 In the Sea Cadets, I think he was just a general seaman, but when he moved on from Sea Cadets to the ship's company at HMCS Discovery, and he reached the ranks of petty officer second class with three stripes, which is unusual, which meant that he put in the time, but did not get the promotions, but he had that, and then it was in long enough, fourteen years long enough to be awarded the Canadian Armed Forces Declaration. He was very, very proud of that.