 Welcome back to the now. Military raids involving Air Force officers have claimed the lives of no fewer than 40 bandits in Mallele village in the Danzado local government area of Zamfara state. It was gathered that the Air Force, during a series of airstrikes undertaken by the Air Component of Operation Hadarindadji, neutralized the terrorists at their hideouts in the village. Also terrorists on Sunday night reportedly killed over 28 people in separate attacks in Malagum-1 and Sokwon communities of Kagoro-Chivdam in Kaurah local government area of Kaduna state. The attack is coming barely five days after an attack was launched in Malagum-1, killing three persons. Joining us live to discuss this is Engineer Musa Idris, a public affairs analyst. Good evening and thanks for joining us, Mr. Idris. Thank you very much. Okay, well strikes undertaken by the Air Component of Operation Hadarindadji have recorded a major victory after hitting terrorists at Mallele village in the local government area of Zamfara state. But at the same time we hear that there were civilian casualties. How would you assess the exploits of the security forces? Are we winning the true victories or are there rather, Pyrrhic victories? You just said it all, the efforts of the military. If you look at their respite outings, there have been a lot of structures. What happened in Kaurah local government is rather unfortunate. You could call it a reprisal attack because there had been a complaint that the people when they say they had been attacked and then this what happened on Sunday is probably reprisal. That's what happened. So that also means that it took everybody on our way, especially the military. That is what this devastation of casualty that has happened. This affected community, you captured correctly. This second part, there are two walls there where this thing happened in Kaurah local government. Very unfortunate really. I don't know what you mean by reprisal attack because the reports that we got, maybe it's different from what you have, is that the Air Force was doing what they needed to do and these bandits ran into a market and they still dropped a bomb inside a market. So some eyewitnesses said that this bomb was dropped and unsuspecting people, civilians, were affected. That's the report that we got. So what do you mean by reprisal attack? Who was coming to attack after incurring some losses some time before? Maybe myself and you were talking from two different angles. It's possible. You mentioned Kaurah local government. Yes. That's probably in Zamparasite. But this one I'm talking of is going to happen in Kaurah local government. And specifically you talk of these affected communities which I do are two walls there. If you understand what has been happening, this is simply because the government have not issued an official statement in Kedunasi. So all we are hearing is our own personal investigation. So what I've investigated is that these affected communities were actually attacked. By the bandits, right? Yes, the bandits. Whatever you call them. But the way the attack happened is more like a reprisal than anybody who you go to ask around that area. They would tell you that there had been a chemical before this time and I know like the and then again they went to this attack that had happened on Sunday. But I had expected that by now the relevant authorities in Kedunasi would have issued a statement as to the exact happening. So what we are discussing here is the snippet of what we have gotten from the community. And as I speak with you, we understand that those who have been doing that attack are still hanging around within the local government where that attack happened. So I couldn't have seen what a bomb was dropped in the market. So I don't know where it got that from. But from what I know from this community, which of course you mentioned, there was no bomb drop there. So I don't know where that bomb can happen. So the bandits or the terrorists or whatever, like you said, whatever name we call them, they are still criminals. They are the ones who came for the repressor attack and had those people, including the military, killed. Or from the story you are saying there was no military casualty? No, no, no, there was no military casualty there. Okay, now just okay, it is clear now that maybe there are some stories that are not the same, but there's still a security issue. They're still a security issue. My next question, my next question is my concern. Sorry, let me help you, let me help you. Yeah. This needs to be echoing. But you see, if you are talking of what happened in Saqqang, in Park Ward, in Koraloka government, there was no bomb drop there, my friend. Okay. That is the story of the market. Those committees who affected our two communities, and this is what the community you mentioned, there was no bomb drop in the market there. Okay. So the story of the bomb may just be a false alarm? Certainly not in Koraloka government. Okay. Very fine. But now, from the statements that we've always said in Nigeria that one of our leaders once said that if terrorism festers for up to a month, it stays up to, it endures up to a month, that the government has a hand in it. Do you think this could be a true statement because we're wondering why the security forces are finding it difficult to flush out the bandits? Because some stories that we hear are that these bandits are known people. In fact, we've heard cases somewhere in the north there where some bandits were given chief-tensely titles. So why is it so difficult to flush out these bandits once and for all? Yes, I'm not a million personnel. I just analyze situations to when they happen. I'm not aware of a certain leader who says that if a reprisal attack or any chemist is not arrested within some 13 hours, the government is complicit. I'm not aware of that. What I do know is that in the last couple of years, when I had problems of all kinds of insurgency within some states in the north, that is the truth of the matter. I also know again that the military issued a statement recently saying that 19 bandits are in their one-day leave and they've been working on it. You can see that there were a lot of success, like I told you, that in the local government you mentioned, in Nigeria State, they made the decisions of arrest. And you also know that they rescued seven Chinese within that same operation where a lot of bandits were exterminated. These are some of the circumstances. But because it's more like a guerrilla attack or something, that's why each time the bandits move one way, the bandits move the other way. So this is what is happening here. But for me, I would expect that what the government need to do, or rather the military, is to rearrange the security architecture in such a way that all this is happening within these areas where there are these bandits, they should move in like a war-like situation where they can surround them and then push on air and online. And in that way, there could be a total annihilation of all those insurgents. Because like this guy you mentioned, they know that, somebody was giving him this statue, they know there is this the other Pelo Turgi, who was killed by the Sokoto and Zembara Aziz. He's known within the community. Recently he asked that the villagers would not have a farm until he paid ransom. And he was actually paid ransom. And if he means he's operating and he's been known, we wonder why he had not been brought, he had not been brought up to this moment. This is the much I know. But I know that the military is trying all the food to ameliorate some of this chemistry that happened within the news and cringes or some sitting sessions of the local government in the north. Well, you are in the heat of everything here. So you know, you are talking to us right now from Kaduna state and all that. And this administration, even from the federal to the state level, has said that on several occasions actually that what the security forces need have been provided. And we're wondering where else lies the problem. But from what you have observed, because like you say, you are not a military personnel. But do you think what incentives and weaponry and everything that they need, the government has done enough to make sure that this war can be won? Yes, you see, what I've come to realize over time, all the governors, the state governors in the country, they will tell you they are the security chiefs of the state. But what I've come to realize is that, yes, you can give it to them that they're the security chiefs of the federal state. But they don't have command over command and control, which means they cannot direct the city officials to be taken. The military does that, taking the action from the commander in chief. What I know they do, they support the military by giving them all they need in terms of logistics and all of that. That is why you see sometimes they achieve success. Because there are city areas where we just need to get the assistance of some of these governors where these states are affected. So they work in hand, in parapas too, to achieve set goals. That has been done. But the reason why this thing is not being, I mean, ameliorated is what beats my imagination. Because I know that they have a very large number in all the various local clinics of where these things are happening. If they take off these insurgents in a particular locality, you see them in other localities. So this is what beats my imagination. But again, I'm wondering why I know again that drones are being used. And then the military also through the effort, they go on air and they have drones available. And I still wonder why they've not been able to smoke them out of from where they normally find them and all of that. So is that left for them to tell us exactly why all this is happening, despite all this effort that they're putting? Okay. Well, I don't know. Just maybe is there hope for Nigeria to end terrorism or at least to bring it lower than it is right now? Do you think there are some things that could be done by both government and the people to make sure that terrorism is reduced if it is not totally wiped out? Yes, what I can tell you often is that you see the traditional institution need to come in here. We know in the past the traditional system plays a major role from the Hamlet to the chief to the Bikki or Emyah, whatever I call them. So it happens that they take better information from their people. I'm hearing. Yeah, go ahead, I'm saying that, you see, let's take a note here for a second. The email of Glasgow is a first-class team. It means that he has his support staff which can bring him information from their people. How does he act on this information? He contacts the security agency, probably through the governor, which, of course, will send it to the military or the relevant security governor. But it happens that especially in Kedinaste, some of these, you know, traditional rulers that would have aided the government politically in achieving some of these security opponents have suddenly been discharged of their responsibility. Some of them were stuck. So, you see, and then their recognition I told you, they are not being recognized as to get them to officially, you know, discharge this responsibility. That's where some of them probably, you may see in standard look, and they allow the government and the military to do their oppression. But if you start with them with responsibility of sustaining functions that they must carry out by that reporting system, I must tell you that we will achieve milestone. That has not been done. Unless that is done, we're coming to try what we, what is being done today. Okay, well, we'd like to thank you, Mr. Idris, for coming on the program and opening our eyes. A lot is happening. Where, wherever it happens, whether in the north or in the south, it affects the entire Nigeria. For instance, if the farmers cannot harvest their crops, it is this same food that comes to the south. So we all are affected and these are our brothers. Thank you so much for coming on the show and sharing your thoughts with us. Thank you to accept that your video didn't work. Well, we have alternatives. Technology has given us that. This is where we're up for, plus politics, brother. My name is Nyam Gul Agadji. Do have a wonderful evening.