 Start recording. Wow, why can't I do this? So I would like to know that everybody's got. If you have any secrets that you don't want to share with the public, don't put it in this meeting. This is, we follow the, it's on the screen. Oh, stakeholder analysis. Yeah. Okay. So. Who would like to start this meeting? Go ahead. So I think it is even, you can start. So anyway, I think we are waiting for our speaker. Maybe he's not here. So then anyway, we can discuss in general and talk about what we can do. And it's a climate action perspective. Because the speaker is not joining so we can anyway. We can start the meeting after some time, but if anybody want to share something or doing something in the climate action, then the door is open. You can share something. I can just say on the alternative Tuesday in the same time slot, the standards working group is still active. So if you have an interest in, in standards and especially in the underlying ontology and vocabulary is related to these things, please join us on. Please join us on that call. Okay. Chris and you're talking about the standard working group. Right. Yes. Yes. Exactly. So that is that was the meeting of last week and you'll, you'll on that, on that side, you'll find the agenda and the link in that list. As you say, we've been going for a while. Okay. So, so if, if you're, if your interest are in the, in the, in the underlying, almost the conceptual structure of what anthropogenic impact accounting is and how to put that into practice, then please join us on that call. Okay. And a question. Can you also share some update what, what we are doing in the standard working group? Do we, maybe, maybe you can go, come is maybe you can go to the wiki to, to the standards working group wiki. Yes, working groups and then there's the wiki. And under that, there is, if, for example, if you go to that on the second one, ontology for, for anthropogenic impact accounting. So the, yeah, so basically we are, we are creating an ontology that's based on, you know, that's a formal representation of, of, of what, of the phenomenon that humans, that humans have an impact and that we account for that impact. And that's based on a series of classes and a series of actions. And we are refining this and it's, it's expressed in, in the L language, in, in the web ontology language, but you can, you can do it in, you know, there, we are not in the first place. We're not in first place concerned about the encoding because you should be able to encode this thing as a database structure as a namespace as a series of prototypes or, or in L. And basically then, yeah, so these, then here are our definitions. So last, you know, we, we really go through these things finally and, and try to have a really clean but strong underlying skeleton of what we're doing. If I can, if I, if I can explain maybe in one sentence, the underlying logic. You know, in math, when the Romans had the Roman numerals, when you have Roman numerals, you can represent normal numbers and you can, you know, you can, you can write, you can, you can do, you can get along. But it limits how easy it is to do math because, well, the, the, the number of characters per, per numeral difference. One is one, two is two, three, three, four is two again and five is one again. So when, when Arabic numbers came in, and they had a cleaner underlying system, where for every power of 10, there is one digit. It enabled arithmetic, it made arithmetic much easier. And, and that was an absolute quantum leap. It was the same thing and you could get along, but it was a more elegant representation. And that representation made a lot of things so much easier. And then someone came and said, why don't we put a dot. And on the other side of the dot, we just put, you know, also in powers of 10, but put the decimals and then a whole world opened up from there. And so what we're trying to do is, is not to represent these things in something that's akin to Roman numerals that it works more or less okay and you can get along that we find the simplest representation that helps us to, to represent these things in such a way that it really, that it really is really expressive and that you can, that you can go the furthest with that. So, that's the basic underlying philosophy. There's quite a bit of work to do. We've also, I'm going to try to find it, we've also placed for open, you know, enrolled for the mentorship. But we are now part of the unpaid for meant that we have a mentorship proposal there. So there is hopefully we'll get an intern and an accelerator work quite a bit. So, in a nutshell, in a nutshell that is what it is I think that if you want to read through the stuff the first and the second point is, is maybe the what you, what you should do. Yeah, and they, in fact, they, they, they, they, is the alpha, and there's a, there's a series of products as well. If you want to get into the stuff there it is. Okay, so, so I think maybe what we can do, we can always get this kind of update in at least our monthly call, right? Because we haven't even been one week, one by week is a presentation and maybe next time is some kind of update on the working groups. So that is good to hear. So another thing, are we someone working in this carbon accounting certification working group, someone from here. Because earlier side chain and I will get involved there. So anyone managing something here was just like Elizabeth share, I think people are using this, our deployed network for what I'm saying, a bit of background and yeah, thank you. So, this is, this is our work for here in the carbon accounting SIG. So I think if some, I think maybe do you know someone a question like who is working on this particular working group or is this ideal, ideal long-term. So maybe we can ask the in the community to remember maybe work on the group. So even we have a data repository, you can see what is the update. So I think there's no update in the group from last one month. So, so I think, I think what we can do we can revamp this particular group, or maybe we can ask Psi or the people who are leading earlier this one and let's say, are they interested to work on it or maybe we can find out new community people or the people who are working on the maintainers for the project. So, Elisa, do we have any thought around it? What is your thoughts? Because this particular project is a good technical repository we have done together, even though we use the cactus here, so it's good to know. We are using the cactus here for one of the implementation. So I think, yeah. So, so with Peter, actually, in the last year, we did a couple of mentors to project and we integrated the cactus here. So Peter mainly contributes to the carbon accounting application. Correct, at this point. I both had trouble hearing him. I'm on a cell phone, maybe that's why I don't have to turn that all the way. I'm struggling to. Could he say that again, please, about cacti? I think Takuma is saying right something or asking me. Okay, Takuma. Peter is one of the cacti maintainers. I mean, as you need to say it a lot louder, can you yell? Are you able to yell? What type? I can hear you. Last year, so Peter, he's one of the cacti maintainers. He collaborates the carbon accounting application in the cacti with your climate change group on the carbon, on the cacti sample code. So this carbon application code is still developed in cacti directory. Yeah, correct. So it is about what we're saying like in the last year mentors to project, we use cactus for the interoperability between the carbon accounting and the tokenization in particular this carbon accounting. So it is what I'm asking. So this particular, I think this lab is not active from last one month. And even this working group, I don't see any meetings is happening around it. So can we can we call for the community who would like to work on this thing or maybe adding the new use cases or at least maintain it. Or we should go check with PI about the maintainability of this particular working group of this lab. Yeah, hi, but how are you? Oh, hi. Hi, Thomas. Yeah. So, are you involved nowadays in the climate action group? The certification working group. Yeah, although we haven't been active on develop the development side. So I and I both been working on some things independently related. Is there an action item something that needs to be done. I'm thinking because like you're already working. Whatever the like, how we having the standard working group I call, we could have some work. Maybe we could decide monthly call to at least or maybe let's see because if you see there is no any update happening in the group here or maybe who is maintaining this thing who is fixing. So, can we ask for the developer in the community who can work on all these issues or what is your thought because there are many open items are there or maybe we don't having a month limiting or maybe we can define the new use cases right or maybe we can involve community along with us. Yeah, we can. We can definitely maybe put together a working document on for for maintainers and community engagement. We still have regular calls. They've been a little bit less regular and structured lately for the peer programming track. Under this working group. So, when I have a bit of time, it might not be until the end of this week. You know, I can think a little bit about that. Like I said, we're not active right now but I think what you're saying makes sense to maintain community engagement. I think what side are doing right now is sort of figuring out what's the next step, you know how to, you know how to transition this into a more practical use case. And once we've figured that out. There will definitely be more activity, but coordinating something in the meantime will be will be good. Did you have any, any recommendations or suggestions on for anything specific or you're just asking for us to do an update. Because I don't because earlier this group is quite active right with this working group and now it's not active so maybe, maybe we can reduce the frequency of the meeting but we should have something. And, or suppose, if he licking the manager, if he licking the resources is a community or maintainer or contributor then we can ask in the, ask contact help from the hyper ledger foundation like to maybe asking for the community or the people who can contribute or who can can actively participate in this, this working group. Or maybe coming up with a new use cases like how we were doing earlier. Because this is the most I even I think, when I was active in that technical system committee last year we were thinking to create this is a property, proper project. And for that we need a reaction around it. Yeah, no I recall. I don't know what. So, Sherwood was talking a bit about that with the community maintainers. I never received any information back. I can follow up. I don't think Sherwood's on the call. I can follow up, follow up with him and see, see where that's at. Yeah. Yeah, I think for me. Just just a second, I was with just one last point just for me, I think right now. I'm trying to figure out how the work that we've been doing under this working group and specifically the open source project can sort of be fit and we've been working on fitting or piecing it together with some other mainstream projects. I like the presentation we had from Hedera guardian guys, and a couple other projects so that might be an avenue to explore sort of cross project collaboration that might help structure, you know, sort of future development. I'll think a bit about that. Yeah, I'll get and I'll get back to you okay. Thanks for raising. Sorry. Yeah, in the chat. I was just asking if we could use the offset dealer account for health data tokens, as well as our carbon credits that we're selling as offsets to the emitters who I guess what you do is when you have an emitter token that you issue to an emitter. You can give them a list of carbon credits that they could purchase to offset their emissions. I'd like to see that happen. I'd like to see that being as it tried out as a demonstration of how it works, and a video of how of how that might work. So, an actual mentorship next year where people are actually contacting, you know, using this to using this to actually transfer health data tokens and carbon credits and carbon offsets to the emitters and others interested. What's the purpose of the health. Okay, there you go. What's the purpose of the health data token again. Sorry. Because I know there are health health platform is like that specific to that what's what's the not fully understanding connection. Because there actually is a connection. I have a video about it. Is there point zeros are two to six extra deaths per ton of carbon emitted. So if a person lives to be 79 years old, the amount of emissions that they've that they've emitted in the United States on average, has caused one excess death. So the, we could actually do an equation between excess deaths and carbon emissions, and then charge, you know, maybe charge the companies who are emitting for a use case charge them for the deaths, as well as a medical, you know, then people with their concerns could prove that they have health care before and after being exposed to the pollution in an environment and then we would have a polluter payer app, or a perpetrator payer app where the person who actually caused the health care damage would be the person emitting or the individual who actually has to pay for it. And that would that would be a great way to disincentive buys emissions, a great way to incentivize people stopping emitting. If they find out that even if they just find out that they're causing the death, and if they have to pay for the health damages over. Yeah, that's, that's really interesting idea. It's a little it sounds a little scary to me though. But it's interesting. The use case you talked about trading carbon tokens that's pretty, pretty easy and a demo video for that should be pretty easy. I think what would be interesting is, you know, a sandbox environment assigning people roles for issuing credits, you know, mock as if they were mock emitting a, like a credit issuer, like a carbon offset issuer, and then enabling them to trade it, just so people can get a feel for how it functions in the web three space you know using the functionality of the wallet of their wallets and so So we can talk, we can look into that I mean that if that would be useful for the community. The health care stuff and emissions, causing deaths. I'm not really sure about that. Because it's, yeah, it's a little bit scary idea. That's our, that's our serious issues. There are a lot of causes for death. Yeah. Yeah, I think I'll just leave it at that. I don't know how much more I can address it. Was there anything else on the call schedule for the college. Yeah, no, no, I think so anybody has any other thoughts. Okay. Any new one to join first time. Can introduce. Otherwise, we can report because today's presented. Not join the call. We do. Bertrand is just joined. Could you please bring us up to date. Do it. Is there a schedule call today. Yeah, so today is a different call schedule by said that, but he didn't join. Yeah, you haven't heard from him. Sorry, sorry. You haven't heard from it. Did he confirm that he's present. Yeah, so he didn't join. So we had a call. So it didn't come up. So this is a presentation today, but he didn't join. So anyway, we didn't have any agenda to discuss. Oh, this is Sid Darth. Okay. Yeah, no, I had been in touch. I haven't heard from him. Okay. Yeah, that's, that's a good, I didn't realize that it was scheduled for today. Sorry, I've been. Been really preoccupied with two other projects. Yeah, I know Sherwood had scheduled that with him. Let me. Let me check with them right now just to see what's going on. I can message him online. He's supposed to join today present. When was the last time you spoke to him? Don't know. So it would actually talk to him. Sorry, I sure would have scheduled him to present. It's just for background for people. So Darth is a PhD student in the UK. Yeah, who's working on that. Yeah, sort of state as a presentation. That will suggest the stakeholder analysis. So if he didn't join, then we can wrap up today. Yeah, maybe we'll just wrap up if he's not here because I'm not sure. Sorry about that, guys. I wasn't aware of that. Okay, so no reason we can invite him next time. So maybe I will talk to David and say good about the revamping or maybe how to get involved or maybe ask for the new volunteers or people or maybe new ideas for the carbon accounting and certain group because making it active is important because it is the most active working group and even this carbon accounting lab is going to be main project because the TSC is considering to work that way. So yeah, so there's one thing to mention on that. And I'm going to explore that. So we sure wouldn't I attended the open source summit in Vancouver at the beginning of the month. And I had a quick interaction with, I think it's Dan Brown from the Linux LF energy or LFX energy. They have a track on carbon accounting standards. And it's outside of the hyper ledger group and blockchain side. But I've been trying, I've been looking to engage with them and that may be a way to sort of formalize or structure community engagement because it's sort of sister to hyper ledger right under the Linux foundation. So if you do talk to David, maybe raise that and see if he has any thoughts on that. But I will be reaching out to Dan Brown from the LFX energy on my own as well to just just to let him know. So just for people on the call if they're interested the initiative I'm referring to, and I'll just share before we have the call just so we could share something maybe useful for the group. I'll share a link. And when you contact him, will you please invite him to the climate accounting standards working group? Yeah. Yeah, I think that would be, that would be good. I'm not sure if he's engaged in the community yet. That would be great. Where is this? Yeah, okay. So thanks for the score. Kamlesh, are you the person who's going to create a meeting notes page and enter the notes into the wiki or this group? Yeah, so I do and said would do. So this is done by several. So he must be communicating even he told me today he is going to present, but I don't know why he didn't join. So when I would mention me. He is going to join. And are you able to copy from the chat? Yeah, I'm not. No, no, I think anyone can copy right is not like that. Anyone can copy just need to have a Linux foundation ID. Then you can do it. So there's no any restriction around it. Are you, are you able to use the analytics robot who's here taking notes? I'm not. Okay. Does that bot provide enough notes that you could actually copy those notes and paste them into your wiki? Yeah, I think I can copy right. Yeah, I can copy here. Yeah, it's copied. And you can edit the page, right? You have the added access here. You can edit it. So anyway, yeah. So thank you for to respond. We will connect next time. Wait, wait, wait, we don't close the meeting. Wait, I'm the host. I'm not going to close the meeting until everybody's had a chance to go through the chat and the outcome of the links. Yeah, okay. Yeah, the link I shared, it's just from the LFX energy. It's the carbon data specifications. So it's, it's meant for interoperability of energy data sources used to calculate emissions data. I think, yeah, I specifically to the energy sector, but maybe of interest to the standards group. So you want to do what you may with that. I will check back with Sherwood and Sid Arth and see what happened. And if this slot's open for two weeks from now, we'll schedule that. All right. While you edit Bill Tom, will you please ask him another favor? Will you ask him to please put this particular red page that you've linked us to into compliance with California internet privacy law that requires that you have options for do not track and do not sell my information because it is out of compliance. GDPR. Well, it could be your PR as well, right? Yeah, I'm not sure. California standards here. Okay, I will, I will, I will mention that to Mark. Sorry to Dan. Okay. Yeah, we'll do. Thanks, Elizabeth. Yes, thank you. All right. Well, I guess have a great week everyone. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You too. Did I arrive too late? I guess Elizabeth. Well, yeah. I hope this isn't Sid Arth because everybody's been waiting for Sid Arth this whole time. And I just, I'm leaving the chat open so that people can. Can. Oh, see the chat was a chat has a lot of. Links in it. And I'm going through trying to. See what's going on. So I'm just going to go through some of the links and find out what they're talking about. We have fireflies and read AI, both taking notes here. And I don't know why, but I think maybe there's a competition to see which one they should keep and which one they should do away with. But basically today, I asked a whole bunch of people asked for more. Features in the. And actually one of the, the maintainers showed up at the end of it. And told us that he will. Get back to. Do, do this. What's great. We're being recorded. Still. So he's told us about Dan Brown. I just found some information about him. And actually is in linked in. He's. He's a Linux foundation. So that's the. Where the hyper hyper ledger foundation was spun off from that. Because the Linux kernel. Is a Linux operating system. Which is completely different from the hyper ledger distributed. Ledger technology. It's web two versus web three. So. That's why they had to, I believe that's why they had to spin it off. And. And I could. One of the things that I'm doing is I'm asking if people would. Do this. Test. The network that they would see they reproduced this group over the past two years has produced. A product that will actually work. And I've tried it out a couple of people tried it out. When I'm asking more people to try it out, including you, you have to have a wallet, maybe a metamask wallet. I'm not sure I do have a metamask wallet. So it worked for me. But let me put a copy of that into the chat so you could see. So you can go. Metamask. Okay. So then right here. I'm going to show you a video on how to do it. And then there's a link under the video where you can go and actually try it for yourself. And I use your metamask wallet to register. And then try to use it to, to. Try to get an offset account offset. Dealer accounts. You can become an offset dealer. And you can trade your own carbon credits. And trust. And this is an open source projects. That means anybody in the world can look at the actual source code. And see what they're getting into. And there's, so there's nothing hidden. There's nothing concealed. There's no, they don't have to hire an attorney. All they have to do is just read the code for themselves. And they'll know exactly what they're buying. And then they'll know exactly how they're going to get it. And they'll know exactly what they can rely upon. And they'll be able to trust you as the offset dealer. To it. And it completely transparent fashion, providing your carbon credits to them so they can offset their emissions. And they already have, they already have this huge database full of emit major emitters like Chevron. And they, they track how much they are emitting. How much methane, how much carbon. How much oxygen. But do they buy? That's the question. The question is they admit, but do they buy? Do they do the offset? Right. So here's the thing. And do they buy at the scientifically proven true cost price? Okay. That's, that's where I step in and I'm, I haven't been able to sell anything because, you know, the market's so. Destructive of the environment right now. So what's going on with this Chevron. Is that we can issue the, or we can hire an issuer or they can hire an issue. So we can, and the issuer can actually issue a carbon emissions token for their emissions. So now we have on the ledger, we have how much carbon credit are carving credit tokens and their carbon emissions tokens. And all they have to do is say, oh, sure, we'll swap. And then they, they use their public key. They use our public key and automatically. Instantly. The swap is made. So you need for them to come on and use their private key. We've already done all the work for them. We've created their emissions tokens. So they know exactly how much emissions they need to offset. Mm hmm. Cause. That the equity credits. Of the hundred million. There's 25 million that are tokenized. On the, on the. I believe it's a theorem, but I'm, but I'm not. 100% sure which. Blockchain they are on. I can find that out. Is the governor, the issuer of those carbon credits? So. It's the CDS a. It is the equity. Certifier of, of. Social development. It's the certifier of social development. And the environmental development in. It says translated from Spanish. Yeah, yeah, that's the Portuguese. Yeah, that's the translation. Okay. And so that's, that's a corporate body. That's not an individual. So it doesn't meet my standards. Yeah, it's a government. Governmental. They created it. Specifically to manage the carbon credits of the state. The governor. Put that into implemented that into law. Yes. Okay. So it's a legal body. That is just as legal as Chevron, for example. And so it could do that swap. Correct. Okay. So if you find out what chain, if they're already minted, if they're already on chain. Find a chain on. If they aren't, you could find out where they're pinned. If they're pinned anywhere. Like it, you know, an open seer where you can pin it. Somewhere and then. Ask the person. Who needs the offset to. Mint it. You know, I'm not sure if that's actually the issue where it's so that who's paying for the gas fees for it to be minted on Ethereum, for example, would that be the. The government, you know, is the governor going to dish out of his own pocket money for gas fees, which could run into millions of dollars. Or is Chevron going to have to fork that over. If it's on Ethereum, it might be very expensive. But if it's on Ethereum, it's exact. Well, 25 million token eyes. The transfer of those credits would be. We could would be expensive on some chains and would be free on others. I've heard, but I haven't tried them out. Someone who joined today said. Linaya Nelson. Is one of the ecosystem. Maintainers, I think she is for the Linux foundation. She's been working for cohorts a couple of days Friday. He was. Asking them to attend this meeting. And she says. She's happy to engage. See where she fits in. Her background in the energy space. And. She can send this group into some big energy corporations. Such as Orsted. And others looking to tackle generating standards. And it's happy to help with outreach marketing and content. So she'd be like the person who could. Do this deal. Broker this deal between. Acre and Chevron. For example. To explore possibilities in insurance space to. To grow this thing, but there's already an insurance group on hyper ledger. It's a separate group. So here's a, one of the big energy corpse. That is trying to offset their emissions. I have the link right here that she gave to me. I'll put it in the chat so you can see. So this could be a customer. I'm saying for you. Did you get the link in the chat? You have to click on do not sell my information, my personal information. And then you have to go to the button and turn the button off. And confirm my choices. So that they don't sell your personal information. Oh, yes. Fortune 500 energy leader. I mean, champion championing a sustainable future through smart green solutions. So I guess. Trading carbon credits might be one of those because. What you can't do me. I mean, they're, they're individuals who are so disabled. They cannot. Offset their own emissions. And they have to be able to. Buy offsets to offset their emissions. Yesterday set me a list of the largest polluters. So now I'm trying to find it. Oh. Yeah, that would be interesting. 771,000 individuals are responsible for 48% of the world's pollution. So I'd like to get a list of those individuals. We need to put them into this. I imagine they're all billionaires, right? Flying around private jets. No. I don't know. 771 million. Seven inches of any 1,000 billionaires. Oh, that many. No, no, no. Yeah, there's all. I didn't know they were that many. I thought it was 771. Yeah. These are individuals that I got this from a book by Mark Dunley. He's the head of the eco action. Committee at the Green Party of the United States. And he wrote a book on it. I've been asking him for that list, but it is not forthcoming. I'm not sure if anybody actually knows their names. Seven is 771,000. So. Because there's 60 million. Under 60 million millionaires in the world. So I guess it could all be millionaires at least. Right, right. So that's another, that's an idea that we need to add to. Maybe I'll add this to the meeting notes for today. Is that we are looking for a list to add this list. To the, so we have a list right now, Chevron. You know, Exxon. All we have a list of the major polluters that who are energy producers. So next we would have a list of all of the major polluters who are individuals. And then we could then we could implement my standard that's based upon individuals. And as well as the corporate standard. Paste into the chat. Here's my reference. Nope, I'm wrong. 771 million individuals responsible for 48% of global CO2 emissions. And that's not in the thousands, it's in the millions. That seems very hard. Yeah, we'll look at this in the bottom 50% or 3.8 billion individuals. Responsible for 12%. So you know what I think they're doing, I think that what they, what they're doing when they come up with this list. Is there, they're, they're talking about just their scope one emissions, just their personal emissions. They're not talking about the emissions that are caused by the decisions they make for the corporations they own. Yeah. The corporation pays for the jet. For the jet that it's not included. As an individual. Right. Because it belongs to the corporation. So it's the corporation's emission, even though it's the CEO who's flying in it. Yeah, that we need to know that. So who's scope one emissions is that. And if. If it's the individual scope one emissions. Great. But if it's corporation scope one emissions. Then that needs to be attributed to all of the employees. For the corporation who use that jet. Or all the employees who help pay for it. Or all the employees who are getting funding. Or all the employees who are getting funding. Or all the employees who help pay for it. Or all the employees who are getting funding. From the use of that jet. See, there are so many different ways to. And for an accountant to go through this. And that's one of the challenges for this, this group, this climate accounting. Group. So this is one list from 2019. Of the top 20. Companies. That issue. That issue. Emitters. Oh, nice. It's in Portuguese, but you know, the company. China. India. Royal Dutch shell in Africa. Oh, no, Holland. I thought. I thought. Royal Dutch shell had it. Operations in Africa. At the Delta Niger Delta. You're saying, you know, where's the United States in this? Abu Dhabi Emirates. Who ate petroleum. Iraq national oil. Total SA in France. They're. Angelia son a track. Where's Angel. Angelia. Um, our, our, our, our, our, uh, Algeria. Wow. BHP. Is it Australia? Yeah. I'm not looking at it. Yes. Correct. Yeah. Algeria. Algiers. That's Algiers, right? Is that the same country? Well, Algeria is, is, uh, the capital is Algiers. Of Algeria. Another. Energy death numbers. Oh, this is a cool, um, our world and data. I love these graphics. Um, there's so much fun. So I'll put this in the chat as well. It's one of the things that I was mentioning why we need the individual standards individuals don't understand. That the average Americans, United States citizen. Um, if they live to be 79 years old, their average emissions have killed one person just, you know, cause one excess death. And if you click on this, hopefully it still works. This link. Oh, well, here we go. I've seen policy. I guess you, you're not allowed to, I want to manage my preferences and. And then that's, oh, here we go. Necessary cookies and analytic cookies. That's all they have. They don't have any other kinds of cookies. Okay. So, um, summary, all energy sources have negative effects. But some of them cause death. Death rate from accidents and air pollution. Cole is the number one. Dealer of death. Then oil, then natural, then biomass and natural gas. You see, um, What are the cleanest sources of energy? Yeah, I just got confirmation. It is, uh, Ethereum. Okay. Ethereum. Thank you. So somebody's paying enormous gas fees. Um, probably for, uh, for transferring those carbon offsets. And that we, we should find out who that is because. If, if that is the taxpayer. Of Akari. Then you've, you've got a case on your hands. For the gas fees. Yeah. Maybe that's why they only tokenize. 25% of them. Right. Maybe so that's all they could afford with all the taxpayer money they could loot. Yeah. But it was, uh, Another company that. Did the tokenization for them. It wasn't. Uh, The state of Akari. That, uh, That tokenized it. It was a private company. Okay. So maybe the private company had investors to that. Okay. So I'm putting on the screen share here. Death rate. Here you go. Death rate from accidents and air pollution. Where are the accidents? Well, maybe it's all an accident. It was accidental that we came that we decided to use this. Not the energy. This is a type of energy instead of. Bicycles. Uh, I know where I saw the T. It was on my LinkedIn today. Somebody posted. All the different, you know, Investments by the energy companies. And the, and the profits. wind and, and oil, like everything else was, I'm going to find that. Death rate from air pollution from coal. And the Chinese are still using coal in their Hibachi's to cook their dinner every day. And the United States, of course, it's only used on, as far as I know, on holidays, like Memorial Day. In the course of July, the people barbecue and they use coal briquettes and pollute the air that way. So I guess if you bought coal briquettes in the store, then the cash register would automatically send that emissions information to blockchain to put it on your ledger for your emissions, even though you may not burn that coal. I mean, there may be no other way to show who burned the coal. So if you purchase that coal for somebody else, for somebody's party, you bring it to a party and everybody gets to eat whatever get grilled. You're still since you purchased the coal, it's still your emissions. Because there's no other way to, you know, there's no way to automatically put it on blockchain. That's what I know of from the cash register to the blockchain. One easy swoop, all you got to do is enter your private key. You can do that using your, your handprint or your thumb print or iris or whatever you want at the cash register, as long as you've given your consent to head of time in a document that could be like one of those. Documents. And you might have to do that at one day in order to become an offset dealer. Because they might want to track you and make sure that you've offset all your own emissions before you can issue offsets for somebody else. That's science fiction. I haven't owned a car since 2013. I walk and bike most places. When it fit have to go far away. I will fly but I use. I definitely my carbon footprint is low. So there are many different types of charcoal. So the whole very polluting charcoal is what's taken out of the ground, and it's full of sulfur and heavy metals and whatnot. And the stuff that is used for barbecue. In most places doesn't have that. In the United States it's very common that they add like lighter fluid to the charcoal. And to me, this is disgusting because the food tastes like you know, like if you poured gasoline on, you know, I don't I don't know how people use that stuff. So here it's, it's usually made from pine or eucalyptus. So it's, it's cleaner than that, than that charcoal and then the coconut charcoal is is very clean. It doesn't smoke and doesn't ash. So there is a difference between, you know, good charcoal and bad charcoal, even though they all do emissions. Okay, going through my link that it was here early in the morning. I was like, oh man, I don't know why I didn't save it. Oh, I know I save, I must have 100 saved. Well, and I got back to me already so I just told her that the deadline is tomorrow to ask for funding. Helen was at the meeting remember yesterday so I just I sent all that yesterday to who I thought were the higher ups all the higher ups that I have access to. You know, I mean maybe I could go on my LF Linux foundation wiki page and I tried looking up Erica beer bower and for some reason she's not listed. They're like, it looks like thousands of people listed at the Linux foundation and with their emails listed right there but Erica beer bower is not on that list. Aldi and Donnelly from it was, she was the co founder at nori accepted the my LinkedIn. Oh nice. Let's see if we get response from her. Wow that is so nice. She's a co founder. Nice. I am. I heard saw a talk at Duke University. It was being given by a male co founder. So, I correct. So, so that is Ross probably Kenyan from nori. It's him and her. Emails back from David Boswell. He's sort of one of the people who helps run hyper ledger. And he said that, that he can write a letter of support but not a letter of intent. Right, he has some authority. Now, it. See, it could be that Benny world remember on a suya she was on that call yesterday. It could be that her company can. I actually sent her everything yesterday all. I went through all of the questions that you have to answer for the letter of intent and I provided answers to all of them except for who's going to be the administrator of the project. Because I have to be somebody with the authority to enter the portal as far as I know. So, I got an email back from her today saying she's going to consider being the company that actually does that administrative role. And in that case then hyper ledger then David Boswell could write a letter of support for her. And that would be useful because Benny world is, I think it's a startup rate. I don't have. I know they don't have, what's it called kitchen table recognition what do they call that one, you know, name recognition. But Corey was saying that they, they prefer to work with companies that have name recognition. And so hyper letter does so if they give a letter of support it might help any world. Right. Oh, here you go. David Boswell sent me an email saying that she's sending part of my email copying part is copying. Harbin copying. Oh, hyper ledger foundation is not set up to do this to receive funding and also apply for funding. He says okay. In case it looks like you're wanting the hyper ledger foundation to pay stipends receive money and also apply for additional funding. The hyper ledger foundation is not set up to do any of these things but who who's paying the stipends and if it isn't the hyper ledger foundation. Right. Maybe the Linux foundation, the parent foundation. Perhaps. Oh, so who did he send this to a click on reply all he sent it to nobody. He just sent a plus one. He didn't send it to anybody. He just copied it, copied it and pasted it, and then sent it back to us. I see so what he's doing he starting a letter he's starting an email. It's a call read to show that he responded. So it's going to be up to Benny world then. I guess they haven't yet. Oh, but they're located in India. I don't know if you can. I have to be in the United States. Do you have a United States employee identification number. I just have a social security. No. Yeah, so. I don't have one I haven't applied for one I'm not, I'm not even sure if I want to incorporate California or Delaware or where. If I won't even play that corporate game. I've done it before and it's tough because you have to have an attorney. No, I mean, you do. Yeah, you do. But so the most inexpensive state to incorporate in is Wyoming. The yearly renewal fees are the lowest and there is zero corporate income tax in Wyoming. What I'm saying is every corporation has to have an attorney to represent it in court. So you have to get the attorney ahead of time because if you're slammed with a lawsuit on day one. You have to already have. You can't. Yeah, they can't sue you on the day one, but um, so there are a bunch of sites that you pay like like 5600 bucks and there's a $99 fee that and they're all attorney offices, you know, if you Google Wyoming Corporation. And they'll be your registered agent. I set up a company. Your attorney. Yeah, yeah, not your attorney registered agent is not an attorney it's it's just anyone can be a registered agent if you have a Yes, but they are attorney. But what I'm saying is they are usually they are attorneys. Is there a state in the United States where you can actually represent your own corporation in court. Well, anybody can represent themselves. Yeah, you know you can't represent your corporation in in most and all the states I know about. Maybe there's a state where you go to court and represent your corporation. You, I'm almost 100% positive that you are able to do it. Yeah, yeah, I know I'm able but am I legally permitted. Yes, yes you are. No, the courts do not permit the CEO of the corporation to represent the corporation in the states that I know about the sea. Okay, but you're talking about corporate. Okay, so all of you are the owner, maybe you couldn't be the CEO you'd have to be like the president or the secretary or something like that. As far as I know you have to be a an attorney licensed in the state to represent a corporation in the state. If you're not, then you can't represent a corporation anyone's corporation. So you can't represent your own corporation because you're not a licensed attorney. I don't know the law I mean in some states I don't know if it's all the states. Yeah, I think that sounds like a state when you can do it without hiring an attorney owner. Yeah, you can do it. You definitely can do it. I'd like to know what state you could do that in. Because I don't know of any and because if you, I mean basically would be, you know why would a corporation hire a non attorney to represent it, you know, well you wouldn't hire you're the, you're the owner. Well now okay it's, you could I mean, it's possible that you could ask the court for a, what's it called an exclusion to be excluded. There is no legal requirement to retain a lawyer and incorporated company. Where does it say that. I got Google, can you, I googled can you open a corporation without an attorney. Oh you can open and close a corporation without an attorney and do whatever you want, except represented in court. Okay, can a corporation. Can you take this offline. I want to stop recording. So the don't have to because the end of the end of the meeting. Sure. So, I'll meet you somewhere else and I'm going to end the meeting. All right. Clubhouse. Okay, very cool. Thanks for the link. I got that last link. Okay, so if you go to court, then you will need an attorney. Got it. Okay, I'm going to end the meeting now. And thank you very much for joining us. All right. Thank you.