 welcome to HotMakes right here on the edge of tech and HotMakes and HotMakes on Facebook and everywhere pretty much everywhere I am Nerdy J also known as Jim from the edge of tech this is Geary and this below me right here this is Brett and Buck how you guys doing let's uh we're good yeah you're you're already here yeah we just we just explained that we pull them in later and then I so in the background I totally just clicked the turn them on accident so hi you're here that's okay that's okay well welcome we have some awesome time with these guys they're from King Gubby Designs and we're gonna talk to them in one second let's let's do some housekeeping first first and foremost welcome to HotMakes we're here every Monday at 6 p.m. central and that's central time just for your time zone peeps out there it's different across the world I know I saw Canada already I know we have Europe in the house California we third you guys are everywhere so just remember 6 p.m. central also everything 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but I have been doing a Monday show for that long so we've been talking about potentially moving and I know Mondays are hard for some people because you had a long weekend and it's the first day back at school and you have to get the kids ready and all that stuff too so if there was a day we were gonna move hot makes to hit that poll let us know which day maybe we will even look at it at the end of the episode and see where we're at just for the heck of it but also it's gonna be open until December 31st we're leaving it open all month all month that long yeah why not okay I mean we have 800 subscribers and we only get like 50 watching every episode that's true that's true Wednesdays at 9 a.m. I'm sure it would go up drastically you know hey we have the year of viewers too so there you know there's that anyways I think that's it am I missing anything Geary I just want to make sure I'm not missing anything before we get rocking I think I think that's it for this episode for housekeeping awesome well if that's being like a great Christmas present would be hitting a thousand subs yeah yeah great Christmas present hitting a thousand subs would be awesome we could turn on the super chats on this channel we're gonna start funneling things more towards this just one channel I think that way we can kind of like collect everybody back in one place too but anyways yeah I think we should keep going ladies gentlemen as you as you already found out right below me here soon to be right next to me we'll have Brent and Buck from King Gubby Designs how you guys doing good man good Q applause there it is nice man just surviving the holidays I hundred percent agree on that so I've known you guys for a couple years now you know since we've been doing laser videos together and admittedly I featured a bunch of your stuff on this channel on my channel the edge of tech and you know we were talking recently and you know we were talking about the show and that kind of thing and I was like you know why don't you come on the show you guys literally have a 3d printing business for laser stuff I mean what more is perfect for this show than that I don't even know but before we go too far how about like who you guys are what you know what you do and and where we can find you and we'll do that again at the end of the show yeah I have a key start yeah well originally me and him started out we were working together I you might see some guitars dangling in the back but I actually run a guitar repair shop as well and Brett here was working with me and we got the laser in-house to kind of start burning on stuff and started improving on our own laser and kind of started sharing some of that with some of the people in the groups and you know next thing you know it you know people wanted it and then a lot of people wanted them and yeah we made wide a few upgrades at this point and evolved them quite quite a bit now yeah it's been a really fun ride well you're missing a huge piece this goes back actually like 25 years black football together and that's been really fun man like really getting into both subject matters you know lasers and 3d printing like it was a really solidifying thing for us because we'd had a good amount of time apart you know in our friendship just life and all that and so it really kind of brought us back together and we're like hey I like working with you more than 90% of the other people I've ever talked to so nice well I love that you do guitars in the background too I totally forgot that but I remember talking to you and we were talking about you know building guitars and I have that that's CNC and I was like man this would be really cool to you know mill out a guitar but you know so you started doing guitars you have a 3d printer laying around you got the laser you started throwing stuff in in some of the groups in your tour group and if I remember right in the Nikki Norton group back in the day there and like you said people are like can I get one of those like yeah yeah go ahead yeah just started slow just like hey this could be a cool way to pay for filament and then you know it was hard to I didn't have time to print my own stuff anymore because I was printing everyone else's and yeah it's kind of a you know then they're making new things and more mods and it's gonna kept running with and and Jack in the shop says fiber co2 diode or all of the above primarily primarily diode but we're starting to sell some things like enclosures for fiber lasers primarily the diode space at least video the 3d printed upgrades yeah let us know if you got an idea though and that was one of the cool things about you guys like ever since we ever met you know and I got some stuff from you and like two years ago or whatever it was you guys have been like if you ever see anything you think would be cool shoot it out there I want you know you guys are always looking for suggestions so you can model something so you can help make the community make their lasers better and it just super cool because it doesn't matter if it's Lego feet which you guys have by the way that fit the duplo blocks to raise up your your lasers or you know fixing the the Z so you don't have to like you know lower it and raise it and all that stuff you guys do some cool stuff and it's cool that you guys design or modify designs right for most of your stuff well and most of it's our own designs now they're the original the Z adjuster that one's kind of a spawn off and the belt tensioners but now most of them that we're putting out are just you know ones that were whipping up from scratch infusion kind of thing well and what we've been kind of a big piece of the business ever since you know we kind of said alright let's run with this was we would do exactly this exactly what Ed saying so we would tell people hey you have this laser we only make this product for it what else do you want what else would you do we'll make it for free and send it to you can give us feedback and so sure you've really tried to set it up in the way where it's like the community will tell us what is necessary for their specific laser and then we can design it out and do one two three versions and you know get some feedback and I saw someone write sharks with lasers is a comment that was actually the first mod we ever had for sale shark that you could attach to your laser beam yeah we did it if you want it let me know I got you we should we should we should definitely do that again I think you know man sharks with freaking laser beams I love that second sharks with laser beams is someone else just commented I second that so you know you said you kind of work in guitars you got a laser in the shop you guys started like kind of printing stuff for more people let's start with like printers I mean you guys all your stuff most of it not all of it but most of it is printed what printers do you use and mostly like what filaments let's start there yeah we're pretty much all across board right now using Ender 3's right now the pros we got a whole stack of boxes right there v2's that we've been meaning to set up nice but yeah they're pretty heavily modified at this point actually through your recommendation they're pretty much all 3d to the mask yeah pretty much the whole catalog on those they run like absolute war courses now yeah compared to some of the new stuff coming out they can be a little slow but they run around the clock and I mean right now yeah yeah that's got a little wall back there behind these little shelves right here so no that's awesome so mostly Ender 3 models that are modified greatly I have a couple still heavily modified th3d models myself and I mean I it's it's awesome when you can have a machine that's sub $200 now right throw some throw some upgrades in there and let it fly and it's crazy how far since you know 2019 when the Ender 3 came out right how far printing has come now you have something like the Soval SV06 that is literally I mean it's close to a Prusa clone as you could get argue in the comments if you want I'm good with that but it literally like you can use an MK3S profile change the build area change retraction to 0.5 and that's it I mean it prints it prints nicely and it's cool though that that you guys use the original the Ender 3s you're rocking them out and you guys know how to work on them do you guys print in is PLA mostly or PGG ABS what do you what do you do yeah primarily PLA black in particular seems to be our most so a lot of it nice most three where we've been getting it recently has been the matter hackers their PLA has been working real well for our machines yeah again we run them around the clock and it's the price the price is right for the wall to get we're getting for sure well the way we look at it too is we like the bamboo I know you've been playing around with that a lot like it's got a price tag to it and it really for us because we're attacking it it's such a production angle and not necessarily the hobby angle it's like what's our horsepower largest horsepower for our buck way to keep the the mechanism running you know and so we sure but we had that first so being able to really tear it completely apart put it back together there's no learning curve at this point and so it's like we can just scale so simply with the mechanism we already have with the same with the same ones you have and that makes total sense now you could probably print three complete build plates in the time you can print one on the end of three but now it's interesting it's the value well it's like you said it's the value what do you get okay for say you have 500 bucks into the into I don't know what you have but like 500 bucks into an under three with all the upgrades maybe you have hot and bored I don't know you know whatever you have in there right at that point you guys already have them of course you wouldn't want to just switch everything out it doesn't make sense but at $500 does it make sense when they start crashing or dying or you have to retire them to go to a $700 machine that prints three times as fast you know I think that's where people are gonna start looking at you know the the bamboo especially with that P1P it is it is ridiculous if you're printing PETG PLA TPU that kind of thing nothing that requires an enclosure for 700 bucks you can't even get an unbuilt Prusa for 700 bucks I mean so it's kind of crazy that way and I think you're gonna start seeing those in a lot of farms or even new farms I have four total and it is absolutely insane to keep them all going and I have some big projects coming up and I think it's gonna put them to some testing I have hundreds of hours on these things but it's gonna be interesting to see what they do in that situation when you have four running like around the clock for a very large project or something you know see that's what we like is like the stress test of longevity you know yeah I get it yeah and the ender threes they've been they've been awesome just like you know everybody's like the Prusa side of things they've been around they're proven the company's proven you know Criotty maybe not such a not such a company like Prusa right but the product has been there and you guys can fix them yeah yeah yeah well I was gonna say I you've done some stuff with Voron right because we were kind of looking at that for a while we're gonna just build some stuff out or am I wrong I haven't yet I haven't taken the plunge because time really I think that's my biggest thing so I was at I was at IRF and Dave from printed solid he said no matter what model you get your first build plan 50 hours when I was just like 50 hours like he's like I don't care if it's the most the smallest one or the biggest just plan 50 hours because you're gonna need it the first time especially and I'm just like man I don't have 50 hour I don't have two hours to come in here and clean up the studio yeah but but the thing is though it's completely different because when you're at the end of that build say it takes you 35 hours you have 35 hours into this machine of building and tuning and and that thing means something different right then yeah you know then spending 700 bucks and and opening it up and seeing your first sub 20 minute benchy you have that you're connected then because we were just looking at them before the bamboo came out that's what we were saying like well do we want to really get in there and get real deep in that technical and figure those out and then be able to run all that but now that the bamboo is out yeah P1P everybody keeps saying well for the price I mean geez for the price it's crazy but so let's go back to pieces so you guys do kits and laser pieces of so do you guys have like a ton of lasers now like you have to buy every model to model off of it or how's that work no a lot of times we'll work remotely with some of our you know good customers that we've been friends with a long time you know typically like to work with the the more engineering types that can you know send us actual like CAD files you know things you know caliper measurements and things like that so that way we can actually measure it and send it out their way and kind of do the correspondence and you know get things fit because there's I think or hers released at least six different models in like a year yeah they went the way of Creality for sure I think yeah so I mean between them and you know we also make parts for scope fun and neat the nature Adam Adam stack yeah yeah there's a few of them that we'll say we we don't necessarily have enough space to be laser orders but there are people already doing that yeah we're leveraging some of our relationships in that regard nice well what's nice is like three parts so yeah yeah I was gonna say what's nice is the other cool thing is I know in the past working with you guys you're like hey we made a revision to this part can you want to print it quicker do you want me to send it to you well you could throw me the file I can print it in an hour or I could wait for three days and you get to pay for shipping what's the point you know and that's cool when you're when you're working back and forth with somebody especially if they have a printer because you can be like hey what this if it fits you know give us our feedback real-time in it and I think that's a cool a cool option to have in one argument for 3d printing you know additive manufacturing is really cool for prototyping like that we've worked with people not that are in this country to make this happen before it normally works better if they're close so that we can do quick shipping and things if needed but you know what we've done but you know what we there's been certain things yeah we've you know worked with people in the UK and made made it happen on this oddball machines and yeah nice I what do you want for the X1 excuse me yeah the cost yeah D1 X tool D1 everybody's saying just got the X tool 20 watt which is a beast of a cutter by the way yeah yeah but yeah I think you know it's just a cool idea in general you start with modifying some parts hey the printer didn't come with any way to easily raise and lower the Z to focus it or to set the height when you put something thicker in or something like that okay well let's do that then you know hey we just put you know if I don't know a three inch cup or something in there we need to raise the laser how do we do feet underneath I remember originally you guys had different feet and then you had the Lego idea or the Duplo idea right and yeah I like that I love those because you pretty much if you don't know what that is actually I'll let you guys explain it let's talk about the Duplo feet for a second here because it comes back it's well it's a fairly simple concept but it is pretty it's a great idea but give buck all the credit basically just Duplo Legos the big two by fours but created like an attachment for the top and the bottom you screw a bottom into your wasteboard that goes into the wasteboard yeah it's connected to yeah so you can secure your foot all the way down but if you pop it open and pop a Duplo brick in there it'll raise it yeah so you can put the base screws into your wasteboard and then let's let's raise it up three bricks and then you can raise it up three dupe you know Duplo bricks put that on and then the feet of your laser sit inside of that so the laser doesn't shift which is awesome because that means your lasers in the same place every single time right and it's real easy to just pick up your entire laser afterwards swap out whatever you need put it down and we've also we sell extra bottoms because you know for production like we do obviously more production with 3d printers but we've seen people who have you know four or five laser like I think it was Ed that said you know I have four lasers yeah you can just basically have four wasteboards set up with them already lined up and you just kind of pick your laser up and move from wasteboard to wasteboard so you do you cut back on your prep time pretty good oh I didn't even think about that if you had multiple wasteboards set up and you were using the same or similar lasers I mean I guess you'd probably probably easier if you're using the same laser right yeah to pop them yeah that's if you have one then you can just kind of pick the whole frame up with the brick feet on it and move it to the next down interesting or some people have like certain gigs for certain items you know if they got like some big thing they built for the rotary and they wanted to pop it up there you know we've seen a lot of combinations at this point yeah so well and not only that you guys do we saw light burn camera mounts someone was talking about that air assist you're doing some of the covers what do they call close you're not really they're not really grow tense they're laser enclosures you know ventilation I know like I said air assist and that kind of thing I mean it's you guys don't only have 3d printed stuff but it's majority of 3d printed stuff right yeah yeah we're just trying to find solutions man whatever we can come up with for whatever the issue you know not everybody's into not everybody's doing like rotary stuff so they don't need the feet or not everybody some people burn outside some people are concerned about the top the fumes and all that stuff so we have the enclosure not fire-resistant we want to work towards getting something like that but you know it works you know nobody should step away from their laser regardless of what it's doing or what it's doing and but but it does solve the fumes issue you know and we run it every time in there keep it from going blind too yeah yeah that's that's I think you're bigger you know your bigger thing and yeah someone says you know right can't have it right and it's you know if the dog runs in or the cat anything like that so yeah well they get a new tattoo and then but now I think it's a pretty awesome thing you mean you guys literally took you saw something that's needed in the community and you started like hey how can we help and let's start doing this and to be fair your prices are awesome for what you do I mean you guys offer packages and kind of like kits if you want to put them together I know at one point there was like an ultimate kit for the or tour laser master to that kind of thing you still do okay we have an edge of tech kit still floating around I was gonna say I remember I remember that from I think it was like early last year or late last year something like that I remember the edge of tech kit I bet you those links are still in those videos too yeah we recently got on Amazon which has been you know which has been nice to kind of finally start to get that momentum going if anybody's done that but man what a monster yeah I can imagine what if they're you know if we're in the 3d printing what does it take you know maybe like a summary like what does it take to get on Amazon do you guys ship the stuff yourself or do you ship it to Amazon to have it shipped or how's that work we're doing fulfilled by us for now we want to see if our sales will increase if we do fulfilled by them but right now we're doing all of it because we have enough bandwidth right now to be able to handle it but you know if it does get big enough then it is nice to know that we can like use them as a 3PL but I'll tell you right off the bat they it costs you 40 bucks a month and it's 12% of your margin per sale so they take the lion's share so yeah 12% right off the top well and it's 12% for 3d printed things but if you sell other things you can get like 6% or whatever so you're kind of the most expensive tier if you're a 3d printer I don't know why they don't like us but it's you know it's good it's there's there's definitely a different demographic of people what we really like about the people that we built into a community and around our whole thing is a lot of them are really deep tankers we get a lot more people who you can tell like don't fully understand what they're doing with lasers sometimes and so it's a little bit more hand-holding but it's you know it's bringing people into the space which is great too yeah that's awesome I think you're I guess searching on Amazon you probably would have definitely a different crowd than popping through the forums or or even I mean the Facebook groups that kind of thing and then saying hey I could use that I mean they're already in those groups they're probably got a grasp on what they want or see what they want if you're on Amazon it's like my nephew has a laser he can use these pieces which is great for you guys too but but yeah it's funny I think we just we just had a trade I believe we just had a trade of a leg for a fiber laser tripod needs a leg and it appears that Ed who was gonna give up the leg Gary I just I missed someone said I'll trade you a functional leg for your fiber laser he's already got one he doesn't need another one oh yeah that's true oh it's Ed see yeah I trade you a function or a leg yeah but he he'll give up a leg for the thing is tripod has a hundred watt fiber laser and see is like reverse rocket raccoon you're trying to give somebody a leg I love it I love it but no it so if if you were gonna give anybody or someone out there some advice like I want to start up a 3d print farm like what would you guys I'll ask you both this question because you might have different answers but like you want to start up a 3d print farm I have 10 I don't know 510 printers whatever where would you start like what would you do well I mean if you've already got the printers that's one thing so I mean if you already have your product you know you got to find your your customers and then you know the next biggest hurdle I know for us was you know making it look nice getting getting the packaging down the instructions have been such a hurdle to get all the videos the advertisements you know the logo like all that kind of stuff that doesn't necessarily come like for me it didn't come naturally because I'm kind of the guy who's printing and I'm tinkering all the time and it came a little bit more naturally so that's what we can make a really good pair so I recommend find someone like him that can you know make it look pretty work well that's funny I'm gonna say the opposite yeah find a good tinker yeah I think that's absolutely true man it's like a partner can go a long way for running just the fat I mean anybody who has a business knows it's never ending it just keeps going so you know we we we don't get stressed out together in a like a bad way and I think that's been super huge but also just I mean get going you know you'll find a niche print things you like find out if other people like it and then kind of that's what we were doing is kind of tripping into the ecosystems of like okay this and this and this and the laser stuff really was the first thing to respond but we've we also have other products that we sell and make and it's really just stuff you're interested in there's other people but yeah you got to wrap a whole business around it UPCs don't do UPCs unless you have to and that's Amazon UPCs is a whole other monster to climb so you know I took I took a couple things away from that I took number one find a good partner or support system number two just start like do something get it out there and go you know I think one of the one of the big quotes out there right is it you know finished is always better than perfect yeah so I mean maybe it's not perfect right now and you keep iterating you guys have several versions of different things you know I've been in the middle of a video and you're like wait we just changed hang on yeah let me let me shoot you over that file or whatever and and that's perfect because you know it's always like you said it's always something going and if you guys are always moving that's great so getting started is half the battle I think that rings really true and you can always refine you know like our thing that he was mentioning that we need to bring up is that when we started what we were just putting everything in sandwich bags you know and it was very edgy friendly but as we started getting a little bit more business we were like okay we need to really figure out the presentation what if this ends up in a shelf at a hobby spot or if we find a distributor if we are going to Amazon you know if we find a distributor in Canada or whatever if you're a distributor in Canada reach out you know so like as you as you as you're moving that inertia will allow you to figure out how to refine the business model itself this is true of like any business but sure yeah really getting it dialed in for what your audience wants to hopefully we're doing that Abby Abby says finish is better than perfect I need to remember that absolutely and she said for many things in my life absolutely so like it's funny my wife is super super perfectionist she is big into like miniatures she's redoing her childhood like dollhouse and it's 112th scale so it's all tiny right an inch is really like a foot because it's 112th scale right and but she is like very hard on herself for stuff that I'm like that looks that looks great and she's like actually these two pieces of glitter are just about off because they're right in front of this and I'm like no one would ever see that except for her and she's been doing some amazing like tiny snow globes that are like I mean they're the tiniest thing and she's hand doing them with UV cured resin and I think they looked phenomenal and she'll be like well this piece is just a little bit in front of that P.M. like no one whatever they're gonna look at this thing go wow yeah well and she's she so we balance each other out right I I run around and do stuff you know like almost there and then she runs around and tells me how to fix it so yeah well it's funny I feel like we both have the opposite end of the neuroses stick or something because whatever he is neurotic about I'm kind of like just just it's fine what are you talking about yeah and then the opposite is true so we kind of keep each other moving towards the middle so we're not inefficient you know we're really focused on the same perfection at the same time yeah good no that's that's perfect I mean in and like I said you guys have I mean you come a long way right since the very first time like you said sandwich bags and ziplocks and yeah it's really cool if you guys have quite yeah right if you guys have questions shoot them in now what we're definitely gonna answer some questions we have a few minutes we're gonna talk we're gonna do some hot makes check out some hot makes too but is there is there anything cool you guys can talk about or want to talk about that could be coming up or that you've done recently I mean guitars behind you that's phenomenal by the way yeah yeah do you guys I mean have anything cool you can talk about maybe yeah I think our main thing right now is we've really been trying to attack some of the hotter lasers we have a Z adjuster for the LM3 okay we have brick feet for the LM3 which I'm sure you'll get soon and you know we're constantly trying to figure out like right at the front edge here we don't have an X tool I would love to figure out some solutions but I know they've kind of been crushing it with a lot of the stuff that they have sure but if anybody has any ideas that we you know that they can't find a solution for for the X tool we do want to do that our tent or our enclosure works with the X tool same with yeah our pumps yeah nice I think it's got a little bit we have some pretty powerful ones in our shop for pretty good prices yeah I can't see why they keep pumping out these like 13 15 20 liter a minute pumps and we've we've run tests we have videos our videos are nowhere near as good as pot makes or edge attack but we've just just to kind of get it out there we've run some side-by-sides with all of our pumps and we've found that about 75 liters at least with the diameter for irises 75 liters at 65 75 we have both those pumps are really where you're hitting a sweet spot any more you probably want to be running it like split if you have multiple lasers but 75 be getting rid of a lot of the scorching and helping cut I was gonna say for cutting though I mean you you don't want to really run any any air while you're etching or much just enough to keep it out of the lens right for us I mean it depends on what you're etching I mean honestly I run my air they're pretty much everything there's a few things I don't but yeah mine's not an over it's not an over the lens one because I mean just quite frankly I'm not comfortable putting plastic printed plastic over my laser lens so I got it coming in from the side but that 45 degree angle it kind of shoots it back out so I think it really clears out all the dust makes everything burn a little hotter so I've noticed you know deeper engraves some things I'll leave it off but then I'll notice dust on my lens and things like that so I tend to favor just keeping it on for everything for me personally at least interesting I think some things like canvas and things like that are not don't work well with that but I honestly I don't really do canvas so I pretty much do it all the time I got a quick shout out Andrew thank you so much ten bucks to the PayPal and he says do I really need a reason so thank you so much we really appreciate that Andrew thank you thank you let's see 3d we have we do have a couple quick questions here Kevin Jones where are you guys located that was a San Diego San Diego oh anyways also Joel telling 3d printing your question I want a fiber laser laser are there affordable ones affordable yeah yeah that's true that's true Abby says I'm a San Diego that is a good question what's what's affordable Joel that that actually very relevant tripod is got like five of them or four of them or something so he'd probably be a really good person to answer that question as well but yeah I think around five grand's kind of the the comfortable spot for him for a good for a good one yeah I'd be you know five grand right now about what what I'd spend five grand or less is what he said and I know I know there's some stuff coming from some other players in the field I guess you could say and that we'll see that stuff like right after the beginning of the year here I know Tripods garage he has a couple of good fiber and Mopa videos on his I know Mopa video is kind of a different style fiber it can do it can do colors if depending on the atmosphere and all that but also it's it's more expensive you add money to your price tag when you do that but Tripods as a 5k you have a lot of options so definitely definitely around that area and I love them the sound they make it's so cool the yeah with lightburn coming into the mix supporting fiber lasers it's honestly been a game changer for I think the production and the cost on them now that you know there's software that's common and you know easy to use and supported that's making these Chinese machines way nicer to use so and it's working on a lot of them so I think that now that that's been supported which I I think that they released that video right around last Christmas last year if I remember was that when I started seeing those holiday videos for lightburns 40 maybe a few months later it actually worked I think that they're gonna continue to get cheaper and cheaper now that you know people are willing to buy it it's not you know really hard to use software Jack in a shop we all love lightburn also Tripods grouches Mopah has a wider frequency range absolutely I mean like like you're saying the Mopah has such a huge frequency range that allows you to do different colors and burns and check out his videos he has some fun ones and he does like actual templates of different colors and stuff like that but you know he says easy cat has memory issues light burns much better so it's kind of like CO2 though I mean CO2 started super expensive now look where they are I mean they're much more reasonable fiber I'm sorry diode same thing they started crazy I mean a little bit high there and I mean look at the first ones that started coming out they were I would consider those high now everybody every company in their dog has a diode laser now they're slapping three four diodes all in one right yeah which is crazy and pretty cool by the way metal engraving space with cheap stuff which is right I'm sure yeah Etsy says CO2 is shipping with lightburn absolutely and even the 40 watt you know the K40 some of those are coming with the Rudea controllers now so you don't have to mess with you know upgrading them and there's a community member Tim Tim Rothman I think his name is that he's in the that order group and everything and he makes you know upgrade boards that work with K40 and order and stuff yeah other guys like us doing other things that are making these products really cool and compatible I can't wait I'm there's just so much cool stuff out there I'm I have one of the I don't even know how to say it it's like the Greek cloud or whatever it's a CO2 laser and it's kind of been replicated now for a different couple different companies and I'm waiting for a board I was in the middle of a burn and the power supply just died everything we shut down I got nothing but you know it's actually a pretty nice little laser and you know I think it's interesting because you have like Glowforge and everyone is so drawn because of the name and you know they've been around for a minute but they're so limited because you can't use them without internet you can't yeah I mean if you're not connected to their cloud you don't use your laser and that's a deal break personally but you know I agree a hundred percent myself but I mean and they're definitely not upgradeable I mean like without through them you know they're very proprietary where you have something like the one I'm looking at now where you can use it either with their software or with lightburn it's actually a really nice little 50 watt laser it doesn't take up a ton of space and it's like man I just like now I blew out a power supply so there's that but you know I think there's just some really cool stuff on the scene and if you wanted to get into that side of things with the lasers you can do it through the diodes you can do it through the CO2s or the fibers and it's so much more affordable than it was even two years ago oh yeah well Glowforge is kind of taking that Apple approach yeah you know you're kind of like if you want you got to play our play ball our way yeah but yeah I think this space is not it has a lot of market share but it's because of ease but I think there's still always going to be this huge collection of people who are like I know what I'm doing with you know I definitely agree it's their ecosystem right I mean it's the software that it makes it easier and it's the material you can get from them it's the like you said it's kind of the Apple but at the same time if someone who used a Glowforge stepped away for an hour they would be in lightburn going what is happening with my life yeah wait wait you're telling me I don't have to be connected I could do this in my garage you know and just have the computer out there I don't have to have a cloud like yeah it's no fans to Glowforge they're nice lasers yeah yeah and I think they're bringing new new people to the laser community yeah I think that they're bringing an audience that may not necessarily buy a co2 laser that you know they buy it you know it's going to normal homes you know not necessarily people that are ripping things apart all the time and tinkering and things it's just like the the cricket machines you know it's like bringing any kind of CNC machine that all Michael's or something like I think Joe and or I know there's some stores that sell they all they all sell the crickets now yeah yeah and I think there's even some that have Glowforge in it at least through oh wow it's so you know I think that that's a really cool thing bringing new people into it I mean hey maybe it's good for them for me it you know but it's the amount of but I can get three three machines for the same price I get it though I definitely understand like and everyone gives me a hard time with the bamboo thing it's just like that I mean it's like going to something that just works out of the box 99% of the time they're always everything is right now it's not a microwave right it's not gonna work every single time but yeah just going to something like that there's a huge contingent of people that just want that and that brings me to another question my wife has a cricket machine I do too I have a cricket maker I've used it like seven times the thing is awesome it does so much and I just it just sits there I feel so bad for it but my question would be do you guys use or do you use the laser ever to do custom stuff on the guitars because I mean that that I've been waiting to ask so yes for the most part I'll use it for you know I've done some engraving on guitars and custom builds and things like that on more common practice I'll use it for cutting things like shims and things like that if I need a wood shim of certain so I can cut it absolutely perfect to fit into a saddle slot sure out of a veneer which would be pretty hard to cut by hand or you know at least get straight looking so I use it for a lot for cutting that kind of stuff I'm gonna say that the three printer the 3d printers get used more for the guitar stuff than the lasers yeah oh really cutting like routing jigs and yeah creating all sorts of little things to help you know routing jigs on a textured plate I'll print and do back plates so covered plates so it has that look that's sweet custom guitars I need like to go in somewhere to just you know get some weird dimension I've done 3d routing templates that can like attach to backs and necks and just kind of get these impossible routing jobs without a CNC router and even with the CNC router would be a pain but yeah so you know the routing templates being which I've done on the laser as well being able to take something like if you don't have the space for a CNC router being able to take these things from these smaller CNC machines and then being able to use a hand router and basically get the same outcome you know with a little bit of a little bit of elbow grease involved but it's done and I think that's absolutely amazing that is that's super cool I do you make custom guitars like you like from scratch yeah I get the orders every now and then it's you know I'm more of a repair and modify kind of guys so I've been you know that's where I kind of get into laser thing I've been ripping apart guitars and hot rod and them for about 15 years now interesting interesting Kevin Jones oh do you have one to show are you asking guitar laser 3d printer I'm guessing reach it would be a trip to grab yeah there is one if you shoot me a message or something we can shoot you a message but one that we put a redwood top on but oh yeah that's pretty nice on the follow that would be awesome that would be awesome well I think that we got about 10 minutes left in the show I think we should jump into some hot makes let's see what some other people in the community are doing you guys want to hang out for that oh yeah awesome ladies gentlemen let's do some hot makes right so this first one here comes to us from JMT at average Joe Mike and it says my buddy Aaron printed this this is a hashtag stardest model with effects this is awesome by the way there you go yeah this is cool I love that the smoke coming out of there like it's about ready to you know take off it doesn't well let's see I don't think so liquid liquid nitrogen must be expensive because of the tubes that's funny it looks like there is a kit yes it's a part of a kit that comes with electronics says on the kit pages as ultrasonic humidifier oh that makes that won't add any moisture to essential oils in this too nice patchouli rocket the peppermint rocket is ready to take off let's see I'll print it myself and USB-C you animals why would you offer anything else that's not bad 44 bucks and you get the files what do you need for physical material say the ultrasonic humidifier some clear PLA and LED strips blow your vape pen vapor through it right we get a bro you vape so hey look actually I think this might come with it it says what's included digital files physical materials not included so you get the humidifier reservoir LED strip a braided line USB power splitter that kind of thing what's not included black gray or white filament and actually any actual mass to orbit capability I love it that's so cool very cool idea with the humidifier I never I've never would have guessed that actually not my first idea nice work all right what do we have next here Kevin Jones have a great night thank you for being here don't forget to vote in the poll there should be it's being posted and also it's in the description let's see what nights you guys think would be better than send everybody that voted a I voted sticker no but I might post one Abby Brown she's with us how it new post holiday mix T light holders ornaments and T light holder ornaments these are all single extrusion extrusion wow decoration pieces snap into the base models no filament swaps no purge towers no glue no supports so let's let's pop that open and maybe there we go yes she's always doing such so much cool stuff Abby Abby now yes nice these are these are really cool I love the little gingerbread guy too yeah there's ones that hold lights and then there's ones that don't where am I seeing that wrong yep there you go yep I don't think those do yep so that's like regular ornaments that's a really cool idea it's like correct me if I'm wrong Abby this is like hot swappable ornament faces you can you can swap on Christmas Halloween Valentine's Day like whatever you want keep your tree up year round here you go yeah well not to be a done she actually says hey you want to see this one too this is an ornament T light holder so it actually looks like an ornament and it lights up with T lights so there you go now that's super cool too there are three different whole patterns that's what she said that's awesome working safe from voting on hot makes geez I love this idea I I mean just like you guys are talking about with your stuff like come up with stuff that people like start printing it or start modeling it get it out there and now you can print yourself some ornaments throw some T lights in them and that looks really cool definitely more classy than the ornaments I would have 3d printed for the tree yeah I gotta say though I love these little Sal 3d let's see if I can show this close-up maybe see if I can block my face there we go these little trees I printed the keychain version but there's a non-chain version there's a version you can use star in these things are so cute and then you got it and then you have to go with the presence if you've been watching my shorts lately and I mean videos not my actual shorts there's these two and they have little oops they have little feet yeah there you go they have little feet on them and they stand up and they're just the cutest anyways I would say that's probably the classiest Christmas prints there for that I'm printing I besides these I have to print these this is inspire 3d Chris Chris freeze and he sent this he tagged me in this is a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle ornament set is now complete there is a link and you can get yours now check this out yeah dude I immediately think nice I immediately think like bodacious and radical ice or something but I love these I might have to check this out like I said there is no there is a what am I doing jeez almost unfollowed him I thought I was following Titan's revenge that is interesting anyways I'm not sure they look great they did an awesome job let's see as anyone let's go look just because we can't 1990 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle is complete looks like it's on Patreon right now it's like they're kind of coming out white now a little tiny picture yeah they might be pay I think they might be great myself and see how bad I would color it and slice it in colors because otherwise I would just you know my painting is not great all right Pcha homelander bust by Webster printed on the X1 carbon by bamboo lab and seven colors and painted in the bamboo slicer so this is a seven color print here if this is this is a testament to looks like probably running to ams using seven colors check this out hopefully my audio is off good nice that is all printed like that not painted it's so good they print a second model as the purge block yeah no the see oh no okay it's a bamboo it has a poop shoot doesn't it it does but you can actually I didn't see let me go back to where they got like a discard area yeah they the poop shoot in the back purges but there usually is a blog oh yeah yeah there's a purge block back there if there's yeah it's right here yep you can purge into infill if you wanted to and I got so excited to be cool if somebody printed two models in the second one was like they were purging that is cool that is two models but do you see the cool thing about the bamboo machines and what makes them more economical to print because there's a lot of waste when you do multicolor right more economical to print if you print multiple things in the same color or at the same time you know the same colors it doesn't up your purge so if you're gonna do a multicolor print why not print two or three of them if you can yeah yeah they're definitely it was oh there you go infill too that was yeah yeah nice go the video again and go like three second or two seconds back what was that no right where it shows his face go up a little bit a little bit keep going keep going right there that smirk back keep going a little bit that smirk is like the best smirk I've ever seen right so good like ha ha it's totally homelander to come out like this too right yeah but that that's awesome nice work in and thank you for being here I still pics are in the Twitter too oh I must have not seen them let's go look hey what's going on here there we go yeah I mean that this is so clean to let me know do you have to are you running two AMS units that's what I'm guessing you're doing and and could you get run eight colors then and it's so so nice yeah that's fun that's fun to play with is that not crazy it takes a minute to do but it's so cool that you can it's something so easy now it takes the time to paint it and that is the time it is definitely we're extra captured to smirk actually yeah you definitely captured this mark but it takes the time to paint it that is also some some time of your life you'll never get back to paint all this stuff but but I tell you once you get that done it's super easy to do it just takes a long time for AMS total and there's other things for the bamboo setup that's so cool I I have four as well I just have not connected them I should do now I'm hungry yeah all right what else we got here local maker Michigan nice work by the way appreciate web local maker Michigan says hot makes Christmas bundle is beautifully scaled to 45% let's jump in here this is the rocking wreath so it says rocking around the Christmas tree and it looks like a printed wreath and three colors I'm guessing this is layered so three different layers that's awesome yeah it looks awesome looks good nice work all right and last but not least again from local maker Michigan that blue silk from polymaker 3d really looks good this is on a tanner 3d jeep I love these jeeps by the way yeah jeep is that I don't know which one this is jeeps there you go they're on printables that's the rep oh it's the rep ranger okay that this are pretty these are pretty fun he has a whole bunch of different ones okay this is the rep cord one now that I see the R on the front the rep ranger but super fun nice work and I got to say that the links are in the description of the video there's a link for a Google Drive you'll find all of the stuff that we showed and some more and also don't forget to tag us so hit up the Twitter's find stuff that you'd like find that you may that you make that someone else made 3d printing lasers would paint I don't care what it is hashtag that with hot makes and you know let's get some more of those coming in I think this week we're a little short we I mean we were short I say short there was probably around 20 but that's short for a week so don't forget to hashtag a hot makes I know we can't show them all sometimes but we love at least getting them all in the link so everyone can see them if they go back Geary do we have a like a random quick tally tally yeah so currently the most votes are for Monday's I told you the bots man so many trolling we got so we haven't set up where you can only vote once per IP address but you can vote for multiple days if you want so we have 38 votes 27 participants 18 of those are for Mondays nice so for Sundays 5 or for Wednesday 3 or for Tuesday and 3 or for Thursdays interesting all right well we're gonna keep that open for a while we're gonna hit it with the social media's as well I'm gonna go ahead leave that open until Monday doesn't win and then I'm gonna close it immediately definitely all right well we I know we're a little bit over and I got I have to go in a few minutes I have a actually a meeting at 715 but before I go real quick one more time who you guys what do you do and where can we find your stuff that's that's the most important thing King guppy buck Brett it was awesome being on the show Jim thanks for everything over the years man and you can find us on Instagram King guppy dot designs find us on YouTube I don't know the handle but just look up King guppy designs and then King guppy comm is where you can find all the products that we have we're on some of the other platforms eBay and that's he but they kind of limit us to what we can offer so you can't get like enclosures and pumps and other things like that on there so if you want our full catalog it's on King guppy comm but we loved being here man it was really fun thanks awesome well I appreciate you guys coming on and I can't wait to check out some new stuff that we have coming which is cool and anybody out there if you have lasers check out King guppy comm and you know check out some stuff they have some really good packages of stuff too we might do maybe we'll do like a Christmas thing like a edge of tech Christmas package I don't know we'll talk we'll talk I'll be a lot of fun but and and if anyone's watching tonight and wants something maybe I'll talk to these guys after may well come up with something fun for you guys too but I appreciated everybody thank you guys so much for being here again episode 127 of hot makes and we're we're here every Monday currently at 6 p.m. Central forever until eternity forever we will have any everybody comment down in the in the comments what you want as a giveaway and we'll have Jim give it away there you go there you go so shoot it off and after in the comments of the video not the live chat when the video goes live comment in the comments section and if you want to see something given away on their shop they said they would give it away so we'll do that maybe we'll do a giveaway next week or the week after right before Christmas yeah let's let's talk about that yeah that sounds good I gotta fly everybody I gotta get to a meeting thank you guys all for being here you guys hang out we'll be right back with you everybody else we will see you next week have a great week and see you guys later see you later everybody yeah offset maker lab thank you so much for becoming a new member of my channel I appreciate that man