 You can now follow me on all my social media platforms to find out who my latest guest will be and don't forget to click the subscribe button and the notifications button so you're notified for when my next podcast goes live. The documentary, it just doesn't give you exactly... It makes it seem like I'm sneaking down your chimney and I'm going to take your naked fixers. Nothing like that, man. It was again like everything I did was... The whole thing was organic, right? As far as the hacking or any of that bullshit, it was more like at the beginning, like, dude, I had hundreds of millions of unique hits a day. Like, I didn't need to... Like, we were getting so many photos and videos. It wasn't like I didn't need to hack anything. It was way too loud. They were doing anything they could to get me. They were seizing my servers constantly and they found a hole with me, you know, purchasing photos as a commodity, which was a huge mistake, obviously. I wish I'd never done that. You gotta give me a break here because it was such a long time ago. Our major demographic was girls submitting their boyfriends and they don't ever talk about that. No one gives a fuck about the guys, right? What sort of money were you making, Hunter? A lot of money. Like, a lot of fucking money, dude. I don't remember numbers, but probably like 30 to 50, like, after paying my overhead a month. Like, a lot of money, dude. Well, now I'm in Columbia, but like, I could say whatever they want. Like, I could turn into... I could start dressing like Hitler, dude. What are you guys gonna do? No one can do anything. Like, you've already canceled me, dude. I'm done. You know how much time they want to give you? I was like, what? He's like, they want 54 years. And I was like, for what? What the fuck? Well, we're on. And today's guest, we've got Hunter Moore, the most hated man on the internet, apparently. Hunter, how are you? Good. How are you doing? Yeah, good. Thank you, first of all. Thanks for coming on the show. Of course. A man like to say the status with the most hated man on the internet would probably change because there's been probably more hated man over the last few years. But obviously with the Netflix documentary just coming out, it's obviously reignited some fire. And it's obviously this is everybody's talking about you again. Now, yeah, you're back to doing your interviews, back out of prison. Like, keep your head above water. But how's things, first of all? Uh, well, first of all, you got to give me a break because your accent is thick, man. And, uh, yeah, I don't know. I'm good, man. I, uh, you know, just live in life. You know, the, like you said, the Netflix documentary came out, but you know, I've moved on. I mean, that was nearly 12 years ago or that I started that website. So, um, you know, I've moved on. I guess the media hasn't yet, but yeah, I'm doing okay. That's all part and parcel of it, I guess. But I always go back to the start of my guest Hunter. Can I get a bit of understanding about yourself? Where you grew up and how it all began? Uh, sure. Yeah. Um, well, my name's Hunter Moore. Um, I grew up right outside Sacramento, California. Um, I don't know. I don't know the, I'm sure the demo for you is the UK, right? Or, uh, English and whatever. Um, so California, it's, I don't know when people think of California, especially, uh, in Europe, they just think of Los Angeles. Well, I'm from Northern California about eight hours away from Los Angeles, um, right outside the Capitol and just a really tiny, small farming community. I went grew up going to a Christian school and, uh, you know, I grew up in a very religious household. My sister was a missionary. Um, so yeah, I've been around the church my whole life and, uh, yeah, man. Once he, uh, once, uh, I came of age, like most people, you know, I finally get out of the church and you want to go crazy. And I think I just went a little too crazy. And, uh, yeah, that was pretty much, pretty much it. How old are you at school, Hunter? How well was I at school? Yeah. Were you good at school? No, hell no, dude. Hell no. I, I didn't even graduate. I think I dropped out of school in ninth grade, maybe ninth or 10th grade. I don't remember. So, um, and I got my, my general education in prison. So that was just a few years ago. So not very far. Did you get expelled from school? Uh, yeah, I got expelled and then I went to, um, you know, just for like fights and stuff. And then I went to a, what we call a continuation school. And then I just said, nah. And, uh, yeah, I mean, I was too more interested in that computer, you know, and yeah. What about mom and dad? Mom and dad, uh, salt to the earth, great people, um, uh, military family on the side of my dad, then he went, uh, he was like a national guard and then he became a technician and, uh, my mom, it's good. She worked for the city of Davis, another small community outside Sacramento. Just really good people, you know, middle class, nothing crazy. What was your first job? My first job. Damn, dude. Uh, I was a paintball referee, you know, paintball. They're fucking sore. That's so sore when you get out with those fuckers. Well, yeah, dude, I was like 15 and just, you know, come home all welted up and stuff, but it was awesome. But yeah, that was my first job. Um, but yeah, like first serious job, I worked at a skate shop, like, you know, like a skateboarding shop. Um, yeah. And then that's kind of, actually, I think that's what's that way me into being a complete scumbag because I just learned how to like bang girls at the mall and it just sent me on that pathway. I think, you know, partying and all that stuff. So that would probably be like my first real job was Sumi's. And then yeah. Yeah. So a kid who's got a good family background, good mom and dad. Yeah. You never done well at school, but you left, you got a job. You're basically just doing like any teenager would do want to make a bit of money. Fuck girls, like the basic stuff in life, if we're honest, but how did them is anyone up.com come about? Um, well, so, I mean, basically everything that's out there online is a lie. And, um, it's mostly on my part too, because I would bait the media about, you know, just, just like people do now, you know, like trying to, uh, you know, get your name out there and traffic and all this stuff. So, um, I never really gave out like the true story. Netflix doesn't, I think Netflix said I started it because a girl broke my heart or some stupid fucking thing. Um, I had, uh, I had worked at another retail shop after Sumi's that I was telling you about. And, uh, I, the, it's kind of a crazy story. The, my buddy Ray was the manager and he got me a job at this place and at this retail shop and he was like, listen, man, I can get you the job. You just got to pretend you're gay. And I was like, all right. Yeah. And so this dude, the manager, he, he hired, uh, like me and all my friends and he would like grab our butts and like try and kiss our necks and shit and like all this stuff. Well, uh, one day I was closing out the cash register and she came up from behind me and put his hands down in front of my pants and kissed my neck. And I was like, well, I was pissed. Right. So then the next day I'm talking to this girl like ringing her up and he does it again. And he's all, Hunter, why are you talking to her? We all know you're a faggot. And so I got pissed. Right. And I was, I wanted to hit him and I'll get to the point here in a second. But he, uh, so then it was like stewing in my mind, like the whole night cause he embarrassed me in front of this girl. So I'm closing out the cash register that night. He does it again. And I hit him in the face with my elbow. Boom. And we get into this huge fight. He threw me to the ground, beat my ass. I came to and he was dragging me across the floor. Long story short, I ended up suing him. And, uh, two years later, I wanted a ton of fucking money and, uh, I just kind of went crazy and started, uh, uh, just going partying. I took all that money and just traveled the world and went partying started, uh, a promotion company. I had parties in Sydney, Australia, New York City, San Francisco, whatever. And to promote all my parties, I would put it on a website in that website. I named it is anyone up.com. And so I would just post all the flyers on there for my friends and share them on at the time. It was just Facebook in my space, you know, and that's, that's how it was anyone up started. What was the first post on it? The first, the first post ever was just a flyer to one of my parties. But if you're referring to like when it became is anyone up, um, I was, there was this really famous band at the time called bless the fall. And I was banging this dude's girlfriend and I wanted to show my buddy Carlos, uh, the pictures and my friend, Lally, the pictures of the girl because she was so fine. Right. And, uh, at the time this was on, uh, I don't know if you remember AOL instant messenger, but, um, he basically you connect. It was just chat or whatever, but everybody could FaceTime will not FaceTime cam and you could, so someone couldn't save the image. You would drag it like drag and drop it and everyone in the cam like this would see the file because I didn't want them to save it. I wasn't that demented yet. And, uh, it wouldn't connect. So we kept restarting and restarting it. And then my boy Carlos and this dude, Lally, I was friends with who worked at Google at the time. He was like, just put it on as anyone up. And so I put it on as anyone up and I was going to take it down. And then all the, all the boys just started adding to it. And it went from just two or three of us to four or five of us to 10 of us. Then it just snowballed. So just from like a normal kid who's working, trying to survive, you've started up this website. It's not about revenge, revenge for XCs or revenge porn at the time. He's just doing it for flyers, parties, drugs, girls, like you've started off just to maybe grow a network. And obviously it's, it's grew arms and legs. But was it, see when you start to get in hits on it, did that become a buzz hunter? Did you feel a bit more empowered? Yeah. So, you know, the thing started completely organic. Like you said, it just started growing arms and legs, you know, and you got to understand, like right now, you know, I'm 36 years old. So this shit was sold to me. And, you know, obviously if I had this mindset now, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have done that. It just started so slow. It was like a slow burn at first, like just with the friends, you know, and it wasn't, no one knew about it. But what happened was, you know, when the 10, 12, 20 of our friends that we all went to go party with were just having a good laugh and, you know, doing our thing, a bodybuilding forum picked it up. And I think it was bodybuildingforum.com and they posted it. And overnight, it just went from zero to a fucking million. And I wasn't, like when it started, like you're saying it started getting hits. It was more like, it wasn't like a dopamine rush or like a drug at first. You know, it was like, whoa, what the hell am I doing? Like, this is crazy. I, you know, this is uncharted waters. Maybe I should take this down. Like, what is this? But then immediately afterwards, the money came. So it was like that, that fear and that, you know, the, that moral foundation that I, that I had was completely out of the fucking window because now money was involved. So I didn't really have that, that time to really process what was going on or, you know, I, and I didn't have, I didn't have anybody around me to, to be like, yo, yo, yo, let's pump the brakes here real quick. It was just like, dude, I'm fucking doing it. Yeah. So, um, yeah, I hope that answers your question a little bit. Yeah. How old were you at the time, Hunter? Oh man. I was like 22, 23, something like that. Maybe, maybe 21. Yeah. Something like that. And see when it started becoming like revenge upon like, how did that come about? Well, that, see. So like the documentary, it just, it doesn't give you exactly, it makes it seem like it was like, I'm sneaking down your chimney. And I'm going to take your naked pictures. Nothing like that, man. It was again, like everything I did was, the whole thing was organic, right? So, and I was in a music scene and a party scene. And it was just for a certain group of people. And it wasn't revenge porn or any of that stuff. It was just guys posting their exes or girls posting themselves or guys posting themselves or girls. And I mean, like it wasn't, it wasn't anything that was meant to be malicious at first. It was just kind of this thing that was like jokes. And it was, and it, like we had major record labels buying advertisements for bands. Like it was a very open and accepted thing. It didn't have that stigma yet. When Forbes came into the picture, it was the journalist Cashmere Day, I believe. She's the one that coined the term revenge porn. Revenge porn was a niche that was for ex-girlfriend porn videos online. Like, but it looked amateur, but it was porn produced. I don't know if this is like, you know, 15 years ago. So there's only fans now. But back then it was called revenge porn. And so she just was like, I don't know, I don't know what niche you fall in. And so I'm just going to call it revenge porn in this article. And that's kind of how the thing that the term got coined. But I know I keep rambling, but it was, it wasn't anything that was malicious at first for maybe the first year. It was all just good fun and people submitting themselves. It wasn't like how the Netflix documentary portrays where I'm sneaking in everyone's phones and stuff. Yeah, because it kind of portrays that you upload everything you are hacking people. You are sending nudes taking people's private photos like all the interviews you've done was kind of, it looks bad, if I'm honest, like, they've just been free under the bus listen. Obviously you're here to tell your side of the story today and that's what it's all about. Do you know what I mean? But how did this then when like girls nude photos are uploaded and the requesting to get them took down? So, okay, so you got to understand. Like I said before, this went from zero to 100, really fucking quick. I had to build out a whole system myself to, because, okay, how do I explain it? So, again, I'm a young, stupid, retarded kid, right? And the site took off from zero to 100. My main concern at the time, which was my only concern, I don't know, I've been to prison. Have you been to prison? I think you've been to prison. I don't know. I fucking hate sex offenders. And I hated them before I ever went to prison. So my only main goal was to make sure that everybody was 18 years old. That was my only fucking concern. If I was going to continue doing this and monetizing it, I need to make sure people are 18. So I built a whole system to make sure that when people submitted pictures that they would submit it, they would have to fill out a whole form and you'd have to supply EXIF data. And then we, I can't say too much because I don't want to get any more legal trouble, but we had a way of checking IDs and we would match it up with the EIF. I don't know if you know what EXIF data is at all. So ever, okay, a digital photo, like say you take it on your phone. That's why we only took digital photos is it'll give you longitude, latitude, lens flare, the whole nine yards and a date of when that picture was taken. If you screen cap a picture and send that picture, it won't have the EXIF data on it. So you would have to provide the original image so that way the dates would line up. We would put it through our system. I had all, and at the end of the day, I had five people that were age-verifying. And then it would get passed on to, then you would get posted on the site, right? As far as the hacking or any of that bullshit, it was more like at the beginning, like dude, I had hundreds of millions of unique hits a day. Like I didn't need to, like we were getting so many photos and videos. It wasn't like I didn't need to hack anything. What the, I forgot your original question because I keep fucking rambling. Yeah, that's okay. Just go on your GoPro. So, but you got to understand like, I, you know, so I'm building up this business. I'm learning the law. I'm learning US internet law, you know, the communications decency act section 230. I'm just sitting here like, you know, I have no formal education or anything. And I'm, you know, trying to run this business. And it's just, you know, I'm just an animal. I'm doing blow every fucking night drinking a party. So that didn't help either. But again, my main concern though, at the end of the day was to make sure everybody was age-verified. And that was pretty much it. I had no other, I had, I had no other liability because of the US law section 230 states that the website owner isn't liable for the content that its users post. So that's why we had the big forum. So when the user submits it, I have, I have no liability. You took all the liability, but I just need to make sure that they were 18. As far as like the hacking and stuff, we started, I started looking, you know, switching to a business mindset where like, okay, nudes are a commodity, you know, this is oil, this is fucking, you know, bottles of water, food, whatever. I started looking at it as a business. So when I would go, I would go out, I would, people would come up to me and they'd be like, bro, I've got so-and-so's photos. I'll sell them to you. Or I'd get emails like celebrities, you know, photos. And that's, that's what I would do. And I eventually created a team and I gave them a budget and they would go out and buy photos. So the reason I got in trouble is because we were buying photos. My team was buying photos. And the one of the guys who was a friend of my Rami, who was in my case where I got the money at the, you know, I told you that guy sexually harassed me and I won the money. Well, I hired my friend from that store's cousin and he was going to San Diego State University. He knew a guy, he was, they were in the club scene and they were just getting pictures for me. But this was just one of hundreds of people that we were buying photos from. And you know, the feds wanted me. I was way too loud. They were doing anything they could to get me at. They were seizing my servers constantly. And they found a hole with me, you know, purchasing photos as a commodity, which was a huge mistake. Obviously, I wish I'd never done that. And yeah, the guy was hacking them and I got a conspiracy charge. So he was arrested for hacking and doing all that stuff. But because it was associated with me and as anyone up, they gave me the conspiracy charge. So I transferred all of his charges onto me. They had him rat on me and then the other co-defendant and they gave me all the charges. Obviously, I was the name and all that stuff. So I got my co-defendant's charges. I don't know who he is. I've never met him. I don't even know what the fuck he looks like. So yeah, that's basically what happened. So you're basically just seeing dollar signs. You're not thinking about the consequences, people's feelings, people's mental health, they're just thinking money, money, money, and you're not really giving a fuck at the time. No, and it's... I don't know. I mean, I think you could probably relate, maybe, I don't know, to being 20 years old and getting all the pussy you want and just, like, I went from zero to 100, you know? And that awesome moral foundation that I started with, when it was truly put to the test, I just said, fuck it, you know what I mean? And, you know, we live and we learn, though. Do you feel you need to have that fuck it button when you're doing such things like that, where you just had to switch off completely? Yeah, it was kind of like, yeah, that's actually a good point. Yeah, it was more like, well, you know, if I'm going to do this, I guess we might as well jump in, you know? Yeah, I mean, shit. Yeah, I guess that kind of is what it was. Because obviously, it says you're the most hated man on internet, but people loved you as well, that people backed you and supported what you've done. Oh, yeah, I mean, that's the thing is, you know, the site was insane. I had a massive following. I mean, even in the Netflix documentary, people were tattooing my face on their bodies. You got to understand, like, the whole Netflix, they could have done something so fucking cool, dude. Obviously, the people on the other side, they definitely, their story needs to be told. I'm not saying that it doesn't need to be told, right? But, like, dude, it could have been so much cooler. Like, there was a whole other side and a whole other element to this thing. And like, I mean, dude, I was flowing around the world doing parties and people were coming to my shows. Like, nobody, like, you know what I mean? Like, why, okay, why would, why are people tattooing this on his leg? Like, why, you know, why was his music so popular? It was, do you know what I mean? Like, there's got, there's obviously a contrast in this story, so what's going on? So I feel like they missed the mark a little bit. It says on the documentary that they asked you to be on it and you rejected it. Is that correct? Yeah, so I was initially, so you got to understand, like, I've been through these, I mean, dude, HBO, fuck, I mean, you name it, dude. I've done filming with these fucking morons for so long. And they're all liars, dude. They're fucking hate journalists. They're fucking losers, dude. Like, they're just, I can't stand them. They're all fucking liars. They're never going to, they're not going to let me, they're not going to give me a good send off. Even if I was like, you know, just shoot myself in the head and say, I'm fucking sorry. They still, they don't give a fuck. Do you know what I mean? So excuse my language. But yeah, so I initially, I had just gotten off probation and I was in Mexico and they called me and like, I remember I was on the beach and they were like, well, the CFO, I think it was the CFO or CO or some shit of Netflix was on the phone. And it was like, once the FaceTime you would tell you that, you know, he's all excited for this and all this shit. And I was like, fuck, okay, like I'll talk to the dude from Netflix. And so they got me all riled up and I was like, fuck it, yeah, I'll do it. All right, I'll do it, you know. And then, you know, that high came down and I talked to my family and my friends and everyone was like, dude, let's fucking do this shit, like just move on. And so I was like, no, no, I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it because that itch came back, you know, like, oh, I'm going to be famous again, you know, like it started coming back. And yeah, dude, I just, I remember I was emailing with them and I was like, okay, guys, I don't know if I want to do this. Like you guys aren't going to give me any financial compensation. Like what the fuck am I getting out of this? You know, and they fucking accidentally CC'd me. It was a BCC on the whole fucking, like all of them chatting about me. And they were all talking shit about me, the producers and stuff. So I just, I replied back and I was like, yo, fuck you guys. Like if you do, you know, I just went crazy and I hired a defamation attorney and all this other shit. And that was where the fallout was. And so they didn't put that in the documentary. But yeah, I ended up, I was going to do it, but then I reneged on it. And I was just like, fuck it. And I'm glad I didn't do it. So anyway. What's the law for them using your name and your photos and stuff? Like can you sue or? No, unfortunately. So as a public figure, you can actually, you could look into it right now. There's a big thing with Hulu and Mike Tyson that's going on right now. They just did a, Hulu just did a documentary on Mike Tyson without his permission, but making it seem like he was working with them. And as a public figure in the States, like anyone can tell your story any way they want to. But you still have to abide by defamation. It's slander. You know, you can't just say I was out there, you know, sucking 10 penises a night or something like that. Like there's got to be some form of fucking truth here. And they definitely, I'd say they, there was 10% truth in that documentary. Obviously I'm a little bit biased, but they did break the law. It's just they're a behemoth and they have a lot of money and it's not just Netflix. It's raw who produced it. And they have a ton of money too. So it's going to be probably two years of discovery. So there won't be an outcome for a while. See, when you start to get all the attention in the family, like did you just start believing your own height and start living in a bubble where it was like a different world? Like what you felt untouchable, because obviously some of your interviews, you genuinely didn't give a fuck with stuff. You says that it was just so off the cuff, but did you believe that was going to take you to certain heights where it wouldn't come back and bite you in the ass, basically? Well, look it, but I'll say it like this. It's really easy to look at everything now in hindsight, especially where we are culturally. I mean, we're both in the West and obviously, well, I'm not a fucking liberal. So, you know, just letting you know, but it's easy. I just know everything's been placified in the last 12 to 15 years. And it's really easy to look back now and judge what was happening in the past, especially when we're in such a sensitive time now. So, you know, saying all that crazy shit or whatever is like, yeah, I mean, I guess it was crazy, but you got to understand I was running a business and a lot of that stuff was calculated. And at the time, you know, now, like, obviously, the timeline's all fucked up, but like a lot of the stuff I was saying was to get, you know, press from the mainstream media. I mean, people will do the same shit. No, it's the same fucking thing. It's just, it was a different type of baiting because, you know, we were coming out of fucking the early 2000s, man. And, you know, it wasn't like now where, you know, everything's so placified, but I mean, I do agree. I did say some probably some crazy shit, but I don't know, you got to give me, you got to give me a break here, because it was such a long time ago. What was the Anderson live when you went on and two of the girls who are like victims are when they get nudes sent in, but you sat next to them like, what made you do that? Again, man, like I told you, everything is a fucking lie. Those were my friends, dude. What? Yeah, we all flew on the plane together. Like, dude, the little skinny girl, okay, that dude Brody that was sitting next to me in the purple sweater, that was my best friend. We flew on the plane, and then we both tagged team that girl in the fucking hotel right after. Like this shit is, they call it cooking. They call it cooking the show. Like that girl used to submit her nudes all the time, so she could get Twitter followers. She's from Roosevelt, California. I'm from Woodland. It's about 30 minutes away. Like, bro, we're all friends. We all flew on the same flight together. We all flew home. We all got fucked up together. It's all a lie. It's all a fucking lie. Anyways. Fucked up, man. People are, I watched that and I'm thinking he takes some balls to be sitting out across from two girls and basically saying it's your own fault for sending nudes. A lot of the girls whose nudes are there, like they says that stuff was hacked stuff and that you're just saying, well, you shouldn't be sending them. Did you find yourself arguing a lot with people who says nothing? But that's the thing, dude. There was only that minimal amount of stuff was hacked. Everything else was like self-submitted. And our major demographic was girls submitting their boyfriends, and they don't ever talk about that. No one gives a fuck about the guys, right? But there was more fucking penises on that site than there was vaginas. Just letting you know. You could go to the Wayback Machine and look at how is anyone up was. I mean, I don't know if you want to look at a bunch of penises. But anyway, I'm just saying like, it's just convenient the way they tell this story. And that's because, excuse my language, the whole media is ran by gays and females and radical feminists. So of course they're not going to say anything about the men, but our biggest demographic was girls submitting their boyfriends or boys or whatever, girls submitting themselves, and girls on the comments talking about other girls. So it's not like this wasn't, like the hack stuff was just like a 0.5% of what all the content was on the site. And we had articles, segments. There was all kinds of shit. It wasn't just fucking pictures of naked people. I mean, there was, but there was a bunch of other stuff. So yeah, I just think the idea of, it's just really frustrating. I'm sorry, man, that the idea of the site has just been so twisted by the media. It's like the site was, it was fun and it was awesome. I mean, but there was men and women. There wasn't just a bunch of hacked photos. It was anyone up or sorry, it was only fans before only fans. You know what I mean? When did it start, when did you start feeling the hate from like the police and stuff like, was that later on? Or was there always concerns? No, so I, so the last like six to eight months, I had a completely stepped away from the site. And it was because at that time I was, I rented a Maserati because I, dude, I was like fucking out of my mind, right? And I rented a Maserati and what we were driving to Reno, Nevada. And I hadn't smoked weed in like 10 years. And I'm with all my friends and we're like just doing bumps and smoking and fucking hit me, dude. Like the weed hit me and I'm driving and we're driving. And it looked like I was driving completely up. Like that's how high I was. And I got a phone call from my business manager and he's like, what the fuck are you doing? And I was like, what? I'm driving, going party. And he's like, the FBI just, just raided our servers and just took everything, the sites down. And I was like, what? And I was high out of my mind, dude. And I just like, I felt like I was going to have a fucking heart attack. I had to pull over and he was just like freaking out. Like I could hear him shaking. And then my server guy called me and he's like, the feds are at my door, dude. They want all the access to all the servers and all this crazy shit. And like, yeah, it was horrible, man. And then it was actually really fucked up is because everyone was like, I was like, I'm driving home, but I was so high that no one told me I was still driving to Reno. So I ended up going to Reno party. But anyways, yeah, so that was like the first time. But then it was just a consistent thing where like, we would get servers, they would go, they'd raid our servers, wouldn't find anything. It was just a fucking cat and mouse game. And then I just stepped away from the site completely the last like nine months. And yeah, that was pretty much it. What sort of money were you making, Hunter? A lot of money. Like a lot of fucking money, dude. It was like, I don't remember numbers, but like 30 to 50, like after paying my overhead a month, like a lot of money, dude. Do you think the greed then catches up with you where you just basically sell your soul just to keep continuously trying to make money to feed the party lifestyle? Well, no, because the thing, the money was never like, to me, the money was nothing, dude. Like I, you just gotta understand, like everything was paid for me because not only did I have the website, I had a music career as well. And then I had a Twitter career, a social media career after that. So like people were flying me places, you know, free, free drugs, hotels, like none of that stuff. You know, I was taking care of my family. Like I was, I was doing, you know, I was doing well, but like the money wasn't, the money was never a factor for me. It was all just feeding this fucking ego machine, man. Like just, just pussy and drugs and just, just getting bigger and like watching my follower account go up. And it was just like, wow. But the money, the money was nothing, dude. It was just, it was just consuming more for my ego. You know? Yeah. See when you started going mainstream and obviously it's loving hate then, like people did love you and backed everything you'd done and obviously people hated you, but did anyone ever try and attack you outside of it? No. See that's, I mean, see that's kind of the problem that I think I had is that, you know, I grew up fighting, you know, like I love to fight, like I'm an aggressive dude. You know, I grew up, I didn't grow up in the hood or nothing, but I grew up fighting and, you know, it was kind of like, I was thrown into this industry where it was like a bunch of pussy nerds who like, you know, they're just like coders and shit. And I'm just like this fucking little half Mexican, half white ghetto-ish kid that's in that industry, right? So like, if you followed me on any of that stuff, like I would press people like, bro, you want to talk shit, we'll come here. Like I would try and fly people out to me. I would post my address. Like I'd go to parties like, fuck it, let's do it, let's meet it, let's run it. Like nobody ever pressed me. I had one guy, well, I got into a, I was doing a club in Dallas and this guy pissed me off and I got into a fight and I broke my hand and I was on the plane. This old man pressed me at the bathroom on the plane and almost got into a fight there and that was the only fucking time. And I was saying like I'm badass and I could beat everybody up. It was just like, I was never going to let anybody punk me but the only time I really had an issue was like that old man and that was it. But everybody else was like, still to this day like, bro, I'm in fucking Columbia, motherfuckers want pictures with me still. Like I've never had a bad experience. You know what I mean? What was the most viewed video on isanyoneup.com? Man, this is a long time ago. Like we really didn't put videos on the site. Like it was just the images. Just pictures. No, we had some videos but this was like when the iPhone 4 came out. That's how long ago this shit was, dude. So it wasn't, like the bandwidth that is just the technology wasn't really there to serve videos back then. You know what I mean? Like people were on 3G, bro. Like we're on 5GX or some shit now. So yeah, it was mostly images. What was the worst images you've seen? So the, and you know I've said this a million fucking times that nobody's ever put this in any interview or whatever. But the reason I really, like besides, you know, I had a lot of stress with the site and stuff, but the really bad stuff that like kind of set me over the edge was, you know, after Anderson Cooper was when it, like I told you earlier, like this was a scene, you know, it was a music scene. But once the mainstream media caught on, that's when all the fucking weirdos came out. Like all of the weirdos, dude. And so that's when we started getting like CP, you know, then we started getting like death, what I call death revenge was, and it was always women or girls, they would find like pictures of a girl that maybe died, that they knew that died in a car accident or hung themselves and they got pictures and they would submit that making fun of the person or people cutting off dogs' heads and having sex with them, like just crazy shit. And that's why I stepped back and I had a team take over because it was just too much for me, man. Like I know like people think I'm probably the, you know, the most hated man on the internet, like a horrible person, but like I still have a, it was still just too much for me, man. Like it wasn't fun, it wasn't, do you know what I mean? It was, yeah. So anyways. But like I say, obviously the documentaries and stuff can paint you out as a fucking monster. And obviously speaking to you today, I don't know your full story. I can only judge by speaking and you seem quite level headed. You've obviously matured from the 21, 22 year old kid who didn't really give a fuck and not really caring about the consequences. Obviously you'll have girls broken hearted and struggling with that. And a lot of people may have been suicidal. A lot of people may have took their own life with some of those images getting released that back then it was, I don't think it was extreme social media. As it is now that it can be ruthless, like so many people take their lives now because they want to fit in with everybody else, never mind images getting leaked like. But some girls obviously, is it the woman Charlotte Loz, she seems to be always on at you because it was that because her daughter images were released. I don't know how to say it. So obviously this, you know, the ladies written a book about me, you know, she's been dying to be famous her whole life. She's, you know, found this one little thing and, you know, has ran with it. I don't like to mention her because it's to be honest, she creeps me out. She would sit outside in front of my parents house. She would, I mean, you could look type in Buzzfeed, Hunter Moore, Charlotte Loz. She would follow me in costumes around the country and spy on me. I mean, her, the reason I was, the reason I was tried and sent in or that I was arrested was her name. Okay. Her name is Charlotte Loz, right? Well, her husband is named Charles Purcell. Charles Purcell is a one of the top federal mediators in Los Angeles. The federal courthouse that I was sent in Los Angeles, her husband's office was right above there. He knew the judge. He knew everyone. When I got sent in, this whole family was there and they were kissing and hugging the federal prosecutors and all this shit. This lady has, I mean, dude, it's been fucking 12 years, bro. You're still exploiting your daughter's busted ass titties. Like, bro, how old are you now? Like, let's just move the fuck on. No one gives a fuck. No one, like, no. Dude, like, I understand like, okay, maybe your daughter was hacked. Maybe she wasn't whatever the fuck. I'm sorry, but like, it's it's been a it's been a long time and I'm supposed to be the crazy one yet. I'm the only one who's moved on and you know, that was one of the main reasons that I didn't do the Netflix documentary is because this, I don't I don't care about me like, you know, obviously I need to pay, you know, I need to have some consequences for what I've done. But at the end of the day, it's my family, my friends, you know, everybody else that I didn't care about back in the day now having to relive this over and over again. And this lady just will not fuck off. And, you know, it's it's really it's really weird and it's really creepy at this point. But it is what it is. I have to live with this the consequences of my actions. So but you know, there is a there is a long documented other side of the story and I don't think we could even get into it in such a small time frame. But, you know, there I don't know, man, if you just poke around a little bit, I think it's pretty transparent to people with a little bit of a brain. Yeah. So anyways, you made money off other people's images and stuff. So it looks like other people are making money off you know that do you see that resemblance? Well, no one's making money because Netflix doesn't pay for documentaries but Netflix is making money. Yeah, I mean I mean, I don't know, it's kind of funny to be honest, but the I mean, I think it's it's it's like, oh it's came full circle. The issue is that I, you know, I have a book for sale. So it's like, they made me so much goddamn money when that Netflix documentary came out, which I didn't think they thought would happen. But yeah, as long as everybody's get paid, it is what it is. I mean it's been so long and I mean definitely though, if you were exploited on the site, you know I think, yeah, maybe you should definitely get some compensation, but yeah. You seem to have manipulated that you know how to play the media very well for your own advantage, whether it was positive or negative press like, what was it like when it started going mainstream hunter? Like did you see the massive change in the attention? Um yeah, I mean, like I said, you know it went from, you know went from just the scene, like I said like my scene, my immediate party scene and the band scene, I guess and yeah, I'm telling you it started with Forbes, like once Forbes came to me, it's yeah, it completely changed. I mean, you know, I had Facebook coming after me and gotten that fucking thing with Mark Zuckerberg and I just, yeah it was just like yeah, it was just a whole another animal but I loved it dude, like it was just, oh okay you guys really want to fuck with me, I'll show you I'll fuck with you back. The issue was that my presence online, you know, was so big and so massive, I was bigger than the BBC's fucking Twitter account, I was bigger than all these people, so when they would put out these lies dude, we would just bombard them, you know, the second I was arrested and they took my social media and I couldn't defend myself and I had my hands tied behind my back, then it was just a relentless assault and then they changed the narrative of what as anyone up was and that was the hardest part for me you know, but when I was able to speak it was easy, because I loved it, but yeah Did they cancel you? Yeah, you must have been one of the first You know what, dude, it's crazy like, you know, I'm canceled or whatever the fuck, because I'm the most hated man in the world, it is a blessing dude, like I can do whatever the fuck I want, like I work for my well, actually I'm kind of retired now but like I have my own money like I fuck it, well now I'm in Columbia but like I could say whatever the want like I could turn into, I could start dressing like Hitler dude, what are you guys going to do? No one can do anything, like you've already canceled me dude I'm done, so it's kind of reeling and liberating, so What do you think the biggest buzz for you was back then? The cocaine and the pussy dude When did the court charges start coming through? I got raided my house got raided in 2012 so I don't know how it is over there but the feds here, they raid you then like the discovery process starts and you'll just be like oh I'm good, nothing's going to happen because years could pass so I was like, oh everything's good and I had already sold my website and I started my influencer career, this was like before influencer term I guess started and I was just doing twitter and stuff and living my life and yeah I got off a flight and I tweeted back in Khalifa is what I tweeted and like they knew I was at home or something and they came that fucking morning and took me away What you thinking then, did you ever realize it would come to that? No dude, oh man that's a whole another story dude, like they so they come they come to the door and they were like hey man you remember when we were here a few years ago and I was like yeah they were like alright well you're under arrest here's your your fucking whatever it was your indictment but it's sealed so we're going to take you to court and I was like what the fuck and I was in my underwear but I had just smoked like to go to bed so I was like like you know I was only asleep for maybe two hours so I'm still hella high and I'm like what the fuck and uh so I go to the courthouse and you know they cut your fucking laces out of your shoes and all that bullshit and they take me there and they put me in you know the unibomber you remember the unibomber they were like dude you get to go into the unibomber cell and like they have my fucking hands my neck to my feet all this shit and they got me chained I can't even like scratch my balls or anything I'm just stuck to the fucking bench and they were like alright man we're going to wait till you get to court and I still don't know what the fuck is going on you know just like alright so I'm waiting for my attorney because I had put it when I got rated I put an attorney on retainer and I was like fuck I hope he hears about this it shows up and he was there and uh so I go to court and they were like listen there's too much hype there was media everywhere they were like well we're going to reschedule this for tomorrow so they take me to county to the county jail and which was right across the street from the federal courthouse and they were like okay your attorney wants to see you know after they make you drop your pants and spread your butt cheeks and all that stuff they were like okay your boyfriend your your lawyer wants to see you so they put me in the thing and he was like alright bro he's like he slams it down the paper and it's like the glass plexiglass thing with all like people's carved shit in there all the gang stuff and he was like alright man this right here and he slides it to me he's like this right here you're fucked I was like what he's like do you know how much time they want to give you and I was like what he's like they want 54 years and I was like for what what the fuck you know and he was like I don't know he's like this shit is crazy and you gotta understand man like this was 2000 it was January 23rd 2014 it like these are like crazy boomer dudes never understood or never even studied internet law don't even know what the communications decency act is they don't know section 230 they don't know any of this shit like these are just straight boomers dude and they don't so just to even find somebody willing or knowingly how to defend that was a challenge onto itself so him this attorney well accomplished attorney he he just was like I just don't understand this I don't know what the fuck to do you know he ended up getting me out on bail for I don't know it was like 150,000 bail 150,000 dollar bail or some shit and I had all these crazy restrictions basically house arrest for two years and I fought my case for two years and then yeah it was pretty much it when did you get what did you get sentenced to two and a half years yeah so that was a wild ride onto itself so like I told you my co-defendant the guy that was hacking he you know I couldn't do anything because he was telling me right so because he was a rat he gets a it's called a 5k one which you don't want on your paperwork in prison he was gonna get a 5k one to tell on me so he was basically gonna get like you know three months or some shit and so I couldn't go to trial so what happened was I so during that two years we were we went from 54 years to 52 years then to 14 years so in the federal sentencing guidelines there's a scale and depending on your like your priors and the type of felony it is like you just work over right so there's there's it's all mandatory minimums which was the crime bill that Bill Clinton Joe Biden all of them signed in the 90s there's it's called a mandatory minimum and so it's just a fucking scale and and that was it so it was like I went from 1454 to 14 because charges started dropping off you know and they started consolidating everything so the 54 years was like five it was like 500 counts of aggravated identity theft and they turned that to one you see what I'm saying so it slowly started coming down but then I lived with knowing I was going to get 14 years for a year and I mean you know for a kid that you know was on this high to that you know I wanted to fucking kill myself and then anyway so then at the I was going to I was like fuck it will go to trial you know like it doesn't matter I would get anywhere from seven to 14 years but it was going to be really expensive but then an amazing thing happens the federal guidelines were changing for white for white color criminals so I was a white color criminal because a hack industry and the problem was I was being sentenced in on October 23rd or something or no it was yeah it was October 23rd or whatever but the guidelines didn't change till November 2nd so I wasn't going to benefit right but if I could benefit from it I would only get um it was 12 months to 30 months like that was the man like that's all they could give me right but they they pushed back my co-defendant so he was going to get sentenced on the day the guidelines changed except then I was going to get sentenced right before him and they were doing that to give me the more time you know the prosecutor so my new hired a new attorney he went to school with the judge and he he called her and we're all on the phone and he was a shitty fucking hated me right and he was like he's like look at he's like these uh I forgot it was like the way that they rated his house and this charge uh the feds did something illegal so we need $10,000 and to push the date back to investigate this and she was like I just need to get off the phone here I'll send this over to my assistant and that saved me man I would still be in prison to this day if she didn't push back my my charge so I ended up getting sentenced later and I only got the 30 months which was the max sentence and uh yeah what you thinking when there's a possibility of getting 14 years 20 years 50 years that did you genuinely believe you could have got 54 years yeah I mean I you know I've been in trouble before but not not like that man and you know uh you know state versus I mean I don't I don't know how it is over there but here it's state and federal right state if you have the money you can you can normally fight it and they're gonna do everything they can to keep you out of prison right so then uh I mean as long as you're not a violent offender but in the feds they have a 98.9% conviction rate like you bro you're going to prison you're going to you're going to prison unless you're a crazy rat and like a narco or some fucking thing so yeah I was fucked I was completely fucked and then you know they you then you get online and you know you start searching shit you know like when you're sick and you get on WebMD and everything says you have cancer like that's kind of what like what it was you know and uh so yeah it was pretty horrible but I will say though that wasn't the hardest part about it the situation at all the hardest thing for me was getting off of fame that like cloud like internet cloud and the internet fame that was like did probably getting off fucking heroin like the hardest craziest heroin there could ever be that was the hardest thing for me and I still battle with it every day because I want to come back to the internet Netflix really put me to the test but I could go through the federal system again and but I wouldn't wish ever going through getting off fame again dude that's fucking horrible do you think that's why you haven't retaliated because you're a man who doesn't really sit back and let others talk about them without responding but do you think that 54 years possibility has scared you off a bit um yeah for sure um and that's why I live here now hahahaha hahahaha um you know I you know I love my country like I'm a devout fucking nationalist like you know I love my country I hope I can fight and die for my country at some point but when you get to peak behind the curtains you know how I was treated and I'm not saying like you know I don't I didn't deserve any consequences I definitely did I'm not saying that but and even just removing myself from the situation you know um the horrible shit that I saw I dealt with in prison and just the way oh man it just really I mean it really puts you it was just a really insane reality check for me you know and uh yeah I don't I hope to never experience that again and um yeah I guess it did scale me back a little bit in some ways but you know I'm also not 20 years old bro like I'm fucking 36 years old full grown man like can't be running around like that anymore but um you know there's more than one component to this thing it's not just one thing you know how was the mental health side of things that obviously you'll have victims watching and people who didn't want their images used will say it's karma but how were you in a mental state when you were going through that sort of stuff um it was all just selfish dude it wasn't like in that time it was I didn't care you know it was nobody else's issue or it wasn't um it was like it wasn't me that did anything wrong it was everybody else you see what I'm saying like it was and that's how like I uh had to like how I was dealing with that at first but you gotta again though like I was a fucking drug addict just a selfish piece of shit like I didn't even talk to my family really or anything besides giving them money like it wasn't you know so I just reverted back into that natural state that I was in you know so it wasn't until later that um you know I started you know coming to the realization of you know having to deal with stuff in a more mature way so um yeah I don't know how did your parents react to it all um I don't know my mom's yeah yeah no I mean like you know I in my town Woodland California like dude I'm I'm loved by everybody you know I'm part of three men's clubs at home like I do a lot of stuff for the community I've been a member of the Carlton Club I was like I'm on the board over there I mean it's a big men's club been around since 1909 whatever well Elks Club member uh Legion whatever um I do a lot for the community and people respect me man so and they respect my family like my grandfather was the chief of police there like you know the so you know people you know in the community never haven't really given us a hard time or any of that stuff like everyone supported you know when the journalist comes to the house the whole fucking neighborhood comes out or they're calling us or they're fucking calling the cops like I got old gale across the street from my parents house if anybody fucking comes to my parents house she's out there in her wheelchair man she's ready to fucking go dude so um you know they as far as like being in the community and protecting my parents and stuff like they're that was always okay but um you know it was just really stressful for them like being in the media and all that stuff and then when this fucking Netflix documentary coming out and having to relive everything after I moved on and you know did my time and all that stuff and then they're getting messages on facebook and you know people telling my mom to kill herself and you know that that's that that was hard but you know now it's all kind of blown over but can you see like the connection as well because see on like anyone up anyone up dot com did you not have the people's social media links to that photos as well hunter again that now you gotta remember bro that what they're saying has always been twisted right so again it was an open forum like I said I never personally put anybody's anything all I did was make sure it was 18 I press submit it was the community like they would start submitting people's links so again but yes I understand what you're saying um yeah I mean yeah it does come full circle and you know I thought about that a lot and like me and my dad you know we you know we talk about it stuff and uh yeah I mean it is what it is you know what can I what can I do um I just hope to you know maybe at 20 years uh we could I could finally just live my life you know how would you treat how were you treated in prison uh I'm good dude uh it sucked you know I had to join a white gang and all this shit like I'm from California and I had to do prison time in Beaumont Texas which is on the Louisiana Texas border um you know I think I don't you know I'm Mexican and white so I didn't uh you know I don't really subscribe to the race shit but you know I had to in prison you know what I mean but because I was from California I as I got vetted people I wasn't a sex offender and all that other or a rat um I kind of got to hide behind being from California so I got to hang out with all racists man and no but eventually um it was cool I mean I couldn't hang out with sex vendors or anything but I could hang out with the blacks or the Mexicans or Pisces whatever um just because I was from California people were like oh he's just the weird California guy who's not racist so uh yeah how many do you ask to join a gang as soon as you're in prison in California well no I was in Texas but in California yeah yeah but as soon as I walked into the dorm uh I got you know they all everybody um you know the whatever but not the shot callers the fucking I forget all the prison shit now but yeah they all come up to you and they check you for your paperwork um but you know I was so green I didn't have paperwork so they gave you 30 days um to produce your paperwork I got it I don't know like three or four days and uh yeah I just the I could either have ran independent or with the the look I forget which the I forget which Mexican fucking gang but anyways or the whites but the whites the whites didn't uh they had like the best they got the best food and had the best bunks I was like fucking I'll just go with it so yeah was that much trouble and these prisons hunt now yeah I mean uh I mean not for me you know because I I didn't I you know I went into the mindset of um I'm not gonna gamble I'm not gonna watch sports you know I just I wanted to I wanted to like better myself so I just stayed studying and working out that's like all I did every fucking day just worked out um I ended up changing my religion to native so I got to start doing um you know uh building sweat lodges doing a ton of stuff with the the natives in prison and you know just learned a lot sing songs got to smoke pipe peace pipes and all kinds of shit I mean to be honest dude prison prison was fucking awesome it was kind of one of the probably the better times of my life like I learned a lot it was met amazing people uh yeah it was it was awesome to be honest um I mean it was horrible at the same time but yeah do you think that's what changed you maybe matured you a bit and seen the world a bit differently yeah yeah I mean yeah of course in some ways but uh you know I am still who I am you know but yeah it it definitely did but um you know there was some horrific shit in there that kind of fucked me up but I still kind of like PTSD from that shit um but uh like what yeah I don't want to talk about it just you know watching people die and shit like that just fucked up bullshit but um you know and I lost two friends in there which was fucked up but uh yeah it just uh yeah it puts it into reality you know I got a reality check a little bit in that sense because you know I've never failed at anything which that was like my another big like hurdle for me is that everything I've ever done I've always been successful at it doesn't matter like every business every fucking thing like that I start as anyone up and it's it just blows up you know like I start doing twitter blows up like everything I do I've always fucking excel that um but then I failed and I had to learn to fail and I think learning to fail is actually more important than succeeding and that took me I think that was probably one of the bigger lessons for me so for a kid who's then thriving who's then made media headlines that worldwide like and then in prison like how does that moment then come to like what you're thinking where the fuck did I go wrong like mental health start slipping you lose friends in prison like it's such a short reality for where you used to be in that bubble thinking you're untouchable to then in prison mental health slipping and losing friends like how hard was that like to try and move on faster just something you have to deal with yeah no I had a this dude fuck I forget his name he was such a good dude we used to play handball together and like I was stressing the fuck out and like you could tell when people are stressing especially in prison you know and uh this and I I like because all I was doing was like I was like fuck I gotta get out of here you know like my mind was going back to the streets you know like like meaning like I was I was on street time you know for like like I don't know how to explain like you know I wasn't fully I wasn't like this is my world now you know and so I was dealing with all this crazy shit and we're playing handball and he was like he was just like bro you gotta get your head out of the streets like the second you do that this thing's gonna go by so fast and you're gonna get out of here um just focus just focus on here like to fucking cut all your bridges stop talking to your lady like just you know you only got a few more months left and that fuck dude that just set me off like it kind of opened the gate for me and I was kind of like just free like I I stopped talking to like all the girls I was hanging on to and like getting updates from home and all that shit and then it and I just focused on prison dude and that's what got like literally cleared my mind and I mean dude the days were going so fast it felt like like I know it was just so it was just crazy like I remember folding my blanket well like maybe a month before I was leaving and the day like making my bed it was like 6 30 a.m. and I was like fuck dude I was just having deja vu because that's how fast the day I felt like I was just doing it do you know what I mean like the days were just so yeah it was yeah and then I just started becoming happy again why did you sell is anyone up.com because in the documentary it says you sell it for $12,000 to an anti-billion campaigner come on bro couldn't just fuck out of here so first of all that is a fucking lie second of all the other thing is this that lawyer I don't even know who the fuck that is dude like where's my retainer show me the retainer I don't know even know who the fuck that guy is I don't know who the fuck that dude is I don't know anyways I guess they're just hiring anybody bum off the street but you think you would at least show the retainer so you would know that he was actually my attorney but anyways no that wasn't true I you know there's again I have to be careful with what I say because there is a contract and there's you know monetary that actually I mean I'm here I ain't gonna fucking find me here but yeah I just want to be careful but that's definitely a lie I mean dude you can look at my old Alexa rating ranking actually I don't even think Alexa is still around I was getting millions of hits a month dude I'm definitely not selling the fucking site for $12,000 I made that on ad revenue in a week probably so no that's definitely not true what about is it butthole girl like who the who is she like there's some mad stories and I'm thinking like it's so far fetched all that shit like that is mad like who was she oh my god this is what I'm saying like the site was awesome so like we I start you know who Howard Stern is right yeah yeah mad guy yeah you know how he well he had this thing called the whack pack right well I had my own whack pack which was like all these crazy characters so like dude we used to have competitions and stuff like we used to have girls sword fight you know they put two knives in their buttholes and fucking like crazy shit right yeah that's what I was saying like the site was insane and people would do like like you're just thinking like I'm on here posting people's pics like ha ha fuck you here's your twitter account no dude this was people like we would hold challenges and raffles and all kinds of shit butthole girl she wanted to be famous so fucking bad and I think you should you could probably tell that from her being in this Netflix documentary I mean no one knew you were butthole girl anymore now you're literally butthole girl till the day you fucking died so she wanted to be famous she hit me up and she was like can you make me a website and I was like yeah I'll make you a website which I had no intention of making her a fucking website she was just on can and wanted to get make it and I was like okay well let me record this video and you know for is anyone up and with the video you can go on e fucked dot com and it's still there which the webmaster is amazing but if you want to see the funny the whole video it's really awesome e fucked dot com I think it's just webmaster tells girl to stick something in her butt or something out of it anyway she was like she told me she had a magical butthole that's how we obviously why wouldn't bro come on I'm 20 something years old like you telling me of a magic butthole and I get to watch you put stuff in it like why the fuck wouldn't I do that like are you out of your fucking mind you wouldn't watch that like just to watch it I'd still do that now anyways so she you don't have to answer but so she she I'll answer it when the cameras are off bro so she's sitting there she's putting odor eaters in her butt fucking deodorant like dude she's filming around the house and I'm like yeah stick that in your ass and then I was like put your phone in your ass and let me call it and so she put her phone in her ass and it vibrated up like dude and then she let me put it on the website and then we started every week we would have a poll and people would vote on the objects that they wanted butthole girl to stick in her butt and then she would stick those in her butt like that so anyways the fact look at her name is destiny benedict she's amazing I'm still friends with her to this day you can follow her on instagram she she's a sweetheart right she's just maybe I wish you would I I feel like I've exploited people obviously right but I felt like Netflix exploited destiny and took advantage of her more than I ever could dude and I don't want to call her dumb or anything like she's an amazing beautiful girl but I really feel horrible I that was the only thing that really I don't care about Charlotte Laws or that shit but I just felt horrible that they did that to destiny and let her do that did you watch the Netflix documentary yourself yeah I watched the first episode because I looked hella I looked funny dude like they put they put I fuck fat girls that have a small figure I was cracking up and then my friends here they had they we did like a little movie night or whatever we watched it but it was so fucking boring dude I got to like I don't know the half of the second one and I just said fuck it I'm gonna watch it it was too slow how much do you miss that old life hunter I don't miss I don't miss it dude don't fucking lie bro it must be part of you thinking because you look at things like jackass now like it's all men and they do some fucking mad shit people sit in the cinema they watch and laugh I'm not saying that you're jackass but I'm saying that some of the content in there is jackass like do you not think some of the context so fucked up that people are intrigued by it like obviously you've just admitted that you exploit people some people may feel groomed at but again you've not forced anyone to be doing these things no no I mean yeah but to circle back to do I miss it I mean dude here's the thing I still get insane amount of pussy right and I'm in the fucking cocaine capital of the world so like I could still have that lifestyle if I wanted to I'm not saying I'm like fucking Andrew Tate or anything over here but like my that but that life of living a negative fucking just just all that nasty shit the fake people the fucking just it was just gross bro I but it also comes with age maturity I think you know what I mean and there's obviously some I mean dude I got the best ass in my life at that time so obviously I missed that but other than that I don't ever want to live in that headspace like that again so it's not worth it why is it within this day in society that we get so caught up in views and likes it is a drug like you say it's worse than heroin you get so consumed by trying to feel popular or trying to do that shit just to create numbers to then try and feel important why do you think that is in this day and age it's got worse and it's only gonna get worse I mean why that is I mean I don't do this just it's that dopamine hit man they've programmed it to just be all day man you're leveling up it's a real life video game you know what I mean and not only are you having a monetary value to what you're doing you are constantly having to push the envelope to maintain that your new drug addiction and that little fucking number dude like I mean I'm sure you check your subscriber count every fucking day that's your level in life now that's how people see you that's how people are judging you and you know that's I mean it is what it is and it's only gonna get worse and I mean like you can attribute to just you know the subscriber count and all this stuff to I mean at least in America is the violence that is happening I mean dude it's everything is is being magnified times 10 because people want that cloud I mean look at fucking Chicago look at I mean fuck look at where I'm from bro like people are doing the most wildest shit and telling on themselves on Instagram live and then fucking shooting at each other and it's all for cloud and for anything else dude it's just for cloud and I don't we haven't even seen the fucking peak of this shit yet and it's only gonna it's all sorry oops I got a there go I just think it's gonna get I don't know man someone who lived there I just feel like yeah yeah I suppose that's why I interview colorful characters controversial characters I've had Andrew take on I'm interviewing yourself like it's because it gets people to talk and it gets people to talk it gives me free publicity free publicity just means more money that I've got a family to feed I don't give a fuck what people say my job is just to let people tell their story from their side I don't pass judging do you know what I mean it's not my fucking job I ain't a fucking judge jury I'm just here to create a story people can go to know what he's actually nice guy people can say you know what I think he's still whatever that we can't please everybody no hell no no I mean yeah I don't really I mean dude I don't lose any sleep over that shit either though did you ever like when it got so fucking heavy like how did you handle the comments like the negatives see that's the thing man I I that that's what's hard for me is because I get off on that shit I fucking love it I love the negative stuff that's that because I I know you're a fucking loser like I know you're a fucking loser and so like the fact that you're even giving me this attention is just like I'm not you're feeding do I mean you might you're feeding the bear bro and I'm just gonna keep coming back you know for more food and that was that that right there was my biggest downfall is that right there is because that's what got me off and yeah so I don't know this is you're going to make a comeback and make a new website bigger and stronger and more controversy is that a lot of shit not so there was I was in I flew to New York for a party and my friend Damien he used to like sell me coke in New York and I was like bro come meet the Washington Post this watching this chick from the Washington Post and he was like oh you think we could fuck her I was like I don't know so we go to this bar she meets us and we were just fucking with her the whole time and we were like yeah dude being Damien he's by on my new team and we started as anyone up 2.0 and now we have we're using Google Maps and we're gonna put your house address I was just saying the most land is fucking shit there was never anything but it's just a bait and switch dude and then they all ran with it like it was real I never did any of that so how hard is it like looking back at it when you start growing a bit of a conscience you start seeing the world a little differently we get older like do you feel for people or just a case of do you know what's in the past fuck it you know I you know it was such a big part of my life obviously like for a while there when I was on probation I was on federal probation for 3 years and you know talking to my fucking probation officer and god damn bitch dude I fucking hated her she hated me she made me relive this shit constantly and it was just it's so cringy like you know when you look at old photos of yourself and you look like a fucking little asshole like imagine times a billion dude like it's not just high school for your book anymore I mean this shit was everywhere and people can Google me like type in Hunter and fucking Google and it shows Hunter more and it's a little goofy picture of me and it says webmaster like ah but you know I just the again I don't dwell on it I now I just think it's funny and it's it's just a part of my my journey and my character dude so I gotta embrace it did you ever get therapy Hunter yeah what shit yeah like crazy dude like I've had youth counseling to fucking I mean I've had so many miss English Mr. Macken or Dr. Macken Dr. Valerie I've had dude I've been to them all bro so yes I have do you think it helps as an individual because we'll fuck up we'll make mistakes we'll think like I haven't of your murderers the biggest drug lords on the planet like at that time it felt right for them but obviously as they get older the mature they realize the destruction the pain they cause that do you think fairy helps to then see the world a little differently I don't know man I like you know I've done a lot of therapy I mean group therapy one-on-one fucking NA SA I've done all kinds of shit right um and now like I thought it I don't know dude and I feel bad even saying this but I feel like I've had more success like the reading and just trying to learn about myself then doing therapy if that makes sense and I'm not knocking it like obviously everyone has their own route and their own way to deal with their issues for me though I feel I feel like I've had a I've had more success doing it on my own and I think that's just like how I that's just my natural state but that's for me and I mean I did years I did eight years of different types of therapy so like I feel like I'm kind of a vet in this um but yeah I don't know everyone's got their own thing different strokes for different folks I guess why did you choose Columbia to live uh cocaine I'll see you tomorrow bro I'll see you tomorrow I know I'm all fun I mean bro bro look at this it is just the it's the most beautiful fucking country and you know the people are it's just a brush of fresh air like it feels like it feels like America in the 90s man like um you know obviously there's poverty and stuff but not like in America like these people think I'm fucking lying about just how bad California is right now and the violence and all that stuff and here it's just the people are amazing man like it's not the rat race isn't here like it's it's cheap people you know it's a real real Catholic culture um you got it's just I fucking love it so yeah see I don't want to touch too much on it but see I know a lot of girls are posted naked pictures obviously you said there's more men but in some girls responding to requested to get photos taken down what would you but how would you have felt if it was your sister and someone done that to her yeah you know I've been asked this question a million fucking times um but uh I mean not so much now because I don't do interviews but uh in the day like you know I'd be like oh well they needed to take they need to take responsibility for their own actions you know what I mean and I still feel I still feel that way um you know uh eventually when I do do have kids um I'm not giving them a fucking phone until they're 18 I mean that's just that's just me man but uh you know when you're an adult I feel like yeah you need to have some sort of responsibility at some point like fuck but uh obviously obviously I would be upset so see girls that what do you think people who send photos and stuff in nudes that you can't trust anybody that anybody should know now even though you're in a relationship and you're sending nudes listen relationships don't last now so you're basically fucking and it's understandable you've sent it to them for privacy and I get it but nowadays but I think like porn's the most googled thing on the internet or second that is 60-70% of the stuff is on it is abuse like a lot of yeah so it's it's fucked up but what do you say about people who send nudes and make sex videos do you think it's silly I mean dude it's human nature bro what are you fucking gonna do I mean yeah it's I mean I don't know it's I mean I can't say anything I just sent a picture of my dick to some chick I met at the gym yesterday so you know um I don't know man I it's just hard for me like the world has changed with only fans and many vids and all that stuff and selling your own content and like the morals have just got out the fucking window so I don't know dude I don't I don't know if I can even answer my question right now like I just yeah you can't after fucking sending that right yes don't think I just I mean for me it's different like what are you gonna do like you could google my dick right now if you wanted to like for me it's just for me it's different do you know what I mean like I've been canceled it what do you you know but for everybody else I mean dude you got to take your own situation in your own hands and have some sort of responsibility but if you're underage then that's a whole other fucking situation so would you ever start an only would you ever start an only fans um I think I'm banned I'm pretty much banned from everything dude seriously yeah I tried I tried to sign up for many vids and was banned about right and they told me to never contact them again and then this was like before Netflix and stuff and uh yeah I was gonna try only fans but I don't know dude I don't know I don't really give a fuck to be honest how is it how is it Netflix boosted your popularity again when you're trying to put it to bed you've served your time but this is just put it fucking back to top tier again I think it was top three Netflix most watched yeah it was crazy there for a minute um yeah I mean dude again like I don't want to I just if I wanted to come back I could do all this shit but again I'm old like what the fuck am I gonna do uh but uh as far as my popularity I feel the fire you know what I mean like I have my Instagram account which you know you contacted me through um but you know my interest have changed like I don't um I just didn't feel the fire you know what I mean so it wasn't if I wanted to I could have been out there just like like doing crazy shit and all that but no I just I just kind of sat back I gained a bunch of followers but I'm shadow banned on Instagram so you I don't even come up in the search um yeah so I didn't and I don't have Twitter I'm banned from Twitter uh so it's not like I tried to tried to do anything you know what I mean um but you know the reason I did this with you is um you know uh you know I don't give interviews and it just seemed like the it had blown over and if people are generally interested in the story and me um you know they could find like a good piece of content on a established channel about me and yeah that's pretty much it but yeah as far as like trying to boost my popularity I don't give a fuck I don't yeah I don't shit that like I say coming on today and I know a lot of generally I'm I wouldn't class myself as a journalist I'm just there to let the guest tell their story like without passing judgment like we all fuck up we all make mistakes what you done is some would really give a fuck in some would but it's understandable some girls are distraught some men are distraught but it's understandable a lot of people had fun in that website and you can take the good with the bad in anything in life it's fucking cold life like what we're gonna do do you know what I mean what the fuck we're gonna do that I don't know man yeah where does Hunter Mer go from here I don't know dude I I sold my I started a company when I got up probation two years ago and uh I've just been I've just been chilling just traveling and uh you know making up for that time that I lost you know what I mean and uh you're getting closer with my family and my friends um making new friends and just enjoying life and uh you know hopefully being uh you know finally moving past this which I know I never will but um you know just moving on with my life and doing something uh a little bit more positive and I don't know what that is yet but we'll figure it out yeah you seem to be a guy who can make the positives take turn the negatives into a positive and like you say coming on today and telling your story from your side and putting the record straight people can make assumptions people can judge this fucking called life but how do you then do you see yourself maybe getting back at it because it like well because no matter what we missed that life like we missed something just no matter how much therapy we get our drugs are how much pussy you get do you not think there's always something fucking missing yeah I guess so it's uh I don't know dude it's like I don't know I just look at I'm always going to miss the drugs and the pussy there always but the issue is I always I can still get drugs and pussy like I'm not it's I'm fucking in Columbia dude these girls asses are insane like I it doesn't it's so easy it's like fishing with fucking grenades so that void is built yeah that's it you know I'm financially stable and I think it's just more putting my family through that stuff so that's really that's really what it comes down to so like making a comeback or doing anything maybe it will be in one form or another but nothing like that I just yeah man I don't know I say people watch this and have not really heard you tell it from your side and it's I think it's only fair that people get to tell their story without things being twisted and edited and all the bullshit they do that you're clearly shown empathy is where and sorry for your actions back to do that that is a hard thing especially when you're young you're you're drugged up you think money's the fucking the best thing ever like you do anything for it but for any of the girls that are watching it's maybe being distraught of the feel let down like what what would you say to them I just don't know what to say because it's been so fucking long like how how sorry do you want me to be I just dude I went to prison so yeah I don't know fuck off I got just leave me alone like I'm sorry dude oh my god you're you're naked on the internet 12 years ago I just it's hard for me to have any empathy right now look at thank god nobody killed themselves thank fucking god nobody killed themselves but at this point bro I I I've done my time I paid my restitution everything else everyone else can fuck off you made a Netflix documentary you made your money we're done we're good okay let's go that's good but Hunter for coming on today and giving me a time to tell you a story I appreciate it but probably nobody would have ever expected Hunter more to give mental health advice but for anybody that's maybe struggling with mental health what advice would you give for them you know everybody's situation is different but if you're going through like you know if you find yourself in a crazy situation and you feel like there's nothing else that no one can help you none of that stuff there's always some sort of support group or building a support group around you some way somehow that could be you know your local church your family or friends whatever and having that strong support system is like everything in the world and once you start from there you can move your way up and that's the best advice I can really give you but you know life is just ups and downs and you're going to have to learn to deal with it and learning how to suffer is the one thing I can only tell you you got to get really good in learning how to suffer and once you do that you can fucking do anything so yeah that's all I got I appreciate that Hunter for anybody that's maybe wanting to get in contact follow your socials what do you have yeah just follow me on instagram Hunter More Real and I do a I'm like a big geopolitical history nerd so I have a TikTok you can find me on it's called news for the homies it's a pretty decently popular TikTok if you guys are into geopolitics and stuff like that and that's pretty much all I'm doing then and you can shoot me a message you can tell me you hate me or tell me you love me I don't know but yeah that's about it Hunter for a common only day in telling your story I wish you all the best for the future you've turned a new leaf and let us say God bless you stay strong and good luck with everything Thanks man talk to you later bro God bless mate bye