 We're gonna be live and we are live here. We are Are we stuck alive on the metal voice and we're back guys, we're back Bringing Todd along on our countdown year after year after year We can't do the show without Todd that's how that's how popular it's gone. Are we need Todd? to be part of this I'm honored and thankful and The 92 on we're gonna be leaning heavily on to Todd It was hard where we're like scrounging to find albums and bands at this point. So it's Getting to that point. You know what's strange when we were doing the 80s It was like, oh take it off the list. We just got too many take it off the list now We're at point of okay. Just put anything on the list In a sense, right? I mean it's it's become Okay, metal shifting metals changing metals turning into alternative and and a grunge and it's just Industrial and it's just flipping into a other another gear. We'll say right Yeah, I just got on to the YouTube thing so I can see Alright, some comments here. Oh Darcy six strings with has been so kind For my record and he put it at number one on his 2021 Thanks, so look at that. That's really you know what I'd love to do is send to send him a shirt Maybe he could send you Jimmy like because I don't have any public contact info sure But maybe if he would if he can see this and is willing to Yeah, send him a contact email. Yes, I'd love to send him an album shirt All right, that's nice. Yeah. Yeah, all right, so I made a lot of people just so you know I'm wearing a sweater. Oh, I'm wearing a sweater. I just want to show you guys this is how cold it is today I'm work minus 40 Fahrenheit. I'm wearing it Todd's sweater. Okay. I'm wearing I'm wearing a hoodie like I always do I'm wearing Todd and guess what I'm wearing underneath Gus G. You don't have to go What? You don't have to go any lower. Well, I gotta go you're wearing the long-sleeved Gus G Yeah, here it is. Look, but um, that's how cold I am That's how cold I am magic. What do you keep? What do you keep the temperature on in the house right now? So I'm in the basement Alan you're in the basement to right and you know how the basement is it's cold Well, you guys in Florida don't have basins. Yeah, but I know base because all the sharks are in the basement there It's like the iguanas and stuff But anyways, we have basements and it's colder in the basement because it's it's a lower level, right? You have a space heater. I have elements and the elements can't keep it warm enough. Oh Yeah, and I work in my my office is in the basement. So it's really cold when this is when you're your gas bill It's probably insane. Yeah. Yeah, even though we heat electricity the electricity bills insane. How's that? Yeah, yeah, but you guys have the opposite. You have the air conditioning bill, right electricity Dude, you're gonna. Yeah. Well, I just turned the AC on it was 75 and I put it to 74 Killing us first the palm trees You know when the dollar was on par The Canadian dollar and American dollar we had the opportunity to buy some, you know a condo in Florida It should have done it the prices were low coming out of the 2007 Recession is such idiots, but anyways people are at the beach and yeah, you know short short sleeve shirts on and yeah Well, it's weren't a tropical. This is a tropical climate. Yeah, you know, so anyway, there you go. Let's let's go Let's live in a good life. Live in a good life. So Okay, so a few of these albums in the top 10 list. We've been fighting all week and scrapping and Allen's been yelling at me And I've been yelling We go friends to friendships are on the line or something like that Friendships are on the line Todd doesn't want to talk to me for a week because I don't like what he put and I don't like what Allen's yelling I mean because we're not friends anymore. This is crazy. It's crazy. It was very easy I didn't even think we'd get the show going. I mean geez, but anyway, let's do it. All right, let's do it Here we go at 92 just to let you know the audio is dropping out a little time from time to time Cayman is it dropping off on me or is it dropping off on everyone? Let's just get that audio fixed As we we'll go through it. All right number 10 Now Todd, I'm not sure if you're aware of this album, but I'll no speak. I what I wasn't but I did Check it out and apparently they that was the only record they put out Okay, was this was this record and It was it was enjoyable. I I was listening to I was doing stuff in the garage today and I had it on and yeah, it was cool All right, so here we go Allen. Boom. I'll put it on the other screen there. I'm going with the Saints and sinners. It was a popular album. I think it's kind of one of those albums that's grown legendary over time For me, you know what that walk was a hit bump bump bump, but he grind You know remember that guys anybody remember that and it's taking my chances with another huge hit a Very similar to the song always by Bon Jovi But again, this is produced by out produced and By Aldo Nova. Yeah, that might explain the way it sounds It's our good friend Rick Hughes formerly of sword, which is another band. That's kind of become one formally not formally of sword Oh, he is of sword. Well, I mean when this album came out it was formerly now. He's back with sword But again lots of times, you know, we talked about saints of sinners and it generates a lot of interest on the internet. So Sounds a little bit like Rick Hughes with his voice sometimes sounds like the Snyder I find but it's it's a little bit more on the I Don't want to say hair metal It's more like it's more like more like more like like xyz or rat or yeah warrant Yeah, maybe in that vein. Yeah, so I mean is this is this one of the last great bands of that type of music from the 90s perhaps perhaps You know guitars are surprisingly good We belong is probably the best song that Helix never recorded. So I think there's a lot on there and you know It's a it's one of those Dark horses that have grown grown exponentially over the decades putting it in perspective Yeah, oh good me too Putting in perspective. This is a mix of our opinion with the world's opinion With sales and Todd we're putting him to sleep. I see Yeah It's just been I didn't sleep great last night and it's it's been in the studio every day and I'm a little tired So the album's coming along the album's coming along Michael's in my studio right now. Okay, we need a way recording guitars. Great. There you go. Good stuff. All right So yeah, all right anyone and parents saying and Coricho the drummer of saints and sinners is now in Corey Hart's band. He's a Montreal drum legend So there's there's a lot of Montreal connection there Todd I see that Corey Hart from Montreal Glenn Hughes from Montreal the singer of saints and sinners and Aldo Nova of course from Montreal Rick you so sorry And Aldo Nova and out so it means a very Montreal ish band so a lot of local guys All right, let's go with number uh, and again This is a mix of what we like The mix of what the world likes and what we think was popular at the time, right? All right Number nine kind of controversial, but I don't know. I love this album It's paul diano one of my favorite metal singers Murder one I didn't know the record either and so I listened to it again Yep, it reminded me of early kind of iron maiden in some stuff like maybe because of his voice his voice is so Like the opening track is like a fast a fast-paced track and uh You know Yeah, this is the reissue right here in paler The beast the rise children of the revolution of course is a you know a cover Uh taking old prisoners mark Shaw lock marshal lockjaw. Sorry and uh dream keeper and protector You know, this is the album uh made and should have made with paul diano If you would have stayed for one or two more albums or yeah This would have been the third or third or fourth album out I know you're a diano fan too. What do you think of this one? Well, I mean when I first when I first saw it on the list I said, okay if it's not shing diamond dream is gonna put paul diano. So At first I thought it was a bit of a joke, but then like, you know I'm listening to it and it's actually a great album Serious stuff. This is my first go-round. So I'm really glad you added to the list because I thought it was definitely enjoyable Who's that was that your pick jimmy? Yes. It was my pick. Yes. It was right here So what we do is we kind of have our own little picks at the same time We all have mutual picks and then we have arguments Okay, yeah, we have we do emailing back and forth and messaging And then I'm like no way and then yeah Yahweh or Yahweh Where's michael's suite when you need them? And uh, you know and so we end up so so when so people know when when I get the list it'll say a J or all of us or just a t for our initials of who who was the one Proposing that record. So yeah, I'll send me an email saying you're joking I'll write one like no fucking way And then and then and then Alan Alan now has imprinted me because I'll stay on the phone with jimmy But if we put on our 1992 And It's that's a dook dookie. It's a good uh, yeah So so benjamin benjamin layered. Hey bud. He's a friend. Yeah, he says but but is it metal? Of course No, no, he says the most entertained the most entertaining argument is when we say, but is it metal? It's coming up. It's coming up when we put our Maps our hats on from that time. Yeah, so All right, I'll do number eight. All right. Here we go. I just want to see that anybody out there I've heard great things about paul dianos killers murder one, but it sounds like paul has been Paying attention to what rob halford was doing. It sounds like a fight copy I don't know about that. I think this sounds very more classic British heavy metal. Yeah, I already made it to his next Strong on it. I thought his voice very strong. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So let's go. Let's go pot You're gonna give us a number number. What do we got now number seven number eight eight. We're at eight number eight Okay, here we go. Ready for number. Yeah for number eight. I have hopefully it's the right one Okay, I have the ritual by testament. Yes Um It was the last record to feature louis clemente on drums and alex skullnick before he kind of Stepped out of the band for a while um You know, I I I as I told you I still listen to that record um I know it's not, you know, one of your favorites, but I'm okay with it Yeah, Alan Alan said jimmy. I'm really enjoying this testament album Unless he was lying there Is this testament? It's another perfect day. I mean, I'm listening to this testament You know, it sounds a little bit commercial Uh electric and they had returned to serenity, which was like, yeah, great song, you know They're bad's a beautiful cool ballad and I mean, you know, you can't go wrong in my opinion Testament always puts out great records and delivers and you know We all have our favorites for various reasons, but I felt and look for 1992 There were there were there were it was hard to choose records that we all Were like, you know that wreck. Yeah, you know, it wasn't like some of the other years were like, damn There were so many hard-hitting But but again, you've got bands like immortal you have You know exodus and creator and napo you have other like more or What was the paradise lost? So there are more A lot of other metal bands that we could have chosen from but again thinking about Maybe the the larger selling records or the more better known albums is why we kind of came up with this but There's so many like I'm sure people will comment. Well, what about obituary or what about, you know I don't think we typically go into like that side as much Um, but yeah, testament the ritual was my pick to be among the top 10 And uh, if you guys don't know it, go check it out. Yeah, it's a it's a great record You know, it's it's testament. Go ahead. It's musical With with with the holidays being over. I usually listen to Chuck billy, you know Doing death growls and silent night on the version of a heavy metal We wish your metal Christmas that I have so I forget that he can sing sometimes So now I'm listening to you know, we turn to serenity. I don't know that's Chuck billy or billy ocean I want to be your lover lover boy I like I like I like your crown also I always thought so it's I just enjoyed listening and it's not something I would reach for otherwise Allen, where's pop-offs book? Where does it where does it where does it say? Oh, yeah Break out Break out the book the b-blay Michael b-blay we got trash last time we did this book So but I would think and and as allen's looking that up in the glosser in the glossary Oh Oh the ritual. Yes Did not make the top 500 Well, you know what but they have what does pop-off? No, but they have Souls of black they have Practice what you preach. They have the new order. They they're definitely in the book. They're in the book Maybe not this record, but for 92. That was what we got I would you know, this is their attempt to go mainstream basically, you know Sort of like capture, you know a bigger audience. That's how I look at this album You know like many fans are following the black album, right? Yeah, I was yeah, yeah, yeah So there's a comment from gabriel mcpolyn if i'm saying that correctly They have pantera, allison chainspade the more deicide see there's one of those obituary sodom Skyclad vader creator testament venom fear factory. So there's a ton of You know, we're not going to get them all yeah And todd rachel says Todd's the reason why I actually got into testament bucket list to see them live. So there you go Cool. There you go. All right. The lists are all about that's what it's all about. It's about exposing Yep. All right. There we go. What do we got now? Where am I number Seven number seven. Let me look it up. Let me get the graphics. Let me look too because I don't remember I'll give everybody a hint. Yes. I've got a body built for sin and an appetite for passion Stop talking about me. Is that a is that a billy ocean song? Here we go. Kiss revenge boom So our our other guitar player mike stone He um did a bunch of backing vocals on that record. Oh Okay That's cool. And I I got a trivia question before we talk about the album I'll do a trivia question so people can answer when we're finished reviewing it Who was invited to play a solo on the song every time I look at you Let's see. No, it's a guest the guest that did the solo on that It's not as good. You know for me was a big comeback album at the time. Bob Ezra's back in the fold Is it revenge revenge for what the elder? I don't know And you know, but there's songs like I just want to unholy Domino I mean even the deep tracks like spit and take it off are great And this is one of the few albums from kiss that I actually purchased and I mean I listened to it recently My copy stuck in the car and I'm not going out to get it on minus 40 Uh, but it's it's an album that was a for me was a huge comeback for them And of course, unfortunately after the passing of Eric Carr Eric Singer took over and um, I just think it was a much more focused album and Uh, you know with Bob Ezra and producing they're they're skeptical about getting Bob Ezra back, right? They're skeptical. They're they just maybe we shouldn't get him after the elder elder experience but Alan, you know, they went from Lipstick and hair spray to grunge looking with leather and back to metal and hard rock and but is it metal Todd is it a metal album revenge? Is it a metal album kiss? Kiss isn't a metal band, but I mean Somebody in the comments said that that was the closest that was the closest Revenges as close to metal kiss as the ever as kiss ever got that and carnival of souls So You know number number 358 Look at that 358 kiss revenge Out of how many? 500 It's it's it's something and then I remember in Wayne's world, you know, not Wayne's world Uh, uh, Bill and Ted's excellent venture adventures or was it the other one that god gave rock and roll to you Which I found kind of cheesy, you know any time It's kind of cheesy. It's just that anthony Yeah, but it's kind of like whenever you kind of put god in a rock and roll It just sounds kind of in that context that is it sounds kind of cheesy not to say that You know, I don't like the striper stuff. I'm just saying kiss is kind of cheesy That's good. What are you what are you saying jimmy? I'm trying to say it's a cheesy lyrics I like the gene songs on this album like unholy domino Dowshaw not I do like the power ballad every time I look at you It's a good album. I love that. I think that's when they're I think that's when they're better ballads paul was complaining that the uh, he still likes playing it today But the record company didn't get behind it Um, they were gonna lead off. They wanted to go with the heaviness with unholy They wanted to follow up with domino and jeep to keep the piece. I don't know. Let's do a paul song and that's when I just wanted was released and then they came back with the gene song with the domino Yeah, yeah, all right. Well, there you go. John Sykes. Nope. John Sykes is not one who they who else anybody else is guessing on there There was a John Sykes. Oh, we're still on that. Yeah. Okay. Let's let's see the trivia answer is I'll give you a hint. Bob Esrin produced it. So Which guitars do you think might have played the solo on there? None other than David Gilmour Dick Wagner. Oh, okay. We used on Previous kiss albums and Alice Cooper albums. There you go Alan, I like your trivia Todd. I see you're smoking again Number six is kiss metal the song isn't called god gave metal to you it that's a good point That's a good point came in. Yes hard of chrome joshua Metallica a favorite of mine from 92 was trouble manic frustration And lucha saying manowar the triumph of steel will they make the list? I don't know. We'll see Okay Why don't you do Alan do the next one? Oh, this is hilarious This is the only album that was a consensus amongst all of us Then we put at number six. Shouldn't that by default go to number one Well, there's other bands on here. We all agreed on I think I know there's I think there's one more for sure That was my little oh, yes, there is one more. Yeah, you're right. There is one. You ready Alan I hope I got the right one here, but go Boom, there it is awesome the crisp and idle Yes, blackies blackies commie. Right. I mean this is a semi audio You know, it could be called an autobiographical concept album Yeah, yeah I mean the drumming for me the drumming is phenomenal With step to howland and the frankie banalee the late great frankie banalee league guitars by bob culik Yeah, of course, but you know blackies emotional expressive vocals. You even got a ballad to hold on to my heart. So Uh, I mean, you know, it's a concept album about the The So this is Unsavory characters. Yeah, do you think this was Do you think this was sort of what was the character? What was the character's name steel something john steele Aaron steele. Aaron steele. That's a john steele Donovan. Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah What was it was it because operation minecrime was you know did well sort of that metal concept album Then blackie goes, you know what? I'm gonna do the same thing and it's the same story as the wall in a sense, right? well, but I mean Uh, I like it. Don't get me wrong I'm just saying I was thinking oh, you know sabotage did kind of concepts albums and I mean You know, you know, I'm sure they're I'm sure there's like many other concept records. It's just You know Some concept records or concept records and maybe people don't even know it look at this here I have I like actually I know this is cheating But I like the re idolized version Which is uh, you know, there's a few more tracks And it's kind of I don't know. I like it better that it's redone You'd read as all the songs and I just like this better than the original. I really do I want to just ask Todd as a vocalist what he thinks of blackie. Yeah, I like that. Yeah I you know, I think he has a really interesting voice um very um Kind of identifiable when you hear him, you know that it's him One one thing that I notice if you've never paid attention It happens almost almost every line Is when he sings a line The last word always falls in the note like in um Uh, I want to be somebody No, well that way that yeah, it does it in that but what's the what's one of their Because it goes pay somebody to Child child child child come and love me. I want you All right All right Da-da-da-da-da Of every the last word of every line Falls it pay attention to that. It's a very and once you hear it Like I can't unhear it every time. I'm focused on the last line Always just falls in the in the pitch. It's an interesting Thing that I notice that um, he does that all the time. But look, I I love I think wasp is killer You know, I don't know everything they've done But I know, you know, I've listened to their records before and and and and whatnot But uh, I think he's a great vocalist and the dudes I don't know how old he is now, but you know, I'm sure he's probably in his 60s or close to it And he's still out there touring and looks metal and he looks the same You know, it's like he still has the the same short bangs and the black hair And he wears the same kind of outfits and it's pretty cool, you know Yeah, yeah, yeah interesting enough Alan I was I just want to say I was working in the record store Back in the day when this album came out and it just went under the radar It really did. I think this was a grow over time in canada at least And I was looking at the number sales wise all the stores across canada and it was like a nothing album It was very underground which record the crimson idol Oh, yeah, it it sort of grew over time And I think it was more popular in europe than it ever was in north america at the time of release that is Sorry, Alan, go but I mean when black he sings and he's angry and the lyrics are angry He's one of the few singers that I believe like Rip your head off like this guy's angry. You can feel the emotion. I mean, it'll just turn the switch and sing a ballad Just as beautiful as uh, you know anybody else and you hear the emotion in his voice when he sings a ballad So, uh, I mean it's just he's always impressed me This was supposed to be a solo album He has a unique a distinct sound I mean when you hear it you're like, that's blackie You know, which is which is really cool because you know what let's say sit out of all of our list I'm obviously not going to reveal anything early, but out of every band on this top Top 10 Every singer is identifiable now if you take 10 records in the metal genre our 2021 metal hat You're going to not hear that That into that identity like you heard back in the day now. It's I can't tell them apart. Yeah Most of them sound the same I agree. I agree number 339 out of the top 500 crimson idol. Okay It was supposed to be a solo album like I said, but the fans were saying, you know Call it wasp call it wasp Chris Holmes at that point in time left the band or was, you know Left out of the band. I don't know what happened, but uh, there you go The crimson idol number six There we go. You guys ready for this one. I don't know if you got a chance to listen to this one, Todd The next one. Yes. Yeah, I did It's funny because I was listening to a track Yeah Well, I didn't do the graphics yet. You're you're killing it here. Hold on. Let me just do it. Come back Well, Todd's talking about it. I mean I I did a boom I listened already. Okay, here we go. I listened to one of the tracks and uh, Yeah, you know, there was some notes in there. I was like, okay, that sounds Like kind of slayer-ish like the riff on the guitar like the minor, you know, because they did all these These minor notes, you know, which bands made an entire career out of I mean the Beatles the Beatles did that stuff first But anything with Dio's voice on it. I just I'm captivated by I mean that guy could sing Row row row your boat and it would just sound cool as hell. So I'm such a Ronnie Dio fan that I'm gonna like pretty much anything he does, but yeah, I did give it a listen and it was it was cool He ditches the rainbows. He ditches the gold and all that other, you know, the dragons and now he's getting all I don't know nine years personal and personal and Yeah, there was a song computer something computer god computer, which is just god. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I was and again, I was working at the record store when this came out and there was a big buzz over it But it didn't pan out to I think what they wanted to in terms of sales It did well, but not as good as they wanted and time is both So coming out of the Tony Martin years Where those albums went straight to the discount bin and then I remember seeing this and saying just looking at the cover The cartooners cover. I'm like, oh, what are they up to now? You know, but then I you know rediscovered the album years and actually decades later and I mean You know, you've got it seems darker than previous black Sabbath or Dio front of black Sabbath And Jimmy brought up a good point this week. It's You know, you got Tony. I owe me. Yes. He's down tuning. He's darker But you know, he's also got the uplifting parts of songs and even an energetic song like TV crimes, you know, it sounds muddy. It sounds murky So it really is the production gym like you mentioned earlier this week It we kind of had a bright crisp sounding album and for me this album has always been dark for some reason and listening to it again this week I think it it is because of the production But nothing will beat the song I the lyrics The imagery that the lyrics bring, you know Dio singing it and you know, he sang it on his heaven and hell tour and On that black Sabbath tour. There is no better song than I it's just probably one of Dio's best songs next to of course The mob rules in the nights But I don't know I you know, it's a hit and miss for me I think there's a lot of great songs on it and there's a lot of so-so songs on it Maybe a little too dark where he gets lost somehow and maybe a better production or better producer would have done a better job I don't know. I still love it. I think it's some of his best Some of his best lyrics though Dio's lyrics because he's ditching the rainbows He's ditching the gold and the dragons right now. He's getting in touch with the world and what's going on around the world So that's why you know, it sounds better. It's it's just a lot of so there's a On a side note, there's a comment from Under the name metal music from across the world Um, somebody says with Todd's point about today's music, but they said That's why I'm thankful for bands such as ever gray fond and plas Which sounds like kind of it's like the european dream theater Um pagans mind and brainstorm I actually did a performed with andy frank from brainstorm killer voice If you don't know brainstorm you should totally check them out And pagans mind. I mean that singer nils is you know, he's incredible. He's a friend an amazing singer, um from norway and uh, I think he's norwegian. Yeah, norway and uh Pragy like if you don't know those i'll send them to you Like you should check this stuff out man because there's there's some great bands that you know never heard of i'm sure That I think you would really really really dig um Anyway, I just thought I remember hearing pagans mind first album when it came out. I enjoyed it They're killer and brainstorm but to your point. Okay before Why aren't why are singers so generic today? Why is it not enough time that they're spending working on their voice Working on their own sound depends what depends what you mean by a singer Now if you're talking about a band that's Screaming if you're talking about a band like lamb of god. Yeah, okay That's a that to me. That's vocalizing It's not singing it's vocalizing right is it's brutal and it sounds the way that it sounds but Because you're not really singing notes It's more just again just sounds. I mean if you're going I don't know There's no way to there's no note happening per se and There isn't so you do you can have some differences in character in that sound if you listen to glen bent from deicide versus uh Nurgle from behemoth Clearly they don't sound the same there is a difference in that guttural tone, but if you're talking about like singers singers You know, there's some people that have certain characteristics that just set them apart from the mainstream kind of there's a gazillion rock singers that sing in bars every night that do motley crew to Matchbox 20 to god smack to whatever and you know Maybe they don't Maybe certain singers haven't tapped into what that they're that special thing is about their voice. Yeah, you know Midnight a very distinct sound. I mean james headfield Has a unique there's some new characteristics of his voice that you're like that's james headfield. So there are some tonal physical things about your makeup of your face and your bone structure and the way sound come out comes out of out of you, but You know, look the reason why we probably love a lot of the bands we love is because their singer Really was different from the rest of the pack you know and I don't know man. So new bands take it out. Yeah, I mean and it's not that I have some unique original sound You know, I don't claim to but um But there's a there's a certain tone. There's a certain tone to your voice and people say oh, it sounds like jeff tape But no you don't there is a definitely a difference. People always say people people will say he sounds like Bruce Dickinson in areas he sounds like rob halford in some things and he sounds like jeff tated Those are the three that people and I say look if I happen to sound like any one of them and these are Such highly revered singers. I just considered a compliment. Am I creating some new thing? No Do I think that the characteristics of my voice that I sing with are More on the outside of your mainstream singers. Yes That's my opinion. Maybe i'm wrong, but that's my opinion You don't hear that sickness in the delivery and the you know Other than just rage You know the scrimo type rage stuff there. That's one emotion But where's the where's the vocal delivery that you really feel that pain and the delivery is like Fuck man, you know, you can hear like the singer for the cure That guy sounds so sad and he has a a great voice Because he has just that very unique. It sounds Authentic doesn't sound contrived Just the way that his voice sounds sounds sad and kind of painful and that resonates with me So it's a subjective thing. But I mean A lot of sink. There's there aren't that many people that are singing find your voice is the end at the end of the day It's yeah voice sure voice right sure Hey Hold that I got to grab my plug. This thing's getting low on batteries. You grab your plug and we'll 224 on the top Not the humanizer I guess we missed the boat Jimmy the first time around because uh Well, I mean 24 that's pretty up there. Yeah, so viniapathy We should also say that, you know, what a great drumming job that he does on this album It was supposed to be cozy powell, but I guess That didn't work out for whatever reasons You know compared to the d.r. Or especially the early d.r. albums He it's like he's held back on this one You know, he's playing the groove but you listen to geezers bass playing all over and of course Riff Beister Tony, I owe me and the time changes in the songs. I just feel like vini was held back I know he's capable of doing much better than I know when I listen to computer gods You know the whole intro that that drum that drum sort of pattern right at the beginning and the fills and I don't know You're right on half of the album. He does feel like he's being held back But he's got some great moments as well. All right Todd's back charging up. Here we go. Yeah Number four, I believe four And I think I'm gonna have to give the mic to Todd on this one if you remember number four You ready for number four. All right. Let me look. Let me see what it is. See what it is. Okay. You ready? All right. Me and Al were kind of like I might catch some crap for this one, but here we go. Number four. Boom There it is You have artwork up. I've artwork up. Yeah, Allison. Okay, Allison chains. Look That was a massive record And I saw them again. I don't remember. Was it the clash of the titans tour? It was a tour that they did with It was slayer or mega death or whatever it was. I remember seeing it They were the only kind of like not metal Band on that tour. Yep Dude, they blew everyone away and like even metal people liked it and You know, there was a uniqueness and again that very distinct voice And uh It means he doesn't want any part of this But listen that voice hit lane state lane staley's voice spawned an entire Whole other new a bunch of bands that started to kind of try to sing like that So I got to give them credit on that but they have killers. They have killer songs I mean They're they're this is a tea. We put a little tea next to Allison chains I don't give a fuck. I stand by it It's it's a solid record. Again. I was working at the record store this whole year And let me tell you they were selling Allison chains albums, you know dirt was selling, you know One of the best-selling albums at the time, right? So I give them props for sort of keeping that sort of metal-ish rock-ish spirit of live You know keeping it in all that other Look in 92 all that other shit was watered down. We all agree And it was it was getting so over done and it became cliche Here comes Allison chains with a fresh sound that nobody heard And they blew everyone away. And you know what on the on the that big metal tour That they went out on obviously You know, they were turning those metal bands heads for them to get them on that tour and And they and you know what they delivered and they're a legendary band now and they're still kicking ass Alan Well, unlike you guys I listened to the album So how I put it on Allison chains dirt I said, I'm gonna listen to it And I made it as far as sick man. And then I went and slashed my wrist But but I did hear that they turned a lot of heads On that famous tour and they stuck it out no matter what anybody thought of them. They finished this tour hats off to them I don't know man. I think I prefer nirvana over allison chains. I just just just me And you should because they're a little more punkier. They're a little more punkier and rock It's more I think it was more your generation Todd because you're a little younger than us and that was more It's a heavier record than saints and sinners if we want to just put that out there Because it had an A next to I'm not even picking on Alan. I'm just saying if we're gonna come if we're gonna say I had a heart. I gotta be honest with you. Todd. I had a hard time getting through track too Like I just I just Makes me want to put it on it's Jim but it's okay. I are Jimmy I have to say you and I are out to lunch Todd is right according to many voters that sent in Oh Comes in at you will not believe it. I will I'm gonna say Hold on. Hold on. Let him guess. Let him guess I'm gonna guess Then I'm gonna guess And wait, let me guess What I said 42 52 42 Well, it's at 52. He said that's close. It's 52. Holy moly. Look at that. I guess me and Alan are wrong We have bad taste me and Alan. That's what it comes down to. We missed it. I was really close That was a total guess. I was 10 off. You're 10 off But wow It was it was a struggle for me. I have to it was a struggle for me, but I could respect what they did I could respect because everybody keeps saying house and chains dirt. I put it on I can't I can't listen to it But I respect I respect the people who like it because there's stuff I like like kingdom that people don't like so I get it, you know But it does the it does deserve to be on the 92 list You can debate if they're really metal or not, but they were opening for the hugest fast fans at the time So vengo. Yeah. Yeah, this was a huge album for that year. So it deserves to be on the list And hey number 52 Hey It's a high it's the highest one so far All right, so does everybody agree is allison chains metal Or are they not metal? Do you think they are metal or are they not metal? I think Todd this is the first time where me and alan were in agreement and with and we were in agreement with you But it's okay. That's what it's all about. That's what it's all about. Oops Go ahead You know what they have They have some songs that would be You could compare to like an armored saint because he's got that raspy There's that a good guy that a good good good. Got a good good. Got a good. Got a good get there's that crunchy You know cool metal style rhythm playing Okay, you know the good drums are in the pocket and then he delivers you could say yeah, that's That's you know, it's bordering on it has metal elements. Are they a metal band? No But it has metal elements for sure and it deserves to be on this list I think there's enough people out there who would agree with you Definitely. Look, I think I think the metal most metal fans accept that like, okay, they They're not like really a metal band per se, but they're very well respected four times platinum That's four times platinum. That's four million copies sold, right? Yeah, somebody uh, gabriel is saying listen to that guitar of them bones or we die young and that's exactly my point All right Anyway, all right. It's all good. No Todd you're entitled to your opinion and so our four million Friendships are on the front here Here we go number three and I think we could all agree to number three also I would have put a higher on the list, but yeah, this is a no brainer. All right. I'm putting it up Okay, graphics coming up right now. Boom Look at that beautiful album cover countdown to extinction mega death Their attempt at the black album in a way, right? I listening to this this week. I think this is my favorite mega death album Great lyrics, great music, solos, drumming Everything's the true to form Every song is so strong, especially, you know foreclosure of a dream symphony of destruction skin of my teeth I just want to know Todd now put on your other hat And I wanted you to talk about the drumming of nick menza on this album. That's it Nick man as a drummer yourself. Yeah, it's killer. I used to play this record On the drain, you know, I would put the headphones on and I would Play along to the album They're great songs, you know, they had some hits, you know with that the symphony of destruction That's on that, right? Yeah. Yeah, great tune. I didn't look at the track listing, but I I wore the crap out of that record Um, I love the album. I love that one in rust and peace are my two favorites. Then probably peace sells It's a it's a killer album and I have, you know, nothing but great things to say about it The drumming is killer all the guitar works killer You know, I like every part of it Yeah, I agree, man. Look at this Let me just go to the track listing skin of my teeth symphony of destruction architecture of aggression For closure of a dream sweating bullets Sweating bullets is I love sweating bullets. They had a they had a video for that count down to extinction high speed dirt High speed dirt killer. It's like a tron captive honor and ashes in your mouth It's a killer album and the sound the production. It's the classic band, right? It's uh, It's our buddy. It's max norman and nick menza david elfson, of course marty freedman and david mustain How can you go wrong, man? This is like Top of their game. Maybe this would be this is their black album But I would say a little bit better than the black album I I tend to like this a little more 3 million copies sold And they're different animals. Yeah, yeah their fifth album and uh, there you go. They're kind of Polishing up their sound a bit because symphony of destruction was a bigger song, right? It was a it's a really big production, right with that little Sort of that orchestration right at the beginning that and then you're It's it's just I don't know man. It's it's it's fist pumping Eat the real me Yeah All right guys, so let's see what everybody thinks number three number three again, man Unbelievable it didn't make it higher go back to the bible here bible. It is. Yes. Wait. Let's guess. Let's guess Hey, wait, wait, wait. Let's guess. Let's get 35 35 Todd, where are you going? What are you guessing? What's that? I'm gonna say I'm gonna say number 22 go it was one behind ellison chains it was 53 Allison Again, this was voters. This is not martin pipe. Of course. Maybe maybe just decided top 500 on his own, but People voted for this and he compiled it But that is surprise That's pretty surprising. I thought it would be higher up. I didn't think it would be behind ellison chains. Holy shit Jason says pathetic Lost for words says sorry i'm late It's okay. We're in number three. It's all right. Let's go to go All right now just so we understand. Yes Moving forward. Yes to the audience. Yes number one and number two were really tough to Uh decide which would get the number one slot and number two slot When we reveal number two That was my number one. Okay And me and out me and out I would voted you for number one. That's I got outvoted But just so the audience knows the next one was my number one dick And I can defend why as rush always says three people is the perfect democracy Okay You guys we can keep a secret if two are dead You know, I'm gonna say countdown to extinction was my number one. Oh was okay. So that means I just Basically dictated But um Dude, is it up? Can we say it's up? It's up. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yeah. I mean look It's undeniable That at this point in time in 92 Everything else was taking a dump All the big bands were going where's my career? What's happening bands are getting cut from labels The shift on music television is happening And here comes pantera The follow-up to cowboys from hell which was A stellar record And this thing just punched you in the gut And every screamer out there now Is trying to do what phil and selmo started Not only that in the song like harise or something Um He did some really high like metals like halford type high screams with vibrato That was one of the one of the bands that I was trying to learn how to metal scream How do I do that? And it was rob halford And it was phil and selmo from from Cowboys from hell record And doing that really high Powerful kind of metal screams. He was a metal singer in every sense Cemetery gates the ending of that stuff But this record was was flying the flag and championing heavy metal When a lot Nobody else kind of really was they became the biggest band in the world Yeah, I agree and they came up with a sound That even on my record craig would write riffs like hellbound and down or um The one of the bonus tracks, you know, there was that fight, but there was that but there was that southern Dimebag had a certain style and a sound That was kind of this southern Metal thing happening that you really kind of didn't hear it had a little bluesy, but it was It was very unique and identifiable and um You were starting to hear outside of extreme metal. You were starting to hear Really kind of more complex double bass footwork from viny paul Back then you heard From one from metallica and drummers like myself were like holy shit. What's that other than misty mr. Scary Do do do that That was kind of what you got a racer x from scott travis. You weren't getting All these weird you do that so well, yeah, you like that. Yeah, you do well But you know, viny paul kind of started introducing some more complex double bass work that My generation really kind of hadn't heard before and so that was really inspiring as well. Yeah No I think Todd hit it the nail on the head I mean you you and ijer were probably holding on to the bands like like what's happening to them, you know, and they're They're getting darker and they're you know, like strippers got beards all of a sudden, you know so Yeah, but but that's it. We're and and maybe we're in his open to No, you know the newer bands that were coming along. We're Todd's being embraced. We're not talking 10 years apart You know, but it's not a generation. It's just the timing of the thing Right for me. And it's a unique guitar sound. That's what stood out for me brutal vocals and walk walk is a song I will always always associate with panterra like the song with it What that's a song you mentioned panterra. I always think of the song walk off this This this this band this album actually inspired so many bands Even when I was talking about paul diano His second killer's album, which I forgot what the name was It's basically a panterra album and even when he started walking on stage back then Remember alan he was just doing those sort of panterra yells and screams instead of the sort of alfred stuff Or the in gillian stuff. He was doing more of the groove metal His whole his his next album after killers this one here It was basically panterra album, but not only him everybody was influenced by panterra It was a whole genre just moving that way, right? And it's metal. It's definitely metal, you know the highest placing panterra album in the top 500 Yeah, yeah, where where did that place? Oh, we're gonna guess. Okay. Okay. Here we go. I'm gonna say 103 Now way higher. I'm gonna say um 15 Close it came in at number 20 See what is what did striper come in back then striper striper? I think that would have been against the law maybe Yeah, probably would be but I think soldiers probably made the list I would think soldiers and to hell with the devil would be in the top 500 Right now. Oh, you mean we're on to striper all of a sudden. Are you talking about beards and striper? I don't know this But yeah No, no, no, any none of their albums made the top 500. Wow. Look at that. I'm pretty shocked Hmm Okay Look to be honest. Are you saying are you saying there's not a striper album in that book? That's what he's saying. Yeah That's what I'm saying. That's kind of shocking It's gonna open our top 10 this top 10 list today That is the highest charting album in this book is pantera Wow. All right. Here we go and rightfully so All right. Number one Dream theater images and words phenomenal You know We were we talked a lot about Today we talked a lot about bands, you know, uh that You know sold well like alson chains different genre defining but this is sort of A perfect album in the sense of emotion meets technical Meets a great production meets great songwriting You know, you couldn't get a better dream theater album than that And uh, wow, you know, he even had what is that a top 10 hit with pull me under I don't remember it was top 10 or a top 20 something like that And kevin moore. Yeah, it's kevin moore was the keyboardist who played a huge role in this album It was no longer, of course the keeper pulled me under. I think it was the top 10 hit Top 20 hit. I'm not sure Strange enough. It was only certified gold Considering that alson chains went what three four times platinum you know, um Again when this I was in the record store when this came out It wasn't like to had 50 copies of it and everybody was buying it every three hours It was like one or two copies in the store and it just over time It became that big album And 600,000 is not a lot Right when you when you think about you know, plus, you know, they have I mean, obviously everybody knows You know the the technical proficiency of every player is just outstanding. We we've Done shows with them and they're all really really nice guys and uh We would walk I would go to our dressing room And I would pass by their dressing room and I would look in and john patrucci would just be doing All these warm-up disc scales and all this crazy shit And then jordan would be doing all his keyboard stuff and then You know, uh, I don't remember mike doing stuff. John the bassist would be on the bus practicing his bass So then like three hours later, you know I would go back to our dressing room and they're still in there And I would think and I think I peeked in the head and I said god damn I go. Don't is there do you do anything else? I mean, obviously, that's why you're so amazing, but I was just like It was non-stop Just practicing and playing did you go back to your band and queens ready to go guys We need to practice more before they show like the other guys Huck no guys guys guys guys we gotta practice Hell no, that's no fun. I just but you know, I'll tell you a funny little story You're the audience might get a kick out of this. So So this was when man genie was you know, it was playing mike wasn't or portnoy wasn't playing with them and We were um having dinner And me and mike were talking man genie and he was telling me about all these different Um all this mathematics and how he learned like I don't know a thousand different grooves in like So many hours that he inverts this and he changed it. It was like rain man He's kind of like talking to rain man. This guy is really smart And and they said to me hey, you're a drummer. I said I said well sit next to this guy I'll just say no. I'm not a drummer but He said we want you to go on we do this with at every gig with the band we play with And we want you to go on mike's drum set And we're gonna video you and all you have to play is the beat to walk this way for maryl smith So I said, okay, so I go. Let me just so we're clear. It's He goes you don't even have to do the backbeat just the main beat to the song I said, okay So I go up behind the drums and devin towns and was playing on stage And there was the backdrop and we we were behind the kit or behind so I sit on mike's drum set And i'm like, all right, let me check this out. So it's crazy So normally if you're a right-handed drummer your hi-hats on the left snare toms ride cymbals on the right Yada yada double bass, whatever Well, he's got fucking pedals Going everywhere on the feet So I I'm like, okay, I need to find out what pedal does what before I can even attempt this So I'm clicking the left what would be the left hi-hat pedal because when you go On the hi-hat when you hit the bass drum you lift your left foot and that makes the cymbals open And then you close down on your foot and it closes it. So if you were gonna do Right you would hit with the right foot open with the left The left pedal works the right hi-hat The right pedal works the left hi-hat Everything is on cables and shit is weird So I I couldn't do I couldn't play the beginning of walk this way. So what I had to do was I had to play the left bass drum Still sticking it as a right right still playing the hi-hats there like a normal right-handed player But I had to play the bass drum with the left foot And the hi-hat opening on the left hi-hat with the right foot. So he has everything mirrored Everything is mirrored and he told me when he plays stuff He can go down and down and down and down and down and down and down and down and down He has the ride cymbal here ride cymbal here the toms are tuned in different configurations So it's not small bigger bigger bigger bigger bigger. It's they're all different. So for people that don't really know Playing his drum set You really don't have an appreciation for what he does or can do and you know Until you sit behind the drums as a regular drummer and then you See how things are mirrored And it's really it's mind-blowing stuff. Anyway that record Is so inspirational to drummers and guitar players think of a band You know other than like you're you're you're you're Emerson lakin palmers and genesis and yes and king crimson Where every instrument was so amazing as the other guy, right? It's not like the bass player or the drummer just played In the groove and the guitar player was the star everybody in that band is Mind-blowingly it is mind-blowing. Yeah Okay rush Yeah, I how did I not even say rush? Yeah, I did hit him, right? I said, he'll get he'll get around to it. Don't interrupt. He'll come back. He'll wrap it back around But it is metal. It is metal, you know, they they they took what rush and yes did and they made it metal, right and they're Each member like is that each member is Is a virtuoso like each guy is like a master of his out of of his own sort of instrument You know all things dream theater I reach out to my good friend cork who I've known since we were six years old good old cork He's responsible I think to introducing dream theater to 80 percent of montreal In the loam And I called him yesterday said okay 92. I won't tell you but you know What's your thought of images and words and it's why'd you buy it? So mark cork or mark as you know, he's uh, you know first was the name We found the name was a tree and then album covers. He's always bought all his albums based on album covers And then he was told that's kind of like creeds rakes empire, you know kind of prog It's kind of on that field. So he puts it on And yeah, okay, you got pull me under which is the hit at like eight minutes, right? And it's Mind you that will fill in it's fine. Well, here's a medley of our hit pull me under the sound of it That's a it's a great sounding song of that album He says lucky there. It was another day, you know, it kind of a ballad it another day's great song after that It was like those are my two lifeboats I was hanging on to because everything else after that it's like what the hell's going on right This is a new version of rush if you listen to surrounded Just sort of that sort of that transition from like that slow part to the fast part with the guitar It's sort of like a little edge the edge playing guitar there, you know And it's just it's just and then metropolis right metropolis. It's like epic That's a harbinger of what's coming down the road. Yeah, that's an epic track But it was nice. Yeah, what I think about that album was, you know, take the time was around short at around five minutes You had wait for sleep. That's two minutes and a half. That's one of my that's one of my all-time favorites Yeah, so that's what I miss about the they started going on to the let's explore how many riffs you can throw into an album and Yeah, 20 minutes song some some work some for me didn't work, but I like this shorter songs And that's something I really liked about this, you know, you know, my cousin introduced me to To this band and the first thing I thought it was like rush meets docking, you know It's like, you know, james lebris had that docking ish voice, right? But then you had like the rush, you know each musician was incredible, right? So it was like wow, man, I you know that track seven that alan mentioned the wait for sleep Wait for sleep. Yeah, yeah, you know, it's like Standing by the window eyes upon the moon so you get this whole Very open airy instead of all that You know all the crazy time signatures and so many notes happening You get this breather at track seven and it's just such a beautiful delivery. It's one of my favorite songs I think james lebris unbelievable on this album. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. Yeah. Yeah, there you go And uh, you know, I'll be honest with you guys. I could have put one two or three, you know All those are interchangeable. Sure great albums, you know, and I'm sure everybody just just before we leave My buddy cork said I told him we're doing the show Todd's gonna be on he said he's got a bone Unbeknownst to you Todd. He's got a bone to pick with you About what he bought his tickets for the scorpions in vegas Because he wanted to see queen's rake and especially he wanted to see toddlatory life And now he finds out it's been canceled But he could see queen's rake within munch y'all with the judas priest. There's no but tell mark tell mark. It's all good It's all good for vegas and no disrespect. He said to the scorpion But the reason he was going was because he wanted to see Todd perform with Yeah, well, you know what? I'm very sorry that that happened to him and others I can tell you this the first two times it was supposed to happen We were ready to rock and then it got can't you know rescheduled and they kept kicking the can down the road And then when we got the priest opportunity, it was okay three weeks for nine shows versus six weeks at 20 something shows And you know sometimes business is business and I feel bad about it to be honest I mean, I we love the scorpions and they're such nice people and you know hopefully they understood the situation but If he can still go go see the scorpions, they're so great and And and they're still out there doing this man and you know our producer who's who's here staying staying with me You know, we had a great conversation. We should do a whole show about this by the way you should do a show about And I think maybe we even talked about this on a call one time jimmy is You've got your top tier bands, right? You've got your iron maidens metallicas guns and roses. Okay, you've got stadium arena Filling, you know bands that can play to 20k plus a night anywhere in the world When those bands are done Then you've got the next tier. You've got your corns You've got your god smacks. You've got other bands that are still huge But they're not pulling metallic iron maiden numbers. Okay When those are gone, then you get the point how this conversation started the other day was Oh, there's only one guy left in this band and there's only one, you know And we're like, you know what you should be happy that you can just go see them while you can because at some point They're all gonna be gone. Right. They're gonna be gone. So just enjoy. So the question was What bands name one band in the last 10 years? That is that can pull Any that can pull those numbers of those top tier bands right now like in other words, who's going to replace these Legendary these classic legendary bands at that status What band right now? I can't think of one is going to Carry that torch and keep that that kind of magnitude up Um, I don't know. I gotta. Oh, I know what I got to say 20 years from now So the scorpion so the fuck it 10 years from now. So the scorpions are one of those Legendary bands and as although we aren't gonna be there for that for that one if your buddy can still go I really recommend it. I don't know if he's seen the scorpions before but You know, it these are one of those bands that you know, they're up there in age And none of us are getting any younger. I never got to see rush No, and I always wanted to I always wanted to I never got to see him and they're it's gone. It's done You're never gonna get to see rush. Yeah, so If he can go see him go see him, you know, and and come see Yeah, that's it. Yeah, come see a Judas priest Mark hop on the bird go see a scorpions. What about stiff rod? Where is he standing all of on the dream theater allen is stiff rod a big dream theater fan? Yeah, he's a big fan. Yeah, sure I saw him all right guys. All right. Yep. Listen. Oh, by the way images are word number 47 oh and we'll just just quickly quickly in one minute. What albums do you think that should have made this list fast fast? That didn't I can't I can't think of any All right, that's that I mean we did our best. Yep. Let's see. Oh 19. I think 90 1992 is a lot better I think it is Okay, well, thank you everybody. All right guys. Thank you. I always a pleasure Todd. Yes, sir Be safe and stay warm and we'll talk soon. All right. Bye. Bye. Bye. Enjoy your hot tub I'm going to tonight. I'm gonna go eat sushi me and Zeus are gonna go get sushi And uh, I think michael's michael's about wrapped up and then yeah, I'm gonna get my hot tub later and relax All our best to the rest of the guys too. I will thank you