 So I'm here now at the Eden Conference in Bruges with Lisa Marie Blaschke, who is the chair of the Eden Fellows Group. Tell me about, is that right? The Eden Fellows Council, it's the board, and it's made up of a number of fellows and senior fellows who are organizing some of the activities that we're doing within the Fellows Council, which consists of all of the fellows, the fellows, the senior fellows, the first year fellows. And so we're just, we're working with all of them together to really take advantage of the synergies, to work together with the people within Eden, to really find a way for all of us to deal with some of the issues that we're encountering within open and distance learning today. And so a lot of the work that we're doing is taking that knowledge, that tacit knowledge that's in many of our members in the fellow group as it is right now, and really creating synergies across the organization through NAP, through supporting the EC. So we're really, the Eden Council fellows was established to maximize those synergies and to give us an opportunity to build on the knowledge and the experience of our fellows and our members in order to move Eden forward into the future. You mentioned issues and challenges, could you be more specific? Well, we had a meeting in Barcelona during the research workshop last year where the fellows met and we identified, I think there were probably three or four just flip charts of all of the things that we were encountering within the field that we needed to address and what we did, we grouped them under different topics, different projects. And so that's how we've currently organized the board and we'll be presenting that this afternoon at the fellows, at the fellows council meeting. And those are, first of all, we're talking about open and distance education trends, which Antonio is leading. And then we're talking about Eden in 2030, what will that look like? So there we're providing support for the EC who's working on a SWAT analysis of where our strengths, where our weaknesses, what direction do we want to go in. So there's that group and that's being led by DEBRA. Then we've got the Eden community, which I'm leading, which is working together with the NAP to look at different ways of really using that community or helping that community, engaging with our members and working with them. And so we're trying to provide support wherever we can. It isn't a question of the fellows being the leaders or making the decisions or telling anyone what to do. It's really an advisory role, a supporting role to, as I said before, I can't say it enough to really maximize these synergies. And then the final project that we're working on, which Wim is leading, is the ROTAL, working together with Uli to provide support and guidance and feedback and ideas. And when I talk about these projects, I don't mean these are the people, these are the only people working on them. We are drawing on the Eden community, we're drawing on the Eden fellows to be part of them. And that's something we'll talk about this afternoon as well at the fellows meeting, is how can we engage the fellows more and more. And of course, your order is the online journal for Eden. Now, one question that really intrigues me, Lisa, is what is the difference between a fellow and a senior fellow? Oh, well, it's kind of a transition. Mostly when someone comes into the organization and is recognized as a fellow, they've contributed extensively to the organization. Whether it be through presentations, whether it be through publications, whether it be a role that they served within the Eden organization, sometimes they've done a number of different things, you know, look at the things that you've done with the NAP. And so usually then you receive, you're recognized for that work by receiving a fellow. If you've done this over years for an extensive period of time continuously, then you're nominated for the Senior Fellow Award. Lisa, thank you very much for your time. Thank you.