 I guess find somebody that's done it and talk to them about it, I guess that's a big thing is use those resources that are out there, get that first-hand knowledge to look at making the change or not like said Anthony think before said it's and every farm's different and gonna have a little different tweak to what their operation is and what their setup was and maybe you can use some of your equipment you actually have now and not have to go buy something new. That was one big thing for me is having a lot of old equipment I realized you can you can make old equipment work pretty easily. The challenges and I have a friend a salesman he's up in a different area in Minnesota and it's all strictly tillage so he's but he has the interest to learn it to try and make some changes any he is starting to make some changes. He's in a you know minimum till conventional tillage situation and emphasize don't just do it one year you got to do it a number of years and you need to talk to your support people because he's in a he's eyes are on him yeah so it's easier to start up where you're at because you've got some people that are close by that are doing it but he's up there where there's nobody close by he but he has enough interest in it you know he's really interested in it and he's been talking with us and seeing us make it work and so it is a tougher sell. Yeah you got to prepare your mind for that I guess I was kind of novel in the area I was by myself and the turn first 10 or 15 years and everybody would drive by what the heck's the clown up to today or whatever. I just learned to put it aside I guess yeah and felt I was doing the right thing. I felt I felt that same way. Yeah yeah exactly. Well we had people in this area that quit that started out and they quit doing it. And we had a few neighbors too but they they just didn't give it enough time. Right you know it's back to you got out patience you got it's it is different to manage. Big thing for me was listening to Anthony and Dwayne Beck. Dwayne is a big influence. Huge. He's got an answer for every every concern he might have. And he's experienced it. Yeah yeah there's no internet a long time ago so you had that magazine come or you had maybe one or two no-till association meetings that you could go to and and and hear you know Dwayne talk or whoever they invited and and that was your that was your high for the year and then you went home and did it but now it seems like with all these institutions and organizations and things there's there's something going on all the time and the the rate at which you can learn the the techniques is rapidly increasing so that's good.