 PDP National Chairman Iochai Yu reacts to recent suspension by party ex-court saying it is an exercise in futility, even as the governor of River Stadia's of weekly back suspension, saying are you contributed to the PDP's loss and just concluded elections? Tonight we'll discuss the PDP crisis which is lingering even after the 2023 presidential and governorship elections. This is Plot Politics, my name is Nyangu Hakeiji. The National Chairman of the People's Democratic Party Iochai Yu has dismissed his proponent suspension by a section of his word executive over alleged anti-party activities as the handy work of some desperate ignorant gamblers who lack basic understanding of the PDP constitution. The National Chairman of the People's Democratic Party PDP Dr. Iochai Yu was suspended by the executive for alleged anti-party activities. The suspension of Dr. Iyuu was affected by the word executive of the party in Iguarov ward of Boko Loko government area, Benware State. Meanwhile Governor Nyesom Weke of River State has said he is in support of the suspension of the National Chairman of the People's Democratic Party PDP Iochai Yu. Weke stated that Iyuu played a major role in the colossal failure of the PDP in 2023 general elections. Joining us to discuss this is later on we will be joined by Chidi Lloyd Chairman Emoja local government area of River State. But right now we have on standby Osse and Nene a chieftain of the People's Democratic Party. Thank you Osse for joining us on the program. Yeah, glad to be here as always. Okay, well PDP is now becoming synonymous with crisis. Before the election there was crisis even though the party was denying it that there was no crisis and they were going into the part into the election as one undivided house. Right now after the election and what the governor of River State is calling a colossal failure, there still seem to be another crisis wherein the national chairman has been suspended. Would you like to get your comments on that first of all before we move on? I think if you have a headache and you don't treat it or you don't treat the source of a problem, it's no surprise if the problem persists. We have some people within the party who have unfortunately decided to play almost like an antagonistic role and that wasn't treated before the elections that persisted during the elections and that's what we're seeing play out today. Okay, well before we go on let's just take a listen to what the governor of River State said and when we return there are other issues that we need to look at for instance what the constitution says or what the PDP believes should be the steps to take before someone can be suspended because there are so many things coming from this case that we are handling today. So let's listen to the governor of River State and his comments on the suspension. Not only did you take a distant tour in the presidential election in your state, you also lost the state as far as governorship election and they know the antics of Iowa. You know, if you know Iowa very well, he has told us before now that he is very close to the president-elect Ben Aswajib Bonatteribu. He also claims that he is very close to the presidential candidate of the PDP. So whoever that emerges, whoever that wins, he has nothing to lose. He said that? Yes. That didn't tell me that he never said so. Is it wrong to be close to both of them? You don't know what the point I'm making. The point is that, who is that attached to? If this person wins, it's okay. If this person wins, it's okay. How can somebody be the leader of the party? Are you behind the suspension? I'm in support of the suspension. In fact, if I had left before now, they would have said he left and that would wipe PDP in the election. But, thank God, he presided over the colossal failure of the party. And so staying there doesn't make sense again. You have to look for a way how the party can be rebuilt. And that is the tutorial matter. Okay. We are hearing like the voice of the G5. That's what I'd like to say because Wike was leading the G5. The governors who said that whatever IU was doing was wrong, unconstitutional and all. But we don't know what the constitution of the PDP actually says. For instance, people from the world of Iochua IU have suspended Iochua IU. He came out to say it's an exercise in futility. Even though right now the court, the High Court in Ben Westad has barred him from parading himself as the national chairman of the PDP. What does the constitution of the PDP actually say about how or the steps that need to be taken before someone can be suspended from the party? Thank you very much. I always like giving a historical background of things so people understand the journey and where we are today. The PDP, when it was formed in 1998, I never tell, saying it was formed in the backdrop of the military. Abacha had just died. There was a transition government. So very quickly a set of individuals, the G34 at the time, formed the core of a party. That eventually became the PDP. And so we had a constitution from, you know, written at that time. There was literally just a ticket, a transition ticket from military rule to civilian rule. It was what allowed us to conduct our congresses and it was a very imperfect document. I have every single copy of every single amendment we have made in that time. I have three of them here. We have the 2001 amendment. I think if I can find it, this was it. And what was interesting about this 2001 amendment is that it sort of introduced the idea that the BOT chairman will be reserved for the president. At the time, remember, Abas and Joe had tried his third term bid. It wasn't successful. And so this amendment was almost like a soft landing for him. They reserved the chairmanship of the BOT to former presidents. Then fast forward to 2014, we have the 2012 amendments. That's this document here. And President Jonathan was moving up against the governor at the time who wanted him to hold on to the purported agreement he had that he would only run one term in 2011. And so with Bamanga Tooko, the then national chairman, they introduced into the National Executive Committee of the party the NEC. Not just the governors and former heads of state. It was also senators and House of Rep members. They expanded the NEC so that the governor's wooden house put a strong chokehold over the party. Which brings me to the most recent amendment we have, which is this amendment. The secondous amendment. And what is interesting about this one, because we had instances where party chairman would be removed and then a new party chairman from another zone would assume a leadership of the party. This amendment says, you know, introduce what we call two deputy national chairmen. So you have deputy national chairman, not a deputy national chairman south. Whatever the national chairman is, if he's removed, it would be the deputy national chairman from his zone. It is not a south that replaces him. And that sort of was supposed to cure that loss of representation if a national chairman is removed. But I spoke very quickly about three different manifestos I think I showed you just now. Every single one of them has one thing in particular, in common, two things in common. They penalize anti-party activities and they define it. So if I go to the most recent amendment, anti-party says that the penalty saying is 12-6. No member of the party shall align with any other party or groups on the mind of the party or any of his elected governments. That's one clause. But more important and I think more relevant to your question, it talks about how you discipline members of NWC, high-discipline members of NEC, high-discipline the leadership of the party at the national level. One thing politicians will always protect their interests. So every single copy of the constitution as amended has this interesting clause and I read it to you. It says, this is now the most recent one, 57-7. Notwithstanding any other provision relating to discipline, no executive committee at any level except the national executive committee shall entertain any question of discipline as may relate or concern a member of the national executive committee, deputy governors or members of the national assembly. So to answer your question straightforward, can people at the world level wake up in the middle of the night and get a few members to attach their signatures to a document purporting to remove or suspend the national chairman? This constitution that I've just read is a publicly available document. It says you cannot do that. The problem is that I talked about people in the party who sort of act in an antagonistic role. The problem is that there are people in the party who do not care about the constitution, who do not appear to care about the will of law. Because if you recall, this has happened before. This was the same thing that happened in 2021, I think, with our chairman at the time, Secundus, where again in reverse state, some people at the world level claimed to have removed him and then in quick-fire succession, a court injunction, an ex-party injunction was procured that again restrained him from parading himself. And that's the language that he used, parading himself as a national chairman. And it's illegal, it's unconstitutional, but it's a distraction because once you procure court judgment, that then becomes law. And so you can maybe, you know, bad-fit actors, we always be bad-fit actors. But what rose out of the 2021 episode in August was that in a week, three ex-party injunctions were procured, were obtained. One restrained the chairman from presenting himself as a national chairman for rivers. A few days later, another one I think was gotten from Kirby that vacated that first injunction. And then another one was gotten maybe from Kano, I think it was, that again restrained the national chairman to Condos from presenting himself as chairman. And one of the things that the former Chief Justice of Nigeria did at the time was that he took a very tanko, he took a very hard stance against these procurements of ex-party motions and injurctions and foreign forum shopping. And those three judges were actively sanctioned by the judiciary. So it's sort of disappointing that two years later we are seeing the same actors come out and roll out the same script and the judiciary is allowing itself to be complicit in a theatrical state that really is a road to nowhere. So to answer your question, our constitution doesn't support these actions but they have backed an illegality with an ex-party injunction procured from a client judge. Okay, we've been joined by Chidi Lloyd right now but just before we go to him, I'd just like to get some clarification. You've talked about the fact that even the state ESCO can initiate any disciplinary action on a member of the National Working Committee. Okay, that is understandable. But what steps should be taken to discipline a member of the National Working Committee who is not doing what he's supposed to do at the work level? For instance, if the allegations leveled against the EU at the work level are true, what can be done about that? Will the ESCO just sit and fold its arms and start complaining to the National Working Committee what can they do to be proactive enough to make sure that it doesn't happen? Some of the allegations that they said were that EU does not pay dues at the work level. He's a member of the National Working Committee. They also said that his aides voted against the PDP in his ward. They also said that EU did not even vote in the last election and he lost his ward. So if these things were true, there are very weighty allegations what is the National Working Committee supposed to do? What is the what ESCO supposed to do at that moment? Should they just leave things live because he's bigger than them? What disciplinary actions should be taken by the National Working Committee? Again, I need to stress this point that as a society we have to be governed by laws and we have to respect our laws whether we agree with them or not. And you ask a question that again I just need to refer you to a constitution because it does answer that question. It says nothing in this constitution shall preclude or invalidate any complaints submitted through the National Working Committee to the National Executive Committee concerning any person or any official whatsoever. So there's a process for addressing those grievances embedded and coded in this constitution. I think what has just happened like I said most of these people know this constitution by heart most of them have members of this party since its inception in 1998. This is like I said just a distraction it just is to just continue and attempt to continue to like you said so trouble within the party and keep us from really really addressing the things we need to do. You know it's curious to me because you kept on referencing Governor Wike here Governor Wike talk about supporting the suspension of IU because IU worked for Tinibu. When Governor Wike and his co-travelers have come out publicly to say they are proud that they worked for the Tinibu Presidency they are proud that they worked for OB they have come out to proclaim this so I don't understand the sort of dissonance either they are supporting working against the party or they are not and regardless of their feelings they cannot take the laws into their own hands. We have a constitution and I think they need to abide by I'm a member of a group who just formed all the leadership leagues and it's a collection of young members of the party who are truly tired of coming on these types of spaces to make apologies for the bad behavior of our leaders and I think it's time we start speaking through to these leaders and maybe start putting forward a new breed of leadership that is more reflective of the aspiration of Nigerians. I don't think they have learned the lessons of the just concluded elections I don't think they are aware that Nigerians are tired of this style of opposition tired of this farcical drama that will come out to play almost every day on national television I think Nigerians deserve better and we are hoping to provide better for Nigerians. Okay, thank you very much. Like I did say, we have been joined by Chidi Lloyd Chairman of the Mouha Local Government Area of River State, good evening Honorable thank you for joining us. Hello Mr. Lloyd, can you hear me? Okay, it seems he cannot hear me and as soon as he is able to join us fully, we'll bring him back on. So let me come back to you you touched on some things that were supposed to be my next question and that is the fact that someone like Governor Wike of River State has clearly told us that he worked for the opposition in some quarters. The governor of Ben-Westid also clearly worked for the opposition even if he didn't work for the opposition he aligned, that's the word you used when you were talking about your constitution he aligned with the opposition because he said, he loved for instance the Labour Party presidential candidate so much so that he doesn't even mind or he didn't even mind losing his territorial ambition for him. And we're wondering why Iochayu is working anti-party when the people who have publicly proclaimed have not been suspended as well why is Wike not even invited why is Wike not facing the disciplinary committee as it were why is Iochayu just referred to the disciplinary committee and then Anyim Paisa Anyim has been suspended and some other people so what is going on in the PDP do we have selective discipline in the PDP? That's a brilliant question and that's one of the grounds that I have and the leadership we have with the current end of youth there seems to be a selective application of justice with regards to disciplining airing leaders who clearly come out on national television to say that they are working against the party and will continue to work against the party's interests. People like Anyim like you said why he works against the party in the states people like Fairo Iochayu who came out to say Kinubu and he is with San Wunu and he has no regards I think there should be a question of integrity for the integrity group if you do not agree with an organization or the leadership of an organization and you cannot find legal ways to change it the honorable thing to do is to resign. It's a step away to distance yourself from that organization it's not to stay in as a more and as a saboteur and be acting in this honorable manner it's not something I would do if I have a problem in the party and I disagreed with it fundamentally I would walk away but specifically to Governor Wicked and I think why he hasn't been sanctioned is because I think he realized the gravity of his offenses and he went to get an injunction restraining the party from suspending or disciplining him and Governor Otum I think did the same thing and some of the other people who have been suspended like Fairo Iochayu Chema Roke and Anyim did not get caught order restraining the party from disciplining him you know so I see a lot of bravado and bluffs on television and I think if you think the party is truly powerless to censor your discipline you then set the court orders aside and let's see whether the party is truly toothless but personally I think the more honorable path to take instead of conflict is to just step away from the party hold your head up higher walk into APC or national headquarters and join them as a member that to me is more honorable than the shenanigans currently playing out within the party okay I think J.D. Lloyd has joined us now Mr. Lloyd good evening welcome to plus politics hello Mr. Lloyd yeah okay we couldn't get you first of all but now I'm glad that we can get you now welcome to plus politics thank you okay we're discussing what is happening in the PDP how the ward ex-co expel suspended the national chairman IU the national chairman is also saying that's an exercise in futility the High Court in Benway has said that he should not parade himself anymore as the national chairman of the PDP and then there is the constitution of the PDP saying that nobody can discipline him because he belongs to the national so many things are happening in the PDP we saw this before the election and it seems to be a deja vu and like the governor of reverse state said because of these problems there was a monumental failure of the party that's how he described it I don't know how much better it would have been but what does this say about the PDP is the PDP a party without laws or the PDP is just a party that is dying well thank you very much for this question I'd like to first say that the PDP is greater than any individual be it national chairman deputy national chairman or governor of any states because the PDP has the constitution that governs the conduct of its members and of course this constitution of the party flows from the constitution of the country of Nigeria which is the ground norm and the source of every other constitution or laws in the country when you look at what is going on for instance in Benway state where the world has suspended the national chairman that is the right way to go I'm not looking at the merits or the events that led to that only the Benway people like the one school that can speak to that he was been accused of not being able to deliver his unit and I've asked my friends what does unit mean a pulley unit is that unit that is in front of your house or probably at the primary school in your community not in any other community a politician of that ranking should be able to deliver his unit and the man like you cannot be quarantined to deliver his unit he should actually deliver his state and deliver his political party in any elections so the world has facts about which they have acted and I hear some court in Benway have also given an order restraining the national chairman from parodying himself as national chairman then I saw on the news of a TV station other than yours that the national chairman has said that it is only the national executive committee of the party that can remove him and I know that you would not have made that statement that statement may have been credited to him in error we are told that every judgment of court every decision of court no matter how worthless must be obeyed until a court says otherwise so that is why I know that I haven't been a lecturer in the University of Jaws the one time senate president could not have said that the order of a high court it does not apply to him that is calling for anarchy so the people have all he would do is to go to court and challenge the decision of the court but I'm not saying that the court cannot do anything to him I do not think that is the way to go okay but there is this matter of the constitution which states that actually the ward ex-co cannot do that if the person that is in question is a part of the national working committee that is according to your constitution and then let me just finish and then we have this example of the secretary to the federation who was also removed by his ward but the national working committee of his party overruled and then he was retained so does the ward ex-co really have that power even as the constitution says to remove him let me quickly say this the constitution of the old progressive congress is not the same may not be the same with the constitution the democratic party so when you make reference quickly or hastily to what happened between the the party and the level of the ward in the case of the secretary to government you may be doing so hastily try and find out the PDP constitution says national working committee members cannot be by anybody else accept the national working committee I'd like you to refer me to the section you see it is not enough to come on the TV program and try to babble some people can you tell me section this of the PDP constitution says you recall you recall that the the ultimate power lies with the executive council of the committee at the ward level you recall that in the case of Oshomole that his ward escrow when Oshomole was the national chairman of the old progressive congress he took his ward to expel him from the party so why are you doing cherry picking you cannot do cherry picking so you refer me to the case of the SGF I have also referred you to the case of Adam Oshomole who was suspended by his ward you get the point at this point what one would say ordinarily should not even have waited for his ward to take this decision for leading the for leading the party into this shameful defeat should not even have to have done the needful ordinarily resigning as national chairman that is what every saint person would have done now to stay put it was the same character the same attitude of wanting to stay put that led to the crisis that we have in the political party where people are so much attached to political offices as a cause of the good of the majority the party goes into an election without 5 of his governors and you say to hell with them we will win and here we are here we are they have won how can you no matter what it takes you have not been able to settle your we went into this election fragmented all those who voted for B2B and people who would have voted for the BDP some of those who voted for Rabi Upak and people who would have voted for the BDP and see that it is not enough 5 governors says they have an issue and you refuse to listen you arrogantly carry on and this is what has happened even those who were urging and stalking this fire we are shocked that they are unis so you can see what arrogance can lead to in an organization people must learn to stoop to conquer alright gentlemen we will just take a short break and when we return we will answer some of the questions that we have posed to ourselves right now so just a brief break now we will come back in a moment you are welcome back it is still plus politics on plus TV Africa we are talking about the suspension of the chairman the national chairman of PDP and what is happening within the PDP is PDP respecting its laws or not is PDP heading for the rocks or not we are just looking at this and we are talking with Chidi Lloyd chairman a more local government area of river state and Osse and Neni a chief ten of the people's democratic party so in this second half of this march as it were I am starting with you Osse earlier on before Chidi joined us you read from the constitution of the people's democratic party in fact you had three copies of that three amendments of the constitution you had the 2001 you had 2012 you had maybe 1998 or something and you were telling us the things that were inside that and you said that nobody according to the constitution can discipline a member as high ranking as a member of the national working committee and Chidi defied a little bit are we operating on two PDP constitutions here or you care to shed more light on what you told us earlier on that they what Exco were not right or was not right to suspend your child thank you I forgive my brother I think he's embarrassed so his lack of grasp of our constitution was a bit surprising I will maybe explain it a way because I think he was with the APC and joined us from the APC to PDP so maybe that's why he's really really familiar with the APC constitution and what the PDP constitution contains and for his benefit because I've done this for viewers before this is the PDP current constitution I have several other copies of the PDP constitution here that contain the same provision I'm going to read it is 5710 in chapter 10 of our 577 in chapter 10 of our disciplinary procedures we will read for his benefit it says notwithstanding any other provision relating to discipline no executive committee at any level except the national executive committee shall entertain any question of discipline as may relate to concern a member of the national executive committee deputy governors or members of the national assembly provided that nothing in these constitutions are precluded any complaints submitted through the NWC to the national executive committee concerning any person whatsoever so it's interesting when you hear my brother talk about the PDP being you know a body of laws which we are but he then comes on here to say that what the world people have done is right and is good and he endorses it and his governor endorses it and if we don't like it we should go to court and Nigerians will recognize again just from my recently concluded election what go to court means it's the language of the APC it's the language of somebody who feels you will not get justice when you go to court because maybe when they go to court because maybe they feel they control the judiciary so it's very disappointing when I hear that type of language from my brother who doesn't know how constitutional and then comes on national television to embarrass himself and embarrass the party I frankly am ashamed that we are again this happened in 2021 so it's not it's not new for us we went through this song and dance with it was the same thing they suspended him illegally at the world level they procured a court injunction and they did this we know they distracted us until we held our congress and they brought in IU by their own confession they brought in this chairman and then because they're unhappy with the way things are telling them they want to again revisit the illegality of 2021 and again illegally suspended from the world and they have run to court again and they are once again telling not to go to court it truly is disappointing when I hear my brother talk about you know the party was fractured that's why we lost that's not true we lost because of them they fractured the party Wiki is on is on record as Umahi in fact went to river today was to say we came out of the party the quarrel that's why they left will be left the party because of Wiki I had the left the party because Wiki and they were talking about an arrogance and that the party doesn't belong to any one man that is what is playing out now the content been playing out now is one person wants to control the party and the party a national party is fighting back and I truly am again I am embarrassed and I'm ashamed that my brother is coming out to defend this type of illegality we need to be better we need to be better if we want to provide the type of opposition a Nigerian let us forget that they have afflicted Nigerians with another eight years of APC God forbid that they win their court case let us forget that let us let us assume we are going to be in your position we need to provide a better level of position and it cannot be about this Brigand it cannot be I truly am appealing to my brother sometimes you want to come on this type of shows we don't come and defend in defense but this is our constitution you guys are plotting it and you are endorsing that illegality I cannot get my head around it I truly cannot get my head around it if you want me to Lord I will send you a copy of this constitution okay I don't understand what what is going on okay let me let me get a response from Mr. Lloyd right now if you have what to respond before we move on to other things do you have a response please now I have recently listened to Jose and I want to I want to believe that Jose is the son of the late Donan his father will probably would have been turning in his grave that he has the son of this creature you look at me on a national TV and you say you are ashamed you are entitled to your own views it is people like you that cause the party this type of embarrassment I was a member I was I was elected into the Riverside Assembly in 2003 under the platform of the People's Democratic Party I was a member of the Riverside Assembly back to back for 12 years you know nothing about politics other than to carry on as a man as the son of the late Chief Donan in it you couldn't even deliver your unit and you stand you stay and that's who they to speak rubbish or the chairman of council who delivered his party you know he is so shameful and I have been listening I think if we think that the producer of this program we quickly call you to order you are showing me three versions of the constitution that you have read okay let's even assume do not consider that the the escort at the work level have acted on travires their powers are you also denying that the High Court has restrained the national chairman from parodying himself I think it is you as sugar actually we are ashamed of that you have let this party that people labeled for when you were all on vacation and doing your businesses in Dubai and other parts of the country Mr. Lloyd just a moment just a moment Mr. Lloyd while you are saying that I don't intend to stop you but let me just ask you this so that you add it to your you can add it to the answer that you are giving let me just only for you to bring somebody here to embarrass me let me ask you this you can add that to your answer please I'm not stopping you from answering anything anyhow you want to say it but I want to just add this to you do you have a contrary view do you have something that will counter what Mr. Annene just said because if that is the constitution and he read it that means maybe you have something else that will counter it do you have I said that yesterday my attention was drawn to the fact of what the what ESCO did and also Annene has shown you three versions of the of his own party constitution PDP now what I'm saying I said assuming do not consider assuming do not consider if that will make any sense to Annene that the party acted not by his powers is he also denying the fact that there is a high court judgment from one of the courts in Benway State a market restraining the national chairman and the national chairman is decreed with saying that only the neck is moving and I have told you that no matter how bad a law judgment or other court is it must be obeyed if you do anything to the contrary then you are calling for anarchy okay but how would you describe the actions of your child now we are living whether it is legal or not legal because we have seen the same actions that he is taking now that led to the formation of the G5 as it is and all that and no matter how weighty the accusations against him he always just writes them off nothing will happen that is the attitude Annene is quick to reminding the public that he will not just go back to the party Annene also forgets that the Yogyakai Yogyakai came back from the APC so that you know that you now know those who are enemies of the party Yogyakai you to my mind from all that he is playing now is actually a mole in the PDP and the owners of the PDP have said that they cannot abdicate the pulpit to a stranger no reverend, no preacher abdicates his pulpit to strangers and because this has happened the PDP has paid dearly for it and you come on national TV and begin to pacificate I am not even sure that Annene voted in this past election okay now we are concerned because PDP is the major opposition party I am coming to you now or say is the major opposition party and they went into the election no matter the semantics no matter the words we are using they went into this election not as a united front but like you say the fragmented party whether you see it from any perspective that's how it was now they have lost the PDP has lost and there still is an election in KB state and Adamawa state and these problems are still happening what do you think or what are you doing let me not even say what you are thinking what are you doing as a party to make sure that before this election that is going to hold in April for KB and Adamawa you will go into that election united it doesn't matter whether it is happening in only two states KB is already an APC state Adamawa we thought even Binani had won Binani is APC so if you go into this election divided there is a possibility you will still lose what are you doing to make sure this doesn't happen and we will be very surprised that it is actually I was asking you to say I was asking you to say what are you doing I was asking you to say what are you doing let me say I am the first election I am actually very surprised okay I am asking you to say what are you doing you have a group now and all that so you are trying to reform the PDP what are you doing to make sure you go into this election even though it is happening in two states as a united front this is the leadership league and I am happy that people are watching this conversation one of us represents the old God and the other represents a departure from the status quo and like I said we want to be able to represent the aspirations of Nigeria that sort of is where we are going to with regards to the election you have in a couple of days I will say I think there are several things that sort of like play are playing around in our heads first of all is are we going to have a free and fair contest one of the reasons you know you didn't sort of address it one of the reasons why we are having a supplementary elections is because the first round of elections were contested, were disputed results were cancelled polling results were cancelled there was so much uncertainty and I think that lies squarely on INEC and on the security agency so we hope that now where there is going to be a concentration of attention on these select polling units and local government areas and these two states will have a free and fair contest I am not worried at all that we will win, I think it is competitive because we are ahead and these are sort of like last minute decisions or last minute attempts to steal yes keep it in place we are wrapping up yes but finally I do want to say I think my brother actually deployed and probably wasn't listening when I said I talked about two things I said there was an illegality in reaching our constitution and there was a more maybe more dangerous procurement of expert injunction from the courts and I completely that if a court has served an expert injunction we have to abide by it unless we vacate it that hasn't been done but again it is unfortunate that a court will grant an expert emotion when there is no emergency or urgency on the political matter okay a final word from you Mr. Lloyd that we wrap up very briefly please well I'd like to say that it's unfortunate that Osardini would use the word procure it's so sad it's so sad that Nigerians and somebody like Osardini will procure when the judgement or other favors you it is when there is democracy but I don't think that we should do this to our democracy to our judiciary if you have a case please you go and ventilate your case if you have a superior and human table it before his lordships and don't come on public TV to begin to say procure the judiciary is not a marketplace the judiciary the judge usually is not there when disputes arise it is what the lawyers tell the judge what the defendants counsel or applicants counsel tell the judge that the judge we wait the wait of fairness and arrive at the decision following precedence following precedence of what has happened in similar matters so I do not think that Nigerians should continue to disparage the judiciary when disputes arise we all run to the judiciary the president the candidate of the people's democratic party the presidential candidate has run to the courts to seek justice and people like who are the real enemies of the PDP and the ones now who are trying to get their lordship angry by the type of comments they make on national TV so I wasn't on this program with you today and I take real assumptions to any conduct that will demean our courts we still have very honorable people who sit on the bed and who will do their part no matter who causes now thank you Mr. Lloyd let me get you on that thank you Mr. Lloyd we really have to wrap up right now get good lawyers to cover your case ok thank you very much Mr. Lloyd and Mr. Ose and Nenny we thank you so much for coming on the program we just hope that as Nigerians we want a good government we also want a good opposition so that everybody will be on their toes to make our country better that's all we're asking for so the PDP being a major major opposition please put your axe together whatever it is whether it's in the legal way the moral way the physical way however it's going to be done but we are wishing you luck we are hoping this is not the beginning of the end Mr. Lloyd and Mr. Nenny thank you for coming on the program always a pleasure ok we've been talking with Mr. Chidi Lloyd chairman of the local government state and Ose and Nenny a chief ten also of the people's democratic party on plus politics let's do it again tomorrow my name is Nyam Gul Aggaji bye for now