 Greetings and salutations. My name is Retsun Noor. That's an alias because I'm part of the aeroboros inner circle. And I'm going to have to explain what that is because most people probably have not heard that word before. The aeroboros is an ancient symbol. It's the snake that's eating its tail. It's usually like a circle. So I just wanted to mention that. So what I'm going to talk today about the alternative society here and this alternative society that I'm going to focus on is the homeless society. Now there are homeless people all over the place here and we do have a number of people in the Amherst area here. They live behind a big Y supermarket. There's like a tent city there of homeless people in the woods there. You see them walking back and forth all the time. Now the problems is the cost of trying to get a place, especially in a college town like Amherst here. So I am kind of having a discussion with this homeless person. He may give you some information about stuff that he's been trying to take care of for himself. The homeless people are all over the place here in this area here. So I'm going to have him discuss the situation. I'm going to ask him some questions about it. Hello again. This is Retzin Newell. I have my special guest here. I'm going to have you state your name. I'm Newell Fabersini. Okay and we're discussing a situation that you're concerned about or you want to be talking about because of a situation that you're experiencing. Sure. About being homeless I was evicted and what happened was I was first I was given a letter saying that I would not be, my lease would not be renewed but it was renewed. Not only was I recertified, I got a new lease two years in a row after that and then they kicked me out. They really had no reason to kick me out. The reason they did was because I tried to make some changes to help the people that lived there. They don't want to, what they wanted to do is get rid of the people that try to help those people so that they can keep doing the same thing over and over. That's what that's what it's about. That's why I got rid of them. That's the real reason. Okay well these people hired to do a certain job and they probably felt that that was in their job. I forgot what you call it. Well you know they probably thought that they were to save money or you know they usually, these are the things they think about. Money they don't really, they don't think about people at all. No. Just you know even these places where they have, where they have these you know places shelters and also places to eat, they don't do that for us. They do that for them. That way they can say, well he's being taken care of. Don't worry about him. That's the way they are. Okay well I've heard information on National Public Radio. They've talked about this on radio as well as television. And the radio had a series about it. I just happened to hear one, I think it was five programs about the homeless and they gave examples. Now the example that I heard on the radio was about New Orleans that they had difficulties with the homeless in New Orleans and they did an aggressive thing to deal with the homeless. They didn't just let the whole thing just drop. They aggressively tried to get help for people. They gave an example of some lady that was homeless for 10 years and they showed her a picture of the place that they got for her and she said, oh it looks pretty interesting and so she got a place to stay. But that's New Orleans now. They have the same problem in California. They got the problem everywhere. They got 10 cities everywhere. It's a big problem and they made the problem and they really need to think about people having a home as a human right. That's the way they should think about it. It was just on a radio for a whole hour Sunday morning from about 6 to 7 in the morning, Sunday morning. That's what's today. Today's the 16th or 17th. Yeah, this last Sunday. Yeah, a whole hour they talked about how terrible the corruption is. The reason I got involved in trying to change things and everything is because just before President Obama left office, he got on television and he said that there's a lot of corruption and because of that there's a very negative effect on society and I wanted to help him. I wrote him a letter telling him I wanted to help him. He wrote me back. I wrote to John Lewis who's a senator who was marched with Martin Luther King and that's when Obama wrote me back. It really needs to stop. I've sent letters to everybody. I've done and certified letters. I've had problems with all of the government programs. There's a lot of corruption. It's deep. It's very deep. I'm still having problems and that's the reason why I want this. I want to help change society for the better. I don't want to hurt anybody. It's not what it's about. It's about helping people and they really don't want to help people. All they care about is money or something like maybe a president or something. Okay. One of the situations that's a homeless cause is the high cost of living. Usually you have to have the first and last month's rent as well as a security deposit and most people don't have that kind of money to get a regular place. I always paid my rent. I always paid it and never did I not pay it. I never had no problem with that. No problem at all with that. As a matter of fact that was on the up and up. They got rid of me because I wanted to help the people that were living there. They said that they wanted to make room for the new people to come in to help but they weren't helping people that are there. They're not helping the people that are there. Now you are referring to Springfield, Massachusetts is that correct? Yeah, that's true. Because you said that you were living in Springfield, Massachusetts. You're right. I'm surprised that you like to be out in this Amherst area. You have to take the bus back and forth. You know I come back and forth a lot. You know that's not so much that there's a need. I have a storage bin where I keep my stuff so there's a need for me to do that. I think I had seen one of these so-called homeless people coming from the storage area in Amherst and I was thinking to myself I wonder if he was actually living in the storage unit. They'll kick you out of there. You know what happens is some people will stay in there and they kicked me out of there. I was staying in there and what happens is you turn the thing in and then lock it. You lock it from the outside. You lock it so that you can't close it. Right. So that you can't close it or else somebody could put a lock on it and you're in. That's it. Okay. And they drive by, they see it like that and they kick you out. You know they find out if you're in there and they kick you out. And I got kicked out of there for staying in there. But I don't stay in there no more. Since July I haven't been in there. But if you get out of there before they come to work, don't they usually come to work like seven or eight o'clock in the morning if you leave like at six o'clock in the morning? Well the thing with this is they can check it at night. Police do too. You know security reasons. Police check them. So you're saying that they have the security cameras. First they got people that tell on you, you know, too. You know, you gotta be, you gotta stay to yourself because everybody, that's why a lot of people they ask me where I live. I say I can't tell you because somebody will come over and say you can't stay here. That's the way they are. They don't only like to knock you down. They like to kick your wall. You're down. I'm just telling the truth. This is the truth. Okay. Well I'm kind of interested in this alternative society that I'm calling the homeless population. And I'm kind of thinking to myself, this actually might be a utopian society because you don't have to pay rent. You don't have to pay for heat. You're free as a bird. It's not free. It's not, it's not just they do this to try and weaken you, soften you up to get you to do whatever they want you to do. That's the reason they do it. And it happens all the time to a lot of people. The reason that they aren't able, there's two reasons that they aren't able to soften me up. And one of them is that I've been through this for before for three years, back in 2009 when we made a movie 2000, I think it was 2010, Alternative American was the name of it. And they just played it a couple of weeks ago on 57. But the whole thing that it is is this. You know, they, what were we talking about just now? What were we talking about just now? You're talking about that you were back in 2009. Oh, 2009. Three years I stayed homeless for three years. So I got an education, that's one of the things. And then now I go to the gym every day. So that's another thing that helps me. I actually am better at it today than I was done. They can't hurt me, but that's what they want to do. They want to hurt people. And that way they can do whatever they want with them. What they usually do is try to treat you like a little kid, to ask me if I'd like to go to an old folks home, you know, senior citizens home or something, you know, so that they can make decisions for me. They say, well, that's for your own good. But you know, it's for their own good is what it's for. That's the truth. They do it for their own benefits, not yours. Okay. Well, I'm guessing you're over the age of 65. Oh, sure. I'm 69 years old, but I'm in good shape. I go to the gym every day. I'm in good shape. Okay. Well, I'm a little more curious about this homeless situation that. I've been homeless since June. I've been all winter outside. Okay. So I'm kind of curious about this. I'm guessing that you might have a top that you have. And then you said you have a sleeping bag and a blanket, and you must have the top. If it's snowing or something, you have to get underneath something. Yeah. You can't have it raining on you, but there's so many places that you can go to. There's so many places you can go that has an overlapping roof, you know, so many. So it's kind of like a little secret place that you can go to. That's right. You go to a lot of different ones. They're probably around. They're everywhere. But now this group that's over in Amherst is a tent city behind the big Y supermarket. They got them everywhere. They got them in California. Big cities out there in California. The problem is big everywhere, and they made the problem. Well, I'm guessing California is one of the most expensive places to live. So that's not really unusual that they have a large homeless population. It's a cost of living in California. What is it like? It's warm out there. They go over there because of the weather. But when they find out that they can't afford to live there, I'm guessing they just go get a tent and go live out in a warm weather. Tent city is big out there, real big. Now, I heard that we had some severe storms, like in Colorado and stuff. And I met a homeless person when I was out and about. And I heard him say he came from Colorado. I see him walking around. My daughter lives down there in North Carolina, and they had three feet of snow. They never had that before. Then they just had Florence where there was flood waters there. And her trailer was completely drowned. It was hard to save. A lot of the pictures and stuff are gone, but it took time to straighten things out. Now, I bumped into a guy this morning on the bus, and he had a tent set up down by the river because he wanted to be alone, hiding in the woods down there by the river. And the river is risen and his tent is completely gone. Everything is there. And this is a problem that they like. They make this problem for you. They like the fact that you're having a tough time, and they hope that you come. And then they give you whatever little crumbs that fall off the table. And that's the way they want things for their benefit. I'm guessing that you're making an assumption that they like, and you used the word they. Society. They like it. And I'm not making an assumption. It's something that they enjoy doing. Okay. Now, this stuff that you were mentioning about your daughter, you do have a family? Yeah, I got a daughter and I got two grandchildren. Of course, I would never want to live down there. It's terrible down there. They got all dirt roads and run down, logs in the middle of the road, no grass. It's really terrible terrain where they live. You know, it's like way out in the boonies. And it is far away from everything. There's no place I would want to stay. So they begged me to come down. I'll come down, stay here. No way. Okay. Well, now you mentioned that your daughter does live in a trailer. Is that what you said? Yeah, she was in a trailer. And so if somebody called this, or contacted me, the Eroboros Inner Circle at protonmail.com had an email and they said that we'd like to offer you a trailer in one of the trailer parks here, such as in Belcher Town, or I saw a trailer park going to Westfield. Well, you know, to accept something like that, I'll tell you something around. To accept something like that, what happens is you forget about everything that they've done to you. And I don't want to do that. I want to make sure that I get on the court on that. And we're going to talk about the 10 months that I was in the cold and the reasons for it. You know, we're going to talk about all of this. It's going to come to come to a head. So you're planning on getting a lawyer and doing something. Yes, sir. Yes. Now this is just for yourself, not for the homeless population in general. Well, you know, it benefits everybody by me bringing it up and talking about it benefits everybody. And when I get back to where I was, where I was living, I'll be able to talk about the things that I was trying to talk about. And they didn't want to hear it. You know, they wanted to get rid of me. But when they find out that it's not so easy to treat people like this, you know, okay, I have a question about this. Generally, the lawyers charge something like $250 an hour and I'm, I'm, I'm called, I qualify for, for, for a reduced rate, which can be $75 can be $100 can be $150. But I qualify for a reduced, reduced rate. And I don't want a free lawyer because they don't work for you. They work for the other side. I want to pay. I want to pay for the lawyer. And, you know, being homeless helps me to save some money in that direction. I don't need out a different place. I don't need any, any, any of these food places. I, I buy my own food, you know, sometimes I cook it over at, I heat it up and over there at the Whole Foods or something like that, you know. But I mean, I, I take care of myself. And, you know, because they don't care about you. They really don't care about you. They, they say they do, but it's for them. It's not for you. Okay. Well, I need to mention the fact about my own experience because I rented out rooms in my house from 1974 to 2014. And a lot of these people were homeless people. I did not get along with 90% of these people. They had either alcohol problems, drug problems, psychological problems, money problems, all kinds of problems that they were experiencing. And I had difficulties dealing with these people. You know, I understand you run. You make a lot of sense. I understand that that can be a problem. Well, you should know about that before you take them in. But the whole thing is, is this where I live is the biggest, where I was living, I mean, you know, friends of the homeless is the biggest substance abuse problem in all the Springfield. Nobody's worse. You know, they have a big problem with that. And for four years, more than four years, I was trying very hard, very hard to get two AA meetings a week going there, with the executive director standing in the way. You know, he didn't want it. He didn't want it. So we got an AA. They got three AA meetings there and not one AA meeting. Well, you know, I, although I was a heroin addict and I had a hundred-dollar-a-day habit, I went to prison, stayed prison for it. I've been sober 30 years now and I got sober in AA. That's where I got sober because it's a better program, in my opinion. Anybody will tell you that it's the best program. It's the mother program. It's where everything else came from, including gambler's anonymous and all of those, cocaine's anonymous, all of those came from that program. They took it from it. You know, listen, I can't stand the mafia. They bring in the drugs. The kids are all killing each other. It's a very serious problem. Obama came up with a billion dollars to do something about it. Even Trump, who I really don't care for, is trying to do something about it. You know, the way I see it is this. I've been sober for 30 years. I'm half Italian. I want to be proud of something. And every Italian isn't the mafia. Every Puerto Rican is not a Latin king. Every black person is not the bloods. And those people, believe it or not, really don't want to be associated with anybody like that. And I don't either. I really don't want to talk to anybody. If I know he's a mafia, I find something that has real reason I have to leave. Okay. Well, I'm going to get back to my own experience because the majority of people that I rented out to were homeless people. As a matter of fact, one of the people that came over to my house came over from the homeless shelter in Northampton. And he actually was one of my best tenants. I liked the guy because there was not really much problems with him. He came to the house and he went in his room. He stayed in his room. That's what I kind of liked. I didn't like people kind of hanging around and doing stuff there and a house there. And like I said, I had all kinds of people living in the house there. One of the tenants I didn't particularly like because he'd have people coming around late at night or early in the morning. Somebody could be knocking at the door at 5 a.m. I'm wondering what's going on. And my other tenant that was there told me he saw that he had crack cocaine there. I don't know if he was selling it or using it. I don't know what the problem was. It's a terrible problem today. You know, the drugs is a big, big problem today. The kids are dropping off like flies. They're dropping off like flies, right? Right. Well, I realized that a lot of these homeless people do have problems with drugs. And I think that's one of the reasons why they're homeless. But in my opinion, they could set up some kind of situation. For example, I had got a magazine that I was looking at different types of houses because I happen to live in the house now. I have a house but I have no heat in the house because I can't really afford the heat. I have a mortgage payment and a cop payment. You know, the problem with the friends that are homeless is that they're way of dealing with the problem of alcoholism, which is a disease. And it's not a moral issue. It's something that is affected. If the Pope had a problem with drugs, he'd steal from the poor box. He would. You know, it's not a moral issue. What it is is a serious problem that really needs to be treated. And, you know, their treatment for drug dependent persons is kick them out, put them on a doorstep. That does not treat the problem. You know, what they should do is get them into rehab, rehabilitation, two AA meetings a week, like I've been trying to do, you know, where you can talk to these people and say, look, you know, I had the problem. And that's the thing that recovers people. When you tell people, look, I had the problem. I had a hundred a dollar a day habit. I ended up in state's prison for it and I'm 30 years old. But wow, it can happen because these people aren't enjoying their lives really. Once they get hooked, it's not fun no more. It's something that they can't do without, you know, right? And, you know, they'll do it. They, you know, what the friends at a homeless like about these people is that they will do anything that they say because they just leave me alone so I can do my drugs. Yes, okay, yeah, I'll make sure that the garbage is out and everything. Anything, just as long as I can do my drugs, you know, that's what they like about these people. What they need to do is help them. Help them get straightened out. Well, like I mentioned, they did have a series on National Public Radio. Unfortunately, I could only hear one of the programs about new people. I had the problem for years. I know a lot about it. Okay. I had the problem for years. So a lot of times it depends on the community too. Some communities are more aggressive with dealing with homeless people than others. It depends on the community. So maybe spring feel might not be in the top 10. They might be in the middle somewhere. I'm sure that there's a homeless situation just about anywhere. Friends of the homeless, their idea of handling the problem is to give it to somebody else. That's their idea of handling the problem of alcoholism, which they have a big problem over there. It's bigger than any place else in the Springfield. But they don't have the right attitude. They want, they feel like it's some kind of a moral issue. Well, you know, they're doing wrong. What they need to do is get these people some help. They need to be helped. Okay. Well, I'm sure that there's programs to try to help people. Oh, yeah. And they have AA everywhere. You know, it's not like they don't have AA around there. It's everywhere. But if it was there, you know, Ron, it would be in their face all the time. And there would just be when usually pain is what causes the people to get recovery. You know, and if the AA meetings are going on all the time and you're there at the right time, say, hey, look, why don't you come to this meeting with me? And that's where it starts. And by looking at somebody like me or somebody that's been sober for a long time, you know, that that's what that's the thing that causes the people to keep coming, you know, and people fall down, of course, because like I said, it's a disease, but they get up and they try. And if you got somebody there that's putting on the meetings and that's been through it, you know, those are the people that are needed. Those are the people that need to keep the people coming, you know. Okay, I have some more questions for you here. So now you seem to be kind of preoccupied with Springfield, but these places like Amherst that has resources, I actually have a card here. It's Amherst Community Connections. Everyone deserves a second chance. And is that about relocating? And they have information here. Housing is the solution to homelessness. I see. That's that's relocation, what you're talking about? No. Well, no, let me finish talking here. Okay. Now, you're kind of interested in being in Springfield. Is it because the, wait a minute, is it because there's the MGM casino and you'd prefer to be going to the casino? I don't go to casinos. Never. I've never been to one. Okay. So there is the MGM casino, so I'm kind of thinking maybe people are thinking. I've never been to one. I don't intend to ever, I won't give them a nickel. Okay. So what is the interest of Springfield? The interest is that I was trying to get some help, help some of the people where I lived. And they, because of that, I was kicked out. And I want to get back to the exact place where I was or maybe not the same room, but same place and continue to try and help the people that lived there. So the thing with this is this. I'm 69 years old now. I had a bad life and they continue to try and give me a bad life. But I want to help people before I die. These people, they don't care about nobody. And that's why we're going to have to try and straighten them out. You know what I mean? Somebody needs to do it. Okay. Well, you keep saying, quote, these people and that's the Springfield people. Well, it's not, it's only them. It's people that are, it's usually the people running the show, they're not nice people, you know, the people that are running the show, people that, the corruption is very deep. It goes all the way to the judge, Ronnie. Well, I'm sure that there's some kind of a problem in any way that you go. I've seen, oh, sure. Yeah, there's problems every way you go. But I like the problems of trying to do the right thing. Those are my problems that I like, because I know I'm happy with myself. I like myself for doing that. You know, you can, you can go around treating people bad, you know, but it's going to come back at you like that snake eating this tail, you know. That's the aeroboros. It's going to come back at you and bite you in the ass or the Okay, so if I give you this card here about Amherst community connections, you don't want it because you don't want to deal with the Amherst thing. You're not really interested. I'm not interested in moving. So this is an attitudinal thing that it's either your way or the highway. Well, it was either their way or the highway. But now it's my way, my way only. And it's going to happen. So if you get an offer for a place, say like in Northampton or something, you're not going to take it. I'm not taking any place anywhere except for back there. And I'm going to get that. I'm going to bring them to court. I'm going to get that. And they're going to have to be very apologetic for what they put me through. Very apologetic. Well, maybe they'll be saying something in court that you might have some kind of mental problems due to your drug use. Well, you know, they can say whatever they want to say, but I'm going to have a lawyer saying something to them. Their questions are going to be the ones that are going to be hard to answer. Mines are easy. Okay. Well, I'm predicting in the future that actually robots are going to be taking the place of lawyers because the robots don't have like an orientation. They just stick to the facts. Right now they're going to have to listen to a lawyer. They're going to be have to, they'll have to listen to a lawyer. So what you're saying is that you're going to go after these people in Springfield with a lawyer and attorney. Yes, paid attorney. And this is your goal in life is that you're going to go in life is to try do something right and to make these people accountable for their actions. Okay. Yes. So now this place in Springfield, where is it located? Worthington Street, 755 Worthington Street in Springfield. And you wrote something to me and told me that you actually need to use a fingerprint in order to get into the building. That's the truth. That's the truth. You know, you have to use a fingerprint to get in the door to go into your room in the front door. Now, if you got a little dirt on your finger, it doesn't work. If it's cold, it doesn't work. If there's oil on there, it doesn't work. If you cut your finger or something, it won't work because it doesn't record it right. If there's dirt on the glass itself, it won't work. So people are having trouble getting in and you know, let me tell you something. If you're a career criminal, it shouldn't matter. If you're a rents page, you should be able to get in your room, you know. And these people, most of them are just drug addicts, our alcoholics, they do have problems. Yes. They're not being treated right about them. You know, they can't even get in their door. So what happens is they put something in the door to keep it open. And what does that do? It shuts down security completely. Anybody can get in. Okay. They say that it's there for security reasons. But because they put something in the door, anybody can get in there. Okay. So I have a question about that too. Now, they're trying to keep out the riff-raff. That makes it easier for anybody to get in if they put something in the door. And a reason they put it in the door is because they can't get in. So say if somebody doesn't have authorization to go in. They made a problem, is what they did. They made a problem. So it's not like open to all the homeless people, only some of the homeless people. Just the people that live in that building. But there might be more homeless people wanting to get into the building. It could happen, yes. So how would they get in? If there's something in the door, they just open it. Well, how did you get into that building? You had to get in by fingerprint. But I mean, before you did the fingerprint, how did you get into the building? I didn't. They had a fingerprint thing when I got there. So you had to go to like an office or something? You'd go to the office? No. Well, oh, you mean if you can't get in? How did you get into this building in the first place? You had to sign up somewhere. Okay. No. You didn't have to sign up. What you did was you took it. When you got the room, they had your fingerprints. You used your fingerprint to get the door, to open the door to go up to your room. Then you'd use your own key and your own door. Well, that's the way it was. Now, I mean, if you can't get in your room and somebody put something in there, anybody can get in there. Okay. Well, I'm kind of curious about people getting established so that they can use that as a place to stay. And so you must have gone to some kind of office, I'm guessing, some kind of office that you had to go to. No. What you did was you went there and you got, once you were, first you were in the homeless shelter, then you get a room. When you get the room, your fingerprinted, now you can use that door to get up and give you a key for your door. Now, they say that it's for security reasons, but it doesn't really work that well. No, it's counterproductive. Now, can you bring a friend to your room and kind of sit around? In the building that I was, yes. I never brought anybody there ever because I didn't trust the people that were in the place. I figured they would probably put some drugs in there or something and say that, well, he's got people going in there all the time. But nobody, not even my mother, ever went in my room, except for people that worked there. Now, I rented out, like I said, for 40 years and I rarely went inside the room that I rented out, I basically would leave notes on the door. I was one of those. I'd write a note and I said, make sure that you pay by Friday. I found letters inside my room. I don't know how to get there. How can I prove they get there? They could open the door and put it there. The letter was found inside my room. Nobody's got any right going inside your room. I have proof that twice they've gone in my room without permission. There's a woman that works there that's been seen coming out of people's rooms when they're not home. What did they do? Instead of firing her, they gave her a promotion. Now she's like a boss in a way over there. That's the way the corruption is very deep. I found every effort made to keep it going. I know that I've had two dozen jobs since the 60s. I've worked on quite a number of different jobs. I like to rate jobs on a scale of one to ten, one being the worst and ten is the best. My experience dealing with the tenants in terms of getting money, I rate renting out as a one. The worst way ever to get money is to rent out to people. It was the worst thing ever. I wish I never even started. It was just one problem after another. I experienced all kinds of people living in my house. They were stealing records, CDs, stealing furniture, not paying rent. I had a guy that lived there almost a year. He didn't pay rent for a year. I had to pay a lawyer $2,000 to a victim because he wasn't paying rent. I had to run to the court twice. First, the judge sided with him. He said, well, just pay him a few hundred dollars and they paid me a few hundred dollars and they lived again another six months and paid rent. I never had a problem with paying rent. I always paid my rent. I feel that you need to pay your rent. Everybody has to pay rent. Even if you own your own house, you're paying rent. Really, you pay taxes or whatever. You have to pay your rent. I've experienced people that have not wanted to bother paying. They stay there. The last tenant that stayed in my house owed me something like $800. What did he do? He packed up and snuck out. There aren't bad people, I know. He didn't pay his $800. I'm not one of them. I'm not saying you, but when I was a kid, I was bad. I changed. I'm saying that this is a reputation that people have that they don't really want to deal with them because they know from experience that some of these people, they'll try to get away without paying rent or they'll be stealing stuff. I didn't have any problem with any of that stuff. I had one of my tenants stole records from me and then he'd go. I've seen the executive director set somebody up and as soon as he gets rid of him, he's pat him on the back and say, you can come back and visit us for lunch or something like that sometime. He's a sexually harassed woman, got caught and when they found out that it was true, they paid $30,000 to get him off the hook. Can you imagine that? And he had the same problem in Northampton too. Well, this is a guy that worked at the shelter. The guy that works there down, Bill. I can't say his last name. I'm not supposed to say his last name, but he's the executive director at Friends of the Homeless. Unless they change them, he was the executive director and what a piece of work he is. Well, people lose their jobs all the time. That's not really like a big issue. But some of these people that had qualifications, they got rid of them because they had some kind of baggage, some kind of baggage that they got rid of them from some kind of problems that they had years ago. Many of these people got baggage themselves. I believe a lot of what President Obama stood up for. He was very big on children. He liked kids and I understand that. The kids of our future. I donate a lot of things to the YMCA for the kids over there. I'm worried about the kids. I'm not worried about the mafia bringing in the drugs. I talk bad about them because I'm worried about the kids, the kids. That's who I'm worried about. They're killing each other. And they're dropping off like flies from that fentanyl or something coming from China. These things are facts. The kids are our future and we need to worry about them. It's that simple. Some of these kids actually are homeless. I've heard on the radio about homeless families. And so they are homeless themselves. So you're not really at the top of the list. Perhaps I'm guessing they probably try to help homeless families first. And somebody like yourself, a single guy. They talk about, they talk about, you know, while the Republicans say, well, you know, we go up on the price of education, stuff like that. And the Democrats are trying to get a free education. I don't believe that somebody that's poor, his father's mothers are poor, that if their kid has got brains that he should go without an education, it's to our benefit. Right. Well, I'm sure that they have programs to take care of that. But what I'm mentioning- That's all I'm saying. I agree with that. I'm mentioning that there are homeless families that they might put as their first priority. So maybe you're kind of down the list. So you're kind of focused on yourself being a single guy. You said that you don't have any connections. You said you had a daughter. Well, what I'm going to do is get a lawyer. See, that's the connection I need. Now, I asked you last time you were interviewed. I said that, you know, maybe you might want to go to a warmer climate or something that way. And I told you that you can't run away from your problems, you know. If you put an elephant inside of a suitcase and bring him down to California, what's going to come out of the suitcase? An elephant. You're going to be with who you are. And you know, I'd have to start all over. I enjoy being who I am. I know the people I know. I like you. I like people. I talk to them. I don't want to start all over. And I'm not going to run away from my problems. That's not going to happen. Well, it's not just your problem. It's a community problem. And I was going to offer you this, but you said you weren't interested in anything to do with the Amherst Community Connections, you said. I don't want to move. But they might be able to help you in Springfield. Okay, listen, I'll tell you what's wrong here. What you don't understand is that I don't want to, I don't want to not go back to Friends of the Homeless. That's where I want to go, Friends of the Homeless. And when I do, I want to have a lawyer because I want to make sure that they're held accountable for what they did. You know, see what I'm saying? I don't want somebody to say, well, look, I'll call up and I'll make arrangements. I'll talk to so-and-so, I'll get you. Once you get there, you get the same problems. They're going in your room, they're doing this, they're doing that. You get the same problem. Once you get a lawyer, all of a sudden things change. So the power changes. So you're interested in making major changes in the- Accountable, accountability. Okay. I want them to be accountable for their actions and that they weren't very good. Well, they knew I had emphysema when they kicked me out. You know, they don't care about people. They'll say they do, you know, when we get the court, they're going to try and say they do, but they're not going to look too good. They're going to be a different set of questions than, you know, because a lawyer's going to be on my side and they're not going to look good. There's no way they can possibly look good because I have all the paperwork on those little flash drives. Okay. So basically, I'm kind of wanting to finish up the program here and I want to get more information about the, quote, homeless experience because you said that you have places that you stay, you stay outside. So you've been outside like in the winter time and what's your opinion about this thing? I heard that two people in Greenfield died. They were living in tents by McDonald's. Well, you know, you can, you know, there's a possibility of dying out there, you know. They know that. They hope that you get really cold and that you suffer and that you come back and do whatever they want them to do. That's the motivation for these people to get you to do whatever they feel like you're doing. And they like to treat you like a little kid. That way they can do whatever they want with you. If they put you in old folks home, you know, well, you know, hey, look, you don't have to move over here because it's for your own good, you know, that's the way they are, you know. And it's not for your own good. What it is for is for their benefit. That's why they do everything for their own benefit. Well, I'm not too sure about this old folks home. Well, that's what they try to do, you know, or they try to give you a trailer or something, anything. They'll try to do anything but own up to what they did. Okay. You know, that's what they'll try to do, but they're not going to succeed. Okay. Well, so you're basically kind of angry about what happened. Oh, I'm elated. I want to have a party because of it. I'm very happy about the whole thing. I want to have a little tea party about. Of course I'm angry. I didn't, I should have never got kicked out and I got kicked out. Of course I'm angry. I mean, let's face it, this and talking to somebody and saying, well, isn't going to help. It's going to keep the corruption going on. Okay. It's going to keep them doing just what they want to do. Keep it going. Well, this might be good for homeless families because they're homeless families that are looking for a place to stay. I'm sure that there's people that are looking to have a place to stay. Now, what's your opinion about this concept I heard on the news about sending these people that are coming up from Central America and Trump wants to send them to sanctuary cities. You'll be having competition with that. I think that my personal opinion is I think that Trump is really not president material. That's my opinion. He doesn't like anybody. He doesn't even like women. He likes them for one thing, but I mean, he doesn't like women. And you know, he's painted a picture of these Mexicans all being bad. And quite frankly, each and every one of us has good and bad people. I'm half Italian. There is a mafia. What nationality are you? There are bad people in your nationality too, but there's also good people. And you know, something, the Mexicans work very, very hard. They're the ones that picked all the strawberries in California. Well, these are not all Mexicans. They said that now it's primarily families from Central America that's coming up here. Well, he started the problem with all of his baloney about, you know, putting up walls and stuff. Walls are obsolete. You can go under them. You can go over them. They go through them, you know? We just had a guy dig a hole underneath right where the jail cell is and get a guy out of jail. Then they put them on a motorcycle that's on a railroad track that can't hit the sides of the wall so he can escape. Yeah, that was a famous story that was on the news. It really happened. Yeah, I heard about that. And I understand these things can happen, you know. They could run a train under his wall. You know what I mean? The whole thing that is is all you need is money. And believe me, they have money. So, what I'm asking you is that... Drones is the way to go. Drones. What I'm asking you is, say you have a thousand immigrants wanting to get in your building, friends of the homeless, do you think that they would be, prefer you over the immigrants? I don't know what they would do. Well, I'll say this. He says that they're coming in to take advantage of the welfare and all that, but let me tell you something. You go around, just maybe Northampton if you want, walk down the street. Are any of those people Mexicans? They're Americans that are begging out there. Those are Americans. You know, most of those people that are doing all the begging are Americans. These Mexicans are hard workers. They really are. And what I think he should do is give him a green card. Give him a green card with an option of trying to become a citizen, you know, instead of what he's doing. You know, he hurt 800,000 Americans. You know, those are Americans. Those weren't even immigrants. They weren't even immigrants. Okay, so what you're saying is that we do need to take care of homeless Americans, not necessarily homeless immigrants? What I think is that these immigrants, this country was built on immigration, Ronnie. You know, it was starting with the slaves, and then it moved everybody who came in after that. I don't know any Indians. I don't know any American Indians. You know, this country was built on it. What I'm saying is this, they shouldn't, he shouldn't be treating these people as badly as he is. These people should maybe get a green card. They'll probably work. I know a Cambodian woman that I've helped for many years. She works like three people. Like three people she works like. We're very lucky to have people like that in this country. Very lucky. Okay. So you don't, you don't have any problem with one of these people taking your room over there in Springfield? If they get the room, you know, why shouldn't they get the room if they qualify for it? Okay. I got that room coming. I qualified. They should have never got rid of me to begin with. Okay. That's coming. So hopefully you're going to get your old room back? I'm not going to get it back. Not hopefully. I'm going to get it back. You're going to get it back. So you're... I could have got it back this way, but I'm going to get it back the right way and become accountable for their actions. So you're planning on having a lawsuit here and going through the whole rigmarole? Exactly. Exactly. Well, I'm saying good luck with that. That there's probably people that could be helped if you have a lawsuit. I'm sure that this could, this could start something that might change things in the United States. But the homeless problem is a problem all over the world. It's not just the United States. I'm sure that, you know, there's people in China that are homeless and the Chinese are noted for executing people there after the Uyghurs that they use artificial intelligence to try to figure out who these people are. I'll say one thing. I disagree with almost everything that Trump says, but he was right talking about the Chinese taking advantage of a lot of countries. They do. Okay. So you might not be too interested in having a Chinese people go over to your place in Springfield? I get along with Chinese people too. I get along with everybody. Yes. I get along with Puerto Ricans, blacks, everybody. There's good and bad in there. All people, you know, not everybody is gangster. You know, it's true. It's very true. Okay. And I think that I have never met, I'm not saying that there isn't any, there's plenty of bad Mexicans, but I'm saying I have never met one and I've made plenty of them. Well, it's on the news that it's primarily Central Americans that are coming up because of the gangs and stuff that are in Central America. Many of these people are hungry. They want to work and they'll work harder than anybody. These people are hungry for work, most of them. Okay. You know, he's got them all drug dealers, but that's not true. That's not true. Listen, I've never seen a president that likes more than this guy. Okay. Well, he's kind of sensationalistic, so he'll be saying things that gets in the headlines. He's constantly in the news all the time. I think he's in the news a lot more than Obama. I don't know. I don't have the statistics. Well, he thrives on that kind of stuff. You know, I mean, he's like, but you know, I'll tell you, way back when he was telling everybody, you're fired on television, way back then I didn't like him because instead of saying, you know, well, maybe you could be a security guard or a janitor or something like that. Go die as you're at it. It was his attitude and I didn't care for him after that. Okay. Well, I'm not saying one way or another about the current president because in my opinion, a president's basically proposed and the Congress disposes. That's why Obama couldn't seem to get anything accomplished. He was making proposals. The Congress didn't go along with them. Well, I'm not afraid of him. I'll just say that. There's a lot of Americans that wouldn't say crap if they are all full of it. And you know, they're afraid that some of it would still out and they'd have to clean it up. But you know, I don't care what he thinks. Really, I don't care. You know, it doesn't make any difference to me because things could never get any worse than they are now. What could they possibly do? Put me in jail? Go ahead. Okay. Well, we're getting off the subject here because we're kind of talking about Trump and I hear Trump all the time. I don't really want to be discussing Trump because it's constantly in the news because I listen to national public radio all the time. And most people aren't afraid to talk about him anymore either. Yeah, it's just it's kind of like it's just too much to deal with. I don't really want to be dealing with Trump. Anyway, I had problems with all of the government programs, all of them. Dental, welfare, food stamps. What happened was I told him, I says, listen, I says, they sent me a letter saying that I had to register for a vote. And I wrote on the bottom, I says, many people I know that don't vote that have food stamps. And so they canceled my food stamps for saying that. And you know, I didn't tell no lie. A lot of people I know never have voted in their life and still get food stamps. So they canceled them. So I wrote a letter saying, well, what do we vote for anyway? To pretend that it makes a difference? It really doesn't. They do what they want to do anyway. You know, don't send me any more registration forms because I'm certainly not interested in voting. Okay. Well, we have to wrap it up because I don't know what time it is. I've been kind of just rambling here with you. And it's been an interesting conversation. I want to make sure that you do swear that you told the truth and nothing but the truth. I forgot to bring my Bible with me. I was going to bring the Bible. But I swear I told the truth and nothing but the truth. You know, police, they take it every day and lie. In court, they do it every day and lie. I'm telling the truth. You know, hey, listen, I only got one life to live and I was bad when I was young and I want to be good now, you know, and that's all. Okay. Well, is there anything else that you want to point out about the homeless situation because I didn't really get too much information about your alternative lifestyle? There's a lot of people out there that really shouldn't be, you know, they, like I said, they try to, they try to make you soften you up by throwing you out there in a wilderness, you know, and then have you come begging back and you know, it happens in most cases. It does. It won't happen with me. You know, I mean, nothing I said will hurt me. You know, I mean, they can't do nothing to me, but it will happen to a lot of people. So I might have you say exactly what happens when you finish your activities for the day and you're ready to go to sleep. Do you make a prayer? Like now I lay me down to sleep. I pray the Lord my soul to keep if I should die before I wake, I pray the Lord my soul to keep. Do you make a prayer or something? Nothing like that. What I always say is thank you God for another day of sobriety and help help all the sick and suffering people in the world. And that's basically what I'm doing. Okay. So can you describe your night activity? You go to your special place and what happens when you go to your special place? I go to sleep. I get in a sleeping bag and I go to sleep. Well, so it's just a sleeping bag? You don't use a top or anything? Do you have some kind of cover? Overhangs. You got to be have overhangs. Where else you get rained on, you know, or snowed on. And different ones. There's lots of them. There's plenty of them. So you don't stay in just one place. You kind of move around from place to place. That's right. So you'll go to one place and then you'll go to another place. That's right. Is it like every night that you have a different place that you go or just once a week? Well, you know, whatever I feel like doing at that time, you know, there could be a lot of wind. So I'll have to do a certain way. There'll be rain with a lot of wind. So I'll have to do a different way. Then there'll be a lot of rain. So I'll go a different way. It all depends on what's going on. I go with whatever I have to and I just do the best I can. So I have a subscription to a motorcycle magazine and they had an article about people camping out. They go on a mount motorcycle and they camp out and they said that you need certain items to go camping out. I'm sure that you have a lot of items or you don't really have that much. So you have maybe like some kind of a thing that you put on a ground, a mat or something? Sometimes, you know, you can do it that way too. Yes, you can do it that way too. It all depends on what you got to do. I do whatever I have to do. Whatever I have to do and I do it good. Okay, well I was just curious because I have this magazine. I was kind of looking at it. I said maybe I should give you a copy of this. Well, it's not that. It's just that they were saying about what to do when you're sleeping somewhere like on a beach or something. They'll have a picture of the motorcycle on the beach and they'll have people probably living on a beach somewhere. Of course, this is in the warm of weather, but I'm sure that these people on motorcycles, they go traveling around. I've been homeless long enough. So I've talked to Senator Neal several times. I got a referral from him. It took a long time to get that. And now that's in my paperwork that's in that flash drive or whatever you call it. And you know, I can tell you this, they're not going to mess with me much because it'll only hurt them because I've tried too hard to do the right thing and I've gotten nowhere. If I was to murder somebody, I would have a lawyer in a week, but if they do the wrong thing, here it is 10 months later out in the cold and I still don't have a lawyer. There's some place I can go right there. I'm already in the right track. We're going to have to end this conversation. I really don't know how long we've been going. I think we've been talking almost an hour. I'm not really sure. I didn't really look at the time, but we have a long program here and I guess we're going to have to end it because I used to make programs over here. I tried to keep it either a half an hour or an hour. So I don't really want to go over an hour, although sometimes when you have music, they have music performances and generally goes over an hour. So I made programs here for about 12 years, so I did make a lot of programs. I made a program with you, but I made a bunch of other programs in the past. I did a lot of stuff there. I retired from doing the programs and I was a little reluctant to do this program because I have to kind of spend extra time. I had to come over here. Are you going to edit this because only you can edit it? He said, you don't have to worry about nobody digitally editing anything. Yeah, I'll have to work arrangements with them to come over here and do this. Of course, this is time consuming to do this because I've done it for 12 years. I actually have something like 200 tapes that were unedited because it takes so much time. Most of this doesn't have to be edited. This is all good stuff. Okay. Well, we'll leave it at that and I'll have to see how things go here. You got nervous about with Trump. If you want to edit some of that, you can go ahead. You were nervous about that, but I'm not nervous at all about it. Well, I'm just saying that there's too much discussion about Trump and we were trying to avoid that. But I am going to point out that if somebody wants to contact you, we have the roborosintercircleatprotonmail.com. I'd like to get, well, you know what I'd like to get is another card about that guy from Boston and I'll be happy. Okay. Well, this is to contact him. Unfortunately, I don't follow email protocol. So there's no guarantee that you're going to get a response because generally I don't deal with the computers. I have to go to the library. I actually have a Gmail account. I have over 1700 emails on there. I'm not going to be sitting at the library for hours on end looking at emails. So say if I have a hundred emails, most likely I'm not going to be looking at each and every one. But we do have an email address. I'm not going to guarantee that you're going to get a response if you want to contact him. Have you got a code name you want to be using? My friend used to call me Fab. How do you spell that? The bus drivers call me butterscotchbilly, you know, because I give them butterscotchbilly. Butterscotchbilly, you want to use that? I don't know. You got to have a nickname. Well, I'm just saying like if they want to address something on email and they don't know how to spell your name. So I'm just kind of using this. They said we want to contact quote butterscotchbilly or some other kind of thing there. Somebody says that they're going to have a lawyer to help you out to say somebody. Listen, listen. You edit this thing, you give me a good tape and I'll pay you. Okay? Okay. Well, really we just need to discuss the email thing here. So right now we're on the on TV. So I'm going to just I'm going to end it here. I'm going to shake your hand for the time being here for the interview. Glad that we had the arrangements. We're going to finish up here. I'm going to have to leave here because I have to be heading back home probably in an hour. So I'm going to go home. I mean, I'm going to go out to eat and everything. So hopefully we'll have everything all set up. I did editing for somebody for a program. Last one you didn't edit. You did good. You did good. You left it the way it was pretty much. Well, I'm telling you what happened. I had a black guy that was a minister and we went to do we had the minister and he wanted to have me make the program so we could sell the DVDs at one of his gatherings with the church people. And I said, well, I haven't finished the thing. All I want to do is help people. Okay. That's where I'm coming from. I don't want to I don't want anything for it. I was offered $1,700 twice to take the money and to leave. And I told him, no, I says, it's not about money. And this is people from the inner circle? No, this is people. Well, this is people from friends in a homeless. Okay. Well, like I said, there's people that are involved with a lot of different situations and they're kind of like part of this so-called inner circle. There are people that are able to do things. The inner circle as opposed to the people on the outer circle, the ones on the inside. Okay. Thank you very much.