 What's up guys and welcome to one take tonight we're talking about Westworld season three episode five titled genre this video will of course be full of spoilers so if you haven't watched the episode yet do that and then check out this video I'm Gil talking to my tech guys yo and of course my good friend Jeremy hello and tonight we're going to do a slightly different format than what we've been doing the last few episodes this will be our instant take we'll give our immediate thoughts and reactions to the episode that we all just watched and later in the week we'll do a full recap scene by scene breakdown and analysis with that let's jump into tonight's episode first off Jeremy just high level what did you think of this episode there was there was certainly was some stuff that I enjoyed so I do not want to bury the lead but I will say this was probably was my least favorite episode of this season. So far for some stuff that we can we can hit on along the way I definitely still liked it, but like we had little bits of good bigger picture Westworld stuff, but there was some smaller stuff that made it seem. I don't know it was it was weird but there were including the genre thing I thought was a slightly weird reason but still overall enjoyable and certainly no shortage of things to to talk about. Right and I think I think I think I may have liked the episode more than you did based off what you just said, but I can definitely see where you're coming from. Tonally it was a really weird episode it was sort of all over the place, and of course there was the in story explanation, the genre drug that Caleb was on. But there were a few other things besides that specifically I think some of the flashbacks that happened in the episode around. What's his name Sirach that some of that was a little bit weak we'll get into that, but the genre stuff I actually liked I thought it was the jarring aspect of the episode actually thought worked pretty well. And it's going to the black and white or like a city sort of situation. And I think also for that part of it it sort of established that it kept cutting back and forth between a more objective view and then Caleb's view which was crazy altered. But I'm not sure I noticed that as much in the like genres after that other than the very over the top slow mo like when Dolores is you know machine gunning which was cool. There's a lot of cool visuals it did provide a lot of cool stuff in general I think that's a really interesting premise but it just felt like a weird one off like a what's the Jason Statham movie. Yeah like that kind of a thing you know it was like a very interesting premise for an action type movie but it just felt weird in the middle of it but it definitely gave us some good moments. We saw Marshawn Lynch again coming back which he was great as his shirt had more stuff on it that was cool I was all about that there was just a lot of, I don't know maybe slightly more corny than usual things which I get that can be written off under the umbrella of this like genre altering drug. But it was a little weird and I also think it's like another layer on top of like we're like are we in a simulation is everyone a host. Also there are drugs that also alter you like it was it was just a lot of things going on at the same time, which is. Most of the time what I like about the show maybe this time is a little bit too much but I don't know. Yeah no it was definitely jarring and to your point what they it's almost like they could have done even more with genre. The first thing that hit him it went black and white sort of noir. It sounded like 30s paranoia type music and then really the rest of the times that came on it was just sort of slow mo and a different piece of score different piece of music with the exception maybe of the love theme which was pretty hilarious. And when you had the techno thing going on you had more emphasis on the flashing lights. But putting this genre aspect of this episode aside there was a pretty crazy thing that happened this episode pretty shocking that this happened five episodes into the season rather than in the season finale. But Dolores showed everyone on the planet I presume at least anybody that has a smartphone a all of their files from insight so they see their past their present and their future projections. So first off crazy that this happened at this point in the season I love the fact that I could see this as the final scene in a movie with this premise you have a dystopian future where everyone's futures are charted for them. And the movie ends when the main character breaks into the system and shows everybody what's going on and credits. But here we still got three episodes to go so I love the fact that we're still going to get to see the aftermath of all this. So Jeremy I guess two questions one what was your reaction to seeing this huge reveal. And second how did you like the way it played out in this episode with the string quartet rendition of Bowie's space out of the. Yeah I the music was cool. I think it was a little more like on the nose identifiable than a lot of the other pop songs that they sometimes do in these like this was basically you get three notes in you're like oh man it's Bowie it was still it was still very cool provided some cool moments. I will say the idea that it got released that she let everyone in the entire world that kind of furthered me to think that maybe what we were looking at was something that was inside of a of a projection or a simulation simulation because it just seemed. Not that other extreme things haven't happened in the show but that was so extreme that it seems like this is going to be you know we're all leading up to what what Sirach is showing Bernard will happen if he doesn't do the right you know something something to that effect but it was a cool moment very obviously reminiscent of in season one when the reveries become unlocked for all the hosts and everyone can kind of see everything and hit this next level I did think it was it was almost a little comical but also seemed real how how quickly it played out like everyone gets these alerts on their cell phones and. Instantly there's a couple arguing about like no I need to see your phone and some other guys pissed that it says that he's a he's an a whole right our language thing is on here. There was a lot of cool moments that it provided like that but I totally agree with you that it definitely felt like that could have been a finale type world sweeping change which again maybe leads me to believe that it maybe didn't actually happen but I don't know the reveries thing actually happened so who knows. Yeah and I thought they did a pretty good job of not going to over the top like if she released all of that all the projections and immediately there were. Riots on the streets people tearing down buildings I would have thought that's a little bit too far here they very much focused on the individual reactions and some of them were pretty awful. I think there was one where a mother sees her daughter's future projection and it says suicide wrist injury and you see the mother grab her daughter's wrist. So they showed you some that were like you said comical and then in the jarring nature of this episode two seconds later you get a one second flash of the most awful thing you can imagine. And it's a good point you bring up I mean I I've kind of just felt like the twist that this is all taking place in a simulation or it's all taking place in God forbid a future world park or something like that. I've just taken it for granted that's not the case but they have talked they've introduced the element of a simulation and we hadn't seen that until this season I think or we saw elements of it last season so they've got the idea of a simulation. You've got this big globe that we know is playing out many projections of how reality can go so they've definitely introduced the elements that if they go that route that there is some sort of twist. You can't exactly say it's unfair but something about it just feels like that would be sort of over the top. Right and I mean I think they'll do something like I don't think it would be as straightforward as that in the same way that you know which which other hosts did she bring was a predictable like we were going to be swerved somehow in that but they ended up swerving us in a way that we didn't see coming. Like I assume there will be some you know next level way of them doing it it's not just going to be like oh this whole thing was a projection of we haven't actually progressed past the first day of season one of Westworld. Jimmy Simpson is still on the train or something you know I like I don't think it's it's going to be that cheap of a you know the whole show takes place inside a snow globe kind of thing. Right but you know it does seem I don't know there was there was a there was a it's too easy kind of feel to it. Right exactly and yeah it felt like when she gets a hold of Liam and he's trying to describe how difficult it will be to get in there and actually be able to access the system. The only way you can do it is if you get to a node and it felt like within 10 minutes they'd broken in it that got in there boom it's all released it felt a little bit too easy but with the way technology is wired into every aspect of that world in 2058. And the fact that this is three months after Dolores got out of the park. And my feeling is that this is she's been planning this stuff for a while so where it seems fast for us it might also just be the fact that she has so meticulously planned everything that's happened that we're just in the execution phase now. Yeah that did that doesn't remind me there's that sorry to interrupt that there those that line when you're talking about the nodes thing when Liam basically sets it up perfectly when he's like but in order to do that you'd have to be in two places at once which was a little corny but it did make me smile at the same time so I can't say for sure if I if I hated as much as my gut wanted me to but it was a I wrote it down I'll leave it at that. Yeah when Jeremy writes it down you know the show did something something. Yeah so speaking of Dolores's plan though I'm assuming this is not the culmination of her plan right there's more to it. We know that Bernard it seems pretty clear at this point Bernard still has some role to play and there's no mistake that Dolores brought him back. I know that Bernard has suspected in the past that the reason Dolores brought him back he thought to himself maybe she's afraid he'll go too far. My feeling at this point is that it's I can't imagine she'd bring him back for that reason I think he is going to play a specific role in whatever her grander plan is and Connells makes a comment about that later in the episode. Now so there's more to her plan what else do you think she's after because if her goal is truly just to free humanity and not destroy humanity like it seemed to be last season. She would sort of have already accomplished that by now right. She hasn't destroyed Sirach she hasn't taken down insight but by putting all that information into the world you can't really put the genie back in the bottle. There's no way Sirach can tell people hey forget about your projections forget about all of that you know just go on with your lives and we'll just go back to being the puppet masters. So what do you think her plan is what are your theories on what she's actually after what's the next phase for grand plan. Yeah that's I mean that's that seems like the million dollar question at this point. I don't really know which kind of still makes me think maybe we were seeing a simulation in some aspects because maybe it's like that couldn't have actually happened yet because what else could she want because I can't see her. I don't know even though she is very vengeful obviously I can't see her having like a more petty goal which could be the only other thing I would think of like something super personal against you know I don't know if there is a way to get forward back involved again or wherever he I assume he will somehow end up playing some role and maybe it's some shot at him but I don't know it's it's good question. Yeah my my suspicion for the last few episodes has been that whatever Dolores says it's manipulation she's manipulating manipulating Caleb into helping her. And at the end of her day at the end of the day in season two her stated goal pretty unambiguously was destroy humanity. And then I caught one line in this episode where Dempsey senior in the Iraq flashbacks Dempsey senior tells Iraq he's going to tell the world what Rehoboam is and what they're doing. Iraq says that every projection they've done they've done millions of projections where Dempsey does that and they all lead to mankind's extinction. So it seemed to me that in this very episode they told us that revealing Rehoboam leads to mankind's extinction. So if Dolores's plan is human genocide it would make sense that this would be one step in that plan. So I'm at least putting my money on that Xavier Lee in the chat says it couldn't be that simple and easy. And to be fair nothing in this show ever is. So there may be more to it than that but whatever it is I think it's going to be in that ballpark. That makes a lot of sense to me. I mean that that's a good point good observations on those on those scenes. What did you think of those scenes by the way like like the Dempsey character seemed to have slightly one dimensional but I don't know. And also I couldn't I found myself questioning the whole time like who is Sirach talking to when he's telling this story. And I think this might be the first one that I feel like I really need to rewatch to write a couple more things down as I'm watching specifically what stuff did we get right after those accessing file slates that we were shown. Like was he talking to Dolores in the conversation that we saw at the end of this episode. I don't like I want to look back at that again because at first it sounded like he was maybe talking to the computer but then maybe he was talking to the brother but he wasn't and I don't know there's a lot there's a lot going on to go back and and rewatch. Yeah I think it was in terms of who he was talking to I think it was a mix throughout the episode it's he spoke as though he were talking to Rehoboam. He said this is why I created you it seemed like that's who he was talking to. And it made me wonder if the computer has some kind of an AI aspect to it where you could talk to it or if it was more metaphorical he was almost speaking to the computer but really he was speaking his thoughts allowed. And overall what did I think of the Sirach backstory and all those flashbacks honestly in principle I didn't hate any of it you know on paper but I kind of hated the execution of it. So getting into that I guess a couple things to pick out from Sirach's backstory one we learn a little bit about how Rehoboam actually goes about controlling the world. I think in the cold open we see how Sirach will interact with world leaders directly he'll help them get elected and then therefore be able to influence them. And then of course we also learn that they alter individual people like he tried to do with his own brother. Going into Sirach's backstory himself right we already knew Paris got destroyed that was his home which causes all this doubt in humanity him and his brother decide they essentially need to become gods and chart humanities course. Now his brother learning that he needs to edit his brother the revelation that his brother is one of those people that disturbs humanity's plan should be a pretty emotionally devastating development. But his character was basically Sirach's brother was essentially a non entity we barely see him talk he whispers at one point hey that a Dempsey guy we should kill that guy. But other than that you know they always say in screenwriting you want to show not tell Sirach's backstory felt like 90% telling instead of showing that was sort of my main complaint with it. The Dempsey senior character Sirach's brother they felt like such non entities that were just there to be on screen while Sirach was explaining everything to us. Yeah I definitely agree with that and I kept like flip flopping this episode to it's like are we supposed to feel you know sympathy towards him which at first it seems like maybe you are because of this story with the brother and he learns from the brother but then it flips pretty quickly because it you know he's obviously very manipulative especially that scene you talked about with the whatever world leader he is meeting with there. The other thing from that scene whereas last week it was maybe two weeks ago I can't remember was slightly ambiguous when he put the glasses on the hostage guy that he that he ends up killing before he gets the information from where he was saying I'm just showing him the future if he does or doesn't cooperate. There was kind of this element of like oh is he telling the truth probably not but you don't know and this time it seemed like it was pretty clear he wasn't just saying. Oh I can help you predict the future but I'm going to be able to directly affect it including you know ruining your life and stealing your wife and kids in the middle of the night and all that stuff. So he immediately flips from do we have any questions of you know is this guy doing the right thing or not to like oh no we're definitely not supposed to like this guy bad guy all about power. Right well it's definitely similar to what you and I hit on the last time we spoke he's a Thanos like villain right where in principle he's trying to save humanity or he's trying to save all life in the universe. But he's going about it in a totally horrifying way and at times we see these very cold moments like the one you mentioned where he shoots the guy in the head after showing him an image of his family being destroyed. So if you're feeling doubts about should I like this guy feel bad for him or should I hate him I think that's exactly what Westworld wants you to feel. The other thing that I thought was kind of corny with him was the there's like it happens I think twice in this episode where like Dolores does something and he has this very like 80s or 90s action movie reaction of like hitting his table when it doesn't go the way that he wanted it to. They're like sir she got all of them you know he does is that kind of thing which I thought was a little I don't know it just seemed hokey or then what I want out of like this this Westworld bad guy is supposed to be making me question is even that bad or not. Maybe it leaned a little too much on the corny side for me there. But again this is like a weird gut reaction I'm sure I'm going to think about the episode for another hour and then decide I it's the best one actually not the worst one. Yeah you'll frantically call me kill me. We got to get back on the live stream. I was wrong. I loved all the Iraq stuff. Yeah I I like the information we got out of the Iraq backstory didn't love that section of the episode but actually quite liked just about everything else with Caleb and the rest of what we saw this episode. I think one more tidbit I want to pull out of the Iraq backstory is. And I think this was already revealed in some of the supplementary marketing material. But you and I talked about Rehoboam where that name comes from. It's a biblical name at Rehoboam is the son of Solomon. And in this episode in the flashbacks. They talk about what is this version called and they say first was solved and David this version is Solomon. So we do learn that there was a version of the device before Rehoboam titled Solomon. So the biblical references were not limited just to this version. So going back to Dolores and Caleb one question that's loomed for me throughout these episodes is will someone betray Dolores. And I think there were a couple of hints at that this episode one we see actually two or three hints we see at the end of the episode before they get on the plane Caleb is hesitant. He says to Dolores maybe people shouldn't have seen what we showed them. Also earlier in the episode Liam says to Caleb she was using me how do you think she's using you. And even further we see Bernard ask Connells if he's had any doubts about Dolores's plan and whether or not he really wants to go along with all of it. Plus we've seen Charlotte we've seen all of her struggles. So do you think that one of Dolores's Dolores hosts are going to betray her. Do we think Caleb is going to betray her. What do you think about all that. Yeah I mean they definitely planted the seeds for it in all the cases you mentioned there. Especially the Caleb moment with Liam in the tunnel where he seems to like right as soon as that happens to is also when he tells him that like you think I've hurt you thing or whatever before he gives him the drug. Which leads to all the weird stuff later. But yeah I think that's definitely a factor. I'm wondering like do we know what of Dolores weakness could be and is that one of them like thinking that she is able to sway people or even herself more than he was. Because Bernard I think says the most you know Westworld-y and important type thing about that when he says that like you know it's not easy to be. Eyes bleed into others. I'm sure you've experienced it. Like that whole kind of great Bernard impression by the way. Thank you very much. My other favorite Bernard line was when he just as a quick aside is when he says I think I'm a part of it. That was my other favorite Bernard moment. Classic confused Bernard. But yeah I think they I think they they planted all the seeds for one or more all of the hosts to try to betray original not original but whatever Dolores version of Dolores which we still don't even really know if Dolores Dolores is that one or is Charlotte Dolores Dolores Dolores you know right. I don't know. Yeah I kind of I like what they're setting up where one of the or several of the Dolores. Host might turn on her and by the way I love how dejected you sound just trying to figure out the show you're like. I don't know. It's just too much to think about. It's positive dejection though it's good. Yeah it's exactly what we want from this show. I love what they're setting up with the Dolores host to potentially betray original Dolores. The one thing I'm not sure how how I feel about yet is it seems like the doubts that the Dolores hosts are having. That doesn't come from them just being an independent person coming up with their own thoughts and having doubts. It seems like it's coming more from the body. Right Bernard says that when you share your host mind with a human and start to live their lives their lives sort of start to creep in. We saw that with Charlotte as well where Dolores in Charlotte's body almost feels the Charlotte mind taking over. I'm not sure how I feel about that yet. I want to see how it plays out but I find it much more interesting if it's literally a clone of Dolores's consciousness and for some reason they just decide to go a different way. And then there's the whole question of consciousness nature versus nurture what caused them to go one way versus the other. So that's actually what Xavier Lee in the chat is getting to that's just so wild. Imagine the concept of going against your own will and support gaming 2020. So Dolores betrays herself LOL but exactly I think that'd be a pretty interesting concept to explore. So we'll see where they go with all that. And I mean there's so many different layers of people like betraying themselves within the show. You know whether you're talking about William killing his daughter because he didn't realize what was going on. Like there's so many different ways that people have already betrayed themselves. Someone betraying themselves isn't a foreign concept necessarily but obviously gets really weird when you're talking about you know it's a different version of the same person. It's sort of like an external version of running multiple simulations. You know oh well this Dolores went this way but this Dolores went the other way. Which I agree with you I think that is more interesting if it's just two of the same Dolores is going to two different paths rather than oh no this Dolores was manipulated because she was half thinking she was Charlotte missing her kid or whatever. Right right. Yeah so we'll see where they go with that. I mean part of the Charlotte injecting into Dolores's mind question could be interesting. If they explore well what particular aspects of Charlotte caused Dolores to go the way she did. Was it the love of her child? Was it a certain memory? Was it something else? So either way it could be interesting but gut reaction it seems less interesting to me that way but we'll see. Let's talk about Caleb. So ever since Caleb's mother I think in episode one actually said to him you're not my son or something along those lines. I chalked it up to his mother is senile she's losing her mind. People on the internet were saying hold on that might be a hint that this Caleb is a host. And I thought insane crazy no way but this episode we do get some pretty overt hints that there's at least something going on with Caleb. So when Liam gets shot and Caleb goes to help him Liam seems afraid of Caleb and Caleb keeps having to reassure him. I'm trying to help you I'm trying to help you. Then we get some odd flashbacks where Caleb has a mask over his eyes where he has a hood over someone's head almost like he's kidnapping or interrogating that person and Caleb starts to ask Dolores who does he think I am and then Liam who do you think I am. And Liam says as he dies you did it you did it. So any thoughts on what here is happening with Caleb. My first reaction is I think I maybe also have to start watching the show with closed captioning on because I definitely did not tell that he could not tell that he said you did it at the end there. I also did specifically write down the quote who does he think I am because it's such an absurd like weird thing that only happens in Westworld where it's a twist that we're it's not a twist. Who is he it's not a twist what time is it or are we in a simulation or is he a host or not. It's who does he think that I am that may be the first time that maybe the first time in television history that sentence has been uttered. Who does he think I am with that with that like kind of intense intensity. I don't know it's it's I mean he obviously has some kind of a past that he doesn't remember which has something to do with maybe being shot and then implanted with whatever kind of thing where he is talking to a imitation of his former, you know, comrade or associate whatever kid Cudi was. I don't like it's it's it's right on the line like this show is luckily good at having so many different things going on because normally like I find that specific trope a little annoying where it's just like I can't remember my pet and I know it sounds insane because it is a character in the show and how could I be saying that, but that specific way. I don't know but I mean yeah there's there's going to be obviously some kind of massive dramatic character reveal related to Caleb and I think it's going to go back to the thing that we were talking about last weekend in all the previous that Dolores being involved with him is certainly not an accident aside from the fact that he is seems to be one of these like outliers that that you know Sirach and co have have detected but probably something that she knew to there's some extra thing that he has related to this past that he you know somewhat annoyingly conveniently doesn't remember. Right right and I think the why doesn't he remember it why does his mother look at him and say you're not my son. I don't think it's that he's a host but they did in this episode show us that insight will take individual humans that are somehow a an issue for humanities path forward and will quote unquote edit them. So I'm assuming that Caleb or is or my guess is that he is one of these people that has been edited and changed by insight and maybe part of that change is locking certain memories away from him changing certain aspects of his personality. So if that's the case the question is who was he before and what is his importance to all this I'm assuming it's no mistake that Dolores drafted him to this cause. So and Liam knew who he was and I don't know it didn't seem to me like Liam just looked up who Caleb was and learned his backstory quickly it seemed like Caleb was somehow important to Rio bone important to insight. And I'm assuming it's going to be tied into whatever role Dolores plans for him in in all of this. It's just seemed like that's another one of those things though like if it was something crazy you know I'm I'm spitballing but within this show that that always seems semi realistic. Caleb is some reincarnation of Sirach's brother or something like that you know that they that they worked on in one of those little lab things which look you know suspiciously similar to the stuff that we see inside Westworld where the scientists you know adjust the hosts because you're supposed to be you know again with this whole like how much is the real world like the Westworld thing where you take the outliers back into the lab and readjust them and conform them to what you need to fit the narrative that you're trying to write. I just don't like don't you think that that he would have just said it like why wouldn't Liam have just said what it was that he because I agree with you he probably read like a little quick byline and went like oh shit this is that guy right I know who that guy is I didn't realize it was him. That seemed like what the reaction was but I like why wouldn't he have just said it there you know. Yeah yeah and I hate to go to this but I feel like the answer to that is they're not ready to reveal that mystery to us yet. So you know in the plot context you could argue that he was just shot the last thing on his mind he might not be all that interested in helping Caleb out it seems like his first reaction was terror he was afraid of him so he might not have been in the right mindset to explain who Caleb actually is or earlier I mean I don't know earlier in the episode I guess there were opportunities it might not have been clear to him how much Cal actually knew or remembered but we'll have to revisit it once we get the bombshell revelation and judging by how fast this season is moving with the revelation of mysteries it could be next episode that all of this is answered and then we can look back at it and see how we feel about it. He strikes me as a season long mystery because it's a new character like I feel like that's the it's a it's a meta season long version of what's the Star Trek thing with the where they introduce a new guy and you know that he's going to be the you know the the red shirts. Yes yes yes exactly he's like a season long version version of that where his they can do the most with him because he's a brand new character so I feel like that's going to be a second to last episode although I guess at this point we're basically are near the end so it could be at any moment only three episodes left and support gaming 2020 has a theory in the chat he says plot twist Caleb is William it's another 30 year timeline. Alternate timeline maybe I don't know what do you think of this theory Caleb is William. So Caleb is William in future world like William leaves Westworld goes to future world does a facial redesign in the same way that we saw Caleb try on all those different suits in that other episode I mean look like it definitely I don't think it's but nothing seems impossible in this show especially and they seem to set up the grounds for new impossible things every week like with with Sirach in this episode doing a lot of the like he's being projected in places even to people that aren't wearing the glasses which seems like it was a new thing this episode like he's doing a very. Mysterio from the most recent Spider-Man film where he can be anywhere and it looks very real except for the very last scene where Dolores walks through and that was the only one where he seemed to be very like look transparent and pivot in weird ways before but at that point I knew he you know wasn't actually there so I don't know I guess could could be yeah it's been unclear to me the exact rules with the holograms and the glasses because my assumption based off of what we saw in episode one and since then is that to see these holograms you've got to be wearing the glasses and it has a sort of augmented reality feature now I actually I don't remember every time we've seen Sirach as a hologram interacting with somebody has it always been with a host and therefore they themselves are a computer and he could create a projection or have we seen him in hologram form interacting with an actual human that's a good point because definitely in this episode the scene I was thinking of was a host looking at him I'll have to think about it because we do see Sirach in the airplane interacting with the hologram when the when Connell's blows himself up we see Sirach look at that hologram blow into pieces so that theory might be shot that's one of the times that he bangs the table I think that's right that's right the coast caption said groans and then I heard this like sounds lifestyle engineering in the chat says I felt like they wanted to put an action scene into the season and they did it in this episode but I feel like that took away from the depth and did not contribute anything to character development or general epicness I actually didn't mind the action in this episode I think mainly because they had the genre filter over it so when right of the Valkyrie kicked in I laughed I don't think it added a whole lot to the episode except for maybe just furthering the feeling of Caleb as a passenger just sort of going along with this whole plan but I didn't mind it too much in this episode it did lend itself to that really cool overhead shot like an aerial view of when they're all the three of them are sitting in the car before she hands him the gun that was a really cool shot yeah yeah agreed and a couple other things in the chat I see somebody was asking I can't find it now but Xavier Lee or somebody was a little bit confused about the whole situation with Charlotte having Dolores's mind in her body how is it that the Charlotte personality is taking over it's not like there's a Charlotte soul in there it's not like Charlotte is a host where you can take her personality and stick it in there so how is it that the Charlotte personality is taking over I don't think we have a complete answer to that but we know that the Bernard we see this season has a version of Arnold in his mind and the way that was pulled off is Dolores tells Bernard I remember Arnold I used my memories of him to recreate an Arnold mind essentially and stick it in your body so I think although there's no way to just extract a human soul there are ways to observe a human and do your best to recreate their personality and I think that's what they did with Charlotte they stuck the Charlotte personality in there and it helps the Dolores mind play the role she can pull on those she can pull in the Charlotte personality when she has to and play the role I think that's what they're getting at alright any other thoughts Jeremy I think actually I've got a few other random thoughts I wanted to mention number one when they get to the pier they get to the beach the and Caleb's genre kicks in with a song from The Shining I just love that pop culture reference just having that play there I love Stubbs even though he's really just it feels like he's just there for comedic relief but his what the F just happened in there and what the F is going on out here also poor Liam as much as he is the son of Dempsey senior didn't seem like the best person he sort of feels like a victim of just he was born into this he kind of just got bounced around between a bunch of nonsense didn't really have a whole lot of say in everything that happened you know he was sort of a bystander didn't go out of his way to stop anything but I felt a little bit bad for him also Matt Palomba in the chat says Sirach was pretty strong for a human know and Jeremy did you have the same reaction I did when he grabbed Dempsey senior's head and slammed it onto the the piece of airplane that felt a little bit like too easy no I didn't I mean I'm definitely do not get me wrong here I'm definitely on board with Sirach is not you know who we think he is but that that didn't strike me as like a superhuman moment to jump back to Stubbs really quick where did he come from in that moment when he like walks out of the hall just in the nick of time to punch the guy in the face Dolores in the face like where that was the biggest like wait what was he just in a closet waiting for that to happen he pops out of the door can and it completely flips the odds they get him handcuffed or whatever yeah as soon as we saw Bernard this episode I kept trying to remember where we last left Stubbs I know that when he fought Dolores he got thrown over the balcony and I couldn't remember if he showed up again later in the episode so when he just arrives just in the nick of time I just imagine there's this whole side plot we missed of Bernard or Sirach just trying to catch up with Bernard it's kind of like when you have a Roomba that's trying to get back to its docking station it just keeps bumping into stuff finding its way there or to bounce to our other topic it's like in episode two of The Mandalorian when Baby Yoda is in the tiny little thing and he just keeps chasing him in spite of he jumps on top of the Jawa crawler and you're worried that he's left him behind but he just plugs along he's right there wow that is such a great call Stubbs is the Baby Yoda of Westworld this season perfect perfect also I thought about William and just what role is he going to play in all this and I don't have a lot to say there besides I as soon as I saw people locked up in those little containers where they were being edited right you compared that to where they would take the hosts to edit them before putting them back into Westworld the other thing I thought of in that moment was where we last left William he was in a mental institution of some sort and I wondered if he will go he will undergo some sort of editing as well will insight target him and I don't know if it's just a surface level similarity where he's locked up and those people are locked up or there is something to that yeah it's an interesting question I think he's different because I think based on what you know Dolores did Charlotte Dolores did to him I think he's she just wanted him fully off the map so I'm sure that she looked into a way to make that happen but I don't know I mean he'll I certainly did not think that we have seen the last of him or or felt the last of his reverberations through the through the universe anyway yeah no absolutely it's kind of funny to think only three episodes left and we've barely seen the William character it's pretty interesting any other thoughts on tonight's episode um they just do a quick once over on the notes here I don't think so though I think I think we hit all the high notes yeah I think we hit all the oh you know what I wrote down when they when they first get in the little self drive Uber thing that she calls over that in that little chase scene I think before she gives him the guns and it gets really crazy they like make a hard write down one of the streets I did notice a street sign that said hope on that that was the street that they turned down which at first I thought was like a cool little subtle thing but then they have a dialogue later near the end of the episode where they specifically use the word hope like three or four times so maybe it wasn't as cool and subtle as I as I thought it was but it's funny because that that might have seeped into my subconscious because one of the things I've been thinking about and a few folks mentioned it in the chat here is if you're watching devs right now on Hulu it's pretty astounding how similar these shows are on the surface they're not that similar they're very different genres I mean they're both sci-fi but they feel very different but they're exploring so many of the same themes except that one of the other themes except that Westworld has ever so slightly a little bit more hope than devs on Westworld I have some question over whether or not we're going to win it feels like there's a shot humanity might come out of this in a better spot than there now but that could just be that street sign in those mentions of the word seeping into my subconscious anyway I gotta watch devs I guess yeah you gotta check out devs it's I think you'd like if you enjoy theorizing and you like delving into these themes I definitely recommend it anyway so I think with that we're just about ready to wrap up so quick reminder that this was our instant take this was just our quick reactions to the episode but in the next two or three days we will do a full recap and analysis will go scene by scene so if you're enjoying that video make sure enjoying this video you will enjoy that video make sure to hit the like button hit the subscribe button and of course hit the bell icon so you get notified the next time we do a video or the next time we go live so you can be a part of the conversation so with that thanks for watching and we'll see you on the next one take