 I think the question is though Jenny if you were paying attention to the show How did you know the answer we're getting in the pastries? I have a sixth sense about pastries That when pastries are in peril I run the pastry the pastry Yeah, you saw like a shining croissant. They're calling let them in Pastries in danger No, I went to go get the little leftover breakfastie part that I had also brought and I was like why is it moving So you didn't really for apples benefit. Yeah It was really just the advanced scouting team and I Disabused them They should be in my pastries Sorry ants out of my pastries get your ants out of my pastries. I mean this is literally how you get ants Have pastries on the counter. Yeah, all right All right now. I'm going away. Okay brought the level of discourse up a little bit So Justin you feel that's paired you feel ready. Yes, you feel feverish Burn it up here. Yeah hot takes literally 101.7 degrees All right, let's do this Get you get you back in bed This episode of the Daily Tech news show is brought to you by me If you'd like to bring the next episode to yourself go to Daily Tech news show comm slash support to be part of the show Let's do this Tom This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday February 18th 2016 I'm Tom Merritt joining me right now Mr. Justin Robert young independent podcaster co-creator of the contender game and regular Thursday contributor on the Daily Tech News show how fair you sir. Ah Man, you know, I'm just living the dream out here in Oakland, California I've been in the midst of a bit of a fever But that is nowhere in comparison to the burning fever. I have for tech news Well, believe me the the whole world has caught encryption debate fever We're gonna talk a little more about some of your reactions to Apple's stance on Cooperating with the FBI or not cooperating with the FBI as it may be but let's start off with some headlines Apple released an updated version of iOS 9.2.1 that will restore phones disabled by error 53 Which I after seeing someone compare it to air rule or order 66. I can't not hear error 53 in Palpatine's voice The error was showing up often for people who had a third party replace the connector in their touch ID sensor in case you're wondering users will only be able to get the update through iTunes and it will not restore touch ID functionality, but it will restore functionality of the actual phone The touch ID functionality error 53 is supposed to prevent tampering with that fingerprint sensor, which is but it should still allow the phone to work customers who paid for an out-of-warranty Replacement of their advice should contact Apple care for reimbursement Good move and finally an Apple story that cracks the top of the news, right? Yeah, it's about time That we we saw Apple lead off a show And and it's interesting like the fact that this has to do with touch ID and security Does touch on some of the same issues on how the secure enclave works The fact that the secure enclave is meant to be tamper proof is what causes This problem, which is the same thing that the FBI is asking Apple to come up with a solution for But this this is the way it's supposed to work Apple says look We should be the only people who can verify that a touch ID sensor has been replaced correctly So you need to bring it into an Apple store to get fixed if you want the fingerprint sensor to work But you should be able to have that home button replaced by somebody else if you're willing to give up that fingerprint sensor tracking and still have your phone work Mo security mo problems Skype group video calling for up to 25 people at once is rolling out for iOS and Android users in Europe and the US today Features should be available worldwide in March join the party folks jump on in there You can do you can do chat invites to people can join by video over the web into your big party call It's a it's a great day for 25 person or less conference calls You know, I guess His business is a good example of why you would use a 25 person call, right? Yeah I I don't know if you need to be able to see every single person But business conferences do tend to go a little smoother when you can see people's reactions tell if they're paying attention All that kind of stuff you are Yeah Apple formally introduced Apple pay today in China partnering with China Union pay to roll out the mobile payment system Customers from 19 Chinese banks Apple pay can be used with Union pays nationwide point-of-sales network as a side note Union pay has a similar deal With Samsung to honor Samsung pay So this is part of Union pay trying to fight back Ali pays 68% online payment market share in China I You know I Before we kind of get into you know the the Byzantine world of Chinese bank market share You know, I think it is very very interesting to see Where Apple pays? Standing is you know worldwide that that as as we look at this obviously They're doing okay here in in in America, but whether or not this will take hold around the world is something that's Curious. Yeah, China's the fifth market only the fifth market for Apple pay to come into but it's a big one And and it's a we all need each other situation Union pay Ali Bob is Ali pay is definitely predominant, right? So to Union pay and would love to have a big ally like Apple to help get people enthusiastic About using something that their system is operating Well, we'll see though if in an entirely different system. It's one thing to fight against the United States Typical, you know what we're used to credit cards and cash and paying with your phone I don't know like even if it's available people don't always do it in China People are used to paying online With Ali pay will they want to switch to something that involves their phone hard to say? Yeah, yeah, and you know strange bedfellows Apple pay and and Samsung pay under the same roof when I can China Union pay The FCC voted three to two to approve a notice of proposed rulemaking today to formally consider rules to unlock set top cable boxes the NPR M recommends that MPVD's allow Third-party set top box makers to access programming information program feeds and usage rights FCC chairman Tom Wheeler Tom Wheeler Says it that a final vote will take place before the end of the year after a period of public comment If enacted pay TV companies would have two years to comply with the new rules Oh two years. I think that's just about time for set top boxes to become obsolete So we've solved it just in time I mean, I would be really excited about this in 2002. I'd be jumping up and down saying yes Thank goodness, you know break those those local monopolies over cable boxes. Let me buy a Tivo Let me buy a Microsoft Ultimate TV and use it with whatever Cable TV provider I want that's what an MPVD is by the way It's a multi-program video distributor and and if you're like white, this is the government regulation Well, yes, it is but MPVD's are beneficiaries of government regulation that govern How the contracts can be negotiated with the networks so that they can't be refused on reasonable grounds, which is one of the reasons that Comcast can provide TV but Apple is having such a hard time because they don't get the benefits of the MPVD agreements It's why Ario had to go out of business. They tried to say hey, we're an MPVD. They said no, you're not So there are some big benefits to being called an MPVD and the FCC is saying but you should also make their Make it available for people to have choice over what device they use and the thing is this is going to be obsolete this is not going to matter because Comcast is doing a skinny bundle time mourners doing a skinny bundle that operate over the internet that work on Roku's that can work on multiple devices and I think in two years time That will be the new wave is oh you just buy a box that works over the internet even if you want to get time runner cable or Comcast You know it I think I'm you totally nailed it that you know There's there could have been in an alternate universe an entire industry You know that that followed in Teavos footsteps and really kind of made You know functioning UIs for the for you know for one you know to to help with a cable experience But you're totally right. I mean the future is already here. It's not coming It's here and it has no use for set-top boxes the GSMA has announced a new e-sim Specification for wearables and tablets and Samsung's gear s2 classic 3g watch will be the first device to support it When it comes out in March a standard for smartphones is expected to be announced in June That one will support multiple carriers this this one for the wearables in the tablets will only support one carrier at a time But dual sim is more of a common thing on phones than it is on on tablets and watches A lot of people who are used to the sim card universe and like swapping out sims or are wary of this Situation but the idea is to make it so instead of having to have little cards that you're able to swap out sims virtually all the time Absolutely, you know there's a You know I think this is kind of freedom for stuff is is certainly something that people are really excited about If only we had it for set-top boxes The Hollywood Presbyterian Medical Center CEO Alan Stafanik confirmed to the AP that the hospital has paid 40 bitcoins worth approximately $17,000 to regain control of its computer network the hospital discovered ransomware on February 5th And the attackers are originally demanded 3.6 million worth of Bitcoin Who knew that this the medical center was holding on to so many coin Yeah, I imagine they didn't have the coins I've got a good a guess they had to go out and buy the coins to meet meet the demands They are working with the FBI they say they're still going to try to catch the bad guys But they they finally negotiated them down to an amount that made it worth paying the ransom to get the hospital records Back and working so they could start fully operating I mean they were still taking patience and operating their emergency room But they were having to do everything on paper and they were at a reduced load. They're having to send some patients away, so Yeah, this is this is a victory for the attackers Yeah, no certainly. I mean you never want to see something like this, you know end with the bad guys winning But I think the bad guys won Google announced the public beta of its cloud vision API that lets developers build image recognition and classification into apps This is the same tech that powers image search and Google photos and now you can put it in your own app It could also flag inappropriate conduct conduct sentiment analysis Let's say you only want to show happy faces or sad faces. It can tell which or which Price will be based upon use for instance label detection will cost $2 per thousand image Optical character recognition is a little cheaper 60 cents per thousand images and One company Yik Yak has already been using the API for text extraction and feature detection This is really really interesting and and and one of those like great Google APIs that you know, I could certainly see getting more use throughout, you know Especially in how image focus so much of our content is these days. Yeah And and Google is not alone Microsoft's project Oxford is in preview Attempting to provide the same sort of thing face detection computer vision sentiment analysis So this is gonna be the wave. It's a great day for developers to have multiple choices About how to put smart image recognition in their apps and make their apps able to to handle images in a smarter way Microsoft released new firmware for the Surface Pro 4 and Surface Book meant to address power management and sleep bugs Systems had been known to heat up and drain batteries when supposedly in connected to standby mode You know, I wasn't affected by this on my Surface book as much as say Paul Throt was Who very famously ranted against this But I didn't notice that my Surface book would be asleep and the battery would just or the fan would come on And and now since this update it doesn't seem to have it hasn't been a full day with it yet But it seems to be a little better But yeah, this is this is one of those things and Peter Bright has a great article in our second Kind of talking about how it's not unusual for these kinds of driver issues to happen Even when Microsoft's making the hardware they don't make all of the pieces of the hardware and therefore they don't actually code all the drivers The way Apple does But they didn't communicate very well about this Yeah You know, this is something that you know It's it's it's almost interesting to say that if if the Surface book had more of a footprint You would have figured that this would have been a bigger story than it already was But you know good to see that it's finally getting correct was little chicken and egg there too, right surface book came out to great Lawdatory reviews in many senses though the way the facial recognition works for me has been great The fact that it can elegantly become a tablet And and the continuing system works pretty well the build of the hardware is mostly considered to be pretty good The ingenuity of the hinge is great But then it would it's had I've had some problems with Wi-Fi It's had some other driver issues, and I think Microsoft has seen slower adoption because of that IBM announced it intends to spend 2.6 billion dollars to acquire true then health analytics for IBM's Watson health unit Watson health started with data-driven health companies fightel and Explorers then added an imaging data company merge healthcare true Venn stores and can make sense of both by machine learning And by data specialists of cloud-based data repositories things like cost claims quality and outcomes So again the trick is of course getting all this stuff to work together But IBM getting all the pieces to be a healthcare data powerhouse here You know I really really really want to see where this goes You know I think that that we as a people still find health care You know take away the baseline terror that many people have in terms of Taking care of themselves and getting regular checkups You know you would think that a larger data-driven idea of you know What you are dealing with and how you can best kind of get yourself? Well would be something we were interested in and yet From a right retail side there has been kind of a reticence for people to turn over that kind of data to a third-party Company, I think you know this would be you know You know IBM certainly has a good reputation for you know crunching the numbers and spittin some back out that you So I'd be very curious to see where they go with this Yeah, I mean when I went in to the doctor last week with the flu it was she was like Yeah, you got a fever got a cough you did some air travel you've got the flu so she didn't need Watson to do that, but if I had had a More unique set of symptoms if I had had something that you couldn't explain That's where something like this can come into play and say hey, you know what we've got anonymized data It's HIPAA protected But we can say that we see that a couple of people with similar symptoms were diagnosed with this And these were the treatments that were effective and suddenly the doctor isn't stymied anymore that's that's just one example of the kind of stuff that they want to provide and And IBM is going out of its way to talk about their HIPAA compliance and their data security and all of that Which they should they need they need to convince people that that data is going to remain secure and anonymized But it could do a lot to help the health profession Absolutely and and especially for people that move around a lot or don't have a You know have seen a bunch of different doctors and where a lot can be kind of lost in translation This could be me theoretically be life-saving Well folks, thanks for submitting stories at our subreddit dailytechnewshow.reddit.com It really does help us put together the show each and every day We appreciate every submission and every vote even if all you can do is vote on a couple of stories Go do it dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and that is a look at the headlines All right Reactions there have been reactions to the Apple encryption story and of course if you missed it somehow the very basic part of it is that the FBI would like Apple to create some custom firmware that they could push Into a phone they have in their possession And allow them to get past a couple of security blocks so they could more easily try to brute force The passcode for the phone in their possession Apple says they don't want to do that because it's a bad precedent They're not being asked to hand over data They're being asked to break encryption and they they think that they don't want to set that precedent So we got lots of emails from people as you can expect lots of great posts happening at dailytechnewshow.com I picked a couple as representatives of different sides different perspectives on this We'll start with Chad Chad's been a cop for about 17 years. He's written to us before I appreciate that Chad He's a detective Investigation of computer crimes working with digital evidence for about 10 years and he's been involved in encryption He says I want to say I support Apple's decision to stand up against court order removal of encryption I still cannot believe that law enforcement in this country would even think about such a request I'm very fearful that if the courts and federal agencies are granted their request It will pave the path for law enforcement that is dangerous for everyone. I do not like what I'm seeing I saw posts in the the forums from Paradigm and I couldn't disagree with him more I feel that courts and federal agencies are making all law enforcement look like big brother and all we want to do is Spy on the communities. We have taken oaths to protect I guess I mostly just want to be a voice for the law enforcement officers that think privacy is Important and one case should not make a law I'll let a hundred suspects go before I intentionally lessen the rights of one now. That's Chad Some people not in law enforcement agreed with Chad, but other people disagreed Indeed David wrote in back to security versus privacy I was glad you made the point that this was a limited situation Even though it didn't change Darren's views that there are that that are a hundred percent privacy Without going through my prior post Apple is making a mistake to make this case a line in the sand the facts show that the owner deceased next Next adult next of kin deceased and the phone was owned by the county who is not contesting the FBI's request They should have quietly helped the FBI in this case and saved the battle for a legitimate privacy situation Picking this wrong battle to enter might have just doomed them in the courts and with future unintended legal Consequences, so that's that's really that that's really the point here On the reasonable sides you got all kinds of unreasonable sides of this But the reasonable sides are saying look we shouldn't lessen any privacy in any case No matter what that's that's not okay, and then you have people like David who are saying well wait a minute This is this is the wrong one that this is a very narrow request They've got a court order. You know why can't Apple just help them out? There the technical aspects of this are Somewhat enlightening, but they're not terribly. I mean essentially what's happening here is The FBI is saying to Apple look you have the ability to sign Operating system software. That's why we need you if we could sign the firm where we do it ourselves Yeah, all we want you to do is very limited Make one piece of firmware for this one iPhone 5c and we'll give you the phone you run it and And and brute force the password and then give it back to us and that does sound fairly reasonable What Apple is saying is it's not about what we can or can't do this is different than subpoenaing Information or coming to us with a warrant for search that we're involved in and that's where I think we want to get into The legal side of this is the FBI is asking for this extension of their search warrant powers under the all-ritz act of 1789 That allows the court to compel private assistance with executing the search warrant That's what the FBI is saying is we can't do this our own We need your help now Apple when they file their appeal or when they file their response has to show That they are removed from the underlying controversy So they have to say look we made the iPhone, but then we sold it We don't have anything else to do with it after that And that making the software is an undue burden and that's going to be a matter of debate Probably where Apple will make most of its argument is it's it's not appropriate for us to create software to crack this Now Alexander Abdo the ACLU I think points out one of the best metaphors about this He says the all-ritz act doesn't allow the government to conscript a company into service if the company doesn't have the information If the FBI is doing an investigation It can't force the local locksmith to help it break into a house It can hire a locksmith who's willing to help them break into that house because they have the warrant But the question isn't are you willing the question is can you force somebody to do something? they don't want to and Here's where I think we are getting into why this might be the biggest tech story of the year when things are all said and done I mean this is a a I was sick over the last day. This was in the a block of every cable news show You know from the those politically minded and those that are just looking for general news stories This is the crystallization of of You know the the general idea that you know backdoors equal security and and and the Ripening complexity that I think shows like this have done a really really good job of of pointing out What I think we need to understand And we need to take the time to to focus on especially if you want to have a fuller idea of this story is What exactly The fbi Should be doing let's assume that this isn't necessarily this gigantic slippery slope of you know if apple creates one backdoor Then uh now it'll be forced to do it for every other situation Which you've already heard rumblings over the last 24 hours since this story broke that you know new york cops We're like hey well, you know I'll tell you what we've got a couple of these things That we might you know need some help cracking if this is a thing that happens So I think if you want to take that that view there certainly isn't enough smoke there, but let's assume that it's not that What should The fbi do like what is the responsible thing for them to do? You're asking me. Yeah You know that's I I think this is a fair thing for the fbi to do and that's probably not a popular opinion But if I'm the law enforcement agency and I'm saying look I have a court order I I have legal basis and I am I have a very narrowly constructed Attempt if I can get them to do it I want them to do it Yeah, so so I don't I don't fault the fbi for making the request It really does come down to the judge and and I think that's That's the more difficult part of this which is Should this be allowed? Is this an overreach? And and apple is taking a very strict view saying Yeah, we know it's a narrow request, but you're asking us not to hand over information But to help you break into Information and that's the line. We don't want to cross we don't want to be a company that is legally compelled to break encryption and and and the question is Is still up for grabs whether they can even get into this if apple were to cooperate If if the passcode is a four-digit numerical it'll take them a day or so If apple cooperates if that password is is six digits, especially alpha numeric where they used alphabet and numeral characters They won't get into it. It'll take five and a half years to uncover it so It is very much a point Of principle for the fbi as well unless they know that it's a four-digit code And there could be ways that they know that In which case then then they have a more practical reason for asking for this And there are probably limited options on how to go about this. Otherwise, since again, you need that apple signed firmware That said, it's not impossible that some jailbreaker out there could help the fbi do this too Well, you know, they would just see the little little dots on top, right? You know, if there's only four of them then it's four digits I mean you could look at the finger patterns. It's all kinds of Uh, no, absolutely You know, and and I think that there's a there is a very very good point to make that, you know, this if this is the fbi Testing their limitations That it is it is it is fair for them to test it. What is going to be interesting is How this winds up shaking out, you know that that as A as as apple has refused to do it Uh, you know now whether or not Things, you know these, uh, you know companies who create these phones and these devices, especially some that are you know The erratically, uh more and more focused on security on on keeping your data your your your data your own Uh, you know, whether or not they are going to be like the Mr. Abdo said for the aclu conscripted into into breaking their own products And apple has bypassed passcodes before apple doesn't have a principle against aiding law enforcement Yeah, they could bypass passcodes in previous versions of ios. They have done so what they're objecting to is that They're not just helping get past a passcode. They're actually helping break encryption And that is that is an important point too. Apple's not saying like well, you know in the past We could unlock a phone even if we didn't know the person's passcode And and we have done that what we're saying is we don't want to aid in a bet in what is essentially a hack Uh to try to hack into this phone and and and it is again. It's a precedent setting thing The other side of this is under the all ritz act Like this we're allowed Lots of other things could also be claimed under the all ritz act, uh, that that are not The exact same thing as what the fbi is asking for very narrowly here so You have that side of it as well And for the tinfoil hot crowd There's a lot of folks thinking well, maybe the fbi is pushing this because it's a win-win If they win in court they get access to the phone if they don't win in court Maybe that'll convince the congress to come in on their side of this encryption debate and representative adam schiff Who is the top democrat on the u.s. House intelligence committee? Said in a statement wednesday that the complex issues raised by the apple case Will ultimately need to be resolved by congress the administration and industry rather than the courts alone Two weeks ago schiff was singing a different tune. He considered a legislative approach to encryption neither feasible or even desirable Oh man calm down alex jones, uh, this is uh, you know Uh, you know man add this to uh to do do john mackafee, uh Volunteering himself to crack the phone. So apple doesn't have to as uh, you know Just a few more side shows to add to this circus Yeah, sc tv is saying couldn't they just hire apple and pay for a lot of man hours of work to do this The point is apple doesn't want to do it. It's not about whether they get paid to do it or not I'm sure there could be some kind of arrangement made to defray costs apple saying we don't want to be compelled to break this It's the locksmith saying I don't want the job I don't want to help you break into that house and whether the court can say well too bad You have to help them under the law. I also think that there is part of this That is a continued element of blowback between the federal government and silicon valley Based on the whole prism Leaks with with snowden that like You got the sense especially in the aftermath of that that, you know Silicon valley felt and specifically these big data messaging companies like google and apple That they were burnt by this and that they couldn't defend themselves They were uh, they were left damaged in the eyes of their own customers And uh that that there was a it was a no win situation for them And that this is You know Who knows I think that all of these things kind of ultimately stand on their own But there is to me a little bit of a well, yeah, you want to know what no How about we don't go forward with with this, you know, even if it's reasonable We're going to fight this until you know, I guess a court tells us we absolutely have to well And that's what makes it interesting that the reactions from other tech companies have been soft and muted Google CEO sunder pichai said in a five tweet post That this could be a troubling precedent and he looks forward to the conversation Microsoft has just pointed to a statement from the reform government surveillance project, which they are a part of They haven't made a statement on their own that group has said That companies should not be required to build in backdoors to technologies Although that sort of sidesteps the issue because the FBI is saying it's not a backdoor So there's a little bit of of debate on that WhatsApp's jane cum is probably the strongest advocate. He said we must not allow this dangerous precedent to be said the white house Meanwhile has sort of come in on the side of the department of justice saying, you know as they would The department of justice being part of the white house saying it only wants access to a single phone It's just a one phone. Come on guys. Come on. Just one. I know I know Hey, listen Everything I need to know about troubling precedents. I learned from if you give a mouse a cookie I think that that paints an apocalyptic picture for the future Well, if you're wondering what happens next, uh, apple has not actually rejected this yet They've said they've rejected. They're going to reject it in a public note These are some of those facts that get muddled in coverage. Sometimes apple has a few days Probably sometime in the next few days, they will submit their brief to magistrate sherry pym And and as they have said they will say we don't think we should have to follow this This is the legal reasoning why we don't think we should have to follow this and then pym will make a ruling Based on apple's brief of whether she believes no, sorry apple You have to follow it or she could change her mind based on the arguments that may take weeks to months Once that happens, then there will be an appeal either way if apple changes pym's mind The fbi will appeal and vice versa And appeals can be made to the district judge in the ninth circuit court of appeals So it'll be 2017 before this gets resolved if that early Yeah, and and you know at that point you you kind of wonder whether or not Uh You know this is not something that could be solved another way by the fbi, you know that that it's it's only apple that can That can do this seems You know seems a little weird Well, and it will be very interesting to see if ios 10 Puts in some kind of user confirmation for firmware updates Yeah, at least as a user option, you know, maybe it's off by default, but it could it could be something you could turn on I mean that that 10 apple says six It's a six attempt limit on its website, but in the briefing that the fbi filed they say it's 10 Everybody says it's 10, but whatever that limit is that something you as a user have to turn on It's not on by default All right, uh, well, let us know what you think still keep that conversation going daily tech news show dot com Let's get to our pick of the day from ryan who full disclosure says he has a friend of his who worked on this app But it's called cake walk and puts a different spin on fitness gamification public shaming Have a daily steps goal and if you don't hit 50 of the goal It will force you into a 24 hour challenge and send you a mean public tweet If you fail again, it continues to taunt you on twitter. You can skip these challenges with an in-app purchase It's insidious says ryan, but he also loves it Yeah, yipes I know, uh, I don't know how I feel about this. It's got uh three stars So it seems like the universe doesn't know how they feel about it, but hey listen Well, hey, it should have three stars because like they ain't here to make friends, right? You know, right? No, absolutely not We're in gear so You know To be honest, you know, I I say yipes, but personal fitness is something that is so different to everybody You know, whatever gets you going is something that is worth it I am for every possible tool for people to you know, feel happy and healthy So I think if if this motivates you if if there is an element of public shame That makes you want to get in gear then uh, then that is great Well, send us your picks folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find more of these kinds of picks or different kinds of picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks A couple more messages before we get out of here. Uh, shila in georgia Regarding online trolling in communities So we were talking about with patrick beige earlier this week Said can we not approach this the way a teacher might when two students have what might be an inappropriate comment Listen, listen to her idea In in that case you ask the person who is the subject of the comment if that was cool Did the media ask the friend of steven fry before going off on his comment? There's a lot of self-responsibility needed here Unthoughtful maliciousness can be very easy to achieve not just on the person commenting But also on the person who is the topic. I've learned in the last few years to double check stories That might look like spam before reposting I think we all need to make a habit of double checking even in the face of the instant internet And yes, comics are the king's fool and we'll need some leeway to point out the ridiculousness of various topics like politics and etc um These are very very very high-minded Ideas and I think that they are right and I think that we can dream of a day Where this is uh, uh, what we uh, what we can look forward to if not in this world than the next Well, it's to me. I look at it as this is great guidance for you as a person who wants to be a better internet citizen It's a great individual comment of like hey before you defend someone find out if the person actually needs defending Uh, you know double check and make sure you understand the situation before you wade in that's great advice As policy, I'm not sure how far it gets us because not everybody's going to follow it Yeah, I think that that's right. It's something that you should Have embroidered on a nice little tea towel and and just hang it on your wall Someone embroider this on a tea towel. Please and send us a picture and then we can send one to Sheila. That'd be amazing Please uh Ron wrote in and said I was listening to the message of the day an episode at 26 91 When either jenny or scott can't remember who was asking who was teaching information evaluation skills Ron says your local librarians are one of the groups who are as part of our job We help patrons doing research find and evaluate information Recently the association of college and research libraries came out with a framework for the creation and evaluation of information in all formats The six broad frames are one Authority is constructed and contextual two information creation as a process Three information has value for research as inquiry five scholarship as conversation and six Searching as strategic exploration if you're interested in reading about the framework in more detail You can find it at the ala.org website and we've got the direct link in the show notes Librarians just the the the the salt of the earth. There's nothing they can't do or at least find out how to do Especially if they're research librarians or reference librarians Thank you ron appreciate that and check out that link folks an interesting read. I thank you justin robert young I know you're not feeling a hundred percent, but you definitely Could did not show it. It was an awesome show. Hey man, you know Sometimes you got to play hurt and uh, and then that's what I like to do here on on on dtns So, uh, thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much as always for having me What else you got going on twitter.com slash justin our young of course is where people can follow you and find out But you got anything to let folks know about absolutely coming up uh next monday. We're going to do a real big announcement about it but we are doing Our nationwide card caucus, you know, we went out personally to iowa and to new ham sure we had so much fun playing Uh games with people that we figured we'd want to bring that experience to all 50 states Uh, we are obviously not going to be able to be at all of them. However, uh in this election year Where people are so at odds, uh, there are a few ways where people can, uh, Really interact With passion about politics that doesn't end with a facebook muting This is going to be one of those ways. We hope to our goal is to have one public contender game In all 50 states we're looking for people who want to host them Uh, we'll have more information coming up on monday, but uh, check it out the contender Dot us if you've never heard of the game. 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Give us call 51259 daily It's 51259 32459 catch the show live monday through friday 4 30 p.m. Eastern alficic radio dot com and the diamond club dot tv And visit our website daily tech news show dot com back tomorrow with darin kitchen and len ferralta talk to you then This show is part of the broad pants network get more at frog pants dot com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this bro Good show, justin boom I dare say boom Good job, justin Uh, how about apple sees the error 53 if there ways That could imply they're giving into the fbi couldn't it? Well, that's true. Yeah federal bureau of iphone I mean we had one cord killing story. Is it really daily cord killers new show dvz gone? If you give the fbi a cookie. Well, how about execute error 53 Execute error 53 Give maybe that'll get another system I don't know. I don't know if it will Hungry hungry hippa. I mean, it's not the best show for that, but I love that headline. That's hilarious. Yeah Buggy whips can now be used with any horseless carriage I kind of like federal bureau of iphone to be honest Yeah, I like that one too. What was the what was it yesterday? Um What was it yesterday? Oh, please that was yesterday No yesterday was like now I need to remember Vr vr vro files vro files. Yeah, it wasn't even apple related Oh, wow Yeah, then definitely federal bureau of iphone Oh, oh federal F-e-d-r-e-a-l Yeah You need to call the general G-e-n-e-r-a-l Anti-disestablishment areas a n-t-i-d-i-s-e-s-t-a-b-l-i-s-h m-e-n-t-a-r-i-a-n-i-s-m Some things never die Justin do you want to go? Yeah, Justin you should go Go to bed. Yeah, go to bed. We're gonna watch you Yeah fever. I remember what this did to tom like go to bed. Please Thanks, man. I appreciate it That's Justin Is that tropa? Wait, did I have a stroke? Why? Because you were spelling anti-disestablishment because I was spelling Also, you were smelling toast Yeah, that's right Smell that toast Because it's all about that toast About that Um I'm a very good speller Unless it comes to things that are involved I before e and there I have a weird block And a weird block with the word rhythm I saved the pastries That was exciting Okay, tom's editing. So here's what I'm going to tell you guys For a couple hours longer Um, I did an awesome snapchat on the snapchat which was a mini Tell it anyway story Uh, and I did it in like six different snaps. So if you want to go to Just jenny j j u s t j e n n i e J you can check it out because I was pretty proud of it. I did something with snapchat. I haven't done before Um, I it was cool. You should check it out. Anyway, there I said it. I filled space I like your snapchat. Tell it anyway What I like your snapchat. Tell it anyway. Did you watch it? I did Oh I was like trying when I was with the dogs. I was trying a thing Snap it anyways. Yeah And I can actually pull it in a roll Pull in a roll Can you call it on a roll or do you have to call it a url? I feel like this is a very 80s 90s one I think either one is acceptable All right Oh, this is that part of the flow Hilarious Oh, so Nate Langston is going to give us little promos for text message. That is so cool. Yeah I always wanted someone to start up a like a Like an exchange for promos Can someone do that? Yeah, oh Yeah, you can do it Uh, somebody tried that at one point. I remember I can't remember what happened to it, but I love the idea of saying Because text message is so good. It's just really good. It's like I just want it to be day seven eight or nine or whatever Um, but of course it's Nate's I don't so I just want to I just want to draft off of it essentially and be like Hey, we've got Peter Wells with Australia take. We've got Nate Langston with the uk take Yeah, what take you want you want the take we got all the takes get all the takes And honestly, we don't you know, he doesn't have to make it a dTNS. It's still there for you to subscribe to Yeah Podcast exchange. Look at that. Ethan Kane comes up with the link for you That exists, huh? Everything exists. It's the internet Is somebody isn't somebody doing paintings of unicorns with William Shatner? Oh My gosh, you know what minutes speaking of William Shatner. He's going to be at the grove today Oh, yeah, I'm doing what? You know signing things shopping a book out about letter. He's at the Barnes and Noble. Yeah He was not The book is like my friendship with Leonard Nimoy, which I bet you a million dollars Leonard Nimoy was like, okay, you can publish this book, but only after I pass That's where I'm dead. You can publish this book when I'm dead and William was like, okay It's because it's out so fast Like to me that was like a conversation they had 20 years ago. Yeah I miss Leonard Nimoy I never talked to him that often. So It's the fact that we're not going to get any more Leonard Nimoy No more Spock Only Zachary Quinto Who does a fine job? It does Really does it's Nimoy approved We uh, we're getting more Alan Rickman though Oh, really? Yeah, what it's an animated thing that he's in he's voiced Something for now. I can't remember what it was Oh, uh Oh, it's not animated. Sorry. It's the Alice through the looking glass. Oh, right Well, I'm glad he's just heavily costumed. He's not actually animated Boom Shane has a twitter account of Uh, great bizarre paintings I don't know. I'm not seeing William Shatner with unicorns No, I'm just gonna google it I don't find Planet unicorn by William Shatner William Shatner spoken of William Shatner and a unicorn by William Shatner That'd be even extra awesome Yeah Well, there's William Shatner actually riding a horse with a unicorn thing on it. It's pretty good. It's pretty good I assume you're seeing the same googles. I am. Yep Images There's a person with a tattoo of a unicorn and underneath it says William Shatner Wow, are we are we unable to find an actual painting of this there's president obama riding a unicorn? Well, of course there is That's a photo. Yeah That's at the one of the fuma camps, right? I found it I found it chat room Chat room. I found it Let me go direct the link Boom It actually exists Nice done Done Told you I'm sad you had to find it yourself though Yeah That's all right There's a vomiting rainbow unicorn Just for kicks These pictures are so weird Google the wrong thing, man Gotta be careful Fungal nails, I think you're spam There's William young William Shatner wearing red leggings. Hello nurse Yeah All right, I am out of la post Okay Oh wait, what do I have to do? I don't know Gotta go find a unicorn. See you later folks