 It is the debate time, following on from our long running series of what we've been doing for the last few weeks. This one's going to be a little bit tougher. Let's be honest, we ain't going to be debating very much. There's very little to debate. We're talking about Mike Walker's tenure at Evan and who was his best, most successful signing that cannot be discussed really because none of them were very good. Let me just run through. Now he came in in January 1994. His first game was away at Bolton in the third round of the cup. I was there, being the park. We drew 1-1. We did. Good times, we're going to, good times. We're coming because, like we discussed last week, how Kendall had left because of the Ding on the Moon situation. There was a lot of excitement wasn't it at the time when we were getting Walker. We were going after Walker. Yeah, we'd had that. We'd evidently did up, Adam. We'd Kendall had gone and we'd left him. He'd been going for too long. I mean, we were trying to get Walker, Norwich, trying to keep hold of them and he was the new shiny thing wasn't he? He was. Norwich had finished third in the league. They'd be by Munich in the Olympic Stadium. They were brilliant. They were brilliant to watch. They had exciting. And he was the one, I don't know about you, but he was the one that I wanted. I was like, oh my God, he's exciting if he gets it and playing this kind of football. And because I was Kendall, I put a side in that was okay. It just looked like an addition here and there and it'd be a decent side. And we went after Walker must suit the amazing because something, let's be honest, quite often in our following of everything, we have ideas of what we want them to do and we think, I'll be great if we could go after him. And this was one of those occasions when I was like, I'll be great if we went after my Walker and that's who we went after and then we got him. So the excitement, I think was there because it was this fella that's not had a big budget that had got this Norwich side to finish third in the league. And almost, you know, they were in the championship race. I remember playing them in about March, the Carrow Road, and there was a couple of points between them and you had to beat them three. And I think they destroyed themselves because they destroyed them and Norwich just fell away and I think finished there. But the next season, they were in Europe and they've done well. And so where's this fella who's done, been able to do that with a team like Norwich City? And you're thinking that as, you know, as Everton and the club, the size of Everton and everything, you know, lead champions only six or seven years before he's going to come in and be able to put his stamp on it. It felt, in retrospect, it feels a bit like going after Kuman in a way. It was like, he was like Martin, there's more, though, but yeah, ultimately. But what I mean is it was like we flexed our muscles to go and get, like, this name of people like, you'll never get him. And we were like, yeah, we've got in there, flexed our muscles and got him. And he was the big, the shiny thing. Did he fit in with Everton? Was he a big enough name for Everton? Those things didn't matter. He was the big manager at the time. He was, he was the, you know, it was the big, at the time it wasn't sort of, you didn't, didn't really go after, I suppose, European managers, that hadn't happened yet. He went after good British managers and he was the best one about and we went after them and we got them and. And we'd stepped away. That was, he was the first one, not Everton. That we'd stepped away from. Everyone else, you know, your Joe Royal, but he came after that. But people in front, you know, have a kindle, Colin Harvey, Billy Bingham, people like that. I know Gordon Lee wasn't but for a few years, we'd had the Everton connection before Gordon Lee. We'd had, you know, the Everton connection there as well. So Mike Walker was a step away from that. And I remember thinking at the time, I'm a vehicle thing that nothing to do with Everton. Fresh pair of eyes. Premier League, just started. You know, you know. Time to get it sorted. Well, when Howard left, obviously we were, we played Southampton, we beat Southampton. We were 11th of 22, by the way. So we were half way. We were mid-table, yeah. Jimmy Gable come in. And if my internet pressure's up a bit. Yeah. Well, we lost six or seven games. Well, we lost the next game. Man City, I remember. I was there. Carl Griffith scored, remember him? Yeah, yeah. Did he ever score? I was there. I was there. That put us down to 13th. The next game we played Sheffield we drew 0-0. That kept us at 13th. Yes. We got beat by Newcastle at home, 2-0, Andy Cole and Peter Beardley. Beardle in the chest. I remember that. They just kept the Newcastle. Just that, just like that. It was easy for them. They scored in the 14th and the 76th minute. That day we were in 4th then. That dropped us to 15th. That was the 18th of December. Then we went and played Sheffield Wednesday home, got beat 2-0. Was that Carl and Palmer scoring with the header? Yeah, definitely. I did a box on Sky on a Monday night. Yeah, that was on the 27th. So that dropped us to 16th. We got beat there. We played Blackburn, I think, next. Was it the next day or two days later? On the 29th. I went to Blackburn. Sheer that. We got beat 2-0, yeah. That kept us at 16th. That was very evident because the Sheffield game, Tony Cotty was in the studio. He didn't play and he had a cast on. He was like, yeah, I'm out for a bit. It was like a week or so. I went to Blackburn two days later. He started. It was all my games. It was the day, 1994, West Hamarow. What happened against West Hamarow? We got beat 1-0. But it was team breaking. Team breaking. The five minutes. Five minutes. That put us to 16th. So it was just a run of grimge. And they never, ever, ever. Chelsea, third of January. Away. Away. I'm thinking we got beat. 2-0. 4-2. Oh, 4-2, yeah. Yeah, because then we beat them 4-2 at home later in the season. 4-2. Cotty and Stupar scored the goals. So there you go. That run put us down to, still in 16th. Chelsea was 17th. They were shocked. We beat them 4-2. And that's when, so all those games, we've dropped. We've gone from 11th in the table to what we were at. 17th under Jimmy Gable. So we were halfway. We were all right under Howard Kendall. He just wanted a bit of ambition. Get us into 4-2, drive us forward. Give us a Jimmy Gable. We just came off. And now we're in the shit. We're bringing Mike Walker and we play Bolton Wonders in the Epic Cup as we go. We drew 1-1. And then a second game, we play it home against Swindon and win 6-2. Cotty got a hat-tick. Very late. Third goal as well. Let's Angel. Let's Angel, but he's only... Oh, no. He didn't score. No, he didn't score. But Angel started with Cotty. He played, yeah. Cotty got a hat-tick. Cotty got a hat-tick. April, Cotty got a hat-tick. 42, 82, 89. Gary Abbot scored on the 72nd and Peter Baker scored on the 90th. So we scored 4 goals in the last 18 minutes. We were winning 2-0. Yeah. And we haven't ended up, did we? Let them back in at 2-2. I think Paul Bolton scored the 20,000. The goodness. Yeah. So, as I said, it was a weird time. But before we discuss a little bit more, let's get the sirens. OK. I can find them. So, first of March, 1994, he brought Brett Angel in. He'd been on loan for half a million. On the same day, he brought in... About a pound of corn to this, he did. Gary, Robert, 250,000. Yeah. He brought in Joe Parkinson, 250,000. He brought in Anders Limpar for 1.6 million. Big money. Big money. Could have got. Bars, yeah. Could have got a thing go for that. Then double. Then double. He sold Peter Baker for 1.4. So that's where probably most of that money was from. He sold Precky. He sold Pultate. He sold Mark Ward. He brought in Anacachi. He sold Tony Carty. He brought in Vinny Samways. He brought in David Burroughs. So there's not a massive amount of players there that he brought in. Can't really see any of them had an influence in his time. For him. For him. Some of them had an influence, but not for him. I suppose out of... I suppose out of all of those, the ones that had an influence for him would have been Limpar for the Wimbledon game. Yeah. For simply getting the penalty. Yeah. For the Wimbledon. Anyone else, I don't think, then to anything in his about 10 months and 10 years. So... The one I'd go for would be Joe Parkinson. More for what he did after he left. He played a lot more games than... We looked through it. He played a lot more games than I remember him playing. Because it always felt like to me that when... when Joe came in, Joe Royal, that he brought Joe Parke back from the... Because I remember the week before, because when he got sacked, there was a gap in international break, and Joe Parke played in a mini derby at Anfield. And... It always... When you think back, I always thought Joe Parkinson didn't play a lot of games, but he did. We looked at it before he played in most of the games. So... I think he was back out of the team. Yeah. And I think Joe Royal didn't know that much about it. He probably, in that mini derby, probably made him go... Disfelech and do his job, in what he wanted to do. I think it's difficult, isn't it? Because you can look and... If you're just talking about that 10-month time scale, none of those players touched the sides, really. They came in and... Lim Parke was the highest profile out of all of them. He'd been brilliant to that. He'd destroyed us a lot, with Balasie-esque. You know, he'd destroyed us when he played against us. When you got him in, you were like, yeah. And I remember when he came in, being excited, thinking, oh, I've got this exciting win there. I was sad we sold Beagrie, though. Yeah, well, I loved Beagrie, but again, he was another. He was half and half funny. He was the half-bitten. He was very Balasie, Beagrie. If he'd just simplified... When he simplified his game, he was really good. Yeah. But he just couldn't simplify it. He wanted to beat the man three or four times. But Lim Parke came in and I remember him. He just wasn't very good. He didn't really want to beat everybody. Let's be honest. He didn't. Well, I don't think... I don't know whether he didn't want to beat Everton. I don't think he wanted to beat Everton in the situation he was in. That was the issue. We were so good. He had no fighting him, didn't he? No, he was no fighter. He was a ball player, wasn't he? But he was a Mike Walker type player. He was a clever football type player. So when you look at it, you think, well, I'd be buying him when we'd need battlers, but for the manager's ethos, if you like, he was that kind of player. Well, I think... I think if Mike Walker maybe had took over straight after Howard Kendall... I mean, that gap was too big. I mean, it's like this year, that gap is far too big. To go through all those fixtures over Christmas and not to bring a man in. I know Howard Kendall left on his own back, but by losing all those games over Christmas and just putting ourselves in a situation, suddenly confidence is a big issue. And he brought in a manager who may not really have had the skills to do what he needed to do. But maybe if he'd been coming in 11th, he would have had a little bit more time and a little bit... I don't know. I think the team was settled, wasn't it? And the fixtures, you've just read out. I mean, none of them are making you quake in your boots, are you? That's the thing. Those games at that time were against teams who were basically all around us and lower than us. And we were doing OK. I mean, if Howard would have had those games, he wouldn't have... I'm quite sure we wouldn't have lost six of the seven. So it was that... But I mean, ultimately, the players played the game. He said this season went for Ronald Coombe and he wasn't doing it. And, you know, David Undreth was into it and even Sam Aladise has had his period where he was performing and you have to look at the players because the players are playing the game at the end of the day. But we just let it bob on too long. And we have this season, basically. And we saw what happened this season in terms of where we ended up. Everyone was worried. It was just that it was very early. Now, we'd have let that go and then that had happened kind of over Christmas, January. I think we'd be writing this year now. So that's what happened then. And it was rudderless for a few weeks and what rudderless becomes the players become a little bit like, you know, what's going on here and then. I just don't think you can ever give games away in the Premier League. And I felt like we've done that this season as well. We've kind of just gone. We were kind of going. It doesn't matter. We'll get there and we'll sort that. And that's what it was like at that time. And it was only as we were going through the second half of the season that you kind of started looking, going, you know, in December, when we were getting beat every couple of days, but we were going over after this manager and you're passing them games off. You were running out of games to correct what you'd fucked up almost over the Christmas period. It looked like, I mean, we basically sleepwalked our way into relegation into the relegation zone. I mean, we only dropped into it with a week to go. Got me three little leads. And I was at that match. It was just very much like, once they scored their first goal, the fight went out of all our players and we didn't know what to do. A lot of mirrors of this year. Yeah, yeah. There was a period. It was a weird one because I think it was a weird collection of players as well. It was. No one really fit. They didn't really fit together. And there's a lot of kids and there's a lot of senior players and nothing really fit. And players come from like, maybe lower league teams. And no one really fit together. And I was just saying, buying something like Limpare, who was almost, well he was. He was a luxury player. The luxury player when we didn't have a right to have any luxury players. And they sent us forward to score that many goals. And yet all these players under different managers or a different manager pulled together and ended up being a decent team. Walking himself, I mean, you know, he, it was hard. I mean, I was in my teens at the time I was in school. It was always hard to put your finger on what was going wrong. And I remember, you know, before he got sacked, it was like a run of three decent fixtures where we'd drawn a couple in one and you were thinking maybe the corner was turning, but that's when he was sacked. But since then, obviously, you were ex-players, Neville Salford was the best one if you want to listen to him. He just says, he was never there. Yeah, he was in the trains, really. In the police years, and he'd just be there in the middle of the train, I think, with his trunks on. Trunks on by them. Yeah. Well, other people were doing the stuff. And the scene of the thing where Mike Walker does an interview with him, I think it was probably on the evidence. Yeah. He said he should have been on the train and climbed a bit more. Should have. Yeah. We never recovered from it, did he? Never recovered from it. Listen, we got to the Wimbledon game. What a fucking horrendous... What are your memories of that day? I've told you this before, I wasn't there, I wasn't there. I was playing. This is my memories of the day I was playing. And the memories of that day. And the fucking game got... You were playing for St. Helens? Yeah. And the game got called off a ten to three. And... I run off, got changed, I was getting a lift home, and I was in a car with four coffee and me. And by the time I'd gone out of the rocket, we were getting the tunnel, and they were fucking pissing themselves. And I walked home crying. Was there no... Were you not... Did you not have any, like, thing to get to? To just be there? No. Just in case? No, because... I just wanted to focus on playing. No, I mean, when you were coming back... Oh, when I come back, sorry? Was there no, like... Was there no, like... To just get on? No. Drop me off and go to some park? No. Because by the time I got there, by the time we'd come down, and then we were tunneled down. You could have gone in the park, hadn't you? Of course I'd gone to the park. At that time, I was fit as fuck, and I'd been on the fucking piss. You wouldn't let you in? I'd have fucking played. You knew everybody, they'd have just let you in. But I got on with this year in time, being fucking sub, and they'd come on in the last twenty. No. I got out of the car, and just the last thing I wanted to do would have been, like, that day, I'd just walked down, just fucking crying. There was no mobile phones, obviously, and none of that. And I got... You were dealing with whispers and rumors? I was just walking down the road, down the back street, like two hours, and... And I was just thinking, we'd been delegated. That's what I was thinking. Because I'd watched the fucking showman he'd get being to games, and watched showman being to away games with no heart, and... I'd seen nothing. So two on down, two nil down, walking home thinking, the team's got no fighting in it. So the last thing we could do with was going behind, to go two nil down to the team who were in sixth place. And had you been promised a trip to Vegas? Had you been promised a trip to Vegas? We'd been bent the coach, or someone had bent the coach out. Someone had bent the coach out. Or an electrical fault than I'd before in the coach. You know and all that. But by the time I got home, I'd get in and put the radio on. It's 2-1 and the whistle goes for half time. And I remember our neighbors were fucking red like, and he was fucking dancing around and all that. And to listen to the second half on the radio. I think then I was thinking, why didn't I just fucking go to the dressing room? But obviously Barion, when Barion scored, it's like, we can do this. There's twenty-odd minutes, I think Sheffield, you know, getting beat up in Chelsea or whatever it was. And then fucking hell went, when Stuart scored, I'm banging on my fucking neighbor's wall, I'm fucking out in the street screaming and all that. And what's weird is, I don't remember, the last ten minutes, I don't remember being his neighbors, as I fucking will be on Saturday, but when I'm with three minutes ago, and I'm beating me, I don't know why, it was weird, but when Barion, when Graham scored, I just thought, that's it, we've done it. We have twelve minutes to go. And there was fucking death, there was loads of time, now, and that fucking four bloody... I think they might have had one chance, they might have had one chance, but Peter fear always comes into my mind. But that might have just been two things that were put together on the day. I remember that, I remember that day, I remember that, I remember all week being like, the build-up to it. I remember going into town with my mate, and my mate bought one of those horns, like proper like A-horns, but the dickhead took it into school the next day and had to take it off him, because he's gone and skated. And that was supposed to be for the match. And I think we left that house, I think we were having some work done on that house, at the time, I think they were doing the loft extension or something like that. There was always work going on my mum, there was always work going on that house. And I remember Lee, we left, we left about half 10, 11 o'clock, because we just knew though, we just knew everyone was going to go and it wasn't like, there wasn't tickets in them days, it wasn't, obviously. And we were going down to get the bus, I think it was like the 61 from the Vale, or something like that. So we've got, so we had flags and all kind of that. I just remember all the way, he's just laughing at us, just laughing at us, just buzzing like anything. Fucking, like, it was getting to style. And they were just laughing at us, like, how I look at you in your bed. So it's like, but got up to goodness, and I just remember being going down, glad I see this, and it just being full of people. And the gates hadn't even opened yet, just getting into a queue. And like everyone you knew was like, like everyone you knew, but you weren't really made to, I don't know, you can't hear, you can't hear, getting in the queue, would you? Got in, no seats anywhere. I stood the whole game behind one of the stairs, the whole game. Glad to see it was way over, way over, way over, it was absolutely chocky. There wasn't a seat, people were standing in the, and no one said it a word, it was just dead weird. And then just, I just remember the game unfolding, it was like you just said, it was just mental, faced off, it was just like, the way the face goes, and the way the, the way Abla's hand borders, into the, what it, it just hits into his own gorge, mental, just like, this two nil, just this like, people just, didn't know what to do. It wasn't that, it was just an air of, is this real? Because it was just so, it's the biggest game, and yet, you're just, you're old, just felt a bit, and that bad back of that one happened, and then obviously we went down the other end, and then Pa falls over, gets us the pen, Stuart puts it away, calm, cool, collected, and then remember coming out, second half, and the play, just had a really good goal, and there was an air that it was coming, the second goal was going to come, and then, obviously, bad at your own, and smashes on it, but the weird thing about it was, like you just said, about rumours and stuff, everyone thought we were safe, at 2-2, everyone was like, a goal, which of getting beaten, everyone thought we were safe, so getting the third was almost like, well, that's it, even if these equalised, we'll be alright, but it wasn't, we had to win, but nobody knew that, and I think maybe that's what took the anguish away, if people had known, that would have created, that anxiety, if we'd been at 2-2, everyone was like, oh, yeah, party time, but maybe if people hadn't known, that would have made people more nervous, and going 3-2 up, people just like, yeah, even if we can see, this is sad, we're alright, but we win, so it was that misinformation that might have just helped us on the day, but could you imagine if it had gone 2-2, finished the 2-2, and walking out, and everyone would be like, ah, and then going, no, you should have gone. That would have been right, it's absolute carnage, but it didn't happen, and I always remember as well, the referee was the Welsh fella, Keith Cooper, and he was well onto what was going on, like, he knew, and I just remember, like, we had the ball on the right, and it was like the last minute, and you had that everyone was whistling, and Keith Cooper kept on going to the floor of his mouth, he kept on pulling like that, and then he looked at the glass seats, like, he knew exactly what he knew, like, he was going to blow up, but he was going, and everyone was like, like properly mental, and then obviously, the seat blows up, and everyone goes berserk, but I just remember seeing everyone, everyone was on the pitch, and I must have just been in the state of, like, euphoria or menace, and apart, the camera went on me in the gladness seat, and went on like, like, grandstand, it's over together some part, where everyone has survived, and apparently the camera was just fixed on me for like a minute, while a fella read out, like, what had happened, and there was like panning out and back on me, and I was just like that, like, not going mental, I was just like, I don't know whether I was exhausted by it, or I was just like, and then I ended up getting onto the pitch and stuff, because everyone went on the pitch, like, yeah, and it was just a mental day, and then from then I thought, I think everyone was like, well, you know what? He'll go away, and he'll make his signings now, and we'll be alright, and obviously we went and got finished some ways. I think at the time, everyone was quite excited about it. He was a good player. He was a good player, he just didn't really, he wasn't consistent for us at all. He was skillful footballer, but he was, I don't know, he was just too, he seemed too weak, like, on the ball, you know, or maybe we just went a strong enough team to have him in it. Again, though, it's not what I mean. Is that symptomatic of buying what we didn't need? Well, I think he wanted ballplayers, didn't he? He wanted exciting ballplayers, so I don't know, it's hard, isn't it? I suppose as a manager, you've got an idea in your mind what you want. And then, obviously, it was the World Cup, the World Cup 94. Now, there's no England there. There's only Ireland there from the home nations. So I think that World Cup was shit. I loved it. I thought it was a brilliant World Cup, but I think what, I think because... Just wasn't as good as England. But because England were there, I think that opened the eyes of a lot of people to football from other countries. And the countries like Sweden and like Nigeria and just like... I think it just Bulgaria. I think it opened the door for people going, there's no England, so I'm going to have to watch this game. I'm going to have to watch that game. And then that suddenly opened the door for players that people had made of. And suddenly the Premier League was like, well, the big stars of this World Cup are all these players who don't play for England because they had to be because there was no England team there. And I think those people, and that's so obviously to TV companies, BBC and ITV, they've got to try to sell a game. So you're selling a game by talking about players who are foreigners. I think that opened the door to those players coming to our country because they were... Everyone, you knew who Martin Darlin was. You wouldn't know who he was now. You knew, you know, Jadon Clinton, I was brilliant for Germany, you know, and Akati did really well for... Suddenly these players were on the lips of everyone because they were like, that's all you're at. You didn't have all these other players. You didn't have your English players. You had all these players. It's hard to get, darling. Yeah. But this is what point it was going to come on to. So I think that summit, the Premier League clubs with a little bit more money were like... These are the big ticker players. These are the players coming off the back of the World Cup. These are the players who are going to get bums on seats. So everyone was trying to buy somebody. So, first of all, we wanted... So Peter Johnson had just come in and as well as me. So it was like... So we've got the new park end. That was built. And it was like, who can we get? Who can be our player? So we decided to get Jadon Clinton, didn't we? We were like, I'm never playing in the Premier League. Next week he's signing us bears. We tried to get Martin Darlin. And it was like, nope, he ended up going to Blackbird. And it was like taking a list off, wasn't it? Of like... He went to Blackbird and they didn't go that way. No, he went... He went... He went in the summit or did he? I think he went in an odd time. But it was literally like going down the list, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah. And I just remember, I remember walking past the news agent again. So we've talked about many ways how you used to get your news or, you know, but it was in the echo thing. In the billboard. In the billboard, outside the shop, Everton linked with Whale Cup star. And then you're like, who is he? And it was Daniel Amacatch. And you're like, what the fuck's Daniel Amacatch? And you're like, he's going to Whale Cups. And you're like, going back, oh yeah, he scored that goal and he did that celebration. Because Nigeria obviously was scoring. They were boss. And they did a boss celebration. And again, it was like everyone was woke up to another team. And I was like, oh yeah, playing the Whale Cups, it must be a good player. So obviously we went after him. Got him. Sam Ways, Cotty went out with a Swapford. David Burroughs. Don't really know why that happened, but it did. And I suppose we were going into that next season with a little bit. I don't know why. Because we finished the season just staying up. We hadn't really bought anything we needed. And we were like, we're going to be boss this season. It was like, what the fuck? Peter Johnson was like, we'll never let that happen again. That's never happened. And I remember just Evertonings being like, that'll never happen again. We came so close to losing. All people forgot. It was like, we forgot. The attendance was like 20,000. And everyone was like, you know what, we all forgot. We all forgot what's boss about supporting Everton. That's our wake up. And I think that's what drove into that next season. I remember going to the first game of the season and everyone was like, we were bouncing. The game was bouncing. And we do too, too. Didn't we? And there was an optimism. An optimism. But you just had an optimism. But it was weird because the results just didn't... Mulla was that September, wasn't it? Yeah, I think so, yeah. We had them in with the all red jacarone. So they'll give you 20 grand a week and you thought it was tax-free. Tax-free? No, not tax-free. And when he, it wasn't tax-free. It wasn't tax-free. Because he obviously got a few goals from Brazil in the World Cup. You've got to have a cat in Mulla in the front. If the tax, they are tax-man. We could have got a tax-clad on. Yeah. Yeah, and we just, we started the season and it didn't start very well at all. They didn't... In the first few games you were like, well, through the fill we were all right and we lost that game. We were okay. And we lost a few and you're like, got beat by space, start winning it. Yeah. Because we didn't? We're just not winning any games and the players, you know, and my cat, he scored. Davey, home Davey, yeah. Blackburn, he got battered, he didn't do anything. We come home and we drew the QPR and he scored. You know, we drew 2-2 and there was like that, he's up and running now and he didn't score another goal for Mike Roche. I didn't know. You know, right, we got into that little, we got a little room, we drew with Arsenal and then we beat West Ham. It was a night game. It was unbelievable, wasn't it? And then we obviously went to Norwich and drew 0-0. And we were on the break then and you think, we were like, over 3 on beating. 5 points over the last 9. Because we were battered, we were like, at the bottom. But you're thinking, yeah, it's starting to, we're starting to do what he wants us to do now and then he's sacked him. Yeah. And I remember it is, you know, it was starting to say and I felt and we've done this. It was the standard, the League Cup and it was two-legged then. Porter beat us in 3-2 and then we drew. We just drove with them on. We got beat 1-0 away. 3-1, man. Yeah. But we broke. Duncan Fakes and come in on loan with the endurance. Which was a weird one because it was like, this was, I mean, this is another weird story. So when we doing the challenge, we go to say, Duncan was his most. Again, yeah. That's a power. We only had us four games, didn't we? But I remember this was a weird story as well but what had happened with this was, Peter Johnson had gone up to Rangers to talk to David Murray and Rangers were obviously a massive club then. They were a massive club in terms of, you know, British and European and they'd gone up to do talk about, like, optimizing marketing and commercial possibility. You're like, basically going up there to have a little look to see how they did things. How they did it, yeah. And, came back. Yeah, basically, they got talking and they were like, oh, we need this and need that. And they were like, do you? Because we've got a couple of players there that are not playing once coming back from an injury and Duncan Ferguson just needs to get out of Scotland. Because obviously he was on, he was, they were looking about, jailing them, they were looking for banning them for 12 games. He was just under, having all kinds of shit up there fighting and all kinds. He was just like, yeah, you know, taking these two with, back with, yeah. And that's basically what happened. They were like, they were like, well, we've got room in the car, yeah. And it's like them now. Yeah. And Duncan just like, yeah, I got that red fucking orange thing that I got in. And that's how it happened, basically. It was just like, just like, he wouldn't go, Mike Walker, maybe Walker, because he, Muller turned up like a red, maybe Walker was like, when you shine and you say, well, orange or a red jacket, just a show. And it was just like that. It was like the green jacket on the master's. There was no thing about signing players. It was like a purely marketing thing to learn how to basically make money, which is weird, because they didn't learn that. No. And they were like, yeah, I've got you sent to me feel that, and we've got, yeah. And do you know, do you know, I was supposed to come, it was supposed to be a loan to buy. To buy. And Fakeson was just a loan. It was never, ever going to be, never going to sign for us. They didn't want, that was made clear. And Fakeson was like, I don't even want to go there. No. Where is he? And it was made very clear that he wasn't, he wasn't, he was signing for a month. And that was it. And, and the way it didn't work, Gerant, I thought Gerant was really good for us. He was. I think it was his knee. I think the knee was the problem. He was, he was very good. He didn't train as much as he wanted, but he was a good, good player. You know, he was, he'd been fantastic for reins and he was, he was backing their side, but, he wasn't quite, he was in and out and then it was like, you meet, you know, you need games. And like you said, we were, we needed players. So, you know, we come down and might walk a gift on some games and, you know, dunking was, he got a bang on his foot in that post, on the game. I remember it, I've only been there centre-ars for the foot. We had a bruise on the top of his foot. So, he wasn't in a full pelt for the first couple of games or for a walk. I, I just remember there was a picture of him, he got booked in the port of game and the rest got the book and like that and it's like, literally on the same level as his head and, and I just remember saying, but, but I remember when he signed for reins, we were like, we were kind of, kind of tried to buy him and he was like, done the United, he'd gone and watched them a few times and we had a bid him for and he wanted to go to reins and it was like, you know, I've just missed out on this play. Because it, for weeks it'd been, he's going to join Everton, he's going to join Everton and he went to the Rangers and you were like, Leeds were after him as well and it was, yeah, and then he was like, no, I want to play for Rangers and it's weird how things turn around, isn't it? But, but it was like, I think the weird thing was, it was, it was just that, he found, I don't know, he obviously just found a hole and everything basically. Well, I think obviously it didn't go great and he decided to sack him and obviously Joe came in and, Joe was, you know what Joe was like? No, no, but he just, what I mean is Joe Royal is, he gives you that when you're sitting so I think you can understand why players want to play for him because he's that kind of fella and obviously he could identify with Duncan because he was a big number nine for Everton and, but what was weird was, the people in the city took them, listen, it's like, it's like Glasgow, isn't it, Liverpool and we love our footy and people took them under his wing. But I think the difference, I think the difference, the difference was was that when he was at Rangers, there was a lot of pressure on him to do well and when he came in, there wasn't that necessary pressure, he didn't want to be here, did he? But, but yeah, it was, it was just, it was weird how many, like again, last week about how many players Kendall had that play under the 95, you know, he was playing regularly with like nine of those, that nine of that team but for whatever reason he couldn't make it work and again, that sometimes shows you what a difference of a manager can do. I think we played some nice footy under Mike Walker but it was very matty, not as, not as, he wasn't as obsessed as Martin, as was with passing it down on the back and all that, but we did play some nice footy but we were just too soft. Like, and even before when you were talking about the game and got B3 in a layer and we got B4 too. You just listen to the goals that we were, we were shaping in and you know, you can see the goal and collapse just very much like we were saying at the start of this, in this season currently, one goes in followed by two and three and that's what it was like then. You mentioned the West Ham game, though, that was a massive turning point for that team because listen, we know, we know what happened with the Derby and the three games on a bounce when Joe Royal came in but, you know, you mentioned that we were three on beating so we had a really long, we had a decent run and you can see, we'd gone from letting goal in at the goal to having one goal in three games before, you know, that was just what he finished with. But that West Ham game, that was huge, I remember that game, it was a horrible game, I just, but I remember, you know, Gary Abbott scored but I just remember the last few minutes, they were just banging on the door and didn't we watch it on a Retro and it was like one was cleared off the line in the last minute and they blocked one on the line. It was incredible and I think that game was absolutely amazing because everybody knew that was the night that we had to win a game. You're playing a team with, you know, it was what, it was October. November, wasn't it? I think it was late October, wasn't it? Late October, right? It was late October or middle of October. You'd haven't won a game in the Premier League and you looked at the fixers that were coming up and you're thinking, fucking hell, if we don't win a game soon, we're gone. Already. You know, and the atmosphere for that game and as we spoke about before, fans, you know, suddenly realising staying with the team. You know, yeah, being with the team. That game, I don't think I've ever felt you know, I know, listen, in other times, Kendall, Thomas, Bime, you know, Gladys, you sucked a ball and for that night, the fans really just went, this is us, this is Everton. Forget about feeling shit because of what we haven't got. Let's not lose what we have got. I think that was unbelievable. I think that block, if you remember rightly, the block was at the park end, right at the entrance and probably someone like fucking beat you up in there, someone. And I remember it, we blocked it or it went out and everyone stood up as if we'd scored and it was like, fucking good. And the people were hugging each other and it was like, just gone cold, remembering it. That thing because it was that important. The players were hugging each other. The game, they just bumped out for a drawing or a corner and players were hugging each other because they knew. You've rightly knew that we had not a two-way and then they're breaking and Liverpool are only with top or second. And it was like, this is the night. If we don't do it tonight, we'll never do it. And, you know, we haven't gone and won the game. It was a mentality thing as well. It was about the confidence, wasn't it, to go, we can dig in all of a sudden because we haven't been able to. We've just been battered to blackbait, being ill and we'd left foreign somewhere and you're like five and you can't keep getting smashed and getting back up because at some stage, you know, you're going to keep going battered this season but the fragility when you're letting goals in, no-one's the ball and you get a lot of Ashley Williams performance then they're like, fuck you, I've just got to try to look after myself. I can't help you because if I go there and they score it, it'll be on me and players are, and that changed that. And there's a lot of parallels between both players that weren't necessarily needed for what we were doing. For what we were doing. Yeah, players, you had me in the club that long, you had kids, you had older senior players like Southall and Watson and there was just a weird mix of people who were new who hadn't settled in with just like, Limpaba's just like, I don't give a fuck about you. I don't care. Why am I here? Why am I playing with you? You're shit. You're shit and you're not worth my time and that's what Limpaba's like. He was like, you're not, you're not worth my time and you had other players who were like, you had other players who like, ride out, let's say, who was trying to find the level but couldn't find the level and you had other, you had people like David Burroughs who just didn't give a fuck. He didn't want to be here ever, did he fuck want to be here ever? Yeah, I'm a cat you'd come in from, it was just like, why? It was just this weird mix of just like, I've been sold a fucking liar. There was no identity and that was that, I think, from when I was kind of left, we were, so Mike Walker come in and if you're a man that's more interested in getting your trolleys on and throwing the owl fucking baby oil on and laying in the sun, you'd, where's the team spirit gonna be fed? Where, who fosters that team spirit? Mike Walker, I would say, is the godfather of pads. Yeah, yeah, most definitely. You know, Mike Walker, this generation now would be that man you would find at a club surrounded by four bids with a boss, he's got a, he'd have a boss tan. He'd probably be on the air with his son Ian. Yeah. You know, trying to get, trying to get with one of Ian's Mrs's mates, yeah. Cat mates, you know. Yeah, probably was then. That's what he was like. He was like, I'm the editor manager and, oh, don't worry about the, actually a bit about being the manager, or the status of it. Or the status of it. And that was the thing he'd come across anyway, didn't he? Aye, I mean, listen, when we, when they shocked him, I was, I was gutted. Honestly, I wanted, I wanted to believe in him. He'd done well and we'd just started getting a few results and I was thinking, well, maybe now we're going to kick on, because, and, you know, it was like, now he's out, he's gone. And you're like, why have you done that? He's got a strong leadership by Johnson to go, this isn't working. This is not working. Yeah. It doesn't matter. But don't, don't you think that may be a few of those senior plays? Listen. I've knocked on the door. Of course, yeah. And he wasn't, the thing, don't forget I, I started working at everything later in that year. And, Peter Johnson, I know, a lot of people will hate him and all that. I'm fair enough, you know, he had some good ideas for everything. He really did. He just, things just didn't quite pan out for him the way, the way he hoped. Didn't it? Did you chase people? Don't know what I'm saying. Well, exactly different things happen that kind of thing. Pulled money away from him. Pulled money away from what he wanted. Bad investments. He wanted, he wanted to do. He wanted to pedestrianise Goddison Road and have fucking tiles down. You know, like the, the blue one, he wanted that as it is. He wanted the wins, low enough, I think, going across into the main stand. He wanted to make that an evident thing. He wanted the, I don't know what happened with the park end, because it was originally supposed to be two-tier. He wanted to take out the bullens and make that one level going back. So it wouldn't have been three different stand. It wouldn't have been the paddock going straight into the back of the lower bullens, all in one with the plastics. He said, these were all his ideas at that time. He looked at redeveloping Goddison. Now, he didn't have the money to do all that, but he was looking at ways to get it in, as well as trying to finish the team. What he needed was us to be a better team, really, to be able to get that momentum going, and like you just said, some really bad investment. I don't think he surrounded himself with good people. He needed a, he needed a, a good chief executive at the time. These fucking parallels are unbelievable, Andy. Are unbelievable. Isn't it weird that, isn't it weird that the, the reasons why fucking football clubs just fall to bits, or, or because they're just, a lot of the time, poor, administrational, you know, because one of the biggest things about the Johnson era, and obviously it wasn't at this time, was the Nigel Martin story. Nigel Martin, ever won a sign from Crystal Palace. He's on his way to Everton first, he was a brilliant goalkeeper. He wanted to come here. He wanted to come here. He's on his way, and he goes over to Goddison, and they're like, there's no, there's no one here, Nigel. And this is the time before agents and all that. Everything's done face-to-face. Oh, he's not, he's not here. You'll have to go over to his offices on the widow, Park Campus. Okay, yeah. So being the nice man he is, Nigel Martin, he's like, yes, no problem. So he goes over, Peter Johnson's not there. He always wants me to, Cliff Finch. And Cliff Finch is like, oh, there's no one here today to deal with this. But what, what else have you got on? Well, Leeds is here. Well, tell you what, go and speak to Leeds. Now, Leeds told them about Leeds. Leeds wanted to speak to him. Just Leeds wanted to speak to him, so... Go and speak to Leeds first, and you speak to them and come back. So he goes to Leeds. What's the first thing Leeds do? Bring a couple of kids out for his kids and say, no matter what happens, they take them on us. They're for your kids. Nigel Martin just went fuck with what I'm saying. Yeah, they were all over him. They were like, they probably couldn't believe the look that Evan had turned him away because there was nobody. There was no... There was somebody. There was nobody there. No one... Well, it only needed the answer at that time. He was the main man, and he'd set up the thing, and he wasn't there to do it. So Cliff Finch should have been able to fucking do it. He should have been able to say to Nigel Martin, right, this is what we want out of here. This is what you want. Yeah, that's fine. Right, we'll get all this sorted. Could have fucking bought them. I'll take you out for a meal. Could have bought... I'd have took the fucker out. I'd have took him out for a meal. This is how football clubs were running the 90s. Well, this is how... I thought it was running the 90s. That was him. And then Mark Swater came. The same fucking deal. Mark Swater came. Johnson not there. Cliff Finch. Right, we want you to sign. Swater's like, okay, what do you... This is what I want. And Cliff Finch was like, listen mate, you should be wanting to crawl over broken bottles to play for Evan Football Club. And Swater went, Middlesbrough want me. So yeah, and fucking went to butter. And went, no disrespect to Evan. I'm from Australia. I'm a footballer. And you're not exactly winning titles. These want me, and these in the Premier League, and they've offered me that. And you're telling me that I should not have that. I should just sign for you. But that's... That's unfortunate in the way... And so, we had... Paul Gerrard, Steve Simmons, and all of that. We spent more money on them. Of course we did. And we did, if we... And that comes down... Again, that just comes down to poor administration, not having the right people in the right place, not even forward thinking. This is three years after Man United. That fucking... What's his name, running the show? What's his name? Oh, Michael Knight. No, no, Michael Knight. No, before the fellow, before David Gill. What's his name? Edward. Edward's, yeah. That's Edward's one in the show. That's not David Dean. You know, the proper football man. We had nobody in this... That's why... What I'm saying is that there was a man there, and I'm not saying he's great, and he would have been amazing. But he had some good ideas, and he had some money when we didn't have any. And so, we could have moved forward with the right thing. And we didn't, unfortunately. What's his name? And now we've got his name. Who's the guy we got from... Dabi? Michael Dunford. Dunford. No, but the thing about Michael Dunford though, the thing about Michael Dunford was he was a good football man. He had people side with him, who wouldn't let him do the stuff that he should have been able to do. Again, a lot of parallels now. Yeah, yeah. But at the end of the day, I mean, this is that again, one of the people who goes under the radar of the whole kind of layer is Jim Greenwood. Yeah. Jim Greenwood. Club secretary. He did everything though. Did everything. He did everything. You know, you look at, you know, when you see... contact Dave. Now, Jim Greenwood is the same. Jim Greenwood, Jim Greenwood run everything. And he was the buffer between Carter and Kendall. He did everything. And sometimes you need a team of, like, you'd need all the parts for it to work. But what was mad was, when I went back to work there, there was about three people involved in that process. And now there's about 43 people involved in that process. Not necessarily that process, because it's all broken up now. Obviously, David Harrison does all the football side and everything like that. But then there's other people getting in the way of other stuff. It's just everything. When you just think and you go, it's almost like you go... I think we said this on the last week's one, but you bounce through season to season and you talk to each other and you go, I'll be great, won't I? And we'll text each other and go, for fuck's sake, where's she at? Oh, whatever. And you bounce along every year. But when you stop at these videos and go, no fucking wonder where she's at this mistake after Mr. and you never re-evaluate it until now, I'm looking now and going, oh my God, it's so simple to see. And these knobheads, they fucking hole punch FC, they don't make the same mistakes hence why they win. Well, they do, they get them sorted. Why do they want stuff? Because they don't allow it. They don't allow it. The administration side. Under Peter Johnson. And this is later on, but I've just mentioned it. Tell me not to throw this pen. No, no, no. If anyone, we used to just laugh about this all the time, DJ Spuddles, right? So DJ Spuddles was a brand of potato, oven potatoes, so think of like alphabites. So they had this genius idea that they were going to launch these DJ Spuddles and that's what kids were going to have for the tea every night. DJ Spuddles and beans or DJ Spuddles and this was there. I have no idea. Why not? DJ Spuddles, Peter Johnson. DJ Spuddles was going to be the big thing and they were going to be on every plate. He put a fucking fortune into it and it just went. But because his businesses were so linked and because he wasn't a rich man, he didn't necessarily have to be a rich man, but that's when you were starting to play in rich. That's when football was becoming its own business and that's where Man United was. You're absolutely right. But what was mad was just before you carry on, it didn't take much to be able to go bing bing and he had the money to be able to do that. But what I was going to say was though, but Man United were like... They were prepared. They were a separate... What I'm saying is though, the people who owned Man United, obviously they were public then. There was a separate entity, so what you ate, what you had in your ass pocket at Man United didn't affect Man United. They were their own entity. They created their own money. Where's football clubs then? Where still the local businessman done well. But it was all related. So if you took a hit on your business, your football club was going to take a hit and that's what everything was still very much like then. They weren't even thinking about... The shop didn't come to like 95. We still had the pokey little shop and all these things and kid deals and all that. So if you took a hit on a business that you owned, then the club... So when DJ fucking Spuddles happened, then that went to DJ... If anyone ever happens, what one of the way signings or the fucking 90s was for everything? DJ fucking Spuddles. Where did he play? Nobody knows. DJ Campbell. From the other year. Yeah. So DJ Spuddles, so... DJ Spuddles. This is why education... They were fucking... They should have gone for nuggets. That was the big thing. Chicken nuggets were coming in and he was still on potatoes. I mean, alphabites had gone at the fucking market anyway. Who was taking on alphabites? Do you know what I mean? Or alphabites, whatever they were called. Who was taking on then? Kids could get fucking the dinner and arrange letters and lean to spell. What were you spell... What was DJ Spuddles? They were like little smiley faces. Like little smiley faces. Give a smiley face. Why don't you just call them smiley faces? I think that was already out. Are you sure? Yeah. So we called them DJ fucking Spuddles. Spuddles. Whatever. We basically rimmed the Johnsonair, the NBA DJ Spuddles and Clifford Finch. Send them boss players to other clubs. You bad shit. Hey. Go on, go there, it's good. Go and see Leeds. I mean, you all signed for them. Leeds have got nothing that we haven't. I've had them a lot of money. And a big massive fish tank in the car park. Paying £53 a week for the fish food. £52? We were paying about £19,000 a week for a giant fish tank with green, white and blue fish. Remember the fish food was £52? Oh no. Remember when they did the thing and it was like, how did this happen? And they were like, remember that kid you bought from fucking crew? Or Barbie? Barbie was the best. Seth Johnson. Seth Johnson, they paid £9 million for them and just went, Seth Johnson just walked in and they went, is your contact new? He told to be signing a contact for three grand a week to give him like 20 grand. And they were like, he was like, yeah, sign that. Even his agent said they'd be driving there. And he wanted nine grand a week. He said, well, that's for nine. He'll probably get seven. And when he got in, Redsdale come up and said, listen, I haven't got any time. I know you were like, you went to listen. There's the contract, 32 grand a week. Just on events. When the administrators come in afterwards and they were like, no, like obviously administrators go in, they were like, you've got to find where to cut money. And he was like, find where to cut money? I can find money everywhere to cut it. It was like the fish food, the fish tank, the club cars, everything was just like mental money. And it was all put on the back of the stadium that hadn't been built. It was like, it was amazing. It was absolutely amazing. But that's a different story for a different day. DJ fucking spuddles you fucking cunt. It was going so well. I think I'm allowed to say that. I think I'm allowed to throw one and he was a red as well. DJ spuddles, he was a red. He was a massive red. So that's the walker in a nutshell. And that's a sight. Wasn't a very good idea. None of the signings you can really debate about because none of them did anything. I mean, I'll say, you've set your park and some probably the best. I mean, I'd have amiccati. I've made up the signed angel amiccati. I love the angel amiccati. And he wasn't great. Don't get me on. But he scored some key goals first. That was what was good. But also, like you said, Duncan Ferguson went on and we all love him. So within it, there was a few good players that he got. But yeah, half and he's blind in one eye. We had him on loan in one eye. We had him on loan and we still bought him. Think about that. We had him on loan from like, he was mad, he was up front for self-image. They scored like 30 goals. They did. He absolutely tore it apart because we were linked with him a few times before we got him and we got him and he was just not fit. He just wasn't up to the Premier League, one of those. I remember I was young. I just wanted any shining. But I remember like seeing him in a game and I remember that he was playing up front but he ran all the way back to defence to help them out and I was just like amazed by it. I've got to shine just for that. I was like... To be fair to him, he gave everything he had. He just wasn't fit. And his only goal against Chelsea, he nearly missed. What's happening? He nearly missed it. Watch it again. He nearly missed it. Incredible. Incredible, Brett. Incredible days. Incredible. They almost go great. It's incredible. I don't know what though. It was an incredible time to be like, I know. Because football was so different in terms of... Like we just touched on about the World Cup. I think that World Cup was such a big thing. I know a lot of people think the World Cup in 1990 was like the first modern World Cup because of TV. But I think in 94, the fact England wasn't there, just opened your eye. It was dead-bright as well. Remember all the kids? All the Adidas kids. I think the reason I had them like that World Cup was... The fan was shite. Yeah, it was. Terrible, nil-nil. But the rest of them were real good. But I just remember it though. The reason... The fact that it was such... It was in America. So it was dead warm. It was dead bright. It was old. It was old enough. Old enough. Oh, I got for you carry on. Did you see that clip of him coming on for the legend? Yeah. He'll be deaf from West Abbey. He'll be fuming. I was on the fucking plane coming home from Paris and he was fucking red on the plane from Paris. To go to the game. To go to that game. Oh, my God. Anyway... Volts FC. Yeah. Anyway, yeah. But I did that World Cup. I think the fact that it was in America and it was so bright and Diana Ross missed the penalty was just amazing. And I think the kids... Like loads of the kids, loads of the Adidas kids are getting thingy old this year, aren't they? In the World Cup. Like loads of them with the three stripes and all that. I'm sweet. Remember Sweden? Like bright yellow and bright blue. And everything was like... Everything felt like it was just fucking coming out the screen. And as I said, you had Bulgaria. You had Sweden. You had Nigeria. Stoics class. Yeah, Stoics class. You had all these teams that you wouldn't have watched at any other time suddenly in your face because, well, there is no England. There is no Scotland. There's never Wales. OK, Ireland's day. But for the first time, don't forget for the first... Don't forget World Cup 90, Scotland. Ireland and England were there. 86, Northern Ireland were there. England were there. Scotland were there. 82, Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland, Scotland, England were there. So this was the first... This wasn't just like... It's just England. This was the first one. None of them had been there. Only the Republic of Ireland. So... And I played a game at the floor of the city, but in the day, no wonder Aldo was kicking off. It was about 110 degrees or something. It was. Remember, they showed the thing on the side. And it was like, you wouldn't let them bring them water. Water breaking. Water, no. And it was in America, so it was all the stuff it said anyway. It stopped then. But that just... Can't fly in as well. Yeah. But that, as I said, that just... That World Cup... Just opened the door. And we, in this country, they were waiting for the next thing. It was like going down a list, going... Right, who we got? Who we got? Well, there's Charles Brolin, there's Darlan, there's... You know, Stoichkoff, there's Lech... What was his name? Lechkoff. Lechkoff. There was all these players that you... That boss World Cup... It was a brilliant Advait, 94, for never buying a player. Full Muller, didn't he? He tried to get a Muller. He scored against the Republic of Ireland. But it was a brilliant... It was probably the best World Cup ever for not buying a player based on his World Cup performances. But it was just like tick, tick, tick, tick. And everyone, nearly everyone in the Premier League bought someone from that World Cup. He was like, yeah, he was great, he was great, he was great. It was mad, mad, mad. That happened again, you know, too, didn't it? It did. It was a full-birth, a lad's, your chief, and... Sally Jowell. It was a brilliant World Cup. You write out the final, let it down. But I think that stops when you're mad, when you think Battebub, when you think you're Brazil, with Neymarie, on Babito. Do you know who was amazing, innit? And it's so sad. Bajo was unbelievable. Bajo, one of our four games on his own. And it's just, but the defining images of him missing the penalty. But that was his World Cup. You go back and watch the highlight of that World Cup. That was his World Cup. And it's only because he misses the pen. It's ribbing. He was gone by the World Cup. But the semi and the quarter, he won on his own. The goals he scored were unbelievable. It was a little bit like, it's like going back to the last World Cup, right? Messi was unbelievable. But because they didn't win it, and he didn't have a very good final cut. People don't talk about it. He was unbelievable. He was amazing. He was amazing. He won games on his own. But people, you forget about it because he didn't have a good final. He didn't win it. And it's amazing the way that can happen. That halftime. People talk about it. It was like the Euro, it was gone Ronaldo, won it for Portugal, and all that. And then you think, we went off after 10 minutes of the final, and it was that fella that, the shifish ones, he actually won the game. Won it for them, but he did have a good thing about it. He did. It's the World Cup. It's weird. Just that final, that final would have been like a three-two. Everyone would have gone, oh my God, what a well cut. That was brilliant. Had it gone, it didn't score in the final 86? No. No, no, but he was absolutely amazing. And it would always be his well cut, but he didn't score in the final. Yeah. Because he won three-two. He won three-two. That's why you remember, and you go, oh my God. 98. It was amazing. So Dan wasn't actually doing that well. And then he got sent off. 98 was Ronaldo's. Was Ronaldo's? Ah, no. It was amazing in any other season. In any other season. And somehow managed to play in the final. And he was like, well, nice made the play. He was on the pitch. He was on the pitch. He ghosted him. He did, totally ghosted him. There you go. Have we gone to the bell? This is the world of our shows, though. We can just start talking about something and end up talking about something completely different. Let us know your thoughts in the comments on the Mike Walker era. The next one's going to be... We've just done it now. We're on Mike Walker. Well, this is why we're so... We've done nearly as long as he was ever. Man, it's a quote just on his evidence. Amazing. This is why these shows are so good. I don't mind saying that myself. These shows are so good because of our combined knowledge of absolute nonsense. DJs, people will be looking for DJs' product. And probably won't find any reference to... Any reference of it anywhere. Johnson Bainter. In Bainter. Let us know your thoughts in the comments. Do you agree on... Amacachi? I'm over Amacachi. Joe Parkey. Remember that? That's Johnson. He was always involved in that. He was a character of Bruxelles? Yeah, because what she was. Hang on, hang on. What she was. She was the thing so he could own both clubs. Oh, yeah. That's what he was. Don't forget he was supposed to sell to Sammy. And he never sold it. He never sold it. He never sold it. He just went back. He put the shares in A&E. That's what he did. Brilliant. He was a genius. Evil. Why did it not work? Thanks for watching. We'll see you later.