 Okay, so I'm calling the meeting to order at one minute and as Sandy Levine. Your end is coming in. Who else is on? Okay. Yeah, I consider her a regular. Yeah, a frequent flyer. Amendments to the agenda. None, from my end. I just like to have a quick conversation and update on the offer funds issue. I did get that letter. You sent out, but I just like to talk about it for a minute at the end of the meeting. No action will be taken. It's warned at the bottom of the, it's warned at the current agenda under Treasurer's Report. Oh, all right. Okay. Well, let's take care of that then. Okay. And just a little brief conversation about the town email. Those are the only things I have. Anybody else have anything? Okay. So with that, Sandy, update by the planning commission chair, Sandy Glevain on better places grant. Thanks. I wanted to provide an update on this grant. The work should wrap up by the end of the month. Unfortunately, I don't have much of substance to provide with you. This was a grant that the town of Middlesex received for building two overlooks on Camp Mead property by the river and then having a trail that would connect those with public access to those trails. The work that the town needs to do is develop an easement or some other agreement with planetary matters folks to have public access, to guarantee public access to the overlooks and the planetary matters folks are doing the rest of the work themselves. We did request an extension for one month. The work was supposed to be completed by the end of August, but that didn't happen. It will be completed by the end of September and we will be, I'm awaiting a contract amendment from the Department of Health. I had hoped to have that to present to you all. So you would have that, but I don't have it yet, but I expect to have that soon. And then the other piece of it that the select board at some point will need to review would be the easement or license agreement or the public access agreement that would provide permanent public access to towns, people or members of the public on the trails that would be on Camp Mead property. There's been some back and forth between, I've been working with the town attorney and with Russ Bennett, but that is not yet finalized, but hope to get that completed in the next week or so. Apologize it's not done and ready for this meeting, but that's the update and I expect to have it done soon. Okay, thank you, Sandy. Any questions, anyone? Yep, Sandy, is that the only easement that they need? Yes. Well, they will also, I believe, they will also need some permission from Velco, which has the overhead power lines. You know, I think they'll also need to put in a request with Velco for that. Okay. I have a question. Yes. So Sandy, did the permission go through from all the owners of the land? I thought there was some concern. Yeah, this is just, this is sort of phase one, the first step, and this was very specifically only on Camp Mead property. Okay. And the grant would pay for them to build two overlooks which are already designed and then there would be a public access which would start at the parking lot on Camp Mead and go to each of the two overlooks. It's only on Camp Mead property. Hopefully going forward we can build on that and maybe this can be a model to obtain some permission from other landowners, but this is just the very beginning of that. So Russ Bennett just joined the Zoom, huh, Russ? Do you have anything to add to one of the most heard Sandy's brief presentation on status? Russ? I heard the end of it, but can you hear me? Yes. Okay. Yeah. No, I don't think so. I mean, we're just fine tuning, I think, whatever the language is we'll guarantee that you have access to the overlooks, that kind of stuff. But we've been, we've made the footing boxes, we've done all that kind of stuff. So we wanna try and get it done by the end of September. And we're just moving forward anyway because this is our passion. Got it. Got it. But there are no issues in terms of the easement other than just working out the language so that it makes everybody happy. Yes. No, I think we all want the same thing, which is that this is the beginning of something that can grow and that it's not revocable by planetary matters or future landowners from the town. So, you know, we looked at an easement but an easement normally work the opposite way which somebody gets an easement so they can then do something on your property. So now we're sort of looking at a license because we're gonna do the doing. And it's just the attorneys will figure it out. Okay, perfect. Thank you. Anything else on this subject? Okay. Thank you, Sandy. Thank you, Russ. Highway Department update. Discussing discontinuance. Yeah, I'm gonna. I thought somebody wanted to be recognized. Discontinuance of Colby and Dolan Road, action unlikely. I think the balls in your court, we would like to do that. If, well, last time we talked, I think we were gonna decide, or the select board was gonna decide where they wanna move ahead. And the question was if somebody was gonna do something on down there on Colby's that we would be cutting them off or we'd have to go through the process of giving them access again. But I don't think there's any issue on Dolan Road as far as turning that into a trail because it's pretty hard to get around. Yeah. So is it the entirety of Dolan Road? It's just part of it, right? Yes. A little section just beyond off from Bulldark Road, it just goes in there with three houses there and then it starts and then it stops out. I think that's Donna Brown's house out on the end. I have a question. I was thinking about it this weekend because I was walking on it. And I wonder if in the event, the town, you know, long past our days here on this earth, but the town decided that it wanted to reopen it. Is it hard to turn it back from a trail to a regular road? I thought we were thinking we were downgrading it to class four. No, it's a class four now and it would become a trail. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. All right. Here I was. How is that problematic? Because, you know, there's a reason why that road was there to begin with, right? It joins two sections in middle six otherwise you have to go all the way around. And does that sort of stop us from ever having that opportunity in the future? I believe the answer to be no. We're still maintaining the town right away. I mean, it'd be a process. Right, but it's not like it when we threw up Merritt Road, it's theirs now. And you can't, like they own it. We're not doing that. We're downgrading it to a trail. So it still maintains the town. Right away. At least I believe that's what the proposal is, correct? Right. Yeah. Now, the only thing we accomplished by making it a trail I believe is that we have no obligation to maintain bridges or culverts or do anything with it. Because there's that one area where in fact somebody could come to us and say you need to replace the culvert, right? Maybe, possibly. That's correct. Yeah. And I don't know, I've been thinking about, I've been thinking about Colby Road. And I guess my thought on Colby Road, which is similar to the way some other people were thinking at the last meeting is, let's start the process and see what happens. We can always stop it. Correct. Yeah. Peter, may I speak to this? Colby Road, again, is it now class four and we're gonna make it a trail? I didn't. No, it's class three. Right, it's class three. So are we downgrading it to class four or to a trail? That's what you want. No, whatever your pleasure. Well, there are no bridges or culverts, right? John's on. Say I get to go. I'm sorry. Oh, just a minute, yeah. Peter, may I speak to this at some point? Yes. Now would be a good time. Good. I just wanted to, when I saw this was on the agenda for the meeting tonight, I just wanted to make clear that the town plan has fairly strong language to encouraging the town to maintain or to keep class four roads as public access to provide recreational opportunities for folks in town, that those are important town resources and that we shouldn't be giving up those rights of way because a lot of people use them as trails. And I just wanted, I didn't know what exactly the town was considering downgrading to a trail would maintain public access, though there would be some less maintenance of that going forward. Really, I think I'm right, Sandy. When I say the maintenance issue is that we're required to maintain culverts and bridges, if any. So really there isn't very much difference. And in the case of Colby Road, I don't think there's any difference. Is Colby the road that all that land is selling on? Yes. Okay. As you come up center road from the interstate, it's all growing in now because it hasn't been, we haven't been doing anything to maintain it. Has it sold? The land has sold, correct Sarah? Oh yes, it's sold. That's for us. And is there a reason why we suddenly want to downgrade it to something else if they're going to be using it to say build housing or something like that? Well, that was the discussion at our last meeting. That's the point I brought up at the last meeting. And other folks said, well, let the new owner participate in the process and give us a good reason why we shouldn't throw it up. So as I said- Who's the owner? Is it Russ Bennett sitting here? Downgrade it. I shouldn't say throw it up, downgrade it. Is it Russ Bennett sitting right here? Who's the new owner? Yes. Well, I'm part owner with another fellow. We're putting it in an LLC. So we'd like to see it stay as a class. We don't know exactly what we want to do, but we know in broad strokes, some of the things we'd like to do, which is create some housing, including affordable housing and moderate housing that would stay in perpetuity because we understand that crisis as well as anyone. And also make trails open, make it be accessible through some of the various different paths. And those kinds of things that are there. And we also, I just happened to be, and I think this is something that we can figure out how to fund is working on remodeling and building a large daycare center in Wakefield that where small dogs used to be. And the need is bottomless for really quality good daycare. So that's something we'd like to include in the mix there. And then the other thing that we've sort of broad stroke in thinking about are making everything be net and having enough solar work in around to be able to be completely associated from all fossil fuels. You're doing exactly what I wanted to do if I'd had the money. So I guess the question, I mean... I don't have money, but some people do. The other thing I would just bring up is remember that in our throwing up ancient roads process, we maintained the other end of that road which circles up over the hill and goes past Ruth's Pope's house. Correct. Do you know where everybody know where that is? So there is a trail which connects to that road. So... Peter, I would also say that with regards to Colby Road, that area of town has been identified in both our zoning and our town plan as an area where we want to have more development and to have mixed development. Right. So I don't know why the town would be considering downgrading a road in an area where we're trying to encourage more development. I totally agree. I do not think we should downgrade Colby. Given what I've heard about the purchase of it and some aspirations for it. Other thoughts, anyone? I agree. Okay. So I guess we're saying we're gonna take Colby, Colby off the list and leave it as is for the time being and leave you and your partners, Russ, to come up with some good stuff down there for our town. I mean, we want to support you believe me. No, we're phenomenally fortunate. I think all of us in that we all see the world similarly and we have this moment in time when we can do stuff. I think what we would do would also generate some tax revenue, which would make having a few of Class 3 roads still good. But I think we'll do like we did with Planetary Matters and come in and sort of do some broad stroke ideas about what we're thinking about the planning commission and the select board. So, we're not sort of secret SAM kinds of people. And then we can figure out how we can go together. It's gonna be another opportunity for Sandy and I to have a discussion about public trails. Well, I would just say as the sidebar comment, I've been watching that piece of land ever since I moved to town, which I think was 1974. And I've been looking forward to something good happening there. So, Godspeed as far as I'm concerned. So, yes. I have a comment. You know, the middle sex has a trails committee as I believe everybody knows. And one of the things the trails committee has been looking at over the past, I'd say eight months is really exploring our current right of ways as potential recreation areas, perhaps improving some of them, which are maybe not even that walkable, much less bikeable at this point. And I would say that the trails committee would really frown on any downgrading because the culverts are one of those areas that you come across on these old former roads now trails that are very hard to navigate. So if the town is trying to actually maintain an area where people can recreate without cars flying by, those are very important assets in the town. I just wanted everybody on the select board to keep that in mind when you have these kinds of discussions. Well said, Michael. I would say that, and I'm not exactly sure where the dividing line is between trail and class three, but it's basically down at the bottom of the hill, I believe where the turnaround is. But I knew that at the time we walked it during the... I think he's talking about road identification process, but I don't know exactly where it is now, but it's mostly trail all the way up over the hill and around, but anyway, I think we've made the decision for the time being that we're taking no action with regard to Colby Road, which sounds like what everybody... Sarah has a question. Yes, Sarah, I'm sorry. I just think that maybe Michael and Sandy are missing the point about Dolan Road, which was that Shane went out with Ashley Andrews from the Central Mont Regional Planning Commission and she said that that legal trail, that class four section was not being maintained as a class four section. The Talwood either have to make a choice, either do the necessary and expensive work to make it truly a class four section or else downgraded to a legal trail, and that's how we got here today. Yeah. Are there, do you know if there are standards for a legal trail in terms of maintenance? I think... I don't believe there are any standards for a trail. No, there are definitely standards for a class four. All right, so that's exactly the kind of thing that concerns me, that if it's gonna go to a trail and then it's left un-maintained, it won't be long before it's really not usable for much, other than a line on a map. So I'm not saying that it has to stay a class three or a class four, whatever road you're talking about, but maybe the standards should be written for a town trail. So that there's... I'll hear you with the problem, Michael. If the only difference between a... And we're getting off subject here, but if the only difference between a trail on a class four is maintaining bridges and culverts, we've already got that standard. Well, there's a lot of trails I've been on in the past four months that I would say are un-maintained for a long period of time. Trails are un-maintained for a long period of time. That's correct. So what I'm saying is that's not a really good standard for maintaining those as recreation corridors. Some people often... This is part of a completely different discussion. I can tell you having walked Nolan Road and aware of what the situation is there, Sarah is exactly correct. What was brought to our attention is we needed to spend probably, and I'm just throwing a number out there, but hundreds of thousands of dollars to make that road a class four road, bring it up to class four standards. And at this point in time is not the right time for us to be doing that. So she warned us that we needed to take action and that's what prompted this discussion. And that isn't to say that it's some day or some time in the future, the town couldn't allocate money to repair some of those trails and do work on them. Absolutely, but we've got our hands full with the roads that we have right now, I believe. Well, and isn't that part of the trail committee too? I mean, the town is not probably ever gonna have the time to be maintaining or mowing trails, but if the trail committees had that as one of their goals is to visit each trail and do whatever rush cutting or whatever they need to do to keep it walkable. Well, trouble is the walkable, the walkable, it may be rough, but they're walkable, but what they're not is is bikeable. You know, they're culverts that are out, they're bridges that are out, et cetera. And there you're talking about, that's where the big money comes in. Peter. Peter. I want to extend, I personally don't want to extend this, but I will leave you with this, that part of the reason we've been walking out there is to come up with sort of a current inventory and how we evaluate their condition. It's not totally arbitrary, but it's not a scientific evaluation. And then we do want to come to the select board with some ideas about the priorities for perhaps doing some more maintenance and things like that. So that's sort of the whole thing. That's all fine, that's good work. I think that's great. I just, we're trying to deal with this one particular situation right now. Well, what happens if we don't do anything? We don't do anything, we don't do anything, Mary, but I would also tell you, if we decide to go ahead with this, this is just the start of, we know what the, we have experience knowing what this process is. It's not like we're making the decision tonight and ask that and it's gonna happen. There are a lot of steps we have to go through. So there's plenty of time for people to come back and say, no, no, no, you shouldn't be doing this. And I would encourage you, Michael, and your committee, and I know I believe John's on your committee also, could go up and just take a look at this. So, you know what we're talking about? Maybe you already have, I don't know. So, yeah, Phil. Yeah, I think that as far as Dolan wrote his concern, we should, and I don't know if you want a motion or not on this, but I think we should start that process. You're right, it will take a while for us to get through that. And I think we should start that process and get those things moving. And there'll be plenty of time for further discussion. And I think what Michael was talking about, as far as an inventory and some suggestions about how we move forward is a good idea. And it's very appropriate and we can consider those things once they've done their work. But I think we should start this process now. That sounds like the beginning of a motion, Phil. Okay, I'll make the motion that we start the process of downgrading. It's just one section of Dolan Road, right? To a, to trail status. Is there a second for that motion? I'll second that, Peter. Okay, thanks, Steve. Any further discussion? Paul, in favor of the motion, please say aye. Raise your hand. Aye. Liz, you? Aye. I'm staining. Okay. No, I said aye. Sorry. Yeah, I gotcha. I gotcha. It was that pregnant pause there. Thank you, Mary. So the motion has passed and we will initiate the process. Our meeting for those who came in a little late, Sarah's daughter is leaving for Poland in the next few days. So she's recording the meeting, but she's leaving. Tomorrow. She's leaving. Tomorrow. Tomorrow. That's the next few days, isn't it? Yeah. Come on, guys. He wants to get out of here. Yeah, just leave, Sarah. I'm taking notes. I've got Mary here. I was gonna ask Sarah to review the process we have to go through so we could all remember, but since she's not here, I can't ask her that question. I'm here. I'm here. I'm just saying that it's a public notification with 15 days of, at least 15 days notice of a budding landowners of the portion of the road, along with notifying the public through posting in five places around town and in the paper of record that the select board will first start off with a site visit to that portion of Dolan Road followed by a public hearing in town hall and you take testimony about that situation but you don't have to make a decision that night. And the road needs to be absolutely surveyed, not as though you were setting it up. I mean, whatever that term is, but you need to lay it out. Lay it out, thank you. But we need a direct, we need a real measurement of exactly what we're talking about the note sections we know. So that's what you got to do. Okay, thank you. We've got, and by the way, you're excused. You've used up all your time. Go. Sarah. Go. What am I gonna do with Mary? She's stuck here. She knows how to shut the door. No, no, I'll just go. I'll go out and sit in my car with my iPad. Liz, can you do the BCA hearing meeting at six? Yes. Okay, thank you very much. That's really nice. Give our best to your daughter. Wait a minute, I gotta make somebody, I gotta make somebody run the meeting. Does Dorinda looks like she's having computer problems. Are you there, Dorinda? I'm, I'll do it. Okay, so I gotta make you the, sorry guys for this, but thank you very, very much for your understanding. That's very sweet of you. How do I make? And I'll send you the notes. Liz, you know what? How about I make you the person who runs the meeting since, how do I do that? Do you know how to make? I gotta just make her host, go up to the, go up to the participants thing, and then you vote in me, I think. And then you can say more, I think. Yep, that's where I am. Okay, let's see. Newt, that doesn't, sorry guys, thank you for your patience. So tell her the town of Middlesex expects her to solve all the world problems. Once you guys continue, why don't you guys continue and I'll just, Go up to my picture. Make most, there you go. Make, yes, change host. Thank you, Liz. You are. Now it says it's still recording, I think. Well, you should still record. Yeah, okay. Thank you. That's very, very nice of you. Okay, you in control? I am. Have a good evening. Thank you very much. Okay, Sarah. Bye-bye. Bye, Sarah. So Victor, other, other highway issues? Oh, can I say something about what just went down there? Cause I get, I wasn't acknowledged about the trails. Yeah. I'm sorry. I said, can I mention something about the trails and Jeff was fine and dandy. If you know, we have the trails committee. There are trails, people that do that, but we want to make sure that what we always hear is that not everybody is that wants to use it can use it. It's more used just for a special, special interest. And we want to make sure that everybody is eligible to use it. Now use, we have that upper, between upper burnout and lower burnout. And that's a trail and we don't do anything out there, but I don't see too many bikers out there, but there's a lot of people that use motorized vehicles out there and enjoy it. Wouldn't be something I'd want to do, but you know, just because I don't do it doesn't mean that it can be done. So I think we should- The whole principle I think that we have, has been our practice for years and years and years is to pay special attention to trails and class four roads that complete loops or connect otherwise connect roads. If it's a stretch of road that just goes a couple of hundred yards out into the wilderness and it's not really viable use for anything, that's one thing. But if it connects to another road or another trail or makes a loop or something like that, we want to try our town practice and policy has been to maintain those rights away and not give them up. Peter? Yeah, John. So just to respond to what Vick was saying, I think one of the purposes of the trails committee when we've done our inventory and as Michael mentioned, we're trying to figure out a form where we can sort of capture what these trails are like and what is appropriate for it. So in fact, people can make the decision that yeah, this is accessible to someone who has mobility issues or not really very accessible so that people will have a good understanding. Some of the roads that we've walked, the trails that we've walked already, I think would be fairly accessible, but some of them like up up our neck, clearly that section, someone who's in a wheelchair or in crutches, they're gonna have a very difficult time getting through. And so people who know that ahead of time can plan accordingly, but certainly our goal is not to make it special interests for anyone to have universal availability for anyone who wants to do it. That's the whole purpose of what the trails committee has been trying to do for the last whatever 18 months. And I'm sure it also goes along with whatever's in the town plan. I know that we mentioned recreation in the town plan and what those modes of recreation are. Because you're DCA meeting at 16. So Vic, the only other thing I have on the highway situation, are we back to full? No, Charles Palscher won't be back until next week. Actually, Shane came in on Friday for a little bit and then he was in today. They were hauling the sand out of the pit that was stock piled, couldn't get it all out because of the COVID. And we're looking on that today and tomorrow. So why is Charles out for a whole additional week? COVID-19. And he's still testing positive? I'm not sure on that, but he's living, his whole family got it. So I think theoretically you get re-exposed, I guess. I mean, like, yeah. No, he hasn't. I just want to make sure that this is under the recommendation of a physician. This is in his opinion of what he should be doing. I think there's guidelines there anyway from... Right. Yes. Right. But aren't the guidelines, you're supposed to get retested? I just want to figure out what the status is. That's all. If he's doing what he's supposed to be doing, that's fine. As far as I know, he's doing what he's supposed to be doing. Okay. Tell me. May I jump in? This is Jane Dudley and I have to say I'm actually working right now as a case investigator for COVID. So very quickly, I can tell you that anyone who tests positive is given a 10-day timeline that is defined by dates by the Vermont Department of Health. So he is being told, you must stay home and not go anywhere until this point if he's tested positive. And we never, no one should ever have to test negative to prove that they've recovered from COVID. That's the science doesn't support that. So it's just a matter of doing your time and your symptoms subsiding. On the other hand, someone who's been exposed to COVID may be given a 14-day window because it can incubate in the body that long. So I don't know what position the person we're discussing is within that. But I would say that it is very clearly been explained to that person and everyone else in their family what their timelines are and what's the first possible day they can return to work and under what conditions. So yeah. Thank you, John. But Jane, I have a question. This is Liz. If someone, hey, how are you? So let's say I get COVID and I'm within my 10 days and then my husband gets COVID five days in, am I now exposed and that's an extra 14 days possibly? Or can I not get it again? Like, I guess. If you're both sick, you're both on your separate 10-day timelines and you can hang out together during that time and the first person who's released can still hang out. They won't get re-exposed. Okay, that's my question. Is the re-exposure within that sort of time frame of a whole family getting sick? Right. Okay. Okay. So just following along that line but not talking about individuals, Victor and I got involved in a little bit of the situation with the members of the road crew who were not sick. And they wanted to have the garage professionally cleaned and all the equipment professionally cleaned and a number of other activities. I went over and met with them. I went to the store and bought them a supply of wipes and rubber gloves, which apparently they didn't have and told them that as far as I was concerned until the meeting tonight and we had a chance to discuss it, as the policy was gonna be when they used a piece of town equipment that it was their responsibility that the wipes should be in the vehicles and the equipment and they should wipe it down before they leave and the same would apply to the restroom in the town garage. But to the best of my knowledge, we have never had any policy with exactly what they're supposed to be doing. So whether that's the right thing to do or not, I think we need to tell them what they're supposed to be doing because they have no clue, absolutely no clue. So, the school has policies, Sarah set up a policy for the town hall but I don't think we ever did it for the road crew and I think we should. And other than just saying they need to follow the health department guidelines, which apparently they are in terms of coming to work or not, what they're supposed to be doing at work to keep themselves safe. I said things like, hey, wash your hands all the time, wipe down the equipment, find six feet apart when you can, all that stuff that I've heard, but I don't know if there are other things we should do and at the very least we should formalize that if that's what our policy is gonna be. I think you should have somebody to look into that Peter. Set up a policy because Shane and I talk to you and no disrespect to Jane Dudley, but talking to the health department on what we should or should not be doing. If you talk to one person, if you talk to 10 people, you get 10 different answers. And they actually completely contradicted themselves and when we were talking to them and try to get advice on what to do. So I think the bottom line is, yeah, I think the town should set a policy that is safe to the best of our ability and then use that. You will not have all these conflicts if somebody else comes down with COVID-19. All right, so the question I guess is, how are we gonna do that? And I looked around online trying to find a policy for a construction crew or a road crew and I couldn't find one. I'm sure there's one out there somewhere. Yeah, we couldn't either, we couldn't either. Did you try the Vermont League of Cities in town? There's two computers going on Mary in your space. We're getting an act out from you, Mary. So please delete one of them. I'm trying to. Okay, well, is that better? There. That better? Yep. Yeah, you muted one. That's okay, that's good. Thank you. So do you, so what do you wanna, do you wanna update on what's going on over there? Well, I just wanna finish this discussion. Okay, yeah. I've kind of left them hanging with my off the cuff policy that I presented to them when I met with them, but we need to get back to them and say, yes, you need to be doing that or no, you don't. Are they wearing masks, Vic? Yes, they are wearing masks when they are inside, but not when they're outside. Okay, and we're not mandating any kind of vaccines or anything like that. No. As far as I know, they're all vaccinated. Okay. You don't know that for sure though. Well, they say they are. I think, I find it hard to believe they would lie to us, but who knows? So are we asking about if someone gets COVID, what is our procedure? Like do we hire a cleaning company to clean the building? No, that's the health department issue. What they're supposed to do. Our thing is, how do we conduct our day-to-day operations so that it's unlikely that they do get COVID? And I mean, to me and others speak up, but stay six feet apart when you can. If you're inside or in a truck or inside of a piece of equipment with somebody else or a mask, when you leave a piece of equipment or a truck, you wipe it down the same with the restaurant, do we close off the town garage for members of the public? Right now, they have these spooky COVID-19 signs on the door that don't say anything. They just say COVID-19. What doors? The doors to the town garage. What do you mean they say COVID-19? The door of the truck. There's signs on the door of the town garage that just say COVID-19. They don't say, don't enter, do enter, run it one away as fast as you can. They don't say anything. Getting ready for Halloween, huh? Well, do we keep the doors open? Like, do we keep the garage doors open at all times? No. Even in the winter? No, we don't. No, we don't. Okay, I'm just asking. Many times there's nobody there at the town garage and all the tools and equipment would be wide open for anybody to run in and grab them. We can't do that. Well, I think it's important that we come up with something that is, you know, cause there's a very good chance that all of our people could get sick at the same time and who would we hire to plow the roads? We don't need ditching right now, but we're grading. Those can be put off, but plowing camps. Well, we definitely need to have a policy. I mean, my suggestion is that I would follow up or circle back with them or Victor can and say, listen, until we come up with a written policy, here's the policy. And it's basically gonna be what I just outlined. Yep. I can't believe the league doesn't have something. Mary, I didn't call the league specifically, but I looked on their website. I spent about an hour looking around to try and find something. There's gotta be something out there, but I also don't think it's rocket science. I mean, we've all heard all the stuff in terms of the preventive stuff. Number one, get vaccinated. And we believe you're all vaccinated, so that's good. Thank you very much. Number two, wear masks when you're inside or when you're in a vehicle, a piece of equipment with someone else. Try and stick six feet apart whenever you can. You know, basically the laundry list I just gave you. I mean, Sarah and I can whip that up in a couple of minutes, but we need to do something. Are we gonna keep, is the garage still open to the public and people just walk in or do we say, for the time being, the garage is only available by appointment only? Yes. Yeah. I think all of the things you've said, Peter, are like you said, they're common sense. And I think that's exactly what this policy should be for right now unless we get other guidance. Okay, well, here's what I'm gonna do. I'll, once Sarah's daughter gets off the pole and then her heart rate drops back down to normal, I'll get together with her. We'll put something together. I'll circulate it to all of you for comment and then I'm gonna give it to Victor who can give it to the road crew or however we're gonna do it. But the other thing we should do, Vic, is let Shane know that he needs to keep up with those supplies. Like if they start going, I think I gave them a couple of hundred wipes for each piece of equipment. So they ought to last a few days, but they're not gonna last forever. I was shocked to find they didn't have any of that stuff. They used it all up the day before Shane and Sally went over there and cleaned everything up. I think it was Friday. Okay. Well, we just need to make sure that we keep ordering that stuff. They said they had plenty of hand sanitizer, but they had no wipes and no gloves. Yeah, Shane was pretty conscientious about it. He went in and cleaned the vehicles up. No, that's great. But it's only as great as people are about keeping it up as you go day to day, you know? Okay, yeah, we got it. Okay, well, I'll do that. And if you're over there or talking to them, if you just let them know that that's coming, but in the meantime, keep doing it. Okay. Okay, so the only other road crew thing I have, and I know I'm using up a lot of time, but to the best of my knowledge, we have had no applicants for our soon to be open position, which is only 20 days or even it was 22 when I met with them. So now it might be 18 days till he retires. But that's not 18 straight days because he does not count the days he might take off. It's still, as far as today, I asked Shane to get us a more definite date, but he's still saying the end of October, but he's gonna take some of his vacation so it's 20, when he told you that, at that time it's 22 days of actually working. Okay, but as I understand it's gonna be upon us very quick and snow season is coming. So I don't believe we have any potential applicants. Peter, can I advertise that on the radio? Yes. We don't think we should advertise it any way we can advertise it, yes. Well, I mean, I have never seen it advertised and but I don't get the times are just either. I mean, I don't know. It's not like it's not with social media and stuff today. People just don't use the old contemporary ways of looking for a job. It is on the state website with unemployment. Is it on Indeed? That's free. Yeah. Is it where? On Indeed, the website Indeed. I don't know if people look at that, but. I'm not sure. But I just thought you could advertise it like on WDV. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. My point is, we need to be as proactive as we can be or we're gonna be higher in a contract with WDV. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know as we can be or we're going to be higher in a contractor to drive one of our Plot trucks because we're not going to have anybody. But I'm more than willing to do that at 6.30 in the morning or whenever it is four to seven. I don't think can you actually go on there and. Yeah. Yeah, you can. They'll let you talk about jobs. They will until they shut you off. Okay. Well, I say go for it. And I'm going to touch, I believe Sarah put it on a bunch of the regular places that we go to, but I'm not sure where it stands. So I will, I will follow up with her, but we're going to be shorthanded pretty, pretty quick here. The good news is, and maybe the only good news is two of our road crew will have had, will have had COVID. So they should be now totally immune and vaccinated. But we certainly have the risk of somebody else, somebody else getting it. Okay. That's all I have. I think that's enough. Besides, who else had COVID on our. I don't think we're talking about that. We're not saying. Oh, got it. Let's move on. Okay. So the grader was out. You asked me about that last week. Yep. We had an issue with the, with the roller. And it was a thing with the bearings and the bolt, the nut that holds them in didn't have a cotter pin in it. So it came out and they came up. They, John Deere finally got up there and they took, they went through with all the wheels and made sure it was working. And they, and they came to our shop and there was no charge. Good. The excavator had a $3,000 part. It was leaking fuel to very, very, quite a bit. You can smell it all the time. You're around quote unquote, Jay was getting sick from smelling it. So the, the, they got, they took it to Beauregard's and they're fixing it. Should have it back over on Bulldog Road tomorrow. So I don't ever, and probably I missed it, Vic, but what was the, what was the repair to the turntable? What did that end up being? How many dollars? Yeah, roughly. I think, I think Dorenda told me it was like eight, eight, eight, not eight, between eight and nine thousand dollars. Wow. What was between eight and nine thousand dollars? The repair. The turntable on the excavator. Yeah. Yeah. So we will have put, we will have put eleven thousand dollars into that excavator in the last, which, which I believe blows our repair budget for the year in case you are interested. Pretty good, doesn't it? Well, yeah. So here we go. The only other thing I don't know if you guys can think about it, we're going to go over and do those culverts. Um, on Center Road, for where the paving project is? Yep. Um, you guys, uh, you know, we had a little more traffic over there. I don't know if we need traffic control or not. It's pretty expensive. We looked, I looked into that, uh, like we, like the town did when they had that, uh, when they were pushing the stuff underneath the guide reels on Center Road. And they had the stop lights that were timed. But I think, I think you got those Steve off, uh, Johnson Reynolds. Yeah. I believe that's right. Yeah. There's sixteen hundred bucks a week. No, that's a lot, that's a lot less than hiring, uh, guys to stand there. It isn't really. It isn't. It isn't. It's, uh, it probably get eight hours. So it's 40 bucks an hour for a flagger and then a hundred dollars a day for the signs. So you got two flaggers at, uh, at, uh, 80 bucks. So. So there's no, I'm, I'm, I'm answering my own question, but it's just completely unfeasible to block off that road for periods of time. Sending everybody up over McCullough Road would cause a riot. Yeah. Well, you still got to get from the interstate up to McCullough Hill. That's right. Well, yeah, you'd have to go all the way around. Yeah. But Shane, Shane, I mean, if you guys are okay with it and we would, we would also entertain just pulling half of the, I mean, they're only going to do them half of the time and just close it and cone it off. Uh, you know, say one lane road, it won't cost you much of anything. Yeah. That's what I think. That's what I think. I think that's, I think that's safe enough. What does everybody else think? No, I agree. Okay. Good. We were just, we were, we were just checking it out. That's all. No, good idea. Well, it'll be good to get that done before we start our, uh, our paving who run the spring. Should start, start around the first of October. Yup. What's Shane shooting for? I'm sorry. What's that? I missed that last comment. That's what Shane is shooting, uh, is trying to get to do the October one. Got it. To start that, to start the repaving. No. Oh, over, over, over the culvert. Paving's in the spring. Okay. I only got one. I got one more thing and I know Peter love this one. Um, we still have, we still have unhappy people over there as you know about the pay. That we have two people that have 10 years of experience and they're making less than a guy. It's been there three years. I understand that the, uh, the temporary, uh, offer to be an assistant foreman was given, but, uh, they're not really doing assistant foreman work anymore. You can't really drop him back to where he was because uh, but I think, I think if, uh, I think it'd be well worth it, uh, you know, uh, I think, I think those two guys do deserve a raise and pay of, uh, of, of like a buck an hour. And if we don't want to do it, they're, they're already looking. I mean, I mean, uh, Bruce isn't looking, but we may be looking for an operator and I just, I just cannot get wrapped around my head how, why a guy that's been there 10 years and does everything, uh, would make less than somebody that is, well, Victor, I know you, I know you, uh, you were in on it and, uh, well, that, that's a conversation for another day. I think because there's a, there's a little bit more to it than that, but anyway, I do understand what you're saying about the, the, those two do need a raise and, and I do agree with you. I think where our impasse was, was exactly how we do that. Wow. I mean, you mean other than budgeted? It, right. Well, how did you, how did you bring, bring, uh, the assistant, uh, foreman up? That wasn't budgeted. It wasn't budgeted, but we were also missing the road foreman and we weren't seeing him. Listen guys, I got into this with, I got into this with the boys once again the other day. Right. I just said to them when I was there, I said, look guys, I know how you feel. I understand, but it's my understanding that at least one of you was offered that position and declined at which point, at which point they said, oh yeah, but we didn't know you were serious. I said, well, when somebody was interested in this position, excuse me, let me finish, please. When, when, when, and I believe Steve, it was you that had that conversation with them and they said they weren't interested and ever since, and ever since then they've been whining about it. So, you know, the good news is in 18 days or 20 days or whatever it is, one of the problems is going away for better or for worse. Right. We have the other other person to deal with. I just hate to just throw in the towel and say, okay, here you've been harping about this long enough and whining about it long enough. Now we're going to do it. What I said to him was, listen, budget time is coming up in another month. Let's talk about it then. And he said, does that mean I have to wait until next July? I said, I don't know what it means. Done. But he said, you're not going to go hire a new person for more than you pay me, are you? And I said, I don't think we dare do that. But I'm sick of talking to him about it. I mean, he doesn't care about anything else except, except a dollar an hour. I think he's got a pretty damn good job. Didn't look to me like he was working much the day I was there. I can tell you that. But anyway, right, we need to, we, we need to face up to this and make a decision. And I think the time to do it. I mean, if you think we need to do it on an interim basis, Victor, and do it as part of, maybe we do it as hiring this new person. God only knows what we're going to have to pay this new person. If we end up having to pay the new person more, we're really going to catch up. Well, I just, I just hate to lose your lose, lose somebody. Well, I don't disagree with you, but I, I find it hard to believe that he's, he's going anywhere, but you never know. The other thing that you could consider is like a one-time salary adjustment. And then once that's adjusted, you can move forward the next budget year with a raise. I mean, it still comes from discretionary. It's not like it's budgeted, but that's sort of a way of, you know, rather than sort of giving in and saying, okay, we're just going to randomly give somebody a raise in the middle of the year. Is someone trying to get in? What I hate about this guys is, and you've all heard me say this, is this is probably the third time we've been held up by the road crew in the last five or six years. We've had interim raises. We've had bonuses. We've done all kinds of things. And I feel like it's a hold up. I mean, who runs the show? Us or them? If, if, if we were going to do anything, if we were going to do anything, I would say once our soon to be retired person leaves, we say, okay, here's a bonus to compensate you for the fact that we got your nose out of joint and you didn't accept the position and then you regretted it later or whatever we say. I wouldn't say that to him, but don't make it a pay adjustment. Make it a make it a one time bonus and take it out of our discretionary account. That would be my recommendation if we're going to do something. I don't understand that you mean for the guy that's getting retiring or the both of them? No, no, no, the one who's staying. Okay. Yeah. The gentleman is retiring. He, he is much as set to me. The ship has sailed as far as I'm concerned. I said, I would say it has quite friendly. Right. He's looking forward to going in the woods with his locks. Get her. Peter, I wasn't trying to raise your blood pressure, but I know it's just, it's just I, I, I dread going over and meeting with those guys because he always brings it up every single time. Right. Right. He has no new information. I see. So, so have you developed information showing people working for other towns are getting paid more? Oh, no, he said. I just believe I'm not getting paid enough, which what about our assistant clerk? I mean, should he continue to have that increased salary if he's not doing his assistant clerk? Peter, I don't, I'm just, I have to interject here. Aren't we supposed to have, we're past our time? We are, we are. Let's, let's revisit this. We've got a high, we've got to fill that one position and figure out what we're going to do there. Let's revisit this all at that time. Okay. So quickly let's, uh, let's deal with, uh, with, with Jane Dudley, since I know she's still here. Jane. Sorry to keep you waiting. You're, you're muted, Jane. Uh, hi. No, it's very interesting to listen in. And, uh, so thank you for letting me lurk. Anytime. Um, I, um, the, the agenda says that there might be some action taken and I, I'm, I'm not sure if there really will be action that needs to be taken, uh, and that may have been a misunderstanding. I, I think I said I'm coming without a request for action that I was just coming to, um, just share some info, touch base. Um, I'm the representative of the, for the Riceville Beach. Um, and I, I'm not always in your meetings talking about it yet. There are, and there are other people who, uh, you know, have, uh, a hand in the beach and there's overlap with the conservation commission and now we have trails committee and so there's, it, it's the Riceville Beach is connected to a lot of things and it's not always my face on it. Um, Colin O'Neill is a great, um, dynamic manager. So, um, and I know that he and Mitch have had conversations because, um, so I'm just gonna, I wanted to, uh, just come to you and say hi and, uh, give you a sort of state of the state with Riceville and, um, it's a pretty exciting thing that is things that are happening. Um, it, Riceville has, is, has become an incredible resource for an increasing number of people. Um, and not just for the five partner towns that, um, you know, offer some support to Riceville, including middle sex and, but, uh, increasingly just the numbers of people coming. Uh, the, we, we try to, the, the trail use is increasing, uh, mountain bikers are using the trails, Frisbee golf has exploded. Um, and it's, it's very exciting and, uh, along with that, the scope of work, uh, has, and, and oversight, um, has expanded and diversified. So we're finding there's greater pressure on the roles of our, our manager who's only a part-time seasonal person. Um, but then throughout the year, he's actually kind of just giving us our, you know, time to keep things going. Um, and then even boots on the ground roles. Um, there's a lot more work to do to, you know, repair a bridge and, um, and it, and it's more needed more frequently to maintain trails. Uh, not to mention recovering from the floods that we know come periodically with being in, in the flood zone, um, created by the dam, but, um, and all of it is really good. It's really exciting. Uh, and in, in 2010, we kind of really dug into building trail network 2017. We started maintaining shady real for the state of Vermont. I know people are curious about what's going on there now, maybe, um, with the outhouse and such. And, um, and then the, the manager has been putting in more time. That's just administrative. So I wanted to let you know, you know, there, there comes a time to decide not to expand and keep something sort of capped in, you know, the mode it's been in, and we're, there's also incredible opportunities out there. So we're, we like to be flexible and I just wanted to let you know, some of the things, some of the cards were, we're playing with, um, and there's a moment to strike. So we always have kind of a feeder, uh, file of things that, um, we can, we could do that. We keep on the burner. And so one of them is to build a dog beach. There's been a lot of requests for a place where people can come with their dogs and feel welcome. Um, and that's not the boat launch. And, uh, there's definitely, um, if you know at the bottom of Culver Hill, uh, going north, a little bit on Route 12, there's the old roadbed that goes down to, right to the brink. There's a, a thought that that would be a great place to have a dog welcome place and maybe, um, you know, poop scoop system going and, um, some thought to not contributing to, um, polluting the water and, uh, and providing some parking there. There's also, um, uh, kind of low hanging fruit, um, idea of building a picnic area on the east side of the top of the dam. And it's kind of there. It, you know, it's when you go across the dam, there's some places where people access the water a little bit or hang out and, but to cultivate that and maybe have a few picnic tables or something there. So it becomes a more inviting place to go and there's a lovely view from there. Um, and so these are just things that we have, um, we are also for several years now waiting for the right moment to build a new picnic shelter. Our picnic shelter rentals are, um, quite lucrative and, um, also becoming increasingly a resource for events. Now the world is going outdoors and the picnic shelters are really in demand and they do not sit idle and you often cannot get a rental when you call now. Um, so we're thinking about another small one and, uh, tucked back in the trees. Um, we're also, uh, having a need for a more skilled trail crew and, um, we find that using youth groups or, you know, work days with volunteers only go so far. Um, so, uh, that's just in the hopper there, um, and people are always asking us for a map and so the idea is to start to seed a kind of interactive map, um, that is available that could be posted on a billboard on a, um, uh, you know, or, or folded so someone could have it and also be on the website, um, and to increase the kind of events that many people don't realize we offer events for, um, runners and bikers and, um, but there's a lot and, and we have yoga and so there are things room for club building like around swimming, um, and skills classes for biking and, uh, there's a tremendous demand for, um, more rental gear. We need more boats. We've got not enough boats to rent and people pay good money to rent boats from us. So, uh, what else? I've got a running list here. Um, renting gear, renting bikes, um, and bike repair and classes on how to do that. So there, there's, we're, we're just gathering information about the, the inquiries we get and trying to assess where we might be able to meet people, serve people, keep things super affordable and also expand the range of things that, um, to meet the needs that people seem to bring. Um, then there, there are a lot of, uh, and it all is also, there's, you know, the infrastructure there's that we need, you know, more time for our manager and maybe more of a deputized leadership role, um, for the property in the summer. And so what do we do to, how do we make money to do those things? Uh, wanted to let you know, because you, you know, you know about the per capita that the towns give, but, um, and that's not our first go to when we need money. We're really, really grateful for it. It's an essential, uh, corner post in our funding. Um, but we, uh, we, the shelter rental fees have nosed upward, uh, to be more in line with the value of that for the types of, um, events that people are having there. Seasons passes went online when we went to COVID. Why didn't we think of that sooner? It made buying seasons passes so much easier, uh, you know, a family member could buy it. A grandparent grandparents buy them for their children and grandchildren. Family passes and we have made so much more money on seasons passes just because they're easy to buy that way. Um, we're working on, uh, getting, raising, uh, WEX annual payment to us. Um, basically to double it. It's set at about $9,000 a year or something from 35 years ago or so. And, um, it's never been revisited. It was just locked in and it's time for to, and I think they're receptive, but we're working on that. Um, and maybe even building in a regular annual increase to that instead of, you know, revisiting it every 30 years. Um, we want to buy new boats and paddleboards and kayaks and, um, and, um, what else? We are, uh, we're interested in getting, uh, DEC and Fish and Wildlife to let the Wrightsville Beach people maintain the boat launch. It's, it's a wild west over there and a lot of people are concerned about the cleanliness and, um, it's technically not supposed to be a place where people swim and bring their dogs, although people seem to be able to do that because it's free. They don't have to pay, but if we can get the dog scene out of there and begin to deter swimmers and try to protect it more for boaters, um, and I know some people are talking about what it would take to put, uh, a privy or an outhouse or some kind of facility there, which is, um, easier to talk about than maybe planned, but I think that the, the beach board and the managers, if we, if we did get the contract to maintain that, we'd certainly want to be engaged in a discussion about whether that's really viable. Um, everything almost up to the road is floodable. So how you maintain any kind of facility needs to be really carefully planned and thought through, um, because of real strict guidelines about what can be in the floodplain so that there's not, um, debris or picnic tables or buildings floating in the water and also not toxic waste floating in the water. Um, and so, uh, that's one thing our manager of the beach knows like the back of his hand. He knows all those policies. He'd be a great person to be connected to that kind of solution if there's, if we're going to move toward one there. Um, so, and we've also been talking about having additional, inviting additional towns to join the district. Uh, and the number of people who come from Barrie is amazing. Huge, huge percentage of people come. So we've been keeping stats on which towns aren't that are not part of our participating towns actually have people coming and, uh, we have some ideas about who to maybe offer, um, you know, to join and we may or may not succeed in that, but that would be great. Um, so, uh, and there's also, um, and then of course at some point there's, you know, revisiting raising per capita, but we, and you, you were, you welcomed us last time that had to happen. Um, and at some point that will happen again, but, uh, we're working hard to tap all of our resources to raise money. So along with that, there, um, we're in a time where there was a lot of grant money available for outdoor recreation because in recognition of, um, just the health and wellbeing of communities, both economically and, uh, mental health, physical health, but also it improves the value of communities to have ready access to, um, well developed recreational, you know, pathways and resources, and I think you know what I'm saying. And, um, there's some, some pretty significant grants, um, out there now that, uh, we realize that the Riceville Beach is actually a municipality in its own right, um, and, uh, can play a pretty interesting role in a grant application that requires collaboration among communities. So there's some grants out there right now, one is what we call the VOREC grant, um, which is the Vermont Outdoor Recreation Economic Consortium Administrative Board, and some of these grants are hundreds of thousands of dollars. Um, and then there's smaller grants that, you know, can help buy bikes or boats or something like that. And we, we're starting to put out little feelers and, um, just, you know, concept letters about what we might do to see if we begin to rank and we're starting to begin to envision a partnership with, um, Cross Vermont Trail, Hubbard Park, uh, some entities that seem to sort of run on their own, you know, energy, but if we band together and develop a vision for our little region, if you will, so that the picture of how Wrightsville fits in, um, and it becomes, uh, more easy to see, then we may be able to get some, some grants and we've got, uh, a grant writer who's willing to help us to this. And of course, I'm coming to report out to you, but this is also a dialogue and we're looking for ways I'm particularly looking for ideas about initiatives that middle sex would like to see or things that would be useful to middle sex that maybe would make you thrilled to have us, you know, write into a grant. Um, for example, yes, excuse me, it's Peter. Yeah. We're, we're really excited on time. I apologize. I know we kept waiting. Well, I'm just I'm wrapping up. I'm wrapping up. I really appreciate, uh, I really appreciate you giving us this report. I mean, Wrightsville has become an incredible resource to our whole central Vermont community and we're very motivated to stay involved and to support you. I would, I would also, you know, remind you, which I know you already know is, is the state is, is improving the, uh, picnic area, recreation area, which is across the road from you up along the, up along the river. Um, certainly, you know, keeping those two areas coordinated and if you were, I don't know if you were on the, on the column, we were talking about, uh, working on our own trail network, uh, in middle sex, we have a committee that's working on that. And certainly it would be important to connect your trails to whatever the middle sex town trail network is. So all those things are, are good projects to work on. And I guess what I would suggest, and I believe the board would agree is, you know, every, every couple of months or three or four times a year, or whenever you think it's, it's appropriate, uh, come and do this again. It's good for us to know what's going on over there. Very important. And I just ask a quick question. You mentioned, um, that the boat launch is not managed by Wrightsville's Fish and Wildlife that manages it. Yeah, that's right. So why did we have someone from middle sex closing the gate every day? Remember when we, when we had Mitch do that as part of his duties for the recreation? I can't, I don't exactly know the answer to that. And it, in part, we have a lot of different conversations with different entities that are middle sex related. And so there isn't a sense of cohesive communication, which is explaining what my instinct to come and just talk to you. Um, I don't know what happened there. I think there may have been an issue with people going down there at night and camping. And while there's technically no rule that says someone can't do that, I think that generally there was an interest in having the gate closed. And maybe that was the sort of ad hoc, um, solution. I believe that's, I believe that's correct. There was a real problem down there with people not only camping, but partying down there and making a mess. And the state has done little or nothing to to supervise or take care of that boat launch for years. And it's, as it's gotten more use, it's gotten worse and worse down there. And, and I literally, it's true, they literally use prison labor to, to mow I realize I'm letting people in for the SBA, I mean for the BCA meeting. Yeah, we need to, I'm sorry, Jane, we really need to, we really need to cut you off. Chris McVeigh says he's in. Yep. Jane, um, that is fine. Thank you very much for your time. Okay. Being as one of the people on the Trails Committee you could be in touch with. And I'm, uh, I could be in touch with, uh, the Fish and Wildlife Commissioner if you'd like me to be. Mary, I only heard the second half of what you were saying, the first part was you were breaking up. Michael Levine is, um, on the Trails Committee for the town and I can be in touch with Commissioner of Fish and Wildlife about a transfer of the obligation to, um, to Rightsville to maintain the boat launch if you'd like me to do that. Can I keep you in mind and then we'll reach out to you, um, if that makes sense. Yes, absolutely. Thank you. You're welcome. Okay, guys, we need to, we need to move on and temporarily adjourn our select board meeting and recess, not adjourn, recess, I'm sorry. Wait, guys, the select board meeting and, uh, convening the board of civil authority meeting. Hold on, you are on. Okay. I'm just waiting to see if Chris McVeigh, he sent me, was it Chris McVeigh? Yeah, he sent me, he says he's in the waiting room on Zoom to get in. I just let in John and whilst did I let in? Oh, here's Chris calling me. Hold on. Chris? Yeah, I don't see you in our waiting room. I'm wondering if you have a different link. Should be the right one. You need it. If he wants to type it in, I'll give you the number. That I didn't see, but I let them all in and I don't see anyone in the waiting room right now, but let me just see. Yeah, try getting in again. Okay. Does anybody need the number Sarah? I mean, Liz. The Zoom number. No, I guess not. Are we okay? Hello. I'm muted. No, we can hear you. We hear it. Okay. Sorry. Um, sorry guys, I've got like three screens going on here and I'm just looking for the agenda. I've got the agenda. Call it to order. Yeah, I'm going to call it to order. And what are we doing? And any amendments? Okay. Who do we have as guests here? We have on our BCA. John, you're on the BCA. Okay. That's a new guest. And who else? That's it. Or someone else in. I guess not. And everyone else was already here. Okay. So the only person I see right now is John. Okay. You didn't have somebody else in list. I did, but I don't see them anymore. You know what? I was, I was waiting on, I tried a couple different devices. So I might have been a duplicate there. So apologies for any. Okay. Thanks. That's right. Are there any amendments? No. No. Okay. So we're going to the buy-in. We have a quorum list. I think so. We've got John and me. Aren't you guys on it too? Yeah. But who else is on it? Who's not here? Dorinda's on it. Yeah. Theo and Sarah are not here. Chris is trying to get on. Hold on everybody. Let me just send an invite to Chris McVeigh, because he seems to be on a different one or something. Yeah, we're okay. There's 11 people on there. There are seven. All right. Well, let me just quickly send it to him. Okay. So, sorry that I'm so disorganized here with all these screens. So we're looking at the biennial list. Do we have that? Does someone have that? Did we are we looking at that right now? Does anyone have any changes? Biennial review of the middle sex checklist. Yeah, I have stuff, but I don't understand what it is. I have two pages that have different highlights on them starts with I don't understand. I don't understand what the highlights are, but they're basically people who haven't voted in the last two elections and people who, who Sarah believes should be. What's the right word? Question. Challenge challenge. The right word. Yes. Well, let me just see is this list really her suggestions that we purge every single one on that two page list? You don't purge them. You have to send them a challenge letter. And they could they respond back, whether or not they've moved out of town or they wish to remain on the list. Okay. So then the correct challenge. Does she is this two page list? She suggests we challenge every single one on this list. You know, Dorinda, those are the ones she called out and she knows that for some that either they haven't voted or that they have moved away or something like to that effect or died. So usually, right? So usually the process has been. I'm sorry. Go ahead, Dorinda. I think she took out the ones that did die. So I believe what the process has been is that we look over this list and unless somebody knows some reason we shouldn't be challenging these people, we challenge them. The other thing is, is to review the other list that she sent and figure out if there was anybody on that list that you thought should be challenged. And that's the entire checklist that big long but that's the entire checklist and I found three. I found a handful as well. Okay. How you doing? So what are what are those additional names? The ones I have is Kimberly Crowell. And that's on page 12 and I have Mary Lynn and Craig Stratton that are on page 52. Those should get the challenge letter. They should get the challenge letter. Okay. Well, actually, you don't have to send Kimberly Crowell one because I know for a fact she registered someplace else. Any relation? Yes. Chris, you said you want a couple to add. I do and some of them are just maybes on page 25 of I thought Monique Hock Hock had moved to like Winnowsky. She may be back. I'm not sure that but it was just a question that I had in mind. Yeah, I think she doesn't live here anymore either. Page 38 of 59. This kid named Quinn McVeigh is registered in Massachusetts now. So she should be taken off. I'm on page 43. I don't know if Christine Payne is still in middle sex. It's just it's a question. I don't think she's a teacher, right? No, she's not. Yeah, I think she's I think they're in the process of selling their house up on Wood Road, but I just don't know the answer. But but I don't think she's in middle sex anymore. Ben. Oh, Amy Harris moved to Portland. Oh, right. H is that and Ben Skolnik and Ben Skolnik and Ben's on page 51. Amy Harris is on page. 24. What about the Lucy Wood? Did she is she on there because she's their family? If she is if she is I think she'd fall into the same category because she would get anyone to see if she is on that list. I can look now. You mean a short list? Lucy Wood. She's not on the list on any list. I don't know if she read. She's she's probably 19 now or 20. No, it is. It's Lucille Wood and on page 57 of 59. Same address as Ben and and I would say and I would say we don't need to challenge them unless legally we need to challenge them. I know they're in Portland. Yeah, no. Yep. They're all in Portland. The other. I I agree with the rent about this Strakans not being in town anymore. How do you spell their last name? S T R A C H A N page 52 59. Yeah. And I'm not sure about Brian Talia Farrow. I thought they moved to New Hampshire, but then I knew they were back. They're still here. They never left. They never left. Okay. And that's that's all I had looking through. He turned off. The majority. Not me. And who it is. Is there anyone do we want to keep looking at this list? No. Okay, I would say I would I would make a motion that we we challenge the list with with those amendments. Okay. Second. Hold on taking notes at the same time. You've got the names list. Yeah. Good. Thank you. Okay. Any further discussion? No. All right. All those in favor of the folks that were listed as challenged say I oppose. Okay. The eyes have it. And we adjourn our meeting at 633 p.m. Thank you madam chairman. Thanks everybody. Bye. Okay. So we are reconvening our select board meeting. And approving minutes of the August 17th select board meeting. Is there a motion? Move approval. All second. Okay. All in favor. Hi. What are the dates of the minutes? Of the August 17 minutes. Okay. And who seconded it Steve? I did. Oh. You seconded and it and it passed. Okay. I'm abstaining because I think that's the one I missed. Okay. Yeah, that's right. We have no correspondence. I'm aware of. Well, I mean. We have three book. There are left this thing that came in September 7th. It's the ARPA municipal project selection. That's going to come up under the treasurer's report. Just a minute. Derrinda, did we get three people to sign the orders? I haven't been down there since I left the ball. There's so who came? I did. That's the third one. And we got three. So we got good. Thank you everybody. Thank you. I could have signed it. And we are known. I don't know how you ended up being last during the but we're we're honored to be here with you tonight. Okay. Well, before we jump ahead to treasurer, I couldn't my was having computer problems earlier. I got one other thing that may want to come under anything else that comes before the board. I was down at the town hall the other day when the Washington County Sheriff's Department came in and they are having problems enforcing speed limits due to our traffic ordinance. I guess you would call it and especially the one he was referring to was on Shady Real Road, especially. He's written several tickets and they keep getting thrown out. The last time these were updated was 1999 and reading the ordinance for that road in particular does not even make sense. And I think it has something to do with how the roads were renamed or something. So the judge has been throwing them out. I don't understand what we're talking about, Brenda. What do you mean like an ordinance? We have a speed limit of ordinance in town. It says it's 50 but the sign says 35 and then we will be okay with 50. Well, no part of the problem is one it says that like on Shady Real Road it starts out saying it's 30 miles an hour from Route 12 to 1.5 miles in, then it changes to 40 miles an hour from some particular number on Shady Real Road to the school, then it changes back again until it gets to West Hill Road. Well, Shady Real Road doesn't even connect to West Hill Road. It connects to Story Road. And so any saying in addition the signs are not posted correctly. So I mentioned this to Sarah earlier and she said that yes, that this is something that came up a year or two ago that it was brought to the board's attention and that it should be looked at because it's a waste of time to have these. So someone knows this like if I were pulled over I wouldn't know to question it. Who knows about this that they're questioning it and they're being thrown out by a judge because it's going to court, I guess, and the judge is saying, no, that's not legally, you know, warned or however. Yeah. Oh, that's a good point. I mean, traffic. Help me out here. Didn't we didn't we go through all of this when we redid our signs maybe five or six years ago? We had to have traffic studies before we could lower anything from the from the state. Yeah, I thought I thought at that time we we updated everything. So it was I mean, it wasn't 20 years ago that we did that. And the last one in the book is 1999. I don't remember this. We had the Regional Planning Commission working with us on that. And Sarah said when I mentioned it to Sarah today, she said, you're absolutely right. This has been a problem. Okay. Shame on us. We we should put that on our agenda for our next meeting because that's just I mean, number one, they don't do anything anyway. But if they're writing tickets and they're getting thrown out, that's ridiculous. And if our signs are in the wrong place, I mean shame on us all the way around. I guess is what's the language. What do we need to do? We need we need to update our what's what's the right word to render speed ordinance highway ordinance. Yeah, I think it's something to that effect. Yep. The render was at the sheriff himself or one of the patrol the deputies. He was he came in on behalf of the head person and he's the one that had written the last ticket that got thrown out. Well, that wasn't Curtis Wilkin was I mean, who was it? I don't know who he is. No idea. They're all will know. Well, the bottom line is guys, we need to we need to deal with this and deal with it soon. I don't know what the, you know, I don't know what the process is. If the signs if the ordinance doesn't line up with the signs, that just makes no sense to me. I don't know why we would put the signs where they are. Well, he said that what happens is you're supposed to have a sign every so many miles or wherever a road connects into the other main road. So like technically, you know, I guess if you're pulling out of and let's use that road, for example, if you were pulling out a government hill road or Wood Road or something like that, there would have to be a speed limit sign there. So in both ways and we I would tell you in all the years, we've never been in conformance with that. We've right. We've had we've had speed limit signs where it changes from one speed to another, but we have never posted. I mean, do you remember us ever posting signs at all those side roads? Steve, I don't know. Some of them are, but not not all of them. Right. Anyway, I think on at least the main roads is where the biggest issue is like Shady, real road, center road. I think we should do it every place. Yeah. Okay. Got to look at it. Well, that's the signs. Get it out. Okay. I just wanted to she told me to go ahead and mention it so we could get it on the agenda and you'd be aware of it. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So on to the treasures. Um, did we come up with a resolution on Lafayette? The last we left it was Shane was going to talk to them. And I don't know if anybody heard anything back. I asked Victor about this the other day and he didn't and he didn't know the answer. So I guess we don't know. We did pay the we did pay the bill for the installation. Right. It's the bill for the move that we haven't resolved. I will I will follow up and find out what's going on. I was surprised. Victor didn't know. Okay. I'll let you know to Rinda. I mean, I'm sure the answer. I'm sure the answer is probably 99% chance nothing's happened, but I'll let you know. Okay. Great. And the other part is the ARPA stuff. Um, so the another the big payment arrived over the weekend. So we're sitting pretty flush with some money here. Um, and I think that's a topic of discussion as to how you guys intend to move forward or not move forward. Sarah did speak to um, a couple of the other towns and Worcester is they think they're going to turn their funds over to CV fiber just because they don't want to go through the process of trying to figure out what else to do with it. And, um, she talked to callus and callus is not making a decision. They're not going to rush into it. Um, they're going to think about it, but right now they're thought processes. They're not going to give all the money to broadband. So that's the update on that. The other thing the other thing I have is as I was very interested and I mentioned this to Dorenda, I was very interested to read in the paper that the town of Berlin at their select board meeting probably two weeks ago, maybe three weeks ago, they were talking about using their ARPA money to replace that culvert, which as far as I know is a no-no. No, we found it can be done because it ties into their water system. So like water system, they have a public water system. So I found out it would be done. That's how the water goes gets to their, uh, yeah, okay. Well, that answers that question. And with that said, they said that I've been talking to a few people and they said, you probably can get pretty creative with how you on how you tie this money in with another project to tie it so it becomes one of the eligible items that, you know, if you're really creative, like they are passing it under as part of their water infrastructure. Um, and somebody said that they thought that we might even get away with using it towards town hall renovations or something like that. If we really gave this some thought. Um, the other thing was that, um, there's also talk of other broadband money coming down in the future. And that if we use the money for this, that we wouldn't be eligible maybe to get the broadband money. Phil, do you know anything about that? I I've never heard that, but, um, and I don't I don't see why that would be true because I don't know of any broadband money that is intended to go to municipalities or counties other than this money. Um, but I don't know. Anyway, I think that, um, Peter and I had a little discussion within the last few days and we we got a proposed MOU from CV fiber, uh, which I gave to Rob and he, he had quite a few issues with it. Um, and redrafted it. Um, more along the line. That seems like forever ago we had discussion about some of the things that we were concerned about in terms of clawback and, and, uh, you know, guarantees and those kinds of things. So he did a redraft. I looked at it, gave it back to him and he has sent it to CV fibers attorney and as of today has not heard back. Um, from her, Krista, her name is, um, who I think does some work for WEC mirror. Is that name from the Krista? I was familiar, but the answer is, uh, we don't have any attorney on, uh, that we've hired to, to do that. So maybe it was a separate project. CV fiber and the fact that WEC and CV fiber are, are coordinating may lead you to that belief. Yeah. Um, anyway, I think, you know, we probably should make some decision about how we want to proceed. Um, and, you know, if we're, if we're not going to go in that direction, you know, stop incurring legal fees and time and stuff about this. Um, because I don't know. It just, it seems like we've been at this a long time. Um, have all together. Karinda, I'm sorry. I didn't hear the question. How much money do we have all together now? At the moment, we have about a hundred and about 225,000 about half. Yeah. I was going to say that's about half, right? Yeah. Yeah. The other half will be in a year. We'll get the, the three billion money. Yeah. Okay. So somehow we need to have a creative process to figure about other ways we could potentially use some, some of this money. Um, I just, I still feel well, I felt all along like I'm between the devil and the deep blue sea every time I, every time I read something or hear something, I did read that letter that, uh, that, uh, Sarah sent over to us this afternoon. That was about as clear as mud, I thought. Yeah. Right. Uh, you know, everybody says maybe possibly could be, should be, might be. Yeah. I have a question. I don't know. I mean, it would be, it would be unbelievable if we could use this to, to renovate or use some portion of it to, to build a new town hall or something like that. Our, our chances in the future of getting, getting this kind of money in one chunk or two chunks are probably pretty slim. So, before we just throw all this money at broadband, I want to make sure or as sure as we can be that we can't use at least some of it in some other way. And I know, Liz, you had some ideas about how to use some of it potentially. Um, but sooner or later, and the other issue, I guess is the more, the more I read this stuff and the more I hear, it's not like we have to make any decision right off. We can, we can sit on this money and, and, and sit on it. CV fibrous as far as I know is, is, it isn't like they're waiting for us to make this decision before they go ahead. They're doing their poll, uh, their poll survey or whatever they call it right now and they're marching ahead and they're still saying that, that middle sex is the key to area one or whatever they're calling it and, and, and they're going to do it. So, you know, they're not pressuring us to move ahead with this as far as I know. Nope. Peter. Yes. Uh, just to go back to one of the things you were talking about, you know, you've got that letter, but number one on that letter from, from the, uh, Regional Planning Commission was, be patient and methodical. There's no need to rush. Funds must be obligated by 2024 and expended by 2026. Yeah. It's not like we have to make any decisions tonight. No. No, no, no. And I think my fear that I've been expressing right along through the summer is that there was going to be a holdup where somebody was going to say move it or lose it or, you know, who knows what or CB fiber was going to say, well, we're going to re figure it without you guys if you're not willing to commit. I mean, none of that seems to be the case. Nope. So, you know, I think we need to, we need to, I mean, I do think we need to, having started this process, process with the MOU, try and bring that to some kind of negotiated conclusion, just so we can know where we stand. We've already invested a significant amount of Rob's time in this. So I think we need to bring that to a conclusion. But at the same time, we all need to be thinking and, you know, I am, I am a little reluctant to throw this open to some kind of public process. But if we can really understand, which I still do not understand, what the real parameters are in what's eligible and what isn't eligible. Then maybe we should have some kind of public meeting and say, you know, here are the, here are the options that the select board has come up with. What do you guys think about how we spend this money? But maybe we need to, I don't know, maybe we need to hire somebody who can read their way through this and say, here's what's eligible and who is it? Because if you've told me the other day, that that Berlin thing was going to be eligible, I said, no, it doesn't meet the guidelines. Well, shame on me. I understand now how they're, they're looking at it because of the public water system, so they're able to go that route. Well, the back, you know, I think about maintaining our roads and the, and the water runoff and all the stuff that we're supposed to be concerned about and dealing with, which we think isn't eligible. Well, maybe it is eligible or some of it. I don't know. Well, Peter, maybe we should ask this Grace Vincent from the Regional Planning Commission to come in and tell us like, maybe she knows what other towns are doing and she could give us an update. I mean, maybe she, maybe she could, but I would tell you, every time I read one of these things, it's a little different story. I don't think anybody, you know, and exactly what Phil says. People are saying, well, they're going to be flexible. They are going to, you know, be creative. I haven't seen that. What does that mean? I don't know what it means. Maybe we should put in a bunch of windmills and a helicopter landing port. That would, that would be good. We could evacuate our community when the big flood comes. I don't know. Thorenda, did you say that the person who was assigned to help us navigate was not very helpful? Somebody told me that. Well, that was at the beginning. She was just hired on and she really didn't have her feet wet. I don't know if she's gotten any better. I don't know. But I do know that there's been, Sarah said that there's been more talk of people just coming into the office and you know, talking about, well, you know, is the town getting any money and how much are they getting? And so she says that because it's up there more and more now that, you know, there is people wondering what's going on. Definitely. Definitely, I think we need and I don't know whether it's having a meeting or sending out a newsletter or what it is. But I think we need to let people know that no decision is going to be made until we have some kind of public process. We're not, we're not, you know, and and tell them how much money we expect to get and we're carefully reviewing the guidelines and any, any suggestions that meet the guidelines should be presented or I don't know what we do, but certainly I have completely flipped in terms of thinking that we need to be moving forward with us. I think we can take our time. I think we can relax. I think we can take a breath and keep moving forward before Liz falls asleep. Yeah. I'm busy taking notes. I know we don't know from any of the other towns what they're considering doing. I mean, there's some hefty money out there. Yeah. Well, I think I think a lot of the towns Dorinda are exact from what I know and I've made a few phone calls but I haven't talked to that many people. Many of the towns are in the same position. Some are some are thinking or leaning towards thinking the way Worcester is where they just don't want to deal with it and they think broadband is a good idea. So, you know, the the other question I'd like to know is and this is jumping around a little bit but the question I'd like to know is I believe we were told and help me if I'm wrong fill that by having the town contribute money to this broadband. It would mean that residents of our town would get lower rates. They will they didn't want to change their rate structure but they would wave connection fees. We would essentially be covering connection fees for anyone. Well, I would like to quantify what what that is. So we can tell people that because you know, there's I mean, more than getting broadband. It looks like we're going to get the broadband one way or the other. So if that is in fact the case then what's the benefit of us giving them all this money? Well, if it's waving connection fees if they connect everybody they're looking to connect how much money is that? Maybe we say well, we'll reimburse you for the connection fees whatever they are but we're not just going to give you all the money. I don't know. I like that too. Yeah. I think at this point I should tell Rob to not put any more time into it. See if we hear back from CB fibers attorney and where that stands and probably the best and just have Rob put the whole thing of file sit on it and I'll tell Jeremy that there's just not enough information available as far as how we can really legally use the money. There's just not enough guidance right now and that we're uncomfortable making a decision until we have better guidance and we're just going to sit. Yeah, I don't disagree with that except I would say you know we've we've done what we've done so far with Rob to try and I mean if it's a matter of him pushing the attorney to respond I don't want him to go back and forth at our expense and some protracted negotiation but at least get back to us and say here's what I think should be in there. Here's what they think should be in there. We've been unable to agree that at least we know where we stand. Right exactly. Yeah, I mean I'm not you know she may come back and say yeah, this is this is good by my client and then we can you know but we'll just sit on it and wait or clarity and if not there's some ideas but we're not going to negotiate any further until we have a better sense of direction. Yep. Okay. But I think the I think the issue of being able to explain to our citizens what the benefit is to our town in giving this money like if if we're going to get broadband and we're going to get the same rates as everybody else gets then that means what's the benefit? Right. There's not the benefit is if the benefit is everybody's going to get hooked up then I think paying the hookup fees might be something that it'd be worthwhile to consider but we don't know how much money that is. I have that somewhere in my information what the proposed hookup fees are and I think it runs somewhere like 100 to 200 per household. But if that was the case if we had if we had 500 households that's still peanuts compared to $100,000 we're getting. Yep. So I just I just want to be able to tell people or explain to people why we think this is a good use of the money and I believe me I don't want to get I don't want to give the money back and not spend it. That would be a terrible but we've got a long time but you just raised another I thought for me that rather than giving the money necessarily to CD fiber and again because there are there are people who are on Comcast and parts of our service area who will not change off from Comcast or CD fiber won't even build there. Could we in fact subsidize people's cost for internet as long as their service meets the federal requirement of 100 by I can't remember what it is I'm getting 30 out of 100 down. Right. You know, well that's I mean the other thing that we talked about and we we we're we're beating a dead horse now but the other thing we talked about is there are many people in middle sex so no matter what the fees are they can't afford them or they can't afford the equipment or whatever it is so right to to set up some kind of a program where a you know we're going to we're going to pay your fees or pay a pay a I like the idea of I like the idea of everybody pays something but but subsidize the monthly fees maybe buy equipment for people if they meet certain income requirements I mean all those things I think would be because they're going to be a bunch of people are saying we can't afford it we don't care how good and then we don't have the equipment and then the community fund could give grants to people for it yeah exactly less although I think there's supposed to be money available which is going to be income sensitive to help subsidize the consumers costs for broadband well that's that's all the stuff that we need to know to make the decision and the only other comment I'd make is it's always better to have money than not have money as long as nobody's asking us to give it back can we put that money in an interest-bearing account to Rinda I know you told us that once and I forgot the so I checked with the bank and the money market accounts that we have pay no different interest than our sweep account which that's where it's sitting right now is in our regular sweep account because I was waiting to see what was going to happen if I put it into a long term no then we might have a problem if we decide to do something so I don't know I mean that's where we have to I don't know what the shortest no we could get certainly that's six month CDs and one year CDs and yeah right but do they pay much more than what we're currently getting they would pay a couple of points more or maybe a point where they're not but yeah I mean at some point we should say okay if we're not going to spend this money for a year or two maybe we should do this or that that's all right can I make a suggestion that maybe what we do is form a subcommittee to do the research on this so that we have a small group of people that are dedicated and it could be people outside of the select board right we're dedicated to helping us you know navigate this because this is pretty big and it's a it's like its own little job of trying to figure out how we can use this and maybe something our capital spending plan there might be someone on that group that wants to take a look at this and make the phone calls try to get someone that they can talk to see what other towns are doing that kind of thing. We certainly do that less I I my personal take on it is that this is a big enough deal that we need to be doing it. I mean and divide up work or get yeah I think we do need to be doing it work I just I just think I mean we're not we're not talking about a ten thousand dollar grant here we're talking about real real blood in the snow so I think it's us is my feeling but I don't know how other people feel I agree but I'll see what I can find out from washing left to call up I've got a meeting there tomorrow. But let's let's invite who do we who do we think the person is who's the supposed to be the expert let's invite him to our next meeting. Well they say if there's any kind of attend meetings at your request to provide information Grace Vincent. Was that the first thing you talked to that's a regional planning right the person I talked to and I think during the talk to is that the League right and she like during the sun she was brand new and did not know a whole lot. Well I would say I would say we try out the regional planning commission they're the people we we pay the real money to well I don't know I don't know either of these people but but I I do think and and maybe ultimately we do need to set up a committee but in the short run I think we need to get all the information we can get and we all need to hear whatever these people have to say rather than trying to interpret these letters and you know do I need to reach out to Central Vermont Regional Planning Commission see if we can get her on an agenda that would be great that would be great Liz or I I can have Sarah do it. Well I'm thinking we don't need to rush into it today so when when would we want this person coming whenever they're available whenever they're available I mean there's no what we know now is there's no hurry so right next meeting the following meeting it would be great if we could do it before the budget who do starts which is right around the corner. So are we are we all set with that for the time being you're going to follow up with Phil. So are you going to call that person Liz or I'll call them. Okay, thank you. Yeah, I'll follow up with Jeremy. Okay, perfect. So the only other thing I have is is I believe after our next meeting we are supposed to attend or some subset of us are supposed to attend the fire department meeting. So just keep that in the their meeting starts at seven o'clock I believe. So I definitely have that on my schedule but I'd love some company. Okay, that'd be great. You know I I also want to just say you said her name was Grace Vincent Mary. Yes. So when I reached out to because I've done this already when I reached out to what's her name the director of CVRP Bonnie. Yep. Bonnie just basically gave me a canned answer. You know which was go to the league. So let me just don't send the money. Yeah, I mean it was like really unhelpful. So but let me just see what she said because right knocking on that door again. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah. That was that was quite a while ago though Liz. I don't know. I want to hear from somebody who can give us some real information that we don't already have. Yeah, right. I think some of these big cities that are getting a couple of million dollars you'd be hearing something in the news of what they're doing with the money. No, yeah, but today they have sore plants they have weight, you know burling water problem. I mean they have whether spending their money. Yeah, they have all kinds of things they can spend their money on it's little towns like us where you know we don't have any of that stuff. Thank God we don't but we have roads and they're expensive. So if any of this could be used for our town buildings or our roads that I would certainly love to hear that. Yeah. Well, maybe stone water drainage or something like that would come into play. Well, I know to render all this all this money on ditching and rock and riprap and stuff. I mean if we could throw if we could throw a hundred thousand dollars at that that would make a huge difference or one of the things to talk about the municipal priorities is strengthen village center and business economic resilience. So I don't know what that means but is that well, yeah, but it's probably more for a little larger municipalities than ours. Well, it seems crazy. I mean maybe it's sidewalks in the village. Maybe it's a water system for the bill. I mean, I just want to know what the options are before we just say to everybody. The only choice we have is to use it for broadband. Well, I say let's make that connection. And if that doesn't work, there has to be somebody in the state government that has some answer. Or we need to delay his office. That's exactly what I was going to say. I have a friend who works only. He's so that might be the place. You know, they could do some work on it and let us know and again, all they have to do is call him by zoom and talk to us. Yeah, I'll talk to my friend Diane. Okay. Well, I think this. Does everybody agree that for the time being there should be us working on this? Yes. That okay with you, Liz? Yeah, yeah. Okay. I didn't mean to step on your toes, but I just think this is a big enough deal that we need to be. We need to be doing it. And at the same time, I don't want it to turn into a chaotic nightmare either. That's no fun. The more flexible we make this sound, the more people are going to come up with creative ideas. I think a town swimming pool and hockey rink would be a great use of the money. I think a board retreat to be able to figure out how to use the money. And, you know, someplace like, to CD or someplace like that, you know, in the winter. Would be a really good idea, Phil. That's good to me. I'm not going to ARPA jail. I think I could do it. I was sitting on a nice, nice warm beach in Mexico, someplace with a fresh lime margarita in my hand. I could probably do some really creative thinking. Yeah. Okay, guys, I think we've all had enough fun for this evening unless anybody has anything else. No. I mean, like everything else, there are all these things we need to be paying attention to. But the, you know, the Welch Park thing. I mean, that that is a that is a happening place. I'm telling you. What do you mean? Well, just there's a lot of stuff going down there. There's a lot of activity and a lot of opportunity. I think Jane put it very well. You're talking about Wrightsville Beach, not the Welch Park. That's why I would love to get Louie Porter to turn it over to Wrightsville Beach. Well, the only thing that the only thing I would tell you is before you before we ask for that, let's figure out what the cause that's a mess down there now. That is you'd almost have to have somebody stationed down there, which is going to be expensive. I mean, they said that they would they want to take on management of it. Yeah. Yeah, but what's the what all I'm saying is if there's money associated with that fine, but if they just say they want to take over the management, they great. You do it. Thanks. And all of a sudden it's going to be a hundred thousand dollar bill associated with it. That's all I'm saying, Mary. That I'm going to have dinner. Okay, the meeting adjourned. The Welch has been a nightmare forever. Adjourned 7-11.