 Welcome to ToffeeTV, it is the Premier League show, me and Ned are going to break down last weekend's games and they started with Liverpool away from Nottingham Forest in a game that you would think Liverpool have just beat Man City, only going to be one win out here and then this is why people love the Premier League because Nottingham Forest get a 1-0 win and Liverpool, who I was astonished to find out have not won an away game this season and continued and that's a big blow for Liverpool, but a big positive for Forrest. They just seem to be one week on, one week off, I think they got beat by United then they beat Bournemouth 9-0 and then a week later they drop points at Goodersham, fortunately for us and I just think this is a game, I thought they'd kick on off the city and then go into bottom of the table for Forrest who only had one win at the time, I think that would be a good place to go to get your second win and then they can go and get the third and fourth and I think Forrest are surprised, I think Forrest look like they could, Forrest are starting to, I think they're probably their best performance because they look like a real team and they're starting to really gel on that throw. They got a draw didn't they, last week and obviously they've backed her up with a win at home and that's huge for them, you know, trying to get themselves away from that bottom three obviously they're still there at the moment but big defeat for Liverpool, no goals, no goals which is probably a worse thing for them, you know even when obviously they got a 1-0 win last week against City which was huge but obviously before they went to Arsenal they got beat 3-2 at least, they got a couple of goals but I think the forward line, I know it's been in and out this season different players and stuff and no Dias and stuff but one player that they've relied on last few years is definitely obviously Mo Salah he's having a very indifferent season, I think in the Champions League he's absolutely flying but in the Premier League it's just not quite there at the moment and the lads over and the ladies on the playlist on 888 Sports YouTube channel have been chatting about the biggest flops of the season so far. Okay, Mohamed Salah is not having a good season but he has been unplayable for six and therefore the credit is so in the bank that the quality will come back I'm sure. Will it though? But there's three... What? Will it though? I'm asking a general question. Do you know what I was about to say Deflect? What? I reckon that there's three players you go Salah, Son, Stirling, the talent is there, aren't we overestimated, like is Jack Greenish as good as we think he is? Is Jadon Sancho as good as we think he is? No. What's the problem then? Should they be on this list at all or are we expecting more? The reason they're on their list is because one cost 75, one cost 75. That's not their fault. It's not their fault. That's not their fault. Unfortunately it is. No, you wouldn't put James Wopraus on this list, would you? No. Because he's not good enough to be on this list. They come with prestige because they've shown, like when Greenish was at Villa, you can see there's ability there, don't get me wrong, he was the main man and it is different. I had my reservations about him going to sit in the first place. Sancho when he was at Dortmund, he was balling out, he's playing well, and then Champions League games doing it, you know what I mean? There's enough mileage in their tanks to look at them and say them taking another step up, right, they've got to be in there. And they've made it to the biggest teams in World 4. Exactly. So I don't think it's unfair. What I do want to talk about is Mohamed Salah. If you look at players, right, if you look at players who have signed big contracts with the Willy Wonny kind of thing, Abame Yang, David Deheya, you've seen it where players have signed and it just wasn't quite the same. I'm not saying he's done and dusted, I'm asking you, as a Liverpool fan and you guys at home, have we seen the best of Mohamed Salah? Is it only downwards from him? So there you go. Salah, is he one of the big flops of the season so far? It's hard because this time last year he was probably the best player in the world. And you know, I remember in the summer they were bringing in Darren Nunes, he was a proper number nine. And they haven't played that way. They sort of had Salah and Mane, they're wide forwards. So whether it's a change of system or a change of where they've been playing, whether it's Mane leaving, I don't know, but he just seems, he can't find that groove. Whether he just needs a game where he just scores two or three goals and then he can kick on it. Or if it's confidence thing, I don't know. He's still a dangerous player. He's still a world-class player. It's not like he's been atrocious. Maybe it's just that goal and I think when people notice a player hasn't been scoring the goals normally, they get this narrative that they're not performing. I think what we've seen in the Champions League, it's still all there. And I think the break actually for the World Cup, because obviously he's not going the World Cup. The break in the World Cup will probably do him really well. It'll probably do the whole Liverpool team really well because they're struggling with injuries and probably people don't like to use it. But this is a team that, for the last few years, have been just on it every single year and the same players have been going through it. So, yeah, you'll have to wait and see. You can watch the rest of that video over on AT&T Sports YouTube channel on the playlist. Make sure to let them know. Another player you mentioned here was Jack Grealish. He was part of the Manchester City team that beats Brighton-Ho Valby in 3-1. He went off after 77 minutes. But again, Harlan getting another two goals and obviously one was a penalty, but his face one was just brilliant. He just bodies anyone. It's not a foul, I don't care what anyone says. It's not really foul, but make sure he wins the ball, goes around the keeper, body check to defend and put it in. It's just physically frightening to be that fast and that strong. Defenders must just start sitting as deep as they can because he's an absolute machine, that man. But just going back to what they were saying there on the video about Jack Grealish is an interesting one, isn't he? Is he that good? Have we over-hyped him because he's 100 million? Have we over-hyped Plays like Sancho because of the money they've paid for him? I mean, I'd throw a Charleston in that group as well. I know he's injured at the moment, but is he another one? The Plays tag leads us to believe that he's going to be utterly amazing and if he doesn't back up, back her up then somehow he's a flop because I think Jack Grealish is a very, very solid at the moment. I mean, squad players maybe doing them down a little bit, but I think he's learning more and more about the system, the PEP system every day and you get a little bit more out of him. It's not flashy, he's not the Villa player, but that's just the way it is. When Tyrion, he went to Barcelona, he wasn't the player that was at Arsenal. He was a player who had all the skills and the intelligence, which is the most important thing, to play in this Barcelona system that PEP wanted, but he didn't use any of those. He wasn't like the player he was and he said this himself. He didn't even really like it, but he did it and I think that's where people have done something like Grealish as well is that he's laying in the system and he's going to be a cog. I don't think he's ever going to be the standout player. He's going to be a cog, but he's like a lot of players at Man City. He's going to be a really important cog. I don't think it's just something about Grealish. It's something you have to understand about PEP. Grealish, what you like to do at Villa is, and it's why he was so important to Villa, hence why he cost City £100 million, not necessarily what the players were. That was a bio close. What Grealish liked doing is to drop deep, get the ball and run with it, and that's what he was good at. He's gone into City and like a lot of players at City, it takes time to learn the job what PEP wants them to do. It's not just Grealish. Mahrez took time to get used to it. Azuz did, Sterling did. It's just the way PEP plays. Like I said, Harlan's a machine and he's not even human. You know, an excellent 3-1 win. De Bruyne got the third after Trossard had got a goal, which I think really the keeper should have saved. But a great goal by De Bruyne. Good weekend for them after obviously work on the last weekend. We'll get a bit of Liverpool, but a really good weekend for them. The other three-clock kickoff on Saturday was obviously Everton's Gaming, there's Crystal Palace, Cavaloon, Gordon and Dwight McNeill getting there. Probably Everton's best win this season, wasn't he? Sometimes I'm accused of being a bit of a downer, but Palace didn't really come to town. That's down to Everton being so good. I don't think Palace was shocking. Everton was just a good performance, energetic. Everyone played their art out. It was a good tactical change by Frank Lampard. Obviously Crystal Palace were missing an important player. We've checked the court, they put Millervoyevich in, who's not the most mobile replacement for a player who gets on the pitch and they got caught out. I would think that would have been midfield. It just seems to be winning every midfield battle. Our problem so far in the past few games was turning that into goals, and once we find those goals and unlock teams, then teams really haven't got a chance. Yeah, so really good win for Everton and they'll be open to back her up against Fulham who we'll talk about in a moment. This Saturday was Chelsea vs Manchester United. These games often get built up. I don't think this one did too much. I think it was a bit of an afterthought. I don't know why, but obviously Chelsea under Green Potter have been really good so far this season, although they were coming off the back of their draw against Brentford. Manchester United recently have picked up as well after the pacing against Manchester City. But it turned out to be a 1-1 draw with a couple of late goals. Giuginio got a penalty 87 minutes and then Casamiro got his first goal in the 94th minute or 90 plus four because you can't actually have 94 minutes. But again, we talked so much, we spoke about VAR and so much we spoke about technology, but goal line technology showed how important it is for the header. It was a good header. It was a decent save pushed on to the post and I think in the old days this one would have been very, very hard to give. You'd be guessing. We've seen some go further and not been given. This is where goal line technology is so good and again, if we could get other elements of VAR like the offside, this cut and drive, this black and white, then it would make the game so much different and a big moment for the header, for Casamiro to get his first goal, but it shows how good goal line technology is. Yeah, I think Tanag would be happy with the point there. I don't think Potter's having such a honeymoon period. I think he's gone into Chelsea and what he's doing is looking OK. So I think Potter would have been disappointed dropping to a few points so late, but I think both teams respectively would be happy with the point. Yeah, I think you're actually right. I think Green Potter's had a very steady start at Chelsea. I don't think he's done anything mad. I think he's just gone in there and I don't think it's been like, oh my God, look at this. I think he's just been steady. And sometimes that's better. They've done OK in the Champions League of late as well and I think it's better sometimes to have a nice steady start. And obviously Manchester United in good form as well. So at this stage of the season, these games, both managers probably look at them and think, you know, I'll take a point today. So probably Chelsea would be disappointed for conceding such a late goal, but they kept having a point, kept Chelsea above Manchester United, Chelsea on 21 points, Manchester United on 20 after both playing 11 games. So they'll, you know, Chelsea would be happy just because, sorry, Manchester United would be happier because they've won a point. And the Chelsea's hasn't got away from him as well. Both Chelsea be looking, thinking we'll be still above them when we haven't been. I think Chelsea, obviously they've got a couple of games left, but I think that break will be massive for Chelsea. Potter, you've not been there long. He's come in not mid-season, but during the season. Yeah, but Chelsea will be one of those teams, I imagine. A lot of plays, yeah. We'll have a lot of mission. True. Moving on to Sunday, lots of games on Sunday, lots of big ties that involve teams that are in the bottom half of the table. And, you know, as the Villu just sacked Stephen Gerrard, played a home to Brentford, and basically instantaneous to show the difference. 3-0 in 15 minutes. 3-0 up in 15 minutes, and then the 4-0, Bailey got one after two minutes, then Ings got a couple of goals, and then Olly Watkins scored a blow, Brentford out the grand. And it shows you, I mean, in one way it shows you, what changing a manager can do, but on the other hand, you're looking and going, why didn't you all do this? Yeah, yeah. I know you might have liked the fella, but why didn't you all do this? I know there was changes, by the way, you know, the likes of John McGinn went out the team, and things like that, and Coutinho went out the team, and I think Ings come back into it, and Watkins, and you know, it was more of maybe what the fans wanted to see, rather than what the manager wanted to see, Stephen Gerrard, but that is a really, really good win for Villu. I think everyone had said, and they lost the dressing room, I think the Coutinho thing played a big part in that, because Coutinho was Gerrard's, you know, star man or something, he doesn't deserve to play, to be honest, and I think the plays, I think that caused a bit of a sticky situation with the plays, and it showed on Sunday that you take a toxic manager out of a situation, and the players can shine. And that's modern football, the players aren't happy, they'll play, they're not happy, and they'll show that at shooting game. How wrong it is, it's just the mop pad. No, I know, and I do agree with Gerrard, that the players are the disgrace, but it does happen, it happens all the time. Man management is probably as big as ever really. Yeah, and what I would say is, say what though, I mean, great win for Villen, and they've got, they've, you know, they've obviously made a decision that they've brought, obviously, the new manager in. Unai Emery? Yeah, Unai Emery, who obviously we've seen here before at Arsenal, and really, really good culture. They've made that decision, and he'll have the time, when the break comes in three weeks, or a couple of weeks or whatever it is, to get them on the training pitch. You'll have a win though, as soon as that's over as well. Yeah, yeah. But I'd say Brentford though, recently away, I mean, five at Newcastle, four at Villen, I know the home records, decently drew with Chelsea, they'll nail, but after having a really good start, they've sort of been dragged back into the mix now. Defensively shock it. I know they've gone to a back, back four a few times this season, they've lost a couple defenders as well, but they just keep leaking goals away from home. Some of the goals, they could have easily kept out against Villen, they just gifted it, so they moved the ball to be honest, but... Moving on, I think the latest manager on the pressure is Atley, United. Jesse Marsh. Did you hear his after-match? He said, I'm sick of losing games, I'm sick of not taking chances. I was a player, and as a manager, I've never gone through this. Yes. Premier League, mate. Nobody asked that, I mean, ultimately, I mean, I think he's finding out what the Premier League's all about. Obviously, Fulham beat them 3-2 after Leeds had taken the lead, but again, Fulham proved they can score goals everywhere. Yeah, yeah. But I think he said after the game as well, wouldn't know you me, as a fan, he said, I'm not here to talk about tactics and stuff like that, what are you, are you here to talk about that? You have to show the fans, obviously the fans shown how unhappy they were after the game. Yes. So that was a chance for him to settle the fans. Yeah. Pretty much like what Martin has used to doing and just say, listen, we're building something. Yeah, he's a very, like, he's a very sort of excitable fellow, you know, we've seen it when we've played him with the whole time, keeping an eye on him. Excitable. He's like, what are you off his head? No, he likes to, like, put himself out there to, and I get that in a way, because that can be good, that can take the pressure off the players, because he, at the moment, is sort of like, you don't even really worry too much about the Leeds players, it's all about the manager, but this isn't Leeds last season, but certainly when he came in, we're terrible, and that's not going to be an easy job, and I don't think he should rush to judgment, certainly not before the break anyway. I don't, the way they are isn't, you know, there's a couple of, a couple of wins or a win. Yeah, yeah. And the top half. I know they're dropping down. I know, I think the Gerard thing was a different situation, because I think people genuinely disliked him at the club and the players disliked him, so that was a hard one, but, yeah, they'll be disappointed losing at home, losing three goals, but great win for Fulham as well, absolutely fine, another good win, then the top half of the table, they're scoring goals, and Marco Silva's doing a really, really good job there. I think Mitrovic, doing with Fulham is, they've got players who had played in Premier League before, I went down with Fulham, and they've stayed with them, had a really good season in the championship now, they've come back up, and the effect has had on players like Mitrovic, you didn't score many at all when they went down. They had a great season scoring, 40-odd goals, and they've come up, and he's on nine goals already, and something like 11 points, which is crazy. Yeah. Moving on, the league leader's asked on into Southampton, so he really needed to jack it, but couldn't hold on and Armstrong, Stuart Armstrong scored in the 65th minute to make it one. Pretty even game, and I'll ask that more possession than them, but shots wise, three shots on target, you know, pretty much even on all the other counts, maybe apart from possession, Southampton had way more corners, so Southampton definitely deserved something out of the game, and obviously, Arsenal went on and lost in the Europa League, so it's been a bit of a wobble for them. This week, there's still two points cleared at the top, from Manchester City, but Manchester City breathing down the next, you know, now, so it'll be interesting moving forward. I think when, I think other fans looking in, and I suppose Arsenal as well, before they actually say, oh, Arsenal, we won a top four finish, and we'd look at Arsenal and go around top four, but I think when, certainly the fans would fail. When you're going to get off to a start like that, and with the momentum, and you're winning every week, when you drop points like that, there's always something inside, you're like, oh, we could go and win this, or the fact that them dropping points, I'd seem like Southampton, I think they'd be go to. Yeah, and they've got a great opportunity to bounce back this weekend, they're playing for us, they're on one side, so that's a great opportunity for them to bounce back. I still think that, as a team so far, I think they're doing better than anyone else predicted they do, to be honest. Easily better, Leicester went to Wolves, and had four shots on target, and scored four goals. Wolves had five shots on target, and didn't score a goal. They had five shots on target, eight shots off target, and Leicester made five, and the whole game scored four Tealmans, which would be unbelievable, by the way. Smashed it. That's like their Beatles in it. Those four are like their Beatles. Fab Four. They're like their Fab Four. It was very Paul Scholes-esque goal, wasn't it, from Tealmans. Smashed it. I'm surprised he's not gone to a, you know, like a club like Liverpool, or a city or something like that, but he's kept hold of him, and he's doing really well. Well, he's in the last year of his contact, isn't he? So we will go somewhere at the end of the season. Someone will get a bargain there. Good win for Leicester. That moved them up to 11 points, and, you know, when you consider that, you know, 15 points is nine, or 16 points is eight. You know, the pack above them, like they've ever in Palace, Bournemouth, Aston Villa, is only a point away. So they've brought, put themselves massively back in, you know. Yeah, yeah. I think that will give them confidence. I think they really poured offensively to get off this season, so one of the clean sheet will do really well. I think, well, Brendan Rodgers is it, I know he was under a lot of pressure, certainly early in the season, but he's a good manager, and you'll get him organised, and he's obviously a good result. And obviously, that put them above Wolves. Wolves are on nine points there in the bottom three, in the 19th place. They haven't got a manager yet. I think they've decided to leave the coaching charts on next year. But, again, they're on nine points. You know, they're a win away from being, again, back in the pack. It's not, at this stage, it's not a massive drama where they are. Yeah. You know, if this is the way, and it doesn't always work out like this, but if this is the way it's run they have all season, they've got a great opportunity, lest they're back in the pack after picking up a few points. So, I think another team there that could do with the break already, this fella's got the job till next season, so see what he can do next year, isn't it? Well, yeah. It's straight, I just think, sacking Bruno, Bruno Lage, and they've got, not really much plan what to do after it, except leaving this fella in. In the other game, so it's like the big, another big game of the day, Newcastle went to Tottenham, and Newcastle basically did whatever they couldn't do the week before. They took their chances, Wilson capitalising on a loriche mistake, and then chipping it over them. Almeric, another good goal just before half-time. Kane got one back but it wasn't enough. Two mistakes from Luis for me, I thought he was absolutely shocking. That, I don't know what he's doing, probably expecting a foul or something from the Wilson, but that goalkeeping from the Almeric goal is absolutely shocking. It is, he goes right under them. He's guarding their post, and if he goes far corner, you've done your job, he runs out of him and just falls on the floor. But again, it's a game where it's really, really close, and all it is is one team took two chances and the other team could only take one, and that's the thing if you've got to take your chances. Before Kane take their chances and end up getting beat 2-0, it's really comfortable. Yeah. If you take the chances again, the first half, the game's completely different and if you are defensively solid, like Newcastle are, unlike Everton, Artful Point, if you can take your chances and then get solid, you make it really hard for the opposition, I think. What Newcastle got to take a lot of credit for there is that they, they managed to go the last half an hour, you know, because when it got to 2-1 there, I was expecting, I honestly was expecting Tottenham to get a second. I was just thinking, there's plenty going, you know, Kane scores on the 54th minute, there's 36 minutes to score another goal, and I'm really... They didn't really do much as well, to be honest. Newcastle have done brilliantly there, and... They're starting to show the difference now of what they've been doing. Well, they just... I think Eddie Howell came on a season, he made a quite solid at home, picked up a few points away, and now they're starting to get, you know, wins away, which is really good. They're just really organised, they've got 21 points out of 12 games, plus 10 on the goal difference, which is absolutely huge as well, I think. They're just a very well-organised team, and a very balanced team. They've got a decent defence, a decent midfield, and a decent attack. They brought in players that should really smart-buy as well. Both players in the needed. There's no... I don't think there's any... There's no fat, there's no waste, it's, again, go back to Evan, it's where Evan, I've got her so wrong over the years. And the final game of the weekend, was Monday Night West Hampton, on Bournemouth, Bournemouth being doing very well of late. They took the lead on the 45th minute, Zuma, and got a penalty in the last minute through Ben Rahme. Both of them with a little bit of controversy. Zuma, volleyball's the ball, basically. It goes back into play, off a corner, and then he gets a header on it, one nil. The VAR determined that the handball wasn't on paper, so therefore it's fine. Yeah, the problem I've got with that is if a defender does that, it's a penalty. Yeah. And then, at the end of the game, Bournemouth giving away a penalty very similarly. See, here comes Dancers with, the ball gets crossed, his hands there when he slid, there is some minutes of penalty, and this is what I find a little bit mad about offside, there's that. How can one be offside, handball? How can one be at handball, and one not handball? My issue was it with, with it was, and the first, that's not a natural position, the ball's coming towards, that's not a natural reflex. I think the ball, on my phone, he's dove in, and as you dive your arms, you can't dive like this, you dive like this, and his arm's coming down in motion, and if it doesn't hit him, because it's here, it is his chest or whatever, and I think, I think Bournemouth would be hard done by, I know they haven't, I think they're 14 for now, they haven't got a season, so I don't think they'd be too. Yeah, they're 14 with this. I think if they went there and got beat, I don't think they'd be too upset, but I think they got hard done by it, but in terms of west arm, I think it's a good, it's another three points. Yeah. A bit less pressure off more, they're starting to get the groove now. Top half of the table, I'm 14 points now, top half of the table, as I said, they're within, you know, they're within a win of Liverpool and being back amongst it, they're doing really well in Europe, they won again in the Europa League, they've already qualified. So their season now has got to that level where they've got over a bumpy start, not winning games and they're winning again. It's classic moist season. That's a typical moist season, is it? You start, you get off a bit of shade, Everton fans never put that much pressure on, like western fans do this season, because we expect it, we expect that. You get over a little bump and then our lockdown will be tap picking up wins. Classic points, good win for them, but just looking at the table, Arsenal top 28 points, Man City 26 points, played the same games, which is 11. The game and Anders against each other. Tottenham in third and this is where they'll be really disappointed. 23 points, if they've got a win, they'd be on the same points as City and two points behind Arsenal. They're on 23. Mad dad, Arsenal's goal difference 14, City's 25 and then Tottenham's is nine. Newcastle fourth and 21. Chelsea 21, they've played the game less than Newcastle and Manchester United in sixth on 20 and I'll just do the bottom three. Forrest bottom with nine, Wolves with nine and Leeds in the bottom three now with nine. So, yeah, there you go. Three games, still, the Whale Cup. Yeah, it's going to be very, very interesting and then we get the break. So, we'll be covering here on the Premier League show on Toffee TV make sure you check out the rest of that eight, eight, eight sport video over on their channel. The playlist get over there, give the lads your feelings in the comments. Give them a like, subscribe to them. There you go. Subscribe to us if you haven't already. Give this video a like. If you want more great videos, daily live videos, join us over on Toffee TV Premier. The link is in the description and it's on the screen now.