 Okay. Yeah. Give me an example. You're African-American. I'm black. I'm not from Africa. Your ancestors are not from Africa? My ancestors are, but I'm not African-American. I'm black. So you prefer to be called black? I am black. You are definitely black. You are very dark brown. So if there's a guy from South Africa who's got his... Yeah, yeah, no, no. But really it's like, is there anything that you surely believe or like the story that you're telling about? Like how you said you... I don't remember what we're talking about. You're an agnostic Buddhist? Oh, yeah. I don't want to put a label on myself. I was just trying to use a descriptor. I get it. You were afraid to talk to people about Christianity because you don't want to be included? Because I was a very Christian. I grew up in a Christian church. Okay. By the way, I'm Thai. I normally... because they have not seen this introduction. And is this a camera? Yes. So I don't... I don't want to be sitting like this. I can show you another thing. But yeah. So you speak religious not religious as... I was more than religious. I wanted to be a missionary when I was a little girl. I see. I wanted to be a missionary in Africa. This is what they look like. You know. They make them smaller than us. What? What is this? This is a camera. In this costume? No. It's like 70 bucks. So you can set up multiple shots. I sometimes have a third one over here and you can Bluetooth control them with your phone to turn on and off as you... So what do you do to make a living? I'm a lab manager at a Fortune 250. A Fortune 250? That's a company. No. It's the top 250 companies. No. What company? Parker. Parker. I don't think it's an engineering firm. Yeah. Okay. Parker Hanifan, I know who you are. Okay. Okay. I work in business. So you have a good job. Thanks. So this is very interesting. At some point I need to talk to you professionally. Okay. I got my contact. I'm not ready just yet. But that's a good thing. That's very interesting. So you just put them on these little spot pods. So you can set them up. So you've got one angle that you... Right. Now where's your monitor to see what it looks like? They're right here on the back. When you turn it on you go a little touch screen. So you can see what I look like there? Exactly. So as long as I set up the angles to begin with, they got a little bit of a fisheye. And then I call them and post them. Interesting. Yeah. So like there. You can see the screen on the back. Yeah. That's not bad. 70 bucks. How much was this? 99. This is a mid-range. This is a low tier mid-range microphone. Is it omnidirectional or omnidirectional? No, it's just two. These are old-age microphone pointed at me, pointed at you. Right. And then I have the mouse pad here to absorb some of the sound that comes from the table. And are you able to edit out the noise? Yeah, to a pretty good extent. Yeah. When I first started out, not so much, but I learned through that process as well. The music and this have helped each other to make my mixing a lot better. So like typically what I do is I drop the low end. So this has two tracks? It has two tracks. Correct. Yes. All right. So you can set the levels and stuff. Once you get it in, you can adjust the levels. Yeah. So if I'm speaking softly, you can turn it on. Exactly. I can even set the levels live by just pushing up and down on these buttons right here. That's amazing. It's really nice, isn't it? Yeah. Sorry. No, you're good. I geek out on stuff. I love it. All right. So you wanted to know if we were talking about... You don't like labels. Why don't you like labels? Because I think labels keep us from connecting with each other. Labels keep us from connecting with each other. Oh! Can we talk about that for five minutes? Yes, we can talk about it. Whatever you want to talk about. That's great. Okay. So what do you mean by labels keep us from connecting with each other? Okay. Yeah. Give me an example. You're African-American. I'm black. I'm not from Africa. Your ancestors are not from Africa? My ancestors are, but I'm not African-American. I'm black. So you prefer to be called black? I am black. You are definitely black. You're all very dark brown. So if there's a guy from South Africa who got his green card, he would be African-American. Well, they think they're Africans. But if he got a green card for America, he would be a citizen in America. That's why he would have the legal right to work. Very young. Doctor. Sure. Do you mean we're going to be precise with our language, Mr. Black? Sure, sure. But like, some people are white, some people are black. That's what it is. Some people are brown. Some people are brown. You could be whatever color you want. But like, as far as like 2019 is concerned, black people of color who are like me are called black, or prefer to be called black. That is really good to know because, you know, when I grew up, it used to be Negro, then it was black. It used to be colored? Yeah. Then Afro-American, then African-American, now black. No, no, it was black. It was black? Black and black? Yes. In the 60s and 70s, people wanted to be called black because black is beautiful, the black panthers. So it was say it loud. Say it black. I'm black and I'm proud. I'm black and I'm proud. Exactly. And then, then with the area of political correctness, then everybody was African-American. So political correctness tends to be a generation behind them, a lot of things, and regress it for the most part. Yeah. So I prefer black personally. Me too. Yeah, me too. And, but, so you are a black man. Yeah, yeah. And I'm a white woman. Yeah. That's what I was going to tell. Okay. You put me out in that sun and I turn red. Sure, sure. That's very white. Me too, eventually, yeah. Yeah. Black people don't, they don't get the early indications of sunburn. It only happens. Does that make sense? Oh man, it's gotta be really hard to. It sucks. It sucks. So like you go outside and everything feels good. And then all of a sudden, you're just blistering like crazy. Oh man. It's like, there's no graying of like, hey, I feel a little itchy here. Yeah, because you can't see it. But you probably can feel it. Not so much. Because typically when you're outside doing stuff, you're like in the moment. It's not until it's like too bad. It's like, oh my gosh, I really hurt myself. I need to go inside. And there's like no sun lotion because you're black. You don't normally get that. It's a bit of a tangent. No, that's interesting. I've wanted to ask my black friends that. Okay. It's not something that I felt comfortable asking. But what's the problem with as far as labels go? You're a white woman that helps me contextualize things. So in terms of, no, it doesn't. Oh, okay. It doesn't. Because what I started to say is, so you actually the whole detour we did about African American, there are black people that want to be called African Americans. No doubts. No doubt. And they are not Africans who have come here. Correct. They are descendants of slaves. Correct. Here and they want to be called African Americans. Yeah. Or even just literal people who immigrated from Africa who are black and are from Africa, you know. They want to be called African Americans. They want to be called African American as well. Well, no. Or even African American. Some do. I had a girlfriend who wanted to be African American. Okay. So it's all mixed up. Well, my girlfriend who's from Uganda, she's like, my daughter, she definitely looks down her nose at black women who would prefer to be called African Americans. Okay. So there's different people in the world. Yes, there are. So what I like about labels is that it makes it easier to prejudge. Sure. And instead of be in the moment with another person and connect with them. And that's why I don't like labels. Is there any benefit to, as long as the label is kind of ties with healthy aspects to a person, a label could be used to quickly understand somewhere? It's a shortcut, right? Yeah. So I didn't say I don't use labels. I didn't say I don't like labels. Okay. I use labels all the time. Sure. Because for the shortcut, because it helps you. But I think you have, for me, so this is all, I'm being, this is all subjective. Sure, sure, sure. I'm not pronouncing other people. This is my own way of navigating through life. I think it's really important to be mindful when using the labels so that you don't put people in a box. Sure, yes. And so more importantly, I don't put myself in a box. Yeah. Can I throw something out? I feel like for me, a label is sort of like more porous than a box. It's just a stepping stone that allows me to more quickly understand what someone's talking about. But from there, they're at a higher vantage point where they can step anywhere else they need to for me to like really clarify. So someone says, hey, you know, like, I don't know, it's a good stereotype. I'm a black guy, and I'm this thing and I'm not that thing. I was like, okay, I know those three things. I have a good basic building block for dealing with this guy. And I can still have a position to learn more from that person. It's not a, for me, a destination. It's just like stepping stones along the journey of getting to know somebody. Right. Sort of like road signs. Yeah. It's an interesting way to think about it. I definitely see people being too reliant on a label and making that closed-minded on what the potential of that person to be doing that. Well, I think that happens a lot. I do too. So my brother, my brother on the phone, he jumped in about, I don't know, there was a black guy who did something, shot a cop or something in the news a couple of weeks ago. I don't remember the exact story. He was quick to jump on. Did you hear about that black guy? Oh. That black guy. You know, he wanted to make sure I knew it was a black guy. A little too fast? A little too fast? Yeah. I mean, no, it's just, you know, it's, and... Could I throw something out? Hear me out. You can throw out whatever it's your conversation. I don't, it's ours, we're sharing it. But I don't, it's not that I identify as a black guy. It's that people identify me as a black guy. I probably see myself the same way you see yourself the same way any of these people outside see themselves. But as far as how other people see us, that is the distinction. Yeah, people see me as so, so, but that's, that's interesting too, because people see me. I'm a silver-haired boomer. I'm sick, going to be 66 years old. They might see me as the nice little grandma next door, which I don't think of myself that way. I am a grandmother. I am nothing like the way I look. I am nothing like the way I look. But the way you see yourself versus the way how other people see you is the only reason why that label exists. But then they get shocked because I am so different from the way I look. And I don't know that I could maybe dress differently, but it wouldn't work because I look like, I look like, when I was younger, I looked like the girl next door. I look like the average woman and I am not. And it used to be off-putting to people and probably still is. So it just is what it is. So there again, they get very shocked when I open my mouth. But if you dress differently, it's not to the benefit so you can better identify with yourself. It's so that other people can identify with you. I don't know. How would I dress to let people know who I am? And is that important? I really kind of think that anybody I want to connect with that I could potentially want to connect with would want to get past the veneer to see who I really am. In that same aspect, it seems like the veneer of how we present ourselves to people is also sort of like a label in its own right. Like again, I know you don't like it. Yes, that's right. No, that's right. That's right. But so when I say I'm kind of an agnostic Buddhist, I was trying to be descriptive by saying I'm a white woman with silver hair. Sure, sure, sure. And I wear glasses. And then you can converse more to learn from there and then go whatever it takes. Yeah, but saying I'm a white woman doesn't tell you that I have a daughter-in-law who's Filipino. Right. And then I have a granddaughter who is half Filipino and half white. Or that you're particularly good at gangster rap. I am not, but I've done house music. Okay, very cool. Very good. Yeah. All right, cool. Labels as connections to people, it can connect as a shortcut, but don't rely on them too much. I liked the way you said that instead of it being a box, it can be porous. Yeah. So it's just a descriptor like saying the grass is green, the trees are deciduous, so some are evergreen. Some are softwoods. You know, an oak tree. You know, if we're like that about labels, that's a healthy way to be. But having all these things, that's an oak tree. All oak trees can be in your backyard. They can be kind of a container on the streets of New York. It's true. They can be on a farm. They can be out on a field. They can be in a lot of different contexts. Exactly. And oak trees are different according to the context. Very true. Keep your mind open basically. Well, and have a sense of discovery about the world. I love it. Cat. Patricia. Pat. Pat. Pat. Pat. Pat. Pat. Let's dig in.