 Hey guys, welcome to a special episode of the podcast, but as far as I know this is just gonna be on YouTube Join back by my friend Chris Roussio Chris welcome back Hey, yeah podcast. How's it going? We got some new developments here. We got a very interesting development I'm sure people kind of have an idea from the like name of this video and the thumbnail on YouTube, but so Very quickly Chris if you're watching this you may know you may not have known I'll get I'll tell you Chris Came on and did a two-part series on the gear of Lars Ulrich and it's doing very well Like a lot of views on it, which is awesome because you did a great job And thank you and the comments are overwhelmingly positive Which is good to see yes, but all right, so I'm gonna let you tell more about the specifics, but long story short 1983 Lars had a very special camco drum set that was Basically a painted black Camco drum set which I think even in the episode I might have said like if you come across that there's not many of them in the world Exactly, exactly. Yeah, which kind of explained this is a bit of a pre like Chris and I are talking before the individual who may To kind of spoiler alert who may have this drum set gets on the call in 10 minutes is what we have scheduled here So I wanted to talk to Chris before it's pretty pretty exciting and pretty exciting But we both have said this this could be nothing very likely could be nothing. Is it still interesting? Yes, absolutely Absolutely, do we need to like pull the thread and see if Something happens and this is right right you can't you can't let a development like this just go You know you got to investigate it check it out, you know, yeah, yeah, so real quick Alright, so a gentleman named Dennis not gonna say his last name. He can later if he wants, but it seems better not to Messaged me on today is Sunday September 10th So he messaged me on Wednesday and I saw this on Thursday because sometimes Facebook business account is weird and you don't say right So Dennis said I'm gonna look over here and read it. He said hello I was listening to your drum podcast on Lars camco drum set. I Purchased a single bass drum kit with 12 14 14 15 toms and a 16 floor painted black Back in the 90s, which I still have with lots of add-ons since and Recovered it. It was odd black paint. I believe they are camco shells I do not had it. I do not have any of the hardware anymore He put Tama swing star 80s lugs all over it to change the whole kit. Mm-hmm, which Oh And then he said any advice on what I should look to I'm sure it's just a fluke Someone painted it at some point and then he gave me his phone number and then I was like, yeah, let's talk Yeah, absolutely to Chris and I think you texted him. I did I spoke with him a little bit Yeah, because it had a phone number and right pretty much just said the same thing He said to you and then he had to go to work. So you just cut it short. So yeah, that's pretty much development there. So again What are the odds the questions really at hand that we will talk to him and and you know I don't want to say too much about what we're gonna talk to him before we even talk to him But I would say that we're gonna probably ask things like You know a little bit more on the story of how you acquired it. Yeah, yeah Maybe why'd you get rid of the camco lugs? Mm-hmm. Could maybe have just not known the like Pedigree, I guess of camco. Right. Right. Oh like famous. They are And just if there's any like discerning marks on it. Mm-hmm. So Chris, what do you? If you had to put the odds on this being it, what would you guess right now? Well, I mean how many painted black camco renaissance are out there if any? Oh, that's another thing. We got to find out if it is in fact a renaissance like I was talking to you earlier Yeah, I want to see that inlay to even you know move forward just to say that this is his kit I want to see that inlay You know, I'm wondering did the guy take the paint off to the also take the original lacquer finish off? You know, so did he take the black paint off? Well, what I heard is he He got rid of the black paint and refinished it and that's another thing when Lars did this too Do we know if Lars took off the original coating? That's something I don't know You know how hard it is to hand sand an inlay an inlay off So I doubt that Lars took that off back in the 80s and 83, but that's something I want to see I want to see that inlay that would that would tell me a lot if that inlay is not there He said no, I just sanded the black paint off. I got rid of the black paint and there's no inlay Well, that kills it right there, you know. Yeah So interesting I'm kind of didn't I think you told me that in a text and I kind of forgot about how he sanded off the black paint We're a little but I also wonder if we could maybe get some photos that he had from like the 90s Right, right, and I want to be up front and clear with everyone that we are it in No way trying to do this is like a clickbait kind of like oh, yeah Making up a story like someone reached out and said I think I might have you know It could be a fluke, but I think I might have the original Absolutely and something like that you you have to dig into it. Yeah, you just have to yeah Can you remind us before we hopefully get Dennis on here? What information is known about the whereabouts of where it was stolen? Did you say so it was Boston? It was January 1984 Boston. I actually I think it was on Nico Street the club I actually looked it up last night. I was thinking about calling the police department and getting a report But I was like, yeah, you better not do that But anyway, so it was it was a club on Nico Street in Boston January 84 right before they went to record ride the lightning And apparently it was in like a U-Haul truck or a moving truck and yeah, somebody broke in and stole it Yeah, and so this is also we should mention. This is this gentleman. Dennis is in Pennsylvania So that's another thing, you know, it's kind of it's still on the East Coast Now if it was somewhere in California or if it was overseas, I'd be like, well, you know, that's that's a little yeah That's a different yeah because shipping back then and yeah, all right Well that thought Chris because Dennis is here So I'm actually now and I hope it starts recording him right when we get here If it doesn't we may have a quick pause and then re-record, but I'll see a little light So we'll see so let's let him in and I'll introduce him perfect. We'll go from here. So here we go. Hey Dennis Hey, there he is. Hey Dennis. How are you? How's it going? Good. Good. How are you here, too? I'm good All right, man. So, uh, how's it going? Thank you. Thank you for messaging and writing in and Checking it out. So so I appreciate it. I didn't stop making the way, please I had the same problem last time I'm a little bit with maybe some of the Holding the phone and stuff like that. So, okay, and you said his name's Aiden. Aiden. Yes. Okay. Well, we appreciate Aiden's help here So All right, Dennis. So we're rolling right now Chris and I just did about a 10 minute talk a little bit of the background of like What what you know Chris originally said in the episode which I'll tell people if they're watching this It was in part one about 14 minutes and 40 seconds in that was when we talked about the black camco kit and all that information but Dennis let's like just so we gave some of the background so What's the story man? What what where did you get these actually it was I did some more thinking about it Was it 94 look I had said sent to you Chris. It was in probably 1998 when I got it 12 13 14 15 inch rack Tom there was also a six and a eight inch They were a Tama swing start, but um and a 16 by 16 inch four Tom and a 14 by 22 inch bass drum Okay, now the insides and the outside were all painted like a gloss black I found it on Craigslist. I believe is where I bought it from I paid. I think three hundred dollars for the kit And now wow said he had gotten it from somebody else from around Philadelphia, and he said he don't know where it came from prior to that Okay What um, do you remember what heads were on it when you bought it? the remos like were they like clear or dots or Ebony or they were um, I think they were The dot the remote dots black dot the controlled sound Okay Now, how do you did they it originally had the camco lugs? Over half of it had the original camco lugs on it And then I switched them because it was like an inch and a half or inch and three if I forget what the Tama swing start Lugs are but they fit in there perfectly. So Yeah, most most Thomas do they're interchangeable. Well, yeah, because that was yeah, right? All right. Well, that's interesting Chris. You got any questions off the top of your head So you you said you did refinish this you stripped the the black black panel for the outside But I left it all on the inside and since then I've made my drum set the way I wanted to cuz No offense against Lord's all right, but he's not really my favorite drummer Neil Pearce, of course Old Metallica, okay, so much, but okay, so very important What what is the finish that was underneath that black paint? it was Kind of like a clear which had been sanded I sanded down because um, it was a little rough from the paint being on it Okay, was was there an inlay in the center? I believe that works Really? It was a real thin inlay and none of that Sarah because I had sanded through that because I didn't I didn't know that the time That's you know something special. I Was switching all over to Tama Swingstar because that's what my dream kit was Sure. All right We're back. We have Dennis kind of hold his camera a little more still there. So um, all right Dennis So there was an inlay It did get sanded off, which I don't know 16th of an inch or something not even a 16th of an inch maybe like a 30 second or something like that in lay I don't exactly know but it was a like a white band around them Oh, so it's just like a white band. It was like no kind of uh, I don't know a blocky kind of c-shaped Designs in it. It was just a solid color band. I don't remember it's been, you know, many years Gotcha, gotcha. It was like two thousand or so is when I am started stripping it down to recover it Gotcha. I had got more kit to my kit Gotcha Any information on the second kick drum or just it just didn't have it It didn't have it. It was just a single kick Okay, but I got with it and then since then I had gotten another 14 by 22 bass drum swing star and The rest of my kit here, which I'll show you a picture of them Right, right. Now. Let me ask you the bottom heads. Did it come with is there bottom heads on this? It did not it did not come with bottom heads when I had gotten it Okay, but but it has the ability to have bottom heads. Oh, yeah, that's okay. They're power toms. They're like 12 11 by 12 or 10 by 12 12 by 13 Or I can get a tape measure and give you an exact measurement what I've got. Okay Aiden, yeah Did you um, thank you to Aiden for getting the tape measure. Um, thank you. Did you Take any photos back in the day when it was like black? No, I wish I did I was actually I'm thinking the one band I was playing in at the time when I started adding more stuff When I had it that way I was trying to think if um, anybody had taken pictures of it then and I do have a message into one of the guys that Was in the band with and he might have a picture. He's not sure and get back to me on that Okay, because that would be where we could maybe do that sort of like Look at a picture and 83 of Lars on it. Look at a picture of you and 99 or whatever and like to see if there's any like You know, there's a chip out of the paint here or something like that Were you aware of the possibility that this would be maybe this drum set before hearing our episode? No, never. I'm I didn't even know anything like that existed because um, I I sense on me and my son we started a small little drum shop and um, why we're doing that I've been listening to your podcast to learn history so that way it makes me a better person around the drum to percussion myself Sure. Thank you And I found you by accident Just tap it in drum history next thing I said drum history podcast was bar I'm like, okay. Let's start listening. So I've listened to numerous episodes that you have so Cool. Good channel. Yeah. Well, thank you very much. Um Uh, chris any more questions? I mean, this is yeah, what are you thinking? So Now you told me they were power toms. They were like if if they're power toms That kills it right there I mean, I've I've heard of people, you know, they'll cut their toms down and they'll get a bearing edge put back on but Nobody really puts length back on a drum. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. So Okay, if these are power toms, that's it Well, let's uh, yeah, yeah, let's let's check it out. Yeah, because I mean again We and Dennis I'll tell you we told people right up front We don't know we're not trying to click bait anyone or get us because it's literally what we're chris is like Asking these questions right now and finding out right and I'm sure you were like you're hoping that it's Lars's kit Before you even show it to us because it sounds like it very I mean, that's a one in a billion chance, right? If it were what would you have done with it? That's the million dollar question I probably try to done nothing with it and just kept it with my kit just knowing it Because I don't think I would change it because I just love the way my kit is and the way my kit sounds Yeah, after this long it is what would you do if lar well, it's not really painted black anymore So it's sort of different right. What would you do if if again, it's kind of now We're just kind of playing the what if game but like if Lars were like, oh, I want my kit back What would you do in that situation? I'd say it's not the right kit not just kidding Yeah, I'd say well, I don't I don't know um on that part you'd have to figure it out How many painted black kits are there? Not many I was I just thought it was kind of weird then I stripped it off. It was like, um Maybe like a rustolium black Stemming gloss paint I think the heat gun which they just get which matches up that would that would describe his the paint right there. Yeah Even on the inside of the toms. It's still the same yet. It's got that um black rustolium Semi gloss which the rest of the kit that I put together to keep it in sync with it I painted all the other toms black on the inside which still gives it a nice deep dark sound Right. That's that's another thing. Oh his shells on that painted black camco were natural So that that's another point I I'll bring up. So, right Okay. All right. Well, let's check. There was no um edge when I put the um Wrap around them, you know, like some of the other toms I pulled apart in the past And recovered they have um like that defined edge where it would sink down in for the part they relapse So it wouldn't stick out too much. Mm-hmm I got you. So it was originally natural. Yeah Okay, okay Well, let's check him out. Let's just see what you got again for everyone listening while he's kind of turning the camera um It this may not be the one but I think chris and I are now like, well, let's try and find this thing Yeah, I don't know what we're not gonna go knocking on doors and speaking in basements, but like yes Someone else has a lead. Somebody has to lead. I mean Yeah, how cool would that be? Well, the first to mr. Ulrich the first tom doesn't sound too promising because it's a 9 by 10 So that would be a power tom. Yeah. Yeah. Okay And 11 by 12 12 by 13 13 by 13 by 14 All right, we'll turn the camera on here. Let's let's see the thing and uh and and get a look at it and I think we're all feeling the same thing of we all wanted it to be yet. Yeah, you got a great drum set either way So let's let's see it And this is the first time chris and I are seeing anything for anyone listening, um, okay We get this pretty good deal cool cool setup. Yeah, nice color Yeah, so you rewrapped that is that a wrap they got on there now or it was I rewrapped it back in the 80s or back I should say back in the 80s. I had a 1980s, um swing star kit, which was um that mera chrome So I redid this for the mera chrome But I have since um wanted to switch it because I love the black and yellow color Well, it's got that 72 seasons feel that's pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah, you got the modern laris set Well, it's a beautiful drum set. I think everyone agrees that with that I don't think I'm not getting the vibe that you reached out just to say like You know, I think you truly did think this could have been it It's looking like the this one as we've all said probably isn't it But I appreciate you reaching out that absolutely. Yeah, absolutely And sharing your time and and and like I said for everyone in for everyone who's watching this You know the let the hunt continue because that drum sets out there. It's out there. It's out there somewhere I'm actually kind of happy in a way because if it would have been there, did he want it back? I kept thinking I my question my thoughts were I bet he'd want it back in his collection I think yes, you'd want to keep it but deep deep down the right thing to do would be like Return it to laris and put it back. I mean how happy would he be? But oh, yeah Um So the search continues Chris before we kind of close out any final thoughts on this I mean Well, I do I do appreciate, you know, you contacting us and showing it. It's it's still a cool kit regardless I just with the power toms and everything. I just I just don't see it being the one, you know, unfortunately So Yeah, but thank you for showing us. Sure. It's still a very cool kit. Very cool kit. Well, thank you No problem. No problem. I'm gonna still keep on listening because I love your show. So Well, thank you. Thank you, Dennis and I'm happy to have you on here. This one's probably just going to be on youtube because it's so visual, but Uh, yeah, and again everyone thanks for watching this. We didn't really know what was going to happen I've been excited since Wednesday or thursday when you told me I was like, I was telling Bart This was like that herald over vera episode where they go into al Capone's vault I was really excited. It seems at least up to now that we've struck out with the bolt I'm disappointed about that as I'm sure you are. All right. Well the search continues Dennis, thank you for being here. Thanks to Aiden for helping Thanks, Aiden Uh, cool. Cool set up with the lights over there when you got over there. Oh, it's just um Oh, wow a banner thing or one of the backdrops. All right. Well, we will wrap it up there and uh, chris maybe we we see what we see what surface is on the next one and I'll tell people now that um It has been requested a lot that chris comes back on the podcast to do a larzol rick studio drums Episode so he's going to work on that and get some photos and we'll make that happen. So definitely get something going there. Yeah All right guys. Well a lot of mixed emotions right now. So we'll uh, we'll we'll end there and thank you to everyone for watching And chris chris as always. Thank you for your time. No problem. Dennis. Thank you very much. Appreciate it All right guys, we're back. We're going to do thanks. Dennis was on he's off Thank you, Dennis. I appreciate you showing up. Yes, Dennis was great But now it's just chris and I and I just want to do a quick wrap-up real quick That's disappointing. Obviously. Yeah, we turned the camera around to the kit. I was It was different than what I expected. Yeah, sadly it doesn't look like it. It's going to be the one unfortunately Yeah, yeah, yeah Because Dennis has been like out of town and at work and we didn't get pictures beforehand and but appreciate his time Absolutely his time but but it's interesting to even determine how that would be camco shells versus Thomas shells that maybe had Some camco or maybe early dw lugs on them. So like I was saying earlier the power toms. They just They just kill it right there. You know, the larses were definitely definitely not power toms Yeah, as you could. Yeah. Yeah. So that uh, it kills it right there. Unfortunately. So the hunt continues like you said Who knows maybe something will happen Uh, and someone will come forward and say, oh, I bought a kit that sounds like that or they'll have a friend who does They find it in the basement because maybe someone I mean if it was an 83 that they stole it that person. I mean that's 43 years right 40 40 years ago It was the it was 84 and 84 if somebody in boston is listening check your basements check your attics You never know. All right. Well, that's it. So we'll just wrap up there, but thanks to everyone for listening I'm debating releasing this and if you're watching this then I did release it But we really did think that was gonna be it. So, uh, we'll see and maybe it'll lead to something else. Um, so Anyway, chris appreciate all your time. Thank you. Always a pleasure. Enjoy being here as always Yep. All right, man. I'll see you on the next one then. All right guys. Have a good one