 Fy eich pasodeg, ond fe'r 1878 Fn podcast yw'n ddefnyddu gan Green King Sports, gyda'rslowb Old is more than a game. Green King Sport FRes are showing every single televised Everton Fixture over the 23-24 season ac, roedd mor hwyl 900 y sporth pubs acroedd y UK, roedd ar goddon maen nhw o'n gweithio'r彙ed yma, mae'r cychaf yma'r mater o gynllun o'r ardynglog. If you download the green king sport app you won't just get 10% off all drinks any time there's a match on tv but this month there's also thousands of points of free Guinness to be won and the chance to win one of six holidays. Hello welcome to the 1878 FM podcast there is episode 26 and we have David Vitty back in the house. Dave how are you? I'm all right I think he's sorry for my absence for the last couple of weeks just life's been busy but nice to be back and and if I'd known Baz then obviously I wouldn't have won the same top as you are very similar top as me. It's nice this is what we're just we're good it's our you know our wardrobes just going the blackness the darkness sounds of blackness exactly well you know it's it's been a black time as an evidence reporter since December the 16th in the Premier League we've not won a game of football in the Premier League but this happens every year doesn't it normally November when we are absolutely terrible we've just gone to you but let's not bother winning in January and you know we'll see how we go in February but it is what it is it is what it is let's let's get the depression stuff out the way um Evan but you know what Dave to be fair on Saturday wasn't expecting much and when they can bring a substitute on who's worth more than our entire start on 11 that kind of tells you where the two teams are at but I thought Everton did all right although did see some pleb on Twitter saying it was the worst Everton team the worst team he's ever seen at the Etihad no intention of trying to win the game we're like what man city I was gonna say and I didn't really go back and go mate I've been funny but I've seen some of the worst he won't have done mate he's probably been a fan for three years probably go back to being a Chelsea fan when he stopped winning but um Everton did all right Saturday up to a point I thought I'd go further than that and I'd go as far as to say that I don't think that they could have done much more um I think that they did everything that they could possibly do really I thought that the tactics were right um I had a city mate of mine text me halfway through and said part the bus which I thought was a little unfair um but yeah you know it was it was a defensively minded setup but they did give it a go on occasion and we actually caused some problems at certain points and and yeah I mean you know with the exception of the you know two two chances two goals um and Harland is just different class you know I'm obviously obviously the ball came loose in the box and he just lashed at it and Jordan couldn't get anywhere near it and then he was just too strong for for Branthwaite who'd had a really good game I think um so I'm I wasn't in any way despondent at the end of that really you know yes we desperately need the points but in terms of what that fixture was and where it was and who it was against and you know I don't think they could have done much more and uh so I wasn't disappointed in the performance and you have to scratch it and you have to move on and you know we look at we look at Palace for some points I mean Paddy we saw yesterday what those top teams can do to other team in West Ham was seventh going into yesterday and Arsenal hit them six nil at home and yeah we went to the we went to the etiad and like Dave just said 71 minutes they hadn't had a shot on Sarger because Evan had defended quite well yeah I think without without going overboard about the performance because I thought defend I mean defensively that that's where we're strongest obviously that's that that four or certainly three of that four added on into a right back of being the obviously the backbone of everything we've done this season plus the goalkeeper so we know we're going to be all right at the back we can defend really well we've got such like silk and steel haven't we and set the backs and then but we've got nothing going forward but I think bigger picture is it just shows you as you just mentioned there the the gulf and the absolute gulf between Manchester City and anyone outside the top three really and it's and that that's the most unnaven thing I think about the Premier League is again without going into like you know the the charges and everything I mean when people talk about overspending and stuff and you you you're right jack realist cost more than our entire team on Saturday when you look at their bench it's frightening it's absolutely frightening and it's just lovely treat by the Premier League no I mean it's stuff like that really does get under people's skin and you can see why but it tells you where football is right now and unless there's some kind of big change on the horizon then it's only going to get worse and worse and they're going to run away from from everybody and that thing that kept the Premier League competitive is going to just simply disappear and yeah you can listen if people want to come out and say it's the worst team whatever we'll have a different way of playing than maybe Bailey did but Bailey's still going to get beat they might go down in a different fashion or city might get bored after an hour because they've already got three nil up um city aren't one of those teams to push an advantage they tend to because they are in so many competitions they tend to take the foot off the pedal won't and that sometimes comes back in the first half of the season and bites them on the ass by the way um but we did as well as we could have and once they got the goal that was the end of it and once they got the goal we had to push up a little bit and we've lost the ball and that was the only disappointing thing about Sati is how poor we were in possession in the top half of the pitch I thought Dominic Arfalun had one of his worst games in possession I thought it was I thought it was really poor the amounts of times give the ball away but the the second goal shows you if you when you try and be a little bit ambitious and get high up the pitch you leave Harlan one on one and you know as Dave said there brand to me that's a great game I thought and then one mistake because it is a mistake really should be you should be covering the space rather than going straight to the player you engage with Harlan the high up the pitch you better win the ball because if you don't that's what he'll do he's a big all unit but he is he is and I think what's happened is brand to me he's basically kicked his foot and gone over and you've got to just cut off the space and force him somewhere he doesn't want to be yeah and I think you're right I mean like I said 71 minutes in you know Dave were applying the pressure of course they were but it was nil nil they hadn't had anything on target so you're looking and going and then there's a contentious corner I'll be honest I've looked at it a few times I can't decide if it does it can't the loon or it doesn't but the problem is 99 times are of 100 officials point to a goal kick they they just give a goal kick because it isn't a clear deflection of them and the corner comes in and it's a pity because we defended the corners really well and yet it comes in and we don't defend this one and it's still a little bit lucky but I was a bit disappointed brand to me just throws a foot at it and kicks it at James Coleman almost and Harlan swings a right foot at it like you said even it's in the net but the thing you're talking about David ever and being poor in a final third that's been a common theme for months we are when we break into like spares last week we won the ball back against Tottenham more times than the final third than any team has for four seasons in the Premier League I think it was 18 times we got the ball back or 20 times and yet we done nothing with it we scored two goals off set pieces against Spares we are good at getting the ball back it's our final ball terrible we had two on Saturday Eilion we had a great switch by Tarkovsky to Michalenko he does well and rolls your back to McNeill and McNeill just rose like I don't want it and just put it in when Don's trying to make it run in if he did just being a little bit more careful with his pass we might have got him in and then we had another one not long after with Jack Harrison based through and Don's trying to get in but Harrison just waxed it without even looking throws it across and okay you might say well Dominic should have been on his bike but that's not something we do all the time so he's thinking is he going to check back whatever and there is those moments where you look at City and I know they are Wales apart but everything they do Dave is so methodical isn't it in the final third it patterns a play all the time and I I think I need to work on that some of us said to me on Saturday oh no I don't mind us just throwing hopeful crosses in I do I want it to be a little bit more a little bit clearer than that and even with poorer players you can work on patterns of play but City Dave with the talent they've got do that so well don't do that you can tell it's drilled into them they're arguably the best club side in the world but they are factually too it's as simple as that you know and you can see it week in week out and there was a certain sense of inevitability on Saturday and so much is yes we've done well and yes we had you know restricted them yeah to having no shots on goal but you just always feel that it will come at some point because when you are that good as a side and you have that talent in your squad that at some point is going to unlock you know or a mistake will happen yeah and and you know that's that's that's what they do you know I mean I didn't think that Harland had a particularly good game no I'm not at all by his standards obviously he's been out for a while but but he comes back and as you say I mean I think oh we both are those chances really I mean neither one of them were particularly pretty but he showed what he's all about in terms of he's just ruthless and he's just so strong and for for a big old unit as you say to have you know two good feet and he can score with his head as well and you know to say that one in the box that came loose it's a half chance but he just absolutely you know and and it was at Pickford and had it not had that same power on it then you know Pickford he's capable of stopping those but oh yeah there's too much on it and and again likewise it wasn't a particularly cultured attack that got him one on one with Branthwaite but he was there and he knew what to do and and his strength you know prevailed and you know that's what they have and but I don't think that there's any shame in losing to City I really don't and I'm not trying to make a too light of what is a pretty dire situation for us at the moment but there isn't any any shame and and we weren't expecting to win there and we didn't win there and actually performance wise it was okay it was decent and and we have to we have to look at the the games ahead and what possible points are there for the taking I mean pad it was the first time since August 22 that they hadn't had a shot on target in the first half and also you know the 58th game on the run they scored at the end he had so at some stage one of them was gonna go but that is not just a difference talon that he cost a lot of money he's paid a lot of money he's the difference maker never if we'd have been in those two cities it was certainly the second one I'm not convinced that centre forward whoever we had on the pitch would have knocked theirs on and ran through calmly and slaughter but the top quality players aren't there's no there's no point comparing now there's no point comparing like any of our players to any of their players it's I mean I do see you know social media brings a lot out of people but I noticed it on Saturday when I was doing me reaction afterwards live and some of the comments and it's like I'm baffled by where people think ever narrow whatever it should be doing you know the reality is that's a club that has got everything like that is fantasy football with the best manager with the best players with the best setup they've got everything right well I was gonna say and they've got 114 charges to prove you know hanging over them and it doesn't seem to worry them no they're just getting on with it because at the end of the day why worry about it you just keep on winning things don't want to take them off you they might take things in the future off you but you can't won't take them off yet and it's that's that's the that's the landscape of football you know people always talk about like you know 12 15 years ago we used to go there regularly but look at some of the plays we had back then the likes of artet and the likes of kale and the likes of Eleni you know Eleni Bains, Jack Ylker with Distan or Les Scott playing at the back we had our team was a very good team you know the yach playing up front we had we had some absolute top players for the simple fact is this team is I don't know how many times we have to say this team is so average it's unbelievable it's got nothing in the final third it's got it's got wakeman in midfield you know onanna when he came on you saw the little bit of a difference the way he just gets I was watching someone put a little compilation of him up and it's dead easy to just go yeah he just gets the ball and pass it but it's when he gets the ball and passes it watch out other people take the ball off of me it's like it's like chalk and cheese he gets the ball and straight away it's out of his feet and he's moving it around the pitch he gives it to people and they're stuck they don't know what to do with it and that's the difference he's the that's what makes him quality and that's why someone will come and take him and the performance by Brant White will show why someone someone will come and take him and to lean and care for him but our players are so average and you're right they do need some they need some someone to work with them in the final third but I don't think Sean Dice is that person because he just doesn't do that kind of thing but Bowen and Sloan were wingers so yeah that's better no I know but their coaches and their their coach to do will it'll be about shape and all be about defense and all about staying in the game and sadly that's where we are and until we get to that next level in terms of actual league position forget about points position actual league position because that's all that matters at this moment not that we've got 20 we've earned 29 points it's that we've only got 19 points and we're in the bottom three so it is going to take obviously we all know it's going to take time we shouldn't be measuring out what a goal by better by the way just a pity was off but it's hell of a finish it took it well didn't he can you do that every week mate just get it and shoot see if it goes in it's just a pity as you said it's a pity he was playing he was deciding not offside yeah he wanted he was going lads he's turning looking you've won trouble just playing no offside because the two times he got in he was off but listen it is what it is probably off as well oh yeah he was I mean it was the goal was there was no lines needed wasn't it no no even even VAR with their cairly cared lines where they haven't got a clue you know when they use they put the pen on they go oh no that's tips too thick you know they need the smut yeah even that he was miles off but it was a good finish um yeah listen we we we got what we expected tune ill at the end of the night sounds massively defeatist and I apologise but you go all right within the grand scheme of things we didn't take a hammering and we have to put it like you said put a line under it well let's be honest most of the other results went with us to make it almost like it well who who'd have thought that the chef you would be looking at home well I watched that game and I watched that game and cheffield united batted on davis and mason hallgate they know mason hallgate was they know there I say had a very very good game ton davis done well when he come on and we had andross chance and barkley was the evident abbey um but cheffield united were brilliant and and thoroughly deserved the victory show I don't see them winning three more games but he done a great result at the weekend um but for us like me say draw a line move on and and we've got a big game next mondi now obviously against crystal palace which is huge and and we'll see where we go with that but the only the only bad these old was brentford and they were bad at the wolves and but that's only maw pipe was was incredible and and they had so many i mean he's a class player isn't he oh the number 10 we need that we haven't got there's an 11 11 out there there is a beautiful 11 out there they can win games they can win games they're just none of them play for us no and when they did they've been amazing for us no but brentford they've got to haven't so many back he's gonna score goals they're gonna get away a little bit away from trouble for us got beat said it loads of times it's not nice but they've got that point deduction i'm going over the red like we like we having that you know whether we agree with it or we don't agree with it you know that's there and they day for me day day one where you look at them and you think just keep losing well they've got it i think they've got westham around this weekend no which is a big game for both of them isn't it well no for David mwys he's on i mean today you know the token he might be getting the job which is crazy because i'm not sure what westham wants well they don't want to get beat six nil at home by our own but they want it so if you've been in Europe for three years go and have a look at the previous years i agree but i'm looking like they've been getting relegated one for telling other fans of other clubs no no listen what should make them you do whatever you do but it wouldn't put it past me where he's going to west that it's going to forest and winning at the weekend because that we saw evidence that that has ever had evidence when you had a terrible result he'd always followed up with a decent one but davy could be if you believe stories bouncing around the media this could be a big week forever and anyway because apparently by the end of this week we will know if not before we will know the situation of the appeal i mean and now we've we've been all over the place having me thinking gut feelings and all that but there seems to be a little bit of noise in in and around it that evidence are going to get some points back i wouldn't guarantee it but that's what it feels and evidence form a CEO keep whining this is quite bullish again over the weekend that evidence are getting all of them back because realistically they haven't breached which is ironic because he actually looks like the bull from bullseye i've actually got a request in foreign to be against over i'm not saying that in a bad way now he looks like he looks like if the bullseye bull was a human being fair play quite bullish but i mean is there any is your feeling we may get something back or do you think you're sticking with the 10 and then anything from there is a positive yeah i don't my my opinion hasn't changed from where we were i mean granted i haven't been party to any insider gossip so perhaps that might have changed my view today as we as we look at this but no i mean as far as i'm concerned the 10 points have gone we are where we are i mean if we get some back then fantastic you know it will it will make a big difference but then what's the situation regarding a possible second charge i don't believe everything will be done with points again for the second one personally i think i wouldn't surprise me if it was either suspended so if you fail it again you've lost another six eight whatever um it could be a transfer ban which wouldn't be good obviously for us could be a fine could be a squad reduction which other clubs have had in the past we've already got one of them but um i just i would hope that if evident did get a second point deduction that day would kick up and our proper almighty first this time because i don't see how you can take breaches that have been in two separate seasons and go with hammering it all in the one season for this because that is ridiculously unfair but when you actually look at the stuff that the reason why evident have breached it's still i get why a lot of people are saying and i've said to me over the last 72 hours listen i'm not even happy with six points back we want them all back because it's it's a breach that evident haven't done without the stadium so it's not a sport and advantage so they all need to come back because we haven't done anything wrong if you want to play it to the to the letter of the law we did go over it's it's how much you go over by but um do we think though that for example in this current set of charges which you're overhanging us of which us and forest are in the same boat if you like that forest may get a points deduction and we would because that's the only thing that concerns me is i agree with you if having been done once already this season if it was just us up against the powers that be for a possible second charge yeah i think it would be harsh to take but my concern is that they have to be seen to be playing fair which means that if we've had a points deduction then perhaps forest need to have a points deduction as well not that i want them to have a points deduction let's make that clear as we said before you know um and therefore i'm i'm a little worried about how it's dealt with when you have two cases which are presumably both going through the same sort of system at the same time is that you know that they might come back and say right well ever and you've got a financial fine and forest you've been docked six eight ten point i don't know the slight difference i would say i don't know where the pedigrees with this or you might not put the slight difference i would say there is a everton will have already been docked points so therefore almost like face the fence your docked points so it'd be forest face so there's like the equal thing yeah and secondly i think the argument that everton would have even though it isn't an actual like court is it will be double jeopardy so everton i imagine would say well hang on we were docked points and now you're docking us point again on we've already been docked points for two thirds of the the period and you're docking us point again for two thirds of the period so you're giving us the same punishments right i think that will be kind of everton's argument okay here's another one then here's another scenario you can answer this when you say go on dave what if what if they get the points or some of the points back this week and then forest are then docked points and they you know what i mean it would therefore make our original points docking seem well if everton and martin and pediogon onto this but if this is the scenario and martin everton get four points back let's just use that as a marker right although john blaine had the mechanism and i want to use this that to me makes way more sense which is do away with the six points thing because that's nonsense doesn't it doesn't mean anything to anyone but a point pay five million pounds you're over right and that i i don't agree with point at any stage by the way i don't want forest to lose because i think it's nonsense once you start messing with points you're messing with the actual fabric of football but if if there was ever to be a point mechanism one point for every five million you were over make sense to me right but say everton got four four points back so they went right you breached at six points so then forest theoretically then should be given six points because they've breached so then everton and forest would have had the same punishment but i don't know the problem with that is is that then it doesn't really matter what you breach by if it is just going to be six points that's why the one so i would yeah i would i would just go one point and it does for every five but there has to be a mechanism place this idea that it's an open thing it's just it's again it's just nonsense because like they say in there how can you how can you how can you look at the situation and go whatever and got this and then forest might walk in and get something completely different it opens it opens so many possibilities of well who's doing this why have they done it how have they got to that we still don't know how they got to our 10 points and they're not going to let us know that to me is the biggest issue with this whole thing never mind if everton went over or or whatever else how did you get to those 10 points and how would forest points if it if it was if it was wasn't 10 how did you get from then and how did you factor in are you ever going to tell us that and that's a problem i find that a massive massive issue on this because it's it's so open it's so open to manipulation and therefore if people feel like it's manipulated then you bring into um the whole thing premier league and everything into into disrepute and we're already now well this seems to be uh bit your master seems to be under pressure already so i just don't i can't i just can't square all this stuff together one of the two things i want one of the things that has been said now and keith why and i said this as well is that the only the only real way for the premier league to save face now is for the commission to remove everton's point deduction and say right it's suspended or it's a or whatever because to protect the integrity of the game and the premier league and so to go well we just recommend that that and it went to the commission and they've said they don't want to mess with the fabric of it it's whatever that saves the premier league because it saves forest from being done as well it saves multiple astringes in a premier league that's one thing but just some facts very quickly about everton's case the breach came from interest payments on the new stadium wasn't on transfers or players that's that's out there even though some lies are by the oh sorry a narrative being spun by the premier league was that everton have overspent but the more and more facts are coming out everton their bottom in net spend blood doesn't just a turn out there let's prove it that simply isn't the case secondly the premier league were absolutely fine with everton having the interest payments against the stadium and agreed it wouldn't go against everton's psi so it didn't need to be included but they changed they changed their mind in december sorry they accepted something in december 22 and then changed their mind with an emergency meeting in march 23 so bearing mind the end of that 22 season leads and bairnly or someone like that one morning because it was to do with everton's COVID claims really I didn't claim more so they weren't happy with that and the premier league told them to go away everything was fine it wasn't everton having breached it was fine that's out there for everyone to read and see then the premier league decided to change their mind so it's like if you agree to build the stadium and they say yeah you can do it that way and the stadium will take four years in my mind they should honour that for the four years before they start going and they didn't change the mind and finally a breach of that nature which is an interest payment on the stadium the commission did say no sporting advantage was done deliberately or cynnigly by everton in this now yet he did say you could argue a sporting advantage was gained I definitely not seen sporting advantage in the last three years but even with the squad look at the squad three years ago we had carlow and chelotty managing us and hammers rodrigus in the squad and players like alan and the charlison and all of this lucadine you can go through mwys ki mwys path you look at the squad now there's nobody there there's no we've cut cut cut cut so there's just some facts that are out there and I think maybe we know we can argue with that but that's it's just one of the things that I point to me is just I think is a nonsense I think what you say explains why the board was so adamant all the way through that in you know that they would steadfastly defend their their their financial situation and they kind of said that you know we haven't actually breached the regulations and in terms of what you're saying there in that that was based upon the original calculation ie that the loans to do with the stadium cost wouldn't be included and therefore they would have been under that barrier but also I mean with all of this as well is that with us and with forest is that surely you know you're now it's not even like they're trying to suddenly make up a new system of rules by which everybody will be governed everybody will understand it and everybody will know where they are because as we said before is that once this season is concluded then these rulings wouldn't have actually caught us or forest anyway would they no doesn't seem with it I mean no so so so they're now almost and as you say pet you know it's like you know the question of where did you get how did you come up with the 10 points which just seems to be a random you know all in favour yeah 10 that sounds about right whatever bollocks and then you know we're in a situation where they've now suddenly got to try and justify some framework of how these points do or don't get awarded or reduced or whatever which is only going to see us until May anyway which is just a nonsense it's just I think it just needs to be put to bed doesn't it rather than escalating the situation because you're right like you're saying before forest get done and and then people will be going well what's evidence second charge and you're not you're not playing the game on the pitch you're playing it you know in the not quite in the courts but if they go to appeal then it's going to be after the last game and I know what the fans of other clubs were going well we're not it's got nothing to do with us but again it's that thing of I watched it over the weekend see jamon football and there's gone there's like lot there's lots lots of protests from all the fans over there because of something they want to bring in and it's like again it's in jamie they seem to have this thing of like what's bad for the game is bad for everybody but in this country we just seem to go we just seem to point out other football clubs and laugh at them and it they've created a they've created that scenario again I know tribalism is great but it shouldn't be there for when when it's affecting our whole game and we've we've let so much get you know we've let these people get away with so much I think and they've taken away the game and we showed that last week again with you know with uh some of the introduction of a blue card and stuff like that it's like all of a sudden in the last few years they just wanted to dramatically change the game now that rarely didn't seem like there was that much wrong with it no it seemed to be you know I was thinking about you know I was thinking about it what like you know when it was transferred deadline day and we were talking about like selling players and in a lot of people's heads it's this idea that if you sell someone for 10 million pound and buy someone for 10 million pound then it's all equal you've done you've balanced your book but even that doesn't even that doesn't work out anymore you know there's I've seen loads of people saying like why did we sell Tom Cannon and bring in Timothy he went you know it's like he cost 12 to bring in it's like no that's not how it works or why did we go for the lad we went to co from Coventry and go to work like that oh really and that's the problem all these things now in football are so hard to figure out and as a normal fan you can't get your head around them and it's it's like remember when it used to just be about what happened on the page look at look at the net spend for like the 22 23 year just one year Everton the third Everton made 25 million pound yeah Chelsea lost 540 million pound and yeah Chelsea haven't breached 540 million pound Everton said you know the Brighton made 82 because they sold Cachado for a building plant less they're 32 because they sold Madison and Everton third bottom it's when that's just in one season that's trending in the right way again so Everton that's further evidence to go we aren't looking we are cutting and cutting and cutting and once you've cut and cutting cut so much there's nothing left which is why you know it's not difficult to people have asked me how come Everton all of a sudden they're in relegation but they're easy because we've sold everyone that's why I think a lot of people's heads there's still this idea of Everton's 2017 team is like it's still like that that's what we said that's like we are we have got like the ghost of the 2017 literally literally hanging over our club as a spectator but there's there is this idea that they're still playing the game listen to some of these like Nottingham Forest net spend 190 million night that's in this one year yeah yeah yeah West Ham United 100 there's other clubs obviously Chelsea United at the top then Forest the third most Newcastle fourth most West Ham 165 million Southampton 147 million but again no right if you're a Forest fan you're sitting in you're going we had to spend that money to make ourselves a mechanism doesn't I'm saying you're a forest fan and you're sitting there going we had to spend that money to make ourselves a Premier League team we were a championship team yeah and we wanted to be a Premier League team and we stayed up they stayed up by what five points maybe less and they'll say that's what we needed to do to be competitive to be competitive but the Premier League don't want that clearly because the rules but where that's why it's so daft the whole thing is so daft and you turn the angle well yet we don't sell as many shirts as Manchester United do is that our fault is that our fault as a forest as a Everton as a as a whoever else is that our fault is that our fault that we don't have 90 000 fans to bring in is it our fault that people don't want to come and whine and dine in our stadium and actually do you want to come to our stadium but just watch football as a normal fan and they don't want the experience of of a meal and a suit and all the rest they want to go as a normal fan is that our fault is that our fault this is where I just find the whole thing and I know we've said this a million times I just find this thing ridiculous because we don't sell shirts in Japan and China and America and wherever else is that that is just that's just football that is just that is just because our fan bases localise to our city and and around the UK we don't have lead tie anymore well yeah absolutely right maybe if we did then we'd be in trouble for other things in different stuff yeah different problems and things so there you go but you know but it does beg the question of what's the whole point of the PSR rulings right whereby I mean what what is it intended to achieve where you can have the gulf that we have as we've already discussed at the beginning of this between the likes of Man City and everybody outside of the top three and four um and to further rub salt into the wounds is that not only have they allowed that gulf to happen but now those who are the greatest culprits if you like that's the right word in potential PSR breaches are those that aren't being done yeah yeah and I'll order the you know and so obviously you know to master's point of the little clubs like ever and forest who are getting done yet the big clubs the favourites teaches pet and what all are not getting done at all and then you just think well what exactly what exactly is the point of trying to punish the likes of us and forest and whoever else and there will be others by the way course there will be others within there in that kind of world of football you just think i'm not entirely sure what's trying to be achieved because ultimately if you're trying to make a league which is more evenly matched and more competitive then you should be going after those at the top as opposed to those at the bottom which is kind of where they're starting this whole process it's almost like they're starting at the bottom and and moving up and it's like no stop and move down yeah what i mean just going back to what we've come up just just before saying about like brentford and ivan tony you know brentford have got ivan tony is the one thing that's going to keep them up this season you'd imagine and then they're going to look to cash in on them and they'll probably you know they'll look to spend that money and spend it on as well you need someone to buy ivan tony you need somebody to buy him and if you don't have someone to buy him so at the moment Arsenal would be the favourite but they couldn't buy him last month because they had no room to buy him so you always need someone you can load Brighton but you always need someone to take the player off Brighton for a hundred million pound and who's going to take that player you know Man City can't keep buying players so the other teams have to be able to they have to be and this is where I just find the whole thing mad and going back to what you said before the the the whole reason for for PSR was to stop clubs going bust well as I understand it there's only ports of whoever went bust and that's their own fault and I'm sorry but we have to just live in a world where if you're stupid enough to go bust you go bust why are why are why are we trying to protect people if you go bust you go bust you know and that's that might sound like a really selfish thing but if ever go bust because because the stupidity then you have to as a fan base you have to get ahead of that and rally around and I think we we as a fan base did that last year but all I can remember is port of went bust and have ended up exactly where they came from and really exactly where sort of that day level is and again that's not me being all oh I'm at where ever but portmouth I've always been a team really you are bounced around but if you go off like the gates and stuff and they're like they should be in the championship really but this is you can't like punish everybody else for the mistakes of a couple like Reading and and portmouth and a few more and but the irony being though that actually it's a points deduction that could ultimately relegate us and ultimately make us go bust which makes the whole thing ridiculous well certainly Dave even if we if we stay up we're still going to miss out probably on about 8 to 10 million pound this season because of the points deduction yeah absolutely in terms of what they would have got in yeah so that's a lot of money when it's coming in right let's let's have a bit of lightness before that was the light bit well you say that but Mike Cosgrove has asked us a question and it's actually quite a good one okay that's interesting if you were full yeah well he normally just states the obvious Mike doesn't he so if you were forced hi Mike yeah um if you were forced to sing karaoke yeah what song would you sing and also whatever song you sing you have to be in the body of that singer for a year he's put not sexually um what are you singing so you've got to be careful with your choice yeah because you know all I add one then and then as soon as you mentioned the body part I was like no I don't want that I'm going to say I'm going to go for mysterious girl Peter Andrew if you've got to be in that body for a year I'll have the apps whether he's bought them or not or he's just done lots of sit-ups I'll go with that the song's not great but it's easy to sing you can work with it you can work with it and that body have the apps back the six pack again walk around again because I did I have got evidence my photograph evidence for years I had the six pack right but walking around with the shirt open for a bit and jeans on I mean it might be on cold days but you don't mind showing them I mean in co-op getting me heal for me lunch other drinks are available walking around with just an open shirt and you know you have to maintain that body though he hasn't said that Mike so I'm going to assume I'm going to assume that without being eaten like Ned say your body stays the same obviously if I had Ned's diet I would look more like not Peter Andrew put a dish with Peter Andrew that I'd have to sit in the sauna with a bin bag on quite a lot if I had Ned's diet but I'm just going to assume a normal diet that I eat roughly will keep that in I'm going Peter Andrew mysterious girl so I've give you by talking I give you a little bit of time to I mean yeah I mean you've explained your answer and everything showing your workings which is important exactly all the show working out even if the answer was wrong but carry on yeah I well I mean I was about to tell you about one of my karaoke songs which I have performed on more than one occasion okay and but then when you talked about being in the body yeah you're not sure yeah then you know that was slightly disconcerting what I want before you both give me your answer what would have been your answer then Michael's pet come up with the same thing so well I mean I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna go on Dave tell you what what I did and yeah so I used to do earth song by Michael Jackson um my my my my my party piece okay and um but yeah I'm gonna have a fan blowing in your face so you could just lean back in an ideal world if we built upon the whole performance element of it then yeah fan would have come into into play and but you know but when you're doing this in you know in yatesies and stuff like that yeah it's not great for suppose you know you're not quite there yet but certainly the um the the the groundwork for what would have been an incredible performance in a karaoke setting was was was laid out you know and yeah the more the more I did it the more phenomenal I think it got okay okay interesting brilliant so if you're not doing that and staying in that body and no no no I am doing that oh you're sticking with it yeah okay brilliant brilliant okay um do you know I want to stick with my original answer because why not why not okay why not be you know why not be inside this man okay because why not I don't know who it is yeah so because tonight pet who are you going to be inside I'm going to be so I'm going to be inside Elton John well it's not the first time someone's probably said that so go on and hello David finish how are you it would be tiny dancer oh it's been moving forward oh my god look at that book by what by karaoke well shall I let them dance but anyway go by it yeah they're not allowed to have that okay they're not allowed to have that no they're not allowed to do that no no no so that's what you'd be is that you is that tonight Matthew I'm going to be inside Elton John fair play fair play and that you know because why not why not why would you would you cut through the smoke so to speak yes absolutely put this I'd have to share if and um because really I know you know if you had a syrup don't show it into his head it's a song it's a syrup I think he owns it now because the it's not only that song it's the back catalogue as well can you imagine just when you're just feeling a little bit like you know a little bit tense you might have just watched Everton play and you just get on the piano because you you obviously in the skills as well so what you're just going to sit there singing sad songs ever they've just been ever they're just saying so much they absolutely do you ever have just been beaten you just walk in you get all that hang on you're like careful copyright like that because you sound like you sound like them yeah so yeah so that my dream is is very much to be inside Elton John fair play to you cut out I mean he played and didn't he play in witness or something not long ago you could have gone there and had a couple of drinks and it might have happened he might have taught you but it's a tiny dancer definitely fair play I mean that's my version of it not Elton not Elton's version no no there you go yeah but why not okay I've got his full repertoire I mean I'm still standing can you yeah you know you could have just lost I am still standing you know I fell down at ill you're ha ha you're still very much standing I saw that by the way how is your knees I mean you properly cut yourself up didn't you I did I've done a couple of 10k since Dave so me knees are so they're a bit tender today because I went for a 10k last night but they will be 10k because you've hurt your knee no I did I did hurt me I've run past where I fell and I've looked up and thought wow it was like my naam okay fair enough that was naam not naam by your naam so your naam tripped your rocks your naam tripped your over rolling down the hill you know when your own edge you make it worse and then you look at hamburger hill very much so very much so okay in the final one I'll ask this this week is what do you think the inside of a black hole smells like it does have a smell apparently does it yeah apparently do you have smells brought into like scientists what do you think like smoky have you think you know what it has got the reckon it's got a smell like I probably liked the chocolate like a galaxy like an ape like alpine air fresh in it probably I'd imagine an alpine air are you getting your car like a like a tree shaped one but I don't know if that's fact I'm gonna google what there's a bullet Dave what would you think I take a chocolatey smell given there is the in the galaxy maybe the milky way maybe a milky way smell but Dave what would you think what would you think well I mean believe this or not I've never ever considered what a black hole would smell like now for me neither to be fair any of my adult life yeah um I'm more inclined to go for your original thought about the sort of the slightly smoky scent almost a bit like bonfire night you know when you can sort of in the air just in the air light smell of smoke and cinder it's not used enough on any podcast we don't get cinder here in our bonfire night but I can imagine you do get cinder that that sounds very much like a bone end thing you know a bone end and the bone identity thing yeah a cinder or is it more like a you know like the smoke machine do you know that smell of light well yeah we used to have one of those on the Jackson Dave world tour we used to take it out so it's almost like an air conditioning type misty type yeah you know space as a whole it's it's smell it's bitter smoky and and has a metallic smell smoky maybe right there you go but I don't I don't know whether that applies to a black hole but you know if you think you would know if you fall into a black hole yeah do you literally if someone looks at the black hole will you tell us you fell into one last week running so yeah i thought you to my own job but uh if you so if you fell into a black hole and someone looked at it all late sea is like your last thing image as you went in so because because because light kind of okay what would what would you do then so you're falling in and you know everyone's going to see the last your last are you going to fingers are you going to fans are you fans are you saluting and that's all people would see because because light can't escape it so that all any one would ever see is is you your last okay so what would be your last pose then so to speak would you do the mentality the rash go gangam style gangam style i don't know what that is i just yeah yeah that's a good the cross on the side full head balls yeah yeah he did that remember me and he stuck his crotch in that lady's face i'm not my i don't know what happened but fair play but listen when he when he did the gangam style routine oh yeah he kind of straddled his female partner okay kind of as i recall yeah he basically got you know at one point pretty much an eye full because he was straddling her she was underneath he was doing all that he went for a full t-back i tell you what if that's if that's all it takes to get your p.s morgan's job then we should all be so lucky which is all be t-back and people with dark balls called into it so dave so you what so you go gangam style yeah why not that'll be your last one pet i said dave's just gone yet whatever get me out of here did you say gangam style i said gangam style oh pet said it's so dave you did the actions dave i did the actions so that will be your last imprint you do me no i mean do it is that the way that i want to be remembered yeah it's the end obviously i'm i'm too young to remember ffonsi from happy days of course you have been 31 years of age dave you quite like the idea yeah you know yeah exactly oh you could go if keep with your a song just go back yeah absolutely people about smoke machine go east one michael jackson's touch to them nothing's the same nothing is the same um do you ever get worried about space just like like don't want to mean bad that is like i watch some videos on youtube nice i wouldn't that this is like it's like the educational video yeah you know different from the educational videos you watch of course yoga but like you did like in in so many million years like you know the sun will expand and blow up the air to know i'm sitting there going oh no what are we gonna do i'd never ever because it's just someone's opinion it's not someone's no it is no we're very much is it isn't it we always we always have this we always have this conversation it's like it's not five g people no well that's what are you on about that's not how do you know these scientists aren't five g people because they're not they're just fellas going i think that works like that no no no we're not going there we're not you're turning until attitiate stop it no you're going attitiate on me don't you're never going full attitiate on me no no stop but that's not the point these things are these things are theoretical facts but the point are facts because theoretically they're not but the point being is you ever like get worried about things that are like obviously never gonna happen in your lifetime no never do you know what do you know what i think about when it comes to space and my big thing is is whenever i am contemplating isn't very often but it's the it's the limitlessness it's the lack of boundaries that's the thing that really blows my mind because i think that as humans we can't really get our head around that because everything else has a containment to an extent whether that is the containment of the four walls that you're in or indeed the county you're in or the country you're in or indeed the world and anything beyond that right beyond being bigger than the planet where you it just doesn't stop it just goes on and on and on and on like a series of mirrors that's what i struggle with yeah yeah what if it what if there are what if there are the sides of the universe are made it very much like the Truman jump so yeah so that actually we think is what actually you did it it's just a constraint just made it big box big warehouse just a big warehouse you know that will be mad i do have that that's the only thing sometimes if like if you wake up in about three o'clock in the morning and you like wake up at three o'clock in the morning yeah yeah okay i listen to a lot of stuff which tells me to go to bed early or i will die early and i don't want to die early um but sometimes you wake up and you think of like oh the thought of never ending is just scary as well i think you go um but yeah what i thought we were finishing happy but you're doing it so my celebration what am i going for is it a celebration well it's just a last imprint but you don't want to look worried do you you don't want to look worried so the last imprint you've got i'm just going full dunk fair enough full dunk celebration i think that would suit you yeah i think so i think so before i pull the path um very much like emotionally or physically everything apparently so there you go but who knows who knows it is the black hole they're probably real probably just a mirror probably not real probably just a mirror probably made up by scientists people quite possibly who knows who knows for films maybe just to be like who knows who knows there you go let us know what you think about black holes what do they smell like what would be your last imprint if you could do something before you go could be the arm thumb on the nose tongue pull that could be anything it's quite deep this isn't it it is black holes apparently are very bad to being inside elton you go back to youth you keep being inside elton as your thought there you go there you go let's leave it there dave brilliant have a good week thank you very much have a good week we will see you next week i um take it easy everybody else this could be happy point week just play be positive let us know what you 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