant to be that the ship explodes but the engine fires even though the whole ship has been destroyed and it can be matched up in exactly the weird name or standing and it fucking surrounds him in flames it looks like a big only his back gets charred hard to the point where you know that will be gone in the next film they start flashing to the fucking drowned corpse of him mum like she's thinking about killing him I just thought it was funny it's something about that image of Angela Bassard just floating thanks for letting me out of the movie she's like no I won't kill you and they become friends and they both announced the end of the war which was just like no it's so funny because they get picked up by another ship and then they fly all the way back and they're both hanging on the sides like asslanders people hold down what should have happened is he sees like oh shit they fucking annihilated all our enemies I'm just gonna turn on you right now and win imagine summarizing this to anyone outside of factions you're like what the fuck was happening between you guys you're fighting to the point of destroying each other's entire civilizations because you're worried we might fuck with you if we find out what you have really that's the core of all of this we're busy like we got stuff we're doing I don't know and she was like also angry as well like I was also pretty angry yeah this weird thing happens when she has the staff up to his neck and everything starts reversing like everything goes in reverse like the water damage and Wakanda goes in reverse and they're showing all these clips just going in reverse for some reason I'm gonna be honest with you though I actually started to blackout I was so done please let me escape oh sorry whiteout whatever the equivalent is isn't that what they started doing in Pokemon games but calling it whiteout instead of well they say faint right or whatever it's like you the character when you lose it's like that you say like ash blacked out but now it's like ash whiteed out I think you might be right I don't know if they still do it there's fainted because of the pressure of I lost a Pokemon battle I suck I don't know I don't know because Pokemon faint you don't faint you potentially faint but with different terminology no that's a different I'm talking about F-A-I-I-N-T not F-E-I-N-T oh wait like I'm not talking about a move in fights where you faint a move that's what that is right I know about fainting where you get knocked out I know what you're talking about I didn't know where the other fainted came from oh I thought that's why you're getting confused wait you're saying that it's weird because Pokemon faint like yeah humans faint as well no I was just saying it's like Pokemon faint but you don't faint you black out or like Rack said eventually why can't we have humans faint as well humans do faint that's what I'm saying that's why I'm saying it's kind of odd right in the Pokemon faint if you've been in the Pokemon world don't so the play let's say this is from Bulbapedia the community driven Pokemon encyclopedia the player will black out Japanese lose hope or plunge into darkness when all the Pokemon oh my god lose hope of maybe finishing the battle or something well I also said plunge into darkness and you didn't bat an eye at that who knows what's going on over there for you but I'd rather lose a bit of hope than plunge into darkness personally but the player will black out when all the Pokemon and the players team faint this is comparable to a game over screen for the Pokemon games it generally occurs in battle but can also occur in the overworld due to the effects of poison prior to generation 4 in English releases of the generation 2 and 3 games the Japanese releases of the generation 2 games and Pokemon Heart, Gold and Soul Silver the player will instead white out or in Japanese plunge into white in English version starting in Pokemon let's go Pikachu and let's go Eevee the player will instead be overwhelmed by their defeat both of these are identical and function to blacking out so I don't know I don't know why they changed it I might actually look around because I'm curious why they changed it from blacking out to whiting out because blacking out means whining so so here's a question why didn't they just have it be like oh you lost you lose I think it's because you teleport to a checkpoint or to a local winning I think they wanted to try and make it big sets that you teleport I guess instead of I don't know if I need to teleport I can just be like yeah you lost and then I don't know some time passes you back in the town the Pokemon center yeah they could definitely have done that instead of you get plunged into darkness I think so faint is into like go unconscious or whatever faint a move is to like fake having a move at an attack faint is a move where you do something that's like I think it's embossing I think that's an E and A and an E yeah yeah that's what I was saying to Fring I don't know if some people have heard of the way F A is to pass out F E is to faint with an E is like I can't remember specifically it's like a deceptive or pretended blow thrust or other yeah yeah fainting a move a faint and a faint that English is annoying anyway anyway because yeah some people are like clearly never played Pokemon it's like I I've done my time franchise I ain't going back yeah there's some people talking about why they think the answer might be some of the some of the stuff is let's see when a Pokemon runs out of HP in a game they get knocked out KO meaning they faint like you said faint is being knocked out so it wouldn't really like you wouldn't faint if your Pokemon got knocked out so it so I guess they changed it to where you sort of in the like in the bulb of pedia you're talking about how you like disappear into white or something like that it might be referring literally to how the screen turns white for the for you the player and then you see yourself your character in the game go back into the Pokemon the Poke Center so they might lessen the confusion of oh like I get I faint like my Pokemon faint in the battle I was like no I guess I want to get rid of that confusion and in doing so they made it somewhat more confusing in a way even though in a way it's also less confusing even though it sort of is very strange I wonder what the reason was somebody else hypothesized that they wanted to it was a potential drug reference where people if they're really high they black out quote unquote and I think I might be a Japanese thing so they wanted to maybe not have that potential connotation that's another theory I've just read now but who knows I would be curious of what the actual reason is because it because I know when I was a kid and I played him I mean like white it out white that doesn't make any sense what does that mean very strange which is about as much as we can do to distract from finishing the conversation but pretty much to the end I don't even know yeah summarizing it it's like there's peace now question mark well I mean it's like oh yeah I guess we're chill even though like the casualty right for Wakanda was like a lot of people died a lot of people died killed our queen you attacked our city well yeah Wakanda was giving up a lot here and Namor has lost nothing more or less and I guess it's also worth summarizing like the choice Shuri's made she's chosen to guard the secrecy of I'm already forgetting the name telecon right tell that's what it's called telecon like she's got a she's going to guard their secret which means like so you're going to cover up for their or their actions and you will kill anyone who gets anywhere near any vibranium detectors presumably like you're covering for like a rogue state like that went out and killed a bunch of people well that's the choice you made is the suggestion that Riri will refuse to make another detector I mean but like I guess a more plot critical problem is like so is Wakanda taking the fall for all of those things that happen including happened in Boston and the boat are they taking the fall for that I guess so because if so like you guys are in some serious trouble like you're in a lot of trouble that's only if there's consequences for will building which which I think yeah I think that the film would basically consider that to be forgotten like that's not even a relevant thing that that even happened but again in terms of character implications that you would cover for Namor and telecon after all the things they've done to your people and also the people innocent people in other countries as well like jeez like okay that's a choice to make well when the FBI managed to catch up to Riri they're gonna be like a new detector and she'll be like nah I guess why what happened what what did because you were abducted by Wakandans right and if she's like no it wasn't like well we know you were because we were there in fact they might have footage of her getting stolen by the fish people back well they they almost certainly do like they've got that footage there's no hiding the secret of that of society and that's assuming that the boat didn't have any footage on it either like the boat had no cameras at all didn't capture anything and of course the wreckage of the the wreckage of that like we're pretty good at figuring things out like working backward and figuring out like when a plane crashes or something like they would probably identify that the helicopter that crashed in the ocean would be like inconsistent with any sort of weaponry because it was grabbed by a guy and thrown into the water you know like I don't see any world where you even cover for Talakhan anyway but like the fact that you would I think is like pretty pretty bad that you would do that and like you're also in terms of global cooperation that's for sure like you're not helping anybody like yeah who cares about all those people who got killed their families have no answers or presumably they believe Wakandans did it but who cares about them right or any answers that they would want or the people who got killed in Boston or anything who gives a shit like it's not like they were people had families that might want to know what happened to them not like they were the citizens of a country that may well want to know what happened to them yeah exactly the rest of the Wakandan soldiers and yeah they'd have to keep quiet too like everybody would have to stay quiet nobody would send an email nobody was it would send a tip to the police or the UN nobody everybody would have to be quiet if I was some guy in Wakanda and like I saw one of my family members get dragged into the ocean and murdered and then it's like are there any like war tribunals or like are we doing any proceedings in terms of the war crimes that were committed nah yeah if my wife was killed in battle I'd be like man I'm pretty upset about that actually yeah all the medics who walked into the ocean they attacked us and like civilian area without declaring war absolutely like and it's like oh but all of Wakanda is going to keep that secret I don't think so I don't think so I sure as fuck would my government has allowed the deaths of my family to go out of edge I would think that my country had been conquered and was a puppet state of the underwater kingdom of the underwater people yeah that's the only rational explanation for them being complicit in their secrecy like it's the only thing that makes sense because yeah what we're left with is basically that Wakanda has made a choice that's pretty bad for their own people in terms of like trying to get any level of justice for anything that happened to them it's really good for the underwater people though the reality is that their time is like running out in terms of being able to remain a secret and in terms of fostering further global cooperation it's pretty bad which I think Namor even acknowledges that Wakanda has no allies it's like yeah they probably don't anymore yeah because you've been addicted to everybody you're on your own you wanted this this is what you wanted you covered up the war crimes of the underwater people you just chose to cover it up because you don't want to deal with having to go to war with them over something that you publicly at the UN basically said like where the custodians of vibranium you elected to take on that role in the world to take responsibility for this and taking responsibility for means I guess taking the fall for them like publicly that they're going to take the fall for all those like all of those events that were being investigated by the CIA and the FBI and everything but I think the film is forgotten about that I think they have forgotten yeah so I guess yeah they will take the fall for all that that's right which from a plot standpoint is like serious in terms of ramifications of the world wars have been started for less mm-hmm like I said if it was Russians who did that to us then we there would be a war which which so there's that there's the flower power has been fully redone we got loads of it now just totally redone no consequence for that just be for shuri and eventually it'll be for someone else who is alluded to because we do a little celebration for who's going to be the next king queen whatever and it's kind of weird because I think the introducers like here comes shuri and then the ship opens up and it's some Baku and he's like alright we got a fight to the death do you know how it works I'm challenging yeah and then I think the application is like nobody's going to be challenging him and so he's going to become the next king of Wakanda well surely someone would I mean it's a country there's someone out there who's going to be it would be a never ending you misunderstand I'm saying oh don't think about it oh yeah they never know what the fuck they're doing they leave it open to interpretation so they can say the king is whoever we want it to be in the next film well it's they're basically they're like hmm I don't know if we met up around our mind on who we want to be the black panther like why does the queen get to be queen like after after t'challa dies how come his mom gets to be queen doesn't there have to be like a fight well it's yeah is that not a pal vacuum she gets to just rule because she gets to go to the UN and just go to the fucking waterfall hit each other in the head and then decide who the king is you fucking barbarians and then get back to business why is she still why does she have any position how could I mean let's I guess in Marvel world is the case but I mean let's be real how could a woman ever lead that country there's it just wouldn't happen if it's trial by combat it's going to be like a guy 99% of the time who wins the thing especially if you know that's a really big guy like him yeah it'll be a guy like him who trains for it their whole life his spine in half it wouldn't be like it would be well and he's a trained warrior and yeah if you know that's why she isn't if you are a denizen of Wakanda and you know that that's what the political system is you would have countless people from each tribe who are just ready at a moment's notice to do that fight and win just in case the king dies for any reason that would be like the entire career of you is to be trained in one-on-one fights specifically at that waterfall so that you could win and those would be the only people who would ever be king because they'd be trained their whole lives for it that would be their only purpose of existence is to win that fight and be king for the tribe not a good system we saw what the consequences were there was a guy who won the fight and then try to start with the whole world yeah yeah but he was good at fighting so he's fit to lead I guess guy representative republics constitutions fuck that shit that's I think the reason why I think the reason why that scene exist is because they want Mbaku to be the Black Panther that would be my guess they want to leave that door open so that it's definitely open and yeah so that they could do whatever they want in the next move they could threaten the tisha right like look we can do it at any time okay you anti-vaxxing whore yeah which is she burns her funeral clothing and she's gotten over it or whatever credits is there anything anyone wants to say I'm still done talking about this it's it's I like the scene I like that scene I guess in a vacuum yeah there's a big credit sequence yeah okay yeah I left my theater before the credits happen so I didn't see that they introduced to chala's son he's got a son yeah and he's called to chala oh well that's not very imaginative my best guess is that that's meant to be reflective of like the impact that storytelling and characters that are endearing to people can have that they essentially can kind of exist on in new people that would be my guess as to what the point of that was which I kind of appreciate what's brain into this I think that's what they meant I think so it's just a cheap thing so they could bring in a new black panther it was some kind of cheat code they got planned I don't know there's no way that's that's some deep message I don't mind it I don't know I would probably go with fringies interpretation I still think there's a lot of stuff they meant in this it doesn't make it meaningful like that's what they intended well yeah I know whether or not you think it's meaningful they wanted it to be good I mean like I said I still feel like that opening and closing scene feel like very disconnected from the film itself they're like these parts that kind of exist without it cause we've talked about how the film is like very thematically confused I've seen a lot of people say the film is about grief I kind of think that's like consistently reinforcing the film we have got a bizarre and annoying and frustrating plot line that's got nothing to do with anything like the absorbs 80% of the film so plus a lot of the film is trying to be funny and jokey so little this film seems to have less jokes than a lot of Marvel films tend to feel like they kind of hit the brakes a little bit on that's definitely jokey it wasn't as funny as she-hulk okay that's good well I mean I like to win in Baku what was he eating I think it was a piece of beef jerky I like that that made me smile I like to win in Baku I ate some food that was funny when he ate he ate some food very charismaticly alright well no he's the guy I would be like we could at least draw that out of this best like he's fun well he might be Black Panther soon really? I'll put it this way Black Adam was funnier than Wakanda yes Black Adam was funnier than this film I thought Black Adam was better than this film it is better than this film absolutely is we were so easily ready to say absolutely Black Adam is better than this movie that's how bad it is Wakanda forever is like very consistent with Phase 4 like it falls very much fits right in it's a question right as like the conclusion to Phase 4 of the MCU what does it sit for everybody disaster doesn't cover it 2 out of 10 I'm not sure if, yeah something like that probably in that category cause nothing like virtually nothing works in terms of plot or characters it doesn't break space and time but it doesn't same damage to the world building or how it ignores it I think that puts it squarely in two two territory yeah so like it probably sits somewhere in the middle I mean it's at women level really absolute fucking mess they've destroyed a huge franchise they took ages to build yes it still makes money but I believe it's making a hell of a lot less money than it could make well Black Panther will be an interesting litmus test because the first film made like 1.23 billion made a lot of money how much will this one make it's gonna be an interesting question and they all said no would it make it billion how much is it making it's first weekend well the first weekend I think it's already made 150 million I think and that's not including Saturday I think that's worldwide not domestic I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with less than a billion and put it in that like Thor 11 Thunder kind of spot multi-versus madness spot where it's gonna get hit really big on the second week I can see it getting hit big in the second week but considering multi-versus madness made like 950ish million and Black Panther the first one made so much money I could see it beating a billion I could be told any result and I could probably be like oh okay I'm just gonna throw a wild number out there like 750 little over 750 I think that's too low I think that's too low I'm gonna make a billion it makes 750 million I think what would be interesting is would it become because Top Gun is the highest grossing from the year does it beat Top Gun by a considerable margin by the way yeah by like 400 million I don't think it beats Top Gun I don't think so either because people talking a lot of staying power yeah people everyone said it was good and it got everyone to go see it and it kept being a consistent performer week after week and these Marvel movies they just don't seem to have that they just they have that big opening weekend and then seems like the trend is that it really tanks after that well one of the things is repeat viewing doesn't seem to be much of a worthwhile experience for this one it's such a dull movie for lots of it I guess that's because I guess the more relevant question is like what is the audience response to the film gonna be and I kind of don't know I'm not sure what I would say with the audience response I don't know what the staying power of this film is that's why I said 750 because there's no way that people are gonna sit through this shit like in droves like every week it's not gonna happen it is too long 41 minutes I I don't know I didn't know it was gonna be that long when I watched it I was like holy shit the bell was the one that let me know that I was like oh fuck I was legitimately angry when I learned about that yeah me too especially because Ragnarok is taking it now so I think I was just looking as a stream on and I was like type in and then someone says like yeah it's 2 hour 41 minutes I was like excuse me how long is that movie it's like 2 hour 41 minutes I can't be right and then I checked it's like Doctor Strange is 2 hours yeah that felt like that already felt like 3 hours and way more happened I think this film is also longer than Eternals which I think means it's like the second longest like film Endgame is the only other one that's longer I think Infinity War's shorter I'm reading on Deadline so apparently it's projected to make in America 175 to 185 million opening weekend which I think is the highest opening in November like ever and apparently it made a couple million more than Doctor Strange in its opening night preview like Thursday night preview it's depressing that people are going to just flock to this shit it's legitimately depressing it's it's not a very good movie it's 2 out of 10 it's terrible it's horrible I know but it's just like in terms of figuring out the scaling at this point for like Phase 4 you just have to like sort of it's like fights between 2's and 3's and 1's it's incredible it is a bottom heavy scale that's for sure and now next we have quantum mania going on and there's like a fucking weird I don't even know what the fuck is going I don't even know what does it even fucking mean it could just step on them with my boots and then they're done there's a question between the atoms you couldn't do that how do you breathe oxygen when you're small in oxygen particles I don't know it just doesn't make any sense apparently Kang isn't that movie some version of Kang so yeah just give me something low stakes just give me something so are you going to watch Echo? because that's probably going to be like as low stakes as it gets the fuck is Echo? I'm not watching Echo I'm too busy watching Agatha oh yeah they're making the Agatha short too nothing nobody bullshit they just bearded buddy I don't get it phase 4 is over I'm just going to read to you a list of the projects that are coming out of phase 5 just to get a just to make us angry Atman and the wasp quantum mania of course Guardians of the Galaxy 3 which I'm looking at I think it's the only one I'm really looking forward to saying it's only one left it's only one left what about the Christmas special in a couple weeks right? I'm not sure about the Christmas special we'll see and after that is the marvels so Captain Marvel sequel and then Captain America 4 Captain America New World Order oh no that piece of shit I don't want another retread of Falcon and the Winter Soldier written by the guy who did the reboot for the fresh Prince of Bel-Air wait did he write is there a gritty reboot for the fresh Prince of Bel-Air? yes and he created it he's writing for it jeez it's real look it up the first episode is so funny look it up please god I will next up is Thunderbolts we all started for Thunderbolts starring it's like it's Suicide Squad but Marvel basically I think the team is Yelena David Harbour who do you play? the Russian guy he's in it and it's got Taskmaster as well but not the real Taskmaster it's the one from Black Widow and Ghost I wonder if anybody here knows who that is Ghost? that phasing bitch it's gonna be funny yet I guarantee you Rags will be like once you tell him but there's no way he'd be able to remember without the villain in Ant-Man and the Wasp I don't I have seen that movie I have seen that movie listen I have seen Ant-Man and the Wasp I specifically for whatever reason have seen I did see it who was the villain her what was her power I saw that movie with my boyfriend, ex-boyfriend and then we broke up I did it she took me to Ant-Man and the Wasp we're done if only she would have took me to the zoo we'd be together and then the other two I think it's got Bucky in it Ant-Hero team for some reason and your boy US agent John Rooney yes they are yep definitely and then last but not least or maybe it's Blade PG-13 Blade didn't that get shut down it's delayed significantly I don't know what's going on they have no director Wikipedia says to be announced they don't have a direct that's important they have writers but not directors well it might be better maybe it will be better if they don't have a director yeah who knows and then we got like several TV shows as well what if season 2 are you all excited for what if season 2 why you don't sound happy about that I'm not happy about any of it it's all horrible I feel like Desmond in the first episode of smiling friends secret invasion which I'm sure that's going to have no world building implications at all they're going to be catastrophic and then there's Echo that's up after that and then Loki season 2 fuck Ironheart Agatha and then dead of all just lucky last I'm so worried about that one we're when you just go to that list of films and tv shows any story told by anybody with bullshit in it can get you a bit like powered up to laugh and boba but once it's done then you sit down you're like look at our fucking sea of disgusting crap that is just like all come out you know what this large pipe flow and stuff it's just like it's filled the ocean it's all out now there it is look at it it's like that foil was still in the Gulf of Mexico it's like awesome it's just everywhere and you look at the pipe and you're like that's enough it's still just pulsating in terms of so much gushing from the pipe you're like wow yep that's not stopping it's not stopping someone hit a switch or something dear god come on let's get that dinner I'm so glad I don't care anymore they killed it they absolutely I feel like this is a bit of an end of an era for us in terms of like we've gone through phase 4 because it's absolutely the transition of me caring to not caring at all oh yeah it's guardians 3 and that's it because I look at this list and it's like how many of these do I want to watch it's like one of them I only want to watch one of these everything else it's like I could happily not watch I'm just wondering how the fuck we get to an Avengers movie I don't even know who's in the Avengers right now probably nobody does they don't even know they probably have new things now about that iron head iron head the bronze kneecap like the bootleg of ventures yes I'm assuming this is the case for all 5 of us but like this is not a movie we go woohoo the new Marvel thing oh no it was bad this is alright I better watch this so that I can talk to other people about it I mean that's what I said in the beginning right this wasn't our job I guess I have to yeah which is it's become so sterile like in lame nice one and this is they're leading the world for storytelling like dice not only they're leading the world in storytelling but like this approach to delivering material like films the content you know like how it's you can call it content now like seeping into other things everybody wants to franchise like this starting to influence a lot of like I mean like trying to I mean Star Wars is essentially being franchise now in a similar way to like what they've done with Marvel like Star Wars always been a franchise but now it's like transitioning into the same formula right you need like television shows consistently coming out in the streaming service several films like as many films as possible ideally it's um it's bad it's it's really starting to like influence the film industry in a negative way I mean I guess it has for a while but like it's getting real this doesn't have to be a job you know you can cover good stuff we'll watch it we do and we're excited to do so well someone didn't watch my last forge because I watched The Incredibles which was incredible also like three months I did a weekly stream talking about how's the dragon basically every episode was above like par so you know and that's hopefully someone we're going to cover on e-fab eventually of course we just went through the final destination arc on e-fab movies those movies were exceptional absolutely I watched all kind of western front recently that's a pretty good movie cool and you've got myself, Metal and soon to be Fringy playing Ragnarok which is doing well so far so like it's great and we mentioned positive stuff here and there this is just the Marvel arc which will be ongoing you know and it's usually yeah to be fair I did like the soundtrack for Wakanda forever most of it most of it I thought it was so overbearing I couldn't take it yeah for this movie for this movie I think it would work with something else just not this shit I separated the music from the the movie and you know it was good most of it some of the songs were ill placed and it's like this poppy bullshit what do you think of the Rihanna song at the end? this is a Rihanna song? yeah definitely yeah the Rihanna song is like the credits one you know well now that I know that I'm avoiding it I'm not going to because I thought I just said please so cover as much in phase 5 dude I'm not going to be able to cover as much in phase 5 when this like oh the Harkness and Echo shows are like I'm not watching why would I know I'll get a summary from somebody I wonder if it's a case because like the the trend with phase 4 is being surprised at the ways that you can break a story I don't know if you can I don't know if there's any other ways I think they maxed out didn't they they broke it in universe and out at maximum levels like you annihilated it so what's phase 5 going to do I don't know and I have the same crazy time travel bullshit as Loki or the insane multiverse like consequences multiverse of madness or just flat out like kind of rendering everything to the whims of a robot like in She-Hulk I don't know I don't know if it's and I mean Thor Love and Thunder was like pretty cataclysmic as well in terms of cabbage that one takes the prize of like the most tonally fucked film in the in the lot I assume absolutely set in the record for just making fun of the snap in universe for the people who some of the people who are most affected by that good stuff hmm probably a lot less mouthful going forward yeah what I'm trying to say is that sometimes we will not cover a thing we will partially manage it I'm saying now it's not even we're at the point where I'm not even sure I'll be seeing a lot of what's going to be coming out I'm not sure which ones I'm going to pick I'm just because I guess it's just too much and it's too unreliable in terms of enjoyment factor do you have a no I never mind just never mind I was going to say you told me something you told me a funny story but you're going to see this movie so I didn't know if you wanted that oh that's just me and you special little story yeah that's special insider info um oh that's it I mean what do you say we are what we sell in the tin I said we talk about Black Panther in the end of phase 4 there you go we did it yep our promises have been paid our promises kept fuck off I'm really glad I watched that movie instead of playing moral god of war I was going to say we've almost hit six hours six hours of not playing god of war yeah that's not nice I had people complaining to me when I had to stop the stream now because Efeb is going I was like no just don't go no no I suppose it is time to check out some messages oh god 1am all right we'll go for a decent chunk we'll see if uh depends on how many we got here I'll do it because Me Rags and Fring is still recording um catch ups more will be will be out there's been loads of things going on at the time so trying to so I'm just going to jump right in also well I would like to stay long but like to bow out for any way shape form well I got some editing to do so yeah unfortunately I have to go fair enough but before you all righty then want to tell chat where you're at oh you go oh the only reason why I'm here damn it uh all right yeah I'll work I've been watching that interview with the vampire show lately it's really shit and I'm coming out with episodes every now and then and I still got more she-hulk stuff to put out and you know other reviews that I'm going to be working on and releasing later you know in the future it's about it for now um are you excited about any media coming out that's that's non-ser huh no even if I am like it's so few far few and far between I forget about it uh man uh not really oh wait wait wait there's the Santa Claus film with um with fucking the red guardian in it yeah that guy it looks it looks kind of funny I might check that out well all right hey thanks for joining us it's been fun what a great movie to have a chat about I'll catch you around the interwebs where yep thanks for having me bye bye bye ready then favorite ELO songs evil woman is mine evil woman's definitely up there um oh favorite it's really tough I've always liked hold on tight confusion uh I mean they it's legitimately tough to say ELO made music for so long and they encompass so many different styles and they have so many good um so many good ones that it's difficult to say I bet most people probably would almost default to mr blue sky I think that's their most famous especially nowadays um but it's really tough to say I love I really love a huge amount of their stuff I don't know if I could pick a favorite all it has I'm yeah if you're gonna say what it's almost like a better question ask what was their favorite album in which case I might I might go with time or discovery or I don't know even that's a pretty tough to say El Dorado was another concept album but so was time a lot of good stuff a lot of good stuff uh running shine recently uploaded an amazing and hilarious video on clenoa 2 in fact running shine is excellent and criminally under view fair enough running shine I don't know about uh uh clenoa does this franchise really have any of it either yeah I got I no knowledge of it myself I'll take Skyla white is a bad person even at the start no wait say that who Skyla what have you seen like Breaking Bad I can't remember I've only seen a just a few episodes yeah uh Skyla white she's a contentious character I'm not sure if I'd go as far saying she's evil a little bad person there's a conversation to be had about all of her decisions but season one probably not discovery or I don't remember it's been way too long since I watched that especially season one hell a lot of good stuff what do you mean didn't say anything because I wasn't talking mostly so it was my voice I was talking this is metal he's your friend um I'm scared I don't know what's happening um yeah I don't know I need to hear the argument basically um Howard Hamlin was one of my favorites I really like the actors the performance so that's a better call soul character hey I I'm inclined to agree one of the favorite I've been liking Sonic Frontier is probably still too autistic by EFAP standards but it's a big improvement big improvement on what well I think something I hear is that the movement and like traversal is pretty fun but like on like the previous game is it well the previous one the main one I think was forces which I'm pretty sure everybody hated ah I think yeah I'm so out of the loop on Sonic it's unreal okay I just want my boy Shadow to get represented he needs more games Shadow the Hedgehog too come on do it Howard because I won't be able to listen live I'll just get it out now if you read the books you'd know Wakandan's have two stomachs ah there you are there there's the in-universe explanation yeah that's why she can get stabbed through one of them fuck do you remember that the outrage of us not knowing yeah the flume plumes have two stomachs yeah the flume plumes have sixteen stomachs and they're yeah yeah ah Kenobi worst it makes sense it's catering to the real fans you see um how's everyone doing you playing cool are you playing oh cod you playing you playing cod and thoughts I don't think any of us have touched mom with it too right no I don't care I I would care if you guys cared and only in by but but otherwise no I only March and even then only marginally yeah I was gonna say like if you guys had talked about I'd be like oh okay but seems like it's it's passed under our radar so Fringy J Longboat why is the movie made for you bad it's not here I think it's bad for all the reasons that we talked about in terms of plotting character writing theme well-building you know I guess they like if they've got a spear five and a half hours like yeah just you know rewind this this get all five and a half hours you're in for an adventure you know what let's put it this way this came in really early and so we were like this that we weren't intending to talk about Black Panther today but that super chat came in like you know what extensive answers maybe accidentally accidentally a great only place thumbnail is best of weird online interaction hold on best let's see curious now as well pitching it up able to get us there I'm too stupid to type so yeah that's I want to see my worms I needed I need picture form that's the dare well JK at last the impression is perfect for the response to that I want to see my worms oh that's a new one this is high Phyllis's Phyllis's I'm trying to give all the Phyllis's I know from from like Meteor and Phyllis is a name Phyllis Phyllis Diller which one's that from I don't know I'm I can't think of a single character actually called Phyllis and I know that I I'll go to she's a comedian I've only heard the name I'm just learning what she looks like for the first time she looks like a crazy lady Phyllis Phyllis Phyllis Phyllis Phyllis Dean I mean I know the word Phyllis Dean but I don't know if anybody's called Phyllis Dean Phyllis Dean Phyllis Dean yeah Phyllis Dean Phyllis Dean I don't know there's somebody in the world potentially called Mike Roch like someone was looking for him at most Taman but he wasn't to be found I remember the I remember the one where it's just like hey everybody I'm a stupid moron with an ugly foundation a big butt and my butt smells and I like to kiss my own butt the pull is like as he's trying to remember exactly what the name was oh wait a minute would you say this movie jumped the shark but it jumped the killer whale it jumped the whale I suppose yeah was it an orca or was it a they had a most they had a several yeah so they have all the sea creatures at the beck and call the range until they have to refuel um they're not quite that range like whether they they're just like in the whole ocean yeah that answers my question they probably have areas right like a lot of creatures probably have areas based on currents and temperatures and things like that probably it's just that Wikipedia has the map of the world and it's basically all blue except for like the Baltic sea some inland seas parts of the Arctic Ocean they have like range over the whole planet apparently um I've got two this is this is what I got for it so I don't know yeah this is that one specifically excludes the Yucatan Peninsula is it Yucatan or Yucatan or is it Yucatan oh alright hold on we need to know just call it the thing just call it the peninsula that's a good movie it's one of the people the only one it's the only one that exists in the peninsula don't think about like Baja California or Florida or anything like that or now I know Europe's a continent it's not it's sort of it's part of a continent you know like it's it's kind of well I guess you got Iberian Peninsula that's a nice big one Scandinavia it's considered peninsula as well isn't it I don't know if it's considered one it's kind of one like I see what you mean is it too big maybe I think it's too big at what point does it become a peninsula rather than just a huge chunk of land I wouldn't consider India to be a peninsula I was about to say but like if it's Florida like Florida that one gets the Yucatan Peninsula yeah I'll get yeah sure that one and Baja California is really narrow so I yeah we sure but like Alaska wouldn't be called a peninsula nobody's looking at Alaska yeah that's the peninsula of Alaska what if the MCU writers at some point claim that the reason everything is getting more insane and first drafty is because the multiverse is breaking down after Loki and so we're seeing it progressively collapse until some character is able to recognize it for what it is and it's this big reveal that's quite the coping there my dude if they let me do that like I would totally engage with that I would actually do that I mean it's like make Mephisto behind everything I would make it this huge nonsense bullshit like crazy set of fever dreams and all the characters going through and that none of Phase 4 has happened they'll actually in their heads and I would probably play up that their imaginations I would work so fucking long and hard on this to try and make it like each of these projects is supposed to represent what the characters themselves are going through and I would probably want to start with She-Hulk and be like you see how her imagination portrays her as perfect because that's her main issue she's dealing with is she's got extreme ego problems she's not the most important person who controls everything and you're like what's Doctor Strange then it's like whatever the hell we can draw out of that movie you do what at a time and try to figure out what the fuck we tried to I don't know Thor went to the planet where Roy the video game is and then he trips over and is like well what the hell where am I like it was all just bullshit I don't know I think at this point I would accept it as just like a bad dream yeah we're already in the don't careville so just keep you just do something with it yeah go for it I would like to say though while I was looking up the Orca range I accidentally pressed F into the Google search bar and for whatever reason these were the things that popped up as suggestions Facebook Fox News find a grave well you know what do you casually need to find a grave I've been there just something people really want to find a grave so which is worse Batwoman Loki the Falcon went to soldier She-Hulk I think we can knock out Falcon went to soldier and Batwoman it's between Loki and She-Hulk yeah probably in terms of which one's worse you're saying yeah is it She-Hulk? technically I think it is She-Hulk because She-Hulk does damage to because it's outside it literally says that now all the movies you see they are movies they're not this isn't actually like a world trying to be a world it really is canonically just a bunch of actors playing characters in a TV show that Disney runs yeah like every piece of analysis you had previously is all bunk now it's all robots being controlled basically will simulate none of it's actually the robot controls Kang it's above that and it doesn't only control Kang it solidifies that Kang is just a guy playing this dude in this TV show that's what Kang is my friend said they cried in the movie laugh my ass off divorce your friend well I can see that being more than reasonable playing people were really invested in just Chadwick Boseman not even necessarily Black Panther so it makes sense I can belay really shit movie I don't know but but Fringy J Longbone you have to love this film I gave up my tickets and barricaded the entrance so you people can see it it has to be you people wait a minute we cycled all the way around I know I don't like it I don't like this you expect me to talk no Mr Bond I expect you to die rags burst into the room then why don't you shoot him rags before starting his academy for villains exactly if they would have all gone to rags school for the nefariously inclined then this wouldn't be an issue because he would have just shot them all and been done with it to be fair it's funny they're referencing that scene of all scenes because it's in GoldenEye because he was like Bond would have died but Bond like made up some bullshit on the spot that convinced the villain in terms of like this information he has access I'd have to watch it again it's been it might have been like a decade since that film but I've seen yeah a lot of those older Bond movies I just haven't seen there's a lot of Bond movies I have not seen the same uhhhh I had to read ahead because this is like just in case it's friggy's sake not it kind of me and Mel's sake too but God Will Ragnarok is incredible just got to the part where Baldur rises from the grave and says it's Bald in time and his hair falls off through Masterpiece his hair falls off I saw that part today it was awesome I like that you had to read that it's like why is this bullshit yeah okay it's it's Bald in time I still love the Morban the like the I don't know Morban memes this shit I wonder if they got to make a second one like I wonder if they think it's worth it or not because they're still pushing ahead with like Craven, Madame Web and stuff they're still making their Sony Marvel movies I wonder if like Jarlith is like trust me they will go and see the sequel I'm sure of it like they wouldn't have this level trust me lost time listen guys an ironic dollar is still a dollar okay we're DC we can't be too picky if Fringy is anything but a bird then rags if a fox drinker is an eater metal is a leather and molars eyes are blue that is all metal is a leather like leather processed animal hide I don't know I'm not sure I get that is that the opposite of crying L-E-A L-E-A-T-H-E-R yes I guess because instead of a metal like the ores that have been processed and refined right like a metal you have leather which is animal skin which is the opposite of metal or I guess it's really isn't even close because it's like I guess I look somewhat fox like but what were you my eyes are blue oh well I don't see a consistent through line here because you're definitely not blue eyed metal is very different from a leather but the fox one I get that one I look somewhat vulpinish but in Fringy was what a oh god they said if he's anything but a bird then he would be a no then everyone else is all those things like I actually am because Fringy is a bird I guess okay all right it's fair enough that's yeah see I like how they grandstand about colonizers while they literally took Greco-Roman Atlantis and converted it to Aztec for politics feels like my hobby was colonized by Activit maybe it was Lemuria or something I think it's just like I don't mind like having I feel like that's a you don't see a lot of like Aztec or Mayan kind of a yeah you don't see the Mesoamerican kind of styles and a lot of things and it's neat yeah it's really neat they were really nothing with it they did do nothing with it they had them play the underwater they had the game but underwater that was it that was as far as they went we've done our job we did it well but I guess if you were like a super duper big fan of Namor there might be I guess like what the future stories look like you know stories that leveraged lands and all that stuff I don't think this guy we've seen anything to do with it yeah the wings and the wings were just because from what I've been told about Namor mix is up to a different guy Namor is a mutant too right so he's like that might so he's gonna be showing up an X-Men or something maybe he was an X-Men he literally is an X-Men and then he took the juice his mother took the juice and he became like a super person with wings on his feet it's just as suffer well my friends you bet anything for anything for our adoring fans we watched it so that you didn't have to that would make a good that would make a good like catch phrase someone should do that nobody would do that that's too crazy what's worse for the black community Wakanda forever or red tails I'm so sorry you deserve better films I remember I remember it I never saw it it's the that's the George Lucas movie right I believe so I never saw it but it must be pretty bad if it's getting put alongside Wakanda forever truly the red tails was about like daring pilots who shot down the Luftwaffe and stuff like that like that's pretty you know that's an endearing story about heroism in the face of that's fine I guess we're fucking and this is just a bunch of bald ladies stabbing with spears and nonsense like this was like this is legitimately could be an alternate universe this is offensive so I don't even know EVD capacity is about 5 gig blu-ray is 25 bit layer 4k blu-ray is about 100 gig also the flash drive okay option would have worked for last gen but the read-write speed this gen is too fast hence Microsoft proprietary fresh so is the issue that are the actual discs themselves too expensive to make it worth it well I kind of model warfare 2 with 150 gigabytes which I think it is had a garden it would just be worth it as in like the difference will always be worth it for them I don't know didn't like games towards the end on Xbox 360 like have multiple discs so they'd be like the install disc and then the play disc that's always an option the question what I'm saying is it would never not be worth it for them to transition over to having a EVD level disc that just activates a download it would always be worth it oh yeah that would be in terms of would it be worth it for them to purchase a high tech enough disc that could hold the entire game is a blue is a blue ray whatever CD that holds 100 gigs would that be would that be so expensive that it would be worth it or would it never be or would the disc itself be just too expensive to where they wouldn't get people to buy them if they had to be on those discs I don't think it's a matter of like cost in terms of on the consumer I think it's ultimately that um digital is preferable because of course your profit margins way higher and of course the disc is always gonna be like a blue-ray disc is more expensive to manufacture than a DVD yeah I assume so that's the question yeah like if you had to pay I have no idea what they cost but if you had to pay for disc then at what point does the disc itself cost too much where they're just like nah we just can't do this it's officially just not gonna happen I don't know I don't know what the cost is Hamlet without the prince of Denmark I thought that was Hamlet Hamlet was the prince of Denmark maybe that's the idea are they trying to compare it with Neymar oh wait I think the play is called Hamlet prince of Denmark and that's the play we generally just call it Hamlet in common parlance common parlance but Hamlet dash prince of Denmark I think is the name of the play so Hamlet without the prince of Denmark might be like you're cutting the name off in the same way that you might be cutting off Black Panther from Wakanda forever oh they could be going with that meaning I think that's what they mean I got you I got what you mean I never knew that that was officially what the play was called because we all just call it Hamlet I know when the four of us are just hanging around talking about our favorite plays and things we all just call it Hamlet we don't ever say Hamlet is dumb I call them old hammers old hammers I have that sort of connection with it old hammers uh why didn't you use the magic balls that fix the balls did show up at certain points in this film but not as much as facts because they're hyper open um you talking about when they were trying to save the ground queen just fucking stuff a bunch of balls in their throat they'll probably save it right oh no don't do that I don't know man I don't know if it works at all you know I'm just saying I think in the comics the reasons Wakanda didn't expand is because their gods only gave them a certain portion of land just like in the Old Testament and expanding would incur their wrath well that's that that would I think that makes more sense than what we've got in this movie where they just say they just didn't like oh okay this this universe they just stop for no reason at all um Lord Longbong of Meweslington Abbey is there any good chance of a Kong fap Peter Jackson's long Kong when there's less going on a movie fap for the ages yes I wore wagsies but a good boy oh hello thank you very much I think there's a chance that happened it could happen part of a different arc I'd like to talk about a big monkey monkey he's a long monkey too a long key if you will there really isn't a good way to deal with dead actors you either recast kill offscreen meaning the death has to not be plot relevant well killing offscreen doesn't mean it's not plot relevant you can do an offscreen death that's plot relevant the death could be literally what launches the plot of the movie but that event happens offscreen like how do we deal with this character being killed or dying and creating a power vacuum or something along those lines the point is don't do it like the rise of Skywalker the dead speak they'll also be on screen via creepy deep fakes no good answers none of these are preferable really yeah they just preferable to each other I guess sometimes it really we don't want any of them but like yeah you have to commit to something walker not a five ever walker not a five ever this one says buy rags for media that's what I'm not going anywhere if I do go anywhere it will be I don't even know where I would go who else would have me I'd make my own place trying to be different everybody says hi rags it's like buy rags that's very clever he's saying the opposite of what people normally say that's a subversion of expectations drug of genius really some good writing that's good stuff what kind of man baby would hate that I'm just saying it's cheaper to make the blue rays because there's less compression at least for time when they move I didn't know that because I have no idea how that works but that would be interesting I have no idea either alrighty you have to keep in mind the people who writing this believe the line to end racism you have to be racist back that sounds so clunky like if that was the like you gotta do back yeah you're racist back at him until you back at him until you're racist you're taking that racist war is what condom is still restricting immigration these days I was thinking of moving there for a better quality of life oh also play DDLC I don't think you'll want to move there they got drowned recently by crazy-fished people let's not they get drowned in the middle of Africa so let's not Where's Jay? Who's dungeon do you have him in moob? Hello? We just had was that six EFAT movies with Jay? And as far as I know, they literally hasn't watched like any of the Marvel shit. Yeah, the logic is like as soon as it's recommended, I'll check it out. It's like I have not recommended anything yet. Once there's a topic that matches you, because you guys have had a lot of Jay Longbone recently. She just loves this cringe, loves watching your Marvel cringe. Oh no. She lives on cringe. That's what gives her strength. It's like blood to a vampire. They had Kingsguard ready for attack. Why didn't they warn France that they knew the attack was coming to get them back to back off? You might have to say that again. Oh, okay. So they knew that the back ops people were coming as they were prepared for it. So why didn't they do anything in terms of like politics in terms of like fuck off? You're sending a group here to come do shit. Don't do that. Yeah. That's a fair point. Yeah. Yeah. What happened essentially? Assuming that is the case as opposed to they were just waiting there for the day that someone might attack, which seems a bit weird. Finally, why can't they just distribute the vibranium and send Wakandan's to report and regulate its use where they can. That way they can help the world and make sure governments don't use vibranium with ill intent or at least credit. I just want to skip to the part where it's just like what do you think they're going to do with it that they can't already do with the incredible technology it already has? Like what are you really worried about? Because ultimately like you need to get it to these places because you have immense medical technologies as a result of vibranium. You can ask them like what are you going to do with this? It's like we're just going to build a super MRI machine that fuels everything. Oh, great. And then you find out, oh, they made a rifle that shoots vibranium bullets. Damn you. You've ruined everything. It's like, sorry, sorry. Let me use it again. Yeah, not all problems. You make spears. Plus, we only have like a cut. We only made like plus wars aren't really, I mean, I don't know how much of a difference it really make, but something I don't know if it's clinical anymore, but like in Luke Cage, there was a plot point where are they? It was like underground weapons that had been made like the Chitauri bullet. So they had used Chitauri tech to make a bullet that was like could like penetrate body armor. The reason why it was plot relevant because it could penetrate Luke Cage is otherwise impenetrable skin. So like even as far back as when that show came out like 2015, 2016, they already had in the MCU like crazy alien tech. And I mean, we saw it in homecoming right with with Vulture. Like, I don't know, man. Like I'm not sure. Like, I feel like the cat's out of the bag already in terms of crazy alien tech weapons and everything. That's the thing I need. I need to answer the question. What is she worried they'll do with vibranium? They can do it already. Whatever you're going to say, they can. You know, what would make an interesting plot idea was if the leader of a very powerful nation like could be like the UK Prime Minister, the American president, something like that, if they were very, very sick or had a like an accident or an assassination attempt, and they needed Wakandan technology to save their life. And Wakanda said no. I'm saying, man, we're getting close to that dwarven situation rings of power with the elves. Don't know. And it's been years, many years, and they're still fucking around with it. Oh, you blame your your political adversary slash. It could be your friend does well. Wings quote of the day. How much to play? Oh, so how much to play ball? We'll fit to $200. $200 buys you two hours of mom will fit to. So he's asking. Oh, my God. $200 in order to play mom will fit. Yeah. Wait, what? What? Who said that? Wings. And it says in brackets, if EFAP thinks this is unfair, just remember, God ruined his life. He doesn't believe that God ruined his life. I remember they were students when he was complaining because like he wants to play Rainbow Six, but people don't watch when he plays Rainbow Six. They watch when he plays college. That's really weird. Like the idea that you're like, oh, I'm super into Wings, but only when he plays card. Is it because he gets angry with Card or something? Probably. I can see that. Like he said, because the beginning of the end was that match on Bog. Yes, it was. I'm from my controller. Oh, God. He wouldn't have challenged whatever his name was syndicate to that game. I mean, it was probably inevitable, but, you know, still. I'm late to the Obi-Wan discussion, but remember the floorboard scene with Kristoff Waltz in Inglourious Bastards compared that to Riva reeing in the streets of Tatooine about Jedi. Embarrassing. I don't want to compare this. It's not even fair. A different universe in terms of class and craftsmanship. I love Inglourious Bastards. It's not fair. Yeah, awesome. I like milk. Yeah, milk's cool. That's good. Yeah, milk's pretty good. Milk. So they spam this ability to kill you with a song, right? Because if I had that ability in a game, I'd spam it. It's weird because when they do it in the city, like in Wakanda, they have like four or five of them doing it, and then they throw like one grenade at them or whatever they throw, and then they stop forever. It's like, oh, okay. It's funny you say it about game things. That's when I had an errant thought about, because we were talking about it, would it work on Thanos? When you have a game mechanic like, you know, for reference, you know, like Medusa's head, it's like you do that and you can freeze enemies and go to war and then smash them. It's like, okay, cool. It's like, we would never, ever be like, oh, does that work on a boss? It's like, no, it won't. It just won't, because like it would be ridiculous. Imagine using that and it just frees and you win. It's like, no. And it's funny because in the movie universe, you're just like, well, there's really no reason why that wouldn't work on Thanos. And it's just so funny, the idea that like, we can't stop him, everything's thrown at him. He's come, then some random fucking fish man just goes, and then Thanos just punches himself in the face and it just caves in. When you sing, it just makes you spin around on a circle forever. As you sing it, you just go, and people just keep spinning around in the circle. Dude, how fucked up would it be that they all just watch Thanos kill himself by punching himself the face over and over until the flash is out. He just falls over. They're like, we did it. That was really creepy. And I don't want to think about it, but we did it. The fish people like, yeah, you're like, yeah. Yeah. We saved the universe, but how come I don't feel so good? Are we the baddies? Devil through the week is glare, glare fruit, which allows the user to see through everything and read the minds of others. Remember to remember this. This costs you the ability to swim in exchange. You have the ability to see through everything and read the minds of anyone. So here's the issue. I don't really, a lot of these powers giving up swimming isn't a big deal, because I just, I never find myself swimming. If I'm submerged in water, something has gone horribly wrong. Gonna check if you're in Wakanda somewhere. So the issue is this is a very useful and very powerful ability that is extremely dubiously ethical. Reading minds is not. Seeing through walls is mostly chill, but as you just wrote this, any time if I was to read someone's mind, I'd feel really bad about it. Yes, I would feel really bad about it too. Seeing through walls is fine if they're your walls, or if it's a wall of like a building that it's a public, like if you go to a, yeah, you know, just, just, yeah, I know you mean to see through it. Yeah, you know what I mean, you could go there anyway, but you could just see through it. That would be fine. But looking into people's hotel rooms, like now, however, if you were in the military, like a SWAT team, if you were a firefighter, if you were in like search and rescue, that could be incredibly helpful and beneficial for all mankind. But I am not one of those things. I, it's one of those I like to think that I would be ethical with this, but to be able to read people's minds, what does this person think about me? What does this person really think about this deal or this negotiation? How do they really feel in this moment? I mean, in the sense of you could use it in a way as well to where you just want to understand them better in a good way so that you could like legitimate, like if you were a therapist, oh my God, imagine a therapist, like being able to read people's minds, especially if you signed a waiver that said, I'm, I, as a therapist, I have the ability to read your mind and truly like know what you're thinking. I think that goes towards problems though, a lot of problems for the actual person, because even if you agree and then you're struggling to have thoughts and then think about your thoughts, meanwhile, someone else is also reading them and coming to their own conclusions when they don't have all of your history and your understanding of your own process, if you understand it. But even just to know what they really like are thinking in terms of like, you don't have to like empathically share their emotions, but to be able to know that they're angry at this person or they are rationalizing things in this way, that would be incredibly helpful to helping them to be able to identify the problem. Well, as long as you said about like signing a thing, like as long as you get that element, because like I could totally picture some patients being like, I can't handle this, like I can't have you in my head at the same time I'm trying to figure out my head. Which would be okay if you tell like, if you leave this, you can leave the room and we just don't need to get another therapist and I can't read your mind, you know, but then that would be an element of it. But I think this is one of those like if a good person uses this for good, you could save lives, you could legitimately help people, but if like a nefarious scam artist or something like that, you know. We've all had thoughts that we dismiss because like that was a weird thought. I don't know why I thought that. You know, if someone else reads that, they might go like, whoa, and then you go, no, no, no, that's not anything. That's not anything. I guess I would assume that's part of the mind reading because the person who dreams of like the weird fantasy, they know that it's a weird fantasy. So that would come through in the mind reading, where if it was a genuine desire, then that would come across in the mind reading as well. I mean, if it's to that degree, okay, it's like an understanding. Yeah, like in like the intentionality of your thought is kind of part of what the mind reading would, what I assume it's what it would entail, but it's like many powers that can be used for, you know, doing terrible things and also doing really good things. So if a good person uses it, then I, and I'd like to think that I could be ethical with it, but I know I, you know, fail here and there, but I don't think I would ever, it would be tough for me, especially if it was like in a personal relationship thing. There was, yeah, I don't know. I, it's tough to say that one, because there's, there's so much self-control that goes into it. And I think I have decent self-control, but that's tough being given that kind of power, especially when you know no one could catch you. If you don't like tell anyone, you could never ever get caught. That's a tough one. In the game, Marvel snap, cards cost energies. All cards cost one. Killmonger's card effect destroys all one costs. This is because he kills children. Okay. He lives up to his name. Children monger, death to children. Kill, children, children monger. Uh, these MCU movies are just trailers for the all new, all different Marvel comic book characters. Doctor Strange, America Chavez, Wakanda Forever, Riri Williams, the girl who's the key to everything. Well, she wasn't, I mean, in this, yeah, she was, they made her super important in terms of like, the entire plotline rests on Riri's existence, but at the same time, it's like, what was her character again? It's like, I don't know. Yeah, I'm just there and going, same for America Chavez for the most part. How close are you to giving up on watching the MCU? So we already missed out pieces of phase four. I think that's going to carry on in phase five. And I don't know what it would take for us to just outright stop though. I'm not sure. Because it's still worth keeping up with to some degree culturally, especially because there's four of us with one of the biggest selling platforms. Like, see what what is up if it became like completely like no influence from the MCU on anything in terms of the industry. Probably I'd have no other reason to say at that point. Don't know when that's going to happen. No, it's going to take some time for that. Uh, the not Atlanteans were pissed because the blip put a hold on their reruns of golden girls. Oh, that could be it. SK owns you all thump clap thump cast fears. Okay, I don't even know what that means. As a fellow physics student, I can tell you that smart ones are stuck up and arrogant. I'm sure there's nice. I'm sure some chill. Hey, don't know if any of you are covering smile cheapest horror scenes years of all time. It has consistent fear flashes and spooky music for three fourths of the time. So I've heard of that movie. Apparently it's made a shit ton of money. So well, yeah, flashes are really it's like, I think it's one of those. I don't know if it's actually bloom house, but I'm pretty sure it's one of those like types of horror movies. And I think it's like made a lot of money. Let me see. It had a budget of 17 million and it's made 205 million dollars. Is it? It's not actually apparently was originally going to be man. In keeping with the decision to paramount to not release films in. So apparently this was meant to come out in Paramount Plus and they decided to release it theatrically and it made 205 million dollars. It's the same with Top Gun because Top Gun was it was Tom Cruise who pushed to keep it in theaters and then it made like 1.4 billion dollars. Jesus. I still haven't seen that. Have you not? No, it's fine. I'm pretty sure all three of you have it except for me. I think I'm the only one. Yeah, because people start talking about it and then all of a sudden all the sludge happens and yeah, I don't know. I'll watch it eventually. Eventually. No, you won't. Shut up. Don't tell anyone. I did. He just did. Damn it. No one's watching. We'll be fine. Okay. Based on the map Shad showed on his channel Wakanda was next to a big lake with access via river. Why didn't Wakanda simply damn slash place vibranium nets across the only water access to Wakanda name or hat? Because the queen didn't give a fuck after he showed up. So many questions. Because after he infiltrates from the water, she doesn't go oh shit, I guess they could go underwater. We should do something about that. We should put like mines or something down there. You might be able to doesn't the United States have like like if anything answers like the airspace of the United States basically anywhere like the military is totally aware of its existence. Isn't that like a boss? As far as I know, yeah, there are lots of yeah. I'm pretty sure that we have a lot of radar installations and fleets going around and satellites and things like that that can detect objects that enter there, especially in a post 9 11 world and with what kind of doesn't have any of that evidently like probably not. Now I if something the size of a person snuck in that's one thing that I could get behind like that's fine, I guess. But if it was like an army or a ship or something like that, then I would be like, oh, you guys should have some defense. Well, one person. Yeah, do you remember how there was some faulty ACS module or something that allowed like the entire Russian army to get like in across America? I can't remember the justification for that nonsense. Modern warfare two and three are pretty badly written. I like there's there's some good levels in there, but I feel like modern warfare one like made more of an effort to tell a story that felt more plausible. I think so, too. Yeah, there was some like some ultra nationalist sect of like some Russian crazy person is able to do something with Russian nukes and that the data. Like there's, you know, there's some attempt at two. I think modern warfare two that were like Russia invades the United States. Yeah, exactly. Their idea was we want to do red dawn. Can we make that happen? It's like, no. Look, red dawn was dumb when red dawn came out. This is really, really dumb. I mean, it was for a very crazy level to be like, oh, we're in an American suburb and it's a war zone and the Russian planes. It was really like it was a really cool level. Yeah, but it was it was nonsense. But luckily, luckily it, you know, they don't necessarily squander having to, you know, doing what they did writing wise. Modern warfare three, I think was worse, like in terms of its justifications. Probably. I just, I sort of remember parts of that game, but it was just one of those. It was kind of Marvel movie-ish in a way, like set piece, weird crazy action scene. Well, yeah, because it's pretty evident to me that basically modern warfare two, they were like, we want favela mission. Like we want to go through Brazil running through all these cramped favelas and doing chases. We want, we want a, we want red dawn. And then with modern warfare three, it's like we want to do all of that, but in Europe, basically, and have it be like in Paris, Eiffel Tower gets blown up and collapses and all that. Like they just went absurd in a way that, because Black Ops was pretty bombastic, but like even that felt like more dialed in. They're like modern warfare three. And plus it levied itself existing during like the Vietnam war and stuff like that. So that was, that helped to kind of give it a sort of setting where those things could take place. And, you know, the Cold War aspect of it and the Russian subversion, those sorts of things, you know, they're worth something in order to tell a story. I think so. And like what happened was, I think what happened, Call of Judy deteriorated. This was like the transition period from when Call of Judy was like fun, like in terms of its campaigns, but it still like made some efforts to be a little bit more restrained because like the biggest thing that happened in Call of Judy 4 was the nuke scene. And that was like a big deal. But then by the time you get into the later games, you've got like these crazy like plot points. The entire world is going to blow up or there's some like super-duper advance like virus or something that's going to take over the world or like some crazy bio weapon. And it just started getting more and more insane. Yeah, there were in Call of Duty 4, one of the things that always kind of comes first to mind was especially when I first played it was kind of near the end when you're with Price and the gang and you are infiltrating Russia and you see the nukes launching like next to you. You see them go up and Price and everyone's on the radio and they're like, they launched the missiles and his voice is really exasperated and he's telling them they just launched missiles right now, we're here. They launched the missiles and it's and you're trying to sprint into the base to get the codes to shut them down. And there was a timer like that was it was really well done and it was really tense and exciting. And it's it's it was it's something that's really kind of stuck with me. It was the just the how they did it, the reveal, the voice acting was all so good. And then the level itself just had this frenetic and it's only gameplay as well, which is yes, it is. Doing that where you're in total control because Modern Warfare 2 had a similar thing when Price goes into like a submarine and then launches a missile like there's going to be an EMP and Ghost is like, you know, Price, like the missile doors are open. Like I repeat the missile like it's, you know, and it's all in gameplay. But now we don't do that. We've got crazy bombastic. I think it's Modern Warfare like World War Two, the train. What the hell was that? Yeah, that was that was insane. That's that's that was like it's really own and Call of Duty Ghost because someone mentioned it. Chat remember the orbital rail gun in space. Yeah, Call of Duty Ghost had like some super weapon in space. And then like a coalition of South American countries launched like up into the base, took control of the system and launched on America. That's like the inciting incident of that game. And so it's like a post-apocalypse America at war with like a unified South America. Don't ask like what that country looks like or why. Yeah, you know what South America gets together. You know what we should do? We should attack America together. Attack America. That'll be great. Physics, physics, Call of Duty. Well, I've often talked about it, but like one of the things I really like about World of War is how you are not that special. The most special thing about any of the characters you play in that game is that you were the Russian soldier to put the flag on the Reichstag. That's at the very end. Like because because Resnov is like, yeah, like as long as the train goes alive, the heart of this army can never be broken. But like, yeah, there's an element. Otherwise you're normal soldiers. When you see the photo, that was that was just the guy who did it. And he had a whole story that led him there. His whole life led him to that moment. And so the idea that you play as that guy is really interesting, especially as a concept, especially with how how they portray that, you know, that journey to get into Berlin and everything like that. And it's, you know, it's harshness. Yeah, I mean, to replay that campaign, that was a long time since I played that. You know, when you were saying the orbital cannon for whatever fucking ghosts or whatever the fuck. It wasn't a cannon. It just dropped a rod. Whatever, I was expecting you to summarize it as they go to war with space. They go to war with space. Damn, your space. The thing is, is that they had a mission later in the game where you go up to space and have a fight in space. I guess that was the progenitor to like infinite warfare where they had all of those space battles. Though I hear the infinite warfare's campaign was all right, that it wasn't that bad. But I mean, I imagine that that one was still like crazy and bombastic. It's just, I don't know, you compare it to like, because the American campaign in World of War is like you're with like the Marine Raiders and then you go to Okinawa and it's like, man, we lost a lot of Marines just for like this island. And then on Okinawa, it's like pretty clear that everybody is exhausted. Like they're just so tired of this. They want to go home. Like it's they're dragging on. And then like the final mission is you are really small squad. You're just going to have to go in and take Shuri Castle. And then one of you guys gets killed. And then that's it. And it's like, oh yeah, that was our story. That was that was horrible. It's like, you're not that important. You're just like one person in this scenario trying to make it through. But like you get the impression with Call of Duty World War II. You're like the most important soldier ever. You're at every major engagement. You're hugely critically important in every major engagement. And you find the last bridge across the Rhine. Like consider it's just you're so important. Like the whole world revolves around everything that you're doing. And I just kind of don't like that. I think that I think that like those types of stories should emphasize that it's a lot of people working together that achieves these battlefield things. Kind of did usually. I mean, in particularly in Battlefield 3, you would just be you are in, you're the gunner in a fighter pilot jet. This is your job. Do it. Or you're a tank commander. This is your job. Do it. Or you are you're the soldier and you're doing your job and you could swap from different role to different role so you get the variety in terms of gameplay and everything. Or you just you're just you're just a soldier in downtown, you know, whatever. And you have these here's your M4 and you got your squad with you and you got to kill a sniper. And that's it. You're not you're not John Halo mega soldier man who's the most important person in the history of soldiering and all these insane things happen to you constantly. It just it was just like it's just not the same. I think that there was a place because of course like in Halo you do players probably the most important person like in the story. You are the most powerful. You are a literal special super soldier in that though. And that's like totally chill as like its own thing. Then Call of Duty like basically went big action. And I mean even when they were going for like an action movie thing like the fact that you as the player character get killed like a lot of times in those games you're playing the player character and you get killed. Like it's those types of things that I think like help sort of give the story some level mistakes. It's how Battlefield 1 starts. Battlefield 1 starts with you dying and then it's like yep this guy died and he was born this year. He died this year. And then it goes to the next guy. And then you guys that character and it does the same thing name date of birth death day you know that it goes to the next person. And it's like yeah. I think the opening title screen says like what you're about to experience is frontline combat. You were not expected to survive. It's like yep that basically tells you like what you need to know about this upcoming sequence. You're not expected to make it through this. And the fact that they would show the name and when they were born and then that they died there. I feel like Battlefield 1 made some attempts to kind of do that again like you're this one guy in a tank crew and obviously like your story is significant to those characters and they usually achieve something important. But like their story is pretty small and self-contained in the grand scheme of things because I had the same as well with the ANZAC campaign where you play as the runner. But I mean he dies at the end of that story as well. But like I don't do that anymore with Call of Duty. It's all these crazy bombastic like action scenes and you make it through and you're fine. The fact that like surviving a train crash where it just keeps going for like a minute. What is that? What was that? Why did you do that? Yeah there there's a lot of room because you know especially as you go through the different time periods there are so many roles that are in an army and in a general military. And so many things can happen and so many crazy things can happen that it's a shame that they don't really lean into you know you hear all the war stories about all the crazy stuff that happened you know this happened to this guy this happened to this guy this happened to this guy. And yet it's all just I mean it's fertile ground for having really interesting varied campaigns where you hop around from role to role. You could be in the navy, the air force, you could be a marine, you could be in the army and you're doing all these different things all different kinds of operations What do you remember in world at war the mission where you're in the bobcat like the where you're in the plane and you have to try and save a bunch of marines when ships come under attack and like they're all screaming at each other as they're trying to deal with this and they're on their own it's like yeah it's that variety I think I appreciate in the older games. Yeah there's this element of people yelling at each other people doing the best as you stay focused stay on track you know the bullet holes in the planes and things like that um that's I mean there's a there's like I said fertile ground for making a you know campaign out of this sort of and we used to get a lot of that stuff and I I still don't know how I feel about the modern warfare 2019 campaign I remember liking it when I was playing through it but I don't know yeah I don't know how I feel anymore I don't I don't know I'm just unsure I'm part of me wonders if I was if I was too focused on how good it looked or a lot of the little details and a part of me wonders if it was actually good um well I don't have any something I've heard is that modern warfare was kind of goofy there's a character called phil graves like philip graves like that's his name is phil graves it's like hmm and apparently it's acknowledged in the story that that's his name and like there are aspects of it that are kind of ridiculous like that apparently there was like a mission where you because I think it's like partially set in Mexico where like there's this crazy aerial support and these massive engagements and then like you catch the guy that you're meant to you're meant to like capture but they're like oh we don't have enough to hold them you have to like release them it's like really after all that like it's like I feel like we just shoot them honestly I feel like he'd never be found or something like that it's uh yeah I yeah I hear mixed things about modern warfare too but like especially stories a bit silly I'm thinking about to the modern warfare 2019 the torture sequence and I'm like was that actually good was it was it even good at all was it like that game doesn't let you go off the rails I think yeah that's the thing with it that like if I replay to I realize how linear it was yeah could I because in the moment that first time you might be you might feel as if what you're doing is actually like a choice you're making but I have a feeling that you would never you would never be able to shoot the guys family in front of them to give them you know tell you get a game of a state for that you can't do that because it's like because I just feel like that's I kind of feel like that's a really cowardly move in terms of like no like the play let the player fucking make that choice and if it's a kind of a monstrous thing to do tell them it tell them that you made a really you got information that you needed but you killed a woman in front of her kid and her husband that's something that you did and the game is going to acknowledge that whether it's like spec ops the line was more gutsy in terms of the choices that let you commit to and like then exploring the consequences of that yeah I get the impression that modern warfare is incredibly linear and like that if you would have played through it again you realize like how on the rails it is so I'm not sure I'm not sure what I think about that campaign that was a long tangent that was a long this is why it takes us forever to read superchance but carry on how slash why the fuck would isolated water people develop weapons that make people drown themselves when they themselves breathe water how did they test to see if the tech worked that's a good question I was even asking why do they have a military organization at all like when like they've been an isolationist underwater cave for hundreds and hundreds of years with no contact with the outside world how come you have a military like you have warriors to send out to places if you send them out to a modern city aren't they going to be blown away by that and and that means they've exposed themselves several times already in terms of where they are who they are and they must have killed lots of people probably I mean we know they went up to one point and then killed all those slave driver people so they probably did more they've killed a whole bunch they were killing run around killing because I just wonder how many fishermen would just out there like I'm out here fishing and then they tested their siren song to kill them that's too close to discovering the vibranium like this fisherman is going to fuck us up we got to get him before he gets us I call those clips LAAT LAAT there's another codename for the uh the ships in the prequels cone ship LA yeah the low out low altitude assault transport yeah Wakanda declared war three times marching the military into the UN meeting the kidnapping of reary and killing of cops and extradition of a Wakandan spy I mean the the attempted murder of Captain America is this I mean yeah well yeah you said that like you had a list and then you stopped at one which is okay because you know they've done plenty more but you don't remember it right now yeah it's like it's adding to a list already but it seems like they're definitely doing it all the time is that lack of acknowledgement that is eternally going to be frustrating uh critical gave the movie a seven out of ten I have no idea what his normal scores even are I don't actually know if that's surprising I guess yeah I have no clue because you could have told me angry Joe gave it a 10 and I'd be like yeah maybe yeah it's nice in line with me I mean a seven out of 10 by any race school metric means good right oh yeah I'm just saying that I don't know if that's expected for critical or not at this point I don't know I have no clue I want to see like you know when someone says Chris Duckman said it was good it's like yeah I know yeah because he's dumb not even that it's just that he's like there's no way Chris Duckman would ever say this movie's bad yeah he was never going to say it was this movie of course it would no surprise and we're over here in reality where it's a two out of 10 because it gets nothing right what do you black out of him actually sorry he probably all seven out of ten I'm guessing uh you're stuck with me Joe oh um yeah I think seven is a solid guess for angry Joe on black out so he said fan brain because it says final verdict brackets fan brain is seven out of ten oh so I presume that that means that he thinks it's worse than a seven out of which it is it is worse than a seven out of ten but I guess yeah but that means it will kind of forever is is a seven out of ten without fan brain maybe the fact that that wasn't specified hmm what did Chris Duckman give it uh black out of nowhere no uh we're kind of forever like what was his rating probably an eight maybe nine uh well he does he does uh number oh wait yeah that is right I'm assuming an a probably an a or a b I would get an a yeah hmm oh I don't see it I'm skimming through and I don't see the thing pop up with the score I don't know then amic Chris in out of ten he didn't give it a grade oh interesting oh does he not do grades films anymore or was did he make an exception for this movie out of respect for Chadwick Boseman's memory I will not be reading this he might have said that I agree I could absolutely believe he said that um an e-fab on my birthday you shouldn't have level you guys oh thank you oh I hope that you enjoyed this incredible gift for your birthday a discussion of Wakanda forever have both days and go in peace one says oh god my ankles stopped tearing the feathers out yeah that does happen she tears one of his wings out or slices right one of those two I couldn't remember yeah I don't know if that grows back I guess oops it does congratulations Jay Longbow for winning the Miss America pageant the other night I don't know if that's a reference to something done on a street but all right let's send British petroleum to fuck up their ocean also didn't Iman want to establish a propulsion from long uh from the legs isn't very stable without the hand thrust didn't she I can't remember as if that's probably on account of it yeah like that if you have a if you have a yeah because just like imagine skating on the slipperyest ice in the world and you have no traction that's you have to be balanced you you need those extra points to stabilize yourself in the air but who cares who would make it so who cares I don't fucking care how is the new god of war well you're gonna have to go a little bit you're gonna have to wait a little bit you're gonna wait the new god bring us play to anything I've played a so Mel's played a decent amount like give it time let it cook and we'll be back to you yeah cook the thing I'd like to introduce the newest heroes the DCEU he's a huge friend of animals just like smoking and drinking and feels like his people deserve more everyone welcome Hitler oh no oh no also hi rags hello Riri throws stuff at the door and they like his spirit Walker puts his hand on their arms a friendly gesture and they try to kill him I think it's meant to be a condescended to them by doing that that would be my guess yeah oh well that's worth killing him and for that the consequence should be death yes and not only that but also his friend who didn't do that they tried to kill him too yep saying Wakanda forever is like the godfather is as delusional as saying rings of power is like lord of the rings pretty much Thor Love and Thunder is just like the Shawshank Redemption yeah makes sense he helped season two a baron spinster's story I seriously they get a seat they may well who knows oh fair the snap is um it's before is dune part two coming out this year uh I think it's coming out next well next year if there's not much time left I was gonna say if dude was good about it okay that's fair enough I just I hadn't heard anything I figured they would okay the snap was a minor inconvenience get over it yeah that's I mean sort of it's treated like that because they don't know how to it could be because they they did something that they were not prepared to deal with it's just that simple they were not prepared to stick to the consequences of the decisions that they made for their story and they weren't they weren't willing to tell the people writing their stories that they had to factor that in well yeah I mean everyone's building on top of the russo's ending and everyone's like no I don't want to okay then for that um do you think this underwater city makes more or less sense than the one in Aquaman I I mean Aquaman says it's good like more I'd say more I can believe this one more because the Aquaman one is like Fringy said it's like it's nuts I can believe that this one was a secret for 500 years because it's a super far down and it's in this cave and it seems that there seems like they're pretty primitive down there minus the vibranium thing I can believe this one more I think so too because remember in Aquaman they could breathe underwater just because at least this one had the like vibranium plant uh have you considered making a wolf plushie would love it with the rest of the cast and it would give us a way to support his offline endeavors hi rag hi no we haven't considered that well we we said at the time back when the first set came out we have considered it we asked him what he thought oh did we that he didn't want it ah gotcha gotcha maybe that's why I don't remember as a while ago yeah we we were gonna launch the first generation to be the three and but but he said from little are enough yeah um I'd like to introduce these overgrown fish sticks to my two closest friends Smith and Wesson well the thing is the ceremony like like they try and treat it all the time as if this they would annihilate like modern guns they wouldn't they just don't they just have to pretend like the guns don't do anything all the time yeah pretty much just just they just all miss they just doesn't work don't think about it it just doesn't work um manna was pretty dumb at the end for a 400 year old lol I think they meant name all no yeah you you did not get a sense that he's a 400 year old man that's not at all no it happens all the time these are super old characters they've been around for hundreds and hundreds of years but they're just these normal people that these normal modern people because they're written by modern people water is extremely powerful if they would have caused tsunamis they would have wiped out Wakanda easily I don't know if they can I don't know what they're seeing Wakanda's landlocked yeah it's you're not going to get to Wakanda with a tsunami and I don't know if they have the capacity to create a tsunami that would be that big I don't yeah so we were all like assuming they can control water or something it was like was it just the water grenades they were throwing in places or something I don't know I'm guessing that's I don't think they have like hydro kinesis right I don't think so I wish Zemo would have escaped and finished off the rest of them Zemo did nothing wrong when you say the rest of them do you just mean all of earth because whatever go ahead Zemo what what the fuck that could be about any of the things we discussed I want to see old drama yellow in the MCU you should look that up Mola also high rags hello not an anime thing the what now old drama yellow oh my god what is this that is a Yu-Gi-Oh oh I don't know what I think it looks very very weird this card he's one of the ojama trio it said that he butts in by any means necessary it's also said that when the three are together something happens something I don't want to see that attack zero defense a thousand I'm assuming when the three of them are together they merge to make something decent I assume I assume this is supposed to be the foil to like oitsu koitsu and you know that that group on the paper airplanes so yeah that's the here been plugged in toasters defeat Neymar when he's in the water yeah probably I don't see why electric wouldn't work really well on him yeah I assume if his strengths is comes from the water that electricity might do a lot to him not anything that they even mentioned in the in the film by the way nope pony stark was able to build this in a cave the box scraps and Riri makes this yes good you guys really plan on stopping MCU coverage if it doesn't get better that'd be the bestest like I said there'll be a couple of requirements but it's definitely gonna slow down there's no way we'll cover in all of it we haven't covered all of it too much the chunks of phase too much we missed the Hawkeye show Eternals the Miss Marvel show was that was that do we cover everything else I can't remember anymore oh I mean I missed way more than that even almost missed Shang-Chi we got that oh yeah we missed Moon Knight pretty much yeah we cut we did a quick coverage of three episodes of it but that was missed oh good night but yeah expect more not vain Riri built her iron hoot the Riri built her iron heart suit in a week that's why the CGI isn't done I mean you see because they that because they also had to do it in a week probably three days if EFAP continues with the MCU much longer I think it's because they subconsciously enjoy the searing pain get help watch pig well I mean it it can be fun to just break down worries that are this covering it can be fun I think the sequel trilogy is made in eight out of ten but you develop an intense foot fetish forever oh so that's like a monkey poor thing we can make the sequel trilogy in eight out of ten but we'll have an intense foot fetish for the rest of our lives I don't know that's like a sacrifice might be willing to take right to save the legacy of the Star Wars franchise but then it's always gonna get ruined anyway because Disney still have the control just give that thing to someone who already has a foot fetish or whatever have them make the wish they some people it's just gonna be like I will do it no no I mean oh that's awful sure I'll do it Tarantino turn 21 today happy to catch it live hello rags hello happy birth happy boys day absolutely have you guys heard about Kevin Conroy yes I did he has it's is the last thing he worked on Batwoman is that maybe not I think the last thing with that multiverse game multiverse okay okay that's good maybe something else yeah sad yeah he's a legend did great work yep man well I mean I mean he essentially defined the voice of Batman yep absolutely right that is the definitive sort of voice of that character that's uh sonic frontier is not a 9 out of 10 steam lies it's a 5.5 out of 10 all right chat you can argue over the quality of sonic frontiers okay because I don't know anything about this panic he runs around oh you're the smartest move putting that game out right before the new god of war comes out that was a great idea like a day before or something I don't know have you guys played dwarf fortress if so thoughts also steam version December probably a good time to join if you haven't tried already hi rags hello um have not played dwarf dwarf fortress but a good friend of mine has played the fuck out of it and he told me very a lot of very funny stories and I'm definitely going to pick up the steam version yeah I might get into it later as well now that it's coming out to steam the problem is I've got a lot to catch up on and I will when this hopefully I actually was just checking during the stream I think the last part of my computer gets here on the 15th so that's another that's three days from now which is pretty good because I want to have this up and running next week if I can so I got I got so much to catch up on and it's it's it's it's on my list because I am I'm interested in dwarf fortress I kind of like those I like like strategy colony builders and remworld is is that and it's also like a story generator and the way that it's set up and so if if if that scratches you know and it's I've got then I imagine that I'll get a lot of mileage out of dwarf fortress I just got so many things I want to play and dwarf fortress is one of them so well we'll see what happens we'll see what happens I'll probably be streaming it that sounds like a great stream game with the crazy shit that can happen I think that could be really funny there enough versus matchup Luke Skywalker versus Link Luke is telekinesis he'll surely surely the force is going to fuck link up like yeah we need to strangle link immediately I'm trying to think of like ways for link to escape that not really not really maybe it's like twilight princess link with his super duper werewolf thing like maybe he's got he's strangled the werewolf well maybe he can but maybe the werewolves got some super duper ability I imagine that Luke wins I think Luke probably wins yeah Link does Link have magic? I can't remember if he has you get magic that he can use in that scenario you get the magic from from the fairies we got like the fire stuff and the teleporting thing and a green uptime for example dins fire that's the one the sheikest light could be because he could freeze he could freeze Luke he could just freeze him I guess then we're in that scenario we end up in a couple of times where it's whoever gets the first move yeah yeah yeah because Luke is a person so if he gets hit with a sword he's out well to be fair if Link is hit with a lightsaber he's probably dead I guess we probably have to combine a whole lot of different links from different timelines with moves so it gets fair probably would Link kill a child oh sure of course wait Luke would kill a child never mind what I'm saying I was gonna say new Luke would do it yeah of course he would yeah no problem never mind that's fair um a courier to the guy working the shield after crashing his ship on the way back to Wakanda were you rushing or were you dragging the guy on the uh the drum set opened it up in the shield I guess hi rags you're hello two little sussy objects on your table make it very hard to have your videos on while others are around you need to put your toys away there's what a Glock in my dice for D&D I'm sure that's what they're yeah that's a bit pretty wrong with those they're perfectly fine items they're full of cocaine while I need to get into a D&D game or something again how much I was having a shot in a while geez I do I did line up someone to fix my to shoot at align someone line someone up to shoot how much do I gotta spend for a dbza critique I don't even Dragon Ball Z abridged abridged yeah it's like a abridged version I'm not the guy for it and I don't know if any of these guys are either no it's not us it is not a word I don't want to I really like dbz like I grew up with it I have the big nostalgia flames for it but oh god I critiquing it I would make myself very unpopular call the coof thanks for keeping me spirits up with your content long man and co especially molar metal the Ragnarok streams have been excellent I am looking good also hope that Simpsons minis happen eventually it's possible on the episodes that's an interesting idea because I have I have not seen many mini simpson episodes I have not so not sure how they would work exactly because it could just be we play them in laugh like the brightest episodes but I think the thing about it is we in Fringy will have shit tends to say about it because we watched them well it'll be good to have my perspective because I've never seen it before so I'll be like I'll be a foil to you guys you guys are very well versed in the simpsons you have to listen to us predicting all of the jokes before they come and ruining them like oh we're dealing with a part where blah blah blah blah you could just fucking zip your lip all right no let me enjoy things no no but it's something I'm interested in certainly if you guys are down for it I would be interested in that because the episodes are only like what 25 minutes each yeah okay well that's yeah that's little tiny chunks yeah if you could give up your skills for money what skill would you give up and how much money do you think it's worth so so I give up a skill for money yeah I guess a skill you just have in real life not good at I would give up so you could yeah you could you could do the you could do that give up things that you're not good at but I'm going with the idea of there are things that I just never do so like how good I'm pretty I'm I'm that's too bad I'm quite good at orienteering I never have to do that and I doubt I'll ever need to do it again in my life so how much would someone have to give me if I was not able to orienteer anymore how much money would that be worth to me which is interesting because there's a pragmatic component that comes with give up a skill you're never going to use because you're just never going to use it anyway and exchange that for money that you can do something with but you balance that out with like that's part of who you are is what your skills are and that's something that you learned and you put time in your life into learning it though I suppose the time element if you get it back as money I mean that's that's what a job is but that's interesting that's an interesting question I'm really not sure because I've got several points of contention in terms of like so many things I have to figure out especially the how am I putting a dollar sign on skill yeah yeah because I think in theory like I get like with orienteering example I highly doubt I will ever do that again in my life as far as I'm concerned I learned that for reasons those reasons serve their purpose I use them I will never need to use them again how much would yeah but if if there's there's a money like there's got to do is an amount of money I do it for but what is that amount of money and it would and I have to be really I'd have to double check and make sure like will I ever use this again especially yeah especially if you got your mileage out of it you know like like I said with orienteering I did stuff with it I put that to use that skill paid off in ways I've I've I've done things with it so I won't feel like I've lost anything really if I get money for it because I did something with it it would feel worse to learn something and learn a skill and not have ever used it yet and then exchange that for money right so in a way you could kind of double dip depending on what it is and what your I guess your life plans or personal interests are I guess it was I presume it's baked into the question that it's a permanent loss like you yeah you could never learn it yeah like you could never learn how to do it again but the experiences of you having used it in the past and what you did with him in the past those stay yeah yeah yeah so I guess that's just I don't know I default to like shot put or something or like javelin throwing yeah because we have some level of skill in it it's just it's just like very basic and probably not that high so I'll just cash in those chat you know those those chips that I've I've got what I got in but I never gonna use yeah that would probably be a safe way to do it like am I ever gonna have to you know do competitive archery he's like probably not ultimately if you like eventually pick up a bow just for the fun of you like well I guess I'll be really shit at it but that whatever and that's fine I mean anyway so who cares someone said rags you regret that when you're lost in the forest with no battery battery what does a battery have to do with orienteering do you know what that is the orienteering is when you use like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa they're talking about how you wouldn't have a phone to help you out a phone and so you have to do orienteering and you would have given up the skill for money but the battery part doesn't have it this this suggestion so it's like you said you have a skill to use maps and orient yourself or whatever that you could start with they're saying you're gonna regret that when you uh in a forest so any battery when I say orienteering that's the skill of being able to orientation yeah yeah yeah it's that's different from general orientation yeah that that's the skill of being able to essentially take a compass on a map plot directions distances get your angles right things of that nature so if you didn't god I think I might have totally misunderstood I thought when you said that you were good at orienteering that it meant that you were good at like conducting orientations or something going to work no no it in in Boy Scouts I learned it and then when I was in ROTC I was on the orienteering team and then we had to get really good at it for search and rescue and so I don't need that skill anymore and I highly doubt I will ever need to use it again but I got a lot of mileage out of it for while I had it so that's why I used it as an example it's it's not just like the like being able to orient your the general concept of having orientation it's it's like a skill with compassing and navigating and yeah the next time you lost in the woods without a battery that what they were saying to the phone well if you're lost in the woods not you'd have to know which way you'd want to go anyway so if you're lost in the woods well don't feel a phone that has signal that's yeah I guess if you didn't have a phone you wouldn't just be able to call someone but I I guess I just assumed I'd be fine because I I'm pretty good out in the woods I think I'm but I guess knowing because you have basic directions like like the sun right fries and the east sets in the west and stuff like that but knowing the direct like knowing north only really matters if you know which direction you're trying to get to anyway so if you're lost in the woods then just trying to get north only matters if you know that you need to go north oh I mean I guess like if you have a sense of where a forest is in relation to a city yeah because generally if because before you go out on a like before we ever go on a hiking trip we we look at the maps of where we're going not just to try and gauge how how far we're going to go like okay we'll do five miles in five miles back or something like that it's it's to give us a sense of you know the terrain like is this going to be a tough hike is it mostly uphill or downhill things like that so we we have a general idea of where we are so a direction there would be useful knowing a general direction but that's different than orienteering which is a more finer skill right so even if you didn't have a phone then pretty much all the time and plus you're on a trail anyway when you're out hiking or at least generally it would be weird it would be strange if I got lost in the woods that would just be a bizarre thing to happen I would have to be like chased by a serial killer while I was hiking and so I ran into the woods to get away from them and then I might get lost but really you'd likely just pick a direction and walk and you'd find someone or a road or something Jesus all three of them managed to talk past each other this time that's not what talking past each other is that's a weird I don't confused on what it was meant to me yeah we didn't talk past each other we just because I guess if you don't yeah it makes sense that if I say orienteering I'm thinking of the a very specific thing for orienteering and it others might not know that that's the meaning that I yeah I didn't catch there's a lot of people asking what you meant by that so yeah yeah he didn't talk off me I silently sat there and let him speak while I was trying to work it out in my own head this reminds me of when people like uh whatever I died in God of War almost every time so I was like ah greed I'm just like no greed every time it's like it'll be there was a moment where I like I got confused as to whether or not I could block a thing and then I try to block it and it goes through my block and kills me and I'm like ah then they go ah there it is greed but no I just didn't know how the mechanic worked just like you're so greedy with your blocking God disgusting the greed it's just it always comes across that that that dynamic of a view of being like I wouldn't have been as greedy as the I would have made I would have been I would have played far more generously and survived every once in a while I'll get a message that's just just if you focus you can avoid the attacks and attack them when they have their opening that's the what I needed to do fuck wasn't so greedy pre phase four I would have jumped at the opportunity to be even one second to right opportunity to be in even one second of a Marvel movie as a start to an acting career but now honestly I can say I'd never I'd need to have some input on dialogue meaning no I mean it's probably it might still be a good way to start a career I don't know I mean probably is right if you get like a a major role in a Marvel film you're probably good yeah especially knowing that that character is likely to come back you know even if it's years and years down the road you know you could there's a very good chance you might get that phone call and you're back to doing that character and you know just a prominence of it absolutely I think that's that's literally Don Cheadle's approach like I'll just hang on hopefully they call me back and every once in a while they do and one day they will ask me to do a TV or a movie oh yeah nowadays you must be super optimistic if you're ever prod in for one of those projects I guess so funny I'd imagine because I don't even know they probably want to get it done as soon as possible right so here's hey let's do it say these words especially now that they mean it doesn't matter what they mean just say them and you're like okay you paid act not to think what's that dyes and cuts they'd wow green someone said rags gets lost in the woods ah green but have you guys ever seen pitch meetings by ryan george at screen rant he did one for season eight of game of thrones it's hilarious get him on the show I've not seen that um I've seen some of a pitch meet in videos yeah I mean if you wanted to go on eFap you'd be welcome to maybe one day if something is bad enough combines the might both things critical is a really bad critic I love him and I think he's funny but the moist meter is probably his worst content it's what it a lot of people are like that a lot of people are just not good at judging media I guess like rating it or evaluating it I mean they usually just go and buy whether or not they enjoyed it and then they'll yeah sort of grass about reasoning that seems to fit and then that'll be it they want to move on that's fine I watched the movie there's my thoughts on the movie now I'm moving on you're not gonna get many like it's I was about to say you're not gonna get many who like make careers I was like well actually no you you get a lot of them that that's like cosmic variety I were basically but I you know I think this is the thing for me I I just wouldn't be satisfied going by just like just like you want to dig in and find out what's working what's not working especially the craft right you know how do these yeah why is this working why isn't there especially looking back after you build up a bit of a body of work on ratings and you got horrible realization sets in that was I just going off of what I felt that day oh god like this is hmm very unstable there's people out there who value that to the point of they don't want anyone else to tell them anything about how they felt until what they felt is on record they want it done for this because like as it like the capturing of those feelings is incredibly important yeah I understand that there's a lot of things that I I like to I generally like to go into things without knowing stuff about them but there is an element of yeah I can understand how a lot of people can feel like they can be influenced even so consciously by you know things people say and whatnot when you get in a wireless breakdown you're like I'm not going to be getting just how he felt I'm going to be getting a lot of information technically I think it's um yeah exactly I just like they're talking about the craft because there is a craft and it's interesting to figure out what works and what doesn't and I think that it's worthwhile to you can have separate conversations about you know films the conversation about what you think about it from a craft perspective and also what it does that appeals to you personally I think it's worthwhile to entertain those I think red letter media probably my example for critics I really like that it's super just going from how they felt a lot of the time that like I don't know this was working for some reason because you I think if you were to look at their entire body of work you probably will be able to find like an argument that was used as a point of criticism and a point of praise like it just interchangeably almost depending on whatever they think of time but I enjoy them for the funnies banter and the backing poor thing especially when they check out like fucking B movies never know what they're gonna get in them you know it's like meanwhile like I don't think I care to find out like how angry joe is feeling about a movie because it does seem to would flippant where it's just like going quick and um I think flippant implies that there's no real care that goes into it or it's done almost with some level of disdain maybe that's the wrong whereas I I guess I just mean it seems real disconnected from any kind of like whatever real standard in a way it's just very visceral yeah and a lot of people enjoy that approach as I'm less of a fan I'm more of a fan King Fringy of House Goo first of his name king of the birds and the frogs and the end game videos lord of objectivity and protector of the dawn all right oh boy good thing to protect the dawn he needs it oh there's there's a bunch of crazy super powered people out there who are nuts how would you rank phase four now that it's finally finished oh I guess we said right we gave it like a two overall against other phases like it's the worst phase there's no worse oh yeah easily easily god damn it that's good I'm fine hello hello yeah and all have any of you seen the Mario movie trailer if so what are your thoughts also high rags hello I have seen it and soon Dane we'll likely cover that the mario movie yeah it's gonna upset Fringy more than any of us probably and the only thing I I thought was like this looks visually kind of cool I guess and that's all I had to say when I saw it I just can't wait for Chris Pratt mario yeah woo-hoo let's go yahoo let's add go let's add go what would you say to someone who argues that standards you guys use to judge movies objectively are subjective everyone has different standards so saying that something is bad isn't universal again we we talk about all the time it's just that finding force for like all of storytelling continuity seems like one of the most reasonable and usable standards as well as being one that everyone will use when they assess movies when they praise them or criticize them it's an impossibility to find a critic that will never refer to how one thing connects or disconnects from another thing it was understandable like really solid and very easy to I would say empathize with a standard and I don't know if you're gonna go by how it made you felt every time it just seems so incredibly dependent on variables that are so all over the place that it's almost not to do with the movie anymore and rather just still meanwhile what we talk about is stuff that continues to exist whether or not exist like our arguments aren't dependent on how we were feeling at the time or what we were experiencing well simultaneously referencing what the film was giving to us we try to stick to referencing just what the film did and you know that can transcend time and culture that's why we try and isolate it and for lack of better terms we try to remain as objective about it as we can I think that's a good answer I don't know and I find it it makes for conversations that are much more streamlined despite the fact that we take 10 years per that's why I don't often engage in conversations like like this with like some of my other friends because they just don't care about it that much for the most part even though some of them are starting to come around it's like man those last movies are pretty pretty sludgy and it's like yep you know I was saying I spoke to some family members recently like a get-together and all of them without any problem from me we're like man those super hero movies begin real shit lately yeah a little bit yeah there are a couple of my friends still go to like basically every movie that comes out and I just kind of wait for them to start talking in our discord but they just see it and then it's never talked about again it's like okay bonus match up MCU winter soldier versus Chris Redfield that would actually be an interesting one I don't know is it because that's another one where it's just like whoever gets the the jump on the other probably wins if we put him in a fist fight together funnily enough it should be winter soldier but Chris Redfield stand for the chance because he can punch a boulder yeah I'm not not entirely sure what Chris Redfield's power level is at the moment he does punch both punches boulders and he's doing very well of that yeah I guess well if they have guns well it's it's going to be who shoots first right and I'm going to give it to winter soldier because he's a fucking super soldier yeah the only reason Chris might win is more so a plot argument someone froze in a rocket launcher like oh no if he can get if he can get the winter soldier in a volcano and he's got a buddy with him he's got a good chance then then he might be able to do it but it's going to be so it's going to be a long and and quite frankly unbelievable journey that leads in there so which is worse phase four or the dceu phase four right right now phase four yeah I think it is phase four is worse when you put she holds Loki and MOM together it's phase four yeah they are a trilogy of awful the trilogy of awful and that's discounting obviously all the other terrible films it's I mean yeah it's what a what a mess yeah that's bad we're bad random fact Nintendo is planning on making Wind Waker too but the backlash toward the game's art style caused Nintendo to make Twilight Princess right isn't the common modern appraisal that like Wind Waker is better than Twilight Princess I think so yeah it may be mechanically but I doubt in art style or is it I'm pretty sure that like Wind Waker has just kind of really considered better okay because I couldn't I never played Wind Waker I couldn't get into Twilight Princess it just never really it never grabbed me I could never finish it the 17 hour tutorial didn't help but I couldn't quite I couldn't get into that game I just thought about it I really liked uh the last ones I played I think were on the D.E.S. I think there was um Phantom Hourglass Phantom Hourglass which I really liked a bunch yeah I played that and like I think the other one we got a it was a mini cap before that that I also really liked we got a disturbingly similar Zelda history which is a very specific and weird one that like I have tried to get into and haven't really managed to get into a lot of Zelda games but Phantom Hourglass I loved and completed and Link to the Past I really liked as well that was that's what that's what got me into Zelda was my first one was uh Link to the Past I played on Game Boy Advance and I got the Prima Strategy Guide it was a soft cover it remember you remember that the they tried to sell you the Strategy Guide with it or you got like something off if you got the Strategy Guide with it and I was like yeah and I played though fuck out of Link to the Past I played that game a lot and I really really liked it that's when playing that one again I haven't played in a long time soon well after Ragnarok and then I want to play Deem Souls maybe in I don't know 17 years I don't know that's the one that is often considered to be one of the best right the Link to the Past up there with like Ocarina as far as I know yeah like the King of the Teen on the play it also came with the Link to the Past if you bought it for Game Boy Vance it came with four swords that you could play with someone else using a little Link cable that you'd attach two Game Boys together with the cable and you could both play a game and so I'd play four swords with my brother and go through that and that was that was pretty fun too I used to did I ever tell you I used to like me and my sister played all kinds of games at the same time and we would play PokeBot and he always wanted the Leaf PokeBot almost every time especially Meganium and or ending up with the Gritter in the Gen 2 he had silver I had gold and I was just like the fucking fire PokeBot is so awesome I gotta have him and then you know every time every once in a while it was a what we would do is every time we bump into the Nemesis type character I forget the name of him what is this you get the name of him yeah you can you get the name of him yeah every time we bump into him we would be like we should also you know fight our Pokemon and every time she should be like yeah where you just burn my Leaf Pokemon to death we're like hey you don't have to you can you can mix up who you send out first like you don't have to you don't have to put them out good times burning leaves nice um and yeah it's a good yeah it's a good time sink for a child like I don't I don't I don't mean that and I don't recommend PokeBot Pokemon games are good time sinks for children but I don't know what's coming out or this week skull violent I think because what's called it's the one that we saw that had the cool duck and uh oh yeah we yeah the cat the grosh cat the really neat we should play it just to get the duck that was that was the um I think that's in a super chat catch-up thing that we did that will be posted later but yeah yeah I we get uh we got distracted and we started going through all of the three starters for Pokemon games oh yeah and they start off really strong it gets really shaky in the middle and then it redeems itself near the end I was um it's unfortunate because I that conversation starts out and I thought it was going to be just for the first gen and so I didn't put it on screen so we're just talking and then the conversation kept going so you're gonna have to search them on google yourselves when we when we have that conversation yeah it's honestly what we're talking about it's super easy I was googling them as we went and if you go with it you can follow them yeah like a full set in one image probably yeah it's the LVR though it's like a preview for that conversation is they started out great with the starter pokemon and then by like gen 5 it was it was getting pretty bad but then they kind of were starting to redeem themselves with the newer ones and yeah they kind of found their way again yeah yeah like the new ones are really cool you got quacksly with this cool looking quacksly is great and uh and then you got the cat and the little sort of the the is kind of like a little crocodile like dinosaur thingy with the cool mask on like the day of the dead thing skeleton mask they're all really neat and I don't know if they know what the evolutions are for those ones yet when we checked I don't think they had the new ones out so who knows if they have them with the problem is when you look on uh when you look on google there are a lot of memes like a lot of meme evolutions that I know aren't real so I don't know if we know yeah they are pretty funny but uh I think what we identified as like a key takeaway is that they started getting really confused in terms of their designs when they got to the middle and yeah they I think they just they probably had I think the issue was that they probably had a gajillion designs for all of them and they just chose bad ones uh well so for instance the one that was particularly bad I think was sun and moon we didn't like that one there was a couple that we really didn't like yeah sun and moon the only one that we liked was the fire cat um and it wasn't a very enthused yeah it was clearly the fire cat and it wasn't even like a strong yeah I really like that it's just the it's just the one well no that was the owl that's that had the owl the seal and the cat the owl yeah the owl that stands was too yeah it's too too much yeah exactly that one it looks good for me I don't know how do you mess up a seal like is it design we're gonna end up doing the entire thing over again making that we better stop oh god oh god we're gonna go down you'll make you'll make the catch up redundant oh god we're gonna go down the low punny hole uh I recently watched a video of someone playing Bloodborne while following a day one IGN guide and when he got to Mikolash the guy told him to play the Benny Hill theme song during the fight that matches I um sounds about right if you can allow me a recommendation just a second just let me uh give me just one second in fact actually you carry on there's a there's a video I'd like to recommend once I find it so you just carry on if Pokemon made a region based on Australia what animals do you think they can use to make Pokemon designs and how dark can they make the Pokédex um so I think that a good idea if you were trying to do start a Pokemon that were based on Australia is to try and grab from maybe like three core animal types so if you had one that was a marsupial one that was a bird and then one that was a lizard that seems like it could be a really good combo so like maybe you could have like a kukaburra start a Pokemon seems like that seems like a an idea that I would I really like that idea you can really poke if I yeah kukaburra yeah and of course you got to have a kangaroo in there as one of the starter Pokemons um or maybe you could go for something a little bit more obscure maybe like a platter poise or an echidna I feel like Cyndaquil kind of encroaches a little bit on that territory so maybe if you went you could do a spider I think a spider would be a good choice I think I'd be cool with a spider for like a another like new Pokemon that would be in that region I think um something that we thought about when we're looking at the starter Pokemon is I think you need to pick an animal that's pretty if you're going to base it on an animal pick something that's like relatively straightforward and something that you can take and have it be really cute at the beginning and then evolve into something more yes it seems to be yeah let's do a tapeworm spider so like you could have you could definitely have a spider Pokemon for sure that would be a point type I like the tapeworm I think um I think with a lizard I wonder if I would want to go for a snake like a um if it would be a snake or if you could go for like a blue tongue lizard maybe or a uh you could go for a crocodile maybe uh but we've already we got totodile so maybe maybe you go for a snake that could be cool we already have actions I think you definitely need a kangaroo yeah but he's not a starter type so I guess I'm thinking about starter types I'm not trying to encroach I think that I think that man they should do an australian region for pokemon I'm not just saying that cuz I think it would be cool that I'd buy that that would be the thing to make me buy it I think I think it's fun if I had an australian version they say that about 18 percent of people have tapeworms because just most people just don't know it now talk supplies most of something you can catch things like that which means I think it makes them the third most popular pet after dogs and cats oh my god you gotta get a bit poke-a-bad it's really something to consider it's really something to consider it's a strong number three so there you go but yeah that was my thoughts I like this yeah you want to something that starts cute becomes really strong and it's it's very yeah it's gotta be it's gotta have that that genese qua if you will of like it's like the pikachu effect where it's just so it's pokemon yeah I like the the construction like akins being snicked backwards just over and it's like ah balk that was kind of cool actually sounds cool yeah I like how they did that with muck as well oh think they also you've linked a video called the weirdest computer game strategy guide ever written by dog gams doggins yeah I no clue who this guy is small channel and I don't whim this was just in my recommendations and we were talking about strategy guides if you guys have 40 minutes to spare this is a legitimately interesting video about the strategy guide that came with like one of the king's quest games and it was legitimately really it's it's a really interesting video and I really enjoyed watching it so it's got the weirdest computer game strategy guide ever written by doggins d-o-g-g-a-n-s watched it and I thought it was really interesting video so I something to watch if you if you need some material playing laffadette to heavy rain right now there's so many witches also the ojamas turn into ojama king and ojama emperor that so is that the mod or something because that doesn't ring a bell like at all they did it in the original series the the first gen they had like nidoran niddo queen niddo king which is like okay I get that's just sort of that that sort of fits in but nidda the emperor it just doesn't fit niddo queen niddo king it feels a lot more you know oh friggy they did have a they they did have a kangaroo pokemon in the in the first gen yeah uh tangus con hold on right uh j- yeah uh uh g-u-ru pokemon that would be might be uh tangus con yeah that's right it's kind of it's not really I guess it's not really a it's it's sort of but it's got like a pouch and it I guess it isn't really now that I see it again but now I'm looking and fecumon whether apparently ojama is a yugio not not tang combat I I can kind of see what you're getting at but it's like I was I forget I forgot I thought it was a lot more kangaroo like in my memory and now that I look back at it I'm like oh no it was it just I just I'm just thinking the pouch the pouch is what really got me to think I guess the pouch in the tail he reminds me more dingo dial like then uh the reminds me of the nitto not maybe I thought about it because it reminds me of the nitto queen and nitto king they kind of have that similarity to them I wonder if uh yeah I feel like kangaroo is untapped in terms of pokemon really look at not uh this fella which I didn't remember I remember that didn't remember this guy quokka would be a great starter pokemon quaka quaka quaka would be I think quaka would be a good starter I think the problem is that if you want to how do you how do you are distinctly Australian like they are obviously but I don't know that they're like something that somebody would immediately identify as an Australian critter in the same way that they would with a cuckabur or a kangaroo I think that the quaka virtually it's it's big appeal other than the fact that they're they're heckin' adorable it's the fact that they're very friendly and they look happy so how do you take that and evolve it into something that's tough and brawly it you feel like you lose the essence of what it is and it's it needs to be just like a general it needs to be like the um the rotata in a way but it stays what it doesn't it evolve into a rat king or whatever it fucking does but it just eradicate that's it yeah but it just stays what it is and it's just a happy little cutesy Pokemon you have in the roster it's not you're not meant to fight with it it's just it's like a world building Pokemon in a way you know you can have them around I think um yeah I think that's probably what like if the quaka should be nah I was gonna say it should be like the zigzagoon or bidu for uh of this of this landscape but probably not it should be something else uh what type oh oh quick wait wait fun fact about the quakas is that on the island where you can find the there are quakas are actually nocturnal however the quakas on the side of the island with the humans have turned diurnal because they want to be out when the people are out so their schedule has essentially flipped in terms of their sleeping so they used to sleep during the night during the day but now they sleep during the night because they want to be out when the people are out uh because they're so they're they're so friendly with humans and everything and the quakas on the side with the island where the humans are at they they're more successful than the quakas on the other side of the island who don't really have as much human contact so on what nest island that's where they live yeah I should yeah I think that is the name yeah yeah because it's the silent yeah yeah because I think it because they're called like I quakas I think it's like it's some indigenous name for like something rat or something like that I forget how the island got its name but well I think Rotnest would have been named after some like explorer from Europe would be my guess um Rotnest island I can actually I can look it up really quick while you're cause a lot of things here are named after explorers yeah what type would each australia start to have what type oh I mean you oh like in terms of if I figured out I was kind of thinking about that as I ran through like fire I think gotta have that no no no what I mean is like I mean which one would be what right like if I say a kangaroo and a cuckaburra it's like which should be which um I don't know I feel like you could have like a cuckaburra that's a fire type but maybe that encroaches too much on torchic blazer can that I uh but there's I mean you have like that anyway eventually with oh damn I don't know I feel like if we had a platypus it would definitely be the water type like that uh yes and it wouldn't have to be blue thank christ no it doesn't need to be blue I can imagine if you have like a kangaroo as a fire type because then he could turn and of course I was thinking he'd be a rock or fire type like in the champ sort of thing because because the big feet yeah like he's got the big feet he's got to be like hitmanly hitmanly you got the big kicks and the jumps yeah kangaroos as a fire type and his final evolution he gets box and gloves like part of him he turns into a massive a massive oh my god and maybe uh maybe the kookaburra would be our grass type a grassy burb has there ever been a grass type on this bird I don't know they're typically normal type because they because they're I guess in their air and they fly maybe there are but I a lot of them don't come to mind oh right the owl that stares into your soul that was a grass type yeah it's hard for me to associate bird and grass type unless it was like a flightless bird yeah you could do like an emu or a cassowary kind of thing you could do an emu because if because those are probably hella cute in their first evolution like as their chicks and then they can grow up and be fierce with big old legs and the beak yeah yeah that and they could be colorful because cassowaries are like blue and they got the little red on them so you could make them really colorful yeah I think we now that guys we got a plot on this a kangaroos and a cast and an emu and just give us a ring we could do it for you I do have an answer for you though for about the island Rotnest Island was first documented by William Devlamming in 1696 who called it Chetland Tarotnest which means rats nest island after the oh the population that's right I know that now that you've told me yeah yeah that's how it works for me I know that that's how it works for me no I mean I knew that before yeah that's how it works told you know it that's how it works yeah that's great so brains work don't make fun of me they call it Lune no I do I do I do I do um wait where am I at is Black Panther 2018 better or worse than Wakanda forever oh I can't remember enough but I almost want to say yes but you want to say yes to the question of better or worse I want to say present but not voting is what I want to say um I I'm not sure I'd have to rewatch the 2018 one because a lot of the bullshit wheel building actually does come from Black Panther one not two yeah yeah per yeah it's tough to say I'd have to rewatch but the fact that I'm saying it's close tells you how bad both Dr. Frongo did you catch Crobecat's latest video on Halo 1 dude that thing almost made me like cry like I I swear to God I was crying when I watched that video it's so good because it just from it makes you it makes you remember the good times like Halo was it was a phenomenon and it was what brought people together and it was the game you played with your friends that it's been damn it's been decade plus and I still remember individual games that I played with my friends on split screen and Halo 3 and 2 and stuff when we were all together in my friends house and all those memories coming back and all the fun we had and the things that we did man oh if I could if I had a time machine if I could go back and just relive those sleepovers at a friends house and we're all playing Halo loads of people have really big Halo memory I mean it's not the thing it used to be split screen just isn't the thing it used to be on account of you know consoles and TVs and things and I hope it continues to be with PCs it's it makes a little bit more sense because a lot of desktops and things their nature but you know consoles aren't going anywhere anytime soon and thank god they're getting you know more powerful and stuff but I want people to be you know especially I want kids to experience that that joy of going over to a friends house and sitting next to them on a couch and maybe someone else there's only so much room on the couch someone maybe has to stand up and and everyone's got the brings their controllers and they all play split screen of a game and it's just it's it's so much fun and I don't want that social gaming thing to disappear great memories great memories go back to my last super chat the old drama was Yu-Gi-Oh I don't think that I don't care that it's Yu-Gi-Oh Pokémon we were just saying that like like I don't I'm sorry that sounded like that you're back straight what I mean is that I it didn't matter if it was Pokémon or Yu-Gi-Oh to I what rag said was that he thought that the name like O-Jama's turning into O-Jama King or O-Jama Emperor sounds kind of sucky compared to it does sound sucky yeah because Niddo Niddo King Niddo Queen Nidorina Nidorina yeah it's it has there's sort of a when you say it it doesn't sound awkward really but yeah yeah my I have the same probably criticism of both Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh for naming commitment it wouldn't be like oh this name is okay because it's Pokémon whereas it would be not okay in Yu-Gi-Oh I don't know anything about Yu-Gi-Oh some stuff sounds cool from it though I think rags is more I played it back in the day when it first came out but I haven't played it in many years what I've seen of the game now it's not something that I'd ever touch so it seems to just become a different game in a way so I'm glad I got into it while I was because I enjoyed playing it while I played it I didn't it was fun to bring your cards to school and play with people and you know I didn't mean for that sound off so it was genuine and I don't care what you do I didn't mean it to sound harsh I was just being honest might have been asked but what's your number one Pokémon I think I've always said mines between Zapdos and Blastoise I love the both of those there are many that I like it's it's probably going to be one of the originals because those are the ones I'm most familiar with I played gold and silver so I got some of the Gen 2's but I mean it's Arcanine I've probably he's it just has that I love dogs it's got that majestic fiery quality to it there's just something cool about him but I really like I like a lot of them there was a quality quality designs and Pokémon and stuff but I guess I'm going to go with Arcanine I haven't played Pokémon in so long like I don't know I don't know anymore all right his is cum I mean muck what about you Free I don't know what I would pick I would have to think about that yeah I don't have an answer right now all right me and Free uh Rags is that this is they were actually Pokémon yeah what class do you go go the way out of curiosity I just went to Coolest Pokémon and it slowed down because it has like from one to 20 number one it says is Pikachu which I'm like oh no he's not the Coolest he's though that's the boring ass answer for basic bitches all right Pokémon Pikachu is great like branding and everything but he's not Pikachu is not cool number two is Charizard which is that's more acceptable yeah that's that's cool number three is a legendary beast trio Sue is soon Sue is Suey soon Do a Cune or Sue S U I C U N E is that the Ice Doggo I think so yeah we Cune I think that's how you're supposed to sweet Cune number four is Mewtwo ah seems to be generic again but I yeah five is Rayquaza oh it's a big Rayquaza is awesome yeah yeah six is Xerneas kind of ain't that and look cool Melodic doesn't look cool Ditto oh welcome to Xerneas I don't know if I'd say Ditto is cool I mean Ditto is he's chill I like him but you know yeah I like him but I don't think he says cool Greninja is on there I don't know I feel like some of them try too hard Eevee's not cool Eevee's just like lovable yo tries too hard for Eevee's fucking Scyther for your try too hard Pokemon ooh Scyther is definitely a try too hard Lapras I like Lapras that's what I really that that one's 11 out of 20 on this list I'm I think Lapras is pretty neat I'm Breon Meh Neuvern don't even know some of these Blaziken last voice is 15 out of 20 I don't know I feel like I don't know he doesn't care whatever yeah some of these are just some of these ones from the new generation are just like fucking bizarre and weird oh well Latterpuss could be water slash poison since they are poisonous in real life it's true they could yeah the males are usually they don't mix the types or do they when they get to their third stage do they occasionally mix in different types like fighting or ground or I think they mix whatever they want at this point is there like a fire leaf one probably I hope not we need to have boundaries we need to have boundaries is there an electric water pokemon probably I was just about to say electric I don't know I don't know I you yeah if it was an eel like I'd be like okay like like that's a special thing like that's the special one just a toaster with googly eye what would the australian legendary pokemon be uh probably gotta be like a great wall of b of a is rock I I I think maybe maybe it'd be cool to go for like one of the old megafauna like the mega marsupials maybe um maybe what if it was a go with a maybe you should go the route of like a legend like like like literally a legendary creature and make a pokemon based off it like you'd do with the the wind to go or the jersey devil or something like that original dream time story yeah yeah an aboriginal like mythology creature that would be yeah make a pokemon version of that like a literal legendary pokemon I like that all right do it yeah for you put your money where your mouth is for your mouth for your money if they if they make it that's that's something wow you had some pretty strong opinions before you had to back it up with work damn wow bowl fulls apart okay so that we are caught up um nice oh which means since we're nearly eight hours we'll probably uh sign out but before that uh you're enough you're enough mr metal commander hello what are you up to these days tell the disgusting people at home and chat hello disgusting people at home and chat well I've been I've been doing um my forges every every week uh that's right are you okay wait what I'm sorry I just saw this I get 80k life and it's the way that it's so flippantly tight I think it's because it's it's game freak is what they're actually called but it kind of matches them yeah they don't even they don't even say the name of the new one they just call it in the new one the new one and the new one no anyway well anyway anyway carry on metal sorry I'm sorry that's unfortunate that someone smell good yeah doing the forges every week I think I'm it's pretty much just a couple of days removed from me doing that for a whole year now already so that's kind of fun to think about yeah episode 60 was this week we talked about Incredibles with Jay that was pretty fun stuff yeah enjoying doing them and people seem to enjoy them as well so that's good stuff also I'm also doing all my streams now on youtube I I have abandoned twitch for good oh really why is that I I don't know just felt natural I don't know I just want my channel that has metals fortunate I just want that to be like the main thing where people can find me for okay games and everything you think that youtube is just a healthier atmosphere for streaming at this point it's about the same actually but I mean the chat is still objectively better in on twitch like their functions are just way better like being able to give subs and things like that do you can do that here no that's just the youtube has like this weird censorship going on where just randomly deletes things they're not even that spicy it's really weird oh okay twitch chat has like different colors for the usernames which youtube doesn't have unless you're a mod or a member okay sometimes it's just doesn't look as good and the the emotes like youtube just doesn't have the cool emotes that yeah the most which uses a better approach does I already missed my my kappas and my my pockchamps to be honest yeah does the you can there's the icon show in the chat on twitch it's like people have profile icons that show no no okay there's like badges that you they can get like okay can make people VIPs or if they subscribe they could you can make little icon and stuff but yeah I just wanted to be the forge channel to be the the main one for people to to find me which that's what's happening right now yeah I renamed the things like the forge one is just called metal commander now and I yesterday changed the other one from metal commander archive because that's annoying to mootle yeah I saw that yeah because I got annoyed because the the now mootle channel is the one I have everyone I'm sub to or I'm a member on every time I've typed something it just said metal commander archive was like that's just so long and dumb so that's what I that's why I changed it around but yeah you can find me all over the YouTube's now doing all the things yeah done 60 60 episodes of metals forge it's been it's been fun yeah it's gonna be gonna be more than I've ever mentioned but you've gone the hell door bank yeah the one two weeks ago I had good old John CJ G on we talked about Majora's mask for five hours was very good forge I enjoyed it greatly so yeah I like talking about games but it doesn't come up as often because they're just they're pretty much harder to just prepare for me because one on the way probably I mean yeah I'm definitely gonna do something with Ragnarok for sure I don't know when yet because I'm gonna take my my time with that one I guess I'm like 30 35 hour percent not hours in I mean I'm probably getting to 30 hours though soon but yeah good good times kum kum check it out that's that's good times I'm gonna be and keep playing more yeah you're Ragnarok yeah that's gonna be back to I'm gonna go to sleep now then I'm gonna get up have some food and then I'm just gonna start streaming again where are they found exactly what now the wards or the the because I've been I've been hanging on to your unlisted ones because I don't know where to find them have you got a easy place to find the unlisted ones I actually made a playlist yet I don't have everything in there yet but I can actually give I made a playlist with the unlisted streams I think I can put them on my channel side and then it just shows up actually haven't figured out yet how that works if they when they're unlisted and you put them in a playlist they just you could just use that okay script to buy streams for Ragnarok uh four the fifth one would be tomorrow if I'm not mistaken hang on what do we go to add a section here single playlist game streams well yeah either way me and Mal have a full set of God of War 1, 2, 3, 4 on it yeah those are already on my on my archive channel that's the Moodle channel one so yeah that's where the wads go up but the unlisted ones are still there I just need to publish that playlist and then they should all be there wait if I click publish right now here they should be there but you have to check the list if they actually got all added into that into that list but yeah I'm doing all kinds of things it's good it's good stuff there's a Yu-Gi-Oh card called Aya's Rock Sunshine oh well I guess that's because it's called Uluru so come on Stephen all the okay what does it mean for it to be bell card obviously okay okay that's a thing also isn't that grammatically why not I don't know um yeah whatever look up I know what you mean like A-Y-E-R apostrophe yes like belonging to Ayer oh no apparently it used to just be that is how it's spelled but okay Uluru because we have a we have like an arts and craft hobby store here called Michael's and it's Michael S like multiple Michael it's not like belonging to Michael or of Michael and it that's like all right I guess all the people named Michael got together and played the name of the store I don't know that's a weird rank about the like Johnson and Johnson's and Johnson's well Johnson's and if you were the son of Johnson you are now Johnson's and John's John had Johnson Johnson had Johnson's this is look up Joker's new Pokemon for a laugh I'm not getting any results feel like I'm doing the right thing Joker's new Pokemon yeah there's a Joker Pokemon meme but well but there's lots of memes I'm finding I don't know which is I think I'm supposed to be finding Barry I do like the idea of the Joker having a Pokemon probably would be like the ideas got here have Bonta or coffin weasing or Abok or Mr. Mime yeah I could see that Arbok Arbok um wow I'm actually didn't put my link in the description that's so rude didn't I nope just randomly saw it oh don't worry I'll also that um nah that's all good yeah uh met so wait so the other one that's me Fringy rags anything you guys want to talk about rags I figure you've got a thing to talk about one last time possibly one last time one for the road today is the final day of the makeshift rags 2.0 plush there's currently 14 hours and 40 minutes left and after that timer gets to zero gone forever a bomb will explode in an orphanage if you don't buy it that's why it's red and why it's beeping think of the children in minecraft in my in a video game but seriously 14 hours 40 minutes left and then it's done it's over the campaign will be done and you'll never be able to get one ever all right I've ordered mine oh thank you very much I've I guess my I did too plushes of oh thank you thank you I guess mid-December years will arrive for me but I uh but yeah last day if you could buy one please do consider it look at all those cute pictures look at them with those little doggie feats and his little beer and his little little toes and his tail I so very adorable and extremely cute a very accurate rendition of myself but if you by buying these you really do help us out quite a bit it's a big help and it's an awesome product the the ones that they send they send us a prototype before they you know commit to the full campaign and he looks good he's a good looking Pupparino but uh if you can spare some cash it is a a valiant purchase and I would appreciate it so thank you thank you for all who bought it something to consider uh I guess the only thing is because I'm still working on projects but hopefully either today or tomorrow God of the war Ragnarok yeah I can finally play it after it's been out for five days finally get on it was it delayed to Australia or something no no no I just I'm busy I finished God of war on stream I think the day that it came out so yeah and everyone should go watch the vlog because me and you talk about yeah a lot of the game several topics about the game yeah over on my switch um I also I guess I in the process of getting a new computer should be around next uh yeah next week so not going to have anything probably put out by then I might have a dog bites or something but nothing big I'm going to get everything moved over until I go into larger things and then after that I'll probably enjoy the PC for a while but yeah that that's sort of what I've what I'm kind of been focusing on I suppose making sure that all goes well as for me I have all you need to know latest builds I'll be the street on Ragnarok you'll catch me on use D for real BBC people be doing an open bar as well um I'll just need to I'll have better information on things developing by the time we get to the next whatever else you can expect because of course yeah that video is great but we need to we really need to figure out what's going on with Andor okay and I think it might be as simple as we'll we'll watch it and we do need to have episode talking probably gonna be because I do want to watch it and I yes I do feel really good sorry yeah I'd like to take a full set of notes and go through the frozen cons um I I am aware the subreddit is getting increasingly frustrated that we've not talked about Andor and I feel bad I'm sorry where were they when we didn't cover moon night where were you fair weather fans the moonlight people gave up they they fight summer soldiers and sunshine patriots they the the moonlight people are all very sad they give it up I'm I'm yeah we we want to show what we didn't do we didn't do it oh this is a cruel fate there's a poseless subreddit right now that says does anyone know movies with Charles dads that are good you know I love the idea that like there's like I just want to see him in something that's not shit he's a little island on these shitty movies he was in Ghostbusters 2016 and he was in fucking Godzilla movie look at this as well I can't find any discussions of what people think the next halloween e-fat movies will be so I decided to start one here the only concrete evidence I recall being out there is Mola said the franchise they watched this time had nine movies yeah that's true um and at some point rags randomly cited the antagonist of the sore movies I'm pretty sure jigsaw is well known at this point yeah everyone knows jigsaw I've never seen the saw movies and I know about jigsaw I can know the the puppet jigsaw is the puppet on the bicycle the funny thing is I guess the tricycle it's also the name of one of the movies in the sore franchise we happen to know because we last the last one that's the one that came out a couple years ago right that's uh but there was also the last one yeah yeah yeah there was the the viral of the book of sore the book of saw sounds cringe that's what was funny the reason why I was happy to tell people it's a nine movie arc is because I happened to know thanks to us figuring out what our arcs are maybe or maybe not gonna be but there is more than this it's a surprise how many horror movie franchises out there can constitute died movies as a as a yeah buddy there's a lot of halloween have like nine as well halloween has like fucking ten thousand or something same for oh okay but the thing is Friday the 13th depending on how you decide which ones should be seen and which ones are just too distant or weird to not be included you can come up with nine lists for a lot of things fucking no how about alien alien aliens alien through alien resurrection covenant previous I think that's six alien movies two oh yeah but you can include predators the versus predators are they ever gonna make another one or did alien covenant kill that franchise I think it killed it it could be something they were gonna make a tv show though right they're they're in oh yeah that's right that is happening because so that's gonna be on Hulu well who yeah that seems to be basically what's happened now Hulu is basically where Fox is they don't get many theatrical releases avatars like the only one because prey was streaming that uh that alien show is gonna be streaming on Hulu has it been it you know what Chad might be able to help has there been a theatrical release from like Fox ever since they were bought I don't know I legitimately think that what about the this if I dark phoenix that one is that a well that was I guess in the last three years like maybe last or two years because I think that was 2019 okay I could not I couldn't Bob's Burgers is that actually was that but Bob's Burgers wasn't that on Disney Plus or was that in theaters before it came to Disney Plus dude it might actually be Bob's Burgers that's cool though well not really for all the other films that don't get released in theaters but uh yeah um well yeah okay anyway that's it that's it for the show yeah yeah that doesn't last that's that's it yeah thank you all for watching we will catch you whenever we next catch them whatever form it may be that's right everybody we'll see you later thanks for seeing us bye Wakanda forever yeah walk walk nah forever went on forever Wakanda went on forever her oh my god you can't that's racist you can't make noises like that