 All right, good morning, everybody. We're going to try to get started in here. So thanks for coming to our Warriors Corner. So I'm Jennifer Swanson. I work for AESOL. I am deaf to deaf, deaf to research, and deaf to English. Do two big reveals today, which I am very excited about. So I hope you guys are ready to hear the news. So we've been waiting for you guys. It's definitely me. So you've officially signed and released on Friday. So it is available. And it was closed signed by AESOL and R&D CIO. So this is not, you know, just an AESOL thing. This is a whole of R&D effort and approach to really implement a DMS across all of our programs, which is super exciting. So for us, it's super exciting because we've been working on this a long time. So I'm really happy to see you get out there. And of course, you know, UDRA data mesh in general really works well for our tactical environment in particular. It works well for all of you to reach back to, like, others. This is a decentralized distributed approach. You're not replicating everything all the time. And so you're not using up your precious bandwidth to do that. So it's definitely, we think, the right approach for New York. Along with that, you've heard me talk about the Innovation Exchange Lab that we have been working with DEVCOM C5ISR Center at APG. It is live. It is open. So we just really went live yesterday. We're going to see some information on how to get there and, you know, what do you do? It's really cloud-based, so you don't have to know anywhere. But there's some procedures if you're interested in participating. But we're very excited about that because C5ISR developed the first implementation of UDRA. And so it really is a place where industry can come. It's an IL-2 commercial capability. So we're trying to keep this as accessible as possible. So it's a place where industry can come, bring your solution, plug in your cases. We will take out our cases and just get feedback. The feedback is for you. It's not going anywhere. We're not doing anything with it. But I think it gives you guys a good idea of whether your solutions are compliant and if not, it's a business decision what you do about that. And for us, it gives us an idea of what products are out there that are going to be able to meet the need. Which really sets me up for the third and last topic to set up my CEOs here. So implementation is now happening, right? We have the improved architecture on the street. We have a lab to be able to test and find against that architecture. So we've been working closely with Mark and Bill to figure out how we centralize the procurement of the infrastructure that's going to be needed. Because we don't let every plan to go have to buy their own enrollment, right? So we're trying to do this in a smart way. And we still have work to do there. It's not like 100%. I'm not going to give you what that answer is today because I don't have it. But we're working very closely with these two gentlemen here to make that happen. And then, of course, for new programs, baking in UDRA compliance is now happening. And we're working on, are there legacy programs out there that we need to really worry about? And so that is part of the work that we are still doing. But anyway, exciting day for us. We thank you guys for all of your help. So I am now going to turn it over to Bill Hepworth, CEO EIS to talk a little bit more about what's going on. Thank you. And I want to basically reiterate that this is an exciting time that we're able to get to this point now, where we can really talk about getting the Army a data platform that is scalable, that doesn't require a very large list and that everybody can buy into fairly inexpensively converted and done fast. So the EIS, I've got the POR to build out UDRA in particular for the enterprise side, business, business, business area in particular. And it's a good fit because we've got a lot of data across a lot of the business business area, including personnel, logistics, or management, meaning we're all under the map in terms of all the data we've got. And we're going to be starting, actually, we're technically going to be starting with our CEO, Mike Chappell, who's under the name of our program teams for all of our Newstart programs to make sure that they're building a services interface on top of the systems from day one. Now, the rationale behind that is that we want to get out of the point-to-point connection business, which is, as everybody probably here knows, frequently of the late times in a lot of projects getting the SLA solved and then the light-listing and all those issues are out of the pool. So we're already moving, I'd say, spiritually forward with every one of our programs and we'll be looking for opportunities to go back and try to find a way to actually modernize those systems into a data mesh component platform. But over the next year, we're going to look to try to find a way to accelerate the advent of data mesh. So what we're going to be doing is looking to see what our CEO, Mike Chappell, can take the opportunity to start building out capabilities in concert with the USC-15, especially on the tactical side and what we want to do is jointly develop these capabilities, almost as a single capability with different focal points. So for those of you who have the data mesh documentation, I think we're on version 4, which is this. Well, 1.0 is going to officially go on release. We're on version 80 billion, but 1.0 is what's on the screen. Exactly, exactly. So if you haven't read it, it is going to read because it really talks about how to set up the actual data architecture but also has to discuss it on the data mesh. And you will see, I think, a very different army about the way we build systems. And we're very excited that we'll be leading the charge on that. As such, again, we've taken an uncharacteristic move here in that this particular TV will be reporting directly to our CIO and CDAO to make sure that this goes off without a hitch. So, you're excited? You don't want to do this. Awesome, thank you, Bill. So, I'll start by introducing myself, Mark Hitz, I'm the P.E.O. for the army's network. And I wanted to start by embarrassing Jen a little bit. You know, AUSA is hard enough, right? It should be done in sneakers. And she's killing it right here. So, I hope this is a trend-setting thing. We've got to make this more of a thing, I think. So, I don't know if you've seen any pictures of fashion news, but it's been a thing for a while now, Mark. White sneakers, not just sneakers. I couldn't keep sneakers that white. That just wouldn't happen. So, one thing Bill talked about was making the data mesh a program around data. And that's a big deal. It's a big deal because now it's congressionally identified as a program. Which, for us, industry and government, it means that real money can get applied so that it becomes a real thing. We at POC3T have been doing data fabric plus activities for the last three years as sort of a, and also another part of our job. And so why I share Bill's excitement is that we are actually going to do a tactical data mesh program starting in FY26 that's going to be appropriated as a separate program. We can tactically issue, we can tactically get to UDRA compliance, and we can service out data regardless of a new or legacy application. We can get to a tactical way to build our data mesh. To me that's really important because we're always going to have our legacy applications. Or at least we're always going to be in some process of off-boarding our legacy applications. We're always going to be looking at the next generation of data platform or next generation of C2 application. Next generation of you name that mission command application. Now having a foundational capability where we can tactically invest in our data. Today it's a data mesh. Tomorrow it might be some other way we service out data. But having some way, some investment portfolio dedicated towards our data I think is really exciting. It should be exciting for industry. Because we also pose a really unique challenge with our somewhat sometimes connected environment. It is really different from the commercial application of a data fabric today. And so I think it's both a real exciting opportunity because it is real. And it provides a unique sort of challenge to industry. And so what does that mean for you? Here at TEM 12 there will be a topic. An actual solicitation around our data mesh, around our data fabric. Or I call it a fabric plus. We get towards a data mesh. Actual solicitation for you to bid against. And for us to look at actual implementations of a tactical data mesh. Like Jen said an actual reference implementation has been announced. So that we can measure openness. We can measure industry's ability to get after a tactical data mesh. I think that's really exciting. I encourage you to come to TEM 12. We're going to be doing one-on-one sessions. We'll be doing a TEM topic announcement. And then hopefully award a contract within six months of TEM 12. I think really exciting. I think a lot of discussion now about the army. About the next generation of our command and control applications. At the foundation of the next generation of our C2 is how we service data. And how we provide to our tactical application. So really excited on both fronts. I think a great opportunity for both industry and the government to get after our next generation a way to handle data. I'd also say that we can't service that data without investments in our tactical infrastructure. And so you're going to hear the army talk a lot about CMOS and open standards of CMOS. And you're going to talk and the under talked about this this morning which is our at service model for SACOM, radios and IT. And so how we're piloting out our radios and our network as a service is another opportunity for us in industry to come to a relationship in what is means to how we buy the future of the IT infrastructure that will service out this data. And with that I think I'll conclude and I look forward to your questions. So I'll just close by saying again this has been a process for us with industry's feedback and we really really appreciate all the feedback we got because without that we wouldn't be where we are. We would not have something that I think we're all confident is implementable and controllable which was critical from the start. So thank you. I know it takes time to do that. I appreciate all the time we have to see investing. Just to kind of follow up on one thing that Mark mentioned. So the openness please is please for the Army and you know MOSA, you're going to hear a lot more about MOSA this year from us who talks about MOSA. UDRA is MOSA for data. I mean that really is what it is. So it provides that architecture that all vendors can build into and we can compete things and have multiple vendors because there's something to build into which frankly is something that is ultimate but we didn't have this. So this is the first. There will be more but you know we're kind of we're transiting here. Kind of like my white sneakers. But this is I think definitely the way to inspire competition and be able to really build a network that is integrated from a start and put it all together on the back. Do you want me to put one more point on that? So while the funding hits and we've got a plan for 2006 that's a bit involved because a lot industry can do this now. And in all of your solutions make sure you're following at least the industry open standards like Prodata, OpenAPI and micro services. Those are all things that will help us start getting on the path. And even as you're like running out solutions in the next year or two also keep giving us the feedback about how you see it evolving. So we'll have a status team of butterflies out there as we operationalize this. But we really need your help. That's going to be key for industry to give us your best guidance on how to move this forward even as we're working on this long term. But we'll be further away from that. Yeah one of the real opportunities to exactly at what Bill is talking about is we're about to release an opportunity for 1012 around API orchestration in a tactical environment. So a lot of our openness is defined by how we get after APIs, how we define APIs and how we evolve those APIs. And so we're interested in industry's thoughts using UDRA as sort of a foundation how do you propose getting after orchestrating these APIs in a data mesh environment that is a real opportunity we're going to have here in 1012 which is a foundational investment for us in getting after this data mesh. So if anybody has questions I think we might have... Thank you all for putting on this and talking about the data mesh today. I think it is super excited about this. How does the contract vehicle change for a silver phase 3 company like ours with the open API's entrance on your timeline to 2026? Is that short or short? So I think it's shortened I do. It puts everybody on an even foundation and so you guys don't have to guess and we don't have to guess. So to me it's shortened. I'd say whatever contract vehicle we have we have to be able to iterate and adapt and it can't be static in certain times and so as we evolve our APIs, as we evolve our solution and you evolve your solution as a phase 3 we've got to do our contract smartly so that we can adapt over the future. I think that's key for us. Quick question for the threat on Zero Trust. Is that baked in natively or is that part of what really evolved as the solicitation perspective? So I mean speaking from the UDRA perspective Zero Trust is certainly baked in. Now solutions are still evolving so we will have to obviously fit solutions into that architecture but Zero Trust is clearly the way the army and the UDRA are heading. I'm a bit of a cynic so I apologize for that. Zero Trust is something I have trouble defining which goes back to the point I made earlier is that as we define Zero Trust as we iterate on Zero Trust I mean I've seen some definition of Zero Trust that I could never afford in my entire portfolio. I think we've got to smartly iterate Zero Trust after the pillars as they apply to our programs and I think foundational to that is a relationship between industry and the government that can adapt over time. That is not static contract with deliverables that are static over time but we can iterate in a much more agile fashion. Yeah so there are pieces so we're working right now with the PEOs to align all of the pillars of Zero Trust with what is really executable especially in Mark's world right. So at the enterprise I think it's really easy. In the tactical environment we always have constraints so there are going to be things that we aren't able to get to and so it's really going to be about what are the things that we can implement in the tactical environment. Clearly we're all you know we want to be as cyber secure as we possibly can so but it's not going to be 100% Yeah and another interesting thing about when you're talking about Zero Trust necessarily it's probably part of the fabric because you can have partial Zero Trust in any way that it allows so that's kind of the way that we're approaching things to get an equity as we are the architecture coming through PEOIS we're making sure that we're making that real time and that's certainly going to be a company. What is your contract start to get into a new company? What is your best time the day after award but in seriousness we are today we're soliciting for unified network operations my expectation is that we do award based on what capability you have today now I'll help you get to ATO I'll help you get to sort of these Zero Trust principles but you know in areas where I think there's clarity in the commercial industry you know we should be able to bring an MVP to bear very very quickly and unified network operations is an example ICAM is another example right it's not rocket science for commercial industry to do identity access management right so how do we leverage a commercial product and adapt it over time I hope is that where we can adapt these commercial products that we're very quickly getting to MVPs so one of the big pillars too is to really build this thing out using good old fashioned hydro as our approach that we're not going to try to build every aspect of it in day one we're probably going to do something simple like focus on registry aspects so we can get that for the quick easy way to get that up in the environment ATO and then we'll roll up in there but I can assure you we will not use a big manual and try to take every single requirement and roll it out and we'll save one year but it can go for years so hopefully we're talking year time frame not multi year hopefully I think we will Good morning Ted Dellings with Neal Sock Defining API Platform The Defense Foundation Board in February I believe published a paper about creating a big economy mentioning integrations and APIs but one thing they addressed is the cultural change needed for system owners and authority to data source owners to be willing to unlock to change the culture to share data as opposed to reporting it this is a great announcement but is there also an equal effort being applied to changing the culture of the data homes? Yeah so we're and so you heard me say it's not just ASOL right it's also now CIL and CDO and so they've been helping us with the functional community that owns the data to be able to make sure that everybody is kind of on the same page so I do think we've evolved I saw the DIP report they talked to a lot of people so I think that's kind of a roll up of a lot of feedback I don't think that's really specific to Norney I think we've evolved a lot in the last two years but culture is always the culture is slow to change and we're doing a lot of things that are different than they were two years ago so that does take a little bit of time to catch up but I'm pretty confident that we're going to be able to get there we're actually leading implementation of a 100 day user plan right now for Mr. Vang which includes the logistics community and user pack and others to really be able to demonstrate using users and data owners what the power of users is going to be so I think that that will go a long way to be able to try to show others what we've done the other thing to consider too is that the very concept of what we're trying to do with UDRA and data mesh is the idea is federated from that side way and every bit as much as it took us a considerable amount of time to go down the Azure Transformation Packway this will be the same but I think when you look at the federated model I think it kind of reduces the anxiety about when you're data because the data owners will be distributed through our data here so I think naturally the approach we're taking to show you how to bring down some of the barriers that you need to protect the data and ultimately when you start really grading the teams and how well you say they are not necessarily how well you protected your opinion sorry I didn't do as many about the several but to the API question I was texting my son who's the one who's new to our data scientist and so we were texting and he was like hey let me have a he's got a solution up there with HR hey you had me as HR data scientist sounds great he just became the thing all in all in but to the API you've read the Bezos method for Amazon in the beginning to make everybody work with their APIs don't try and go around because going around with weak points and around the API you end up giving up your data like the weak points you have side-by-side to besides what I'm going to link you up with in after this second to the I think the weak point generally between what you're talking about there's a change in having a centralized use of data instead of protecting data there are also weak points in between and what started to be a while back if you guys considered a moving toward an offense as the integrator between the data and the data service normally in the start back I was a soft guy and I used to like to hop and trip around and fix some good kind of crazy things to send things to people there are companies out there that automated that process because normally I could be able to do that in an offense industry to tip it down a virtual instance to vary the process that you're talking about is costly to do that for a single network that I used to run would probably be three or four million dollars a year every time you stand up four to seven cuts you know that kind of stuff in between instances that has to be done manually currently everywhere else is done manually but there are companies out there that automate the process but what that does is you can't use the WAN to provide you with the security two virtual instances that are only up for the time that you need you guys ought to continue I'll amplify one point that you made which is the tactical implementation of a data mesh is so unique to how the commercial industry would implement a data mesh and the cost model really scares me it really scares me I can't license every edge instance of an army to do a data mesh I can't afford that model and so we have to work together to come to how the army could implement a mesh in an edge environment that we honestly can afford oh, in the right I'll say that in the morning I played it with ASRC federal so innovation exchange labs awesome first off do you own the gatekeeping and do you know what the adjudication of usage because I imagine this can be super popular and is it first come first serve is there a value based how's that going to work and is there a time limit you get in for a certain time do you have to get out to get other people so that those can get in and actually use that yeah, so the T5ISR center Devcom is doing this on our behalf gatekeepers there's a process if you go to Nilfer it's IXL.com IXL.ORME.NIL sorry, yeah okay it's right behind me there's a process that tells you exactly what you have to do as far as it's not first come first serve we are kind of bucketing what we're most interested in first and that'll be, that's available and so it's really trying to align solutions to our biggest gaps right, so I think everybody will get in but it's not going to be just a free-for-all and what was your last question sorry yeah that's that yeah yeah I mean we'll care but yes I mean it'll be aligned to the biggest gaps first so if there's something that we're not as interested in it it might come a little bit later but I think there's going to be a robust dialogue with industry over time so as there are contract solicitations that Bill and I are putting on the street that includes your components that we're going to offer the opportunity for you to prove compliance or shape your investment so it's not going to be a static you are or you are not in the lab kind of thing one more question here, Jonathan you mentioned that starting out with impact level impact level 2 focus is there a future growth into other impact levels for the future? so we're working on IL-5 now we started with IL-2 and I'm just talking about the implementation the implementation is on IL-2 because frankly it reduces the barrier for entry for industry and so IL-5 would make it much harder but we are moving to IL-5 now as well so that we can for your time appreciate you guys coming and thanks for everything ladies and gentlemen can you hear me? can you hear okay? I'll try to be really loud I usually don't have a problem with volume this morning well good morning warrior corner I'm Don Stewart from the program executive office for simulation training and instrumentation I work in the project manager office for cyber test this morning we are going to talk multi-domain operations with a focus on experimentation testing and training we're going to narrate through a couple videos that we did down in Orlando in the fall at the inter-service industry training expo that is annually held down there and we're going to show the key integration efforts of three systems all in the CT2 portfolio but before that again I want to introduce my tag team partners from STRI helping me this morning will be Miss Jennifer Gillum she is the assistant product manager for XLCC the expeditionary live virtual command center program that program is the key POR driving ATEX requirements for operational testing for developmental testing for operational assessments and demonstrations her partner back there on the computer is Mr. Dave Amarillo he's the XLCC product director and to Jen's right is Mr. Troy Bedsol from the Redstone's threat system management office all part of PMCT2 and I actually just roll off the intelligence and electronic warfare tactical proficiency trainer program but integrating these programs to reduce risk for ATEX as we look to test and then ultimately we have to train modernized kit so in our time together again as I said we're going to walk through two we're going to narrate through two videos and just show what we're doing to support and build a multi domain operational testing and training environment and as I said this is key when we're delivered then we've got to train it so we'll do that at the division and core home station sites and the combat training centers and that really feeds into the AUSA theme this morning of providing continuous transformation to deliver combat ready forces so with that I'm going to turn it over to Ms. Jen to talk you through our first scenario good morning everyone it's great to be here I look forward the opportunity to speaking with you today on multi domain operations and what we're doing at the CT2 PM office so I will take a short video just to talk through how our three programs of record work together and then I'll hand it over to Mr. Bedsell to go through an actual scenario on how we will actually execute so to start the cyber test and training and is working with ATAC to reduce risk for developmental and operational test community by providing a multi domain live virtual constructive environment and we're going to be doing this using our federated systems of systems solution so the quote on the slide talks about how when you control the spectrum you'll control the future fight and that's key in what we're trying to accomplish the Army's modernization new efforts are creating more complex systems with advanced sensors and interoperability requirements this is requiring us to have to come up with new innovative ways for testing and training some of these future programs that we'll be supporting include long range precision sensors intelligent systems future vertical lift counter UAS and directed energy hypersonics and electronic warfare so our three programs of record are used to create this future operating environment starting with the expeditionary live virtual and constructive command center this will be the overall modern control for the MDO environment it's deployed with it's deployed with simulations including IEW TPP ONSAP and EXIS so XLCC performs the LVC force on force adjudication for real time casualty effects the RTCA and interfaces with the threat battle command force TBCF so IEW TPP drives the multi-intelligence and EW critical tasking that simulating validated EW threats for a synthetic electromagnetic environment while TBCF provides the live threats with situational awareness for our up for commander integrating real world and EW threats so the 3D depiction that we're about to go through here is going to show you how these three systems work together so starting with IEW TPP you'll see simulated intelligence and this will be depicted by the green dots XLCC pushes data bidirectional providing real time feedback for the scenario and the RTCA and this is shown by the white dots as the exercise control TBCF is the live threat data with EW effects and this is shown by the red dots you'll soon see some red arrows that show the threat intelligence this threat intelligence data and live blue force sensors collect against the live and the virtual threats this is shown by the blue dots so the synchronization of LBC ISR and EW systems translates into the scenario which informs this complex analysis for our future systems as you see this data flowing across the systems it's creating that future operating environment just monitoring and control and that critical decision driven data so really these three systems together is giving us that ATEX contested congested environment that we need for our future systems so that is how our programs work together let's go ahead and walk through a scenario we'll hand this perfect thank you thank you Jim and LBC will be how we test there's not enough live kit out there to populate the test centers that are out there we have to do this in an LBC environment so to do that everything requires a scenario whether it's testing or training that's what we'll do so you're going to see as we move forward a series of quad charts as we move through a very simplistic scenario so this kicks off for Troy when he comes back up here and then he will walk you through the scenario totally this is going to build for just a minute another few seconds we learned this lesson a long time ago with IEWTPT in order to train intel individual crew and collective tasks that were decoupled from the larger constructive SEM exercise right we needed a tool to do that so you're going to see in our scenario these are IEWTPT tools so we have a scenario where the hostile forces are coming from the west this is central Florida we did this again as I said US forces then began RSONI reception staging onward movement and integration from the vicinity of Port Canaveral partnering with their mission partners and joint forces to regain the territory from the hostile movement from the west we have simulated UAS air there mission partner forces in what we're calling AO bear in the vicinity of the convention center and we have our scouts you see the blue scout icon there providing overwatch on the convention center again more blue UAS that can provide FMV full motion video and surveillance into AO bear another scout represented there just north of the airfield and then there's and as it pans back into the scenario you'll see again the blue forces in the east with high Mars artillery to be able to answer direct support calls for fire from those scouts on high value targets identified in AO bear so I think with that Troy come on up and he will lead you and guide you through what each system will show in this simplistic scenario morning everybody so yeah we're going to walk through an actual scenario XLCC is in the top left TBCF which is the up four is in the top right and IWTD is in the bottom left so we'll start with the live blue systems that are on the bottom left that are depicted in IWTBT that information is obviously passed up to XLCC to be the white cell you actually have a lot red systems that are picking up the blue dots are showing up are live systems picking up live blue force communications they're working on triangulation communication and making sure that they're actually locating where these systems need to be that'll actually pass over to XLCC as well where you can see information being picked up for the white cells so the XLCC can show both blue and red as the global white cell here the XLCC is also collecting all the data for monitor control and future AR enabling and that so now that you've identified they've triangulated they're moving towards an actual jammer event with the up four in TBCF as you can see TBCF is going through its modes and actually selecting waveform power level the azimuth and direction of the jam and the waveform that needs to happen and the frequency it selects all these it can full remote control all of this is actually going to be passed over once it's stated to XLCC so your white cell can look at locations, information entity state both blue and red it gets the full picture going across the the connection here and then once it connects and actually rotates to the correct azimuth you'll begin jamming and you'll note this on both the top two screens you can note that the the cone is showing up on TBCF with your propagation model it showed up on XLCC for a little bit as it was showing its direction and everything note here the virtual systems on IEWTPT the virtual ISRs are picking up live transmissions this actually completes the whole MDO and LVC environment so we have a live system jamming from TBCF XLCC is picking up all this data and doing the adjudication and allowing IEWTPT to see live communications and pick it up virtually so that actually has an effective jam and we can show all the data that's happening right now on the top left and then this rolls into an actual event that we're going to do now where the system is still jamming the IEWTPT system will actually send out a live observance force which will actually pick up a full notion video so he's tasking this and it's going to send out a system to pick up visual confirmation of the red force jamming event to try to go to a full task missile fly out and actually do detonation so you can see it's actually showing full motion video XLCC is actually collecting some of the data and XLCC is initiating that targeting process so what would happen is your blue force on the ground the live systems would call for fire your white cell would say I approve this call for fire virtually of course and then it will target this so you have a virtual high mars sending out a virtual missile and it's actually zoomed in with the full motion video and you'll see a virtual detonation what to note here though is as soon as that happens you'll see that TBCF has gotten the adjudication so TBCF will kill the feed to the system as you can see it's done the OP4 operator does not know why it happened it doesn't know what happened he just knows he's lost feed it is virtually dead he will no longer have control on this for training this is something that has not happened and this is this is brand new to the OVC systems and the PEO STRI MDO team is we've never had live and virtual being able to play in this arena before so everything here you can see has been updated and now the OP4 has to fight without that system so that concludes this video I'm going to patch over to Don to close out and then we'll talk a little bit more so again this is a powerful powerful set of integration and this tool is going to drive multi-intelligence intel it's going to drive test training it's going to support home station sites but mainly the test centers you know EPG, IEWTD and we're teaming with Fort Wachuka in a series of experimentations this was built off of what was called Vanguard 23 that we did last year we're prepping for Vanguard 24 now the final planning conference I'm going in a couple weeks so we will continue to mature this effort to be able to support multi-domain operational kit that's coming down on ATEC schedule so let's go to a little bit of Vanguard 24 concept or you want to talk a little bit about this sure I was asked to kind of brief our concept on Vanguard it's pretty blurry on this one but the main point that we're trying to say is we've proven out what our goal is at the end of the MDO roadmap and how we're getting there is we are incrementally testing and building and testing constantly and we're using multiple events across multiple years and a testbed at Fort Wachuka this first slide is the Vanguard 24 concept it'll happen in September of this year and the main concept is they're proving out distributed testing they'll be testing out at White Sands Fort Cavassos Plias with the headquarters being at Fort Wachuka the MDO team will have the full LVC suite you see on this banner and we've talked about here as well as numerous live threats and all of this will be integrated and we'll be able to participate in the larger event if anybody's out at Vanguard and Fort Wachuka in September feel free to contact any of us here and we can help you come out and get an actual hands-on experience and lastly the testbed at Fort Wachuka is the enabler to this is we are bringing our prototype systems we're bringing the prototype software and we're doing regression testing on all the equipment out there and we're making sure it's mature enough to meet the final deliverables at the end of the calendar year so this testbed is actually going to have stakeholders across Wachuka IWTD we also have EPG we have ICOE we have distributed testing available here and it's also OTC and ATEC are heavily involved as well so there's a lot of stakeholders in this and this is going to be a great asset that we can start using while we're out at Wachuka so this will be kind of the premier facility at least the PEO STRI MDO team that you can come and see anytime we're in Wachuka we'll have a permanent ground there and that concludes my portion so thank you very much that we are rounds complete for MDO and LVC environments so we'll open it up for questions do we have time for any of that 10 more minutes okay and we'll be around all day I know this is probably a little hard to see all icons but we're around the rest of the day okay great thanks for your time ladies and gentlemen welcome to the Warriors Corner our next presenter will start at 11.30 the topic for this one is driving equipment and facility readiness in the United States Army Reserve presented by Major General Harder gentlemen welcome to the Warriors Corner we'll go ahead and get started with our next presenter Major General Harder we'll talk about driving equipment and facility readiness in the United States Army Reserve our everybody else was quiet earlier good to go Bob Harder commanding general Army Reserves 81st Readiness Division we're going to talk a little bit about the challenges we're having in the Army Reserves I'm hoping that some of these big brains here can help us solve that but of course our number one challenge remains recruiting and retention right so I got a real short video we'd like to play we'll play the video and then we'll get on with the brief I'll take about 15-20 minutes and hopefully get some questions so go ahead whoever's on the video G6 G6 get on with the brief that's okay we can pull it up at the end okay so that'd be good next slide I've only got I had the video with five slides five slides so first let me orient you a little bit to how the Army Reserve does business right so 28 commands kind of reporting up to the three-star 21 functional commands that's where a lot of our deployable capacity resides by the way we are largely enabling capacity for the United States Army and I see a bunch of battle buddies here again Steve Austin Steve Austin but a lot of TS a lot of sustain formations a lot of logistics formations engineers medical unfortunately a lot of lawyers in our formation but very very capable attorneys so we provide a lot of that enabling capacity that's in those 21 functional commands our geographic commands of those seven geographic there's really four that I'm going to talk about today and those are the readiness divisions I command the 81st readiness division the shaded areas on that map readiness division footprints so with a readiness division the United States Army Reserve we're kind of like a combination of INCOM and AMC so I manage all the Army Reserve facilities for example in my footprint and I also run some direct support maintenance operations in my footprint for those units that can't take care of their equipment themselves so I just kind of want to orient you to how we operate you know where you see our forces there 190,000 soldiers strong probably closer to 180 right now but we're getting after that over 2,000 units across the globe so you can go to the next slide please so this is my footprint so this is the 81st readiness division and as you can see here in my footprint I've only got about 2,000 soldiers wearing my Wildcat patch right and by the way I am not out of uniform with this Wildcat patch right there is the 81st infantry division that stood up 1917 Camp Jackson, South Carolina where we still are today or Jackson, deployed into World War 1 and we were the first unit ever authorized to patch so the 81st is not and that's a story of another day we have to share that but we don't have a share of AGS news so I'm not out of uniform but in my footprint 250 facilities I've got 110 army reserve centers I've got about 50,000 army reserve soldiers operating in my footprint most of those soldiers you know they deploy they fight, they win, they return and I'm responsible for maintaining most of their equipment so the way we do business in my footprint I've got 8 equipment concentration sites those are a little bit like the mates Army National Guard mates as you know the army reserve with our dispersion we only do battle assembly most of these kids are only out there once a month for 2 or 3 days so I've got 80% of their equipment in my 8 equipment concentration sites places like Fort Liberty, Fort Knox Fort Moore you see a mark on the map there with the cross the cross wrenches out of Fort Johnson we're moving one from Fort Novicell down to Gainesville we're moving one from Vicksburg up in a partnership with Mississippi National Guard to Camp Shelby so I had 80% of the equipment for those 50,000 soldiers operating in my AO in those equipment concentration sites now what I'm going to show you is I'm just going to be transparent I've briefed this to General Poppes maybe 5 or 6 months ago as I'm trying to get my head around this beast and the challenges that we're having with equipment maintenance what we're doing to get after it and where maybe there's some big brains in this room that can help us out I'm also the senior commander of Fort Buchanan, Puerto Rico so for that army base down there and as the 81st commander I serve as the senior commander down there next slide please so I come on board as the 81st commander and I'm trying to get out and I'm trying to visit some of these maintenance sites that I have make sure I understand what the challenges are and so these are, you know, just being transparent here are some pictures of some of the challenges that I initially saw that we're dealing with not in the ferries everybody's working hard trying to get after what they need to get after but the way my equipment concentration sites are manned they're manned with army reserve civilians that are military technicians so a military technician in the army reserve in order to beat that army civilian we must also have membership there must be a soldier in the United States in the army reserve so every one of my mechanics in my equipment concentration sites are in the army reserve and so that soldier can get mobilized and then I lose the mechanic that soldier can get deployed and I lose the mechanic right soldiers doing what soldiers do and serving the nation but that is a challenge I'm also only funded about 50% of the requirement not whining not complaining to state and fact so what has started to happen in my equipment concentration sites where I have over 60,000 pieces of equipment is that my mechanics are focused almost exclusively on 5 meter targets do I have a unit that's getting ready to deploy do I have a unit that's going to NTC do I have a formation that is on the contingency response force means you have to respond to something that might pop up do I have something in the C2 CRE enterprise the decontamination operations in support of the homeland that's what we've been focused on and I was walking through one of these motor pools and I came upon a bunch of petroleum transportation petroleum transportation company basically worth of equipment in the motor pool bunch of tractors, a bunch of 5k tankers didn't look that much different this had some flat tires I said when is the last time equipment was serviced when is the last time we touched this we probably haven't touched this in 11 months say my mechanics maybe we can get the unit on battle their battle assembly to come to my ECS site of their proximity but we haven't touched it and I said what are we doing what are we doing so I just came from the presentation the CMF that we just did on precision sustainment Michelle got me there she was actually at a form I was at last week the reserve component it has 100% of bulk fuel line haul capacity for the United States Army 100% was either in the guard or the army reserve 90% it's in the army reserve those tankers are the bulk fuel capacity that I was looking at in the motor pool 20 tankers 60 tractors but they weren't on C2CRE they weren't going to NTC they weren't part of SERF so they hadn't been touched just because I don't have the manpower to get after and one of the uniqueness with the G Army system we got a battle buddy here Brian Brown with the big giant brain that works on G Army used to work on G Army is if equipment hasn't been serviced or even touched it doesn't get deadline so in the system that truck company looked like it was about 90% FMC now the G Army won't allow you to dispatch it if you try to dispatch you got a TI you got to inspect it then you find everything so I'm like what picture are we paying for our senior leaders harder is the suing risk that's not mine to assume not mine to assume so on the right there again, transportation company this was a unit it wasn't on any patch chart and they got notification that in 6 months they had to be imported so we had the mass on target what do you think we found report 95% closer is not 15% like it was probably closer to 45% I had to ship mechanics there we're trying to get parts on it we got it done but that is the slide I briefed to general popis force count commander I said sir I got one out the door in 6 months all hands on deck if something goes south in a big way and you need 10 I think I'm assuming some risk for you sir if it's not mine to assume so I got crystal clear guidance from general popis there really is no other kind of guidance that comes from general popis and it was to get it hey go ahead and start eating your stuff but we went to one ECS actually the 104 Nova cell and I pushed all my mechanics there and we inspected every ounce of equipment and we found most units were reported 85-90 probably closer to 55 probably closer to 55% this is the worst case of these pictures I'm showing you but that's the problem set that's the problem set now we're helping ourselves now we're trying to get after this ourselves but we're trying to figure and the resourcing is what it is I tell my team no one's going to walk into our headquarters with bags of cash and start throwing it at us we got to figure this out right we got to figure this out we're soldiers so kind of combining with this problem set if you go to the next slide are my facilities right so I've got the equipment side but we're also managing facilities in our footprint like I said 59 army reserve facilities I have spread throughout the southeast in Puerto Rico about 110 of those are army reserve centers most of them are 40 to 50 years old during the southeast with that weather the humidity the storms HVACs and roofs are just killing me we're trying to work recruiting retention is a big thing and I'm putting kids in some lousy places and they've got 20% of their equipment right a lot of them not close to a range what you see on that bar chart you don't have to read the numbers but I'll explain it to you in Compa 1 has exactly the problem I actually become a teammate it's my time at AMC by the way I was at AMC so I'll speak back here in Huntsville anybody wants to talk more about this later I'm very familiar with Yellowhammer very familiar with Yellowhammer not uncomfortable in the presence of a fine logger it was a General Dempsey's quote so we have the blue line the blue bars are the requirement to sustain what we need to sustain those facilities orange bars are what we're getting the fuchsia line whatever color that is is the backlog that continues to build so I got about a $1.4 billion backlog just my AO for facility maintenance probably $4 billion across the army reserve I think Compa 1 has closer to $100 billion in our headquarters and start throwing bags of money at us so what can we do how do we start to get after this next slide please anyway what I have told my team let me make sure I'm on time here what I have told my team is there's no idea right now that it's too radical there's no idea that it's too crazy the army needs what we have they are not going to be able to Compa 1 is not going to reform restructure they're going to need all the capacities we're going to bear so how do we get after this problem this is anyway there's an operational training center up at Fort Drum we partner with 10th Mountain Army Reserve we go up there a proposal we're looking at to tee up for my boss and General Daniels we need to get away from this Army Reserve model we have reserve centers in every town and just having this dispersed formation we take the center of their equipment they can't touch 90% of it can't go to ranges there maybe we need to start looking at these training complexes where we can build barracks where we have ranges where maybe instead of 8 ECSs in my footprint I've got 3 but I've masked all my mechanics there are locations where soldiers can come in stay in barracks, draw weapons drive their equipment get trained, use AVGs whatever it is they need to do and we get away from this thought process of having Army Reserve centers in every small town in America maybe we partner with the Guard doesn't even know how to have presence right in Army Reserve center we've got a couple in the fight 50 to 65 million to build the money is just not there I can't maintain what I got so this is something that we're looking to propose a couple other things that we're doing in the Army Reserve obviously we have a lot of that mechanics and maintenance companies in our formation so now we're starting to bring those maintenance companies hey you're not going to go out to just a local field problem and big fighting positions you're going to come to one of my ECS sites you're going to set up your top whatever you got we'll help get you to the range but you're going to start turning wrenches that's what you're trained to do and that's what we need to do so we're doing that actually in July with two maintenance companies we're going to come to Fort Jackson do their AT at Fort Jackson in one of my ECS locations that'll be a test bay we have an engineer battalion that's going to kind of test this out one of our concerns was Army Reserve soldiers won't travel that far I think the statutory limit is 150 miles we're supposed to assign them, dictate they're not going to travel 400 miles even if we pay for it I'm like I'm not sure if they get off some training I think they will especially we're covering it and we can put them in barracks we can have some virtual touch points with them between battle assemblies we can lease space in small time America to make sure we maintain contact again we partner with our Army National Guard teammates but this is one of the ways ahead we're looking at just to try to solve this problem and my last slide unless we've got the video ready so again you've seen a lot of these thoughts from General Georgia and Chief one of the things we're working some policy I told you about my military technicians the criteria for employment as a mill tech is you have to be a Army Reserve soldier what we have in policy and it's insane is that once that soldier hits 20 years of service and can retire from the Army Reserve even though they may not draw the retirement check to like 60 they lose their employment and so some of them stay longer than 20 and I love to retire and then I'm losing my most experienced it's like the shop foreman's are all leaving and so we're working with the Guard to maybe come up with a can I have a mill tech emeritus policy where that soldier can stay in the Army maybe muster once a year and maintain their mill tech status we have waivers if you've been combat wounded in theater and you were a mill tech you get to stay a mill tech you're no longer a member of the Army Reserve because you get medically boarded out for combat wounded so there's a pathway there that's one thing we're looking at I've had some other folks ask me one of the things John Poppins brought up was hey should we just take all your reserve equipment and put it in like APS bonus or Bill Pankas sites we have a big target and probably still need to train on some of that but there's some of that thought process a lot of our stuff isn't modernized so that's a challenge and then the last point I'll make on this slide some of my teammates have said hey shouldn't we put some equipment forward Army Reserve into those theaters where we might most likely be deployed so we don't have to get it there the challenge from an Army Reserve perspective very few of our formations are regionally aligned we're globally available again 100% of the patrolling transportation capacity for the United States Army is in the reserve component so we're working again not lying hoping to get some good questions some big brains come up and engage we're starting to get after this help ourselves but we're trying to get a different way to do business to deliver what is required by the nation this is to have these young men and women and their formations and their equipment ready to go because if something happens Army Reserve soldiers are going the Army has made that decision so that's all I got unless my video works G6 alright I started with recruiting retention just show this real quick the young Army Reserve soldiers we can get this to work happy to take notes but does anybody have any comments and or questions for them sir, obviously you have a robust system for taking care of your vehicles what are you doing for your maintenance as far as those motorways and how you're upgrading that so we partnered with most of those most of my ECS concentrations so it's our active component installations which works great so we partnered with the garrison teams we started some of that stuff excess we've turned that in Camp 1 garrison like with 4 Knox has been fantastic and for more we've cleared out a lot of space so I've given the mission to my team my engineer team and my G4 team but we just got to solve that so we're getting after that internally with some contracting actions and then trying to use some internal assets to get after it general how are you addressing obsolescence looks like you address the manpower piece consolidate people for a higher throughput but with that you have obsolete equipment you don't have the defense industrial base to support it what is the message you're taking to industry for parts and supply thanks for that question we get almost all of our equipment and 99% of it flows down to Camp 1 through standard procurement processes we are now the chief and everybody sees and it's happening especially on the guard side where hey you've got to modernize Campos 2 and 3 just like you modernize Campo 1 because we're all in this together so there's some changes that are happening there we have a 4th loss of the guard have access to Negria the national guard reserve and so we do have a separate I think this last year was $155 million to go out and work our own procurement and it can be on class 7 type stuff it can be on radios and technologies to kind of help us but it just barely scratches the itch when you start looking at the 915 tractors they have their 2 generations behind so we've articulated that risk they still work they may work better than some of the new stuff I think half of my stuff would survive an EMP I'm not sure there's any electronics in we might be the last last Campo standard but we are a part of what our team makes in Campo 1 anybody else have any questions or comments alright I appreciate it if anybody wants to come up and ask me a question make a comment off the record thank you changing the character of war the lessons we are learning in Ukraine are not unique to Europe preparing to win the next war begins today near sustainment perspective the future of sustainment operation requires tested power projection good afternoon everybody my name is Major General Ronald Reagan and I'm up here with my command sergeant Major Pofi Primus and today I'm going to talk to you a little bit the way we see things in Europe that's really informing how we do sustainment globally and I would start off with a bottom line statement is that Ukraine must win and we must be prepared for global conflict and to be able to sustain it at scale globally we must start off with a quote by President Ronald Reagan I like that name by the way and he said that we maintain our peace we maintain peace through strength and I really firmly believe that and one of the greatest strengths that we have is our defensive alliances and as you know in Europe we currently went NATO just added a 30 second nation and it's it really is a source of strength and it's one of the biggest deterrents to an aggressive Russia and China Russia's theory of victory in Europe is number one to achieve tactical success contest reinforcement and to exploit time to exploit time to gain strategic concessions and the only way we prevent that is through rapid and assured power projection and it has always been one of the core requirements of the United States military fortunately we live between shores in which we have protection between two oceans and we've always had to deploy over there to come to the defense of others and I guarantee you that the enemy in the future will try to prevent us from doing that one of General Cavoli's has noted that a free and prosper Europe is dependent on the NATO security environment and one of that is our ability to maintain that is by maintaining strategic mobility and the be able to power project now as you heard today throughout the conference logistics is hard and we will be contested we will be contested in every domain and so we must solve the problem of contested logistics and I would argue that we've always been contested logistically right if you think through the Atlantic Wall of World War II that went from the southern tip of France up to the northern part of Norway it was contested logistics I would argue that U-boat campaign in the Atlantic was also contested logistics and if you think about it in the 1980s and 1990s in Europe that where I started out as a young lieutenant we had robust infrastructure we had rail cars we had data informed you know war plans and we exercised those war plans through the defender through the reforger series of exercises and I would argue that we need to continue to make those type of investments and while we were fighting in the Middle East China was investing and Russia was investing in new technologies anti-access anti-denial anti-ship capabilities drones hypersonics and their ability to contest our ability to deploy over there in the future our adversaries will continue to try to interdict our ability to power project Russia miscalculated in its actions against Ukraine but one thing it has enabled us to do it has enabled us to see their intent it has enabled us to be able to see clearly on the hunt or be hunted battlefields in Ukraine it's drones it's hypersonics it's new technologies General Milley said that in the future war the site that will adapt the fastest most likely will be the site that will be successful I'll transition now to what we see so if I ask myself constantly if this was a 1939 moment are we doing the right things to prepare for war are we doing the right things to set the theater as I look at it as far as assuring deter we're deploying over a division plus worth of capabilities all across the all across the European theater in 2024 we're utilizing multiple ports multiple entries of access we're supporting Ukraine we're providing them with material support we're helping them with training we're helping them to maintain their systems and this is in real time every day we're also supporting the evacuation of civilians back to the United States which is also part of our wartime mission and as Asset Def had said we firmly support the Ukrainian people and we will be with them for the long haul we're trying to do in early February of 2022 when that conflict first started it was a contingency what I'm working on really hard now is to get into a campaign mindset using interior or exterior lines making sure that we have the right stocks in the right place so that we can do it indefinitely if necessary and more importantly if it transitioned to conflict we're prepared for conflict in the European theater if you remember back Europe during the Cold War there were two cores in Europe there were four divisions in Europe there were two armored cavalry regiments the last reforger I was a young lieutenant and I remember I think it was 4th ID that flowed over we received them we moved them into position and then we fought we did large scale maneuvers right now we're in the midst of one of the largest exercises in Europe with over 90,000 soldiers, sailors and multinational individuals that are supporting our largest exercise in Defender and it's pretty amazing to see that but yet while we were doing the Defender exercise our adversaries are watching us they're thinking of ways of how they can contest us and stop our ability to do logistics in the battlefield transitioning real quick to priorities so the SACUER priority the number 2 priority for SACUER is to project power within the UCOM AOR and we're doing that as I mentioned earlier by deploying over divisions worth the capabilities in 2024 we're also supporting regeneration capabilities across the AOR my boss is General Williams number 1 priority for me is set the theater that means receiving multiple divisions from multiple courts converging assets at the right point to have the right strategic effects it's the speed of relevancy it means having the right supplies and the right plays for the right effects across the AOR it means building multinational capability having the right cross service agreements in place to be able to reach the right strategic effects so as we're continuing to transition from a contingency to a to a campaign footing our number 2 priority is supporting Ukraine we do this every day every night and it consumes a lot of time but it's having good strategic effects my sergeant major is going to talk a little bit more about how we do that but before that I go into that I want to talk about theater campaigning so theater campaigning we're starting from two known start points the first start point when we start to look at theater campaigning is that we will be contested the second start point is that it's going to require us to operate in a joint multinational environment we don't do anything without our allies and we have 32 of them currently inside of Europe the other is we operate off the cycle that you see up here and that cycle allows us to have the operational effects that we're trying to achieve whether that's freedom of freedom of action power being able to power project or be able to sustain endurance we operate off of four different lines of effort one of them we talked about is contested power projection we rapidly project combat power from the continental United States into the theater and have decisive effects we're looking at options such as being able to do are some in contact how do we fight our way through imagine one of the largest ports in Europe if that was interdicted how do we still fight our way through that and be able to sustain and meet and do the operational effects that we're looking for are army preposition stocks are they in the right places are they in the right quantities right there's opportunity for us to open up army preposition preposition stocks in the high north maybe in Norway how do we do it south of the Carpathian mountains how do we have the right stocks along the central corridor and are those stocks modernized do we have the right partnerships with industry in the right locations that if we transition to an Article 5 situation we can ensure prolonged endurance adaptive sustainment networks we work very closely in Europe with a lot of our multinational partners and I don't care where the sustainment comes from imagine bulk fuel coming from a United Kingdom convoy I don't care where there comes from the Germans as long as it's in the right quantity it's in the right numbers and we can treat the right effects so how do we link in with them and pass data earlier today Dr. Hill from AMC talked about AMC predictive analytic suites how do we use data to inform decision making how do we use data to be able to get the operational and strategic effects that we're looking for we're integrating systems like APAS that have great effects in support of Ukraine it's being able to project it's being able to see and it's being able to make data informed decisions in real time that's having operational effects we're using multimodal transportation networks in Europe all means by air ground sea barge and to have great effects we received them at one of our northern ports and then we were able to move them down the Rhine River on a barge and then we moved them through the Danu all the way into their position where they're at right now but multimodal effects it becomes very important as we go into the future secure prolonged endurance do we have the right stocks in the right place there's opportunities for us in Europe to put things in places like the specifics but not only enable us but also our multinational partners do we have resilient autonomous distribution there's opportunities for us to do production at the point of need inside of Ukraine they're doing some great things with 3D printing additive manufacturing to be able to achieve the operational effects that they need inside their country in real time and then how do we do theater regeneration I believe we're at the point now in the Ukraine conflict that has showed us that we can't assume that we're going to pull equipment back from a theater and then move it back across the Atlantic Ocean for it to be regenerated so how do we regenerate in theater do we have the right capability do we have the right skill sets do we have the right authorities to be able to do repairs on certain systems outside of the continental United States and do we have the right tooling do we have the right linkages in industry and is industry in the right places to be able to achieve real time effects and then the last thing that we're doing to campaign 32 nations in NATO we cannot do it alone it takes all of our allied partners it takes all of our allied capability to be able to achieve the decisive effect we work very closely with all of our partners to include the Ukrainians to be able to use those operational effects I will now turn it over to my command sergeant major to talk about lessons learned in the side of Ukraine Good morning, so the first two bullets there is we look at our observations for the last few years across Ukraine when it comes to drones we will notice that drones are being mass produced AI enabled and fully autonomous for your course and I'm creating a lot of terror on both sides and it's destroying a lot of very expensive equipment and key nodes across the battlefield if you're looking at key nodes there's a lot of discussions over this morning about being able to hide in plain sight and survivability a lot of reproductive targets are being destroyed looking at about a 24 hour span of how long a key node could stay up of course it's hit and targeted and the ability to fight in clusters on an expeditionary matter as well the aerial use supply and medivac are told so we're looking at the golden hour that we're used to throughout the years may or may not be there at that point in time because of the use of drones and the use of targeted ground casavacs and role one capabilities so again it's got to look at how we get past the golden hour and sustain life on the battlefield regeneration of combat power for critical philosophy what we're noticing is there's a lot of rapid adaptation that's changing the character of war the war in Ukraine what we notice is contested in the contest of endurance and the side that can retain and regenerate and do production at a faster pace will be more advantageous on the battlefield we're kind of looking at from a training perspective it all comes down to training and war fighting and everything that we do and everything that we've seen in Ukraine observations that we've seen in Ukraine is not just specific to Europe but it's a global trend when it comes to training and writing this as well soldiers need to be trained for contested logistics they need to fight in small teams on the first teams what we've seen is the ability for them to hide in plain sight non-standard vehicles when we had a discussion what they mentioned to us is the ability for a convoy to get to the frontline is not looking at the problem the ability to fight in plain sight as well Kazy Vaks already talked about it when it comes to drones we're going to get past the use of drones they're talking about ground Kazy Vaks missions and when it comes to the ability to keep our equipment in a fight I think it's key for us to continue to leverage our telling maintenance to fix our equipment more forward in the fight versus bringing it back like General Reagan was mentioning I just want to circle back on one point we had a discussion running in Ukraine in those sessions and we asked him, hey, if there's one thing you can invest in over the five years that you know today what would it be and the three things that I mentioned was ammunition production in stockpile maintenance capabilities in parts hard-made storage for the command post decided to create multiple dilemmas for our adversaries to stay in massive operational effects on a critical point of time and generate a combat power to win the fight with the drones so I'll leave you with a short story of before we turn it over to questions and answers I work very closely every day with the Ukrainians and there's one Ukrainian by the name of Yuri we developed a very close relationship Yuri's family comes from a place called Moriopol right, that was it's no longer in Ukrainian hands but it that way he hasn't seen his mother-in-law since the conflict started because she's on the other side and his family had moved eight times since the conflict started and I asked him you know, Mori, what's your perception on this and he goes, it's simple we've got to win at the end of the day, if we don't win we won't exist anymore our language, our culture our people, our history our families won't exist so I would ask, just remember Yuri thank you hey, sir, how are you? I'm new sir, I'm new president of both states at the same time what do you need from the ministry? I know we can't form industry to assist you in that campaign place so we can start playing ahead and dialogue with your folks I just came from a logistics campaign with the Ukrainians and then one from the perspective of us the US I think from the US perspective industry's got to be in the right place I think there's opportunities to forward position in the right places either in Eastern Europe or Western Europe and I think we've got to have relationships before the first bullet is ever fired at the end of the day, like Sergeant Major said at some point all wars become a stalemate and a stalemate is only broken by the ability to produce and the site that outproduces the other is likely to be the victor in that stalemate and so we're kind of I'm not saying a stalemate with respect to Ukraine but it is a war of production make no doubt one five five rounds in open source Russia's probably outproducing the West significantly and if we want to win that conflict we've got to start producing the second part of that I think with respect to not speaking for the Ukrainians but they look for more capability inside of the country how are we generating the the people who would do that how are we creating that demand part of it part of it and by the way you come I would give a shout out to pay com and cent com we're in collaboration so if you're hearing it multiple times is because we're talking to each other multiple times at the end of the day we just think about it we really haven't had to regenerate combat power from severe losses in a large scale conflict since maybe the Gulf War without bringing it back to the United States so we really got to think through that but to answer your question the way we're giving that demand signal number three we're working through army material command take on back to army material command to get the right through authorities forward and then working with industry as well to be able to give them that demand signal any other questions yes sir this is in regards to the regeneration combat power so could you elaborate a little more as to what kind of options you're looking at for that well number number one is I'm looking for investment in some of our theater maintenance sites and you know be honest with you I didn't know how important that was and I looked at what's going on inside of Ukraine they have an amazing ability to innovate at the lowest levels and matter of fact we work side by side with them and we're actually learning from them on how to do battle damage and assessment and repair you know unfortunately we haven't had huge strikes or mind strikes or you know anti aircraft strikes or counter artillery strikes on some of our systems so we're learning from them number one number two we're starting to invest in our capabilities back inside of the theater to be able to regenerate because remember I said that logistics is going to be contested so if you make the assumption that you're going to be able to free flow things across the Atlantic I think that's not a good assumption so how do I keep building that combat power inside of the theater investment in my theater infrastructure that's already there investment in new sites further forward in Poland it's making sure that we have the right linkages to industry further in theater with reach back back to the United States and the last one it's also Sergeant Major bought this up it's investing in new technologies like tele maintenance and imagine using goggles that can see things forward without being there unsecure means to be able to talk back and link into industry partners to think about innovative ways to solve this hard problem right and we're not going to be able to do it alone from a military a DoD it's going to take all of industry to be able to solve those problems and so I would just add that the tele maintenance is a feature of how we're going to do maintenance across the island that's a key lesson that we got from the Ukrainians and from a lot of the infrastructure that we invested in Europe and what we're trying to build there I think we'll be able to do it we'll just put the how do we how do you produce further forward right because you know it's distribution logistics is a it's a math problem it's time space it's physics and then you you introduce an enemy along that supply chain so the more you can do forward I think the better that you'll be able to maintain momentum questions one or two more questions and then we'll close this out yeah so there's there's a couple of there's a couple of means I know the security assistance group Ukraine runs an industry day and they run it periodically I want to say every six months was the last one that we had there's also the ISOA conference that's being ran in Kaiser slot in another industry day forum that's hosted by some of our teams in Europe and then there's going to be a land a land com conference sponsored by a USA I want to say next summer that's a good way to link into us but but I would also say it's a way I want you to take away from this the lessons learned in Europe is an opportunity for us to apply those lessons broadly because when we talk about contestant is whether you're fighting from the Indo-Pacific or the or or Europe it doesn't matter and if you think back during World War two member it was it was an axis of evil that we're fighting against it was it was it started with you know Germany and then it transitioned over to Japan and then it was Italy and what you see is that when there's pushback against the norms the international norms it's not going to just go in one theater or the other right so we've got to be able to invest there's always priorities and there's always dangers that would go over time but we've got to be able to think broadly and so lessons learned from Europe applied directly to the Pacific and to Sincon and the enemy doesn't respect our geographical borders or our lines that we drew in the sand so it's a global solution any other questions go ahead as far as generating readiness and being operationally readily can you speak to how you're you know the psyche of the of the soldier and what you're doing invest in the people yeah great question so we have a lot of units that's coming into the theater the rap the big thing that we notice with our organization is the units that's coming in and out of the theater and we leave it at a higher standard because they are getting a real world type operation a real world type challenge reps and sets, possible reps and sets over and over and over that includes our parent units our 6-6 training, the 6-6 system of the grade and all the mission enablers that support security issues there's a lot of great training value opportunities to run and test other things into the theater because we're getting a reps and sets so and I would also commend the chief of staff of our army for his priorities of fighting a war fighting and then being able to join the right combat readiness those units that are coming over to you they're ready they're not only ready to train but they're ready if we transition to article 5 in conflict there's no doubt that the US will be ready to defend and deter our adversaries so good for force comm units and the things that they're doing when they come over ready and then when they get in theater a sergeant major is looting to we try to keep them ready and then return them back at a higher standard readiness probably have good afternoon ladies and gentlemen thanks for joining us today for this bit of Warrior's Corner we're going to talk to you a little bit about human machine integrated formations my name is Glen Dean I'm the program executive officer for ground combat systems we're located in Detroit I have the responsibility with my team for the design, development, delivery and fielding of all the army's ground combat platforms so you typically think of Abrams, Bradley Striker, XM-30 their replacements but that also includes the robotic combat vehicle I'm joined by my two great partners from the Army Futures Command I'll let them introduce themselves I'm Travis Thompson I'm the deputy for the sole robotic cross-functional team but I'm also General Rohn's deputy for those that don't know General Rohn's dual-headed is both the infantry commandant and the director of the sole robotic cross-functional team so I'm kind of sitting here in sort of both spaces and helping out with MC did but ultimately focused on two areas one, a lot of the requirements and the efforts that are coming out of Fort Morg in the HMI IVCT space and then the class 2 UAS and below partner of the aviation folks and then also kind of where I'll spend a little of my time discussing is the dot-mil-pf integration which is more of that trade-off function and some of the things that the University did for more focus on so that we're trying to balance out kind of where we're at but we'll look forward to the conversation and good afternoon everybody Jeff Norman, director of the next gen combat vehicle cross-functional team of the Detroit arsenal part of Army Futures Command and this afternoon talking about human machine integrated formations for ABCT and then I'll pass it over to Travis who will talk about the topics he mentioned with a particular focus on HMI for IBCT and then General Dean will bring it home and correct the record if either of us can speak but certainly describe program activities across the board and a number of exciting efforts that are underway so pushed off in the sort of consistent with the chart that you see on the screens I want to talk about human machine integrated formations for our armored brigade combat teams first and foremost our robotics efforts in ABCTs aren't about introducing robots to those formations it's about improving the armored brigade combat team as a formation and that will involve adding aerial rail-box, small UASs and ground robotic vehicles so the approach that General Simmering and the team at Fort Moore have taken to introducing those robotic and autonomous systems is to build a platoon a robotic autonomous system platoon a RAS platoon depicted there sort of in the shadows of what the baseline formation looks like so a RAS platoon in an armored brigade combat team consists of four small UASs two that are the short range recon two that are long range recon four robotic combat vehicles you can see a couple other renderings of what the base configuration and advanced configuration would look like for the robotic combat vehicles and then two control vehicles currently depicted as armored multi-purpose vehicles ant-V's that serve as control vehicles 14 soldiers in that platoon so seven in each of the control vehicles two for the ant-V one who serves as the section leader the robotic section leader and then two soldiers to control each robot one to drive the robot with a lack of a better description and one to control the payload so that's the formation in a nutshell the RAS platoon in an armored brigade now how many of those platoons would be in an armored brigade is a subject of some experimentation that's going on right now and looking forward to putting those questions through their paces but importantly another aspect of the experimentation that's going on right now is really putting a finer point on the roles and functions of the RAS platoon and human machine integrated formations so previously of course we talked about the 3D's for robotics so the dull, the dirty, the dangerous and we know that you didn't come to hear us talk about the 3D's so we thought maybe if we talked about the 8D's you'd be a little more interested in this session right after lunch so the 3D's that we're talking about we can see them listed up there so if you think of this sort of geographically on the battlefield I'm starting far out or deep for lack of a better term and then sort of coming in close so out deep what we're looking to do are forces to develop and disrupt so develop the situation by increasing our situational awareness making first contact so developing our understanding of the battlefield and then certainly leveraging fires leveraging other effects to disrupt the enemy and throw them off their game from the outset detect them to see not all of the payloads that might be on robotic combat vehicles are kinetic, lethal payloads and in fact we're finding that some of the electronic warfare, electromagnetic warfare payloads are some of the most effective on the battlefield the ability to detect the enemy the ability to deceive the enemy by emitting signatures that reflect a different size of type of organization so those two detect and deceive are particularly helpful on the flanks or a little further out to deny and degrade as we get closer to our forward line of troops of our manned improved combat vehicles the ability to deny the enemy to maneuver options by using robotic combat vehicles RAS continues to block avenues of approach to extract the enemy as they're trying to leverage those or to degrade their formations as they're coming in through direct indirect fires is a particularly useful role for robotic combat vehicles and then certainly to destroy enemy capabilities to defeat their formations through direct and indirect fires in a close time so these are the 8Ds broadly speaking that we're looking to leverage RAS platoons and human machine integrated formations to achieve so more than just the 3Ds I guess the 3Ds maybe are the big overarching themes but the 8Ds that we really sort of fleshed out from experimentation or what we can see listed there so high level objectives what are we trying to achieve out of these human machine integrated formations in the armor brigade combat teams we're not going to give you the specific vehicle requirements or capability requirements for the robot around your air instead I'm going to tell you what it is that we're seeking to achieve at the high level for these formations because this is about formation improvement not just adding a new platoon to the ADCT so first off we're trying to optimize the performance of the humans of the soldiers in those formations doing that by having robotic systems doing things that robots and autonomous systems do best with key, repetitive endurian type missions there are certain tasks that robotic systems are much better for that allow us to optimize human performance because they're not having to do that now really that is the crux of the human machine integrated formation figuring out which tasks are better accomplished by robots which tasks are best accomplished by humans for that certainly we want to increase the lethality of the formations so ensuring that our capabilities are always with a view towards increasing lethality is one of our principal objectives decreasing formation size and weight we're not looking to just add capabilities, adding weight adding vehicles to the formation ultimately the intent is to try to reduce the weight or the size of the armor brigade combat team as well some of that may be achievable by adding robotic capabilities and decreasing the number or size of some of the crude systems, demand platforms that are in the formations as well we've got to increase communications improve communications and decrease the demands on the network I'll talk more about that in a second when I talk about some of our challenges and as we add these formations to add these capabilities a sustainment burden or certainly not adding a sustainment burden that we haven't addressed with our teammates from Cascar and sustainance seeding so we're high towards sustainment is absolutely essential and then just like we seek to increase the lethality of the formation increasing the protection of the formation is something that seems very achievable as we add robotic capabilities raspotins in many respects are optimized for enhanced protection of formation but all of these objectives are not without their challenges as we've seen through experimentation both in the DIRT out at the combat training centers at force combat locations like Fort Cavazos and other places and then certainly in simulations as well so the first challenge is autonomy and certainly autonomy is advancing at a rapid click and if you're in the autonomy business and you're moving your ball forward thank you for what you're doing keep up the great work and stay at it because autonomy is absolutely essential to realizing the promise of robotic and autonomous systems but frankly autonomy isn't where we need it right now for those robotic systems to operate without human intervention or human control it brings us to the second challenge and that is communication so given that autonomy is where it is we're going to need to have tele operation or control by humans for certain functions of robots so we need to have a communications link that has sufficient strength and reliability and sufficient bandwidth for the data that's going between the robot and the control vehicle and vice versa the challenge to that not only a bandwidth challenge but also a range challenge it's not helpful if the robot can only be 500 meters from the control vehicle need to have tactically relevant distance and we're talking four, eight kilometers one or two terrain features which certainly is a significant challenge but one that I know we're all up to the task to solve together and then lastly I mentioned some of the mission roles and functions that we're seeking to leverage robotic systems for and you might say well one robot can't do all those things and we absolutely agree that that's true so in many cases modular mission payloads that can be swapped out for certain missions are going to be essential to the efficacy of these rascals but those modular mission payloads and the robots that they ride on have to be rugged and reliable and those systems that are forward on a robot have to be capable of operating absolute human intervention you know if a machine gun jams there need to be solenoids and other actions on there that can be done remotely a 50 round ammo box is probably insufficient for a robot that's operating for 18 hours eight kilometers in front of the forward via troops it probably needs a four round ammo box so the crew doesn't have to go out to the robot to reload the 50 cal those are the types of things that we have to pay for that robot truly does need to be forward and capable of operating without a human intervening and we're looking forward to continuing to work with industry to define those requirements and see what technical solutions are developed for them so we're excited about the promise of human machining and all the great formations for the ADCTs a lot of awesome experimentation going on now and in the future and for all of our industry partners out there thank you for the work you're doing in this space and we look forward to working together to continue to move the ball forward so thanks. Thank you. As I said earlier my name is Travis Thompson I'm the deputy on the solo thought across functional team but I'm going to mix my comments not just coming from a CFP perspective I represent it by MCG and others and also kind of from the trade-off side of some of the .mil-pf space because we're talking about I'm going to start a little bit with the .mil-pf so as we talk about the technologies that we're doing and General Norman did a great job of bringing up some of the challenges and the capabilities that we're trying to deliver in but remember when we do the holistic .mil-pf look at it if we're fighting exactly the same way that's probably not going to be the most effective way to achieve the full capability that these systems can provide but we also have to realize that the formations themselves then have to do things differently and that requires us to start to do that larger .mil-pf the longer term experimentation so that we can change how we do the training how we do different aspects of everything we do how qualification looks how do you generate the thought process for leaders and the situation where awareness is coming in is absolutely critical that is described so that isn't going to happen in three-week intervals that happen four times a year we're going to get bits and pieces but we're not going to learn what we learn on week four so the .mil-pf is important otherwise what we're going to see is we're going to start demanding from a .mil-pf perspective that we can't make trades in all the areas that aren't the M and we expect the M's to solve all those other problems and that drives up cost that drives up development time that drives up risk and what we have to say is that when we're doing this as a trade across the .mil-pf that's going to have to happen so the experimentation you're seeing that was described by General Norman is critical because if we're not learning those lessons then we're just going to keep doing the same things and we're going to ask how it does something different so I just put that in context and we've got to start trading the IBCT level so the HMI IBCT level we're really talking about trading steel for lives for soldiers' lives, right? remember that 90% of the cows since World War II have come from the infantry 76% of the cows that are teased in Iraq and Afghanistan came from five in the west it's the close combat forces continuing dying and we want other things to do that so you do that by over the horizon, the online of sight situational awareness, increased capability greater the range and duration of a which you can fight but ultimately trading steel for lives that's what it's all about, right? it's not just you have to fight together but we're trying to figure out how you do that more efficiently and more effectively presenting more dilemmas to the enemy because you have more precise information to help viewing your maneuver which then allows you to present different challenges and different problems to your adversaries and that's not specific to a key piece of technology or to a specific program of record but it is what's important for the formation which is what we're describing so whether that formation be 14 in the A, B, C, T or the 18 in the I, B, C, T and those are just things that people are looking at when we're finding that it's what's capabilities are likely going to change and what we do is going to change so just keep that in mind but ultimately we're trying to increase the situational understanding mortality, protection all the same things that General Norman talked about that's not different between the A B, C, T and I, B, C, T but the level of protection or the distance over which you have to do those are different but some of the solutions in the space between H and I, I, B, C, T and A, B, C, T may very much be the same in SRR or short range recon and medium range recon they may be exactly the same but the payloads may be different so those are ways that we have to think about modular mission payloads and how we tailor this and while it's specific to the formation it doesn't always mean that it's unique to only that formation so I throw that and the key to success is early integration as I've described, that experimentation early integration doing things at court more so that we're having enterprise level learning that is changing how we're doing everything we don't have to have the right robot or the right UAB to teach leaders how to plan for UABs that are going to be used against you and how you're going to use those UABs to generate an advantage on the battlefield we just have to have surrogates we have to have ways that leaders can start to see that so I just throw that out there's a different way to look at this and that's also about integrating the new technologies and that if we don't learn that way we're just going to be learning the same lessons over and over here and so it makes a difference I'll turn it over to Genevieve Thanks Travis, Jeff, appreciate the setup so what I'm going to talk about is what we're doing programmatically in PO Grand Combat Systems specifically in the robotic combat vehicle program which really just supports the HMIF Armored Formation so that's the armored solution that is the program of record intended to deliver an enduring capability there are three lines of effort one of which has five elements to it so I'm going to walk you through those elements of the program so three lines of effort the first is surrogate prototypes these are things that we bought essentially off the shelf that we're using for experimentation that supports all the learning that Future's Command is doing largely operated by our partners in DEFCOM we did a fairly robust experiment in 2021 with the first calving division very broad set of capabilities we explored there allowed us to neck down requirements quite a bit so the next round of experimentation that occurred in the summer of 2023 with the black horse through two rotations the National Training Center really showed the ability of the force to iterate tactics, techniques, procedures tell us kind of if the general requirements we had were right and how those were dialed in we'll repeat that again later this year and then from a program perspective we're going to hand off the remaining surrogates to some of our partners to continue experimentation because PMs really aren't experimenters we're the go-do when you've got to deliver something folks so the other two lines of effort is our capability the second line of effort is our actual robotic combat vehicle platforms that has five sub-elements to it the first is a control vehicle you have to control from some place the program doesn't buy the control vehicles they're expecting the army to deliver those but it does have to integrate to those control vehicles and to date we've integrated against Bradleys strikers but the anticipated enduring solution gives us a little more space to get us adequate protection and something that's common to an armor brigade the second element of the robotic combat vehicle capability is the warrior machine interface how do you control that system that is something that has been in continuous development it's really a DEBCOM GVSC led activity some great support from our partners down here at Redstone because the underlying software there's a lot of commonality of what we're doing for air control and the reality you need to understand is these robotic vehicles are predominantly tele-operated systems it's a human being who's watching through a sensor and who's physically controlling virtually every action that robot does I'll talk about why that's important to understand here shortly so that's the WMI gets integrated into the control platform and the third element is actually the communication system that allows you to talk from the control vehicle to the robot we're getting some commercial off the shelf things some work out of the C5IRSR center and our C3T counterparts frankly from where I sit our biggest risk and challenge is in that communications link and the issue is partly the amount of data we can transmit at a latency and the other problem is the amount of spectrum we have to do that because what we've learned from our soldiers operating our surrogate prototypes is they want very high fidelity very low latency we cannot drive a robotic combat vehicle more than about 25 miles an hour under tele-operation safely there is too much latency in most communications okay well how do you handle that well you end up with a really big data pipe and if you have a really big data pipe you end up needing a lot of spectrum to pass that data through there is not enough spectrum allocated to military operations the way we do it today for us to operate any sort of reasonable density of robotic ground combat vehicles on the battlefield the way we currently do through tele-operation so if there is an area that is critical and essential to growth is how you handle your control and how you handle data latency and how you manage spectrum and we're going to have to give commanders the ability to dynamically manage spectrum because they may have to trade spectrum capability between air platforms and ground platforms and the third element is the platform itself and the platforms that we're in development on we have four contractors that are competing right now we'll make it down select late next year to a single that will eventually be the first iteration program of record the intent is that will iterate probably every five years or so will change out hardware but that's basically a platform deck that has a wheel or a tracked automotive element that can be controlled remotely drive by wire shoot by wire and then integrate the fifth element which is really what matters which is robotic payload today there are two elements of the payload that RCV is delivering it's really a remote weapon station and a tethered unmanned aircraft so the vehicle can see it can shoot to defend itself and it can see over intervening terrain really to enable reconnaissance capability that's the program of record element for the payload now the third line of effort in the program of record is our software pathway that's our method to grow out of teleoperated control so we now have six contractors under contract either doing software integration or developing individual autonomy capabilities and so whether it's aided target detection or waypoint navigation or something else we can automate on the platform then does not require regular intervention by the robot operator and that's how we solve our way out of the spectrum in bandwidth problem if our experts in the communication field can't come up with a clever way to do it so we can maintain operation and that's ultimately how we get from our current density of two soldiers operating one robot to one soldier operating one robot to one soldier operating two then four then eight is we have to have the autonomous capabilities you see it already in unmanned aircraft right you can see swarms operated by a very small number yeah those swarms don't have to maneuver on the ground which frankly is a very hard problem even our commercial autonomy industry really doesn't have the military relevant data sets to enable development of autonomous algorithms that will matter for us and we need to maneuver off-road so that's the other significant challenge in our autonomous space so three lines of effort five elements under the platform line of effort the software and communications really are our killers here for the future a lot of work being done by our DEVCOM partners in the next iterations of payloads those are really going to make the difference in this capability at the end of the day we're delivering a robotic truck that can do many things we probably don't want to do all those things but what things you want it to do at any point in the battlefield in your particular operation those may change from mission to mission operation operation and have the ability to modulally change those payloads should give the commander tremendous flexibility and we've seen that demonstrated already in the experimentation at the National Training Center this year where not with our prompting the black hole soldiers took a few capabilities that they had for other things like smoke generation like electronic warfare put those on the robot use the robot to deliver that to a point in the battlefield where it was able to have an immediate tactical effect was not something we envisioned when we started the experiment but was something that they demonstrated the ability to rapidly integrate and operate so that's what's happening in the RCV program space and with that I think we'll take your questions so raise a hand Aaron's coming around with the microphone so I understand the rascal tune the number how many is still up for debate are you saying it's a done deal that there will be rascal tunes at some point in the combat teams in the future? so I'll talk on the ABC2 side this is really a channeling channel simmering the armor coming down is it a done deal? No because that's only affected through the total army analysis the TAA process but they are in the process of drafting the force design updates the FDUs that include rascal tunes and those will be submitted up to Combined Army Center Fort Levenworth for consideration and then approved by the Combined Army Center up to the building for Army G3.7 to integrate through the TAA so we won't see those designs in our stuff that was just published but those force design updates are working their way through the system now that the armor coming down has developed those and we're doing experimentation with those rascal tunes as he designs Kamone, Racki Palvin, Big Stan, Grave Palvin one of the things that he talked about is that the critical these are improved mutation and increased amount of names as you probably well know the FCC is not going to be able to deal with any more spectrum in space we're not having formations that will be operating with the 1, 2, 3, 4 distances without power over the course of the development phase we're going to both train people through that policy which is decreasing the network's demands and improving people's cell types and people talking about what you have to do to get there great question and if I knew all of the answers I probably would have shared it and you probably wouldn't have solved the problem so he relying heavily on experts like himself and the folks to your left and right to help us develop solutions and identify even though we don't know the complete answer yet so first is we anticipate that the demands on the network have to be rationalized and minimized rationalized just as General Dean was laying out to the extent that at all times for all operators we may not have sufficient bandwidth for everything that they might want and so we need to rationalize how much bandwidth is going to be allocated to certain cultures what times and what place in the battlefield so really understanding our network demands and our network capacity throughout a mission profile and throughout different phases of the operation so that analysis you can do through experimentation and a lot of that virtual so that's where the first element is going to be the other thing that is going to be absolutely essential is to ensure that there is redundancy built into communications so it might not be a one-size-fits-all so there may be terrestrial radios that are used for certain communications and maybe that's the primary there may be a mesh network that is an alt-chain and then there may be a NEO communications alternate or contingency pathway that's led us or maybe appropriate for robots that are in several terrain features filled with a line of sight or a mesh network that can be appropriate so we think that analyzing what our network demands are across the mission spectrum is going to be important and then developing redundancy and then the supply is going to be critical as well and so these are the things that are going to be a key aspect of the problem from the ADC-T7 and then I don't think this is specific to the AI part of it is the supply and part of it is the demand so the other area so the economy is going to level and there are functions that don't necessarily is going to be the same they can't push that pipe but if more of those capabilities become organic to the system because they're autonomous and they can just do some of those functions that reduces it soldiers, early integration as I described are also going to learn where and when they need it and when they don't need it and so therefore that's going to reduce your actual requirement for the total amount of data so we're going to have to figure out if we're not going to get one breakthrough that's going to be the BI angle we're going to have to attack it just like we do tactical power and load we have to attack it from every single angle and collectively you might get a 20% or a 30% improvement but it looks like 7% in four different areas as opposed to 30% in one area so it's going to take the larger group to do it and it's going to probably be a bigger dot meal for that thing and not just a material yeah, the continued experimentation this is really all about iterative dot meal PFP integration we're not going to get the policy questions right the first time we're certainly not going to get the doctrine and the training right the first time you have to be able to iterate and with regard to managing data a lot of this comes down to what do you want the systems to do we have taken on probably the most challenging data spectrum management problem because we picked the tactical application that requires the most user intervention requires the lowest latency and the highest fidelity data if I had a robot all I needed to do is drive to a point in the battlefield and turn on and turn off it's a smoke generator it goes to a grid coordinate and it turns smoke on and then turns smoke off I can run 50 of those in the same amount of spectrum that it takes me to one reconnaissance depends on what capability you want any other questions all right well I think we're at the end of this session anyway so dining is perfect too is General Dean alluded at the outset and we'll give him the final word I just want to thank everybody who is a teammate on this journey so we've got folks from Detroit Arsenal reflected up here both from PEO and the cross talk show team we've got Fort Moore and Travis is carrying out for all of the Fort Moore teammates but there are many other folks that are involved in this journey as well so Rob Monto and Victor is an active partner in the human machine integrated formation work that's going on there are numerous labs and centers that are part of this as well so it takes a village and we appreciate not only the folks on the government side but also everybody who is here from industry who's working to solve this problem so thanks for your attention today I'm going to pass it to Travis but I really appreciate being willing to go along with this on this journey thank you I was going to say earlier but I didn't know it was going to be questions so if you want to look at the next one you can ask more questions from the next one because that's nice but I really appreciate it and I feel like I'm going to do it more thanks for your attendance and thanks for my great partners for continued participation on this great journey folks here locally I hear this is the best road the two and three best roads in the house right up here in the front row it's great to see everybody here in Huntsville today here at the Bomb Rock Center super happy to be here with y'all glad to have been meeting in with the weather tonight last night there was a little bumpy coming in on our flight over from Atlanta and then we're coming in from Texas it's going to be a little bumpy too glad everybody's here really appreciate y'all being here doing some of our cutting edge programs I'll get to a little bit of detail here in a moment but we're going to have a nice little video here for you to kind of show you a vision of the future unfortunately it's not coming up but if we get it up here at the end we'll play it for y'all it shows kind of a vision of how things are going to work y'all have probably seen launch effects and our enduring fleet aircraft out there together already in some of the videos but this video is really just going to pick some of that vision of how we're going to fight in the future so really quick this introduction is great to be here with my battle buddy I'm John Cain Baker from the FBL CFT and my teammate McCormick Daniel Medallia from the PMPUAS we've got a few things to share with you here today hopefully have a good discussion we welcome your questions here at the end so if you have anything that's first and good thought as we're going through our discussion please do let us know just by way of quick introduction I've been here with the CEO for radiation now for about 60 days and I think y'all have probably heard that there's been two updates to our priorities and a budget for FY25 I'm not going to talk in detail about all of that today it would take up the entire time so that's not my intent what I will tell you though is that I want to share just a couple of things about how we're doing things differently up front and then I'll turn it over to John Baker but overall and the CEO and you've probably heard Mr. Camarillo speak about this this morning you've heard a lot of army senior leaders speak about how we're doing things differently so I would start with first of all we're using appropriate authorities and appropriate contract vehicles to get after the speed and actresses so that's number one we're moving out at a pretty quick pace and you'll see here in a moment all the different lines of effort we've done and we've got going in one space in the UAS space the second piece is that we're doubling down on our modular open systems approach so when I say we're doubling down on it we're going to see requirements for our modular architecture, the standards and interfaces and all of our upcoming request for proposals and all of our upcoming request for white papers very similar to what you saw maybe a couple years ago when we were executing in the floor of RFP it's going to be very similar standards than these upcoming RFPs so we're doubling down on MOSA a couple things we're kind of addressing in a strategic environment one is the supply chain we're going to address the supply chain risk management pretty heavily and we're looking at cybersecurity heavily in our future innovations but I'm not going to steal Danielle's thunder on all her programs and original papers so with that I want to say we've got some great teamwork across Army Aviation and across the Army right now so specific to our aviation programs and even our once effects programs we're working across multiple PDAs including our ground maneuver center our aviation maneuver center multiple misses of space PDAs there's PA for soldier PA for IEWS and we're working together to deliver the capability but we couldn't start to deliver that capability if we didn't have a great sum of requirements and a great relationship with our requirements owners so can you pull the mood? Thanks David Future Vertical Lift CFT Director I took over this past summer from Wally Rugen I came out of the Pacific spent two years over in the Pacific watching that environment and understand the ternator distance and why Future Vertical Lift is so important so a global force couldn't come at a better time I just spent the last 30 days out in California a little bit in San Diego then up at the National Training Center so I'm still cleaning a little bit of dirt out of my ears from that and I'd like to talk about that as we go through this discussion and then sandwich between PCC-4 Global Forces our upcoming edge event this is our experimentation that we do specifically here on the FBL I'll talk a broad portion of that I'll comment on David's comment on our requirements and I will tell you with this panel launched effects and UASs it touches more equities in the Army right now in the Joint Force than I would say any other program we started this past year updating a couple of requirement documents mainly our launched effects that launched effects has allowed us to have a discussion across a very, very wide array of different individuals from all the centers of excellence from maneuver to intel to cyber to our CEDIS our capabilities development offices and as David mentioned our PEOs and for us to get to a true capability on launched effects it's going to take a broad and big effort and we'll kind of dive into that here in a minute when we talk about the role of launched effects and then our UASs but very, very busy time right now as David said this partnership continues to grow and it's going to have to grow if we're going to meet the emerging threats here in the next 10 to 15 years with these capabilities because it's all about standoff and it's all about putting that machine out front to allow that initial absorb to make that initial contact with the enemy so then we can do the nation's bidding with those in uniform so I'll hold off here before we get to this slide and I'll hand it off to Danielle if you've got any opening comments Yeah, thanks sir So even here is not only launched effects but UAS holistically is truly a revolutionary capability how do we extend that operation to keep the soldiers out on arms away fighting doctrine this past fall with sensors and robots before we train blood for our soldiers and that's what we're here for today from transferring that rhythm we'll talk a little bit about launch effects and then broadly the UAS portfolio back to General Baker's point we are receiving requirements from the FBLC aviation seated the sustainment seated the cyber center of excellence so we have a tremendous amount of time with PEOIAWS at the end of the day a lot of these UASs are nothing more than 12 we'll be on all of our UASs thanks Danielle so what does launched effects look like as I came into this job I started asking the question if I'm at a brigade or a division or a corps what does this really mean for me and so launched effects have got to be able to do three things one it's got to be able to conduct that reconnaissance and system mission at echelon with corps division and brigades and we've defined it it's got to be able to penetrate into these IS and to these systems that you know at range and then we've got to be able to do it with the joint force so now you operationalize that you go okay what are the ranges what are the altitudes we want to look at well we've seen survivability we know what we can operate we know where we want our launched effects to fly and this lower tier air domain and we know the payloads that we want to put on them to be able to do lethal and non-lethal capability and then the question is how do you integrate it into a formation with something they haven't had and we're talking ranges beyond 30 to 48 kilometers and beyond so how do we integrate that capability and that's where I work closely with David and Danielle a lot of things that we say are attributes above and beyond just specific payloads we need them to be a trittable we need to be able to give the commander a class 5 and ammo type capability and say hey here you go one time launch use it but it's got to be affordable it can't be the 2 to 300 million dollar one time shot because we're going to need mass type of capability it's critical that these attributes look at behaviors that's the secret sauce behind all this how do we put these a trittable systems together how do they work in advanced teaming and how do they extend the range of the commander and then finally we've got to have the ability to pass that data quickly back and I'll go into a little bit more detail on what we did out of PCC-4 but that sensor to shooter that on the edge a tactical edge of capability to provide that sensor back in a very quickly timely manner in order to provide that lethal effect to it is what it's all about so it comes down to speed and so as our requirements as we've updated this year really capability based and walking across all the equities we now see launch effects coming off of the air which we always had which a lot of you known as ALE air launch effects are now also ground launched effects and we've also pushed a special piece in there from airtime so extended specific payloads put it at echelon core division and brigades is what we're thinking have a network that supports it and be able to do it at the speed in order to make an impact on the battlefield for the commander which then affects the enemy very quickly and gets inside their decision cycle so Dave I'll hold there and then we'll jump into PCC and edge so just a couple of additional points there about the power of those demonstrations and I can go back several years now that when we first started demonstrating things with the CFTE back in the 18-19 time frame started seeing the capabilities that we're maturing and started actually learning from how to inform our requirements back in and so as they inform the requirements back in it and then those requirements back in it are translated into system performance specifications and then we can share those system performance specifications with industry and then get used to speed back and I'll use the most example again so we had some mission system architecture demonstrations we had a lot of integrations that were done well back in the 15-16-17 time frame that we leveraged upon, we brought forward to industry and then we asked for industry speed back and we wanted industry speed back we took that feedback and we built it in our architecture frameworks and I would say this space is no different, right? We have learned so much from how to build architecture from the component spec model all the way to the actual requirement itself and the traceability in between and the speed that's going to enable us in the future for upgradeability and really to stay ahead of the threat when we have new systems, new payloads we want to bring those capabilities on we want to acquire those capabilities faster just like we said we're conferencing the only thing we will talk about today we want to have open systems architectures to acquire capabilities faster to stay ahead of the threat and to clip up with the case of technologies technologies are changing quickly these demonstrations show that we're able to then react to that take those into our system specs and translate that to industry so when you're coming back on the industry side or from the lab and you're looking at the system performance specifications know that they're informed by all of this demonstration work that's going on for the past five, six years and it's been impactful about getting things across that valley of death it takes the two sides to pull across the valley of death you can't just have a little EDM Jones bridge and try to get across it by yourself you have to have both sides working together let's just follow up with gentlemen's data so historically there may not have been a great communication between labs and TNs I can tell you in the last two years that it's fundamentally shifted we are working hand in hand not only with the FLC-2 when it comes to the PCC and the bandbars but TVDA the labs whether they're in warm or they're in useless we are collaborating more than ever specifically we have stand-up meetings every week called what are you doing and where do you need help and we are absolutely experimenting with our labs we're transferring it much easier than we ever have before and that is an enabler and it's a huge enabler to really move with the speed that technology is not only recelerating the requirements perspective but from a fielding perspective we're going to show a little chart here in a bit quickly, help quickly it's amazing when you hear the AAC and you're moving too quick and it did in a very positive perspective that was not a negative view, it was very positive you know you're doing the right thing and that's because of the teaming and that experience thanks Daniel so transition a little bit to PCC-4 what we learned out there, what we did and then where we're going here in the fall with our FDL specific edge event so if I probably took a survey you would all say if you shop online you'd probably go with the one best model and it allows you to shop the quickest and gets to your house correct? we won't say which companies well that's what we did at PCC we figured out hey what is the quickest way from sister to shooter that data flow to get down to operations and the fires to be able to affect the target, that's what we did and so you know from an aviation standpoint there's two pieces there there's one of the deep fight that we look at that affects and also our man-plant forms and then our close fight for our deep fight for PCC-4 we focused on really out at the tactical edge with our payloads and our sensors for example how can we identify targets provide that information back through the data thread and get back to a firing solution while also ingested in other mission commands the one thing we had to do that we once again we know and that we will continue to have to work through is we want to fly these launched effects in this lower tier it presents a challenge with our communication and our network so establishing that ability allows us to rapidly push that data back a lot of people ask me hey Kane is that going to be the tendency from here on out well until we you know get our launched effects until a certain point with their behaviors their collaboration to be able to operate at the tactical edge at extended distances that network is going to be critical and so between the network and the payloads to identify you know our integrated air defense we were able to successfully see data path back to intel operations and fires in a pretty quick manner that made an impact on the enemy for the close fight really we're talking 40 kilometers an end we once again focused on our launched effects on that ability to assign it a mission provide that capability down to a tactical unit so they can control it off of their their communications equipment very very successful in those handoffs and those behaviors the other thing that I think we stumbled into was launched effects due to the environment we saw of all of our systems out there when we got above about 30 to 45 knots we were still able to successfully successfully see launched effects as being a major contributor as a sensor on the battlefield and so PCC4 we walk away with a lot of understanding on data threads that extending the network and then some specific payloads that will continue to move with the S&T portfolio lastly moving towards edge our upcoming FVL edge event will be in the fall in September got a little bit different focus this year it is going to be heavily focused on launched effects to the point I've asked the team to develop a lot of y'all remember the old stick slangs if you can grow up in the army I asked for five stick slangs and two are aviation specific focus on aviation threat two are focused on maneuver threat and one is on an intel threat and then we've asked industry to come and provide your capability don't worry about integrating into the network we'll take care of that for you but we want you to show up with your payloads your device your software and then we'll give you the mission task and say hey let's see what you can do against these high end threats to really get a sense where we are inside the industry on capability and then we'll work that closely with David and his team but I think it'll give us a holistic look of where we are with capability right now with launched effects so I'll hold there David one of the other discussions that we've had previously with some of our senior leaders they asked us how can we help you execute these very challenging missions at the speed of relevance that we really need to get this capability to our service and we really look back and we look at the appropriate use of our new authorities with the appropriate levels of rigor to make sure that we could deliver on the pace this accelerated pace that we know technology is moving back so again we are using all of those new acquisition authorities no-tier acquisition authorities urgent capability acquisition yes we're still executing multi-year contracts we're still executing some major capability acquisitions in theory and history we've got a lot of sets of repetitions doing that but we're building sets of repetitions on how to execute military urgent capability acquisitions and we're using the appropriate contract some of those could be far based contracts some of those could be other transactions so we agree and that balance between the rigor and the speed is really what we're looking at across our portfolio to be able to then deliver the capabilities really quickly and we'll see that when we stage it here in a moment we won't still be thunder about the individual programs quite yet but just know that if you look across these lines of effort just in launched effects we're looking at using the appropriate authorities that Congress has provided that our army senior leaders have supported us here and that's a direct reflection of the feedback through the actual full-chance man all the way up to the Pentagon and over to Congress and they've supported this clearly so that's been a great opportunity for all of us I believe in the army but we are embracing that in peer aviation as early adopters of those new authorities and capability before we go over to the launch effects of this slide to give a general thought regarding the new authorities the typical thing for battalion and below UAS technology is moving at an incredible speed right now so we are not only in fielding in parallel to fielding we are working on what's next it is not a field of tone in creating UAS we're fielding and we're working on what's next at the same time so for example we are fielding short range reconnaissance in parallel we're working on medium range reconnaissance as a direct requirement I'm sure most of you saw that but most of us for proposals go out on March 31st or excuse me in February 31st it closes March 31st so we haven't seen that look at it and then lastly we can see our LRR long range recon another battalion level asset 55 pounds and below that will wrap in two weeks that is how fast this one one space is moving in the UAS perspective and then moving on to the launch effects this UDS schedule here the amount of support our senior leaders have given is absolutely tremendous so I've seen a lot of you at our industry day the industry day we had for launch effects back in February and this slide was shown with that industry day we shared a bunch of dates and I can tell you today we were absolutely 100% on time meaning every single date in the launch effects program so right now we're working on LE medium range we're in prototype being there we have five vendors that we're working with we did our operational demonstration getting all the data we need to senior leaders to make a building decision that is fast knowing that we are doing it all from an open architecture approach that is when the gentleman mentioned that that is a that company we don't compromise it's very important we are not compromising on that open system of course because the capabilities that we need we don't even know what we might need an FI 28 we might get a non traditional threat but you know what we are going to be in a position to pay load on there and defeat that threat similarly, unclaimed vehicle control throughout the entire UAS portfolio there is one command control for some other ground robots UAS and launch effects so how do you recommend that IOPs look like with their shared interfaces are again you're distributing all out to the industry so if you're an industry partner and you don't have our models I ask that you ask for them you gave them out to and we want your feedback we want to move back and the only way to do that is to share exactly what we're doing and then I'll move it on to the short range launch effects that request for a bid's proposal that went out last week we hit our timeline so short range recon, that's what we thought went out last week we had a collaboration event just yesterday and you'll see that promo request the way people are coming out on Monday and we're moving fast we're going to have at least two vendors minimum of two vendors so this is a wide open space we will not be vendor locked whether it's the air vehicle whether it's a payload whether it's a mission system because that would be again based on technology that would not be the smartest thing to do we need to ensure that we can reach back and stay under the threat and then lastly we have on that end of that specifically to the long range project, as you've seen that schedule they used to have a they've got the lines, well now we're funded so you might have heard in February that we're not funded we are funded for long range today back to the prioritization for launch effects ground and air and working with our PLCOT and our maneuver center excellent team-mates we're getting after all those army priorities okay so I know we're running a little bit probably over, you'll have some questions I'm sure there's some great questions for us and I will give you all a chance to ask us what I'll close with just from the field aviation perspective is that, like I said before yes, I've given some priorities that have adjusted the budgetary priorities that have been adjusted in 25 budget, absolutely but what you're seeing is that our mission has not changed we are still designing, delivering developing and supporting the very best aviation capabilities in the world and building those to our formations to our soldiers, to our joint force to our allies and our partners so it's great to see everybody here today and I super appreciate the teamwork it takes to give here it's a joint teamwork between the army and industry and across many formations in the army to get where we're at today we've got a lot of great momentum and very optimistic for the path ahead here for the rest of this year and next so we look forward to your questions and we look forward to you thanks David, I just say thank you for one for attending and then two you know as I start finish kind of where I've started is launched effects is a very very big portfolio it impacts if you touch a war fighting function I would promise you they're looking at launched effects, doesn't matter if it's intel C2 Shane Upton's probably running around even on contested logistics on something about a launched effect but I look forward for those that are going to come out the edge we look for you out there and once again this partnership up here is just a portion of the broader body pushing this forward and then lastly I'll say is I know I'll have a question hey Ken are you worried about the airspace that's a different discussion as we talked about all the different things flying through the air and I'd be glad to address that and how we got after that at PCC but thank you okay it sounds like we have the video so instead of us sitting in front of it we'll clear out hi thank you on the launched effects I believe a year ago wrote a story on how you're prototyping and I saw on the schedule that yes you did your prototyping and it was a group of vendors that all came together to do that prototyping and then you mentioned now that you're looking at having five vendors can you just crystallize that a little bit more on what you're doing beyond the prototyping or what the decision point was with the prototyping effort and where you're going with that if that's being open to a new competition or something yeah absolutely so when I spoke with the five vendors that's in our medium range rapid prototyping so right now we've begun with the authority with the AAE the air vehicle emissions system and the 2k the vendors and then the integrator so those are those five vendors from the most perspective if we're really open let's have the five different vendors which will inform the initiation of that program here in the fall we went into the shaping panel with Mr. Bush he gave us a thumbs up two star paper street just last week up to two vendors okay thank you for clarifying and I'm sorry if I miss this I came in a little late on future tactical UAS I know there's a desire to move more quickly future tactical UAS hasn't gone as quickly as I think everyone wanted to see it go what's the status on trying to move more quickly in that program or what you're thinking about in terms of the future of that program so we're absolutely on schedule with that future tactical UAS rapid prototyping today you're going to see us execute a production decision and lay net 525 and we're ready to work right now we're just buying the budget so as we're funding we'll be able to accelerate that budget Matt Baynard from Defense Daily on the broader acquisition approach in a projected schedule for launched effects how has that been shaped by the decision to cancel far development and place a greater emphasis on filling that role with UAS and specifically launched effects are you moving faster than kind of originally intended with the launched effects effort and Matt, great question what I'd like to say is that with the decisions that we made when we were balancing the portfolio the launched effects program and you've probably seen some of this already from our team of immigrants that we're absolutely adding resources to the launched effects program so what that's enabled us to do is to integrate additional payloads faster we'll be able to shift saw the scheduled events to maybe a long range of launched effects to bring that left but over our team we saw a robust investment in the launched effects compared to where we were we already have an aggressive schedule which just allows us to bring on more capability faster in these next coming years and I would say the timing was actually almost perfect because as we expanded launched effects to really the three categories that happened simultaneously so our strategy actually grew another category in there so we went short meeting and along now as Danielle briefed and so we've allowed now to actually go after each of those different categories as we see those requirements for the formations that actually happen so kind of a follow up discussion edge and so actually her question is here we evaluating these I would tell you we're looking at how we take capability this right now with industry and apply it to mission sets so edge is experimentation, demonstration, gateway again what I'd ask the team was let's focus more on demonstration and so let's look at threat systems that you know core divisions and brigades would face and let's look at how they would employ launched effects either to launched effects or multiple launched effects with their payloads that we would be able to sense it, be able to transmit it and then you know provide a lethal solution to it if you needed to because more of the demonstration we're very focused on some of the ranges that we're going to have to operate and extend against you know the last pieces is the software aspects that gets to the behaviors of how they're going to interact you know a lot of people talk about one to one control one person to one control the launched effect we've got to get one to many and so that one to many means one controller to a lot of different vehicles that are operating to get in a collaborative motion that's another big piece we're looking at to demonstrate how it ends one more one more in the back sorry Dan so I'll go back to has been demonstrated and what are we looking to feel when we're supposed to tranches the capability and what's the delta feeling right I think that's what the question is so looking at that delta of what's been demonstrated what's yet to be demonstrated we see things like collaborative teaming one to say ten vehicles we haven't seen collaborative teaming demonstrated maybe a one to say a hundred we'll get out to larger quantities of advanced teaming autonomous capabilities those are the kind of things that are really going to be impacted on the battlefield so we're going after things we know are mature and our existing strategies and our existing requests for white papers if you know RFPs who are asking for mature things that we've seen that are demonstrated but I think that those reach goals are going to grow there's some objective capabilities in there if you don't think we're seeing every good idea that's happening in the industry we want to make sure we canvass all of the industry to get the feedback to get some use and things to the left so that's just one example and I would say it's just that immigration of new payloads and capabilities we look at the payloads from the TRL immigration readiness level perspective as well we've got a lot of great support from PUI, WS, and PEO this is a space there to help us look at the TRLs and those payloads and I think as we look at the TRLs and those payloads we're always looking to accelerate things into our strategy as soon as they become demonstrated and really not just in the lab but we want to see that happen I'll just have you off that so they did talk about the software and the behavior and some of the payloads the other piece we need to start getting to is what does this really look like being watched from the ground is this a self-contained computer with multiple launch effects in it that are already synchronizing with the launch I put it in the perspective of a formation somewhere a new place on the globe today we haven't had a watch this we have not really moved towards that and so David and I and Daniel we talked a lot about this how do we start advancing the capability is it truck mounted does it come off of a specific vehicle self-contained already powered already synchronized so that's one piece that Angel helped us look at also is what does this really look like on the employment method ladies and gentlemen welcome to the warrior's corner our next presenter will be presenting in one minute OIB modernization headquarters AMC our executive director deputy commanding general Miss Mary Ann Wicker and with her is Stephanie Hogan we will begin we are going to defend some industrial base we are going to talk about industrial base talk about national security and policies and the things that we have to do to stay ready to assess the microphone so we will all evaluate the OIB industrial plan our facilities are nearly on average 80 years old we are going to make a portfolio our size plan to make sure that we modernize what's going on down to the end we said we need to get back together we need to modernize our facilities and what will it take so we took about 15 months in total 6 months in earnest from October of 21 until March of 22 and laid out a 15 year modernization plan our facilities are 80 years old that's actually new too but that's not why we needed the modernization and from three security comparisons we got up front when you think about the 31st of 4 or a lot more when the systems are coming in they are next to a squad weapon that prevents a combat vehicle we need to modernize for all the systems that are coming in modernizing without taking into consideration what's coming down the pipe in the next time we need to modernize we need to also modernize for our endurance system that is staying alive we want more endurance we are from these we are drill to be all of these systems but the army is going to continue to use and the last thing we have to do is sunset legacy capabilities depending on what it is the army by nature sometimes are warriors and we keep a lot of things for the whatever we have to look at what things do we need to adjust so that we can bring something new that's what really drove this the fact that our system our facilities are going to result it was we said to use the terms of comparison so you think about a plane 5 LOEs for number 1 we have to modernize our facilities the places that we are stopping and we will talk about that in a minute what we are going to do there so we will talk about the facilities line about for number 2 is modernizing our keeling and our hemisprazing we want to get off the paintbrush that we have line about to remember and really important is the human capital when we change our facilities we also got to make sure that we modernize the workforce because right now there is great angst and if we modernize the facility we have to raise the workforce it's not true when we come from Detroit we modernize the auto companies and they actually drill in the number of people because we need different capabilities and so we are embarking on a human capital plan to rescale and upscale our workforce and that's one of the biggest things that we are doing this year and I have got Ms. Christine Fries to raise her hand so Christina is the ANC gene one she is leading up effort on the human capital plan and we have already been working on this time LOE 1 and 2 and this year Ms. Fries is rolling out the human capital strategy so people that have good ideas about revolution can see Ms. Fries last year for the next couple of days LOE number 4 really important and early we got talked about this morning when you think about our facilities we can use OAP the good thing is not a lot of cyber vulnerabilities because they are OAP networked like they should be but as we embark on a plan to modernize that rescale our thinking in terms of IT, cyber and great control networks all those things that we previously haven't done and then line of effort number 4 is really power organization at this scale you have to make sure that you have the power and the energy sufficient to not to do this and so that was the very first question life of 10 years for more important maybe someone said it would be $18 million but still going to do it because our OAP facilities have to continue running and so our OAP we have to mix those two things what we are doing is a three phases five-year plan and that's what kind of stuff we are looking for it was five-year trunking so phase one we are going to really rebuild to a 21st century capability no problem there we are going to let these facilities become 80 years old again because we have done nothing and so we have got a great plan we can look on the slide and make this available for everybody but what we are trying to do is something at this scale how are you prioritizing this so we are prioritizing it a couple of ways prioritizing one to end but we have also looked at what is important what is a problem of any vehicle that is holding a signature modernization versus an engineering version it's pretty rare to see something we have also looked at priorities of our life example management teams looked at life helping safety versus making maintenance versus security, I like that I go the next slide What we came up with was what was called Vulcan. And Vulcan, actually named for the woman God if it was a boundary down in Birmingham, Alabama. So we made our sister in Vulcan. Tony Aquino in there might remember a system called Tuberius, which was also, this is really one of the things about what we did here. It was a take-off of the vaccines program. Back then, general printer wanted the management decision tool to manage complex things. And we took a page out of Operation Warp Steak and built a management decision tool. Why do you need a management decision tool so that you don't make crap or a number of decisions? You know, most of you are involved with budgets. More often than not, when we get a budget cut, we sell on ourselves. So everybody takes a piece of it. That's not the way to manage a 15-year claim. So what we do here is all of our projects are prioritized one to end. So if we have a cut, we can cut appropriately from the bottom up. But also, we have needed to be there. So let's say, for example, I've got a cut in 25, and I can look at another project, let's try to cut, but I can see, have we already invested two years into it when we were in year three? So we can manage it now and make those real-time decisions. The Army asked for supplemental. What do you need to go faster? Maybe four, that's something that would probably take us five, six weeks to put together. Now, this takes us maybe two or three days to go through re-evaluate. Here's what the Army can do. Here's what we can use to the left. Here's what we can use to the right. Or, we can't do it because we haven't got much of our time. So we're already kind of a citizen tool that everybody has access to from the bottom. That's one of the things that this kind of shows everybody. That's why a big plan is already supposed to start in 2024. And we're playing here. And Congress came to us last year and said, you see your plan? Great plan. What if we give you money? What can you pull left? Well, again, if I was involved in, we could pull left. Originally, we were slated. The Army was slated to get about $1.1 billion in 2023 because we were ready, because we had a plan, and finally for our arsenal of elephants, in addition to $1.5 billion in 2023, the Army is now ready to execute and do what they needed to do. That didn't happen just by itself. A lot of planning and this industry, academia, this kind of department. What I want to show here is just a free one so you can see how things are doing. So, Cody Hanna, Michael Leck, and it's done. I'm going to talk about them for a little bit. And one of the Army's biggest problems is Michael Leck's time. We have a lot of contractors that are kind of getting out of the market about circuit boards and things the Army needs to do for vehicles for a long time. Cody Hanna is going to become the Army's service on the area for Michael Leck's time. So we're working modernization programs to get to enforcing. So we've got Rock Island, JNTC, I don't know how bright it is here. It is over in the same. If you haven't been to Rock Island, our show, go and get it. It's our home of two things now. Additive manufacturing. So the jointless forward changes probably by the machine that we can drive things now. But we've done all the additive manufacturing. But the other part, the second thing that's a good problem with the Army is passing forages. And so, are we in the cockpit and having problems with passing forages? So I would tell anybody that's looking for passing forages, go over and see Rock Island. Talk to them about that. So we are investing from an Army modernization program in areas that industry sees as a problem and then the industry sees as a problem as well. We've got many other different projects. But again, we're on a skylight. The fact that the Army is ready and you're a prototype, so we were going to start a program until October 23rd. It's hard to get a full year early because we've had a problem. So that's just a good thing for us. That's right. So what do we need your help? We're a partnership to find the right here. We are looking for people that want to do public-private processes. Right now, we're in our facilities to see that number grow. So what are those kinds of things? It could be use of our machinery. You can think about a lot of LED arsenals. They have machines that contract through a rents timeline. And then we need it and use it. Passing forages, we've already talked about that. We're going to need a lot of help and ideas on our workforce and training our workforce. We're going to need a library to build it out and greater control on it. What we're not looking for, though, is 23 different answers. We're looking for enterprise profit solutions. If you think about, again, the auto-companies which we might be growing up back down, so what do we have? An ICN, a different ICN, and other ones as facilities that would have the same government that's what we're looking for. We're looking to do your contracts for category management. There's some mistake back there and to be happy that I'm talking about that. So when we're buying HVAC systems, we're looking at basically buying those from multiple locations rather than releasing them on a different level. But we want industry to come in and tell us your problems, tell me and share your space. I'm going to tell us what we're looking for. A lot of areas that we don't have an expertise in. So we will want people to come in and talk this product. So this whole room here is the OI doing the need. I think she probably got some of the business cards that she can hand out. But Steph, I'm going to give you a couple of minutes if you don't have the same things to do. Otherwise, I'm going to go to questions. All right, let's go to questions. Steph's going to go to questions. How about questions? Hey, if anyone has a question for me, I'll ask a question for you. What did I want to ask? Thank you, Ms. Wicker, for putting on this. I think as a phase three silver lippin' at new technologies and how we can help modernize and speak to the industry team, what way is the best way to engage? Is it for industry to be able to do that? Can you do this? Well, that's a great question. So we've held multiple events. And so we have industry days. We have days like today. Which of the business cards do Ms. Holdland, our partner team are around here? Can all the OIVT members please raise your hand? So we've got one of only five or six of them that you can make sure your business card is to your partner. Well, we have different forms. So Steph has led probably 15 forms since the beginning of the fiscal year. So there are multiple venues. And there are also venues for time trackers to compete for some different OIVT modernization money, too. So I'd encourage you to talk to Ms. Holdland, okay? Who else has a question? Come on, 15 years, 18 billion dollars. You've got to get questions and concerns. There you go. Hi, I'm sorry about the start of that. I noticed in your slides you have facilities as one area in line with the effort. And then you have cybersecurity in another. And so I would like for you to consider where you're looking at a little bit because as you talk a lot, industry-reconciled systems and operational technology, I think we've been too focused on the OIVT side to side with for so long that we've made the wrong side of the fact that the period is a time of the rest of the fiscal year. So maybe in terms of priority, or at least do not stop OIVT's new OIVT, so I'd really just a comment. Thanks for this. You have a great comment. So the reason we had it said clearly is because not everything needs the same thing. So for example, if somebody has a brand new facility, I'll talk about Poby Hannel. The Poby Hannel has in the last 10 years probably run their 900 million in modernization. So they may not need the facilities, they may not need a tooling, but they may need the integrated control network. And so what that isn't is a one size for every brand. It is, here's all of the different things that we know somebody will need some product. And so that's kind of what we're doing, but I appreciate your feedback. And it's always good to make sure that you're linking the facilities with the control models. But I think that's one of the things that we didn't do. About when we put our ERP in there back in 2010, 2009, we just ran a lot of people in the prep hazard relief we did. And I think that's what we had to do at the time. But to the point now, as we're looking at these facilities, let's make sure that it's all done in lots like together. I appreciate that. Somebody else have a question right here? Thanks, man. Since we have defense one. So I was wondering if you could contextualize how much capacity the various locations are at. And if you ever thought about using excess capacity that you have to help some of the private sector industrial gaps. I mean, dimwit production, for instance, is famously stunning. Are the things that the OID could do to help that? Yeah, so in terms of capacity, we depend on capacity. Anastasia Army Double is a different thing with capacity, a lot of things. So it depends on what progress. I will tell you right now that our anastasia is breaking a lot of work through for the return. To your point, Sam, absolutely. That's what we want industry to come for. So there are some things that they need to do in the facilities or buildings we have. We're machine sharing, absolutely. So I think there's always opportunities to do that. We do have some pockets of excellence where they do that. We also have cases like that. And for example, they do a cooperative partnership with one of the OEMs. OEM has the vehicle and they come on as, for example, with the sole perspective, we built the ambulance kits and they've stopped them all together. So absolutely, that's what we're going to continue to do. Hey, Sam, look forward to talking to you tomorrow, okay? Great. You want to say a question? Okay, snicker. I heard you speak of the different lines of effort we spoke of being ready so that you were able to receive an additional $1.5 billion in funding. Sam, I was speaking with assuming that you continue to be continuously ready with your modernization tool. Can you share what the next steps might be with another $1.5 billion or $1 billion that just happens to be available? We actually can. A lot of the focus right now is building out the ambulance. We will race for a number of years and challenge the things with our ambulance. So any form of the greater needs right now about our ambulance. So I think, if I had to just pull a number out of the air right now, you would see prioritization for ambulance, I think, tomorrow. But there's also some of our doctoral facilities that need to expand and build and build that buildings that are going to patch work together. So it would depend on the type of funding. It would depend on what mission it's going to. But for a day and a second, probably more ammunition focused, something very new. Got a question? Bear Hart, how are you doing? Bear Hart, so can you mention for the modernization, so for the industry, what are your top three challenges that you probably want us to walk away with today and say, hey, I think I'm going to have a solution when we come back, this one is harder than I thought. Castings and forging, microelectronics, I'm going to give you four. ICN Integrated Control Networks, we both have the experience with that, and the capital. We have to make sure that, and you're always looking for how do you use other people's money or different solutions. For our community's capital, I'll just give you an update. When a double or small amount of cash to pay for all the modernization of people, it goes into the rich. It's a zero shunt of them. And so one of my jobs is, how do I find additional funding upon my labor, upon the education to help us fill and you fill our workforce. You don't worry about that for a while. What we're looking for is what are your good ideas? And so again, casting and forging, industry-wide, we're having a problem with that. And now we're coming with microelectronics, and we think about badly circuit cars, badly sensors, a lot of obsolescence with that. So we need help with that and building out that people's data. And then certainly, as I mentioned, any great consultant, we just don't have the expertise with that. And so people that understand and best serve their facilities, they see how to put those things in and what are the right things to do. That's what we're looking for. And then always, first and foremost, the people, they're almost valuable assets. And so how do you take that person that was the teacher to go hit it on a manual perspective and now these TSC is going to be a person that is running that automated paint machine and calibrating it and calibrating it. So it's going to be an upscale and reskilling. And a lot of that, when you're changing people's jobs, there's a lot of answers to that. And so you've got to make sure that whatever we put in place, we're communicating to the workforce as well. Thanks for the question. Anybody else? Last chance? All right, so look at it. We've got Ms. Kupry-Hogan. We've got a lot of opportunities here to talk between a, please find our OIS team. If you can't find our OIS team just on the other side, there are a couple of our dapples represented there. We can certainly get questions here about it. I want to thank everybody for your time today and for your investment in the OIB, which is our nation's national spirit. I'm thankful. Am I hot? Good. Hey, good afternoon, everybody. So we're the last panel before they can actually go out and have probably a nice beer or something after this. So we're going to keep them over a little longer just because that's who we are and what we do. But I wanted to start off. My name is John Ray. I'm the network cross-functional team director and I've got a panel of team members here. I'm going to let them introduce themselves, but I wanted to open it up and kind of set the stage to the discussion we're going to have today on the electromagnetic spectrum. I took a lot of interest in this particular event about a year and a half ago, maybe two years now. So let's imagine that the year is just 2025. Biggest concern I have is, imagine that you're trying to drive and go somewhere and stop light, stop working. You go to the gas station, all the pumps are down. You know, our leaders are being tracked all over the world because we all have our cell phones in our hand. We're out in the battlefield operations and there's more cell phones just giving away our positions unable to hide in plain sight. That's a concern that all of our leaders currently have today and we want to just stop by and have a discussion on how you can help us across our forces, not only the army, this is a bigger problem than just the army problem. Hiding in plain sight and the spectrum, understanding it. We took 20 years off during the last war and not really focused on the spectrum. And now we are because our enemies have advanced and their capabilities to find us on the battle space. And the help that we need from you is just that. How do we allow commanders to see themselves one? Two, how do we increase the training so our soldiers, our leaders can understand what it looks like to be in the spectrum? And then is there capabilities out there that can reduce the power on the systems that we're using, smart power that can reduce the output so that we are hiding in plain sight? That's the discussion we want to stop by right now and just have with you and just, well, we'll take questions at the end but we brought a commander along who's gonna tell you specifically his concerns from his operational view of the battlefield. So I'll pass the mic over, thanks. Sir, thank you. Colonel Tom Getke, I'm the 10th Mountain D'Vardy Commander and just gonna share perhaps a couple of observations from my approach as a unit commander. I see it two different ways and I'd like to pull the string on this a bit. So first, I'm dual-hatted. My first job is as the Division Fire Support Coordinator and in that function, I lead the targeting process for the Division. Secondly, I'm a functional brigade commander that owns a number of the critical assets to employ in a LISCO environment for the Division. So the first approach or the first way I look at this is that the EMS is the first form of contact, always. Okay, we sense to make sense. So we look at the electromagnetic environment and it identifies something is there. We don't know quite what it is, but we take that sensory information and then we couple it with our intel team to make sense of it. And if we do that correctly and it meets the attack guidance standards that we've set and the target selection standards that we've set, then it ultimately sets us up for a strike. So that's the first kind of vantage point that I'm looking at this problem set. The second is that the EMS crosses all domains. Okay, so when I look at it, I look across the Army as a service and the Joint Force and I pull all of those capabilities together and I say really what that is is that's the assets available that I have to strike a target, okay? And then lastly, just putting my functional brigade commander hat on, I look at it from a critical vulnerability standpoint. I own Q53 radar, the Sentinel radar. I am the force field artillery headquarters for the division. I am the division's alternative command post. And so all of those concerns, the exposure, how do I mitigate that exposure and survive on the contemporary battlefield? With those concerns, the team kind of came together and thought, how do we rehearse this? Coming at it from juxtaposing these two positions, we said, well hey, why don't we develop a training series? Our training series is called Hunter EMS. And essentially what it does, the electronic surveillance hunters against the critical asset or what we do, organic radars, they go hide, we essentially say, radars you go hide, sensors you go hunt them. And it's a scrimmage essentially, a cat and mouse game where we frequently go back and forth and can iterate frequently and kind of sharpen our own skills from an individual and unit standpoint. From the hunter side, we have PR 200 spectrum analyzers, a number of other assets started out kind of from a terrestrial based system and then integrated the third dimension in a number of ways. But really what they've learned is the value of teaming. If you send three teams out there, they've got to learn how to identify a line of bearing, how to identify a side lobe, conduct a resection, a triangulation to reduce that target location error to a threshold where we can actually strike a target. So how they team together and then how they communicate with each other is critically important. On the other side, the critical assets, the radars are also in a teaming function. It's not just the radars that I own, you couple all of the radars in the 10th Mountain Division into a target array where they're up, then they're down. They're up, they're down, they're covering the same area but they're mitigating their exposure. They have very disciplined emission control. The second, you have a number of other pieces with that, the terrain masking, but probably the biggest piece from a critical vulnerability standpoint is getting the soldiers, these young NCOs to understand that you're always being hunted. As soon as your system turns on, you can be identified in the electromagnetic spectrum. That's a bit of a hump to get over that as soon as you're up and operational, somebody's trying to hunt you and kill you. Your goal is to stay outside of a targetable threshold so that they might see you, they might know what's out there but stay out of the distance, out of a target location error where they're not going to choose, you're not gonna meet their target selection standards or their attack guidance and so they choose not to strike you. That's a bit of a hurdle to overcome but their mission has ultimately become hard to kill. And so Hunter EMS continues to iterate on this cat and mouse game, throwing complexity at each iteration, but we've been incredibly, I would assess we've achieved success because one, it's hard to do and two, there's not many ways to go about it. It requires a lot of creativity to kind of actually practice operations in the electromagnetic spectrum. So that's just the 10th mountain story and we can discuss further if anybody's got any questions. Sir. Thanks. I'm Brigadier General Ed Barker. I'm the Program Executive Officer for Intelligence and Electronic Warfare and Sensors. So Aberdeen Proving Ground. So thanks for the opportunity to be here today. Thanks for the opportunity with the team sir, appreciate it. Just want to give a quick shout out to our, shout out some love to our friends in Baltimore, giving everything to happen this morning. I'll tell you, as far as the Aberdeen family, we're very close to that area and it's not uncommon for our employees to commute in that space. So thoughts and prayers for them. So the Army's really focusing on reducing the static command post, the signature and ensuring that our commanders have the freedom of maneuver and the need to do C2 at the time and place that they want, right? And so from my Foxhole, as the PEO delivering a lot of the capabilities, I mean, that's what I'm trying to do is make sure that the commanders have the tools to do just that. So efforts like our Electronic Warfare Planning and Management Tool, our situational awareness system, our spectrum situational awareness system and also our modular EMS system. Those are some of the tools that we're using to get at that. From an EWPMT, we want that commander to have the means to be able to manage all the EW assets in his space to remotely control them if needed and to really inform the decisions that he's making, he or she is making across the EMS. From an S2AS standpoint, that is what we're really learning right now is that is a critical need. You need to be able to understand not only what you look like within the EMS, but where are you being influenced? What does the blue signature look like? What does your signature look like? Where are the conflicts? And making sure that you understand when you have that situational awareness so you can manage and mitigate the risk is what it really boils down to from a capability standpoint. And then on the modular EMS system, think of that in terms of, it's really about obfuscation and hiding in the open, hiding in the noise and confusing the enemy. And that's what we want to be able to give them the tools to do. So as they manage that across their portfolio. And then the reality is from a risk standpoint, opportunities like the Hunter EMS, I mean, we got to continue to leverage those. If you guys have not experienced or seen what they're doing or had the opportunity to go up to Fort Drum, I would offer you to take the opportunity to do it. There's a lot of investments. We look at it as a great opportunity to partner and get soldier feedback across our EW portfolio. And what you see up there is it really validates that need, it really validates the need for the commander to be able to have the tools to confuse the enemy to the point where the enemy, he may see something there in the spectrum, but they just can't pinpoint it. And something as simple as that and giving them a lack of understanding so that they know exactly what is there. That's the critical part, something as little as that. And we're gonna continue to have lessons learned coming out of the different AORs. All of that is gonna continue to inform the requirements. It's gonna continue to inform our investment strategies. And the reality is that EMS is a smaller part of the ecosystem from an EW standpoint that we just have got to continue to do better in and to refine. It feeds into the larger narrative from an Army standpoint that we, you know, given the focus on coin for so many decades, you know, a lot of these capabilities, a lot of the expertise is after feed. And you know, so we're working to rebuild that and we're gonna continue to do it. And so we look, like I said, you know, we look for great partnerships with folks like the 10th Mountain, we're gonna continue to do that. And we're gonna continue to make sure that our commanders have the best tools that they can when it comes to manage themselves within the EMS. And I'm gonna turn it over to my good friends, Mark Kitz, it's always great. It's always nice having the guy that was been in your organization for 14 years prior to you. And then he was your boss for two years. It just makes these speaking engagements so easy because I've got like the ultimate phone a friend. Okay. Or at a minimum, I know he's gonna correct me. No, no, no. The answer is in the right hand drawer of your desk. I thought you were just gonna blame Mark Kitz. I'm a people you know for a C3D on the network. I just wanted to build on a couple of minutes that one of the things that we learned when we have heard what was happening in the Ukraine, we learned that operations inspector changed over time, right? Significantly, where today the fight was very different inspector than it did two or three months after the conflict started. And so Tom talked a lot about how are we dispersing our command tools? How are we setting up and building discipline in our formation? And how we emit or how we present dilemmas to the enemy? And so there's two things I wanna talk about very quickly. One is how are we enabling commanders with a modular command post? How are we enabling commanders to not build static command post but give them options in how they get after building their command post or setting up their command post? Because this idea that Tim's Mountain is going to encounter the same fight that 25th idea is going to encounter would be a fallacy if we built the same command post infrastructure for those two divisions because they're gonna fight in very different ways. And the second thing I wanna talk about with John Ray talked about was how do we hide in plain sight? When we talk about that being a technology problem, we talked about that being how we leverage technology and so I'm gonna talk a little bit about that. So first, I wanted to talk about our command post, right? How today we deliver command post to our army is very much how we deliver radios, right? Here's your command post. And we're working to change that concept. And so in 1011, we engaged with industry on a few RFI. In 1012, we're gonna be showing some prototypes and getting after buildings and capabilities. But what I'd like to be able to do is give the division commanders, give the gate commanders options in how they employ their command post. So what does that mean in reality? That means each of these divisions are fighting on different combat platforms, ISVs for the likes, VLPDs for the heavies, Eden Ampies for the heavies, strikers in their striker formations. Some formations are fighting strikers even when they're not a striker formation. So how do we give those commanders a modular way to deploy their network, employ their CQ capabilities so that they can shoot moves and communicate in a way that allows them to fight, in a way that they wanna fight, not the way that the equipment dictates that they fight? So really, I'm challenging industry. How do you build an agnostic platform, power capability, so we can do TACOM on the news? So I can do robust IPN or lower passable video formations, so I can get them much smaller. So TACOM is a fantastic job of outlaying for the operational dilemma, but we on the material side have to give him options so he can employ his radar battery, he can employ his main CQ in a much more modular way so he can move much faster or he can set up static for his full ops to be used to giving that commander options as a key to the future of our command port. And that I think is a huge challenge to industry and I'm looking forward to hearing the options that you can provide. The second is this concept of hiding in plain sight, right? If we could provide commanders the opportunity where they can see themselves and the spectrum around them and then give them opportunities to communicate in ways that work the exact same way that the rest of the environment is, I think is the panacea of where each of the core commanders wanna get to. So Ed talked about how we give the commander the ability to see themselves. Now I think our job on the network side is giving them options to communicate the same way that the rest of the environment is communicating, whether that 5G, 4G, even 3G in some part of the world, whether that's Wi-Fi, how we deliver a commercially based solution that provides those dilemmas to the targeting opportunity, right? And so I think industry has a lot of opportunities to provide us with commercial ways to communicate in that hiding in plain sight. I'm looking forward to working with you on that. And with that, I'll conclude my remarks and I'm looking forward to your question. Yeah, and I'll add one thing. And you said disperse and you do want the commanders to be also digitally connected while they're moving. That's a big point. I'm sure that's exactly what you're looking for. So we look forward to your questions. Pass that back. There you go, right there. Thank you, sir. Scott Porter from Dallas. Thank you for calling out our Maryland neighbors. I just throw over that bridge as soon as we can. Let's see. Mark, I know you're an EWC. Yes, you're the mic. We're supposed to answer it. All right, I know this isn't an EWC question. You know, when Secretary Kerry was explaining the delivery of the march just today, one of the very first things in the radio platform that we're serving, how do y'all feel about where do you think you are in the mall? Yeah, so we're running a radio as a service pilot right now, which is out on the street and very close to a word, I think, if I remember correctly. Really, we want to engage with industry on where is our return on investment if we go to an as-a-service model? I think one of the things is being new to the network that was surprising to me is you go to a lot of units and they have a lot of radios at the ready. Not necessarily being used. Even when units go to JRTC, they're using less than 50% of the radios that we equip the unit. So nobody wants to be in the business of giving radios to units that are not gonna necessarily leverage all those radios. And so what the Army wants to get to is an on-demand model. We want units to use the radios that they're being given and then when they need capacity, we have an on-demand model to do that. Now, there's a lot that goes into the relationship with industry in this as-a-service model and I really see what the under-talked about today or what we're going after with this pilot program is a dialogue with industry. Where are the breakpoints? How can we make sure we give these commanders the radios they need to deploy now and the radios that they could need when they need capacity to increase? And so I think there's really a dialogues kind. I'm looking forward to that dialogue with industry. He also mentioned SACCOM as a service so I'm gonna use this as an opportunity. I think that's a much more mature option, right? I think the industry is much more mature. There's a much more robust commercial demand. And so I think we're gonna much more aggressively pursue SACCOM now and engage with the dialogue with industry on radio as a service. And so hopefully that gets after your questions. Thank you. I'm trying to see what's up next in front. I have a question about the EWP&T and EMBM and the relationship of the joint community to EWP5. What's kind of the future if this is a strategic requirement in synchronizing with the Army systems in the EWP&T? Yeah, so EWP&T, obviously Army requirement, I think it feeds into the larger JATC2 conversation when it comes to that. There's a lot of opportunities within the space right now to get after those. I think one of the things you're seeing and it's really across the portfolio is some of the foundational elements that we're doing like Titan as an example, one of those good placeholders from that standpoint. And then some of the work that we're doing from a commonality aspect when it comes to, again, I'll go into the integrated sensor architecture and understanding that type of commonality, CMFF, CMOS and all those different open standards. That's what's really laying the foundation for that common JATC2 conversation. And I think that's what feeds into the larger joint requirements. Okay. Do we kind of keep the Army requirement? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I would say, EWP&T is another example of this blending of enterprise and tactical, right? And I think you're seeing that certainly in the network. And so the JATC2 opportunity that Ed talked about is really, on the network side especially, right? This play, we're not gonna talk about a tactical network and an enterprise network anymore. We're gonna talk about one Army network, same for EW, we're gonna talk about EW as a holistic capability as integrated with JATC2. So I think I got it right. I'm dealing with this very much for the common sense. I'm going to pick from APSG technologies. With that line-chain segment, EMS, CMFF approaches, how soon do you think they'll be put in there? I'll go first then, I'll get it to General Ray. So right now we're doing 4G technologies, right? So we're already experimenting. I think we're challenging industry on how does hide-and-played site apply more broadly, right? So if the EMS environment IndoPaycom looks very different than it does in UCOM, how can I build a flexible solution or a modular solution to hide-and-played site in the different AORs around the world? Because that's not by a program and a bunch of serial numbers, right? It's okay, how do I get after a portfolio of capability and what should that portfolio look like? And then how do you drive that sort of at scale? That's kind of, you know, sort of what we're looking at. General Ray, I don't know if you want to add. Yeah, just real, so from an S2S standpoint, good example, that's a new start in 25. We already have RFIs out on the street looking at existing capabilities. We fully anticipate that'll be a COTS-type solution. MEMS as an example, 26, new start. We're seeing what's out there, RFIs as well, and just waiting to see how that competes in the palm. I think we'll get the same score for this one. So, certainly a different topic when it comes to our own systems being done. There's a lot of evidence from the crane that the precision weapons we gave. We're jammed by the Russians, not always having those targets correctly. How concerning is that to you from an UW perspective and what are we doing or paying you done to harden precision weapons to make them more resistant to UW? Thank you. I can offer you some feedback maybe not answer the question directly, but as an institution, we need to work on the submission of 1494s and work on how if we're going to incorporate jammers, if I go out into my backyard and want to try and jam my own systems just to continue to sharpen my team, that's a work in progress. It takes a long lead time. There's a ton of coordination that goes into that. Stepping that up, doing that for GPS is way harder. I will just tell you in one of the early Hunter EMS iterations, we just had to shut it down. Just shut it down because we had the local Carthage Hospital, we had the Watertown Airport and frankly we have Canada right there and you can't bleed over into any of those and you just got to be very careful so it's kind of a precision based approach but we do need to find and if each unit is going to go out and practice in their backyard, that is something that we have to work toward. So there's definitely some opportunities in the space when it comes to how you can achieve precision when it comes to that. The other aspect of things right now is when you're looking at M-Code as a possibility, right? So the Space Force just came online in late February. That constellation is now active. We have done some of our GPS-9 environments testing for our maps and our DAPS systems. Highly successful in that area. Those are the first M-Code capable systems and so one of the things I know that we're looking at from an Army standpoint is with that coming online, so what's our investment strategy going forward to get at the kind of legacy kit that has either SAZM or other GPS sources that are not M-Code compliant? So that's one of the things I know we have as a do-out from a service standpoint we're going to be working. I think it gets back to one of the points I made earlier is that we have to understand the training is going to have to take place so we understand the spectrum. It's been 20 years since we've really operated in it and I think we're a little bit behind and I think it's going to take a lot of training so we can understand what we look like and how do we protect ourselves Thank you. John, from the perspective we've heard about this in a year now it's safer than I thought. There is an important and welcome we're responding. So like we were asking for this but I know that Joe's not here to just say he's not here to be fair now. But like hey, to get that feedback to say hey, there was some innovation there was feedback, they had some interest but there was never any kind of follow through. So I just think they asked us is this the only thing that benefited but then in other evidence I don't get back. If we want to bring innovation into here other than like this, how do we get that feedback? How do we know if it's hit in New York or not? If there is this or that it's a feedback across the board but it's safer than it is the place to do that but if they don't get feedback how do we do that? Take the next step. How do we know where we're going? I know you guys are trying to agree with that but just do it this way. Jason, thanks and I apologize I don't know the Vulcan specific I hope you're doing well but I will say this right at C3T and Network CFT we run a twice year 10 with over 1500 attendees this year General Ray and I do a whole day of one on ones in the first day I am personally fencing off one day every month to engage directly with industry and so I believe it is a PEO's personal responsibility to engage and give feedback and answer those types of questions and so I take personal responsibility in that Jason so however we can improve I'm happy to hear that and please don't be shy about directly reaching out okay? I think the times have been very successful I mean I know you guys are doing a good job but the thing is you guys are doing a good job just getting some other cases more feedback I feel like it has been very good these times have been exceptional at that dialogue so I want to get credit there and say I've been and I think one of the things IEWNS does really well is the all industry engagements and so it helps industry determine what is real what is changing what are the solicitations that are coming and so I think I know C3T is going to evolve to that I don't know if John Walker can talk about that real quick yeah it's the same we do the same thing at Tuesday a month right and it's kind of like a mini version of this I joke and call it vendor speed dating I mean just back to back half hour blocks all day and take a little 30 minutes for lunch but that's the means to in my mind that's the way to get to the feedback and we have a close relationship with Joe when it comes to those types of things so we try to stay in tune with what he's looking at see where that maps to where we may be going and understanding any possible transition so we try to stay in sync on that but if we're blaming anybody around here blaming Joe is perfectly fine oh he does have a question please pass the mic to the most important person in the room the mic's coming over to you so Dave Walker I don't know if you've talked about this and I think it's come out at least in the press the idea of the sensors the deep sensing CFT and so the question I would have is as I see the network CFT and the second EWS side getting closer Task Force ISR how does that new CFT the system CFT relate to the larger IAWS portfolio and then the network CFT and the just how this whole network comes together I'll speak to our part but you're actually kind of Mike Montalune might be a little upset because that is literally the topic tomorrow for our session when it comes to how we're going to tie in with that but the reality is our relationship with the CFT and with AP&T CFT as well as the ISR Task Force has never been stronger the reality is this is just in our mind just an escalation of that codifying the relationship a little bit more I think there's going to be a lot more opportunities the levels of interaction I was on the original one of the original plank holders for the network CFT as we kind of stood that up and so we're going to be proud to be a part of that and helping Mike as the material provider as a portion of that we're assuming so but as to the network I would have to and because the network depends most of that obviously we're going to be working very very closely together and show the requirements that are set there means the needs to what needs the outcome needs to be from the network itself so that'll be a great relationship along with the PDOC3T I think that was the last question they told us to take we got the hook back there but I just wanted to tell everybody thanks so much we'll be up here if you want to talk to us offline but appreciate everybody coming by and just spending some time with us thank you so much