 Yeah, I remember those days to running around texting people hoping for the best. And I will have to recuse myself from the main agenda item just so people know. If we don't get another member on that means we would, we would need to continue the item then at that point because we would lose our forum. So just a heads up. We could still take the informational items alright just not that item. Yes, we could still move forward with the rest of the agenda just not the item the scheduled item. So Steve could still present. Yeah, because because Kevin won't need to step away until we actually get to the scheduled items. We'll have a quorum until then. Does anybody want to remind our two other people to we're starting, or should we just let it roll. I can email them and see. I'll have some disclosures, but there's nothing that I feel will recuse me. Michelle, if you want to email them. We could probably get the meeting started and just see how it goes. Did they, they RSVP and say they were going to be here. I did not. Oh, here's, we just got Mark. All right. We usually do a quorum Jack, but we had. I just didn't hear I didn't actually hear back. This go around. Well, I'm going to start up just well here we are nine o'clock. Okay, I'm going to call the waterways committee advisory committee meeting to order, and we'll proceed with roll call. Let the record reflect that all committee members are present with the exception of Charles Carter and Adam Sharon. Thank you. So I've been asked to read a statement that the city has for board boards and commissions. The city of San Rosa is committed to creating a safe and inclusive environment. And I'll tolerate speech or actions that disrupt the public meeting or may be perceived as aggressive demeaning or harmful towards staff and applicant team or other meeting participants. Staff will be monitoring the meeting and ensuring that everyone's participating respectfully. So I'm just going to make a statement that a meeting participants acting in a disruptive or respectful manner they will be first muted and given a warning if the behavior continues they'll be removed, if necessary we may also immediately end the meeting. Participants have any additional questions or concerns they should reach out directly to the project planner or applicant team. I'm moving on to item three committee business. The waterways advisory committee is to review development projects both public and private that are located adjacent to creeks and waterways for consistency with the goals policies and regulations for creek side development, identified in the Santa Rosa general plan zoning code design guidelines and the city wide creek master plan. While the committee does not take formal action on projects does provide advisory comments to the decision making body. The committee is located adjacent to a creek or waterway or required to be reviewed by the waterways advisory committee meaning to prior to proceeding through the entitlement process. Hey, next item is the committee reports. And I do not have one myself are there any other members of the advisory committee that would like to make a report. Okay. Who would, from the public, who would like to make a comment on non agenda items, we're now taking public comments on item for non agenda matters this is the time when any person may address the subcommittee on matters, not listed on the agenda, which are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the committee. Okay, if you have any public comments, please raise your hand now. Okay, I'm not seeing any hands raised. Okay. We're moving right along here. The department report. Are there any reports from the planning and economic development department. Yes, thank you chair I do have a couple quick things. First related to staffing some of you have probably heard by now but deputy director bill rose has left the city. We're sad that he's left and we're regrouping on moving forward with, he was in an interim position so Claire Hartman is serving in that role along with her acting assignment as assistant city manager. Also, in good news, I just wanted to announce that Michelle Montoya received the promotion. So she is now an admin secretary in our office and extremely happy for her and supporting our design review board but will still for now continue supporting our committee and our advanced planning team too. You're not leaving us Michelle, you're staying with us. All right, congratulations Michelle, well deserved. Thank you. Just some updates on various projects first our general plan update continues to move along. The team is working on doing alternatives now so we're looking at different scenarios for transportation and land use alternatives. So those will be fleshed out with various studies and sub consultants and then brought forward to the public for another round of public input and meetings. And so that will happen probably in about two months from now. We are also this week releasing a vulnerability assessment that supports our update of the climate action plan. And then last week we kicked off our housing element work. So there's a lot going on with the general plan. And then in other news related to policy. We have kicked off another process to write an ordinance for short term rentals. So that will be brought forward as an urgency ordinance to the city council in mid October. And there is a survey out right now if you all would like to take that and then also encourage others in your networks to fill that survey out. And that's all I have for department reports. Thank you Amy. How about the water department. Any reports. Yes I do chair and members of the committee I have several updates this morning and one is from the creek stewardship program annual update which I think you have all received from Alistair. And he is he is off on a well deserve some, you know some time off to get ready to help care for our creeks when he comes back. But really the data included in that report was what he presented I think at the last meeting or or two meetings ago so there. I don't think there's really any new information but it was kind of more analysis of the data itself so just a couple of things. You know, due to COVID-19 we weren't able to do as many large events as we typically do but we still able were able to do a lot for our creeks and get things cleaned up so a couple of the highlights. There are nearly 7000 people involved in creek either cleanups or education events, and that equated to about 1300 hours and are 1300 hours of cleanups and actually over 8000 hours of creek based education. That as well like I said the number of events was curtailed. However, we were able to do more cleanups with our with our city staff because we were able to work safely in teams and able to get a lot cleaned up a couple other highlights we were able to add some more of our creek crossing signs out in the Oakmont area there was a couple of creeks out there that did not have creek signs we were able to do do that so I think we're right out about 95% of our creek crossings have a creek identification sign. We can only get the remaining 5% but a lot of those there's kind of some safety concerns as far as having another sign or we don't have an existing poll or things like that so we're going to try to work through those. Another thing to just on the amount of trash we removed, like I said we had our volunteers out city staff but really our supervised adult crews from the county is where we get the bulk of the material cleaned up and if you count all that together. It's going to be close to about 1500 cubic yards of trash along our creeks and trails. So just kind of put that in perspective and average car garbage truck can carry about 15 cubic yards and it's compressed but if you look at that on an annual basis that would be 97 trucks or a garbage truck every little under four days so there's a lot of clean cleanups happening and with those stack stack crews we actually had them about seven times a month so usually you know once or twice a week we have them out there and we're able to. address issues on creeks in a pretty time timely manner you know we get reports all the all the time about issues on creeks and trash and different things. And then also just we're able to support our volunteer creek stewards out there and we have a number of pet waste bag stations out there and we put almost 100,000 pet waste bags were used at these. locations last year so I think it's a great effort to help control that and hopefully get those in the trash and not where the. That waste can reach our creeks and also just as it always is you know there's a little bit in the report about there's so many community groups and agencies and regional partners and so it's just. It's great to see that and we're continuing that and you know I think everyone is interested to care for our creeks. So, I have a couple of other updates but I can take any questions on this now if there's any. Yeah Steve um yeah I'm looking at the report now and it's really impressive, especially the penises with. All of the organizations that have volunteered and and all the activities and education that's going forth. So, when I first look at this I think wow there's been a lot of volunteer activity, but we still don't have the volunteer program open to citizens right. That's still where we are because of coven. Well, we have it where it's open and we will support a volunteer group to do an activity but we can actually have like a city sponsored activity of more than 10 people in one location. So, you could have smaller. Well, we are supporting smaller smaller groups and kind of if someone else is leading the event we're able to help support them and give them gear and remove the trash at the end, if it's a clean up or something like that. Okay, alright well thank you. Carol. Yeah, yeah hi Steve. So any staff that's being used in the creek cleanup which department or departments are they coming from and are they going to not be as needed once more of the volunteer work can pick up again whenever we get out of coven. Those are members of our team so the stormwater and creeks team so we have been doing more than we typically would but you know after hopefully we'll get to after code code here we can kind of go back to more work where we will do some work with our staff but we will have more of these events with the community and with the volunteers so I mean hopefully we'll end up with you know the same amount of cleanups but helping to support the volunteers. So these are not part maintenance workers who are putting in the hours for the time you're talking about. That is correct with the data that we have but I'm sure you know parks has their own list of the amount of time and you know how, how much they've cleaned up on park areas which a lot of our parks actually have creeks within them. On that note, a large presentation yesterday at the board of community services was from James Castro, who's the deputy director park maintenance. Whatever his title is you guys have all have titles and he's trying to push to encourage more volunteering in the parks, which I know that there's there's more support for right now, even though we're still in coven, and we're coming to the end of summer but hopefully there's going to be more across the board discussion about that both with staff and with boards and volunteers. All right well with that I have a couple other quick updates so creek week is coming up and that is September 18 through the 25th and it's our annual acceleration of creeks and also pollution prevention week. So we have some more events and larger community events but again we're going to kind of hold things back a little bit because of what's happening in the world so there will be a streets to creeks cleanup challenge where we're encouraging households and small groups to clean up their, you know their streets their creeks and our parks or basically any areas we're going to have a virtual tour of Santa Rosa Creek, and I believe a webinar on birds that we see along our creeks and we'll also have some kids and families that will happen. And these will be on zoom and things like that the majority of these and then there is a utility bill insert is going out with more information about creek week and also if you go to SR city.org slash creek week you can see more information about the events, and then we will be going before the city council here in a couple of weeks to have a proclamation for creek week. So that will be happening there'll be more news to come out on that and then the other exciting thing is our lower cold and creek phase two restoration we're about halfway through the construction season and things are going pretty well. The channel is really starting to take shape and I think it's a little over 40,000 cubic yards of soil have been removed from the channel in this week the contractor started to put in some of the root root was and habitat features within the creek channel so things are looking pretty good and it's kind of you know closed right now as a construction site but this might be something in the future if we're, you know, back in person in the spring and area where you know we can have a meeting in the field. That would be great thank you Steve very exciting. I see that Kevin has a question. I had a comment on the creek stewardship primarily and Steve thanks for the for the report. Creek week sounds great. I just wanted to say the stewardship report is impressive for how much has been done even with coven. And one of the things I appreciated was the more the signage going in you mentioned that the creek crossing signs, but also the mileage markers that the report talked about going in I think lots of times with public work products works projects. And I just see them get older and the signs get older and they look like they're not maintained and so the fact that new signs are going in all the time, and the maintenance is so great. I think tells the whole city that that that we're still engaged with the creeks and that they're important things going on with the creeks and so I really appreciate that the ongoing work so that's it thanks. Any other comments or questions by committee members. Okay, can you confirm creek week is September 18 through 25 is this year. That is correct. Thank you. Excellent. Okay. Is there a report from snow my water department. Hi yes. I'm going to start off with the Sonoma County water agency or Sonoma water now. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Yeah, I kind of wanted to just go over and highlight some of our stream maintenance and field operations activities that have been taking place this year. We'll kind of start off with the vegetation management work of our creeks. So we have been working on Piner Creek from Piner Road to airway drive. We have been working on the stream of Piner Road. San Rosa Creek from Willow side to stony Point Road. Paul and Creek Cleveland to Hardee's Lane. Austin Creek Acacia to middle, middle rink and road, and then Sierra Park Creek upstream of Hoenn. We will continue these activities through about our vegetation management activities through October mid to end of October pending on the weather. We've also been fairly active this year and a number of road and access road repairs. And so we've been conducting a lot of work on Roseland Creek, Colgan Creek, Todd Creek, and Russell Creek. We've also continued to do and kind of finished up our last passes through of all of our water agency channels for our weed abatement and fire fuel reduction efforts. It's been a huge effort and we kind of we usually make about two to three passes through our channels throughout the year with our either our hand crews or mowers. So that's kind of a very large effort for us to make sure we take on every year. So what Steve had touched on regarding the trash cleanup, that is an ongoing effort that we have. We right now we set aside two days a week to strictly clean up trash with one of our crews. It's an investment of around $25,000 per month. And we're right now on at we're about we're exceeding or staying on average to achieve about 100,000 pounds per year of trash removed from our waterways. So it is a very large effort, a lot of the trash is you know not only sprinkled around throughout the water or the watershed but we also have a number of hotspots that kind of keep us coming back. We assist with that and to kind of keep our trash efforts for the most part at a minimum we also employ to full time security guards that patrol all of our channels and kind of keep making sure we're staying on top of people that are dumping on our creeks or homeless encampments that are popping up. So we start to wrap up then at the end of October, we will go into our upper bank pruning phase of our Creek maintenance. This primarily is on meant for trimming it for trees for five fuel reduction. We find that the trees really respond best to and it's most, it's best for the health of them to do a lot of pruning in the winter. So we will be continuing to do that on all of our water agency own channels. And that's also a big fire fuel reduction efforts so we remove a lot of the latter fuels and down would be vegetation during that time of the year. Another kind of aspect that we wanted to highlight was our fire fuel reduction efforts along spring or in and around spring rate Lake Regional Park. The water agency has been fairly active in this area the past two years. And if anyone knows where the Violetti road is and it kind of goes up to a large hillside. The water agency owns that property and we've been using our goat contractors to graze that area for the past number of years, as well as improving road access so we just finished upgrading our road. So now you can actually drive up the hillside and make a full loop around. We found that that's very useful for not only management of the facilities but during our last fires that were in that area the fire department utilized the road that we had just put in a few months earlier to set up a fire boundary and really kind of protect those homes that were in and around the spring Lake Regional Park. We also just received a grant from the Coastal Conservancy to conduct a large scale maintenance and fire fuel reduction within the spring Lake Regional Park. So after the next few months, you're going to start to see an uptick in water agency staff conducting vegetation management mowing activities as well as our grazing contractor will be out on site, raising a large amount of the area. That's kind of our brief update on what the activity is that we've been doing this past few months wanted to then open it up to any questions that folks may have. Hi, Chase. Thanks for the briefing. I just have a comment and a question and you may just only be able to refer me. So I walk on, I'm in runner park, my office and so I walk on Heinbaugh Creek and I've been able to identify large items and then I've contacted John Newhouse and then your security guard person comes by and and checks it and then they arrange for pickup. And it's a really good system so I really appreciate that. And then the other question is, and maybe you can just tell me who I contact is, I'm just concerned with some of the information in the press democrat that talks about the lake levels. And, and they're the numbers are a little, you know, for Mendocino, it's a different algorithm and then who did I contact to talk to about that. Yeah, the best person would be our would be Barry Dugan. And I can always try to pass if you do not have his information I can, I could pass it along to you either. Okay, maybe I can get it from you later. Thank you very much. Yeah, but any other questions of chase or any comments. Thank you for all the fine work between you and the work the city is doing. I can't imagine what our Greeks would look like without your fine efforts so thank you so much. Thank you. Our next topic is the main scheduled item, which is the stony point flats apartments. And our planner is Connor McKay and I believe Andrew triple is here as well. Before we get started though I understand there is there are disclosures by committee members or any questions before we actually start the item. Yes, Kevin here and I'll need to recuse myself from the discussion. So I will bow out of zoom and follow on YouTube. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you, Kevin. Any others anybody else want to make any comments prior to our beginning this item. Yeah, I just have some a couple disclosures. So I, I've had business or I've worked with a couple of the the engineering firms and consultants and I just want to mention, you know, I, I've worked with civil designs sin 20 and PJC, I don't. It's always on a client, my client basis and I don't see any issues with that. I have met with the neighborhood group that is in opposition to this project. And essentially, just explain what our, what the waterways role is and what our jurisdictional coverage is as our advisor group. Those are my disclosures. Anybody else. Okay, with that, we will first have a presentation by our planner Connor McKay and then we will have the applicant speak if they desire, and then we'll go to public comment and so on. Okay, why don't we begin with our staff presentation. Thank you chair can everybody hear me and see my presentation. You can. Great, thank you. Yeah, so, hello everybody good morning. Thank you to the committee. My name is Connor McKay city planner I'm happy to be here this morning to present the stony point flats project to the waterways advisory committee. And as a reminder this project is located at 2268 stony point road. So the meeting purpose is to provide an opportunity for advisory comments from the waterways advisory committee as to how the proposed project may meet the city's goals related to the city's Creek master plan general plan and zoning code policies and standards. As a reminder no final action on this project is being taken at this meeting. And then also to provide a little bit of context. This project was presented to the committee on June 24. The committee felt that not enough project information was presented in order to provide comments and recommendations so they requested a continuance of the item to this meeting. This project proposes to construct a new 50 unit affordable multifamily development on an undeveloped 2.9 acre parcel. This project includes the construction of bike storage laundry facilities tech center fitness facilities and playground facilities solar panels will be installed on top of the two main residential structures which will allow the project to operate at net zero energy and in coordinates of title 24. The project is located in the southwest quadrant of the city of Santa Rosa along so many point road, and the is also adjacent to Rosalind Creek, which is why we are here today. We have the proposed site plan that identifies a site layout and location of the site structures. Here is an aerial rendering rendering. Now also I'll flip through the elevation slides without a whole lot of commentary. And then just for clarification the above elevation is the rear elevation that is not labeled. Here we have the conceptual landscape plan proposed for the project. And I believe that we have the landscape architect here on the call that can respond to specific questions about this plan. And here we have the. It's an aerial that identifies the stretch of Rosalind Creek and identifies setbacks and the top of bank. Here we have a Rosalind Creek cross section, as you can see there is a retaining wall proposed. Just outside the top bank and outside of the existing creek path. No changes are proposed to this creek path or any of the parcel that is adjacent, owned by snow water. And the, I believe the civil designer on this project is available to answer questions about this specific piece. Okay, is there. Any comments by the applicant or designer for the project. Is that what you're asking for Connor is. Oh no I'm just, I'm just saying questions about this once we kind of return back will be directed to the civil professional. Sorry about that. No problem. Welcome to the Rosalind areas that's the basketball road specific plan the IR and that is currently being reviewed by the city. And here's my contact CT McKay SR city.org, and you can call me at 707-543-4351. In terms of questions that should be directed to me, I will respond to questions about city process and zoning code compliance and other zoning code standards. I have Steve Brady from Creeks on the call who can respond to questions about the citywide creek master plan. And then we have the applicant team here as well I do not believe they have any specific comments or supplemental presentation to make, but they are available for response to questions. Okay. So, unless there are comments from the applicant we can proceed to questions might be handy to have the diagram of the interface between the project and the creek up. So we can talk about some of those issues. Steve, I've got my virtual hand raised if that's. Yeah, please Arthur. So I have four, four questions and points just to make it this at this point in the discussion. The first is a question. First question is, Connor you refer to, can you put the aerial up. You refer to this as an undeveloped parcel. Yes. So, isn't there an existing property on the West side. Yes, that's correct it's technically not undeveloped there's an existing residence on site. Thank you. Okay, and then what stage are we at Connor in this process are we on a preliminary stage has it gone to design review where is this project and what stage. Yeah, so the project received concept design review by the DRB in early June and then we took it to the waterways advisory committee at the end of June, and then final design review will take place next Thursday, a week from today at the design review. Okay. All right, thank you. And then what changes. Are you able to summarize what changes have been made since the June 24 meeting. That presentation to make this simpler for us or Yeah, I think I think that actually would be best summarized by the applicant. I know that we did continue this meeting because the committee felt like there wasn't enough information to provide comments and recommendations but I do know they've made some modifications based on the comments they did here but I will defer that to the applicant. Before, before that happened, Steve, one last point I just want to make. So, on the disclosures form I had, I had asked last in June, I felt that there wasn't sufficient enough information and then a lot of additional information was provided. I talked to staff about this and the staff is on talk to the city attorney and they said that there seems to be sufficient information. From my point of view there still seems to be some things lacking where the information wasn't filled in completely, but I'm going to defer to city attorney that's saying everything is sufficient and everything I can see that I can determine. I don't have any conflicts, which is my main concern. So that's, I just want to point that out. Okay, that's all I have Steve, thanks. Okay, thank you, Arthur. So why don't we in response to Arthur's question. Ask the applicant to respond to the changes that have occurred regarding the site plan and interface between the creek and the project. Steve, Steve, I have one question for staff before we move on. Okay. Thank you, Connor. Thanks, thanks for the presentation. Great as always. And just to be crystal clear. Can you lay out where we are in terms of the EIR for this project. The applicant is preparing an addendum to the Rosalind area, Sebastian road specific plan EIR, and I believe we just received those final documents and we'll be reviewing that prior to the meeting next week. Okay, so we haven't gotten anything final on the actual impacts and approvals or denials. This, the city is still reviewing the addendum so. Okay. Yeah. Okay, thank you. Any questions of Connor before we have the applicant proceed. We can certainly come back to Connor at any time by the way. Just a follow up to Adam's point. Is there anything in the era denim that would make this project come back to our committee. Without providing the full review of the document, I wouldn't really feel comfortable definitively answering that but I do not anticipate we would need to come back here unless it is, you know, requested the committee and that's that's within your power to do so. Thank you. Anything else. Okay. Why don't we ask the applicant to then talked about the changes that have occurred since the last meeting and maybe we can get into some of the details of the site plan. You can unmute yourself now. Thank you. And thank you to members of the committee for for taking the time to review our project today. I won't go too far back through Connor's presentation from a high level we are, you know, proposing a 50 unit affordable housing project here on Stony Point Road. I could put page 10 of your presentation up I think that might be the most pleasant to look at for everyone. We've got so since the last iteration of the project. We've done the project design team has done its best to incorporate as many of the ideas and comments, as we have been able to have been feasible for the project into the project design. At a high level as it, especially as it relates to this committee. You'll notice as we work from the left hand side here that there was a swimming pool involved in the project. So we removed the swimming pool we are sensitive to the ongoing drought concerns that seem to be recurring within our state. The removal of the pool it also removed an auxiliary building that at the time sat between the leasing office building which is closest to Stony Point Road, and the first of the large proposed three story residential buildings. The return allowed us to slide the entire development further towards Stony Point Road, which allowed us to increase the area that is that will be unimproved, and is the existing non native grassland. It's approximately 0.9 acres of the total 2.9 acre site so we're attempting to leave a significant portion of the site, undisturbed. Looking through this also as we've been able to do that we started looking at the pervious verse impervious surfaces that are being added to the site. We were able to reduce the impervious surface level to the point where it is now roughly 40% of the project site so we're leaving approximately 60% of the area impervious. We have bio retention beds that have been designed within the project capture and to treat any stormwater runoff that is created by the pervious surfaces here. Those would be the primary changes that would would be coming under into discussion here. Okay. Happy to answer any questions. Yeah, I should also mention from our team. We have Lauren and Michelle Bruggeman from Phoenix Development we also have our project architect, Keith Labus civil engineer Dennis Dalby, our landscape architect, Justin Heacock, and Lori Minaris from do that who has been conducting our environmental review. Thank you. Questions by the committee. I defer to other committee members first. Are there any by other members. Go, go ahead, Arthur. Are you feel thank you very much for the briefing. I'd like to understand a little bit more about the location of the small wetlands on this on this site plan this post site plan. Are you able to describe where those were. That's my first question. Sorry, unmute myself here Connor you able to pull up the additional delineation map. Yeah, I think we did. I think that's probably our best best means of displaying the wetlands in relation to the project. Yeah, definitely give me one sec. Thank you. Just for just as a note, I believe this document that I'm about to share was shared with the WAC yesterday. And I saw it and I just, I just don't quite understand if it was interposed on this and I don't have better understanding I just want to see what replaced the wetlands that's what I'm just trying to comprehend. For sure. There we go. Thank you for your patience one more sec. So this is Lori Minaris if you want me to speak to that figure once Connor pulled that up. Yes, please Lori. Okay, here we go. Thanks Connor. So these are our wetlands that are shown here they're labeled w one through w four. So those are all features that are donated as three parameter wetlands, and that's using the Army Corps of Engineers standards. So these are the areas that were verified by the core when they conducted their site visit. The shifting of the project boundary to the west towards Stony Point Road has now completely avoided wetland w one. So that one was formerly within the project site boundary but this allowed us to pull back a little bit and have less impact. Additionally, a lot of the wetland, it's kind of the dark blue line at the southern boundary, those all kind of run into each other, and some of those are within some of the bio retention areas. So they're like the main functions that they're serving. They're not high quality habitat per se for plants or animals that they, you know, serve some kind of stormwater like infiltration purposes. They're like some of those functions are being replaced by the, by our retention features, and then along the northern boundary that the dash one was a man made ditch and the core Army Corps of Engineers did not take jurisdiction over that feature, but it is considered a state by the Regional Water Quality Control Board and California Department Fish and Wildlife takes that under their 1600 jurisdiction as well. So that's the acreage varies just based on that ditch between what core impacts are and what CDFW and water board impacts are. Thank you very much that's really helpful. And associated with that could. So I understand another culvert was discovered that crosses underneath stony point which increases the flow westward, which may have an impact on the flood zone boundary. So I understand a little bit more about how you were mitigating that let's just say that it just as it is bringing in the fill and then raising the elevation, and then I just want to understand where that fill is and then, and then I want to understand if, if the culvert does help to change the FEMA boundary. What does that do with the fill. It's kind of a complicated question I'm just trying to get wrap my hands around it. Hey, Phil, do you think you could step in on that one. Absolutely and Dennis Dolby are you available to speak to this. I feel yes I am. Oh, perfect. So, so art. How you doing. Hi Dennis welcome. So, yes, we found by studying the stony point widening project, which is, you know adjacent to our to the west to our proposed project we found that as part of that project and a additional box covert was installed under stony point road, which basically doubles the capacity under the road. Previously, you can see this light blue 100 year floodplain area and you notice that it's all backed up at stony point. So the restriction was that single box culvert that was causing this 100 year flooding. So with with the addition of that additional box culvert from from what we've seen so far from the hydrology and hydraulic calculations done by the city's consultant for the stony point project. The 100 year flood is basically contained in the channel. Which is which is the FEMA floodway the the orange hatch you see going through the the Roseland Creek. And it, the little wetland number four, I think there's a little bit of flooding into that wetland number four but that that's the extent of the improvements that were made to stony point roads box culvert. So you have a second question on the fill. So yeah, at this at this point you know they're right now the the firm maps from FEMA show this 100 year floodplain. We have to respect that until the maps are revised and and currently we have a hydrology hydraulic expert working with the city to file what's called a lomar a letter of map revision through FEMA. To change the flood maps to what they are currently today with that second Boston. Well, how long do you have experience with filing a lomar. How long does that typically take. Oh, it all depends on it's, you know, as long as long as we can get the information from the city. You know, the hydrology study that was done for the creek and the box culvert, as long as we can get that information and don't have to recreate it. You know, we're looking we're looking at probably three months or more. Okay. And then, Phil, are you going to hold off on this project until you get that determination. No, it's the the determination can be made simultaneous to our construction drawing. So for your timeline. Yes, are generally once once you make a submittal to FEMA for the lomar city building will respect that and they will assume that the map will be revised. Okay. All right, thank you very much. I appreciate the comprehensive and fully explain explanations fully explain explanation is that a term. Thank you. Any questions by committee regarding the landscaping plan or the fencing issue or anything related to the site plan. If not, we'll proceed to public comment. Okay. And at this point, if you'd, we will proceed to public comments on item 6.1. If you wish to make a comment, please raise your hand now and for our call in participants. If you would like to raise your hand you would press star nine. And you will have three minutes to speak let me get the timer up there with me just one second. Before we get into the public comment. Phil, can you just really quick describe how the project might change if that letter is approved by FEMA. Sure, and I think I think that's an important point to note here. You know the project itself as we see it top down on a two dimensional plane will not change our site plan will not change the building locations, the design of the buildings, they will not change. What we have is is an elevation change. Yeah, off the top of my head and there's two different markers for elevation. When it comes to our survey versus the FEMA maps. But you know we've got roughly two feet of Phil coming in right now to elevate the surface of the project. That would be reduced. That would be reduced to the existing elevation or the grading plane elevation that Dennis ultimately determines is appropriate for the project. But it's it's simply a vertical change, whether or not we need to add elevation to remove ourselves from the floodplain, or whether the floodplain itself is now lower. And Phil I'd like to add on to that. The elevation the current elevation of the sidewalk on Stony Point Road is set. We have to match that we have to match the road, and it is in comparison to the site, it's above the site. So as you come off a Stony Point Road you drop down into this project site. In order to make accessible paths of travel to the public right of way, there still is going to be some fill in that area between the back of sidewalk at Stony Point, and the for you know the leasing office, the first building close to Stony Point. So what we're hoping is we're hoping that with the with the new FEMA map and the flood area reduced that we can reduce the retaining walls on the north and south sides of the project. Cool, thank you. And I think with that we're good for public comment Michelle. Thank you. Adam's got a question, Steve. Go ahead, Arthur. Adam has a question. You had a question multitasking Steve. I don't see I don't see Adam on. Oh, there you are. Okay. Hi. All right, thank you. Yes, I remember I have a question I just wanted some clarification from the applicant. I'm just going to say it's been a moving fence post, but, but the, just what's the status of the fencing and screening and walls so both on the north side and the south side. I noticed that there's some has been removed. It's been, you know, I saw it with a couple months ago at DRB. I noticed that the plans, of course have changed but just wondering kind of where you are and I know is there was a public comment about the fencing so could you just talk a little bit about where we are exactly in the design process for the fencing. Sure, so we've got we got a lot of comments both pro and cons on on fencing what that fencing would be would it be fencing would it be a wall. And ultimately we determined that it was better to remove the fencing from the project. We don't see a any security issues, which we would typically look at with the fencing, especially considering the parcel to the north is mostly open, mostly vacant there isn't really anything that you are cutting through the property to get to. On the creek side of the property we thought that a landscaping buffer was a more appropriate aesthetic for the project and its interaction with the creek. Then typical fencing would be so we are we and we've taken the comments into consideration we're looking at using as much as the natural fauna doing a quite a bit of our tree mitigation along that southern property line in order to flow the new improvement into the existing creek conditions. Yeah, great thank you and then on the north side it's um, you are now pretty much at screen hedging. I do see one main gap in there but it's that that screening specifically you know one of the main comments we got at DRB was before the properties to the north about having cars with the head in parking there and just kind of wondering the status of that. Yes, we will be looking at using hedging along that entire property line to the where there are open stalls pointed in a northern direction. And of course the the hedges that we bring in from day one will be appropriate height and thickness to screen the any headlight emission, moving north. And at that point it was determined in our noise analysis that any noise created by the property would be no louder than the ambient noises of the neighborhood that is currently existing. Yeah, got you on that. What's the what's the reason for the gap, oh about a third of the way to from the west on the north parking. I believe what that is pointing out there's actually the lighter green shade in there is actually the bio retention basin on the northern property line. The hedging would be more so it's a big file that we're looking at here but there's a thin line across the top that small circles almost looks cross hatched with dots in the middle of it that that would be the representative representation of the hedging. So it is, it's continuous to hold on. Yes, yes, it opens up around the trash enclosure there. There will be screens or walls or the trellis so. Yes, great. Well thank you for clearing that up till. Absolutely. Okay. Should we proceed to public. Public waiting to speak. Yes, we do have three members of the public with their hands raised. Let me share my screen. Just one moment. Stephen, you should have a prompt allowing you to unmute. And if you could please state your name for the record and begin when the timer begins please. Can you hear me. Yes, go ahead. Okay, my name is Steven Hunter. I'm from Trombetta street just north of this project site. I guess my main concern is I feel that this project in general has easily half a dozen problems. And I feel like that, that the public hasn't had the adequate two way conversation with the designers engineers, planners, whoever to adequately express all of our work, you know, have things that adjusted. I don't, I don't know if it's because of COVID and you know we're limited to our three minutes of speaking each or less sometimes, but this project easily has half a dozen major problems. We know from prior testimony that post the stony point road widening, including the extra culvert that the product that the parcel just north of the parcel in question floods the lady has spoken several times at least twice. She said that the city of Santa Rosa had to go out there and pump her property. I mean, there should the city of Santa Rosa should have a record of this. They had, they killed her tree, one of those heritage oaks because it was underwater. This is after the culvert was installed. We, I mean, I feel like that we repeat the same things over and over, because there isn't a good two way communication furthermore, there's a petition that I signed 150 people in this immediate area signed a petition with concerns I don't feel like that anybody's listening. Where is the city council person why isn't he on these in these meetings, this project obviously has intense potential concerns and I don't feel like that the that the people of this area are being heard in fact I feel like this project is moving forward in a way that basically treats the public as a nuisance. I have no idea where our city councilman is I've I've emailed him myself he doesn't respond. I think that there's an organized group that reached out to him that, and he's not responding, I would say we need to put the brakes on this project, until we have some adequate two way conversation and address each and every concern. I do not think that this, you know, talking for, you know, three minutes is adequate, I think this project has major problems. Thank you. Thank you, Steven. Thank you. Okay. Next, we have Aaron Aaron you should have a prompt allowing you to unmute and unmuted. Okay, perfect. If you could please state your name for the record. Once the time begins. Hi, my name is Aaron Rainberg I own the property to the north of this parcel. And I also have major concerns with this project. I do understand that there's a review in place but I do feel like it's being rushed. And that this board here should pause any further movement on this project until they can review that EIR that just came into the city's hands. We are looking at a Brown Act violation here with rushing information and not giving the public proper access to this information to review in order to prepare for these meetings. The fact that a design review board meeting is scheduled for next week when this committee hasn't even made a decision is not okay. Because again the public's being deprived of access to records and material. We need time to review the information and this committee here needs to review that EIR and make sure that there is no environmental impact that could be detrimental to the creek and surrounding wildlife. We do have quite a bit of wildlife in the area that will be severely impacted by this project as well. The item that Connor McKay referenced is what I'm referring to there should be no decision taken by this committee today. The design review board meeting should be postponed for next week until this committee can review that addendum for the EIR and ensure that no environmental impact will be had. We should have time to review that and respond as well. There's no need to rush this project. The developers here have not even purchased this parcel yet. So we are all in hypotheticals right now, and there's no reason to rush ahead until this information can be viewed and shared by all. I hope that the waterways commission will take it in themselves to really think about the environmental impact and do its due diligence to ensure that our flora and fauna are preserved. And that this project is thoroughly reviewed before any decisions are made and I think we need more time to do this and have another waterways committee meeting to do so. So I kindly and respectfully asked that the waterways committee. Postpone any decision on this project or any feedback on this project and ask the applicant come back again at the waterways committee after that EIR has been thoroughly vetted. And that our concerns are addressed. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, give me just one second. Okay, next we have Ryan. Ryan, you should have a prompt allowing you to unmute. Yeah. Okay, perfect. And if you could please state your name for the record. Once the timer begins. Yeah, hi everyone. My name is Ryan Schwab and my sentiment is the, you know, very similar to to Aaron and Stevens. I do want to thank Connor for the presentation in the in the waterway advisory committee for for reviewing. But I will start off that we are still tremendously concerned with this project. It does seem that the developers and the city are forcing a square peg into a round hole with this project. Steven did allude to the multiple issues with with the project. And we're, we're honestly pretty perplexed why an alternative site wasn't selected. You know, all the work that's going into this is just seems like wasted energy when there's there's sites out there that won't have such a major impact. We did Steven alluded to it, how that petition north of 150 signatures. The first and fundamental point of that petition was that a site specific ER, EIR should be performed. Not just an addendum to the Roseland. Sebastopol EIR that was conducted years ago that a site specific EIR should be performed before this project is is approved. It's tremendously important that we get this project right. And we all know the stretch of Creek is in peril. Both the developers in the city understand this, there is the Roseland Creek restoration plan that the city commission seven years ago, in order to kind of restore life and get the creek back to where it should be. The guidance within this restoration plan I provided a link to the letter I submitted. It does recommend a 50 foot setback from the creek for the parcel being developed. As of now, we're only at 30 feet so a 50 foot setback as recommended in the plan should be considered. On top of that, we all obviously know about the drought occurring, converting even some of this parcel to hardscape just isn't right. And, you know, most of those wetlands on that map are still being covered up by hardscape. We're preventing the groundwater recharge. And even since the last WAC meeting, the 20% water reduction is now mandatory. The community is doing their part in order to reduce water usage but then at the same time the city is approving project after project. Many within a mile or two from this project. You have friends on adjacent properties that are still still on well, and they're deeply concerned that. Your three minutes are up, I'm sorry. Okay, I got most of my points across thank you. Thank you. Are there any other speakers who would like to address the committee. If anybody else would like to speak, please raise your hand now for our call in participants it's star nine to raise your hand. And I do see Stevens hand raised, but he has had his three minutes previously. And I'm not seeing any other hands raised. We'll close the public comment in that case and return this to the committee. But I think I would ask for a response from our planners to any of the comments made or letters that we've received. Thank you, chair. I thought I would start with just talking through some of the procedural questions and points raised by the public as well. And just to just to start that conversation I just wanted to make it clear on what the purview of our role is as the waterways advisory committee that this committee. This is a project that is centered adjacent to creeks and is looking for consistency when it comes to a general plan zoning code and the creek master plan, but we're really only focused on that interface of the creek itself. And that component of the project. And in this case, this project's review authority is the design review board so they will be reviewing the project and the environmental review attached to that. And they will be able to comment on all things related to that project, although your purview as committee members for whack. You are able to advise and offer comments and offer suggested mitigation, as it relates to the creek, if there is anything that comes out of this meeting. I wanted to make that very clear. Also this project is within a specific plan, and a specific plan is a very streamlined provides a really streamlined process specifically for housing, and that's consistent with state law. That process is already set up and so if the project is already a permitted use under zoning and general plan, then the project final review authority is the design review board. It doesn't actually go through planning commission or city council. So that whole process is set up specifically in the specific plans, and within our priority development areas, because these have been thoroughly reviewed on a policy level and environmental impact report level. So, and this is actually one of the more recently approved specific plans that we have in the city. So I just wanted to note that so the project after your review will go to the designer review board and they will be the final decision maker. And then the environmental review for that is usually mostly the specific plan so most of our projects are fully streamlined as long as they're consistent with that specific plan. In this case, because the density bonus. There, there is an addendum that's being prepared, but a sequel addendum is really respecting what was already reviewed under the specific plan but it's supposed to capture any changes or differences that may be present. And in this case there are very few changes or differences but all of that will be contained within that addendum document that will be provided to the public and the design review board for that full disclosure and conversation at the designer review board. So just wanted to clarify those things for you and I'll, I'll pass it over to Connor for any other comments he'd like to make. Yeah, so thank you Ryan. Yeah, so these the Rosalind Creek restoration concept plan does recommend a 50 foot setback, but also what it does say is that all standard zoning code exceptions apply. And there's a zoning code section zoning code exception in the Creek side development standards code section that identifies for channelized waterways which the citywide Creek master plan identifies reach number three, which is the reach that is adjacent to the project as a channelized waterway. The fully channelized waterway exists and the channel is owned by we're under the control of Sonoma County water agency agency structures may be closer to the top of bank than a distance of 2.5 times the depth of bank plus 50 feet, which is the standard setback so basically it's saying it can be closer than the setback provided this encroachment will not obstruct or impair the channel's hydraulic function, impede Sonoma County water agency access or maintenance, impair the stability of the slope bank or maintenance of the channel, or impair the stability of the slope bank or creek bed fountain, all as determined by and approved by the planning and economic development department, the public works department and Sonoma County water agency. And we have received approvals from the planning and economic development department and the public works department and we are completing consultation with Sonoma County water agency, and I believe they are all they are on this call as well to provide any clarification as to where they stand in their review of this project. And I believe that's kind of the only project specific question or comment we received the other questions were more processed and I'm kind of more general but I'd be happy to revisit any of the questions. Again and provide further clarification. Thank you committee members do you have any follow up questions you would like to ask, if not we will proceed to recommendations. Yes, Adam. Thanks Steve, and thank you Amy and Connor follow up question, maybe just a super ultra crystal clear clarification to. We are advising and not making a decision today, just so everyone is clear on that so that the public is is clearly we are not making a decision at all. So, and providing comments correct me. Okay, great and to follow up on your clarification of the process and thank you for that is really great for everyone to hear on that, and that is going to be coming back to the design review board will all of the addendum. And all this relative in pertinent information be coming to us. Good. I'm on the design review board case anybody doesn't know. I'm coming to us net for next week's meeting when this is coming back to us. That is correct. Okay, thank you Connor. Okay. Okay, so that's when they you know, okay, great. That's my what I was looking for thank you. Arthur you have a question. Yeah. So, we heard public comment that the area recently flooded with the second culvert. And so now I'm really curious about the timing of everything, you know, I'm familiar with stony point road was expanded. So, was the culvert discovered at that point. And then unblocked. Was it installed at that point, and then allowing through. I would just like to know the timing on when that area on the west side of this project flooded. And if that culvert was functioning at the time. Yeah, one sec, let me see who would be best suited to answer that looks like Steve, are you able to respond to that. To my knowledge, I have not heard about that flood flooding issue there so a little bit of a assumption here but I would assume it's kind of some localized flooding on the west side of the property to the north of this project project but you know this culvert under the 20 point road has been in for a couple of years now since the completion of the road widening. So, if, if water is able to get to the creek I think it will flow flow through and there will not be an issue so you know I think it's more of a question for transportation and public works but that's what I know about the area. I guess my comment on my advice or comment is for the DR board DRB board to take a look at that and make sure. Because I'm familiar with FEMA maps I'm familiar with the lines are drawn and I know that they're not always representative of what actually happens. And so it seems like it's in the best interest that everybody involved is if that area did flood with that culvert in place, and the city responded. That's important information for the developer to understand so I'm just pointing that out right now thank you. Thank you are there any other questions of staff before we proceed to the recommendations. Seeing none, Arthur would you like to just continue on here and give you a recommendation. Okay, yeah so this is, I wasn't familiar that projects under the jurisdiction of the specific plan went to DRB to for final approval and never went to the planning commission so Amy thank you for that as sometimes I didn't quite understand. So it seems like most of this, most of this information is going to intersect at the DRB. I think there's still some things that are questions, perhaps with the DR that may modify the specific plan and and inform the DRB that I'm a little. I've already expressed my concern about, you know the timing on this, this flood that this flooded area that may have occurred with the culvert in place and so I think that's going to be important for the DRB to get as much information as they can about that. Everything else that I've had questions about have been addressed. So, I thought it was pretty interesting. And it was a good call on the developer to take out the swimming pool, given that the drought is occurring. I think the city needs to, you know, look at how things go forward with our reductions in water with a forecast of further reductions and how these water algorithms that are are forecasting our water demands in the future may not be. As accurate as they were when they were developed years ago. So it was pretty proactive the developer to do that. So I just have some questions that are still unanswered but I don't think we have answers for those right now and I think hopefully the DRB will address some thank you. Carol, would you like to give your recommendation. Thank you. Amy, thank you so much for the information you provided and Connor also I had interest in knowing what all agencies and how far up the food chain, the review of the floodplain and the creek itself went and it sounds like it goes all the way up to the federal level with FEMA. So you have the feds, the state, the county and the city, all giving more than lip service to this project. They're definitely concerned about both the environmental and the potential disaster implications of what could happen if we have severe flooding on the west side of Santa Rosa. And I put a lot of stock in those learned reports and analysis. They know much more about this than I do, but I do think it's very important that this be thoroughly reviewed, especially as a potential precedent center setter for additional projects of this nature. On that side of town. That's it. Thank you Carol. Adam. Great, thanks Steve. And thank you. Connor and Amy for the information and the applicant for the updated plans and presentation and thank you to the public for for coming and being persistent on this. Because we do listen to your concerns. Well, many of my comments until next week at the design review board anything related to design. But in terms of the, how it relates to this committee. I feel like the applicant is putting in great strides to comply with all of the regulations and concerns that are here. And, you know, I encourage them to continue with that and then every confidence that they will see. In terms of the. Yeah, the, I think the, the layout and the actual. You know, kind of the, the, the initial thoughts in terms of how the, the landscape interfaces with the waterways and the creek there. One. Suggestion would be to take a look at the plant pallet and the screening that is on the, the creek side and, and, you know, the, we're, we're delving a lot into the nitty gritty of the site preparation and site and then the floodplain everything which is all very important. Kind of setting that aside and moving on to the actual project itself. Having the, having your, your proposed landscape to really talk to the, the, your creek side context, and bring in some of the riparian plantings the potentially, the wetlands, vernal pools, landscape concepts and, and plant pallet. The lot of, you know, the, the, the trees that you have, you know, I can encourage going with the, with native pallets and native riparian pallet as much as possible. I'm not in the, the riparian zone but there are certain things that you can do. You know, looking at things like the blue elderberry things like that really that, that talk to the actual the, the landscape directly adjacent to where you're, you're, you're planting, and also the, the, you know, sensitive to the concerns that are being brought up by the public and, you know, but very valid ecological concerns of looking at the, you know, the, the vernal wetlands that we've got here. Even if they're small, even if, you know, some of them are human built. This is a disappearing resource in the Laguna area and so incorporating the, the plant pallet for seasonal wetlands into what you're actually planting and looking for. I know you have the interpretive zone and it's a, it's, you know, it's a nice nod. It's pretty small. And it's, it's disconnected from the actual creekside habitat. I wonder if you can expand that a bit more if you can extend into the unimproved area you've had that the very east side of the property that is now just going to be existing non native grassland with no improvements I mean that right there's a with all of the, the, the thoughts that you're, you're getting from the surrounding communities that right there is a, you know, kind of a good faith could be a good faith area of cooperation and interpretation to expand an interpretive zone into that non native grassland area potentially thinking of some small scale restoration project, you know, incorporating something where you can actually go in there that does add cost and design and everything but you know you're you're you're receiving a lot of pushback. And so, I'm thinking of ways to, you know, ameliorate this is just kind of thinking creatively in ways. And as far as the for the public. Please, please come back and keep an eye on the designer view boards. This is on the legislative portal portal for the city of Santa Rosa where we have the agenda and all the attachments and all this information would boast on there our meeting is next week, next Thursday at 430. And please keep sending your, your feedback to, to our board, and also to, you know, keep knocking on the door of your city council member to really get some, some feedback. It's not unfortunate to hear it, not getting response back but you know keep, keep knocking on the door, because your concerns are valid. And we do listen to them so. And I look forward to seeing the expanded information information next week at the design view board. So, thanks very much those my comments. How about you mark, you're muted. We can't hear you mark. Okay, I too like to thank any and Connor for the laying out responsibilities and purviews of the committee. And also for the members of the public for taking an active role that's a, like Adam said, it's a very important part of the whole system and encourage you to keep doing that. Based on what I've heard today, and the corner of the, the bit of the project that that falls under our purview. I don't have any recommendations at this time. I do look forward to hearing what happens from the design review board next week. Thank you, Mark. Like others, I want to thank the staff for their presentation and analysis the applicant for responding to concerns. And particularly the public for participating your comments do matter. And we are listening and it is important to be there as has been mentioned. Regarding the project, I'm generally supportive of what has been done. The landscaping is much more clear that interface between the project and the creek, and I would though agree with Adam regarding an emphasis on as much native and riparian landscaping as possible on that interface. But I am generally supportive of the project and the way it's been designed. And are there any other comments before we adjourn the meeting by our committee. Okay, well, thank you all. And I'm going to adjourn our meeting of the waterways advisory committee. Thank you all. Great.