 RCR with Paul Brennan, Reality Check Radio. All right, it's Friday morning. Time for our political panel here at Reality Check Radio. And I want to welcome to the panel Cam Slater, Marty Gibson and Olivia Pearson. Hi, guys. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. OK, so we're not going to get that time back from last night, are we? We're not going to get that back. What a dreadful, dreadful spectacle that we were suffered. I mean, I don't even know why they bothered to have Rauri Waititi there. I mean, at least it's just for sheer mirth at watching this buffoon with tortoiseshell glasses and a cowboy hat and some enormous piece of ponamu around his neck. Oh, and let's not forget to mention the facial additions. And then, of course, prominent feature. We had the other end. It's the least of his problems. But the one he wants everyone to see the most. Well, yeah. And at the other end of the four of them was James Shaw, who has to be the dopiest, wettest bloke known to man. I'm not even sure bloke could be used. He's just so hand-ringly pathetic. Does he stand in his own puddle, Cam? I think it's waist-deep. But here's the thing. He spent virtually the whole time banging on about how we need more Green Ministers. Has this fool not seen the polls? I mean, honestly, there's not going to be any Green Ministers after the election. None at all. He's going to have the largest caucus ever. It'll last one term. And then Labour will take all of those votes back from all the people who have been disillusioned with Labour and thought they were going to elect a Green Government. Well, it's never going to happen. Also, Labour won't be finished forever. Well, I don't think they will. Well, James banging that drum about the coalition between Labour and National and the Greens pretty hard. He's been listening to us, mate. Yeah. He's done it. That's not the first time I've banged it real hard in that softball interview did after on Sunday Q&A. Became a great big hug. In fact, I thought he nearly was going to slip his tongue in. Glad that didn't happen. People having their breakfast. People are eating their breakfast right now. You've got to. Could be worse. We could be able to flash up pictures of Jacinda Ardern while they eat breakfast. Oh, OK. You're in fine form this morning, Cameron. Of course. Was there any point in even having this thing? Because I mean, I didn't watch all of it. But it seemed to me that it wasn't really a debate. Well, they tried. But the whole I thought all of them were rather lackluster. Well, none of them had any time to answer any questions. Like, hurry up, hurry up, hurry up. And it's always there. Well, they got cut off quite a lot, didn't they? And by Jack Tame. By Jack Tame. Yeah. No, he did. He overrode. But anyway, I mean, all they all tend to do that. It seems to be a fashion. But even Winston, I thought was rather lackluster in that debate. But he said a few things which were rather good. But he knocked it out of the Winston did knock it out of the park on on a couple of things. Climate change is the only person who said, well, this is bull. You know, we shouldn't be beggaring our country to try and be the world leaders at this climate thing. You know, it's pointless. James Shaw tried to retort on that. Well, you know, we didn't beat the Nazis by, you know, I thought that I thought that was a very inappropriate comparison. So did I. I mean, just talking about the Nazis, so disrespectful to human life. Yeah, all women greens always are. They want less human life. I mean, when they say they want to run less carbon, they're talking about you. Yeah, they are. But can I got to say that? That wasn't Winston knocking that out of the park. I mean, it was given the field was so pathetic. I know that's that's where, you know, because I mean, he didn't he didn't fight against the whole idea of emissions trading because that's nonsense from from go to war. But he did say that, yeah, we didn't want to bigger our economies to go down that road. But we already have started doing that clearly. It was it was good that he put a figure on it. You know, he sort of said it's we're going to take 50 to 60 billion out of our economy. I mean, some government reports have said 70 billion. And, you know, the obvious point that could have been knocked out of the park is that's, you know, 20 to 30 times the total treaty settlements. Now, if I was a Māori and I've been told, you know, they can only afford cents on the dollar, you know, to recompense injustice, you know, but they can't afford to borrow that much money and shoot it overseas to we can't afford building coal. Actually, we can't afford it. The other the other thing that Winston said that that really hit home, particularly for our audience, is the is the full scale inquiry wants to have into the COVID shenanigans. That was his best moment. Yeah, but it was only a small duration wise a few seconds. Oh, yeah, it was near the end of the story. It's the biggest thing. You know, some of my buddies came up with an idea on the show last night that, you know, we're spending all this money on climate change, but we don't want to compensate. Vaccine injured people. Why don't we just say if a vaccine injury is nonexistent? Well, why don't we use the money we're going to spend on climate change to fund the very few people who are vaccine injured and watch their eyes go wide open when they suddenly realize, well, actually, that's a whole lot of money. But it's equally as equally facetious to spend money on climate change because, you know, you're making a force between one made up thing and one real thing. And climate change is made up. Vaccine injury is real. So let's spend the money that we're going to spend on climate change. Why not just come out and say that? I think Olivia made that point before he was sort of weak on it. Just come out and say it's BS, mate. Sorry. As soon as anyone will say that again, their their votes will just soar because most people feel that way that it's not. He can't wing it. Hey, that's a big mistake. If Winston thinks he thinks he can wing it on the way, that's dumb. He's got to think out everything he says, right? Is that right? Well, I mean, he's used to a different landscape, I think. Now it's not the time to wing it. He's dipping his toe in this water. Yeah. Yeah. And that's right. But when they when they're moving, when you get politicians moving, you can get them to change when they're in transition and sought and, you know, cemented to their position, like James Shaw is and like Rauri Waititi cemented to a racist position, that Maori are a superior race from all others. And we all have to submit to their kind of democracy, which is no democracy at all. You can't reason with those people because they're so stuck where they are. He's somebody like Winston. I mean, he's he's acknowledged he did some things wrong. He's apologized to things before. He's moved on a whole lot of policies that he previously was in on. He's actually willing to listen to alternative ideas and then gather the evidence for that. Those other guys, they're not interested in that at all. And they're so doctrinaire and Seymour was pretty much the same as well. He thinks that their economic solution is the only way, you know, but none of it's been proven anywhere in the world. But he's absolutely adamant that the Act Party is the solutions for everything and they're not. Well, what about Waititi going on at the end about social theory? We've got people that do social theory and we don't use words like and he pointed at Winston and said. Separatism, apartheid, you know, racist. Yeah, yeah, well, no, but that's because you've only got one answer for everything. He said, subhuman. He said, subhuman. Yes, you're right. I mean, that's like saying genocide. You know, the trans people say, what subhumans said that? Yeah, what Waititi speaks to the worst impulses of people blaming, you know, other races for all their problems, bitterness, covetousness, distrust and, you know, the tragedy is like socialism, generally, really, that the the opportunistic building of support that way feeds those human frailties and it blocks improvement and cooperation. Yeah, presumably he's giving up half his what 200 K salary to help the in the court. You know what's interesting, Marty? What you're just saying there is that Rowery Waititi looks at Winston Peters and David Seymour, and he sees white people. He doesn't see Maori, right? He actually he actually said something like that to Winston. He did. I heard him. Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. It was so rude and so racist. Yeah, I'm proud of my heritage, unlike some other people on this stage. Was it that comment? And he keeps saying, my people, my people. Yeah, my people, my people, not your people. We said to Winston, you know, your people are race baiting. Yeah. Yeah. Winston Peters is a Maori. I know that. But they don't. Yeah. They're the ones who dog whistle. How come he got the most applause then? Well, obviously, I had a whole lot of white liberals in the audience. Well, Jason Walls was there as all the media were there. You know, lap, lap dogs, loving it. You know, Raweri Waititi is just a useful idiot. And they just cheer him on because, you know, they're all woke. And they think it's wonderful. What did you see? I mean, when they were talking about, you know, we've got to act on climate change. And then they just talked to all these dopey traumatized women who are at some climate rally. Yeah. Oh, we're going to boil. But what about what about the co-governance before they hit that one? They ran a whole lot of people in the street, which all happened to be Maori, who all said the same thing as all, it'll be better for us, bro, if we're in charge. That's exactly what I said. And then I wonder if it's even any point in having this damn thing, you know? Well, it was no point having James Shore and Raweri Waititi there. They're not going to be in government. They're not going to even have a chance to implement any of the policy. You know, it would have been far better just to have Winston and David Seawall have a right old Donnybrook. And I think we would have enjoyed that a whole lot more. Yeah. It would have been far more enjoyable. Well, when I see a guy like Waititi on the stage. Well, I mean, when James Shore sort of stood at the outset, well, this is what you're going to get when Winston Peters and David Seawall were scrapping and you could see them both thinking, oh, he's got a point. You know, not. What was what was interesting, too, is that Raweri Waititi, he didn't have any notes. He just had a cell phone on the on the desk there. Probably being texted racist lines to use from John Tamahiri after he's finished, you know, having eggs splattered all over his face by the police telling everybody that the break into the house of their candidates, not at all to do with race. You know, it's a surprise. He doesn't need any notes, they came because he's got no arguments. Well, it was an empty vessel, as my grandfather would have said. Yeah, totally. Winston rather sneakily had a black folder which made it look like he didn't have any notes. And there was David Seawall and James Shore with acres of paper. And I'm surprised nobody said to James Shore, why don't you think of the trees? Well, when when when I see a guy like Waititi standing on a stage as a political party leader in 2023, all I see is a concrete example of 100 years of cultural Marxism come to fruition. He just needs to clown shoes now, doesn't he? Well, you know, when he said at the outset what he thought government should be and he said it should feed you, love you, help you and care for you. I could hear that. You are your brother's keeper. I could hear the unicorns farting rainbows when he said that. And is saying that they should establish Maori supermarkets. What are they going to call it? Ewey Mart. I missed that one. Well, I thought the funniest thing was right at the start when Jack James, he asked about, you know, should you should you be able to get away with lying and politics? And James Shore said, without a shred of humility. Oh, yes, I think integrity is very important. What about those qualifications? Yeah, tell us about your CV, James. Yeah, you fight to agree. Disappear, didn't it? Just sank without trace. Did you notice, though, that Waititi actually admitted that the country wasn't settled by colonialists by force, but by consent? Yeah, he actually said that out loud. I remember thinking, well, excellent, we've got no debate then. But he used those words that it wasn't by force, it was by consent. Well, he insisted it was, you know, that Maori were indigenous, which sort of begs the question, well, were they indigenous? When James Shore got got here, sorry, Captain Cook got here. And if so, am I indigenous in 200 years? Well, the other thing, too, is he didn't, after he claimed that they were indigenous, then went on to tell us about what great explorers the Maori were to discover New Zealand. So what is it? Are you great explorers and discoverers and fantastic navigators who never could get home who remember the canoe you came here on? Yeah, or are you indigenous and you were here from the start? It's really important in, you know, slapping around Waititi that, you know, he doesn't. We don't allow him to conflate that with getting it all Maori. You know, he is a clown. We're not the audience, though. He is dog whistle. But to his audience, he's probably saying all the right things. Yeah, that's the dog whistle. And, you know, we've been accused of of overly endorsing a party who's top three or four perspective. Top three, at least. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, I think, though, I mean, you know, TV one poll the other night said that the Maori Party was going to have three seats, and it's all predicated on Rauri Waititi winning a seat. Now, I've been talking to a few people down that way. And it's, you know, it's by no means certain that he's going to win his seat. So we actually could see the Maori Party bundled out of parliament, which would be a good thing. Well, I think a lot of people in Rotorua have have suffered from their motels being emptied of tourists and filled with bloodshed. Well, yeah. Well, yeah, in any case, I've talked to the local people and that's what they told us. Yeah. So I think that'll play against him as he's coming up with this kumbaya, Marxist. Anything more to say about Maori? I know Rauri Waititi said we can solve climate change with indigenous science. Yeah. Yeah, we said that. That's what he said. With the rolling log. I wonder if indigenous science goes at the same speed as science. Well, this is the same indigenous science that didn't have a wheel. Yeah, the rolling log, that's what. Yeah, yeah, they didn't even have that. Stone Age science. Yeah, they couldn't boil water because they didn't have pots. They could put hot stones in them. I've seen someone correct that. They didn't have chimneys. But yeah, again, I mean, they had knowledge. They got here. That was quite a feat. Yeah, that's quite a feat. They got here and they did it. They repeated the journey over and over. So that's they navigated. They built a craft that could do that. So that's something. So I mean, we were burning witches back around that time as well. And I guess the point is we don't. 1765. No, no. When was I was the when was the counter affirmation, reformation, 16th century. Yeah, this is this is Olivia's wheelhouse, mate, you're on a hiding. Well, no, no, I just I mean, when it wasn't that special subject, great representative of the Enlightenment and a stellar representative of how how good the Enlightenment was. And and no, no, they were very civilized back then, the colonials. And and that was made evident by, you know, the missionary class that came here, the missionary, the missionaries who bothered to write down and try and try and write down and record and for posterity, their language, I guess. How was the colonialists that did that? There's plenty of things that we've done in the past that we probably, you know, wouldn't endorse now in the same way I'm not going to do this. I'm just I'm not going to do this searching my own culture for faults in order to excuse the most heinous faults and a bunch of people that were still committing cannibalism when our people got here and now want to take over this whole political system and loot it. I'm not going to do it. Well, it's the backward looking thing that I think is as it fought more than modern. You know what happens if you drive around looking in your review mirror? Well, yeah, I mean, no, people are perfect. We're all here now and and I just want people to behave themselves. But it seems like we're asking for something really hard, which is one law for all, one system for all. And yet it's not. That is actually a system that the European government's and culture was built on and still holds true today. And it's the best system. And and we should be proud of our father. I know we've got it here. We need to have our Maori forms of democracy. Cesarawuri, Waititi, whatever that is, you don't even get a say because you're higher up on the intersectional scale. You're the Tohunga class. Intersection, what privileged? So you don't even get a say because you're higher up on the intersectional scale. Don't do that language, either. You see, there has to be something else we can talk about that debate. I'm just going to say, are we over? Are we over this poor excuse for a debate? Definitely. Can we move on from there? It was very irritating and we're all ornery about it. It was unedifying. And do you think it swung anyone, though? I wouldn't be surprised if Seymour got a bump in the polls from actually having some arguments that were at least, you know, I think David Seymour might have picked up a few. I think Winston might have picked up a few as well on the climate change and the co-governance stuff. Can we just quickly touch on polls because I see, again, the same trajectories are like continuing. So Axe lost a bit more from what I can see. Correct me if I'm wrong. New Zealand first picked up a little bit more. I think the Nats have bumped up slightly. You know, it's not over till it's over. So yeah, two poll and hipkins and neck and neck for preferred PM. I don't know. I can never work out how that works. No, it's rubbish. I mean, but New Zealand is still at one percent. And and freedoms New Zealand, I think they're on one percent. And so those two million voters that Liz Gunn keeps talking about seem to be hiding somewhere. I mean, you know, she's still they're still gunning for the party vote despite having two list MPs and polling at one percent, which, you know, I have to say, just now looks very odd. Given the administrative error that they made with the list candidates, I felt sorry for Liz when it happened. But I'm not so much feeling much sorry, very sorry for her. Now after, you know, she's blamed the Electoral Commission. And when she went on Rodney Hyde's interview only a few days before that happened and said how good the Electoral Commission had actually been to deal with. So, I mean, I'm seeing some very strange things like, for instance, a classic case in point is the Facebook New Zealand loyal support are going by the name of No Way, W-H-E-Y, posted on John Ansel's page. Break the corrupt system. The people of New Zealand need to stand up and mass and break the system under the situation that New Zealand loyal now has a big party vote for New New Zealand loyal breaks the system. There will be a national scandal if there are a load of empty, unallocated seats in Parliament representing all those people of New Zealand who gave the Democratic votes to those two million votes. Those two million votes. So again, vote party, party vote New Zealand loyal and break the system. How can you get off of that sort of tangent? This is the thing that she's doing. She's like, I wish I had a personality disorder. But I mean, I saw her in a public meeting who was posted on the NZ loyal website. She slagged off reality check radio. She slagged off a couple of the hosts, saying that we weren't giving them a. She didn't name them, but she slagged us off as saying that, you know, that we're running a Psyop. We're doing it. So they're talking about me, mainly. The other morning I said I was sort of a fan of hers. I mean, hell, I know. But here's the thing, right? What she doesn't say is the number of times that we tried to get her on the station, right? And she was insistent only wanting to talk to one host and she didn't get what she wanted, but she did get on the station eventually. And then all the wheels fell off. And now we've got this crazy situation where she's out there telling everybody to go and get affidavits that show you're going to vote for NZ loyal. So we now vote and come in and the machines have tallied us up incorrectly because they're going to steal the vote from us. This is crazy stuff that she's talking about, right? And she's talking about there's being two million votes out there and will everyone party vote for this? And then we'll have all of those almost half the population of the country. Is that they've only got two people on their list? Right. Two million people even vote in this country. I know. But that's what she thinks. And then if they say they got two million votes, that's 48 list seats would go straight to NZ loyal. And that's what she's claiming, right? That this is the health of much of a fantasist she is that she's claiming they're going to get these 48 list seats, which then will be unallocated because they've only got two on their list. They'll be vacant a little bit like that's going to break the system camp. And people will see the glaring absence of people sitting in those seats. Yeah, it's they want to break the system by participating in the system. OK. Yeah. Are we going to break the system by suing the Electoral Commission? That's what she announced yesterday that she's going to be suing the Electoral Commission because they should have helped. It's crazy stuff. I'm literally overhearing about NZ loyal. And how did anyone hear Gary Moller talking on our program? Oh, no, I'd like to, though. When he said, OK, get real, guys, I love you in the freedom parties. But we're in the crap. And if we don't do something the right thing this time, we are finished. That's what he said. Well, I like to plenty of policies that both they, democracy, New Zealand, the umbrella party has that are fine. But we're two weeks out from the election. I know this. It's time to get real. And I just like to do a little spiel on this because it's one of the things that just keeps coming back to me, being part of the freedom movement, being associated with different groups and and, you know, having arguments fired at me all the time. I'm aware of how they think many of them are voices for freedom groups as well. And this this sentiment about breaking the system, this lingo they're using, the trouble with speaking like that about our system, which when you're talking about a system, it needs a much broader definition anyway. But because we all because we all benefit from it in some way, it was set up by realistic conservatives who value heritage, family, traditions, guts and self-reliance, all good things. But the radical left have infected all the institutions through the long march, through the culture, and, you know, that's just at its zenith now, which is woke culture and behold, the human deformity that that it is. But the pushback against globalism, which is the major artery pumping out all things woke into the institutions. The resistance to it has gathered such a massive momentum in a way that has been heartening to witness for all of us. Large freedom awakenings are now in play in every country in the world. But the systems are already broken, but not entirely. We don't need to break them anymore. So I don't respect that kind of talk, especially from people who have been politically catatonic for the last 40 years, which my generation, Generation X has been. And also another reason I don't respect it, this kind of break the system talk, burn it down kind of sentiment, even though I sympathize with the I sympathize with the rebellious sentiment. I don't respect it because in their apathy, our fellow citizens didn't pay attention and effect. They let the radical left take charge of the people and then they kept on voting for those same things without much challenge. You know, and before you know it, the centre right has moved over to the centre left and the Hoopleheads didn't give much of a stuff unless it interferes with their gas bill mentality. And now we're all going to be affected by higher gas bills. But you know, a lot of the freedom movement were voting Labour and voting the Greens all this time, right, which are the great bastions of wokeness, which means bastions of Marxism, you know, pseudo Marxism, neo Marxism, libertarian Marxism, classical Marxism, Marxist humanism, whatever the strand of Marxism is that speciality. Reconstructionism. Yeah. Fraged shrimp, baked shrimp, saute shrimp. But, you know, basically it's a malignant cancer and it has Marxism has always been the death of a longstanding culture. If you don't restrain it. So so now the last three years has politically suddenly gotten everybody's attention big time, right, and Covid was a godsend in a way because it sent an adrenaline shot to the heart of our populations who saw the respect that Marxism actually has for good people, which is none. So, you know, you've got to start with reclaiming our institutions, not blowing them up, not breaking them even further. You've got to reclaim them, you know, they're the precious institutions of a longstanding democracy. And maybe we should count our blessings that the radical wokies prematurely climaxed and showed the covetous, dehumanised grotesqueries that they are before it got to the bloody guillotine. You know, because that's what they're capable of. Yeah. Once the once the the masks came off, once the masks went on. Well, I think about it once, you know, you could really see who's who at the zoo. Once you could start calling people, calling the police to report on your neighbor. And I remember reading or hearing an interview with a police officer who had resigned when this huge flood of calls came in with people reporting their neighbors for having visitors from the visits from the kids and things like that. Oh, it's just horrendous, Marty. But but also what we showed is that we can build a freedom camp we can organize splendidly. We can endure cyclones and government siops. You know, we can sing, dance and hang out at a mini woodstock. And that became a crusade and a great one at that. But we need to sharpen up mightily to be a political force that reclaims our institutions from a nationalist point of view. And that takes a completely different set of skills to be a proper political reckoning, you know, and that's where Liz Gunn. New Zealand loyal and all those parties have fallen over. You don't you you're not a crusader and then just transfer that skill set to politics and expect to be some successful. Hey, Cam, exactly 100 percent. OK, I reckon this fits quite well with on the end of that. And maybe we're jumping around a bit here on the order. But I had Guy Hatchard on yesterday morning and he's coming on again a bit later this morning to talk more about this. This is the 11000 exemptions for senior med stuff. It looks like it's a worst case scenario scandal here revealed by OIA. These people somehow remarkably signed off by, you know, you know, the names that we know exempted while, I guess, being part of the the complex, putting out those persuasion, that persuasion propaganda, that coercion. This surely it must have some effect before an election, because this does feel like some epic scandal, doesn't it? It'd be it'd be nice if it could have an effect before an election, Paul. But I'm not sure that it's widespread news because it wasn't mentioned in that debate. It's to me, that's one of the biggest stories in the land right now. Yeah, but it's sank with James's James Shaw's fictional B.A. You know, just and me was hidden barometric data indicating that we're getting fewer storms these days. I've met people who are in a terrible way because of this and have lost people and it's heartbreaking. And I've seen the list of over 700 and these people got exemptions. Yeah, shocking. I mean, really, this just goes this goes to way. You did the all blacks. No, they would have been exempt. I guarantee it. Yeah, that's why we need the covid inquiry. You wouldn't risk running out on the field and doing that level. Peter McCullough will tell you. Yeah, yeah. OK. All right, we need that inquiry. We don't have much to say about that. Well, so long as these things can come out in a proper inquiry as to how that happened. I mean, I'm glad that people actually got exemptions, but it seems to be on the sly and it seems to be sneaky. And the cowardice involved in it, whilst they mandated people lower than them in the same medical professions. I mean, that's just the ones who were at the at the front line. And also these people were able to pass into restaurants and travel to the United States. I mean, I know plenty of high rank, you know, senior surgeon and theater nurses who were vital to the system, who tried to get exemptions and didn't. So you'd have to ask how how transparent the process for granting them was. And how come Ashley Bloomfield signing those off? Because we presume it was him or Christopher Hipkins. And yet refusing exemptions for people had already been damaged by the first. Yeah, yeah, my my myocarditis been one of those major injuries. And still I have a how can you live with yourself? How can you sleep at night? I mean, there are a few pinch points like that. The fact that they knew that there was a risk of myocarditis, if you know that and you're acting ethically in as much as you can, if you're mandating the bloody thing, you know, if you know that it's a possibility, you look for signs of it and you ensure that people get timely treatment for it rather than saying it's all in their head or they're depressed. Yeah, or they're anxious. But they knew that was a lie. Otherwise, these people wouldn't have been at the Pandora's box. That's why they've circled the wagons. That's why they're not letting any of this come out. And that's probably why Winston Peters is somewhat cautious about it, even though it's obvious that it should be a point. He probably does know that if he pokes the wasp nest too hard, they're going to really. I get that. But there was no mention of it from the debate host, even though this area is still the biggest issue in the frig. I know what happens. You're in Utopiaville. No, no, I'm not. It's like I said to my dad, but he says, oh, they could find out whether it was long COVID or the jab. They just need to, you know, work out with the people suffering. Have you got the jab? And I was like, we're sad. I mean, he's an XGP or sad. I'm it's quaint that you're still talking about this as a public health issue rather than a globalist, totalitarian depopulations. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I know what you mean, Paul. It would have been nice to have heard somebody mentioned such an important OIA on on on a debate like that. Or even just the question about the free world for vaccine. Jack Tame, he knows someone who's been injured. I know about 10 people. Jack Tame would be the sort of person that would say it was all in his head. Crikey. All right. Now, this is interesting. And I've seen a few of these things today, and that is the Taxpayers Union. And I think maybe does that include the Free Speech Union and they're kind of pushing back against Winston and and the question of free speech. And I kind of wonder why that's that's happening. Yeah. An email drop into my into my inbox from the Taxpayers Union. It's absolutely outrageous what they're saying. I mean, this is this is the sorts of things that they're saying. You know, I can't go into detail, but I've seen other confidential polling that suggests that things are getting even worse underlined for the center right and Christopher Luxon with Winston Peters in an even stronger position. I mean, this is the Taxpayers Union and their they're emailing people, their supporters, to say that that this is bad for the center right. I mean, as if national center right anyway, I mean, they seem to left. Yeah. But but claiming that this is bad because Winston Peters is in an even stronger position. They have no respect for democracy. Or free speech. Then then they go on to say Winston Peters has said he won't go with labor this time. But he surprised us all before when he chose to cinder our doing labor. I'm not that old thing again, despite saying before the election, he would go with the highest polling. But these guys take drugs. He is then they've embold highlighted. This means the result of this year's election is far from certain. What a load of. What do you mean, certain? It's certain. Give me certain, Mummy. Give me absolutely certain labor are going to get rinsed. It's absolutely certain that they won't have enough with the Greens in the Māori Party to perform a government. That is certain. What this is, is the Taxpayers Union, who pretend that they're this vast organization, they're actually an AstroTurf organization that is a lock for the act party. What does AstroTurf mean again in this country? It's fake grass. So they say they're a grassroots organization, but it's faker than fake. And I know how fake it is because I was at the foundation meeting that was held in Puhoi that formed the Taxpayers Union. Right. So I was there when they were planning it. So I can tell you exactly how they operate because I was there in the planning of the formation of the Taxpayers Union. Is there any crossover to the Free Speech Union? They all use the same nation builder, right? It's all on the same account and it's all run by Jordan Williams, right? And that also includes the little lobby group that's in Auckland for the Ratepayers' Alliance in Auckland. It's all part of the same group, the Free Speech Union, the Taxpayers' Union and the Ratepayers' Alliance in Auckland, all operated by the same people. It's the same people that are in the office that are writing these emails. It's the same people that are pushing this out. Yeah, don't get me wrong. They're successful in getting stuff into the news, but we should be under no mistake that they are very closely aligned with the ACT Party. I mean, some of their senior staff are former ACT Party staffers. OK. I've always seen them as a bit of an extension of the ACT Party. Well, they are. I mean, this has just proved it. I mean, the polls. And I would mind if they if they stood up for free speech every time. Well, they don't. They never stood up for my free speech when I was being surveilled by the police. They, you know, they sent me this shabby email from their lawyer, lawyer to rent that they use all the time. You said, oh, if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear. And I thought, what? Well, they say that. OK. That's that's exactly what what what Stephen Frank sent me in an email. And don't they don't know nothing to fear? Yeah, that's a terrible response camp, terrible. But also they're quite supportive of Chinese reading to kids in libraries and things like that. They think that's a free speech issue. And that's just Pollux right there. What they really should say is that they're the free speech union for left wing academics, because that's all they stand up for. OK, before we get to talk about what's been happening in the US, there's one more thing that I note here on our list, and that is Winston and comments around the conscience vote. I heard him say that. I thought it was quite interesting. Yeah, I'd like to know what Cam thinks about that. I I tend to think it's on the right track, given the fact that list MPs are not accountable to any electorate, nor do they need any consultation with their communities. I think New Zealand first policy is probably essentially more democratic over these kinds of cultural conscience matters like euthanasia, abortion. We know we can't rely on their consciences. We know that they've proved that. They don't have consciences. So why give them give them that list MPs are a creature of the party. Yeah, it's a collective party vote. So when MP was being first mooted, my father went to Germany on a fact-finding mission for the National Party to see how they could work. That's who penetrates the cabinet. The penetrates, OK, but he was over there and he came back and he said, we don't want this. This is really bad. What happens is everyone thinks that you through your votes, you're going to have this motherhood and apple pie, holistic view that everyone's going to work together and it's all going to work fabulously. Right. And it doesn't work like that because the parties end up more powerful than they were before. And although first past the post had its flaws, it at least gave you governments. And if you didn't like that government, you tossed them out. Now you've got an MP that could be dead set useless and take Michael Wood for an example, right? Completely useless. There's a tire skill set that qualified him to be a minister was having the ability to measure the inside scene of a businessman's suit at Hilt's. She writes that's his level of work experience that he's had before going into politics. Hands on, literally. He's dead set useless. He's absolutely failed as a minister, failed as an MP, and yet he's going to get reelected time after time. And even in another, say another couple of election cycles, maybe Labour will start being able to get some listy MPs. But even if you got rid of them as an electorate MP, he'd still get back in on the list. And his conscience is going to be still voting on a conscience that well, looking at that given comments. Socialists and communists don't have a conscience. Well, so Edmund Burke wrote back in the Enlightenment era just before the French Revolution around that time, about the time that Cook was probably sailing around the world. He wrote, your representative owes you not his industry only, but his judgment and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion. Government and legislation are matters of reason and judgment and not of inclination. And I mean, given the fact that that, you know, has a lot of his writings with the foundation of democratic theory for the Westminster system, I think referenda instead of conscience votes is fairer because those those those judgments can be passed to the people instead of these very give you a very simple argument against referenda. Yeah, go for it. Covid. Meaning that 95 percent of the morons would have voted did what they were told. Do you want those people deciding things? No, yeah, you always needed a separate trans transitary process where we get to that point. We're going to the right moment off shore, privy council type thing with an objective view. You know, they I mean, you know, at the moment, at the moment, their way of governing is to sneak bills and acts through with very little consultation to the public. I mean, big things, big things like digital identities, co-governance, co-governance, yeah, and all that. So nothing's perfect, but I just don't trust the general populace. No, no, I'm with you, Cam. It's like having to trust a jury of your peers, rather not. I know, I have no peers. So I'm unique. You're peerless. But I mean, you know, the the yes, no vote going on. And which is the day after our election here in Australia, that thing will get put to referendum. And I think blown out of the water and let's hope it's blown out of the water for the next 20 years. If only we could do that. Yeah, arguments on both sides. And your point against it, Cam, is fair. You know, I mean, I fear that aspect of it as well. Four hundred and forty five thousand. Voters for National in 2017 changed in 2020 to vote for Jacinda Ardern. They're the people who'd be voting in a referendum. They drank that Kool-Aid, right? They gargled and swizzled and made little fountains out of it and frolicked in it. And they got away scot-free. Yeah. And they blame Winston. All right, I guess if we we mentioned Winston too much more, I'll get I'll get buried under a digital heap of emails. Well, let's talk about space cadets, then. OK, quickly. But then I want to go to Matt Gates, because I think he's got the biggest set of balls on the planet right now. So so here we are right in a nation that can't even fill potholes. Where our kids don't go to school. Where our hospitals don't work. People are sick and dying. And Christopher Luxon's big election promise. Nine days out from from from polling day is to have a minister for space. Who would that be? First of all, you hear me. He's a space cadet. I mean, it did strike me. The astrophysicists amongst the national lineup. I don't think David Seymour is probably the most qualified for it. Being an engineer. Christopher Luxon is Christopher Luxon is naturally and aerodynamically fit for space launches. Here's an idea. Why doesn't somebody reach out and say, we're going to have a unique position minister for space? It's going to be completely out. So you don't need to be an MP to do it. And we're going to appoint Liz Gunn. I'll stop it running the space program. If national want to create new ministries, then they should be prepared to cut three old ones like Trump's member Trump's policy with the new regulations. That's easy. Marry affairs, women's affairs and Pacific Island affairs. Yeah, gone. Gone by lunchtime. You sure we'll have a space cadet. So did everyone go, wow, when he said that, like, wow? Now, I think he was too busy answering questions over some of his candidates. But anyway, I'm seeing a rising will to authority in Christopher Luxe. And the more people have said he's starting to look prime ministerial, I'm starting to think he's starting to look authoritarian. You know, I've sort of heard him go, yep, we're going to control that. Like someone said to him, I was in debate the week before last, where they said, should nurses be paid the same in private system as in the public system? He said, yep, yep, they should know. I hire the odd nurse to do cosmetic work. And it's quite a different job on you from that's a lot of work. Yeah, what do you have done, Marty? Is that a blinky thing that it's not? It's quite a different job. You know, you can sort of pick and choose your days. There's no night shift dealing with people or well and you're making them look pretty. I reckon I reckon that Christopher Luxe and has a large range of Hugo Boss suits. Yeah, OK. We know what that means. He also said in answer to a question by the sock puppet Patrick Gower, you know, would you compensate vaccine-injured people with something along the lines? And he went, no, he didn't just say, no, he went, no. Yeah, but it was a nasty no. I'm sorry. It was a nasty no. Yeah, I don't give a flying beat. The marks starting to come off. You know, it's interesting and in my show, the end of it, I had my Cam's buddies. So I had five buddies on and I asked them about that about that exact thing. Is vaccine injury real and should they be compensated? Well, every single one of those buddies knew at least three people that's actually you see, this is what's happening, right? Yeah, yeah. OK. All right. I mentioned Matt Gates. He do you think Olivia, you ask you this, do you think he has got the biggest? The Hooners on because that was an incredible move you pulled off against McCarthy. He should be careful though, catching the underground, shouldn't he? Probably. Well, he, yeah, I mean, I thought it was a beautiful display of the Republic actually working for a change. You know, the ousting of Speaker Kevin McCarthy is an example of how you can get rid of swamp creatures if they if they act like snakes. And he certainly did. I mean, Gates has been holding his fire to her feet to the fire ever since he came in in January. And yeah, I mean, Matt Gates, what he's done amongst his own party is not popular. I mean, Fox News are just slamming him on every single program. But he has his supporters and he didn't need as many as you would think. To pull off such a thing. But there you go. And he deployed the what is it? The right to vacate the motion to vacate motion at first time it's ever been done. First time it's ever been done successfully and gotten rid of somebody. Gates has for months threatened to use that as a procedural tool to try to strip McCarthy of his office. But it escalated, of course, when McCarthy relied on Democrats to provide the necessary votes to keep the government open, which is threatened every year. We always go through this drama every year, which meant more aid to the Ukraine and some pet project of Biden's for, I don't know, disaster relief or something worth 16 billion. Probably direct to Ukraine in the end. Yeah, totally. And also how many of those disasters are. You know, committed rather than happen, you know, McCarthy totally appeased all the Democrat demands, which really, really angered Gates. And it's always his great suspicion of Gates's suspicion of McCarthy's style as a politician. So he deployed it and it was incredible. It was a dramatic showdown, which he won. So McCarthy's gone, a mercifully short career as speaker. And I believe that Jim Jordan's thrown his hat in the ring to be a contender. And they're still looking at Steve Scalise, although I believe he has. Was he the guy who was shot up by the crazy guy of the gun? Yeah. Yeah. But he's I mean, he's been through a lot as a politician. Well, a resilient guy. What about though, Trump? He's they've mentioned him and he said he'd consider it. I saw. Yeah, I don't know. I think he's just playing. Wouldn't they just be a fantastic entertaining outcome to all of this stuff? Well, I want him to be president. So, you know, I don't know if you can do both. But I'd be surprised if Trump did it. But it must be. Can you be the speaker in jail? Pardon. Can you be the speaker in jail? I think there'd be a few logistical issues. How do you wake a gavel? Come sit. Yeah, that's right. The best thing about that was when the was when McCarthy said, bring it on when the possible of the motion was he tweeted that or exed it or like he thought he had it. Yeah. And Gates responded to the post with one of his own writing. Just did. Yeah. That's cold. Well, I saw Gates do a speech post that in the Congress and he really dumped so heavily on the, you know, the swamp system of the donors and and you know, he was he was he was on fire. He was hacking, you know, and he basically said, you can go to hell. You know, you know, he's he's right. I mean, it's about how much money you've got, not necessarily your merit. And Gates wants to see a change to that and good on him. I mean, remember to that this all happened right when Trump had to go through that New York court hearing for yet another show trial over the judges, maniacal smiling. Oh, he's a nutcase. What a weirdo. Oh, yeah. Psychopath. I mean, there's no crime committed. Trump's paid back all those loans. It's normal practice. The banks are happy. Yeah, everyone overvalues their properties when they're asking for more money. That's funny that they got Tommy Robinson on that, though, to the first time. Remember, that's how they got Tommy. Oh, OK. His paperwork over applying for loans is very similar thing. So this is this is their lawfare of choice. Yeah. But you know, I just wanted to mention to that for people that say, you know, who's Trump? Who's who will Trump choose as his running mate for VP when he, you know, does the next election, which is let's face it, only a year away. And they're talking about RFK, Junior, and how that would be the the great ticket. But really, Trump needs to look no further than Matt Gaetz. You know, there's something to be fair, you know, with Matt Gaetz, he does have quite a kind of weird look, too. He looks like it reminds me like someone out of the Thunderbirds or something. You know, he's probably all that. He's highly Botox like a lot of them are. But I think he's quite good in the hair cream myself. But yeah, yeah, I just see a man. He does look like the special kid, though, doesn't he? A little bit like the David Seymour's. He's got a he's got an unusual look for sure. But he's definitely he's got so much spirit. But I guess he would always be trouble if you chose him as a running mate. You know what I mean? He's always his own man and he's going to be a handful and that would Trump pause. But it'd be a hell of a run. Tulsi Gabbard, I always thought that might be quite a. Yeah, she's hopelessly on board with all the green stuff. Really? Yeah. Apart from that, I thought you'd woken up, but maybe not. Maybe. Well, maybe she has a bit more. Did anyone catch the Tucker Carlson interview with military historian Victor Davis Hansen? Yes, I did. Yes. Wasn't that something scary? Yeah, but I was really glad that he pointed out that what we what we're living through at the moment is a revolution. Yeah, yeah. An economic revolution, a cultural revolution and a political revolution all in one. And his closest point of comparison is the Jacobin dictatorship of France during the reign of terror and the French Revolution. And I think that's right. And that we are living through something very similar. So again, I say our way of defeating this, our only hope to defeat it is to conduct a vigilant counter-revolution which wins back our institutions. They're ours. You know, why do we question of how to do that? Sorry, Marty. We're at the stage now where the cards are all getting lined up. And if you can look, you can see that they're getting lined up. But if you would rather not think about it, you can pretend that they're not. You know, you can pretend that these various chess moves aren't bringing us closer to some sort of horrible checkmate, which is a boot stamping on a human face forever. But we're getting close. Gary Muller said, think of it like a chess game. Every piece is there disposable to protect one piece on the board. The king, the queen. The tip of the tip of the pyramid. Yeah. So you've got to be prepared to to use your pieces. And in the end, it doesn't matter if you lose your pieces. In the end, the goal is only one thing. Well, that's for the king and queen to hold power, though, right? If you're going to use it to protect. Yeah, well, that's the that's the sort of literal definition. But whatever you're trying to to protect, you've got to use your the if you think of it as chess. You've got to sacrifice your pawns. Yeah, yeah. You've got to you've got to go hard. Yeah. Yeah. And not be too pussy about it. Oh, no, you know, yeah. Well, we we want to stop. We want to arrest this kind of vote dictatorship because if they take that to their zenith, you're looking at the guillotine. So we're lucky that we are still in the realm of ideas and politics, and we have got options to be able to fight this kind of thing politically before these Jacobin like woke crazy people want to completely de-Christianize the whole West. They're just a tool that they're just they're just, as I said, personality disorder to people who, given the correct stimulus, will behave a certain way. They're not, as I said, they're screens and keyboards. Well, just under our durn ended up being a little bit more than that. I don't think much more. Really? No. I well, do you really think she came up with all that stuff? Do you think? No, no, I agree that she's a player. There's a puppet aspect to her, but she's she's zealotry woke and was quite happy with dictatorship and was quite happy with forced injections. Yeah. And that's because exempting a whole bunch of people. 11,000 as it turned out. And that's probably the tip of the iceberg I'm picking. Yeah, I'm surprised. David Seymour hasn't called for an inquiry and how they were why were they exempted when they should have been put onto his bus forcibly at gunpoint and and vaccinated. The party bus, yeah, Seymour won't accept that doctors may have had it wrong or did anything wrong, you know. The thing about Gates, though, that other move is that he's pulled the rug from Ukraine for Ukraine funding in the near term, I think, through that, because that continuing resolution had that baked in and people are saying, can the Ukrainian government stay paying themselves in the meantime? Oh, well, you see, I mean, this is what's so interesting about what Gates did is that he is not a supporter of that war, whereas most of the Republican Party are. That's why we're careful in the subway, right? And the Democrats. Yeah, and and that, well, you find, yeah, yeah, like, but but but it's the Republicans we try and rely on for a little bit more sanity than the dem left. But yeah, I mean, it'll be interesting to see what happens with Gates, because a lot of people are going to try and get rid of him. Well, you would have done something 20 years ago that's some reprehensible thing. Well, they had to go in a year or two ago, won't they? They had to go in a year ago in any way. No, they've been investigating him for trafficking. They're trying to pin that on him. But I don't believe every American break something like seven federal laws a day. I seem to remember. You know, that just means there's too many laws, right? Yeah, yeah. But at least you're Joe Biden and the Biden family. Break as many as you want more than that. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder how long Victor Hansen, Davis thinks that Joe will Uncle Joe will stay stay there. I don't hear another really interesting interview was Trevor Loudon on on counterculture this week, talking about, you know, again, the extent to which New Zealand politicians have their the Maoists. Yeah, Maoists. But also around he was talking about how we sort of think, well, we don't want to invade anyone. No one wants to invade us. China is our friend. We sort of still got this idea that we're living in a benign environment. And who is the New Zealander in China all that time? Allie. Yeah. Well, we've, you know, that must mean something. Sure, he still does it. Well, I mean, you know, the quickest way to end a war is to lose it. And I think that's the strategy that our leaders have played on our behalf. We don't have any. You remember that old film, The Mouse That Roared? There was exactly about that as a small little country that declared war on the United States and then promptly surrendered. And can you please come and take us over and we'll have a US dollar. And the Marshall Plan applied. Yeah. Yeah. But but the United States actually surrendered in the movie. OK, you've talked about that before, Cam. Is it a good watch? I wouldn't think so. I was made in the fifties. What was the movie with Tim Allen and they someone had, you know, intercepted some alien civilization? And that was that's kind of like that. But I forget about that now. All right, have we have we gone through everything? Apparently there's a good movie, Olivia. It's got Peter Sellers in it. Oh, Peter Sellers. 1950, 1959, a British satirical comedy film. Oh, check it out. I love the mouse that roared. Yeah, he's so funny. What was very funny, man? OK, have we missed anything? Is there anything? Any final comments? Probably, probably. Oh, dearly, vote often. Oh, yes. No, I've missed one thing. The most beautiful thing about what Matt Gates did was that the first thing that the new Interim Acting Speaker, McHenry, did was evict Nancy Pelosi while she was away at Dianne Feinstein's funeral. She got a bit out of the capital. Can you believe she still had her plush officers in there? Well, I read a few comments of hers and she said that was sort of a tradition. And and that's how she tried to spin it because she was lenient. That they should concentrate on the important issues rather than these minor issues of evicting me. Yeah, they didn't drag that hag out of the building. Yeah. I mean, what's she doing there? She's no longer employed there. And she's got one of the nicest suites of officers in the whole building. So anyway, she's gone. And I think that was long overdue. And, you know, who knew she was actually still there? That shows you how tolerant. Well, that's to Dems McCarthy. Yeah, it's one creature. Yeah, well, yeah, she just needs another booster. All right. I think that's about it for this Friday morning for our political panel. Thanks again to Olivia Pearson. Thank you, Olivia. Thank you, Marty Gibson and thank you, Cam Slater. And I think we're going to do a few pop up political discussions before the weekend next weekend, not this, but next. And I think we've got Cam, Olivia and Marty, a few things lined up for the night. A few of us are going to be scattered around the place with plenty of incoming people, and there'll be more details about how we're going to do that. I guess we could call it some sort of election night party or get together at least. That was a good one last week with Muriel Newman and Morris Williams. Williamson. Yeah. Well, that's well, that's cool. Yeah, I thought it was a good mix. Morris Morris. A lot going on there, right? Mathematician and a physicist, you know, yeah. Really? Yeah. Oh, you know, he running algorithms on votes. He's got multiple science degrees and computer science and he's a statistician. He's running his own little, you know, polling predictor spreadsheet. He's a ninja on spreadsheets. That's why I had him on the show last night to talk about what he thinks is where it's heading. You know, so it was interesting. It was a little bit different. He certainly gave his view on the two million votes that are going to go somewhere. Have we had any feedback? He's always an interesting guest. Have we had any feedback about our big billboards? And I saw a picture of you, Cam. I think up on the NZME building there, just over from the Empire. No, it was across the road from TV and Zed. Yeah, OK. There's some real pukishness going on with some of that. In your place, baby. Our overladies are a bit mischievous sometimes. Yeah, but plenty of people will be seeing those. Plenty of people will be seeing those. That's right. And I saw you on the Herald side. So that must have hurt, but hurt a few on the inside of that. Yeah, just just I feel sorry for Shane Curry and Simon Wilson. They're walking out the door while my face is planted over their website. No, it can't be easy for them. Just have a heart, have a bit of a cure for it. All right, so just try my eyes. Have a great weekend, guys, and we'll talk again next week, all right? Thanks very much. Have a great week. See you.