 Putting all that same and you know it becomes such a, with the registration process, there is nothing. The whole is more comfortable. Correct? Correct. Harishi, can you hear me? Yes, sir. Speaking from Raipur Chatti's gut. Yes, sir. Okay. You've done mechanical engineering? Yes, sir. Have you done any jobs so far? No, sir. After graduation in 2017, I've been pursuing civil service. Let me ask you, you know, a number of, this is what we were discussing in fact, that is, a lot of people keep appearing, reappearing in civil service days. After five years, six years, they, you know, many of them are at a dead end. There is nothing in front of them. So do you think this entire system needs to be changed? Because, you know, theoretically, or logically, let us say, if you look at it, you know, let us say 5,000,000 people appear. Finally, in the final list, only about 500, 600 persons are going to get selected. The rest of them are going to get rejected. So even if the best geniuses of the world come and appear, there is a limit put to it by the number 600. Beyond that, they cannot be selected. So which means whatever may be their hard work, whatever may be their level of intelligence, lakhs of people are going to miss it. Then they appear year after year after year. And that is the time when the prime of the youth goes, they're not able to get jobs. So do you think there is a need to rethink this system? Sir, in my opinion, it is more about the purpose for which we start to pursue civil service. And if we have clarity, and for some reason, there's a lack of guidance. So it might take more than one attempt. For me, it takes multiple attempts. But if the motivation is clear and it is pure. Sir, I think we could pursue it, provided that there is a financial and psychological support present with us. If these two supports unfortunately are not there, then sir, I believe after two attempts, one should start to think of backup. I was fortunate enough that I had support of my family. So that's why I single-handedly pursue this. Okay, now you have shifted my question. My question was from one angle, from one perspective, you have taken it from another perspective. What is the change in perspective that you have brought about? You know, the question I put to you was different. The answer you have given is different. What is the difference between my question and your answer? Tell me. Sir, the question was regarding whether the system should be changed. And I answered that one should pursue the reason why one should keep pursuing it after multiple attempts. So regarding the question of the change in the system, I believe that the areas regarding increasing vacancies or how the area where I think only when vacancies are increased and more people are recruited in the civil services, then the selection rate will increase. But sir, even then, lakhs of people would still not be selected even after increasing the vacancies. So sir, I believe that just changing the system, apart from that, the mindset and the attitude regarding this exam of the students who give the exam should be taken care of as the government has already opted for options where students who have created an interview, they could put their marks in the public domain and subsequently employment could be given to them as in when required. So this is what I think, sir. I couldn't hear the last part of it. But what you are saying is that if they don't get selected, some other opportunities should be given to them. Is that what you're saying? Yes, sir. Okay, that's a good suggestion. You see, now you have now answered my question correctly. I was asking it from the point of view, from the macro point of view of the society. You took it from the micro point of view of the individual. Okay. Yes, sir. So that's something that you need to think about. Why is it that you took it like that? Because basically you are shifting the question, you know, which is not good in an interview. In an interview, you should listen carefully. You should try to take the perspective of the person who is speaking. When I asked you, is there some need to change the system? You started telling me that if the person is hardworking, you'll be able to get selected. All right? Yes, sir. So this is a lesson for you to keep in mind. Now you can think about this. And in case this type of question is asked, you can give some nice answer. You know, when you say that the number of vacancies can be increased, that is not again a good answer to give. See, you cannot have, instead of having, let's say, 5000 collectors, you cannot have 150,000 collectors just to accommodate more people. Isn't it? Yes, sir. So that's like saying, let us create more number of collectors, more number of SPs, more number of IGs, DGPs, why when the system doesn't need it? Why should you do that? So there could be other solutions. The other solutions could be, for example, to have the preliminaries very tough, maybe, or to do something else or reduce the number of chances, reduce the age limit, give a gap, give a space of only, let's say, three years maximum. So from, let's say, from a minimum age of 20 years to a maximum age of 26 years, you can have two or three chances, maybe even two chances. One chance to know what the exam is like, another chance to try it, then get out and try for something else. That's one option. The other option is, you fill up other vacancies with this exam. There are lakhs of vacancies, but then that will create another type of problem. What will be the problem that will arise if you, instead of selecting only IES, IPS officers, et cetera, you fill up vacancies of different levels with this exam, then what will be the negative result of that? Sir, I'll have to think on it, sir. I have not thought on it, sir. The negative result will be, you know, let us say that a person who got 2% marks extra, 2% higher in the list will be an IES officer, a person with, let's say, five marks less will be in the IPS, a person with 10 marks less will be an inspector, a person with 15 marks less will be a sub-inspector, a person with 35 marks less will be a constable. So the same exam is done giving opportunities at such disparate levels can create a lot of tension, okay? Because the person who got 35 marks less may actually be more intelligent and that gap might have been for some other reason. Maybe at that time the examiner did not like his answer or his essay was not properly evaluated. So these type of problems just give a thought to all this, okay? Yes, sir. All right. I'll say it. Yes, sir. Rai-Pur and Chattisgarh. Chattisgarh State was carved out of Madhya Pradesh. How old is the Chattisgarh now? Sir, it is currently in this year, November, it will be 22 years. Do you find the difference in during this period when it was under the combined state of Madhya Pradesh and as an independent state of Chattisgarh? Any change, any development due to the formation of the new state? Sir, first is regarding the agricultural production. Chattisgarh's production and its procurement regarding rice and paddy has increased sufficiently vis-a-vis before the bifurcation. Second regarding the mining production wherein now Chattisgarh has emerged as the leader when it comes to coal mining where it currently stands at the first position this year or whether it is iron ore mining or whether it is tin mining for which it is the sole producer of the entire country. Sir, third is regarding various tribal reforms of the tribal initiative that the government has taken that has led to providing insurance coverage to the Tendupattha collectors that has led to more and more tribal rights being issued to the tribe. Sir, apart from that regarding health sector of health and sanitation Chattisgarh has emerged very innovative wherein concepts like garbage cafes has been set up. Yes, there is a substantial improvement, substantial development during this period. Is it? Yes, sir. Once we hear about Chattisgarh, immediately it becomes to anybody's mind that Maoist activities. Have you encountered any Maoist group? Sir, my father is in the State Forest Service and he has had multiple encounters with the Maoists in his buster tenure when he has worked. So what was the result of the encounter and what was their demand? The result of the one which was the most significant one wherein at midnight the Maoists approached in hundreds, around 200 in a tractor trolley and they burnt all the government vehicles and the government records. And they specifically targeted the officials that supposedly had been exploiting the tribals regarding wage payment etc. And my father was let go because he had a positive image. And basically their demand was to destroy the government records and government per paraphernalia so that the government initiatives in the schemes are not implemented, data collection gets hampered. And there is a sense of fear among the officials when they start to work on the ground regarding government fees. So this was their basic demands of that time. The writer Arundhudi Rai, she has written about her journey there in the Chattisgarh Maoist areas. Is there any development activities to take over by the Maoists today? Have they done some land reforms or some irrigation facilities created in those areas? Sir, as far as I am aware, the Maoists have started to create a liberated zone, for example, Abhujmaad area that is in Narayanpur district. Around 4000 km area, they have declared as liberated zone wherein no police official or the government official is present. And they have started their schools. They try to teach Maoist ideology. They have the farmers in collective cultivation or zoom cultivation etc. In that way, they have started to integrate the tribals with themselves. But sir, I would not call it development as such because that is an attempt to isolate them from the government so that the tribals don't realize what is the true development. And as I think, sir, the people in the Busterire are voiceless. They don't know what is right, what is wrong. The lack of education is there. And their encounters with the government have not been that good. So that's why there is a trust deficit which these Maoists have capitalized. So I would not call it development, sir, for sure. But do you see the difference between the liberated areas and the other regions there? Sukma, for example, it is the hard bit of the Maoist activities. So do you see any difference between the liberated areas and other areas? Yes, sir. In the other areas like Bijapur where my father is also working and Sukma, Vizabh is the abhujma which is liberated zone. In liberated zone, there is a lack of access to civilians. Only CRKF personnel occasionally go there for patrolling. That is also very challenging because of the rough terrain and forested area, dense forested areas and hills. And other areas we have, although they are not still affected, but still there is significant presence of roads, mobile towers, because of the CRPF camps that have been set up. And their government officials for its department, full esthanas have been set up. So these areas are seeing development slowly and people are getting liberated from this Maoist influence. Whereas in liberated zone, this is taking some time to offer. So during the last few years, the Maoist menace has been controlled and I think the number of activities has it come down? Yes, sir. As far as the records of our state is concerned, in the past two years there have been 40% reduction in Maoist activities. And yearly, if more than 800 Maoists are surrendering, 50% are surrendering in Satisgarh. So there are significant reduced reduction in instances and there is more and more development being seen in the Maoist affected areas. Especially if we talk about Sukma, Bijapur, these are also aspirational districts. So various data shows from the central government that the institutional deliveries have increased. The rural tap water connection has increased by 24% yearly. So they are seeing development. And sir, I believe it's a matter of time that Maoist free in Satisgarh will also be created. Have you visited this Indraavadi Tiger Reserve since your father was the CCF at that time? Yes, sir. I have visited sir, but because it's a Naxal hotbed, so civilians are not allowed to get into the Tiger Reserve area. Only Polish officials go there for their works, development works and wildlife sciences. So mention the motivational quotes as one of your hobbies. Can you give us some motivational quotes which you consider as the best? Sir, actually I've updated my hobbies in the DAF too. But anyways, if you ask, I'll try to answer. You're not mentioning the second DAF, this particular? No sir, I've updated them. Okay, you mentioned the diary writing. What do you write in the diary? Sir, my purpose of diary writing is to keep track of my work on daily basis. Second is to consolidate my thoughts regarding events that occur around me and to form an opinion. Third is, in a way, talking to myself so that I get motivated if there is something good things are happening with me. I try to learn from them and get motivated that every day is a new day. So in that way, it provides me clarity regarding everyday life. Okay, thank you. Harshit? Yes, sir. You mentioned about diary writing, some of your hobbies. Yes, sir. What's your name? Amayas and autobiography. Sir, I'll have to read up on it, sir. I'm not aware. Will you continue your diary writing if you are selected for forest service? Yes, sir. I'll continue it. Sir, I'm not aware of any troubles. Sir, ready to take that risk? Sir, I'll have to know more, sir, regarding trouble or whether I'm not allowed to write diary for reasons thereof. Harshit, what is your view on the role of artificial intelligence in forest management? Sir, in my view, artificial intelligence has potential when it comes to detecting forest fires using satellite images, comprehending them so that the reach of the fires could be anticipated so that the various teams could be inducted. Apart from that, artificial intelligence could also be helpful in terms of mapping of the forest area and ensuring that the wildlife and their movement is anticipated and their proper management work is done. It also will help us to ensure that if any development work is to take place, for example dams or mines, the kind of selection that could be done so that the least damage to forests occur and the least inconvenience to the tribes occur. Sir, I think it has some potential, but I think more research should go into regarding its areas of application in forest service. What are the movies along with the economics? Could you elaborate that? Sir, watching movies along with the economics means looking into the finances that go beyond making a movie right from pre-production to production to post-production stage till the time movie is sold to the distributors and the exhibitors where we watch the movie and the revenues are generated and distributed. So in that area, I have an interest, sir. How do you know the true picture of the economy of a movie? Sir, there are basically two sources. One is the data that is released by the production companies themselves. Second is by the trade analysts who have been working in the industry for past decades. So I look upon both data and try to come to a conclusion. See, this is one sector where lots of sheets of black money is involved. This is everyone's knowledge. It's an open truth, a knackered truth. So how will you bring us a time the true economics of a movie? Sir, as black money is an unaccounted money and no one is really sure how much of it is involved in which sector. As the government has itself said in one of the parliamentary debates, it could be around 7% to 120% of the GDP. So it could be involved in anywhere. So for the time being, we have to go by the official data released by the industry and the market to get a conclusion, sir. What are you interested in that angle? Does it alter your view of the film? Which is basically a work of the north? Sir, I have a bit of interest regarding how the movies are made and how the finances are made because, yes sir, it is a work of art and how much the movie is made does not impact whether it is our favourite movie or not. Whether it is declared box office hit or flop. But it gives us a broad idea regarding what kind of movies our audiences watch, whether even if it gets good reviews from the critics, whether it is watched or not. And even if it gets bad reviews by the critics, it is watched by a lot of movies. So it gets us to know about the understanding of the market, how the people think, what kind of people movies they watch, and how the impact they could create in the society. So I get that understanding from looking at those. What is the difference between a documentary and a movie? Sir, in a documentary the stories, the characters displayed are the real characters and the cinematic liberty is not taken. Whereas in the movies there is a disclaimer shown where there is a sense of cinematic liberty is taken although it could be based on a biography of a person. But there is a sense of changing the script so that a better entertaining movie is made. In that way, sir, both are different, sir. In your view, the film Kashmir Files, is it a documentary or a movie? Sir, it is a movie, sir. Thank you. Yes, sir. Use is a state from a forest point of view. Tell me some of the forest types of Chhattisgarh. Forest types. Sir, Chhattisgarh in my knowledge has majorly two types of forests. That is tropical moist deciduous forests and tropical dry deciduous forests. Major portions are covered by mixed forests of both. And then 40% salt forests are found, followed by tea forests. Salt forests are told. Have you heard of salt line? Sir, I can. No, sir, I have not heard, sir. In your state, there is no salt. That is salt line. Down south, in the southern state, Surya Rupasta. Surya Rupasta is found only in north and central India. It is not found below in the south Indian states. That is why that is what, holocauly they call it salt line. Yes. What is the economic use of salt now? Earlier it was very popular, a lot of railways slippers were made. But now railways slippers were not required. What for salt is being utilized in your state? Salt is being used by tribes for salt twigs are used as toothbrush. Then salt seeds are used to generate oil that the tribes use. Part of minor forest produce. Apart from that sir, tribes also use salt for various medicinal uses. Where they mix it with other herbs and create medicines for fever and headache. Sir, these are the uses that are coming to our mind currently. You observed the two famous two important species of your state. One is deep, another is salt. Both are there. It is there, salt is there. What is the problem of regeneration in two species? Regeneration pattern, have you heard about it or observed it or read it in your forestry? Yes sir. Regarding the salt regeneration, the viability of salt seeds are very low. That is up to 24 hours they have to sprout or else the chances that the seed will not go into a tree. More forest nurseries are made around the salt forest so that the seeds could be collected and planted. Later on they are transplanted so that their regeneration is ensured of salt seeds. Regarding deep seeds, they have longer viability. Regarding specific regeneration, they have frequent good seed years deep forest. So, more natural regeneration of teak is observed. Sir, this is my knowledge currently. Which is better copies of teak or salt copies sir? Which gives better copies? Sir, I am not aware about which one is better sir. From the government of India that the forest right act has been implemented very well in Shethishgarh state. In fact, it is reported as the number one implementation of this act. After implementation of this act, do you think that the unrest in the natural area has come down? Sir, it is definitely a very strong reason wherein as the original demand was land reforms of the tribals. So now they are getting the land rights and Shethishgarh has already provided the more than 3.5 lakh land titles. Individual as well as community both. And apart from that, it has also been the first state to provide urban land rights to the tribals who want to settle in urban areas. So in that way sir, the grievances are reducing slowly. Sir, but this is just a welcome step. But I believe sir, more is to be done. Where in proper offensive works and operations against the nukes that we conducted where the leaders should be taken down. And the development in the liberated zone as well as I pointed out is taken place. When the roads and mobile towers and schools and hospitals are made. Only then sir, their influence would completely go sir in my opinion. There is something about the biodiversity in your state. Plants, animals, birds. Are you aware of? Sir, some prominent animals present in Shethishgarh. They include the wild buffalo which is endangered IOC in status. It is also the state animal. We also have sloth bear. It is followed by tiger is also there panthera tigris. As we are talking of fauna. I have mentioned about saal and teak forests. Apart from that, Pothia, Monus, Parma, Adati, Ratah, Indika, Babool. These are very common species found. Apart from that sir, various herbs are also found in Shethishgarh. Wherein it is known as the herbal state. For example, aloe vera, haldi, kali haldi, bahan haldi, jhar haldi. Various kinds of haldi are found in the northern part. And it is basically emerging as the herbal economy. Wherein it contributes to around 59% of by volume of the total herbal products. From the India. That way it has a lot of potency. Sir, in my knowledge, its timber is used in construction works. Apart from that, its products like branches, twigs. It is used for making toothbrush. It is also sometimes used in the leaner wood is used for fuel wood also by the tribes. And its flower is called the fire of the forest. Wherein it indicates the flowering seasons of the forest. Sir, this is my knowledge sir, currently about it. Most important thing that you omitted, you did not mention. The plates are made of the leaf. And that is the only part of this economic use of only making of the plate. It is a very intensive activity in your area. In your state, tons of plates made of this paper, this thing, it comes down south also. And many people are trying to replace with paper plates. Instead of paper plate or plastic plate, these plates are very useful. And very friendly also. Yes sir, thank you very much. You are done well. I wish you all the best. Yes sir. From my side. Pressure to your current address is all the best. Karthik, one thing is there. Your presentations, answers are very effective, very good. But since you are a son of a forest officer. Yes sir. There are many more, there are many more personal observations expected in the interview. Like, it seems that you have been a very darling boy of the family. That is why you have not seen the forest from outside. You have seen forest in the rest houses. If you have seen the forest from outside, nobody living in your area will ignore the utility of beauty of the forest for now. This is one species which defines the whole state. If you go by train, the entire inflame of forest, the entire state will be seen in beauty of the forest for now. And hundreds and thousands of families depend on that. So this was just one observation I had. Regarding the forest right act and all, you can brush up as to what is latest. Because the state has been actually being appreciated by government of India as the best implementer. But what are the ramifications? What is the result of it? You can interact with some of the forest officers. You can interact with your father and find out what actually happened for those areas. Is it really working? It was expected that implementation of forest right act will be able to, I mean, take care of many of the grievances of the forest dwellers and tribal. And if still there is unrest, then the whole activity becomes null and void. So I will request you to update yourself on this. Thank you, sir. I agree with the comments for this. Only thing I want to ask you is your mobile number here, you know 807-639-4823. It doesn't seem to be connected with WhatsApp. So is it connected through WhatsApp? No sir, WhatsApp number is different. Different. Can you give me that number? Yes sir, 9753. 9753. 7783. 7783. 75. 75, okay. I'll send you, I'll add you to my group, okay? Yes sir. Then we'll keep discussing for the next few days. When is your interview? Sir, on 16 June. 16, okay. So for this one week we'll discuss regularly and try to improve. Otherwise you are doing well. Nothing much to work on, but still we'll try to improve further, okay? Yes. Okay, all the best. Thank you, thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you.