 Well, you know, some people say ego is edging God out. The ego is a death wish. It's it's the belief that there is no God. It's the belief that love is impossible. It's the belief in separation and some people will say well, what is the point of the ego and It doesn't have a point In fact, being an illusion, you know, illusion is not real and reality is the point and The ego is like a denial of reality. So I mean, what what would be the purpose of a death wish? In in terms of eternal life, it doesn't have a purpose So then we could say that since it's just a belief Jesus says you made the ego by believing in it and you can dispel it by withdrawing your belief from it So there's a song that Helena likes to sing too. It's you know, I'm not the clothes. I wear. I'm not all these different things and it's so beautiful because it's like There's two things in the mind that the singer is saying that And one of them that I am love and I am free. I believe help my unbelief in other words help Annie help my mind Free itself of anything where I am not in the belief of forgiveness And then I'm not aligned with God help my unbelief Take from me anything in my mind. That's an obstacle to the awareness of love's presence So it's kind of cool because when you look at this world and you say well the ego made this world then Then what's the point of this world? And we could say the only point this world have is forgiveness Which would be to see it with the Holy Spirit? That is the only point that this world has and The only point we could say that's lined up with that For the ego would be the retranslation of everything that the ego made in hate So this world was made in hate This world was made in guilt This world was made as a as a distractive device as a separating device is a way of reinforcing guilt so the point of this world would be to forgive it and In that sense it is to release it So there's not like you're trying to try to come up with something valuable about the world, but it's more of just being willing in Any instant to value peace of mind more than the images of the world And that's been my whole practice to the point where Whatever the body's eyes seem to perceive and the body's eyes seem to hear whatever the The feel the touch whatever the five senses report It after a while you start to realize that there's a small still voice in your mind that is the way and These interpretations that are based on the five senses, you know aren't going to get the job done They're not going to get us back to the kingdom of heaven and so you quit valuing them and and yet life goes along joyfully miraculously and Nothing's lost, you know. Oh about the Dow Jones Average drop 400 points. Okay. Oh, it climbed 300. All right You know, it's like I live a life where I've kind of got so into the flow of trusted spirit That it's a life of non-possession. So when you don't possess anything nothing can be taken away from you Or given you, you know in a material way, you know, it's just a state of mind so you literally it's more like all the worlds of stage and Every was everyone plays their part, but it's also much to do about nothing So Shakespeare had it covered on both both angles, you know very wise I'd like to find out more about the singer that was in the middle of Eric and JP because during the first song Whoever you are over there. You were your arms were out and you were like in heaven. I want I want more of that I want another round There she is armel Yes You can see a lot of willingness behind those waving arms She actually see that a lot of you don't know the story But she received the guidance from the Holy Spirit that she was to get married in how many days In 15 days to a man that she had never met And she followed the guidance and There is her husband right next to her That's what we call following the Holy Spirit and he had never met her either So that was a leap of faith And it's being used for the glory of God No judgment there You know since there's no secret thoughts. I got a judgment going on. I'm freaking out Yes, so you can expose anything That's exactly how it works Yes To think about Yeah yeah, it seems the question it's about forgiveness and and forgiving ourselves and forgiving others and in the Bible it said forgive 70 times seven You know in kind of insinuating that we have to practice this forgiveness thing, you know It would it would take a lot of actual practical application And and what it is is Actually, there's a movie that I I I talk about on YouTube and there's a movie I recommend with George Clooney And so it's easy on your eyes and so Anyway, it's called Solaris and I tell them about this movie because it's like Going off to this planet with all these mystical kind of lights around it and so forth, but the planet seems to represent It represents the divine law of what all that I give I give to myself and giving receiving are the same Here on earth when that law is pushed out of awareness. It seems like it takes time Takes time to forgive it takes time to work through the lessons When people die like your parents, then they're deceased and you know, they're not there anymore But you still have thoughts about them and memories that you're working with and interpretations and so forth So in this movie George Clooney plays a psychologist who goes up to Solaris and he can't understand anything that's happening up there because his wife had committed suicide a number of years ago and When he's up at Solaris she comes back You know in other words the dead and gone or not really dead and gone He's still thinking about her and she's right there and He has to work through all of his forgiveness in a kind of a real sped-up way because it's in his face He even tries to get rid of her put her in an escape pod and get project her out here at this space like Get rid of her again But there she comes again, you know when he's sleeping at night and so forth and in one sense That's what forgiveness is. It's like It keeps coming at us when we start to realize that the people in our lives they were just acting out our belief system So if we seem to be victimized or mistreated or we didn't get the treatment that we felt we deserved They were simply acting out our our own unconscious guilt our belief system They were doing a great job of it to Academy Award Oscar to mom and dad for for those performances But all we'd we never we weren't remembering them as they truly are we were just remembering the past Grievances that we've kept in our mind and they acted them out and When we meet people even on this planet even the live ones so to speak we never really fully meet in the present It's always through a filter of the ego past So we're just perceiving in them What we still have unresolved within our own consciousness or whatever what we still have grievance on and They actually are doing us a favor. You know the ones we think are the biggest jerks the biggest idiots the most insensitive people they're actually Helping us go past this repression denial mechanism and they're acting it out right in front of us So that we can react and have all those emotions and bring them back up into awareness and actually Give them over to the Holy Spirit and and have a miraculous experience So just by thinking of of your mom and dad is course activating these memories and these emotions and And it's part of that clearing even if they aren't physically in your life There's still the spirit still using that when we dream of them when we ponder them when we think of them It's it's still part of that and in the movie Solaris George Clint he's got to go through this all these emotions all over again with his wife he finally kind of yields into this light of Solaris and When he finds himself back on earth He can hardly relate to earth anymore because he says that's a transformation experience and then suddenly His his wife appears and she's got a message for him and the message is Everything is forgiven everything As his eyes are just really big That's that's where this is all heading. It's heading towards a purification So the course Jesus says when you meet anyone remember it as a holy encounter as you see him You will see yourself as you treat him You will treat yourself as you think of him You will think of yourself Never forget this for in him you will find yourself or lose yourself And it turns relationships into this glorious glorious mechanism of forgiveness, which is really The only purpose that relationships have to inspire and bless To help us remember the truth of who we really are Yeah, this belief in loss or or sacrifice is at the core. That's what the ego is Whereas spirit is fully abundant and whole and complete the belief in loss and lack And grief is all tied into this. It's what the ego is It's always missing it's telling us that we're missing out on something or we're missing something Good that we had in the past, but we no longer have it and It's it's based on linear time. It's based on avoiding the present moment and avoiding eternity and staying in this loop of Not enough Never get enough and when I have something of value it gets taken away. That's what this whole cosmos is about so the the answer to it is through being a miracle worker, it's like We we have tried to fulfill that sense of lack in so many ways And and this world seems to offer many But it you know how Jesus said drink of me and you will never thirst again He's really saying join me in the miracle and we will experience together a fulfillment that has no lack in it no missing and So that's one of those deep roots that I know For me, that's what the whole journey was about it was about going down and getting to the core of that route Because as long as there's any sense of unfulfillment Any sense of that inner sense of something's missing then the mind just seems to seek seek seek In terms of form and never gets fulfilled. You know, it just doesn't do it in this world So it's more of a of a negation of starting to realize. Ah, I Need not seek for it in form. I need to Find my function. I need to find my purpose because that's the only way I'm going to find my fulfillment It's glorious