 Hello people, Mokinye Lokkuri, Lobiuri, Lomode Atsini Agba, Eshe Goni, Modukwe. That was me saying thank you to you in my native dialect of Yoruba, Orukomini Adiola Sliman. And you are welcome to your favorite prime time television show Waze. It is our season break special and as we round off the year and mark our four years anniversary, I want to highlight why I love Waze and the impact it has had on me personally and on my journey into television by answering 10 personal questions about Waze and how it fits into my life. For me, I think the Waze show brings to the four topical and societal issues, provides information and sparks dialogues that seeks to educate and empower people to make informed decisions and stay current on issues around the country and the world at large. My personal mission is to live an intentional life that is tipped in my abilities to learn or learn and relearn. I am motivated and inspired to advocate for same and one of the platforms that allows me to do this is the other Waze show. We are able to have intentional conversations that are designed to spark action in people and help them make informed decisions that are fact-based and also to promote our individual and collective lives. My favorite moment on Waze has got to be the episode where we had them. How can we get more women into seats of power in Nigeria? Now, if I have to talk about what my daily job looks like and what I love about it, I work as the program's lead at Prussia Foundation. Now, Prussia Foundation operates within the financial literacy and innovation space and I am excited about the work we do, which is advocating and promoting financial literacy around the country using innovative ways to tell the financial literacy story. I am very passionate about financial inclusion projects and we are involved with our stakeholders in bringing about opportunities to initiate conversations around financial exclusion and how we can move as a country forward. Every day, I see the impact we create and I am proud to say that in helping people become more financially literate, we are aligned with the federal government and the UN Sustainable Development Goals to eradicate poverty, achieve zero hunger, promote gender equality and so much more. I consider this a unique and privileged opportunity. What am I most proud about? Oh, certainly that would be myself. I mean, I think about the journey, my journey and it is hard for me not to applaud myself if I look back to how far I have come. I am very proud of the fact that I seek daily to walk the path of transformation, giving myself the liberty to make mistakes and learn from it, but also I take each moment to celebrate the winds and stay in the cause even when I have doubts creeping in. That's not easy but to me. I am very afraid of losing faith, not making heaven as cliche as that sounds, not having enough time to spend with the people I love and also not extending enough grace to those I meet in proportion to how much grace I have enjoyed from the Almighty and the people around me. This year has been a really tough one for me. I mean so many things happened, but I will say this that at the end of it all, hope spoke so much louder than despair for me and I am truly very grateful for that. If I were to be elected as a president for one day, my priority would be, I mean Nigeria is a very complex nation and it's very hard to just see that I would do one thing. However, I think that I would seek to address the financial trajectory of this country at the heart of financial wellness are the principles of make, manage, multiply, and protect and I think it's the same thing at national level. How do we make money as a nation? What do we need to do to ensure consistent inflow of money? Now I think we would need to focus and build in local capacities and industries to the point where we're a production nation as against just the consuming one. Second thing is how do we manage money? First, the cost of governance must be drastically reduced. Government expenditure must be evaluated to reflect economic situation, focus and promote maintaining strategies instead of wastage. How do we multiply money? It would be my job to foster economic growth by incentivizing entrepreneurship and ensuring an enabling environment for startups and small businesses. Facilitating access to capital for businesses to expand, innovate and create more opportunities will be a definite way to increase local economies. I will also definitely promote financial literacy and investment education to empower individuals to make informed financial decisions, implement tax policies that incentivize long-term investments and wealth building activities which foster the culture of responsible and sustainable financial growth. The last will be how do we protect our assets as a nation? I will diversify the economy to reduce dependency on a single sector providing stability and protection against economic vulnerabilities. Now I think that the media act as a catalyst for national transformation by informing, educating, influencing, advocating and facilitating communication. It is very integral in shaping the narrative, fostering public engagement and contributing to the overall success of national, of transformational initiatives. I love to read, I like to travel, I like listening to music and definitely being around loved ones. My favorite show this year has got to be the episode with Terry Taylor where we discussed how more women can get into the seats of power. We explored some of the prevailing issues women often faced going into the political space and vying for a position, the impact of culture, the inequality that arises from gender bias and other mitigating factors. We also discussed what strategies to employ moving forward to ensure more female representation in politics and governance. Now, in case you can't remember, watch this. Thanks for staying with us now according to a news source. Despite clamors for improvement in women participation in public life across the world, Nigeria appears to be moving in the wrong direction now from 1990-1998. Only 157 women have been elected into the 469 member national assembly, 38 senators and 119 members of the House of Representatives compared to 2,657 men with about 616 senators and 2,041 reps during the same period. The results of the 25th February presidential and national assembly elections have further exposed Nigeria's failure to implement several treaties and status it signed, which are aimed to ensuring women's involvement in politics. Now, of course, the 92 women who contested for the Senate in the February elections, only three women won. While out of the 286 who contested for the seats of the House of Representatives, only 15 have been declared winners. It is our responsibility as citizens to learn from our mistakes and make decisions that will be for the benefits of the larger good. And today, we're asking how can we get more women into seats of power? Now, please, let's hear what you have to say. Remember, you can join the conversation. Send us an SMS or WhatsApp to read 1-803-4663. You can also tweet at us at Weissho Afqa 1 with the hashtag Weissho. In one or two minutes, quickly, how do you think you can help women get into power more? Advocacy, we need to get more women involved in politics and a lot of times that involves financing. We need to understand that there are roles to this thing. So if you discover what your strength is, you must be able to say that I'm giving this to you. I'm lending you my strength. I can campaign with you, but I can donate resources. This one can't do this. I can come with my intellectual capacity. So again, and then we need to be forgiving to other women. So I think people, we women need to support each other and then we're just discussing how the standard is always raised when you see a woman coming into a place of leadership. You don't now say, oh, when it's a man, it's like, okay, it's normal, whatever he does, he does. But then when it's a woman, I hope she will be able to do this. I hope she will be able to do that. Why? A woman is, she's a human being just as a man is, right? So I think we also, we need to recognize the on top capacity of women leadership. Absolutely. And do you know how interesting these elections went? Do you know that the people that actually did, not only did they vote, that's true to protect their votes. They were mostly women. I mean, honestly, imagine if women have just come together and say, I don't want to care which party you belong. As long as you're a woman, I am here for you. You are on this ballot. I am here to, all the women would have entered the, I mean, they would have won their elections. I think so. Because the real people that voted in these particular elections were women. No, but women are usually the powerhouse of electoral in elections. So you see them. That's why your larger market women association, they hold such strong political force, because you can't go and meet a man, I mean, in that large number and say, come out and vote. No, it is the women that will mobilize other women and say, listen, so we just need to channel that. So let me bring in our guests. Terry Taylor is a media professional and a TV producer with vast experience serving clients in both the public and private sector. She is the vice chairman environment of a leaky zone and is the environment secretary of leaky estate residence association. Terry Taylor is the duly nominated candidate of the youth party to represent Etiosa one at the state house of assembly in the just concluded 2023 elections that happened on Saturday. She's also campaigning on it or she campaigned rather on a class strategy to transform the environment and create jobs for many, many unemployed youth in the constituency or the political terminologies. But she's joined us live in the studio. Thank you so much, Terry Taylor. First of all, let me ask you for the just concluded elections. How was Saturday for you? Saturday was quite an interesting day for me. I was ready, you know, for to participate in the elections. My team and I had my agents in all the polling units across and we were basically good to go. But then we were watching out, you know, for when the materials come out and, you know, and then at that point we realized that my party had been excluded from the ballot for house of assembly in Etiosa one. Yes. So that was my experience. But still, I mean, it was a very busy day because like I said, we already had all of our logistics in place. So we had to still manage people, manage all of our agents all around, take care of welfare, just still keep things going. So that kept me busy all of Saturday. How did that keep? How did that? So how did that help? It had been an ongoing legal issue with INEC. But on the second of December, 2022, we had a judgment from the Supreme Court in our favor as a party saying INEC should allow us to participate as we are duly registered, you know, political party. Meanwhile, this is not my first time contesting. In 2021, at the local government elections, I was on the ballot on youth party. I ran for councilor of my world. So I've been on the ballot before on this same platform. Okay. And so when this happened, you know, we got the judgment on the second of December. So he was like, okay, you know what, you don't really expect INEC to just completely ignore and disobey Supreme Court judgments. But turns out that's exactly what they did. And so are you planning to pursue, take an illegal action or what's the plan going forward? Yes. I mean, so I mean, since I've been running this campaign since May last year, I declared in May, we did the primaries, we did the screening. So it's been a long stretch. I think I have done all that I know to do as a candidate in spite of all that uncertainty and all of that. I, you know, I did the campaigning. I took it all upon myself. I expended everything that I did. And this was the outcome, which is fine. I mean, this is online. They did this, you know, however, I think if the party wants to follow it up, they should. But I wouldn't need on that. I think I've done my part in the whole process. Why do I feel so disappointed that you are not pursuing it? Well, I mean, I hope it's pursued because yes, why should they ignore Supreme Court judgment? But I wouldn't need on it. You know, I'm a candidate. I have run a strong campaign. I've done everything. I've done my groundwork. I've, you know, connected with my electoral base. I had people come out. So I had to spend all of Saturday doing damage control. Everybody who was supporting me, I had to send messages to them saying, this is what has happened. But please, you still need to go out and vote. And I made sure that I went out to vote. So imagine I took that House of Assembly, you know, paper, I saw myself excluded, but I voted because I wanted to let other people know that look, let's move on. It has to happen, you know. So that was that was it. And So just let's just stay small on that subject of the Saturday election. I saw you put up a post on the, what's it called, the tribal or religious bigotry, bigotry that went on on Saturday. You know, do you want to just, you know, probably say more about that? I mean, when I found out that I had been excluded, it was terrible. It was, I was disappointed and all of that. But like I said, I was busy. So it was easy to manage that and just carry on doing. But what really broke my heart was this tribal bigotry, you know, to just see that in. I mean, I have never experienced that before. You know what I mean? Like I've heard about tribal profiling, you know that it exists. But I, for the first time, I actually saw the face of it. I, you know what I mean? Like this is ugly. This is terrible. I don't ever want, this is not the Nigeria that I know or that I want to be, you know, I want for us, for all of us. So I felt the need to, you know, reach out because I just imagine that if I was on the receiving end of all that hate, you know, you've lived somewhere all of your life, you have a sense of kinship with everybody there. I mean, we don't see, I don't, I don't see tribe and I've lived in Lagos all my life really. I don't see people on the basis of where they are from or I just see everybody, we're all Nigerians. But to see that division and to see people who you know, who you respect, who you, who are everyday people like you, you know, propagate that, that hate to me, it was shocking. And I thought, you know what, no, we need to reach out to the people, you know, who have been directly affected by this. We need to, you know, sort of all just find a way to sort of heal from this because it really is bad. And the thing about it that even scared me the most was we all, people talk about, you know, separating living Nigeria, they talk about Biafra, they talk about all of that. And I'm always, I've always been a very strong advocate for one Nigeria. I believe that, you know, one Nigeria is a non-negotiable. We should always find a way to hold together. But for the first time, I sort of understood where the argument comes from. Yes, I totally understood it because I'm like, you know what, if I was on the receiving end of that, I would say, let's keep going, keep going, yes, I'm going to go back here. But I don't want us to all get there. We can't afford to get there because we are better off together. So the healing needs to start, it needs to be, it needs to be urgent, it needs to be strategic. It's all hands on deck. We all have a responsibility to reach out. And I think the person I would pin this on is the CNC. What do they call the person? You know, you're the CNC in charge of the state. A lot happened. Again, these people thought they were fighting your battle. So that's why they were calling out and calling a particular tribe. So if you truly want to heal from this, if you want, because again, you cannot ignore what this particular tribe have brought to your IGR. You can't ignore it. I'm sorry, you cannot. They actually are, anywhere they go to, they drive the economy. They are that industrious. So you can't just wake up and because of politics, ignore the kind of financial return that these people bring for you as a people. So I mean, we will take a very short break. They will not focus on women's seats because we have, shut our time. Stay with us. We'll just go out and be right back. Stay with us. All right. Thanks for staying with us. Now, if you just tuned in, we're having a conversation and we're asking how can we get more women in the seats of power? And we have a woman, she's been in political scene for a while and she's been contesting, you know, she's here with us, you know, to discuss more about this, right? And please let's hear what you have to say. Remember, you can join the conversation, send us an SMS or WhatsApp to 081-803-4663. You can also tweet at us at Weshaw Africa, one with the hashtag Weshaw. All right. So, Terry, let's now move to the conversation around women. I mean, when the Adamora State elections, it was going, everybody was so excited. Oh, what a Mother's Day gift, you know, and all of that. You know, even me, I took the picture that I'd seen online, I put it on my status. I felt very proud. I felt very like, okay, yes, you know, I can see somebody like me, you know. I mean, being a governor is a big deal, right? And she ran a very tight race, right? But when, of course, they broke my heart. First of all, people were saying that, why were we congratulating her? We made it, you know, we jinxed it, you know, it was too early that, and we're over hyping, we're over celebrating her. People didn't understand what it was. It was a win for all women. But this issue around women in leadership, right? It's a big deal. I mean, Diora mentioned finance, children were talking about standards, how we put a lot of expectations, when is a woman that is running, but when is a man, nobody's asking those kinds of questions. How do we truly get women, you know, more women to occupy seats of power? There's a law that says we must feel 35%. No, not even following that, and nobody's even questioning it. So how do we even start? Where do we start from if we really want to follow through? And I like what you said about strategy, because me, I'm not about emotions anymore. After this election, they have opened my eye to see that it's not about emotions. We just need to be very strategic. So how do we strategically get more women seated at high levels of power? So first of all, more women have to desire it. More women have to want that power and to be in those and to occupy those offices. So when you have more women wanting it, and not just wanting it to be handed over to them, but wanting, but willing to put in the work, you know, and go into political parties, you can, you can just sit here and wish, wish yourself into office. You have to go into a political party. You have to be part of the political party system, because our electoral act doesn't allow for independent candidates. So you have to be part of a political party for them to present you as a candidate. And that is a, you know, that is a race on its own. You know, it's not, you're not just going to get up doing elections and say, I want to join a political party. If you want to be elected in 2027, you have to start to work. Join the party now. You know, join the party, get find yourself a role, start to add value, start to volunteer, you know, let people know you, let people even within the party start to know you, start to trust you. So that when you now come out and say, oh, I want to, you know, buy the form for one position or the other, there will be people who will back through, there will be delegates who are willing to vote for you. But if you just come out of nowhere and just expect that there will be some sort of, because your handouts, you know, it will just be handed over to you, that is completely wrong. And that is why a lot of people in the parties will not even respect a woman who will come up because they're like, why should we all just hand it over to you because they are doing 35%? No, you have to fight for it as well. So I think that it's a joint understanding. If the political parties are more willing to put forward more women, so they can now put in within their processes things that will allow for that, you know, to happen. For example, maybe they would, in my party, when I was running, like running for House of Assembly now, so the form for the House of Assembly was a millionaire, but because I'm a woman, I got it for 500,000. So that's a little incentive, you know, you can do with the forms. And I know that different parties do it. Some even give for free. But I don't, I think you should pay for the form. I think you should pay for the form. It's your own first investment into your own. So pay for it for my pay. I would advise anyone to. I actually think so too. It's your way of committing and saying, I'm going to do this and I'm going to take the money and I'm going to invest in this. So it's you committing to it and it shows your seriousness, to be honest. You would appreciate to form better when you have it and give it to you, you know. So more of those sort of incentives, you know, will allow men feel that, okay, if a campaign is not going to be too expensive, I don't have to go and sell my house. If I'm going to get the funding to do it, like you said, you know, it would encourage more people. But first of all, you have to come in and be willing to do the work, be willing to come in and, you know, do the groundwork, the back end work, not the glorious work that everybody will see, but go and be the one that is arranging chairs, doing the things. Do you understand? Be the one to provide food, to provide welfare when people need. Let people know you and be able to vouch for you and say, you know, what this because a lot of times, you know, people are actually, there's sometimes a bit of fear, even towards women vying for these positions that may because of a society that may be a an instinctive, you know, reaction, people are afraid. But when you show people that there's nothing for you to be afraid of, I'm somebody you can trust. I'm somebody that you even want to be in power because you know that it's a benefit to you know what I mean. So once you can make yourself that way to people, it reduces those barriers. And you'll be surprised that it's even the men that will be pushing you forward and say, no, let her be the one that has been my experience, even in, you know, the, in Lyra, in Leckie, you know, where I occupy some positions, I've always been recommended by, you know, men who have pushed me forward and said, you know, she will do the work, she will get it done. And it has encouraged me through my political career too, to step out, you know, before you can be a candidate, people have to nominate you. And, you know, a lot of times, a lot of guys would be the one to say, Terry, you do it, you are the one to go forward. But that's because I've paid my dues in that sense, I've been, I've always been available, always been accessible, they know that if they want something done, she will get it done, you know, so it builds that trust over time. Okay, so I wanted to add something to where you say, I often find that women think that being soft and, you know, all that vulnerability is a weakness for them. So a lot of times we tend to think, no, I have to come across like, you know, very, very aggressive. And I don't think that's the way to go. I honestly think that we can weaponize that softness. It can become a strategy because people naturally gravitate towards empathy. And we have that in abundance, I mean, well, most women, you know, and we can use that where the ones that can easily relate to the grassroots women, you understand what it means for her to go through all the trouble to feed her kids, you understand what it means for her to put two Nara, three Nara together to say, okay, I want to feed my family. And I honestly, because a lot of women I speak to, they go like, oh, I need to, you know, once I'm in that position, I need to be very tough so that all these people won't be looking at me like I'm too soft or somebody wants to take advantage. No, just be your natural self and just let it play out. People that would, everybody would, and I, again, I think for women, we want everybody to like us. Everybody will not like us. Everybody will not accept us. You know, I totally agree with you. I do. It's even false when you try to be something you are not. There are some women who by their personality type are aggressive and come across strongly. That's fine if that's your personality. But there are other people who are maybe a bit reserved, a bit soft spoken, and people would imagine that that would mean you won't get the respect of people out there. But I think it's even this Madame Binani in Adamawa, when I first of all heard or saw her that she was running, I then said, let me go and look for a video of her because I wanted to like experience what she was like. And I was so shocked at how soft spoken and like very gentle, you know, mannered she is. And I was like, okay, that's interesting. She's not the stereotype that you describe as brash, aggressive and all that. And it was welcoming and refreshing to me to see that because I was like, I'm happy that she's just an easygoing woman, like every, well, she appears to be an easygoing woman, like every other person you know. And I think for me, that's a winner. Just be yourself. Be your authentic self. The people that will gravitate to you if you're aggressive will gravitate to you. The people that will gravitate to you if you're gentle will gravitate to you. So just be yourself. Okay, so I like what you said about putting in the work, right? But then it's been said because I remember that there was a particular candidate with the party who was a woman and then she was also young. So it wasn't even just because she was a woman now. Also because she was young, she didn't get the presidential ticket she was trying to get at the time. So what would you have to say about that? Um, well, I don't know the exact, you know. No, I'm talking generally now. You're referring to. But I would say, you know, I'm not of the school of thought. You were saying it earlier. I slightly have a different way of looking at it. I'm not of the school of thought of saying I would just support someone because she's a woman. No, I'm sorry. It's not that easy. No, you have to earn my respect. You have to earn my vote. You have to earn my, my, you know, like every other person, I don't, I don't see things like that. I won't, yes, I may be a little bit more biased in terms of giving you more of my attention or being more sympathetic in the way I view your, but I will not automatically just vote for someone because she's a woman. I'm sorry. You have to take the boxes. There has to be competence. I have to see your character and feel like you're somebody I can trust with leadership. You know, I'm not just going to do that. So, and I don't really, I know, I understand the urgent need for more women to be in politics and in government, but it should be the right woman. I want to ask a question. It should be the right woman. These same standards that you have just said now, do you put it for men? Which same standards? Because you see, people have heard these arguments and all of that. I've heard, I've heard this argument about competence, character and all of that. I do. The crop of leaders that we have today, can you categorically say that there is competence as character? Some. Some. It's not an abundance of them. It's not. It's very minimal. But you see, so the way I'm driving with the conversation is the point I'm trying to make is that, in terms of all that criteria of competence and character and all of that, if you put all the crops of everybody together, so let them all be in competence together as far as I'm concerned, because again, no, it's true because we've tried out men for so long. Imagine if we had women in the seats of power, right? Like this is policy makers, especially women. No, I'm talking about a good number for policy makers, especially not really the executive. So like the critical mass, the critical mass of women, especially where some policies are being crafted. There is a way a woman would craft. There's a way you would craft the policy that would be completely different from how a man would craft that policy. Right? So let me just step aside, because that competence matter. I said, after this election, I don't want to know what you are. The fact that we are disappointed by, it's like those jokes, those memes you always see on this, what I ordered versus what I got. What I got. Let all of your dreams run thin. It's true. The fact that we are disappointed doesn't mean you should give up. I would not. How would we ever get what we want. We don't persist. So let me just quickly divert a bit. I want to digress a bit. I want to focus on you a little bit. Now, you run under a party. Now, look at Binani. She ran under a very strong political party. The ruling party. It's a ruling party. Now, I want to understand the role of the party for women. Because again, I see that a lot of the smaller parties are very quick to give tickets and all of that to women and all of that. They are very quick to do all of those things. But when it comes to the bigger parties, the big political parties, the big political players, it's very difficult. So for her to have gotten that ticket, you would know that the kind of work she must have put in. She would have matched maybe 10 men. Because she would have done 10 times what the men would have done for her to have gotten that seat. So the question I'm trying to ask is, is it wisdom anymore for women that are trying to put themselves, if we want to start to increase our seats of power, is it wisdom for us to continue to run under smaller parties or we should start considering the bigger players? Well, that's a question for every politician, but speaking specifically to women, you know, as a politician, generally, I don't even like to just gender, gender, genderize it or how do I call it. You want to be standing on a firm foundation. Look at what happened to me. You know, yes, I've run on this party before and I have been on the ballot, but you know, the way it went because of the, I mean, I just decided to do what they did. But it would be, there have been candidates from even the more established parties who have been excluded. You know, we all know the presidential elections is not every party that was on the ballot for that. You know, sometimes because of legal issues or whatever, it could happen. But I think that going forward, it is very important. But it's a two way, it's a two way thing. Yes, I agree with you. And I think that we should be in those more established parties because it provides a stronger platform to run on. They have more structure, this word, they have more, but it's a reality. There is more structure. There is more, of course, with INEC, it's harder for INEC to mess with them and all of that like that. But there's also the idea of the culture that has formed within that party. And would this allow us to get the best woman out at the end of the day? If there is a culture of impunity or lack of internal literacy, or what if the woman, they just even, what if she bought the ticket? We should still support her because she's a woman. What if she was, she has a godfather or godmother, somebody that just put her there, we should still support her just because she's a woman. So those double standards kind of exist. If Madame Binani had won, and I mean, I was rooting for her, I would have liked her too because I thought, okay, this woman looks good. But if there's a flaw with the system, should we say, oh, let them just give her job because she's a woman? Shouldn't the right thing be done? Shouldn't there be fair and credible elections? So I don't think we should just wish away those standards because we want to see. What are your thoughts on this special seats being designated for women, especially when the current assembly is saying, oh, maybe we don't have seats to give, and then women are saying, okay, you know. Why don't you just create your seats? What are your thoughts on this? So special seats and, well, so are you asking me about creating more seats for women? I think government is already too expensive to do more. To do more seats. So the cost of governance in Nigeria is too high. So when you add more seats, there's more constituency offices, more staff for the people, more allowance. So it's just going to blow the government more. But can we start with 35 percent? We have said 35 percent. That's a form of affirmative action. Let's even try with that one first. There's no need to have the assembly too bulky with too many seats. Let's work with what we have. So you said something about free and frank, free and credible elections. So a lot of people have accused, they said that it is impossible for political parties not to rig elections. Do you believe that? That even the party that, you know, that everybody say, oh, this is that they are, that all of them from top to bottom, they rig elections. Do you agree with that? Well, who is in political parties? It's people like you and me, people who make decisions, who take decisions. So it's not as if the party is just one abstract institution that would just rig. No. They have soldiers that they send out to smash followed boxes. They have agents that go out to pay people, you know, for their votes. They have masterminds who sit down and strategize the whole thing. So this is people like you and me. So until we reach the individual people and all somehow have a change of orientation, it will not be different. The party systems will still be this, you know, intrinsically corrupt until the people change their minds and people will never change their minds if there's no, if there's no consequences. So the law has to be enforced. People that are caught for electoral fraud and rigging and all that, they need to be persecuted. We need to see the full wrath of the law come upon them. That's how you would dissuade other people. But if we just say it and pay lip service to it, nothing is going to change, you know, people are still going to keep on doing what they're doing. Okay. Good evening, my dear beautiful sisters of what I say in hashtag ways. How can we get more women into seat of power? Firstly, they have to make themselves available to contest for positions in office. Then they can be voted for. Secondly, they need encouragement. Also, me personally, I have mentioned it so many times in my previous comments that women can deliver if given the chance to. Women generally are passionate for a change. The previous government promised us change for eight years and failed to deliver. If a woman was there, I'm sure there will be a change. Also, men can rig themselves into power where I don't think women will. I will personally vote a woman for the post of president. You ladies abandoned me last week. I was sad watching the program. My name is Daniel. Okay. How can we get more women into the seats of power? I believe women who want to be the seat of power should be very intentional about it. Just like freedom is not given but taken the same way women who want power should learn to wrestle for power. They should not come with the attitude of being pitied. They should come with confidence, boldness. Every seat of power that every seat of power requires. Women who seek for the seat of power should do so. We respect honor and integrity. They should learn to join any political party of their choice and work themselves up from there. We have women in different places of the world and those women did not have two heads, but won't like all the other women in the world. See that thing, you see? Respect honor and integrity. You know what? Nobody can win this argument. I say, after what has happened in this general election, nobody should tell me anything. We really need to marshal our strength. Yeah, we have to be strated. But if you had one final thing to say, because now there's a lot of disappointment in the air, and like you rightly said, it's not really about the political party. It was more of INEC. So INEC has really done a lot more damage than they can even evaluate. They don't know the extent of the damage yet until maybe 2027. They will know how far this went. So if you had anything to say to anybody, I love what you said about starting now. How do we start being strategic? I mean, as a woman that is out there or anybody that wants to go, that's really serious about getting into a seat of power. How do we start now? Join a political party first. And if you're already a member of a political party, I think in everything, every great venture starts with you first. You have to decide what it is you want, what is the value you are trying to offer. Don't just come out and say, I want to run for office because I'm a woman. Okay, what value are you bringing to the table? What will you be recognized for? When people are having a conversation about how they want to allocate power, where will your name come out? So you have to build that value, which is why you go into the party. Or even if it's not everybody can be a politician, some people may want to give value in their community just as a private sitting like I was doing in Lera or whatever. What is the area that you want to make a contribution? If you frame it that way, it will be easier for you to gravitate towards that platform or where it is that you know you can find value. So I think we should first of all start with our thinking. Let us start looking, let us start thinking in terms of what can I give, what contribution can I make, and what sort of opportunities should I engage with that would take me to the platforms that I need to get to. So now that they say we should go to our places, I should go and do it in the middle states. Nobody said you should go. Don't let it go. I should go and do it in the middle states. I should go and do it in the middle states. I should go and do it in the middle states. Because I am an adult there. But thank you so much. I think we had a fantastic conversation. Honestly, I just want to have a breath of fresh air going forward because I'm really tired. But thank you so much, ladies. Thank you, Tara. It's a fantastic conversation. Thank you, Chinelo and Adeela. Now, before we go, I show you follow-ups across all our social media handles that waste your Africa. 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