 We have 14 present. Alderman Jim Bourne is excused. Alderman Kevin Maddachek is unexcused. Would you join me in the Pledge of Allegiance? Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Welcome on this snowy snowy night to the committee of the whole meeting. I would ask for a motion to approve the minutes of our last meeting. It has been moved and seconded. Is there any discussion? Mary Nunn, all in favor, state aye. Any opposed? Chair votes, aye. Do we have anyone listed for the public forum? No. Very good. We're going to go on then to item 2.1, a review and discussion on the conceptual redevelopment plan for the former Boston store property. Mr. Palaszczuk is ready with his PowerPoint and his plugs. Okay, just a second here. So what I wanted to talk about tonight is the conceptual plan for the Boston store property and we've worked in this for the last few months in-house. As you know, we're moving forward with demolition in the coming weeks and we wanted to lay out a conceptual plan for that development phase moving forward. So what I wanted to do today is go through a PowerPoint presentation over the thoughts behind it. You've maybe read some about this in the news. There's a little bit more information here and then take any questions that you may have at the end. So as we all know the site was identified in the Harbor Center master plan that was adopted in April of this year as a prime site for implementing the three key strategies that came out of that plan. In this drawing, you can kind of see its coordination to the Art Center, the Meade Library, the Well Center, above and beyond Children's Museum and the Fulton Park. In the plan, this is somewhat of a review, but in the plan it laid out three key strategies. The first strategy was leverage Sheboygan's arts culture and food heritage. The second one was encourage market supported housing and urban development and the third is to enhance connections and cross marketing within the Harbor Center district. So starting with the leveraging of the Sheboygan arts culture and food heritage, this site is a pivotal point essential to the formation of that district and that concept. The space will allow for cultural events in the heart of the downtown. You may have seen in the news this such as the weekly concert series where we partnered up with the Art Center to go after a grant to bring concert series to this property in the summer. Provided demolition gets done in a timely time fashion. This would move forward on the property and then it could be used for other venues. The site would provide a physical link between our downtown assets as you saw in the previous slide. The mic, some of those of you may not be aware, but that spaceship looking thing on the corner of the Art Center property is actually called a musically integrated kiosk environment and it's a recording studio that opens up to become a stage. So the intent is in discussions with the Art Center is to move that stage over to green space on the Boston Star property, work through an agreement with them to be able to allow it to be used for more community events and really encourage the use of that area as kind of an arts venue, music and those types of things that would happen. You can see on the picture on the bottom of this, this is what that stage looks like when it's opened. The Art Center has a stage that goes out in the front that allows for larger venues to happen on it and when it's closed up, it can be used as a recording studio. We've heard a lot of questions about what will happen with Fountain Park under this plan. Fountain Park will continue to function as it is. Today it will continue to have the events and concerts and festivals that occur there, such as the Shabuigan Pops Band, they'll continue to play there, the municipal, Keele Municipal Band, some of the larger venues that wouldn't be able to necessarily occupy this space and use this stage would still continue there. Earth Fest, Lobster Boil, all of those types of things. But under this plan, the arts culture and food district group, if you will, the committee that's been meeting for a number of months and it's really been initiated out of the business improvement district, is to look at other festivals within the city and see if there's some smaller venues that could relocate to Fountain Park to try to bring a weekly around-the-clock ambience to this downtown and bring more venues for entertainment because as we're trying to build more housing downtown, people are going to want more things to do. Under number two, key strategy number two, encouraging market-supported development. The thought on this property, it's not what has been in the newspaper that this property is going to be a mix of green space and new development to bring tax space that was lost as part of the Boston store back. There's the idea of some type of mix concept development and under the plan, it leaves the opportunity for two mixed-use buildings to be built. One of them is roughly 30, one footprint would be 32,000 square feet. The other footprint would be 19,000 square feet and it would allow it to go three to five stories above. So there's a base on the height of the buildings downtown. It would be kind of creating this town center plaza, if you will, with development around the outside and green space in the inside. Under number three, leveraging the connections and the cross-marketing. You can see from this map that opening up New York Avenue, which is planned to happen next year and reconstructing a parking lot for those of you that have been involved at the Transit Commission, discussions have heard this. We're in the final stages of getting that ready to be bid out and that would connect New York Avenue between 8th and 7th Street and then also to create this connection piece, if you will, between the middle of the department store and really kind of encouraging this pedestrian link between the library and the art center. So this is the proposed plan. I want to just say that under the proposed plan this is what we're going to use for marketing to interested developers. Really what it is is the green area in the middle would be used for this public space and you can see the two footprints for the buildings on the north and the south side with the square footage listed there. MIKE is at mic stage that would hopefully be relocated to this property and then on A Street we'll be opening back up as part of the New York Avenue reconstruction is to expand A Street back out to the right-of-way where it had bumped in for the Boston Store property and bring in some additional angled parking along the street and then some type of mid-block pedestrian crossing there to connect to the front of the library at that fountain and then the area to the south you can see would be the New York Avenue extension and the public parking lot on the south side of that is owned by the Redevelopment Authority. That's part of the redesign project. That is to move it to reserved parking because there's enough of a need downtown for monthly reserved parking and that lot has to be reconstructed as part of this whole plan especially with the Boston Store because that was all one piece of property from the cell side of Boston, one parking lot from the cell side of Boston store down to Center Avenue. So this is where this is what we're using as a marketing plan now. We've developed and I'll hand this out at the end. We've developed a two-page plan of what I basically just spoke to you about and we've gotten this out to at least a handful if not more of interested parties to date. A couple of them are working on some site plans and I would think going forward here after the new year we should be seeing some conceptual plans from prospective developers on those development pieces that are outlined here. But what we thought we wanted to do is we wanted to lay out a concept beforehand, get the buy in basically from the council and from the city staff that this is the direction we want to go because the first question had a developer normally says to us when they come to us is what is the city's vision for this property? And if we didn't have something laid out we felt that we would be behind. So we've done worked with us. We've worked with the bid. We've worked with the downtown people to lay out this kind of Conceptual drawing. I will say that with a caveat. This is conceptual in its state. The final development plan with the development will ultimately show us what this is going to look like. But the intent of this green space and this kind of corridor, the idea is that the parking utility would maintain this property. We would work through a number of venues and build really a calendar as green space for this to have, the goal would be to have fairly often throughout the night, throughout the week during the summer have venues on there. For those of you that go to the mid-summer festival of the arts at the John Michael Kohler Art Center, they typically have closed down 6th Street and New York Avenue for that venue. It looks like this year they're going to try to shift it over and start using this kind of like plaza for that venue. So I think this is just some of the stuff that's in the works. We're also working on a public art grant that will be submitting with a number of partners in the downtown to try to go after some couple-year funding streams to be able to kind of implement some of these ideas that have been brought forward in the plan on the public art side of things. So this is in a nutshell where we're at. I'm happy to answer any questions. I just wrote a letter to the editor if you hadn't seen it. I would encourage you to do so, the talking about where we've been and why the interest has been on taking, getting this property and local control and trying to move this plan forward. Any questions for Chad Alderman Mellinger? Thank you, Madam Chair. Chad, on A Street the drawing shows that it's still bumped out the sidewalk. Is that going to be that or is it going to be put back to the original? No, there will be a bump out there. There will be a mid-center, mid-block crosswalk. And the purpose of that is what? Is to encourage people to flow from this property into that fountain in that concrete plaza in the front of the Mead Public Library. They won't be as large as what's shown on this drawing. Dave Bebel has a, they have a standard that they use for bump outs and it's kind of blown up on this, but it'll be whatever is required under their standard, but the intent is to have a mid-block crosswalk there. And my second question would be if the developer came and wanted to use up more of the green space than what you've got shown there. I mean, is there a minimum amount of green space that you want to retain or are you flexible with some developer that would come and want? I think we're flexible. That's why I said that this is really a concept plan at this stage and whatever they ultimately need to make their development happen, we would work with them on that. But we, at any stage, want to have some type of green space in the middle. Other questions? Just to note we, the meeting is being recorded, so if you'd use your microphone when you're speaking, that would be helpful. Anything else for Chad? Very good. Okay, thank you. We'll move on to item 3.1, a report of the committee from Salary and Grievances regarding recommending Section 2-341 of the municipal code that James Amodio is here by appointed Chief Administrative Officer for the City of Sheboygan until August 23rd, 2016, which may require a memo of understanding that will include all the necessary timeframes. We had both the report of the committee and the ordinance come before us, so I believe that we can bring a motion to file this matter. It was my understanding. Motion to file. Alderman Van Akron. Madam Chairperson, I think the ordinance was the only thing on the last, in the council meeting, it was the ordinance specifically, so I think we're going to have to pass this along with... All right. The only difference between the ordinance that we passed in the council meeting and this document which came out of Salary and Grievances was a desire to build in some timelines in the event that Mr. Amodio would decide to leave prior to 2016. As it stands now, we have an ordinance that just sets out the term of the contract. So we are looking at a separate document that would be just a memo, a memorandum of understanding. The committee had looked at some months notice or some weeks notice if Mr. Amodio was going to leave just to facilitate our looking for an additional Chief Administrative Officer. Does that make sense? Yes. And also just for clarification, that document would come back to Salaries and Grievances for review prior to being accepted. Correct. So it would be just something that we would work on as a separate agreement. All right. With that in mind, Alderman Ben Akron. Thank you, Madam Chairperson. I guess then I'll make a motion that the RC be accepted and adopted and that the memo of understanding being drawn up and be brought back. Oh, that's right. We saw the motion. So you had a motion to file, correct? I had a motion. All right. Are you agreeable to revising or rescinding your motion? Yes. And the second? Very good. So now we have another motion on the floor and a second to adopt the to adopt the report of committee. Is there any discussion? All right. Hearing none. Dad, what did you do? So committee of the whole is going technological. So we're going to be hopefully doing electronic voting tonight. The motion is to adopt item 3.1. I'm sorry. Alderman Ballinger. Madam Chair, when I clicked on to join or when I opened up this document on board docs, it never asked me to join the meeting. Try it again. Go back and do it again. Go back and do it again. Okay. Yeah. I was slightly ahead of my time. So what do we say they have to do? We'll log in to your board. Just do a voice vote. All right. We're going to do a voice vote on this matter on the motion before us. All in favor, state aye. Aye. Any opposed? Chair votes aye. I'm sorry. Nay. Nay. Chair votes aye. 13 ayes, 1 dissent. We will move on to item 3.2 from the city clerk submitting a communication from older person born suggesting the attached revision of the chief administrative officer's job description to be considered by the salary and grievances committee. And that's Alderman Carlson. Thank you, Madam Chair. I would move to send this back to salaries and grievances. There is a motion and a second to send this back to salary and grievance. Is there a discussion on the motion? Alderman Herman. I am of the belief that we should keep the status. We'll keep 16 older people because if we have. We're just, Mark, we're on 3.1. Yeah, we're on 3.2. 3.2. I'm sorry, 3.2. All right. Is there any other discussion on the motion? So this is a motion to refer the job description back to salary and grievance. If there's no further discussion. All right. All in favor, state aye. Aye. Any opposed? Chair votes aye. Motion passes. Now we need a vote. They're just hazing me because like I'm kind of new at this job. So what can we do? The gremlins and the gremlins. All right. We will move on to item number 3.3. This is a charter ordinance proposed by Alderpersons, Born and Cough, subject to the home rule provisions of section 66.0101 of the Wisconsin statute to reduce the number of Alderpersons in the city from 16 to 8. Alderman Carlson. Thank you, Madam Chair. I would move that we send this to strategic fiscal planning. There's a motion to refer this to strategic fiscal planning. Is there a second? Second. There is a second. So discussion on the motion. Well, actually Alderman Cough. Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm curious as to why we would send it back there and not have the discussion tonight. Alderman Carlson. I think the venue for this discussion, this is a pretty big change. And then there's things that we, I don't think as a full body, we can discuss in the beginning. We need to talk about committee structure. We need just to talk about the overall structure of how the council is going to look. And I think that would start better at a smaller level. And therefore strategic fiscal planning, it's the heads of all the, it's all the chairpersons of the standing committee. So I think that's the best venue to start this discussion. And then bring it back when there's actually a solid plan to do this. Thank you. Other comments? Did you hit again? Yes. Go ahead. And then when would the strategic fiscal planning meet? I would have to defer to the chairperson. We could schedule a meeting as soon as we can get the heads of the standing committees. We have some other issues that we have to deal with in strategic fiscal. So we were planning on sometime in the month of December having that meeting. Other discussion? Alderman Herman. I remember the belief that we should keep the status quo, keep the 16, because there's always a backup or reinforcement, let's say a constituent has an urgent matter and their first choice is not available for whatever reason. Let's say all the person A has an extended illness or they have to take a spatical for another reason. There's always a backup or reinforcement. There's another person they can get a hold of if their first choice is not available if you don't have two per district and that alternative is not available. I think there's strength in numbers in this particular case. Very good. Any other comments? Alderman Van Akker. Thank you, Madam Chairperson. I guess I'd like to see it discussed tonight. I think it's good to have everybody involved, have everybody had the same information. I do think that there's a pretty fairly detailed plan that has been laid out. Agree with it or disagree with it, but I think this is the place to discuss this type of a change. We've discussed this type of a change in the past at this venue. And again, I think it's good that everybody be on the same page and get the same information and be operating off of that. So I think we should discuss it tonight here. And like I said, start that process now. Alderman Hammond. Again, the discussion is on the motion to refer. I think there's some challenges. And just for the record, I'm not opposed to reducing the size of the council. I just think that although the structure of how we're going to get there has been ferreted out or at least proposed as part of the document, there's been no discussion of the logistics about how we're going to, which committees, how we're going to do committee structure, how the standing committees are going to look, which committees are we going to give department heads more authority to do the things that we won't have enough bodies to do. When is it going to happen? With redistricting, how that's going to happen? All of these types of things really haven't been discussed. And yes, we could do it in this venue. But I think that having a lot of those challenges figured out at a smaller committee level, bringing it back to the committee as a whole, where we actually have the logistics worked out, makes a little more sense to me at first blush. Alderman Bellinger. Thank you, Madam Chairman. I first brought this up a couple of years ago, and it's relatively the same idea in the same procedure that I brought up. And at that time, there were some logistical issues that Alderman Hammond just mentioned, specifically the committee structure. And the sentiment and a thought of the council at that point in time was that the people on the council certainly didn't want to be involved in more meetings as a result of reducing the size of the council. There was also, you know, after that time, there was the redistricting that was done, and there was the idea put forth that the city should follow the same districts that the county has for their city districts. And that would be 10 instead of 8. And, you know, that should be something that should be looked at too. So, you know, for those reasons and the broad scope of those reasons and the detailed discussion that would be needed to be had on each one of those, I would be for submitting this to strategic fiscal planning as well. And having something come out of that, and I would certainly attend that meeting. I've got an interest in this. Originally, I brought this up, and I would like to see it reduced somewhat. I'm not sure I'm in favor of 8 for a variety of reasons, but I would certainly share those at strategic fiscal planning. Alderman Coss. Yes, thank you, Madam Chair. I would be okay having this sent to strategic fiscal planning because my co-author is not at this meeting, and that would make sense also. Any other discussion, questions, comments? If not, we will vote on the motion to which is to refer this to strategic fiscal planning. All right. And we will do a roll call on this vote. It popped up though. What popped up? I just voted. I just voted. It popped up, but not to refer to committee. Which is a big deal. Are you voting or not? I'd move it to committee, not what this is. On the bottom? Sorry, I didn't read the fine print. On your screen, you have a motion to refer this to strategic fiscal planning, correct? And has everyone voted? And we have 14 ayes on that motion. Thank you. All right. We will move on to item number 3.4. General ordinance proposed by Alderman Koth, reestablishing the salary schedule for the office of Alderperson Commencing Council year 2017-2018. Alderman Koth? Yes, thank you, Madam Chair. I move to also send a strategic fiscal planning. Second. Right. So we have a motion to refer this matter to strategic fiscal planning. Is there a discussion? Alderman Carlson. Thank you, Madam Chair. I personally don't think we need to send this to strategic fiscal planning. I was actually going to make a motion to file. I don't think there's any justification to raise our salary. I would actually go the opposite and try to lower our salary. And I will be submitting a competing document at some point. But there's absolutely no need to, more than double our salary. I think we just need to end this now. Thank you. Alderman Koth. Thank you, Madam Chair. I appreciate your opinion, but I believe that would be a healthy discussion at the strategic fiscal planning committee. Any other comments? Hearing none, seeing none. We'll vote on the motion to refer this matter to strategic fiscal planning. All in favor, state aye. Aye. Any opposed? Aye. One of Alderman Carlson votes nay. Chair votes aye. Motion passes. Well, very good. We are, the next meeting date will be determined, and I would ask for a motion to adjourn. So moved. Second. On favor. Aye. Very good. Thank you.