 It is now 435 p.m. And I'm calling this meeting of the design review board to order Recording secretary, please call roll Board member birch is absent Board member cook is absent, but he'll be arriving late Board member lip-tack here Board member Sharon here Board member with rich Here vice chair Weigel here Chair Jones Carter here Let the record reflect that all board members are present with the exception of board member birch and Board member cook who will be arriving late? Item 2 approval of minutes and there are no minutes to approve Item 3 public comment We are now taking public comment on item 3 Non-agenda matters. This is the time when any person may address the board on matters not listed on this agenda But which are within the subject matter jurisdiction of this committee? Recording secretary, can you please provide instructions to the public? If you're a member of the public attending in person, please make your way to the podium Chair Jones Carter. I don't see anybody making their way to the podium. Let me check zoom As a reminder for members of the public joining via zoom You can select the raise hand the raise hand icon to make a comment if you're calling in please press start 9 Board member Jones Carter. I don't see any hands raised Public comment is closed Item 4 board business statement of purpose Zoning code chapter 20 dash 5 2 point 0 3 0 f project review This review authority shall consider the location design site plan configuration and the overall effect of the proposed project upon surrounding properties and the city in general Review shall be conducted by comparing the proposed project to the general plan any applicable Specific plan applicable zoning code standards and requirements Consistency of the project within the city's design guidelines architectural criteria for special areas and other applicable city requirements Item 4.2 board member reports. Are there any board member reports? None to report Item 4.3 we have none and Item 5 department reports Thank you chair and members of the board. I have no department reports this evening. Thank you item 6 state statement of am I Cannot say this word Thank you Are there any abstentions on the item 8.1 none. Thank you Item 8 scheduled items Chair chair Jones-Carder you skipped over item 7 Sorry Are there any consent items? None, thank you Item 8 scheduled items. We are moving into the first scheduled item The cannery at railroads railroads square this item is information only and no action will be taken on the item I Believe project planner Susie will introduce the item and then the applicant will give a presentation Yes, thank you very much. Sorry. I missed the table there Good afternoon chair and members of the board This is a I want to say thank you first to the applicant team for doing this This is really going above and beyond this is an approved project that never went before any of the boards that would have Normally seen it including the waterways advisory committee the cultural heritage board and the design review board Last night. They did a presentation that was very similar to what you'll see tonight, but really focused more on cultural heritage board matters if you will and They got a really nice review from the cultural heritage board there. There are two concerns Really were addressed to the the pathway the promenade that extends down to the creek and the hope that at one point That will actually connect to 4th Street, but that segment will be constructed with this this project And then the other one was about the water tower So we really went through that last night and then tonight. They're really focusing more on matters Of interest to this board. So with that I'm going to also put another reminder that the project architect will need to leave at 530 promptly The rest of the team is still here to answer questions But if during the presentation you could make notes on your architecture related questions and then Other questions we can kind of follow through with the applicant team afterwards after Mimi Sullivan leaves, okay? And thank you very much Oh, and I'm sorry project Michelle Gervais from the project team and I'm going to let her introduce the other members. So take it away. Thank you Can't say anything without first starting with kudos to the city It's worth noting that we've actually been working on this since the property was acquired in last century in 1998-99 There's a bit of history. I'll go into it can answer more after Mimi's gone But in this latest round of entitlement and we have been before many boards over many years With different variations on the theme but for this project in particular and thanks to the SB 35 process And especially thanks to Susie and company This this miraculously was approved in a very timely way so In the interest of time I will move on but we can't say enough good so My name is Michelle Gervais. I'm a local planning and development consultant The John Stewart company has really been the known lead of a partnership that purchases property as I said last century It was really it flowed from grassroots community-based project that was known as root at which is all about downtown Revitalization and hundreds of people participated in those years in this revisioning of how to connect and Really fortify life in downtown arts culture food wine transportation and Connectability and housing and then the policy that supported that people eyeballed this property that used to be two buildings that connected and With a with a canary line going through it conveyor belt And they saw that this idea of the four-street connection to the creek would be awesome If it weren't for those buildings that were in the way John Stewart and Rick Devine bought into the vision And between the vision and the practicality of site cleanup Which meant taking down buildings to get to old storage, you know oil tanks and then soil cleanup and toxic remediation And ground water cleanup and lots of it almost seven million dollars of cleanup that they absorbed themselves They then had sites ready for proposed development and they have this four-street corridor in 2003 Susan Clark authored the historic reports that Cleared the path for the partial demolition retaining the walls that contributed to the historic fabric of the national registered Historic where it's queer association. That's why you see those remnant walls And then the rest of the five-story building could come down to make way for the the clearance the site clearance and Housing There's been a lot of drama since then but John Stewart was a fabulous man and great storyteller and it was almost like that Academy Award winning movie this year It had every genre of Story in the in our trajectory since and he was willing to sell the film rights, but not the water tower and So I could tell you more about that later For now though, I think it's best in the interest of time I will turn out the microphone on Don Lesty who is director of development for the John Stewart company and Mimi Mimi Sullivan with slightest Sullivan. She is probably I would say singularly the most involved a team member. They have done Probably a hundred different variations on themes of probably 20 themes of development plans So she has lots to offer. We have had it's just also worth noting in addition to Susan Clark Diana painter whom you may know. She's done a lot of work in Santa Rosa and also Stacey to Shazel we're both involved as historical consultants along the way and so Don I'm gonna turn it over to you and then to Mimi Good evening. This is Don. Can you hear me? Yes, yes Yes, we can hear you You're good Don. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Good evening Board chair and board members. Thanks for letting us present tonight This project that as Michelle is so eloquently described as 20 close years in the making we're super excited about it I I think you know, I've been doing this for about 25 years and I think this probably the most transformative Affordable housing project. I've ever worked on just in terms of what we envision will happen. Sorry Don. I'm sorry Don I'm sorry to interrupt. You're having a hard time hearing you again Well, is there a way to speak really loudly It's clear but it's better Try again, this is better. I don't Is this better? They're looking at the controls to see if they can make you any louder Yeah, I I mean, I tried my headphones last night as you know, it's in working. This is I'm calling it on I'm not really sure what else to do if you can't hear me Why don't you just run through the project overview and the timeline and then why don't we go to the project overview and just speak Slowly but loudly. Thank you Okay, this is better Yeah, go for it. Can you hear me? Okay, so we're looking at the timeline. This project was entitled under SB 35 in August of 2020 which was a state Proposition designed to expedite the entitlement of affordable housing We closed our construction financing a couple years later and 2022 we started construction immediately and we anticipate Being finished with construction in early 2025 you can go to the next slide This project is 129 units 128 of those units will be affordable to low-income families earning between 30% and 80% of area median median income with a set aside of 25 percent of those units 32 units for formerly homeless families who will be referred to the project through the housing authority and Who will come with project-based section 8 vouchers to subsidize their rent? You can see the monthly rents on this screen depending on the level of affordability For that unit there are 52 parking spaces 50 bike spaces and A large community space with the joining patio Computer lab lots of outdoor amenity on the backside of the of the property towards the creek and most importantly the installation of the pedestrian promenade that will link the new road that we're putting in With with the Prince Memorial Greenway and eventually as Michelle and Susie mentioned hopefully connect to 4th Street through the cornerstone property I'm going to turn over to our architect Because I think most your questions will be directed to her, but I'm happy to sustain answer questions later. Thank you Your turn Mimi. Thank you. Good afternoon. Can you hear me? Okay? Yes, thank you. Okay. Great. Um, good afternoon madam chair board members and community members Thank you. It's Donna Michelle. I've already stated for inviting us This evening to share our project that is near and dear to our hearts And really a labor of love I say that because we started on the project with Michelle in 2005 so you can do the math 18 years later we could not be more thrilled. It's coming out of the ground The view in front of you is should be a view that most of you probably recognize with the cannery walls that are existing Out on site today. This is from West 3rd Street And you will see the two cannery walls that are being preserved a loading docks as well and the metal canopy along West 3rd We are keeping the clear story openings in providing Some cable rail because we've set the building back the new building that is back from the cannery walls approximately 12 feet behind that and the clear story level our individual unit patios for the most part and at the far end Near the promenade which you can talk about later is a community room that has a community patio So the idea was to still activate and see activity and people through the clear story by setting The building back and also by setting the building back, which was important to us to accentuate and Make more visible. We hope the historic walls In this view you'll also see There are Balconies, there's a lot of modulation in terms of the building mass and both in its roof line and in its vertical and horizontal elements and the color scheme is really coming from a long process with the historian Who was a consultant to our NEPA consultant and who wanted the new building to be more Quiet if you will I guess as a word I'll use and so we worked through several color schemes to try and Compliment the brick not copy the brick yet be sort of rich in its materiality and colors But not too Overwhelming so let's go to the next slide Here's a view we did to illustrate the view down 4th Street You can see the railroad I start railroad station there on the right and The wall in the distance the cannery wall in the building rising up behind it And the water tower Go to the next slide Here's the site plan and on the up on the top of your screen would be the New Street will call it a street doesn't really have a name yet that will be provided Let's go back one. Sorry. Thanks a Street and that is running the long length of The existing cannery brick wall and you'll see the loading dock there with the sort of trapezoidal edge and Then to the left is the public promenade And so the the development team Decided to actually do a lot more in adjustment and that was the way that this public promenade could be Provided so they did move the lot line approximately 40 feet over From the edge of the existing cannery to provide this public access As husband mentioned from what we hope is a through line connection to 4th Street We will do our part to provide that from the new Street across this development down to the Creek trail this diagram also shows the backyard For the residents and which includes a number of different outdoor amenities. There's sort of an outdoor green There are some picnic tables with an olive Bosque Harkening back to the orchards in the history of the cannery itself There's an outdoor deck for the residents. There's a taut lot. That's adjacent to a laundry room Etc. The white obviously is the building footprint You'll notice too that the footprint of the building from left to right sort of steps in Conjunction with the property line and sort of the curve of the creek But it's so that's actually not a sort of flat Composition against the creek it actually has three wings and modulation to Let's go to the next slide, please This is actually the second the podium plan second floor And this was really to illustrate again how the building has these carve-outs of two fairly large Courtyards and then the three wings of the building surrounding those courtyards. So again More amenity space. I failed to tell you to the one of the reasons of course for activating that backyard In a robust way was to provide more visibility and and eyes on the creek So we have at the ground level all the things that it just described and on the podium level We have units and also obviously the courtyard spaces too and then as you go up the building more units So a lot of visibility on the creek with this project. Let's go to the next Okay, this is the elevation for West 3rd Street Showing the brick wall the canopy and then again the building the new building rising up behind it Here I guess what I would like to point out because you saw the modulation in the perspective Here what I'll point out is some of the materiality. So the vertical stripes is a bored and batten material the surface that doesn't have a stripe if you will is a cement plaster and then Described earlier the metal balconies and then this metal stair kind of sculptural stair to Activate again the 3rd Street facade Okay, let's go to the next this is Facing a street if you will the new street and the Cornish stone property in the future And the longer side of the existing brick wall and and dock and again the building rising above it stepping back from it And again just material-wise we have the bored and batten and the vertical stripe We have a horizontal stripe in this particular facade indicating a lap siding and then again the Smooth plaster finish Okay, excuse me. We do also point out we have the one garage entry along this Facade if you look to the right of your screen. It's the fourth bay in so on the ground level behind the brick wall is a parking garage for the most part and obviously needed Utility electrical rooms and those kinds of utility spaces as well Okay, let's go to the next this elevation is along the public promenade you'll see from left to right the less sort of bay of the Existing or historic brick wall turning the corner there The main entry to the development is that two-story Storefront glazed with the double doors that is the main lobby into the project and above that is the One of the court sort of the main spine of the corridor running the length of the building as well And then we have a second sculptural stair Uh Hopefully people want people to really use that stair and again sort of be visible coming and going and activating that edge and Then the same materials wrapping around in terms of the vertical board and batten siding and the plaster and the horizontal lap siding Okay Next line and this is the facade facing the creek. It's a little bit hard to read Just because it's two-dimensional. That's why we showed the second floor podium plan So if you recall that we had the two large courtyards that the three wings were defining So those courtyards on the left from line e to g is the first Courtyard that starts at the podium level it goes open to the sky and Then from lines l to n is the second courtyard again starting at the podium level and open to the sky Same materials are Applied around this facade as well. You're the next slide. Okay, so here's a just a summary of the historic Resources that we're preserving the two brick walls that we have shown the canopy and the loading docks The landscaping is not obscuring these historic elements. So we've kept that to a very minimum Along those facades and there's a much more robust landscaping on the back and along the public promenade. I mentioned the the olive boss or orchard Harkening back to the cannery history where we're providing picnic tables for the residents to enjoy and the water tower Is now tied to the future plant five project next door Okay, next slide It's an interesting project from a design perspective because as you are seeing each of the four sides is pretty unique in terms of What they're facing the street the creek the promenade and so as an opportunity to use a variety of materials and textures in Purposefully contrast those with the historic brick walls I mentioned we stepped the new building back as well to highlight the historic walls and by doing that There's kind of a double Gets a double duty in a way. We're stepping back to honor the brick wall also creating Space in between for patios and for the community room collective patio as well Mentioned in that podium plan the way the building is carved out on the backside around those two courtyards creating the three wings and the two courtyards the next bullet point and The building modulation both horizontally and vertically is Very true to the objective design standards working with Susie in the planning department to make sure we did get as much modulation and shadow and Variation through materials and massing that we could and Then the two exterior metal stairs You know picking up on some industrial material vocabulary and also Really as I mentioned trying to activate those facades hoping people will really come up and down quite a bit And the next slide and the creek considerations. We've heard Early and often from the community that eyes on the creek 24 7365 are really important and and we understand why and we agree so we've done everything we can to Activate the backside of the property in the ways that I've described and also all the units that now look will now look over the creek The promenade creating that public access for pedestrians and cyclists Is really important to all of us in the project and we hope to the community as well And eventually again, hopefully connecting to through a through line all the way to 4th Street in the historic road road square Commercial area The landscaping is meeting all the water efficient landscape requirements. It's providing a buffer between the building and the creek trail Serving a lot of recreational needs in the backyard for the residents and is sensitive to the wildlife setting And the next slide please Oh, that was it. Sorry. I thought there was more. Okay So I'll turn it back over to Suzy and Michelle then Thank you so much Mimi well, that really concludes the presentation and As mentioned, it's been under construction now for a couple months. I was just out there today Podium is going up for the parking and it's exciting a lot of work to be done I did hear that the I think framing will be done this calendar year So it'll be interesting to see then, you know What the scale might start to feel like? but we're here to answer questions and I'll be quiet Do this are there any questions from the board to staff or the presenter? And maybe we should direct the questions to the architect first since they have a time schedule Well, thank you. No question It's in it. Yeah, we realized to that that it's a it's a bit strange that we're sharing something with you for which Your comments are appreciated, but You know being incorporated at this stage is probably a management consideration. Maybe more than a design one But you know if you have questions people are going to be seeing it go up They might ask about things. We want you to feel fully equipped. I think we would I do have a question. Okay. Sorry artificial turf is We don't have a landscape member on the team, but Mimi you've been working with them a bit. Would you like to speak to the? landscape artificial turf that was a decision both Landscape and property management decided on to be honest about it um Don I don't know if you recall did if we start if we talked about having actual turf, but then there were just challenges with maintenance and so, you know water efficiency. I think that was another Concern or maybe ever What I want to call it sort of a prohibition because there's only so much water for the for the irrigation and trying to keep it You know very water efficient that might have played into it too. I apologize. They don't have a really clear recollection of that decision-making I Just bring it up because I know that there are some environmental concerns about using artificial turf in the breakdown of the sub tires, so My two cents Okay, I'm not sure if you hear me I'm not really sure if you can but if you can it really was about water. I think maybe you're correct Did you all hear that? No, he said it sounded like he said it was about the water. That's correct Yeah, I mean for You know a lot of playgrounds and also multifamily developments We are seeing a lot of artificial turf just in you know our design space because we can't meet you know Grass is a very thirsty plant as things go. So yeah, I mean we're doing a lot of turf for durability We're doing a lot of other stuff. That's not grass for playgrounds and things like that. So I mean, I'm not surprised by it From a design perspective You know because it'll probably last longer than real grasswood and hopefully you know pets and stuff won't be Relieving themselves on the artificial turf either. So that's which would also kill the grass I didn't point out if I could have just address your pet Comment, which is great. There is a little pet Relief Area off to the side there So we hope that people are not going to let their pets go out there too given them a space to go to Are there any yes A brief question About I guess it's really a hypothetical is the water tower Which I understand is part of a next phase or another phase. How far is it? From the apartments that are Right there on the back there. There's one image where I was like, oh Am I looking if I were in that apartment? I'm you know, how far is it away? From the building Michelle, do you want me to speak to that? Sure. Yeah, so in that in that Um Rendering that we showed you early the water tower was On the promenade at that point in time. This is quite a while back. I will admit and It was fairly close to the building and that wasn't Necessarily what everybody wanted, but we also recognized as a team That not everybody would want to walk under the water tower That might be not very comfortable on the promenade So we tried to create a path around it as well But Moving forward and don can speak to this a bit more. It won't be where this rendering Thought it would be at the time so at the If it goes up at the Along the closest edge of the plant five site in the future That would be at least 40 feet away from The cannery units at that point. Thank you. Thank you. I don't know where it's going to end up on the plant five So I'm just that's hypothetical for me Yeah, I'm sorry. This is Don and we don't know where ultimately will Be reinstalled as well. We don't have any Plans yet for plant five But not closer, is it right? Oh, definitely not closer I actually had the same thought when I saw that rendering Up from my window and I'm looking at big water tower There is a stack of probably two units that were I mean That's not I'm not saying that's inconsequential, but you're right and we recognize that too So, um, it was not an easy element to Find the right home for to be honest just given those kinds of challenges But again, if it when it goes on plant five if it were placed at the closest edge, it would be 40 feet away Hope that helps Yes, thank you Any other questions? Okay We'd like to open public comment On item 8.1 If you're attending in person, please make your way to the podium Hi, I'm lianne wenz Um here with ann gallantine. We're both members of the saturday afternoon club And we were part of the history section. We're very interested in keeping history. So we're Our focus is the water tower And I had a couple questions. I was here. I was here yesterday too. So I this is the second time I heard your presentation and What is this plant five project? And um You're talking about maybe we'll put it on the On the property line of that and I'm just wondering isn't that where the other wall begins and is there going to be an attempt to save that wall as well I'm sorry. I should first ask Are you folks Part of the plant five project or is that owned by someone else and another project altogether You can go ahead and um List off your questions and then we can respond after the public comment period. Okay. I didn't know how that works. No, no problem. So, um So that's the question on So the next question is where is the property line? Um, I think it originally was right down the middle between the two walls which would be in line with the middle of fourth street And was the water tower originally sitting straddling that line between the two properties I'm interested in seeing that the water tower stays center of fourth street So that visually from railroad square you can see it But it's kind of close to those buildings and the other building for project five or plan plant five It will be really important to know the elevation Wall there and how close that is to the other side of that promenade Okay, so I think that's it. Those are my questions. Thank you Chair Jones carter. We don't have any members of the public participating via zoom just the applicant team Thank you staff would you like to Try and address the question I have a follow-up question It kind of tied to all that To the public comment if that's okay so I was I was looking on google earth And it looks to me like currently the water tower is north of fourth street north of the property line. It's like on the I guess the other lot where you did the lot line adjustment, right? So it's to the north and then I was actually looking at the There's a bunch of trees in the way right currently on fourth street. Are they gone or I can't You can't always trust google street view because you know things change But yeah, there's a bunch of trees along railroad square, right and you can't actually When you look down fourth street also for the rendering You actually don't see the northern Chunk of lot in between the cannery and the sixth street playhouse, right kind of at least from fourth street Is that right am I misunderstanding that? Chair sorry to jump in. I think we still need to close the public comment period Thank you. Thank you We are closing the public comment on item 8.1 But I yeah, do you get my you get my question right it gets tied together in terms of like The view corridor And The photo the photo you guys got a screenshot. It's not quite a straight shot. It's kind of like a oblong kind of shot. I guess We're going to bring up a couple of the Slides here to help Don would you like me to speak to the water tower and future for plant five or would you like to? Um I'm I can just say that you know, we understand the importance of the water tower, but we don't have any plants yet for plant five. Um, we were trying to avoid Putting the tower directly in the middle of the public promenade because we We didn't think folks everyone would want to walk under it So, I mean, there's a lot left to this sign and michelle you can take over from from here I think you understand where we are Yeah, and um, thank you don't I think uh You'll like this bit of history that the lot line Well, what you're looking at right now when you look at the um to the left of the slide the white edge of the building there um The brick wall wraps around the corner at the top And then just below that where is now our entrance. That's where the plant five building used to connect So the property line hugged the edge of the building and then On the creek side of plant five. Yeah, like right where your cursor is amy. Thank you or susie In that vicinity was where the water tower had been back by kind of the uh, yeah, right in a little south of there Or west of there and toward the creek. So it had been on the plant five parcel Yeah, kind of toward that edge of the building Um The point being that it's now The property line has shifted to the opposite side of that Um pedestrian pathway so that it could all be part of this project but um But the water tower is not in this project because it had vested with the plant by site and and then frankly Nobody it's awkward to talk about money, but it's it's worth noting as decision makers that besides Um writing off million several million dollars worth of site and cleanup that had not been known about at the time of acquisition Groundwater and soil remediation and Few big huge tank extractions and other things Those walls cost about five million dollars by the time they were um Maintained Tied back designed around and so forth So keeping those walls was a very expensive venture and ultimately Um Don I I'll just speak to this because of the sound issues, but the cost per unit is is almost $750,000 a unit It's an expense and it's not fancy. It's wonderful It's it's it's wonderful, but it's expensive And so the water tower which is a sizable structure Which needs to be done properly in terms of restoration That also is a very big expense the fact that that happened to tide to plant five In historic context is a blessing because it would we wouldn't we wouldn't have a project if that had to be paid for also right now so So just something to know as you're looking at projects and how they come forward and what what's entailed um It is a beloved element by The project team and so to answer i'm sorry to answer the question plant five is owned by the same group that owned the cannery projects or Maybe there's some legal constructs, but it's the same people and john stewart was the Real um visionary leader of it all and the water tower is beloved by him And so it will it will be protected and preserved But the good news is there is room In time to talk about exactly where that should go You know, maybe exactly what goes on it. Um, I don't think john would want his picture on it But what it is is a is a community asset In a way that there's room to talk about So let's see if we got all those questions. Um, the property line, um, plant five Plan is is getting away way yet to be determined I think I think those are the questions Yeah, I think I mean to to just I think wrap this up what I would what I was trying to look at is You know fourth street and the proposed a street, right? They're not They're really not going to be orthogonal to one another Right, thank you. They'll be close, but they're they're going to be a little Yeah, nothing's plum. Yeah, nothing's exactly exactly. Yeah, nothing's going to be exactly where fagin with one another. So it's I think to your point As you finish this project the cannery project and as you move on to the you know the next project it's going to take some Adjusting and monkeying to find the best spot for it that works from a context perspective Financial perspective right because when the plant five site eventually does get designed or whatever It may Not work where it is. It may not work where you guys kind of have a plan now It may not tie into the promenade, you know all that kind of stuff You're not going to know until like you kind of live in it a little bit Yeah, um an earlier plan At one point this development team was also the developer of the smart site That changed along the way, but in those Pretty popular plans The water tower had been brought for is still on the fourth street access But it was closer to the rail line And more visible because it is a challenge when it's if plant five becomes You know a taller building with housing is back up at the same the same concern and it may be dwarfed It may be an impediment to you know comfortable views of the residents all sorts of things So maybe it belongs on the smart site. We're we're here to share It's just what works best for the kind of district vision And you're exactly right. We know we saw Adam do you remember when that was when we saw the smart site the master plan for the smart site? It was like a year ago a year and a half ago Yeah, and like but there's a new different developer for the smart site, which then has I think their plans call for I think four buildings five buildings of housing plus a promenade that would potentially connect to yours plus You know interconnectivity to the both the you know the public Sorry the smart train station plus a connection to The trail to get into the trail way. I mean, so there's a lot of kind of elements here Both competing and working for each other at the same time And I think that's That's the challenges So, you know, you guys are the first domino right in many ways And so you're going to set the precedent for the development of the surrounding properties And then the then they're going to key off on you and what was done and then You know, you may not even know the site for that water town till that's all kind of landed in many ways So, yeah, that's that's I think that's important context to think about too for members of the public to know like if if you didn't know that There's development plan for the smart site Then then you'd be like it's kind of it lacks context not knowing the other pieces Let's see. Does anyone have to a comment to make before we adjourn? We've had discussion questions any comments. I have a comment That's true. Um, yeah, Adam. Sorry That's fine Um, yeah, no my my comment is really just to thank you for for coming and thanking the applicant team. They're off in the ether Usually i'm on the other side of being remote and so it's interesting to hear the disembodied voices Um But uh, just to thank you for for coming and presenting to us and then for also for sticking with this project and and and fighting for decades um to uh to to to see this happen and um, Yeah, it's a it's a it's a it's good to see a quality project come out of this sp35 process too You know with the review as well and so commending staff for um for that process as well Um, I personally yeah, i'm i'm really excited to one see this design and to see that it has been under construction and looking forward to um to the future and just really expressing thanks um for Giving us this context giving um multiple public meetings for the public being responsive to so um Thanks very much for that and i'm really excited to see this happen Anyone else? I just i had a comment about the the architecture Um, I remember seeing this in the press democrat and it had a totally different color scheme and I had a small panic attack um to see the new color scheme I i really um I want to commend the project team for making that shift um because I think the palette here is much more contextual not only to the The relationship to the other elements within railroad square um What's so unique about railroad square is that it it kind of is the only place in santa rosa that has Lots of brick lots of masonry. There's the hotel la rose or whatever. That's a total masonry building big You know granite stones and stuff. So it's really nice to see um the shift So I want to commend the architect for I think Either hearing from somebody or making the decision on their own to shift the palette to really meld Much better. I I I think the colors are bold and and inviting and interesting and unique. It's uh It's it's it's definitely uh Going to fit in line with some of the other projects that are either almost completed or Soon to be constructed in terms of like Some really unique and iconic architecture that is not your kind of standard Garden apartment And I think that's what's really special about these kind of these projects that are happening downtown Like uh, what are 420 mendicino? Which is a david baker projects kind of have like core 10 steel on it another kind of random stuff Of course, Dave baker and then there's the tlcd project on uh four of four street That um has yellow and gray and some other kind of really nice colors So and I think this will fit within that context because it's Bold architecturally but in a way that fits and that so I appreciate that so thank you No other comments Well, thank you very much for the presentation I enjoyed it and anytime we can get some affordable housing done. I'm really excited to uh see that happen and with that This meeting of the design review board is now adjourned Thank you very much