 We can do all those things. So what I like to do is you just start the camera recording Just relax get into the hole The camera does pick up over there Okay, so that is a no way I'm looking so if you want to know where to look other look there or you can just look at yourself I don't know. It's easiest that way. I don't know whatever that all things now Also, one thing is I do normally stuff up the intro like a lot So I normally record my intro is like 10 20 What is the intro? The intro is just normally like hey, I'm in Jay Like 20 times so I like sometimes do that 20 times and then once I find I get the recording back the intro done the rest just follows through so This would actually make a cool intro with this make it cool Just to keep this intro because I'm thinking of calling because you know you need to have a good title People don't click on each other the title. Yeah, so I'm thinking of calling this, you know I'll interview with Yuri top student who wants to leave a tutorial science not not top But pretty one of the top. Yeah, okay. That's one of the top one of the top So that's that's the big question, but we don't open with that question We we of course we first start with some smaller questions that people wait for that Yeah, okay, so so we start with I guess y'all we can use this as the intro So we can go straight into the nice little question, which I'm sure you've been asked a lot and that is why did you study? Actual science, okay so why I studied actual science is so when I was at school was kind of very bored with everything and It was mainly okay I don't want to seem narcissistic But it was because it's quite easy like I'm sure a lot of students who end up studying actual science would feel that at school It's like Everything is just come and go and you just sit and do your thing But everyone was telling me like actual science and be really tough and I was I was actually up for that challenge I just wanted to see and experience what it's all about Okay, everyone was talking about yeah, because they normally say that there's three reasons why I'm mostly to study It's your science. Yeah, other for the money other because the biggest one. Yeah, the money They call it the three ms. It's it's money my uncle is like some family member Study the actual science and therefore is told to you or because you're good at maths Like it's one of those three things that people get told hey Have you heard of actual science? Yeah, and then I mean because when you heard of actual science originally Like at school. Did you actually know what it was gonna be about? Not Not a clue no idea. I didn't like the only thing I heard was with the math thing Yeah, that's it and like Yeah, and then you just took it from there I know I remember someone telling me like it's super super difficult and I was like, you know I'm up for the challenge but then having nightmares like I have nightmares going into bits being like I'm gonna study something They're gonna say stuff and I'm not gonna understand it at all and I'm gonna I'm gonna look like a lot of things Did you ever have those moments? I didn't have the nightmares going in But let's say after like a week or two I just felt like everyone was way more intelligent than me and it started like building up this like kind of fear thing But at least like I like sat down relaxed and like started working harder instead of like a lot of people What they do is they get that type of fear and then they just give up Yes, where you need to keep going you need to push I don't know actual science for me was a bit like that show survivor It was like, you know, you start of this big group. Everyone's happy, but once a week someone leaves Like and it's like a domino thing one person leaves and then everyone's like well I also want to leave us and you always like the thing is it's quite noticeable Yeah, I mean someone just disappears, but they won't they never say anything. Yeah, it's just gone You go you go to question like where's Carlos? What happened to call it guys? Is he sick? He hasn't been here for a whole week. Just now you're on like a break in the cafeteria All these accounting friends, and he's like hey guys are so much better And and all that type of stuff Thursday Joel's a tin roof Yeah, because I mean this this is the thing I did I did stalk your Facebook profile before you came on to get it Get a feel get a feel for for you And the one thing I did notice is that you like to party a lot. Okay? I saw I don't know if this is just because all the new years and the whole December thing Yeah, but I see you like to get out I do I do while you're studying at true science. Did you have time for that? No, not really, but it depends like you can make time for it if you really want to but When you're studying there, it's like it's very intensive you like mostly work on the weekends But like what we did is my friends and I would just meet up. They say every Friday have some drinks or something It's not like a party party, and then I think we kind of just fade it into that So now I like to go out, but I don't like to party. I like to just have a beer with a friend or like just relax Yes, yeah, okay So you went like some of the students who are like hitting the clubs Monday Tuesday Wednesday night until 2 in the morning They're writing the exam of Thursday. No, I've got I've got them completely over clubs I don't that's if I go anywhere. I'll go to a bar Okay, I'm done because I mean you didn't wallet it. Sure. So I mean I was looking also on Facebook 86.17% yeah, I mean that's it wasn't not the highest mark did someone get higher than that So there are a few students that are better than me. I'm not sure if they Taking their degree now carrying on and doing the honors So it might have been the highest mark out of those is taking they'd be calm and changing Okay, yeah, but there are a few students that I can think of that are a bit better than me Okay, cool because this is the thing at UCT. It is it's a four-year undergrad and then it's a Additional fifth year as honest. No, it's three year undergrad three year for the four year for the honest Okay, that's the same thing is as well So you've done three years now after three years done three years and then of all of those things that you're doing What did you find is to be the hardest? Like what was what did you look at and you're like? Oh my gosh? This is insane. Are we talking content wise or writing exams? Any any part of the actual science degree like what what did you find to be the most challenging? in terms of contents either it's a math sense stats would Kill in terms of difficulty, but the exams are reasonable. Mm-hmm most of the time. Sometimes it can be quite I don't know quite challenging quite different But it's and then the actual outside courses the content is not difficult. Mm-hmm, but those exams are dead Straight up from a second to the end. There's people popping panic pulls is crying. There's and then afterwards. Yeah, it's It's like a disaster like hurricane comes in swoops takes out everything in its path Even the top students like everyone is just after that exam or test. This is no Did you do you ever fail an exam? No, you never fail. I never fail. I never I failed like touch this. That's about it I didn't fail a test nothing yet. So you didn't fail like a whole subject. You just flippin Yeah, so you could have gone up more. Yeah, I could maybe wasted a slight bit of time But um, yeah, like I wanted to do really well. So that was my end goal not Yeah, I didn't need to go out anymore. So and now now some for the big question or the whole reason why Oh, yeah, the title of the video. Okay. Okay, and that is Why because you're doing so well. Are you leaving actuarial science? So I saw yesterday actually your joke video on or actually a few of your videos where you talk actually The actuarial science has haters video. Oh, yeah, okay Where you spoke about like it's just not for someone but Normally that refers to someone like who? Fails or does badly and then they decide to leave and they always say that But even though I did well like I actually do think actual science just isn't for me And like I think I like I wanted to finish my degree at least and then move on to what I actually want to do I'm still planning to work kind of in the industry, but maybe not as an actuary. Maybe I can't state of finance Okay, but I want to go more into the intense of side of it So what I'm planning to do is do a mathematics on us pure maths learn like All the the maths behind everything and then after that maybe do a M for in mathematical finance Mm-hmm, and then yeah, so I want to so the reason I want to learn the maths behind it Is because when I go into the industry I kind of want to have the option to if I get an idea be able to implement something new Yeah, because like I don't know I want to live more of an intense of lifestyle I guess okay something more interesting not the standard. Okay. This is what we're doing type thing Yeah, and and you don't think they'd like by studying actual science to completion because at the stage you're at You've still got have you done see a one? I don't know the codes see a one is actual risk management. No did not do that Did not do that one that's next to this one because that one what is what makes that one interesting is They talk a lot about regulation and I know regulation sounds boring It's the rules people are quite after learners and a lot of the documents are convoluted But what it does is if you understand the regulations very well along with the mathematics Not that you can pick up loopholes, but you can maybe create a product That's more efficient than anybody else because this is the one thing is that You could be like incredibly good at maths do this amazing product and then the regulators like Oh, we know that we don't allow that Yeah, we don't allow that and then it's like but why don't you allow that and and the one chunk of actual science that I think a Lot of people don't like enjoy or appreciate is Building on the judgment or the understanding of where these regulations come from but I know it's not a popular subject Because it's not mathematical. Yeah, but it's fine like thing is I'm still a team player So I'll still work with other people who know the regulations or whatever But I was just thinking so I know actual science Has border fields or whatever. Mm-hmm, but what I want to do is I want to go more the mathematics roots like the more the say asset pricing or Trading like you can't do that through outside, but I want to do The maths behind it, I don't I'm not here for let's say to make a lot of money I just want to have like I want to have fun doing what I do and I Didn't really I didn't like maths when I came into Vossie like I was good at it Mm-hmm, like not liking is maybe a wrong statement like I didn't enjoy it Okay, I was good at it and like I like that. I was good at it. That's about it and then Adversity like the challenge was there It was real and then actually like I just like fall in love with Matt Like just pure mathematics and it's like it's a whole different concept to everything else like actual science is like more Manipulation of things you already know Where's pure maths is it's that mind-boggling thing when you look at something that's obviously true, but it's false and and then working with those things and Seeing why it's actually the other way around and then it becomes obvious that it's false. Yes Yeah, it's just it's like magic in some sense. Did you guys do like basic analysis? Yes, that subject We did it in second year. I did not understand that Like did you get your head around that? Yes. Yes, that's why I went so like when I did my degree I did 30 a maths on top of it like as an extra major and Then you take that basic analysis and you go into real analysis like not real analysis is an RA but like Analysis metric spaces topics and analysis working with convergence in different spaces listening I because we had basic analysis and we had advanced analysis advanced analysis was very easy for me to understand I've got it. That was cool, but basic analysis those proofs. I was like that's that's where I'm at I like those to me it was like this is this is another language like white It is another language And that's what I wrap your head around that I like the more the financial economic subjects of actual science Just because I can make sense, you know, you know, like I mean the moment generating function Okay, that's the thing is statistics. Yeah, to me that still baffles me like I don't know about you But we need we need to get that moment generating function like I actually went last year and I was like I want to figure out how they come up with this So I found the guy who created the forerunner of it. Okay, I think what I'm probably gonna use name wrong It's like Abraham maz. No, I'm getting the name wrong. I'll put in the description of the videos But he was a friend of Isaac Newton and it means hey the comic guy Okay, and he had a book where he wrote down the result, but he doesn't write down how he got to it So after this whole thing of trying to find out, okay, how did he get to this thing? He didn't really get it didn't really get to it and then like on on reddit There was this little trail that went down to it was called harmony maths Have you ever heard of harmony knows and they said that is where the moment generating function Comes in or something like that. So yeah, so that's what for me. I read about how many months I did it went over my head like, you know, like like it was here and like I'm still like over here So I'm hoping no, maybe it might actually be like a physics concept a lot of things in statistics Actually, well like statistics and physics kind of like share a lot of similarities and often like a lot of statistics is used in physics and I guess some physics concepts is using statistics, but maybe not straight physics But yeah, so I think I work with like stochastic differential equations in physics and stuff Yeah, well think I mean in physics you're dealing a lot with forces and in neuroscience You've got the force of mortality and you know all these other force of interest and how they all apply inside So, okay, so then what would be your dream job like if I came up to you and I said You can work anywhere in the economy or you can have any job you want. Where do you want to go work? Oh It's quite a tough question Do you want to work for like a big company that's got everything that's been the tips are a little company where you steal the ship? I kind of like I want to work for a big company like Maybe overseas somewhere like like London or America just for the like the really big bang type things That's okay. It's not like I'll still work here Okay, so as long as I can or as long as I'm here until I get something somewhere else Maybe I even stay like we never know but like the goal is to just work for like a big company But also, I guess the like the steering is shifting But maybe if you get good enough in a company like that you eventually get to know control things or Even like even it's okay to work underneath someone as and I think in the big companies they actually more They they big because they innovative and they'll kind of they will hold some reins on you to keep you Maybe a little bit in place, but they will still let you run with your ideas And and the people in a big company like the people above you What these know what you're talking about and maybe if you've done something wrong They can adjust that you can learn more like that. Okay working for a small company and like running your like everything in They say that your department if you the head Then you on top then You know, you can't you can't go anywhere from there in some sense Like wait, what are you gonna learn unless you're just looking at the internet? And I guess at a high enough level there's nothing on the internet Okay, so you've never had that Entrepreneurial like I want to go and make them like a new discovery or make a new Actuarial startup that Revolutionizes the world all my things are like all my dreams are just based on me being happy and doing they say I don't mind being in an office as long as I get to Just bang out mats all day. Okay. Yeah, well then office you gotta deal with office politics Yeah, I'm okay with that You know, you know, you gotta you gotta make sure that you greet the secretary in a nice way You gotta make sure that you know, you like her on your team You got to make sure that you know bosses happy with you, you know, you have to bake her cookies every now and then There is that that office office thing Which I mean because you're I I would fall 14 months in an office I hated I hated the The the office dynamics and I mean this was it was a young company. It was young. It was a cool startup vibe Everyone was supposed to be chill everyone. Yeah, it seems like it and it is for the first six months first six months great And then dealing with the same people you kind of you learn a lot about the people you work with Yeah, maybe a little bit too much a little bit too much a little bit too much So it's the same like me I'm sure it happened when you were studying for the people who remained for the people who remain But you know fortunately at and while you're studying the people kept dropping up And I don't know if it was like you keep getting the new people from the year Then we're repeating people. So at least at least it was a good it was a good mix. Good. Yeah, it ends up You think like okay, oh first year to second year It's actually a drop because you don't pick up many people in second year. You pick up some but then that Second to third year where you think okay the numbers haven't changed, but you get to class and there's like this half-half And you know what's going on people always new people So I thought I've never been to class before. Yeah, but it looks old I would say those those the one thing that like freak me up because I took like quite a few attempts to get my fellowship exams Yes, and every time I would go to write the exam They'd be this really old guy behind me and he'd like great Like that all the times I went to write the same exam the same guys, but I mean I was like am I is that is that I'm gonna be stuck in these exact and I think that gave me the motivation that gave me the motivation to just say hold up Let me push really hard get this thing done and that's all you can't be stuck in that It's good because that's the thing is the get your exams. They start getting to you like you become like Like almost like it like I got him, you know, I'm like addicted to studying I'm so used to these actual exams that I feel guilty if I go a day without studying even like holiday It's in the period that we just had I was like if I don't know you study So I've gone into like my latest thing has been mythology Okay, so just like anything anything. It just has to be anything. So I was reading up on Greek mythology Like see these books over here. Yeah I was looking at them so you can see because the religion one the movie one the art one sociology I mean the history I wasn't even going to read sociology, but I was like I needed to complete the collection and then you read it I read and I loved it And then there's history then there's show of homes and it's literature and I've got another whole bunch on the e-book format science Astronomy is pretty good. You actually you'd love a shot The history of astronomy is like the history of mathematics Nice, like you see all the big guys That did like big mathematical things did it to the take a try how astronomers know where Mars was So that was a really cool one The science one was a bit heavy for me Politics one was great. I love that one I don't think I'd like philosophy psychology like all of these things are Because I know I've got this but this addiction to say I need to I need to keep learning Yeah, so but fortunately, I mean, that's actually probably also what happened to me though Like the the realization that the field of maths is just so it is huge It's way too big and even if someone had to study every day all day The rest of their lives it not even get maybe not even like 10% So that's just that you know, so what would you say is your your favorite part of mathematics? Like what section of mathematics like if I see you so analysis That's your nightmare the analysis proves that type of stuff. But like, yeah, I don't know. It's I Think because I like statistics as well a lot But I like the probability theory which is also just like measure theory that type of stuff Which is pure maths analysis side? I think all of that stuff just comes to me like that's what I want It's just it's nice to work with small epsilons and Delta's it's it's my thing and energy mats. I mean, I know cryptography is part of the course of the gym I think Cryptography is important. Yeah, is that is that fourth year? Yeah, it looks like it. Okay, so you didn't cover any of that I was gonna say because I mean that much that's quite a popular form of mathematics now the whole rise of crypto currency I might consider doing it this year that's coming because what is your view of Bitcoin? Have you been like looking at from a mathematical side? Like is it saying that excites you or you like I have no time for this new currency like It's exciting, but I haven't spent any time looking at any of it. Yeah, so I wouldn't I wouldn't give you a Rundown on anything right now and then I guess this is sort of linked but programming have you Have you taken any liking to programming? I love programming. Yeah, and what let me just you program it I haven't programmed in a while, but so Advocacy we do like Python and Java like well, they do Python in that side And then I did one extra course which did some Java Okay, and then I kind of got into it But I only learned like the basics like basic basics of like HTML and JavaScript and like I don't know I wasn't Like I enjoyed Java because like I was making like I made like an app or something not not published up or anything Just what what did that do? Like it was it was also just for the course we did I like I made a hangman game It was easy. Okay, like but like I built in some like cheat codes and stuff again What what hangman game has a cheat codes? It was cool. I like I put my own face on the hangman Like I don't know. I was just having fun. That's all like I think that's what that's cool about programming But then like I guess I got more into like the sisters like statistics and stuff. So like are Like it's it's pretty decent because it's like checking out the integration stuff If you ever thought of creating your own artificial intelligence, I thought of it But then I wasn't didn't get that far into programming, but it would be really cool If you if you were to create your own AR, what would you want your AR to do? Yeah, I Don't know like if I like if I to think of an AI that should be created It should be to like that. Yeah, the ultimate human in some sense Like, you know, they always do that like you're gonna make a human AI like robot type thing, but like like almost Human life exactly, but just hyper intelligent like that recall from internet and do anything I don't know. It would be it would just be pretty interesting to have around might irritate people like if If you don't know it's a robot Then it's just gonna be some arrogant asshole That studies outside Because if let's say let's say you make this the super computer human what would you give it any rules? Like would you say don't kill other humans or what would you like? What would you give it because I mean a lot of maybe just don't kill me? Just don't kill you maybe second kill every because there's a lot of a lot of the times AI needs to be goal orientated Yeah, in order to to learn in order to create pathways, you know, what's the most efficient way to get to that? What would you give this super AI's goal? What would its ultimate goal be? Yeah, that's actually just I have no idea like would it be reducing suffering would it be creating I don't know a lot of people they They make you know, they make the AI make some art and then they can Just get rid of all the artists that already post on Instagram You can automate you. Well, this is the thing. I mean I look at art and in a weird way you You can automate that even not because I know a lot of AI does abstract art but you you can get AI in the sense that You get a picture you get some Fibonacci, you know, like the nice little ratios Certain images, you can try different colors. You can put it online Let's say on Instagram page if it doesn't get enough likes it deletes it try something else puts it back up See what the ultimate It can create pretty art based on actual users. What about a meme robot a meme robot? Ultimate means well, that's because how is your meme channel good? It's slow. It's only I think it's got like 300 That's pretty good. We're gonna we're gonna put a link in the description below to to Yuri's meme It's just on Instagram. Yeah, it's only on Instagram. Yeah, it's only on Instagram So you guys must definitely follow What four thousand don't be mean four thousand W. Yeah, what's the W sample? It's so we we since we running it through you see T We did it on like a play on the course goods there So like it is the advanced mathematics means, okay, and we played it on once mathematics means Yeah, so we played it on the man four thousand W or like that type of thing So the W in the course because you see T stands for whole year cause and so but we did so meme for Letters so doesn't conflict actually with any things in the UCT course codes because those always standard three letters four numbers and then the Ending yeah, okay But now aren't you then restricting your market just to you see T? No, we've got we've got quite I think we've got a few international people like that people from Your everywhere actually yeah, you can look on when you have a business account You actually look where your people are from okay, and you say not details about specific people just like who's Louis Okay, so like at the moment. I've been running the page. Yeah, we were trying to make like We were trying to make like an organization type thing where we have like meetings at UCT and teach people maths But using memes as a medium. So it's it's me my friend Kushel And we have two people Logan and Paul Who's to like what the admin side but we haven't done we haven't actually done anything towards an organization yet? So at the moment, we've just got the meme page. I just say we because we still we still are group until we decide Okay, we only gonna use the mean and you would you accept like say submission So they say it's someone's watching this now and they love it once maths and they're good at generating memes Yeah, and they sent you so actually the Latest post that I've posted at like nine this morning was the submission from someone else. Yeah, okay Yeah, okay, so you guys you guys can hear that if you make a meme you can send it to this guy So with this with this teacher comes in me. Yeah, that's actually that's that's a pretty good one as well so what we do is The page is not just maths means though We're trying to do it in an educational way So I guess you could if you have maths means it might still it might be really funny But it might not end up on our channel though because what we once is a maths meme that has something in it Then we can explain as well So this one would actually qualify because then we'd be able to explain what a boy what a boy is Yeah, and everything and we are we trying to do like different things so like financial Axi Stats actual mathematics, but it's it's quite a lot easier just finding pure maths memes So at the moment a lot of it's clogged in that yes, but they are I think there's two or three axi ones Okay, this might be some physics ones I don't like it. I don't think it's fine. There's there's explanations though. You don't have to get it It could I think yeah Just check it out. I mean, it's okay. Well, I think we are coming up to 30 minutes We have 30 seconds to one boom. We have hit the 30 second 30 minute mark So I think that's a good place to end unless you want to Sending us you're good. Okay. Cool. Thanks guys so much for watching and like I say Don't forget to check out the meme page and to let me know your thoughts in the comment section below Keep up. Cheers