 Trump week enough to make you depressed Okay So that's Tim Appichella, Cynthia Sinclair, and me, Jay Fidel here on Think Tech Talking as we do at 11 every Friday on Trump week So this is a week under the shadow of what happened in El Paso and Dayton and the reaction of our Uncoothed president To those events and it is also defined by the continuing trade war with China among other things where it appears that we are getting closer to blows with China and China is going to turn off all its agricultural imports from the United States and Things seem to be unraveling and I guess the question I would ask Ultimately in this show is are they unraveling to the point where that will affect Popularity and likelihood of re-election. But first Tim Let's talk about all the titles that we came up with in trying to in trying to take a look at what happened this week morning Thank you for having me Yeah, let's talk about all the titles because there were so many that we had to You know discount because we had to find the right one and I think we did find the right one and that is centered around Donald Trump's hate and He could try to deny his hate as much as he wishes that he is on record when he first became a candidate in 2015 all the way to Rally where someone yelled out the crowd to shoot him and he smirked and he smiled and he said only in the panhandle Can you say things like that? Well, apparently not. Apparently in all of Texas this kind of attitude Seems to rain and it's it's it's tragic and that's why the titles we came up with were an Impeachment wait that was a possible title is hate just the beginning How many more L parcels in our future doubling down on hate and Our century is burning Yeah Country So let's talk about Trump's reaction to what happened in El Paso and Dayton. What are your thoughts on that? There were lots of lies first off. He tries to pin it all on mental illness Not putting any kind of responsibility on guns Wouldn't want to make that NRA mad But of course doesn't take any responsibility for his own hate speech He has just recently taken out two thousand ads on Facebook for re-election ads, right and all of them Directly call it an invasion on our southern border now the guy who went and shot those people in El Paso verbatim quotes Trump's hate speech they can make a direct link from this kid To what Trump is saying every Democrat that's running for a president right now has come out and Said that this is a direct result of Trump's hate speech and they're all Calling him a white supremacist Not just Elizabeth Warren Beto or Rourke Biden did also Joe Biden did in his big speech too so and then I always forget the guy's first name that Oriental Yang No, it's not John I can't remember his first name, but Yang at any rate is also same thing I heard him last night say that he believes that there is a link and it's Pretty unavoidable if it walks like a duck quacks like a duck is a duck That's what he said and it's really true, you know So when you and he's doubling down doubling down all of it. That's what he always does triple quadruple Oh, yeah, I guess the question I put to you Tim is are we gonna have more of this? Is Congress going to do anything to stop it or slow it down? I'm not talking about guns yet We'll get to that. I'm talking about white supremacy. We're talking about hatred of of Latinos the Trump administration already tried to push back Department of Homeland Security's designation that white supremacist groups are as dangerous as any kind of international Terrorism group and they so tried to define it and the White House is pushing back on that. Why? Well, didn't Mitch McConnell say that he was he was gonna take action of some kind but not now later After the recess, well, we've heard this about Parkland How many shootings are they so engaged and revved up now to make a difference and prevent these kind of tragedies and these you know these hateful assassinations and and and murders and Not for no nothing ever is followed through because he knows the attention span of the American public is quite short Yeah, so by the time they come back there's something else gross will happen I think finally they did outlaw the bum socks Things that would allow a single shot into a multiple shot rifle They did actually use something and they banned that but it took up. It was an uphill Perkley in effort to do so They stop selling but they didn't stop selling guns. They just stopped Advertising very violent video games. Okay. That was the other thing that Trump blamed it on, you know violent video games Well, it's no there's no merit to that argument right and there's no study that links them to that at all I mean it really is telling what on some of his quotations and yes He's you know, he deflected off his responsibility in his words through the last three years of demonizing, you know immigrants legal asylum applicants Demonizing them and basically you're right. He took a left turn and said it's video games and mental illness 2018 June 2018 Democrats are the problem illegal immigrants Matter how bad they may be to pour into an infest our country Like MS-13 they can't win on their terrible policies So they view them as potential voters and that's how he's tried to frame the argument that the Democrats want illegal immigration Because they're gonna be potential voters an outrageous statement. It is ridiculous. I agree So so we have outrageous statements and you want to talk about the photo? Let's bring the photo up for a couple So this photo is gonna going around on social media and started out with apparently with a Ivanka social media and what you have is Melania's sorry. Sorry and the child Okay, it's an orphan of El Paso both her parents were shot dead And that was a story all in itself, but here's Trump smiling. She's smiling He's doing, you know the thumbs up This is the baby that was orphaned because the dad was shot first trying to Lock the shot at the mom and then the mom was shot and the baby broke its hand when it fell when the mom fell with it That he would do that This is the same day Okay, the same day when he went to El Paso that they did raids ice did raids and there were 600 ice agents that went out there and made more than 600 arrests and this is on the first day of school So all these kids that are at school have nowhere to go No one to pick them up with no any no warning at all to the school system No warning to CPS no warning for anyone. They just did it and they went to the the food processing plants and of course there's there's no Problems for the employers But all of the the people were I think that's an operative point right there. That's a really operative point It's been said by a few but it needs to be amplified and that is Okay, you want to round up all these illegal illegal immigrants whether asylum seekers or not Not one inclination of or or penalty for the employer that brings them on to the payroll Right now that was supposed to be, you know E verified and all these checks and balances to prevent the hiring of those who you know have not been documented What happened to that and how does the government just look the other way when it comes to those employers? Well, it struck me when I heard that it was like a day after or two days after the el paso shooting Right That's really terrible timing It is now you can say and then the u.s. Attorney for I don't know it wasn't Louisiana Mississippi, he said oh we planned this a long time ago. Yeah, but you know, you could have held up This is time of mourning National outrage, you know, you can do more against the mexicans and gee whiz. These are not criminals They're not drug dealers They're not terrorists they're working in a food processing plant for many years Yeah, they're trying to be productive Why go after them and why go after them now? um That is it's hard hard. It is hard to word hardly the word driving in this morning on national public radio There was an interview of an 11 year old Girl whose parents were taken away both of them. She is alone and she was in a state I tell you I saw that one girl cry and um, that was pretty tough to watch Yeah, it's pretty tough to watch We have a quotation from someone from homeland security. Excuse me from ice and we're a law enforcement agency not a social agency and again, it's this obtuse Conversation that's taking place a one-way conversation To the american public and trumps base is that this is okay This is okay. This is kind of what you want us to do And for that percentage is 35. I don't know what percentage is anymore. They're like, yeah, we're okay with that remember You mentioned about the children being separated and put in cages in your interview and I believe it was in Alabama And they said well, that's what the children deserve And that's what the parents deserve. They shouldn't have come here to be and so we have this this overwhelming attitude of just hardness and reporting on cruelty Well, I you know, there was an interview of the u.s. Attorney who was responsible for these arrests Mississippi this morning on npr that same piece And he repeated a number of times that He was just doing his job They were enforcing the law And these people were here against the law and it was their job to enforce the law I said gee that's law and order That's I guess he's arguing the rule of law but this administration doesn't care about the rule of law This administration breaks the law all the time. Look what's happening in congress They're breaking the law. They're breaking the duty to the public in so many ways But these poor people they're enforcing the law against these poor people So where's the rule of law when it talks about treating? Those that they've detained with humanity and improper care and in the facilities to be properly in order Where's the rule of law on that? Yeah Where's the rule of law on blowing off all these congressional subpoenas? Where's the rule of law on that we could go on? But let's go to china just for a minute and then try to put this together This is also a week of continuing fisticuffs And threats between trump and china and china in return and all of a sudden, you know, china depreciated its currency Which which is you know is an attack on trade with the us and the us And suggested it would continue to do that and china said or said it would Would stop buying agricultural products from the farmers in the us the farmers have been part of the base, you know This is going to have an effect and trump and you know in turn is making all these threats and he's He he blew he blew up the the intermediate You know range missile agreement. I'm sorry the nuclear agreement was russia and he's putting intermediate range missiles in korea, I think south korea so he's he's He's creating hostility. He's creating Sort of bellicose arrangements with all these places. It's getting way worse China is getting really ticked off at us And it's taking steps now So our foreign policy is really in the tank and Ambassadors are quitting left and right his intelligence community is quitting left and right It's the sole proprietorship problem that we talked about before how he's running the government all by himself was yes men all around him And and wrecking our country inside and wrecking our relationships Outside and the question I and I put to you is Does does it matter to the base? Which seems to like him all the more? No as popularity is increasing Yeah You said something last week about why does he do these things Against his own best interest particularly with the elections a year and a half away Particularly with the economy because you know an economy is like a slow moving tanker Um Why is he implementing more tariffs that could potentially throw the economy down in a recession when he needs the economy to be um boy And and and you know vibrant And the question is who knows why he does it? All I know is that china's has not really reacted the way they could Because what threw that market down in a tailspin 700 points was the threat of them devaluing the quant but they actually didn't quite do that they posted Their official posting and that's what made the market swing back the other way now All it takes is trying to just send a message on the next maturity of treasuries of which they own quite a bit of Of our debt, you know not as much as the sadis used to but they still own a lot of our debt All they have to do is let that roll in and mature and not reinvest it That'll send them a real message to the markets number two is if they do start to devalue the quant and number three is um They can now Pick other sectors other than agricultural products to say no, we're not buying from those sectors either We're going to close the markets off now if you're a farmer in the midwest I don't care how much subsidy you're getting from donald trump at some point you can go I want to be a farmer and I want my market back well when they were interviewed the farmers were interviewed Indiana comes to mind back last summer. They said we're really troubled about this tariff war because it hurts us But we're willing to give him some more time and the ones that were interviewed said we give them till the the end of the year Well, the end of the year came and went already now. We're in the next year. They're still with them They still somehow believe he's going to come through but but really the question is can Can this continue or are we going to find one day that they abandon ship? We're going to find one day that the republicans and congress abandon ship Is it turning against him? Is it coming after him? Is it becoming clear already that he's wearing no clothes? I'm hoping that that is the case Um, I know that for a minute there. I got this sort of glimpse of optimism Um, as I watched all this stuff happen over this weekend and everything that transpired I thought well, maybe it's going to finally catch up with him But you know, he's just going to lie. He's just going to cheat and he's just going to lie in the same way that his Propaganda video that he put out after he went to see the victims in el paso at the hospital He says that he shook their hands and you know, they everything went really great They actually refused to see him. They would not let him come in and visit them in their rooms So it's just flat out. Why you know he's going to lie the important part of that What you just mentioned was that he Chastised his staff for not getting more cameras in there Okay, so you have victims in the hospital who have been shot up In number two is they don't really want to see the president And he's mad because he's not making more of a photo op at it. And the staff said This is this is way out of the norm to make a photo op of visiting people who have been shot up and their family members killed And and he's upset He's upset I think he used that as an excuse because he didn't want to admit that they won't see him They can just he just blame it on the fact that oh, we didn't really have enough cameras It's that way he didn't have to actually say they refused to see me Which I think is kind of an important thing makes him do these We know do we have a hand power Power That's all it is. It's all about power and control. He's a control freak. We already know he's a classic narcissist These kind of people that's all they care about They can't ever admit that there's something wrong with them We have to always have someone to blame All of those things and they lie and they lie what they'll do whatever they need to do to keep their face To the public that they want to present Yeah, well the bigger question or even you we'd long was found out back back in the day in the 30s I guess or the 40s in Louisiana People realized that he was a demagogue and so he lost his support. I think somebody killed him He was shot so When are people going to realize that you know, trump is Wearing no clothes that that he's wrong all the time. He makes these horrible mistakes He keeps on doing it again and again and doubles down And he is driven by hatred He's driven by the worst and greed The worst president we've seen probably in the history of the country When are people really going to pick up on that and will it be in time? no I think He has his set percentage of his base again. I'll go to 35 40 percent. I don't know what that number is That will follow him no matter where he goes And know how low he goes and how depraved he acts They'll follow him and say you're our guy and I don't have hope for that 35 40 percent. I just don't I I did at one point But I don't any longer and I I can't I can't allow myself To give them credit that they'll change and see the light to see the emperor without his You know the emperor with no clothes on this isn't it syndrome I think some of the republicans might come around but I think his main core base Is is ignited by all this hate And all of this pro-white You know rhetoric that's coming out of the white house. They're glad They don't have to hide those feelings that they have anymore. They can actually own them Right, so where are we on impeachment? Nancy's I guess she doesn't want to do it But 118 last time I looked maybe more now It should be more now it is more Of the of the house is in favor of impeachment It won't happen in the senate, but the house is getting closer Where are we is is this coming to a tipping point somewhere? So Or is it just going to sort of he does a race going on the race of people who in the house and the senate for that matter Who don't who think you should be impeached But then the other race is that what he does becomes the new normal And so it's it doesn't look impeachable because he's been doing it so much And you lose track of where he is on that continuum and shame on the democrats We're using political calculus versus standing up for their principles as democrats and they're oath the office Shame on them too. It's not just republicans in the senate in the house Democrats are more concerned about Again political calculations And what it takes to win the next election than to stand up for themselves and protect the constitution and protect this country You know, um, there was an interview just yesterday with um With chairman nadler and he says this is formal impeachment proceedings that are already underway And that's a quote from him It's way more than half that are for impeachment now And Nancy Pelosi is not throwing cold water anymore on all of it and when they asked him About her he said she's on board and has her signature on all these proceedings. So now they have what three new court filings that include the language of We are doing this for impeachment proceedings Um, and they are working together to protect the constitution Something that only congress can do is what he was saying Um, and then he said, you know, they're not limited to just the obstruction charges that are in the second half of the muller report But there's um against the emoluments clauses. There's abuse of power There's withholding all of the things that he's withholding For all of the documents and stuff. That's another thing that could actually be charged That there are many core impeachable grounds and that they're hoping That they will be able to do it before the first of the year where they'll be able to actually get a vote on impeachment And send it to the senate and hopefully by then they've had enough Of the um, you know, the witnesses that can come in And so once the case is made a little bit better, maybe we'll get some more of those people depends on the courts, doesn't it? Right depends on the courts May or may not act in time or may not act in their favor Running out of time, you run out of time You said something that really struck, you know emotional cord with me That is get your signature on the papers the documents fine Get on the podium and say to the american people that I support this So, you know, this is behind the scenes support and it's it's epic at best Get on the podium and make it make it so Speaking of podium Of course, there's the campaign And the campaign is still uh, it's still a lot of democrats shooting at other democrats. I really hate to see that How are we doing on that? Do you think the public is coming together? Over the um, you know the campaign a democratic campaign You think there's um a kind of leadership going on there or is it merely a statement of fragmentation? I think they've sort of come together a little bit more. They've got someone to attack instead of each other They can go after trump. At least that's what I've been hearing in the different interviews and all that are going on for me You've had a wellspring of things to attack trump on and you didn't need the last weekend. What's to do it? That's true. Um, that's true. You know, I'm sorry, but if this If it takes on a pass or a date in Ohio to for them to start directing their eye or towards Another object than other than themselves. That's a pretty sad statement. That's pretty pathetic Um, I think you're gonna have infighting and that's just politics But not to the point where you are clawing someone down that can actually be the candidate that can beat donald trump So they've got to stop that You know one of the things that seems to be holding up impeachment in the house anyway Is that they um, they have um, the report of Mueller on obstruction and conspiracy illusion, you will And that's not that second hand. It's like you're saying it's a report of other evidence And they've taken the view that they need the other evidence. That's why they have issued You know all these subpoenas because they want the direct evidence not the report of Mueller To act on impeachment or whatever action they're going to take but in fact He hasn't cooperated. He has been You know obstructing Throughout and I mean imagine giving instructions to all his staff. Don't talk to the the house of representatives Don't go down there blow off the subpoenas Um And and you could make a pretty good case that there's obstruction in that alone Of course, right. Right. Forget about the report. Forget about what the report looked at or found He's obstructing their efforts to find out So it seems to me, you know that they could do An impeachment right now on the basis of that alone I think you use the report you use the report that alone is a standalone document, right? I agree. Sorry, but It's there even Robert Mueller said it's there. It's there on these 448 pages Um, right, you don't have to have uh, you know impeachment is a is a moral political process Not illegal. Not illegal. You know, it doesn't matter about the Burner proof and admissible evidence and all that. I don't think that plays And you know, but let me give you a scenario going forward And we've talked about this all three of us so Dayton El Paso Not the end of it The white supremacist movement is there Congress has done nothing to stop it. Really Congress has done nothing to stop really. I mean The bump stock thing is it is surregenerous. It's it's not really the big deal It has done nothing to stop the huge number of guns in this country So many ways that could have happened, but they didn't do anything And trump is out there fanning the flames We have no action by congress on either, you know, the white supremacist and hate movements And you have uh or on gun control and trump is out there fanning the flames And I have to add that social media has really not been stopped It's still doing it The russians must be laughing up their sleeve about this the ultimate divisiveness and and who knows how much involvement they have in this hatred business Okay, so it's going to continue Okay, there will be more el passos and more datans. Oh, yeah Where does that play in accelerating advancing, you know, the movement or impeachment? Well, I think the more things that are are happening that are completely Um connected to his hate speech It's going to increase people coming behind the whole impeachment process And I can only hope that all of the town hall meetings that You know our congress is having now that they're back home in their districts It is going to be just an outpouring of people saying hey We want impeachment and we want it now And I think that was one of the things they're sort of waiting for that public groundswell that Hasn't really happened because we've all been so desensitized to all of this hate for so long Right that it's just going to keep going and going and going Well, Donald Trump says in my quote, I've toned it down I've toned it down quite a bit Meaning his rhetoric and that was that was his his way of trying to explain that I'm not The speaker of hate because I've toned it down by saying I've toned it down means he acknowledges that he's done it Right. Absolutely. Yeah, I don't think about that. So remember Donald Trump. Remember what he does He runs up to the line He gets in trouble. He runs back Then he waits a while he runs back up the line again He sees how further much over the line he can crawl and I say crawl with emphasis And the process creates a new normal Which makes it hard for congress to do anything The other element and I want to ask you guys about this my last point of inquiry is that So we have we have violence going on around Iran We have this very strange peculiar bizarre Beautiful letters but also intermediate intermediate missiles coming from North Korea We have a very strange and threatening relationship with with russia who not only is Offending our relations You know rather our elections And you got to see that movie The the great hack. I was just going to mention it about how they do that How they did it and are doing it now And the tearing up of the nuclear treaty with them We're talking about so many places in the world Oh, China, you know, which is getting more angry at us the people on the street getting more angry And the steps that the government is taking against us more draconian And this the heat is going up in all of these places Any one of them they're all tinderboxes any one of them could erupt in fantastic Um battles and wars and attacks Okay, how does that play in the possibility of impeachment? You know because because trump will say you need me It's a national emergency Um, you know, you you you don't want to lose your sitting president Uh during time of war or you know military action How does that affect the possibility of impeachment? The argument is you created this mess your leadership Is the problem and therefore it's your leadership that is in question When we take this impeachment vote whether we're successful or not isn't the point The point is we're going to stand up for a principle Preserved rule of law and the constitution period In hopes in our fondest hopes. I think that's the case But you know about that great hack which is a really really amazingly enlightening So that I think everybody should watch because it really talks to how the algorithms are being used by some of these Social media companies they can tell not just where you are and what you like the shop for But whether you're a democrat or republican whether you are a hardcore republican whether there's room for you to be You know changed on your attitude and what they need to send you to try to gently Nudge you in that direction. So you've got all these kids that maybe are desensitized To violence because of the video games, which is in there, right? There's no Solid studies yet, but it's in there and then you take these kids that are on social media Basically 24 seven and you start to feed them little things You know, they you know kind of go and they veer towards that white supremacy anyway She's start feeding them things and you just feed that one person Through their social media what you want them to know and you can just you can ignite anything you want In that one person and if you want to make them dysfunctional non-functional as a country You want to have them fall down? That's right divide them. That's what's happening to us That's right and it's not that difficult to do and that's what algorithms that are So, you know behind everything that's in our social media. You gotta watch the movie. Okay, we're out of time tim Closing for you. What do you think is going to happen next week? What are you worried about? What are you looking for? What i'm worried about is a statement you made that i hope The god that never comes to pass is more el passos More Dayton, Ohio's just because we have a president that knows nothing more than to Fan the flames of racial hatred and what i think in the next week we're going to see is him being a little bit more contrite and Play act that he's interested in gun control. He's owned by the nra and that's the fact He may not be able to control what he has started as a wildfire burning in this country The country is burning and what what strikes me is, you know, you worry about the courts which he has packed I'm still doing it with conservatives The wildfire may be visible to them They may decide they have to act in order to save the country. I hope they have the baseline patriotism to actually see this It would be nice. Thank you tim. Thank you very much. Thanks. See you next week. Aloha. Aloha