 Yeah. You technically start the meeting if you'd like to. Maybe if we could do, if y'all are amenable, the agenda and the minutes. Until Shayna. It's here. Yeah. Yeah, I can't make those. Calls for you also. So we're missing. Yeah. Yeah. And she, her email sounded as if she was not, maybe not making it at all. She is. Sorry. Sorry, I'm late. Hi. Hi. I fell in. Yeah. So I can't complain about anything. And yet I. Illnesses that aren't COVID still exist. It's weird. Yeah. How's everyone else doing? Yeah. It wasn't that. Well, should we get started? Let me message. Lauren real quick. And then, yeah, we were just going to. I know I just shared the note from. Too late last night. And so I'm sorry that. I haven't shared it before, but. You know, just start with. Start with that before going into the report back from. Other city committees and from the city council budget meeting. And then maybe we'll get started. So I don't know if you want to, do you want to take, take it away? Start it off. Sure. Well, first of all. Hi, everybody. It's good to see you. And yes, I, we. As you know, we had submitted a proposal to the city council budget meeting. And then if we have time to talk about some of the other things on our agenda, does that all? How does that sound for folks? We jumped around a little bit. So. So I don't know. So do you want to, do you want to take, take it away? Start it off. Okay. As you know, we had submitted a proposal to do a big convening in the spring. And that was part of an original plan that we had. Created several years ago, actually before COVID. If anyone can remember back that far. And we. We have a dog barking in the background. In fact, I'm just going to let her in this room. And that will help. Hold on just a moment. I'll hear our untrained COVID puppy. Anyway, so we. We just thought it would make sense to. Kind of pull back from that. And. You know, offer you a little bit of support and some consulting hours to kind of transition you to the next step. So I'll just talk briefly about kind of the rationale for a big convening, which could still happen virtually. But the rationale for. Doing a combination of small group work, like the focus groups are one to one interview. So that personal relationship. And also large events like a summit. Accomplish different things. So the small. Work really creates opportunities for everybody to have a voice. There's a really important relationship building component to that. And, and then the large group convenings are places where you can really create kind of collective momentum. And build excitement. And then. A shared vision for the work. So we think. Excuse my dog. Sorry. So we think that the best processes kind of combine those different kinds of activities. All of those things are needed. One thing I'll say is that the relationship building piece. You all have to do that, right? Like you can't hire a consultant to do that for you. That's just, you know, you know, elbow grease that has to happen, especially when you're still looking to diversify C. Jack and all of those things. Like there's no substitute for that. And so it seems like if, you know, the pivot because of COVID and different things to not try to do a big community right now, that's where they can continue to happen. Really helpful to your, your cause. As time goes on. And so, you know, we are happy to just fully step back. But if it would be helpful, we're all also happy to just offer a few consulting hours to help you all. Think about ways to kind of tell the story of what you've been doing so far and do some more maybe individual outreach and relationship building. I know that we do have an email list. We're happy to be a go, between if the city wants to do a communication with folks, just giving them an update about what's happening and also creating some kind of invitation for some of that, more of that one to one relationship building. We're happy to be kind of a pass through between the city and that group that we talked with last year. So I think that was everything I tried to say in the email. I'll just pause there. So, can you explain sort of, I heard a couple of different things there, but then you're committed to the next step being a large, large group. And there are no other next steps in your equity process that isn't that. So you would be taking a step back until COVID concerns are over. Is that what I'm hearing? Well, it's not, it's not exactly that simple. Cameron, I think also we, you know, we're having, we're, we have a lot of work right now. We have a lot of projects and we're trying to work in places where we feel we can have maximum impact. And so that, you know, we're making decisions all the time about what we're going to be able to move forward with and what we're, what we can't move forward with. And it seemed like because there was just not, it wasn't, you know, it didn't seem clear that to this group that was the next step that made the most sense, especially because of COVID and uncertainties about in person gatherings and all of that. We just felt that there are things that the community could be working on right now. If you all decide, you know, you go on forward, I mean, I think, you know, there's, there's, you know, you can still have that conversation. There's other consultants you could provide. But we are saying that what we can offer you right now is a little bit of consulting to help bridge the work that you've done to the next step. But I do think Cameron, to answer your question, there are, there's many different approaches to getting this work done. And so there's a lot of relationship building and more one-on-one work that the community could definitely be doing. I mean, I think you all, you know, there's, you know, you can still have that conversation or other consultants you could potentially work with. But you know, you know, there's a lot of work that the community is doing. I mean, I think you all, you know, we listened to the community. We heard some recommendations. You all have started to implement those things. And to your credit at the city side, Cameron, it sounds like you've been really intentional about kind of building some of those recommendations into your work plans. I think there's many opportunities to go back out to the community and just, you know, get feedback. Are we on the right track here is our approach making sense to the community. So that kind of feedback loop can happen in a lot of days. Large gathering is a way to have that feedback loop happen. And as I said, some of the, you know, advantages of that are that that can really create a lot of energy and momentum in the community to have a large gathering. But if that just doesn't seem like the right approach right now for a variety of reasons, then I think you can do that. I'm a little bit more individually with folks. I think, you know, building relationships and having that feedback loop feels like a really important. Next step for the where you are. You want to go. Yeah. Well, I have to start by saying I'm okay with not doing a big deal, a big event. I have attended too many of them that go on too long and people kind of lose interest at around lunchtime. And so I think also, we have no idea when COVID is going to be a threat. And I think we should abandon the idea of trying to pull people together because people will be reluctant to, to come to big. I think it's also a financial burden for people, even though we, you know, we're offering, we're offering stipends. They still have to take a day off from whatever it is that they are doing in their lives. And, and I think in these times, it's just not, it's just not a practical, I think even productive way of doing business. I think it's a, you know, it was a time when that those kinds of meetings worked in my view, but I don't think we're in, I think we're past that. I also think that we have started our processes of meeting different constituencies. And I think that it would be helpful to have the list that you will use in the assembly. And it would be helpful to have, to have, if we, if as we go through that development, if we have questions about how to approach people who are, you know, who are reluctant to be, you know, in, you know, identified or called upon, then it would be helpful for us to sort of have other strategies that, you know, you could suggest. But I think we, I think we have some momentum in our own group. We've started a few discussion about a few topics of our own. And we have developed some, some models for convening larger groups. We did the committee of committees and things like that. And we can build on that. So I'm, you know, I thank you. Thank you for the offer. Thank you for talking about it. I think we can go ahead on our own. The one thing I'll say about the list of focus group participants is, you know, happy to be a pass through with an invitation for them to share their information with you all. But I think, you know, we're not comfortable sharing the list unless that group of focus group participants indicates that they're willing for that to happen. So that's the one, the one caveat I would just put into the mix there. But you did say you were willing to send out emails on our behalf. Correct. Yes. I think we could work together to come up with an email from all of you with, you know, could have a, an invitation for them to, you know, share, share their contact information with you if they wanted to stay involved or, you know, participate in some way. That to me feels like a very useful next step. To try and do that as a piece of the relationship and building puzzle to invite those folks who had some interest in participating in the focus groups to, you know, maintain some kind of connection with CJ's equity work, the city's equity work. So I would support working on a communication around that to start to build some kind of a, you know, a list of those folks. Helen, do you have any thoughts? My, I just have a question about budget stuff. So it's mostly for Cameron. So if we don't use the funds as kind of originally intended, could we use them on other, on like other outreach or, or like we move them over, we roll them over or give them that. What are the different funding options? I have 10,000 in the proposed budget for fiscal year 23, which was to continue this work with the creative discourse group. I can't answer that question. I think that would need to go to council. And much the homelessness task force has a similar budget. And what council has asked from them is proposals on how they want to spend it, right? So that council is aware of what the, what the next steps are of the group and then they can approve the, for the release of funds, if you will. Yeah, I think it's not really my concern concern, but like where I'm coming up with this is that if we don't use the funds this year, will we lose it for, you know, next year or the year after kind of thing? And it's, I don't, I don't think so. Yeah. It's not kind of like we're going to want to not waste the money. No, no, it's still in our budget for years. We're three. So. Yep. Great. Well, so maybe I think. Cameron is the person or Cameron and Shayna, you know, please just circle back with me and we can. Maybe just make a plan to see, you know, how much time you think it would, you know, it would take for us to support you with these next steps that we just outlined. You can go from there. Yeah, I think, I think, you know, I, I can, I don't, I only speak for myself, but I think it would be very helpful to have someone help us figure out what those next steps should be. And so we really appreciate those consulting hours. Like again, I just want to reemphasize that, you know, you know, you know, you know, these are volunteers and you know, any, any expertise is helpful. Like I don't know. I'm not trained in this work, right? Okay. Well, I will. Cameron, if you want to, if you want to set up a meeting with me and Shayna, we can just talk about what that would look like. And we'll go from there. Thanks so much. Thanks everybody. Take care. Bye. Thank you. Bye. Thanks all. Um, so. Yeah, so what are, what are, I'm sorry, my brain's not totally plugged in here. What are, um, like next steps from that is, um, I mean, just, I think we should have a little bit more conversation about what are, what are next, yeah, what are next steps are. That makes sense. And I say one thing. So the original idea. The idea of hiring a constant company is that people will feel more comfortable to express their ideas. Right. Organizing meetings and whatever other things. Do you think they will still feel comfortable. Sharing their ideas. I think there should be some kind of, I hope I am right. Using, right, like middle. Middle person, right. Well, that's where I think using some of the consulting funds could be helpful in figuring out what would be the best. Interim, you know, next. Well, not even interim. What would be the best next step? Is it going directly to the focus groups? Is it something else? And I think that's where. Yeah, I feel like I don't have a strong vision and I haven't put the time in to make it, to think about what that looks like. Jeremy, did you have something? I was going to just respond. I think it, I think it depends. A lot of factors. I've. In my past and community engagement work. It's all about the setup. It's all about the questions. All about. Kind of. The issues as well. So I don't, I think it's possible to do. You know, maybe not in the focus groups because that's gotten to very sensitive. I think territory. But, you know, it's always what are the goals we're trying to achieve when we engage the community and. And what are the parameters of that? So. Yeah, I'm still unclear about. What the summit. Really was intended to do. So I agree with you, Michael. I don't think we're there yet. For some kind of a summit. So happy to like back off that. I think that's a really good point, Jeremy. It's like, what was the goal of the summit? And like, I, I know we. Know what it was to talk about. The steps that we've been doing. Here's the feedback we got from the other groups. Let's talk about it. Like, maybe. Well, maybe what we can discuss next meeting. Is, is going over the. Language in the proposal and the equity plan for the summit and see if we can brainstorm about other ways to get that information. Would that be useful? Cause I agree with Shayna. I've not thought about what the next steps are outside of this. Construct, right? This is the kind of roadmap we've been given to move this work forward. And now it's kind of like, oh, we, we literally cannot do that for health and safety reasons. What do we do now? So. That's, that's what I see. Maybe this group's next step is, is really trying to figure out another way to get at that same information. Mm-hmm. Go ahead. We need to have time to see what comes of the, the report that they submitted. We need a little bit of time to sort of let things happen so that we have something to report to people. And I had prepared a rather long piece that I sent to Shayna about, you know, my concerns about the summit. And, and I think. Once we, we, if we hold off and we start to see, and then, and then we start to see, that there are results of the, of the report that they, that the, the creative discourse submitted. Then I think we have a starting place for reporting to the, back to the community. And we, we can then start to think about, well, how are we going to reach. Reach. People and, and what segments or groups do we need to be in touch with in order to build the trust that the Susan Sue was talking about. In the meantime, I think, I don't know if Tom McCone is still planning to write an article about, about C. Jack. I think that would be helpful. I don't know if Tom McCone is still planning to write an article about, about C. Jack. I think that would be helpful. It's a way of establishing our, you know, trust. At least for those who will read the bridge. Or I think that's where he's planning to put it. And we can, you know, use, use the time to sort of gather information we need to, I think it'll be helpful to find out what, you know, have another meeting of the committee. The committees to see what kind of progress or changes they're making and, and where we can be helpful. I think we've, we've started to. Think about a couple of specific. Topics. Housing. For example. So. I think we just need to, you know, use the time to sort of gather information we need to, I think it'll be helpful to find out what, you know, have another meeting of the committee. The committees. To see what kind of progress. What changes they're making and where we can be helpful. I think we've, we've started to. So I think we, I have, I have. Not a roadmap, but we have at least a map somewhere. About, you know, what, what's out there and what we, and what we can do somewhere to go. We have established connections with different community, different groups. And so I think we can work on that. And summits are notoriously failures. I mean. I mean, I think about, I think about the, the different summits that have happened in our lifetimes. And what has come out of them, you know. So I was not real fan of this from the beginning, but. But I, but I, and I'm kind of relieved that they pulled out. So that we didn't, we have to be the ones. If we were going to do it to say, let's not do this, but. So it sounds like our next steps are to. And as like consultants, the support is in the process to have the, the committee and committees meeting to support the. Working on the solutions that they offered in their equity report. And then do I don't know, do we want to give ourselves a timeline to circle back? You know, does it make sense then like July to. Like circle back about like bigger. Like next steps, next steps where, yeah, what is. Or in the end, what, what else am I missing from what's being said? Sorry, I'm not taking good notes. Well, if I may. I have to remember we are an advisory committee to the council. Yeah. And, and I think. What we need to, what we need to do is to get information now. And then pass that along. And I think I was obviously Cameron. And passing information to the council based on who worked with. With the city city staff. And. And our work, I think, is to try to. To gather information from the, the people who are not staff. And that's why I think it's crucial to be working with the committee. You know, the committee on committees. And find out what they're doing, what, where they see their next step going and then. Can, you know, combine that information with what Cameron is collecting from her. And people she works with. You know, then make, make, make some presentation to the, try to figure out what we can say to the council about where we think the next steps are going. I like the idea of having another committee on committees meeting and then talk through the equity report. I, we didn't do that in the last one. It was more of like a get to know you. Right. Check in with people. Yeah. Maybe you have time to give, to give sort of updates on what the city is doing with the report. And then how those groups can assist. I like that Cameron. I think. I do feel, I saw really positive feelings about how that committee. Committees meeting went. And the groundwork that was laid. And so. Getting more specific with what came out of the equity report. Makes sense to me too. I think it's a good idea. I think it's a good idea. I think it's a good idea. I think it's a good idea. I think it's a good idea because they're like. Just another tangible next step to get folks thinking more about. The action to take. On equity. Um, Should we dive into that? Yeah. I think we did that about like six weeks timeline last time. I just took the calendar six weeks from now is end of the year. And so yeah, I don't know if we did that like the first week of March, you know, like the week of March 7th. Does that make sense for. For folks with, with really this goal of. You know, probably like doing outreach about the, the equity report. This stipends on the budget. Sharing more about the equity summit. The equity report and the next steps there and continue to build the relationships are those kinds of main goals. I could see. No, good. Once we get into the agenda design, like. Kind of using the recommendations. So, but yeah, I think that's basically. Right. Michael, you look like you're about to say something. No. Just. Sorry. Just. You don't have to raise your hand, but you do. Shout out. Should we. Pick a time, pick a day. Like, does that. Should we do that right now? And so then we can kind of get it on the agenda and start doing the outreach. Yeah. I think. Do we do an evening time slot the first time? Yeah. Yeah. I guess I don't, you know, Wednesday is normally city council or or. School board. So I can't remember what day we did it last time. It's not coming up immediately, but like Tuesday, the eighth or say the 10th. So looking at calendars, I usually recommend Monday, Friday, at least likely to have another meeting. Friday is basically nobody has committee meetings. Because we don't want to run up against another meeting, right? So. I would recommend a Monday because Fridays, you know, people are starting. They're finished with the week, you know, with the work week. And so I think a Monday was a good idea. I would move it back a little bit. I think the. It is always a kind of a cleanup period after, after election. Yeah. So I would, I would go to the middle or to the end of March. I think there's no harm in, we don't have to rush into this, but I think. I like the idea of, yeah, make sure we avoid any conflict with other committees. So if Monday is a good time, I would go for a Monday in late March or early April. So I would go to the middle or to the end of March. I think there's no harm in, we don't have to rush into this, but I think. I like the idea of. Yeah. I would go for a Monday in late March or early April. Just a note. I'm going to be gone for about three weeks. March 20th to April. Whatever that means. That's exciting. Are you traveling? Yeah, we're, we're. We bit the bullet. We made plans. We got to do what you got to do. Hope it's somewhere warm. Warmer or not. It's not. We're going to Spain to visit some friends. It'll be to our Vermont blood. It'll be very mild. Short, so it'll be good. We get to 30. It's mild. Yeah, right. See. So let's throw out some dates. March 14th. April 11th. April 18th. I'll work for me. I would say. Would be good. 18th is Easter Monday. Oh yeah. I clearly do not have holidays for 2022 on my calendar yet. So. When is the, do we know when school is out? Yeah. For the, you know, for the spring, spring break. Helen looking at you. No school break. I have a break. March. But I don't know my kids. I don't know. So spring break for the high schools is April 18th. Through the 22nd. So April 11th. Good day. Yes. Maybe 530 to seven. I like that. We're calling it that. It makes no sense. And I love it very much. Yeah. I'm going to send a hold to everyone right now. Just so everyone has it. Great. And then you'll put that on the. City calendar and yeah, hold it out. Perfect. So we can talk more about, we'll have time to talk more about the agenda and things for that. Coming up. Just. I'm like, in the interest of time, but it's only 835. Yeah. Yeah. Anything else for the committee and committee is right now, I guess. Look at it, Michael. Back to talk again. Sorry. Just kidding. I'm trying to think about how we. Do we ask. Some other folks to come besides just committee. Besides committee members or chairs. Do we want to get any presentations? I don't think we need to have any more presentations from. The discord. We just have to circulate the report again to them. But I'm thinking about, for example, we, we now have a contact with the, with someone about the housing, you know, what's coming down the road for housing. We want that to be part of a presence of presentation. I don't think that's going to happen. Because it would have some impact on what other, what some of the committees are doing. I can think of, you know, at least three or four. Companies where more information about what's going, what the possibilities for housing. That money that may. How that might help the city. Planting planning. I don't know if there's. Is there anybody else or any other issue that we're. We've taken up yet. I think the. I imagine the goal being more about. Each committee reflecting on the recommendations. And kind of imagining within their scope of work. How they might. Kind of fold those in. And then, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, the things that are doing this committee. So I don't know about picking any specific topic. To go deep on. I think it's. It's still more of. Kind of reaction to the equity recommendations and thinking about. How committees move forward with them. Okay. And thinking about primarily with like this. Not primarily. Including. You know, I don't know. I don't know about that. Jeremy, do you want to just give a quick update on the stipend. Budget. Report back. Yeah, so long ago. So my personal big takeaway. From that. City council meeting was. You know, I think it was really important for our city staff and counselors. And the tireless, you know, kind of work. It takes to run a city. That was a long one. And, you know, people are just really committed. To doing the work of keeping our city. Running. And so that was really impressive to me. It was very interesting. And I'm considering stipend. It looked like it was going to tank tank. I think there was some, some voices. Either ambivalent about it or feeling it wasn't. A thing to be doing right now to include in the budget. But then I think we had some, some great advocacy from. The mayor and Lauren, of course. You know, reminding folks why the stipend, what the, what the stipend is really trying to do. And how it's important to building kind of equitable participation in city government. And so I think that that was enough to convince some folks who were on the fence. And I think also just reiterating the fact that this is a pilot. It's a small scale of test. I think folks didn't quite have that on the, on council didn't quite have that kind of perspective when they were thinking about it. So that was really helpful thing to reinforce. And so in the end, it was, I think it was a positive response. And I think the budget amount we had suggested was maintained. Now that was quite a few weeks ago. So I don't know where things are now, but you know, I thought it was a good discussion. And at that moment, council was in support of including in the budget. So I don't know if Cameron, you have other updates since then to share. No, it hasn't been removed or anything that is in the final budget that council will be having public hearings on. So it'll be a good time if you all want to come and reemphasize support for that. If that's something you're up to doing, but, you know, it's still in the budget. You're fine to walk through your, it's still in the budget. The sort of what I could see being a really important next step for this committee before 2020, 2023 budget kicks in is coming back to council with a full. So that they can, you know, be comfortable with that. So your implementation sort of protocol and how you see that working fully fleshed out what committees should be included a couple. Honestly, I would see a couple of different proposals coming to council because that was the biggest chunk. What Jeremy said. Of that conversation really was like who would get it versus. It was an interesting in the weeds conversation about a concept that was presented. So. But I, but I saw like meeting the implementation. What committee should be included. And just giving that back to council. Before. You know, the summer when, if the, if this passes the budget, right. That's what, but otherwise, you know, I thought it was a really interesting. Introduction to the concept. For those of us who missed it, what date was that? I mean, we can go back and look at the, look at the video of it. Do you remember when that was? No, but I'll put a link in the minutes to it. So you can watch it. Good. Thank you. Right now. So I remember to do that. Yeah. Minor detail. Lesson learned for me is when you send a spreadsheet with multiple worksheet tabs, you need to really. Tell people that they're there because. That's another thing that happened when I sent the spreadsheet. People didn't realize there were these different scenarios. To review. And so they don't have to do that. And so they just found the one that opened up the spreadsheet and another like detail that. Got missed, but. Yeah. Shayna. We have not done the minutes and stuff. And I just want to make sure we. Thank you. Sorry. I didn't see the minutes and I'm sure I. Should just pull them up. Yep. They were attached to the invite. And they're always on our website. Always on the website. I know that's what I was like. Work hard enough. Here we go. Also, you know, as I'm staring at these, as I'm just like talking out loud in my brain. Getting Essex to come in in a couple of months. Yeah. Yeah. Should we do that? Like the week before the. You know, the meeting before the. Before or after the April committee and committee's meeting. My recommendation to y'all is to wait until after. So you can do the committee on committees and then you can focus. On questions. Yeah. And responding to that. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm just pulling up the minutes. Still being. Yeah, I don't know if this is. Thing that was happening with them. The community fund too. If I pull it up in there, it's just like a white page. And it's not giving me the minutes. So it still seems to not be working. For me. If I send the link for folks. Okay. Or share a screen or something. Yeah, but I get the agenda. Which is what. Yeah. Me too. Okay. Oh, that is a long link. Yeah. That's not working for me either. Do you want to just share your screen? Does that make sense? Yeah, I will do that right now. Sorry. I think it's working for other people. Sorry. I lost stuff going on. There we go. Awesome. The next. Memo. That we talked about. Okay. Cool. I don't want to make a motion to approve. I'll move that. Make that motion. Michael. Helen, do you want a second? I second. Any opposed? Awesome. We've got our minutes. Can we send the link so that we can. I can download it on my files. Yes. Do you see the chat? Yes. That's the link. To the website. I hope that works for you. If it doesn't, let me know and I'll just send it to you as an attachment. Whoa. That's quite a little bit of a dress. No, it's a, it's an intense link. Yeah. Sorry. Wow. I'll just send it out again as an attachment. It is in your invite as an attachment. Hopefully I'll just send it out again. So you have it. Okay. I'll send out all the things as attachments. All right. Thank you. And then does anyone have any other. I'll comment learning round table report backs from other committees. Anything else to discuss? I will just ask a question. Sorry. Sorry. Do we have any. Information on them? I am an immigrant, right? So I just wonder. How we communicate. With them what's happening. And I see a couple of people, not that much. But there must be some. We can reach out. I think it is also a great opportunity. So I just want to bring this. We don't have to talk about it. But I have been thinking this for a while. So what can we do for them? What's happening because they are really. Invisible. You know, so if we want to. Include people for this volunteer. City birds. So about reaching out. Immigrants too. So. Just the idea for. For the future. Discussions. Yeah, I think we mostly we're approaching that through like the English language learning. Piece of it. And that that was one of the priorities coming out. That's kind of like, I don't know, it's a frame or the approach for it. And that came out. As one of the big priorities. And I think it's. I think it's a good idea. I think it's a good idea. For the future. Discussions. Yeah, I think we mostly were approaching that through like the English. Language learning. Piece of it. And that, I think it's a good idea. As one of the big priorities of the equity report that the city is working on. Doing like. Concerted outreach to English language learners. And to. And providing. You know, language specific outreach and. I'm working with the schools on, on developing that. And so, yeah, I don't know. I don't know if we have that right now or. No, I mean, we have a line. You know, you know, as we go through this recommendation, that one is. One that I think I would need help with. And I really do what Pellin's point is, is like, how do we connect with like refugee action networks or something like that? Like really. You know, like I have a, I have a, we have the recommendation for increased language access, right? But like, is that what actually, is that what people need? We don't, I don't know. I don't know. You can walk through. We did, we did make a connection to adult basic education. Way back when we started talking about this and we, we didn't do anything with it. Except I think. You know, you know, we tried to, you know, figure out if there was a language that we should, you know, get translation for some of our announcements, but they are an obvious, an obvious group. The other group that comes to mind to me is, is one of the other committees that I sit on the. The other. The other. This is gone. And that is the community friend. We made, made. I don't. I think 19 of the 36. The next grants that we recommended to the council are for service organizations, human services organizations that can that operate in the county or in the area and, and those would be a good. That's another constituency where where we could go to like the committee on committees we could invite those people those organizations that received grants from the city. So the board to, you know, meeting also similar similar to the committee on committees, because they are the ones who have connections to all the different groups that we are talking about who are especially marginalized groups. Sorry, Michael. There's a safe place I think in the capital plus, but they are helping with the citizenship test and, and other, maybe they, they might know some data. You know, should we, you know, reach out to them, you know, I, when I walk by I cannot I don't know how to do. I don't remember the name of the office. Maybe you remember it's like when you go to capital plus and walk to the j morgans it is left side. That's all basic education right. That's the adult basic education. Yeah, okay. Yeah, that's fun. I mean, I, the last time I spoke with them. There was a small number of people who were using that service, but they, they might have the connections to organizations that are working with. Right, I think Cameron said there's also the central Vermont refugee action network which is volunteer run group that started in 2018 that's been doing a lot of work with afghan refugees as well as the kind of whatnot like not through the refugee program but asylum seekers and things like that. So, um, I think let's maybe like hold on to that conversation for now we can kind of mull on it as well about like what that looks like. If that makes sense. Yeah. Great. All right, well, um, have a good couple of weeks all and we're meeting again on January 26. All right. All right. Bye. Bye.