 Can you put our hands together and welcome Fancy Fingers! We can do that again. Sorry, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go. Try that again. I can't do it, I can't do it. I know, I should have gotten it from there. Maybe I need to... I know, right? I'm getting this idea. Thank you, thank you so much, thank you for having me. The show is amazing, I love it. Thank you, we appreciate that, we appreciate that too much. But I want to talk about you being a dad. I think one of the most proud dads we have in Kenya right now. You are, for real, I'm not even kidding. You were so proud to be a dad. Yes, yes, yes. You're always being a dad to yourself, you know, being married and being a dad. Yeah, I mean I've loved every second of it to be honest. It's life changing. Right. Yeah, and it just happened at the right time also. Because I always say like it happened during Covid, the famous Covid. When you're all on lockdown, yeah. Everyone wore this, you know, a lot of time. Yeah, there's a lot of time. Exactly, you know. And we conceived during Covid, but I mean we had our son during Covid. And the reason I'm saying that is because we had so much time to spend together because usually I'm always on the road. That's true. Yeah, and I was just forced to be present. I loved that it happened the way it did because I've learned so much. Before we move away from that question, one makes a good dad. One makes a good dad. A dad that gives time to their kids. Right. More than anything. Because with kids, they don't care about spending money on them or just buying them stuff. It's just spending time with them. They won't even remember that when they're gone. They won't remember. They just remember I was with Daddy doing this. That's the most important thing, yeah. And what is the most fulfilling thing, last and not bad, for you personally? Yeah, for me would be just seeing the growth of a human being. Like it's so special, it's so beautiful to see just how he grows into things and every moment is like a win for him. And even for us, you know, just seeing him doing things, yeah. That is true. And they spend time with my niece and they're literally sponges. Yeah, everything, everything. They learn from you. Yeah, exactly, yeah. I usually just come to realize that kids are not born bad. They learn from people. Yes, yes, yes. I would say like kids below four, five years are not even human beings. They're like, they're spiritual, like fully, fully spiritual. They are. They really are. But shout out to you for coming through. Let's talk about you. Thank you. Now, you are part of Saweetie Soul. Yes. And you shared a TBT photo. Oh, yeah. Two at seven. Oh, gosh. That was your first gig that paid you good money and by good money it meant 12K. Yeah. And they were so proud. Papa Sun. Oh, good memories. So looking back then, right now, did you ever think like you guys as a group would come this far as far as you have come? Yes, we did know we were going to go far. Because you had a vision? Yeah, we had a vision. We just didn't know where that would be. You know, you work towards getting to a certain place, but you don't necessarily know where. So yes, we did know we had the talent, we had God's favor and all these things and we knew we were going to achieve what we've achieved. We were going to achieve some things. Right. Yeah, so once you get to achieving these things, then you realize, oh, so this is what it is. Exactly. Now, what can you say as a band? It's the glue that has held you guys together for so long because a lot of people just come and go. Yeah. So many bands, they form within two years. They are no more. A lot of, like, you know, issues. How are you going to stay together for so long? And, you know, still working, still touring, right? Yeah, still very good friends. I'd say, first of all, I believe a lot in destiny and I believe we're destined to just be together as the four of us. And what has kept us, you know, this together for this long is literally love and respect for each other. Yeah, so we respect each other 100%. We are each other's best friends, you know. And that is so true. But the reason why I'm saying it's true is because you defend each other so much. Like, if one of you is facing backlash even on social media, like the whole gang will just, like, stand up for them. Yeah, even physically. You don't mess with that. Oh, even physically. Even physically. Where is that? You remember Rice? There's a guy who assaulted Shimano. You guys did not even hit him. Yes, yes, yes. I mean, yeah, that's... I think Brother Hoodos is so deep, you know. Once you have it, and it's just the best thing ever, man. So you protect your brothers, man. Bros always. I'm telling you, what has been the most difficult part of going solo, especially for you now? Everyone has their own solo project. ABN has been doing well. Savara had his own album as well. So did Shimano. That Friday feeling. A vibe. And then there's you also. You had a first album. You are working currently on your second album. What is the hardest thing about that? Everything about it. To be honest. I won't say hard. That's a challenging and a welcome challenge as well. Because as I said, we're used to doing things together. Being in a band, everyone has a role. So you know that if you're in a photo shoot, Shimano will do the most. And it will cover for everyone else. You know, if you're doing this... We just got a role. When it comes to let's say production music, everyone knows PolyCups got it. It's fine. You know, interviews sometimes, depending on the interview, someone would speak more than the other. And you're like, yeah, it's cool. You know, you got yourself covered. But now when you're by yourself, you have to really show up for yourself. More than ever. Yeah, exactly. Which is not something that we're used to, I'd say. All of us. For the longest time. And I think I'm not even the only one. Yeah. Okay. I don't know if it's because of, you know, the blue uniform. But later on, when you guys were still working, I actually thought you were just like the guitarist. People would think like, you don't sing. Oh, he's part of So What You Saw by the guy who plays the guitar. Yeah. And then now he comes to sing and goes, oh, so everyone can actually sing. Yes, yes, yes. So now I think it's just that time you demystify all that. Yeah. I think it's also, I think what people need to know about bands is, as I said, everyone has a big, big role in the band. And it doesn't have to be that each one of you has to be at the front, you know. Especially as we are a musical band, we're not, what's that the word? We're not a group. We're not like an in sync, for example, where everyone is at the front singing and dancing and, you know, doing all those moves. Like we play live. That's how we started music. Yeah. So my job is usually behind the music and I love it so much being there. Comfortable. Yeah. You can't find none. Is it really? It's not even, there's so much work to do actually. I think probably I have a lot of work always. A lot more. Yeah. But it's something that I, I like that people have seen what it actually means and entails to be someone like that in the band. You know, and also empowers other musicians. Also, you know, have such kind of role that's very, also very strong within a band. Right. Yeah. And for those who don't know, he's literally like a monk. But I think there's a magazine which did like, to 10 best guitarists in Kenya. Yeah. You're actually part of that. Yeah. So how long did it take you to get that good? Did you start in high school? Is it something you learned later on in life? Yeah. Yeah. First of all, I'm not there yet. I'm still working every day. The good thing with guitar is there's no end to it. So you're always learning every day. But yeah, I started actually properly after high school. That's 2006. Right. So after high school. But then I always, I was always into music. So I used to play a bit of keyboards just by ear actually when I was younger. Yeah. Then I just changed to guitar because I had this very strong attraction to playing the guitar from high school. Yeah. And then I never looked back since then. Look at that. Yeah. But I think that's what, a lot of artists should borrow that. Like as a vocalist, you can be a vocalist and still play different music instruments. Yeah. But this makes it so much easier. Oh yeah, it does. It does. I always actually always tell any singer to pick up an instrument because it will take them to another level. It will make their writing, you know, so much better. And everything else that comes with the music. Yeah. And you said you had Grammy winner. And what? Oh yeah, yes. An Academy member. How many? You know, when you say Academy, I'm thinking big Academy. Oh yeah. And I'm thinking big Grammy. I'm like, okay, I did one Grammy star. I think it didn't happen. So, okay. Yeah. So for those of us who are like, okay. You know, we've just been saying like when I say my all until the kids or city one or four and go maybe in Grammys I'm like, yeah. I don't have the win in a Grammy. Yeah. But I want to go with that argument. Yeah. I don't want to support it so kindly. Yeah. So yes, I am a Grammy winner. I was part of the production for the song. Our song with banner boy. Oh. Song flies. That's why. Yeah. So the good thing with Grammys, if a song wins a Grammy, everybody in the song gets a Grammy. Oh. And the song with banner boy, actually there's a very nice story to it because it was meant to be now our album, Me Night Train. It was meant to be Me Night Train. Yeah. And you recorded it like two years before we released Me Night Train. So we sent it to him, not for clearance, you know, because you're about to, you know, deliver your album. You have to call everyone that's in there and be like, okay, we are delivering this. We need your details for publishing and everything. And their team were like, because we gave you African Star, we wanted this one on our album. Oh. Because we love it so much. You're like, okay, fine. And thank God you didn't turn it down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He gave us African Star for our album. And now you agree with us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. By association. By association, yeah. Which is cool. Yeah, yeah. No people. Always, always, always. No people. Yeah. But you're doing something so amazing that I'm literally loving so much. Yeah. Because you see a lot of female artists that do not, some of them don't get the support that they need. Yes. But you've taken that up to, like you've taken that for yourself to be able to just like support the female artist in Africa. Yeah. Not just Kenya, but in Africa. Yeah. You're working on your album. Yeah. You featured, you're, it's an all, only female feature. Yes, it is. You're not featured male artist, right? Not at all. Right. So tell us about that. Why did you choose to work with so many different artists that are just basically women? Did you just want to support the women? Is this something you've talked about for a long time? Yeah. Or how did that come about? So correction, actually. I don't see me myself as supporting them, but actually also supporting them. So it's like, Yeah, we are here, you know, for each other. Yeah. And it was, because it's a very male dominated industry. It is. Entertainment as a whole. Anyway, the world. And I feel like, yeah, female artists really go through it a lot. They do. It's crazy. Yeah. And it just came up with the idea. Actually, I just started doing songs. I think one of the first songs was actually with Carol. One in a million. One in a million. Yeah. So I just had a list in my head. I still have a list still. But I think the project is 90% complete. Right. So I just got as the artists that I could across the continent. So there's, of course, there's like three Kenyans, I believe. There's a Ugandan in there. That's a Zawi. There's a Zambian artist. There's a Zimbabwe. And there's a South Africa. South Africa. Actually, the latest one is South Africa. Yeah. Yes. The latest one with Simi is South African. Yeah. And it's just also to just, you know, put, as you say, put them on the map. But also, they also put me on the map. For you on the map. And collaboration is always, always yields really good results. Yeah. Has anyone turned you down yet? Like, have you had this artist? Turned me down. In mind. You reached out and be like, Ow! Sounds like a good idea. I'll pass. I'll pass. Now, right? They're levels. Yeah. They're levels. They're levels. Fancy fingers. Sign me up. When? When? All right. So for the case like with Simi, she's going to say, you're best in Kenya. Yeah. Do you link up in the essay or did she record her part? You record your part. Yeah. So with Simi, I just went for like a camp, a writing camp to collaborate actually with different artists. So I just became friends. I did, you know, vibing on other music and stuff. And then now I was like, actually should be good. I just made the song myself first. So I make the music first and then I think who would fit in here. So I was like, oh, Simi would be perfect for this. I sent to her, she was excited. Like, yeah, this is my vibe. Amazing. Yeah. So how long has it been in the making, the album? The album since January. Oh, this year? Yeah. Actually, no, it's not January. Last year, because I did this, I recorded her in November. She was the first one. So November last year. So almost one year. My plan was to release it during Valentine's this year. Yeah. But yeah, it was just... Time work. You know how it is. Touring. Yeah. Yeah. We're like busiest. Yes, we have. Very busy. Saying our shows and stuff. Yeah. Like having started our shows, I would say Kenya. Yeah. And I'm not talking about Uganda. No. Well... Well, that's a blessing to be honest. It is? It's a blessing. Not many people do it. Even all the people that you consider really big do not sell out your concerts, you know. Exactly. So what is the biggest stage you wish you would perform at? So far, because you performed almost everywhere. What is that one stage that when you get there, you'll be like, you know what? Now, even if you dissolve yourself, you'll be clicking. Yeah, good. We did it. It's the biggest stage. I guess I'd say the big festival, the Glastonbury, you know, the really big ones. But to be honest, my favorite gigs to perform at, I know you haven't asked me this, but I'm just going to say it. Yeah, that's cool. It's cool. Why not, right? It's in the continent, in the African continent. Because there's so much, first of all, they understand your music so much better, of course. And there's just so much love, you know, and we're very similar as well. And it's genuine. And it's genuine, you know. And they fill up the places. So I'd say in Africa is my best. Enough to care. But with the big show, I don't know, I haven't really thought about it, to be honest. But any big festival is welcome. What is the craziest thing that I've done for you guys? We've seen, Drake now has a whole collection. Yes. Oh, Drake. Yeah, I saw that. He has a collection. Oh, gosh. Yeah. What about you? What is the craziest thing, you know, probably? I don't know if I can say this on TV, nobody. HG, HG, HG. I mean, there have been bras thrown on stages. Right? Yeah. There's quite a couple. Crazy on stage or just in general? In general. In general. Yeah. On stage we'll be limiting you, I think. Yeah. I mean, stalkers all the time, that happens a lot. Yeah. I've had to up until now. Yeah. It's not so crazy. I mean, it's just the small, small things. I wouldn't say like crazy, like overboard, like oh my goodness. Yeah. But it's not borderline. Yeah. Yeah. Not borderline, exactly. Yeah. Now love language is the name of the album. Yeah. It's 90% done. Yeah. I guess like, it comes with its own fair share of challenges. Oh yeah. Have you experienced any of thoughts? With this, what are my challenges? Let me see. You know, different energies, different... Yeah. Yeah. So with collaboration, especially a collaborative album, as you say, yes, that's a good point, different energies and also trying to get, let's say, visuals done, different ideas in a different country. So either I have to go there or fly them here, you know, or even try and make time with our schedules. I have been crazy busy this year. Another challenge is finishing it because, yeah, I just had so much on my plate the whole year. So it's just always me trying to, you know, try and work things out. Then I have to go back again. It's just, it never ends. Yeah. It's like, I need this to end because it's just too much. There's a group, you guys have projects you're on personal projects. Yeah. And then there's now you being a full-time dad. Exactly, yeah. And a husband. Yeah. And a son. Yeah, it's a lot. And a sister brother. And a friend. Fun enough today. Only one of you. Yeah. Today at the rehearsal, yeah, I was like, because I just moved house yesterday and it's hectic and it's in the middle of crazy rehearsals. Yeah. And I just sat on the server and told him everything. He's like, what? I told him I had to take my son to another school today. All the things happened in the morning. You are a man. Like, this is a responsibility on another level. Yeah. But I embrace it. I love it. Yeah. You know, it's actually what makes you. I feel like if they took all that away, you're going to be like, will you have enough time and laugh and say, OK, something too funny. Yeah. You wish to be off. Yeah. Oh yeah. When you're off in Africa, they say, the feeling of going off is what it is. Yeah. The day before. You know, to it. That's true. That's very true. Yeah. Of course, thank you so much for coming through. Do you have any parting short for your finds? The guy's just... Parting short, I don't know. Thank you so much actually for all the love you've shown me and us for the past, it's been, what, 15 years? Follow me on social media, fancy fingers across all platforms. This is sad. This is sad. Thank you so much for making that.