 Thank you very much. We do have some time for questions. I wonder if I could ask all three of our speakers to come to the table at the front That might make it easier to have the conversation back and forth So I'd like to open this the floor now. Does anyone have any questions and I'll wander around with the mic so you can be heard on the recording Okay, so I'll go here So I guess perhaps more for comment for Maria When you put your slide about the incentives that governments have I think you should perhaps think about putting also Having access to financial markets are improving the credit rating That's with a whole doing business reports and things like this that that tends to be a big sort of carrot to be done for investors who want to feel they have clear rules of the game and what and what's out there that that's that's a big motivation I Think one of the examples to hear so what in bullet two about what happens when you? Open it up in non-democratic regimes. I think was very interesting I think was last year the case in Iran where they open up and Having people have access to the budget numbers and seeing how much money was being transferred to two certain groups That was steered off a very significant sort of social revolt So I think that that's an interesting sort of case that happened For Alvaro Tremendous presentation so for the So for example that type of platform I think it's an incredibly Interesting it's being done. I think some places for a specific project for example I think in Mexico they have for for big works like the airport where they're having the same thing of putting all the Contracting how it's done. So you said it was built in a civic tech approach So let's say the coding for that for the platform and it's available for to be replicated if if wanted to Or to engage with that group if we wanted to replicate it some worlds in the in the region or an oath in the world Is that a possibility? It's about to be releasing open code. Yes I had a question for Alvaro, which was um, I have had some involvement with the open government partnership And I understand that when I say this is one of the subnational pilots for the open government partnership I'd be interested to know because I'm just interested in general to Understand the theory of change of the open government partnership and how does it actually work to support? The values that that underpin the ogp in practice in particular places in communities So I'd be interested to know at what point in the development of of your work Did the was that status acquired of being a subnational pilot of the ogp and what difference has it made has it made a Difference do you think and in what sense has it made a difference just to kind of help us understand what? That status could bring to the potential for more open government at the level of cities or regions in the world I think I was going to ask the same question. I've been a different way. No, I mean Alvaro very interesting presentation and thank you My question is really about the link between transparency and accountability and you show obviously You know fascinating and very user-friendly way of accessing that data, but I just wonder In terms of the accountability aspect What is it thrown up in terms of the the public works that are happening too slowly too? Expensively just not being done very well at all And if that is showing differences between the approaches from different ministries for example How is that being dealt with and how can the public then see that the information that they have Been given actually leads to changes in the future about how these these programs are eventually done I think it links also to what Maria was saying. I mean and the question of you know open washing one reason Maybe why data sets have published is that Transparency and accountability not the same thing and the transparency obviates the needs to be accountable as for the question on ogp we We enter ogp and I think it was January or February 2016 and we started Working on the on the platform a couple of months later and in general For us, you know being part of ogp it's it's it's It was a big hub. It gave us an International sounding board an international source of legitimacy for our work, you know most of my previous life was in civil society and And I joined the government two years ago and Promoting transparency and accounting accountability projects. We even you are Even even being member of the government is not an easy task It's very hard to find the allies within the government to have to find transparency champions And it's not because they don't you know politicians don't care. I mean they have other priorities They want to to to appear on the newspapers, you know opening a new school or a new hospital. So That international support and recognition that provides ogp for us. It was very important Not not so much for the the commitments that are in the action plan in the formal ogp's action plan But for all our are all our remaining initiatives Sorry for my English. I had an overnight flight from Argentina 12 hours. I didn't sleep at all So I'm amazing still talking But yeah, we launch other projects that are not Inside the ogp action plan that are more ambitious than the commitments that we have We have a project called the open Olympic Games We are hosting the the youth Olympic Games in October and for the very first time an Olympic game or That together with the world soccer World Cup the football World Cups are the most Amazing and large sports events and usually accused of you know misappropriation of funds, etc We will have we will use open government tools to generate trust in the community About the decision-making in terms of money and what will be the legacy of those tools we we also Being part of ogp help us to open all the other projects, you know, not only the public world Projects we have another platform which is an an unopened It's a window to the management city a Management system of the city so you now you can have access to all the projects in the in the city of Buenos Aires so being part of ogp was instrumental to to to achieve by you know to To achieve other projects and and as for your question in terms of the information I Think you have you have a terrific point and we are hoping we are doing our best in terms of putting the information out there Now we are expecting that a public dialogue will be a public discussion will be generated among you know The government civil society the media in our case the media is key for triggering those discussions to taking you know the data set and Doing a really deep analysis of what information are we sharing how much are we paying for what we buy? In this process we also open all our procurement system So now everybody can access you know to the information on how much we are paying for tables for you know mattresses for hospitals so that kind of Information is out there and there is still probably We need a bit more of a push from CV tech organizations. You're society in the media in terms of using that information I Say that as a former civil society Member as a politician now, you know sometimes politicians are afraid of these dialogues But well, this is this is the side effect of opening information Another question over here Hola. Hello Thank you for these presentations especially the last one made me think a lot about Once you have incentives how people start working around them and manipulating nice one to know if there are any thoughts on Can I trust the data sets that are being published? Okay, we publish them. We have them online people are using them now. Can I trust the data there? Are we measuring that? That's that's a hard question. I mean and That's also my question and Unfortunately, that's something I'm researching. But yeah, that's my question so for instance those data that have been published in Moldova very quickly just you know with a Obviously, I mean, I don't know but like it sounds from the least from the evidence From the research those Israeli political scientists did that they really just release it before the visit of the World Bank. So Yes, the question it's a good question. I mean is the data reliable, but That's I guess that's a rather question for you I mean Well, it's a question answer I'm sleeping in the government To that to you do you need a little bit to change it now No, I usually You find Agencies that are reluctant to open information and you have to explain them why it's part, you know Why it should be open for example in the case of Buenos Aires, we're right We are ranking very high in the open data CD index of Argentina and we want to go higher So we need to open for some of the procurement information and Then what we do have is pressure from civil society from civic tech organizations that that tell us that platform It's great. Do you have the data set for that? What is it going to be online and they keep you know asking for that information? but Yeah, that would be okay one more question for that room Yeah, so this is Eric from Govix and one more for Alvaro to keep him awake before you can go take a nap after this But I have two questions So one is I think it's a really great portal and I know Alvaro just so that you all know I'm curious how often the information is updated and how frequently you are going to be able to collect that information across All the ministries and second is there any Thinking as you all go go forward with interplay with in-person non online Ways of engaging for example We did some interesting work with the place in Tunisia where you can publish all the same data But actually what you just need is a sign at the site that tells you all the same information So I'm curious if you have experimented with kind of using the online format But also any offline ways of engaging people around this information Thank you. Yeah, we're working with the chief of cabinet office and we updated every three months But the main chunk of the information of the update information is at the beginning of the year when they you know When the plan the planning is conducted. So you have all the new projects Sometimes they are like very important projects that we are not allowed to upload them because they are used as a political, you know Development they wanted to keep it secret until a particular time And Then no we're not doing that. That's a great idea to to to provide information on site to the citizens to the neighbors because there are many Areas of the city that were the access to internet is is lower than in other. So that's a great idea. We'll think about it Thank you. I can't work it with you Do we have any more questions I realize that we are close to the time we go to the drinks reception, but Well, I'd like if everyone could just please join me in thanking again all I speak of some really wonderful fascinating talks Appreciate it