 So Owen we are sitting in your brand new studio which you've completely built from scratch and you were going to use to make your new record So just tell us about what is your journey been up until now? Up until this point? It's been very long You know I've been kind of playing the right song since I was nine so It's been kind of a very long journey to kind of to the like the fact that I have even my own studio is pretty crazy, but At the same time it's really gratifying to be able to work for myself and be able to do my own thing Yeah, and it's it's the type of industry where you kind of need to put yourself out there You kind of need to make your own music and just that's it's not the reason you're you're making a new Album now with the stuff that you're having the studio is that kind of why you want to do that to push forward and to kind of Get yourself Yeah, like and it's kind of more sort of thing of like I can be like fully autonomous. I don't have to like Pay to go to the studio. I don't have to get I can produce all my own stuff I don't have to get a producer. I don't get an engineer Anyone who I bring in on the project will be like, you know Asked by me to come in and do it and it's just that I have full control over everything that I want to do and The way technology is going the way the music industry is going the fact that I can do it in my own house It's pretty incredible. So it's kind of a Self-motivated sort of project in that sense to try and be able to make and release my own music And what are some of the kind of struggles up until now as a young musician trying to break into the industry? What what are some of the struggles you've you found along the way? Well, definitely like, you know the Amount of time that you have to put in for such a little reward and if you even is a reward, you know That's saying like I always kind of say this like if you compare it to like real work as such As people would say like, you know, at least you know if you go in you do 10 hours You're getting paid for those 10 hours. Whereas I go put in 10,000 hours And I might not get paid for a single one, but that's okay Because it's all working towards the end goal and the end goal is just being able to do this completely 100% full-time. Yeah, and boy What keeps you going when when people kind of put it down and say is not a real job is is being a singer-songwriter a Real career will you ever get there? I'm sure you get that a lot that people kind of don't have that much Yeah work for it, but what keeps you going? Well, it's just the love of it really more than anything else Like, you know, what else am I gonna do? That's that's my idea of course There's other things I could do, you know, but I don't love those things as much I love making music and getting on stage and playing and making my own records like I am here So, you know to be able to do that kind of stuff. I Just can't see myself doing anything else. That's kind of what keeps me going is this is it This is what I want to do. So and you know, we're living in such a digital age It's an industry that's ever-changing But I know speaking to artists who are studying fine art and studying other forms of art Have found that a lot a lot of the time these days you need to be they've been They've been told you need to be an artist second and a business person first Would you agree with that? Would you feel like the same in terms of music production in one sense? Yes, and in one sense no like, you know, you should never lose the Love of it and the passion for it and the side of it Like don't let the business side of things spoil that but by all means like if you can Make money and make enough money to live doing this do what you love to do Then I I think you know absolutely go ahead and do it like if it means that You know, you're hustling and you're selling your own t-shirts and you're selling your CDs at the end of the gig Like if that means that you're able to do it again and again and again Absolutely do it like work the business side of it because if you do it the right way, I'll work in your favor And what's the what's the goal now? What are you working towards at the moment? Well, what I'm working towards at the minute is just trying to get some music out there and trying to build a platform for myself and trying to you know entice people to come and listen to my music and come to my shows and Kind of make fans and just enjoy myself and then hopefully the idea is that if I manage to do it at high enough level and Really enjoy doing it and people enjoy listening then I'd be able to do it full-time as my career. So yeah, and in terms of branding I know that there is like you were saying before and You kind of have to go through different stages of What what who want my stage to be who will I be so I know you've just settled on just oh and now yeah And that's what it's gonna weird spelling though. We're sorry. Oh, hey, I am yeah Oh, hey, I guess I think sometimes you gotta go back to basics and go back to your roots and just say I think I find it People were calling me my first name And so going forward what would the dream job be Your own music you're doing singers. You're doing songwriting would you would you want to ideally be and Writing songs for other people or for yourself as your own as a performer yourself Yeah, I think I'll always be writing for myself as a performer Just in general just always doing that But I'd love to just be able to full-time write for other people and because you can kind of take yourself out of your own headspace and Kind of just have a fully clean slate and just go mad and I've done it a little bit before But I'd love to do that full-time because that's a really great experience and it's great to work with other people Like, you know, it's not fun on your own So you're great to work with other people and have you played any Recently Nothing really recently, um, I mean I've played weekends a couple times I've you know played a lot of venues in town and I've played locally and stuff, but um The dream would be I'd love to play like a couple of festivals next year. That's the idea I love working towards that. Yeah, that's kind of my goal for next year I'd love to play like electric picnic and maybe food and fruit longitude See sessions anything I can get my hands on so yeah That's the dream working. Yeah. Okay. Well, thanks so much for sitting down. Thanks very much Rachel