 Blue Ricardo, can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. Can you hear me? Yes, I can. Thank you. I just dropped you a message on Slack. I won't be able to be unmuted very much. So will you be able to run the meeting today? Yeah. Awesome. Thank you. All right, let's wait for some more people to show up. Yeah, this is my first time attending this meeting. How many people do we normally get? I noticed there were very few on the invite list. Yeah. So we, we've been getting like maybe. Six to eight people. Oh, okay. That's fine. Thank you. Yeah. But today there's no presentation on the agenda. So I don't know. We might not get a lot of attendance. Hey, Quinn. Are you there? Yep, I am. So I was just wondering if you have any thoughts on. On getting more participation basically on getting some of more of the folks. Involved. I mean, we've been kind of a little bit light on, I mean, I know it's kind of early. The sick has in has, you know, what, like two months. But, you know, like to get your thoughts on more participation. If you have any. Yeah, I was thinking, thinking along the same lines actually. So I don't know, I haven't looked recently, how many people subscribed to the mailing list. But I don't know if there are people on the mailing list who perhaps are not on the invite because of the invite problems that we discussed the other day with Amy. Yeah. So that would be, I think the first thing is to send invites to all the people on the mailing list. And then beyond that, I think we should post to the TOC mailing list. Because there are a lot of people there who are interested in what the TOC is doing, which is, you know, basically what the SIGs are doing and plus the TOC. So I think those would be the two first steps I would take. And you'll see what what kind of response comes out of there. Okay, great. Yeah, sounds good. So I'll send that on email to the TOC mailing list. Ask for more participation and see if I can. So we, I think we were added to the meeting so I'll go ahead and see if I could send the invite to the whole mailing list. I don't know how many we have I think maybe we have around 30 because on the Slack channel we have about 30, 31 people like that. But we've been kind of light. I mean, I've looked at some of the other groups and they've actually getting more, more interest, like, for example, SIGs observability. They're not even created, but they already have a little bit more participation. Yeah, I'm sorry. I've been pretty slack for the last several months. I've been on vacation and then change jobs and so my life has been a bit busy. So I will be able to get a little more involved from now on. Maybe you and I can sit down and put together a kind of an agenda for the next few months. There's quite a lot of stuff that we need to do. We just have to kind of get a bit organized, I think, and I'm partly responsible for that. So maybe you and I set some time out in the next two weeks and we put a plan together and publish that. And then, in fact, maybe hold out on the email to the TOC mailing list until we have that sort of plan of action for the next few months. What you can do in the meantime is definitely invite those 30 odd people that are on the mailing list or the Slack channel that haven't got the invite yet because I think that's just a technical problem. The invites don't go out automatically. And so that's one of the reasons why I've been missing these meetings. I actually wasn't sure when they were, they weren't my calendar, et cetera. And I suspect other people may be in similar position. Yeah, that sounds good. So do you want to set up a meeting then later on? You're local in the Bay Area, right? So maybe we can... Yeah, that's right. We can meet in person if that works. I'll get you on Slack and we'll put the time together. Yeah, yeah. So I'm in some material. So I'll be happy to meet for coffee or something. Yeah. Sounds great. Yeah. So we have somebody else on the call. So Pranay, would you like to introduce yourself? Hey folks, hi. This is Pranay. I am from Bangalore, India. I was just trying to understand how does the Kubernetes ecosystem work? And I thought I'd jump on one of the community calls. So, yeah. Just like very new to the whole ecosystem. So yeah, that's part of it. Great. Yeah. So we are part of one of the CNCF-6 runtime. So there are several six. So runtime is more targeted for how you run things in cloud-native environments. So Kubernetes, containers, AI type of workload. So different ways of you can run things in cloud-native environments. So if you have any interest in that, it will be great to have your participation. And yeah. And if you know anybody else who might be interested too, we'd love to have more people involved. And how do these community calls work in general? So I saw the document, but there was no detailed field. So I'm not sure. Like on a typical meetup or like typical call, how does things happen? So generally, we come up with an agenda. So the agenda is built by the community. I mean, there are six chairs. And six chairs can add some items there as well. Or tech leads in the SIG. But our community is also open to add items there if they want to discuss anything. So related to the SIG. So in this case, it's SIG runtime. Got it. So I guess, so we don't, we don't have any discussion items for today. No, we don't. Well, well, I actually added a few items. So we finally merged the PR for our charter. So thanks Quinton for finishing that up. And yeah, so we're looking for more people. And, and then the, the other update is that we have. Keep calm postponed until July, August. So there was a lot of talk in the community. About, you know, maybe canceling it or what was going to happen because of the corona virus. So the CNCF actually came out with a statement yesterday about postponing it until July or August. And then so hopefully we'll, we'll have enough people around that time so, so we can have some sort of meeting with the SIG runtime community. Who so do we leave now. Yeah, yeah, so perfect. Quinton, do you have anything else or we can just. I'll do the questions out there. I thought I would just add to what you said, Ricardo. So, so our primary functions are, so there's a set of areas that are covered by the CNCF that are within the scope of the SIG. So there are about six or so seven SIGs. Networking, security, storage, runtime, etc. And our primary responsibilities are. Firstly, to, to communicate with the public, all of the kind of information relating to those areas. And that comprises existing projects in the CNCF. So in our case that's Kubernetes and anything related to containers, container registries, container run times, etc. So to plot out a sort of like a future course for the CNCF it within that space. So if we feel for example that there are areas that we are not covered by so we missing projects in particular areas. If there are particular interesting projects that we believe would benefit from being in the CNCF. We can proactively approach them about it and conversely any projects in our area that want to engage with the CNCF. The first point of four would be the SIG. So they would, for example, perhaps present their project to us, explain why they think it should fit into the CNCF. Those kinds of things. And then of course the health and welfare of the of the existing projects. So doing things if they want to graduate or move from, you know, the earlier stages to incubation and graduation we are the people responsible for helping them do that. And also just generally making sure that they're happy and healthy and getting what they want to out of the CNCF. And if not, we are sort of the people responsible for identifying problems, bring them to the attention of the TSE or resolving them ourselves. Okay, got it. And just one question. Are the meet videos of the last meeting published on there. Like if I want to see how do the other meetings go, is it published on YouTube or Vimeo somewhere? That's, that's correct. Yeah. So the, the, the meetings are posted on the CNCF YouTube channel. So this meeting will be posted there. So any other previous meetings are also posted there. And also all the other meetings from the TSE and the meetings from all the, all the other six. So if you want to catch up with some of the items you can, you know, go there and watch the meetings. And Ricardo, have we been publishing written minutes? No, we have, we're looking for some participation in that area, basically, so in terms of having scribes. And then, and yeah, that's the other item that I had in mind for, you know, to discuss. So I know that another security has been doing it, but some of the other six I haven't been doing some of the minutes because I think they probably need more participation, right. So somebody needs to run the meeting and then somebody needs to be listening to what's going on and typing the minutes. I think that that's a to do item for you and I is one to, until we find somebody to between the two of us, keep the minutes up to date. And also find someone who can do that, ideally more than one person who can rotate doing that job. Right, right. Exactly. Yeah. Do we have any volunteers on the call? I don't think we do so. So I, so if we're on for next meeting, you know, either you and I can do it basically, that's what I'm thinking, right. So that also if we have more people right so I mean for in the past is just me running the meetings right but if we have somebody else and we're, and as we get more participation, we can get more help. In all honesty, that's actually totally in all of the rest of the SIGs right now. Like SIG storage has their agendas and their recordings up. SIG security is the only one that's really big enough to be able to have like scribes and like big working groups. So I would kind of put that on like a back burner like as you get more people in here. And I'm more inclined to be able to focus on being able to get the project reviews. And I'm like, and you guys have done a fantastic job of being able to make sure that the project reviews are happening on a regular basis and that things are moving in here. So focus on that before you focus on like meeting minute note. All of these are recorded. It'll be fine. Cool. Swoop in and like, hi. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Quentin, do you have any thoughts on that? No, that sounds great. I personally am one who kind of likes minutes because it's good to kind of condense decisions taken, you know, most important points. I think forcing everyone to watch a one hour video to get, you know, a few decisions or salient points is rather arduous on the viewers. But yes, I mean, it's all academic until we have more participation. So let's focus on that. Sounds good. Okay. Cool. See you guys in two weeks. And hopefully we will get together before then and and get some more participation and get a bit more organized with agendas and things. Cool. Sounds good. Good stuff on the agenda for the next time. Have fun. Bye all. Bye.