 Hello and welcome to MIP TV and as always we have the fabulous Bob Cook who is doing another book review And I believe this is book review nine Bob nine books. That's incredible, isn't it? Yeah so today's book is a little bit different to the books that we've looked at through the other videos mainly because the ones we've looked at in our other videos have been Books that have been out for a while books that have been Available for a long time some of them quite old books, you know historically But this book that we're going to look at today are you're going to talk about today is pretty brand-new and pretty up-to-date So put us out of our misery Bob. Which book is this? It's by Michael Navarino N e No, sorry N o v e double l i n o Michael Navarino and it's called the transactional analyst in action Stoke clinical seminars 2012 So what is it that's with this book that's caught your attention Bob? the psychodynamic focus Michael He really does look at the heritage of early transaction analysis. That's before Eric Byrne really formulated his ideas and focus of the strength of the adult eager state He goes back really to some of Byrne's earlier earlier thoughts uh when he was uh Much more interested this Eric Byrne in psychoanalysis psychodynamic psychotherapy um So he brings ta into the psychoanalytic world His chapters especially in the later part of this book um, it's Called the psycho dynamic approach So he does at the beginning of the book Go through the basic ideas of Eric Byrne and then talks about psychodynamic style of ta Yes, and of course Byrne was Byrne was taught by Eric Erickson wasn't he who did the stages of man And you know, I think as you as you've as you've alluded to in other interviews Um, you know Byrne started off with a you know, there was a CBT focus Within what Byrne was was doing. Yeah strength the adult eager state. Yeah strengthen the adult eager state so I'm getting from this and certainly from the charts we've had off camera that this book Marks the arc of of time that ta's existed It goes from the very early roots of ta and brings it up to date and ta's had quite a journey hasn't it through the years with the different schools and you know the the big I don't know if it was a big change But the relational aspects of it that came in About 10 years ago 2008 2008. Yeah, it's about 10 years. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, you're right. I mean Eric Byrne when he wrote his first book transaction analysis, which I reviewed it was the first book. Yes he I believe Started to go away in that book from his psychodynamic heritage from his psychoanalytical heritage and He saw ta as As I said before a focus on behavior and thinking change That's what I meant by strengthening the adult eager state He didn't talk much about using ta from a psychodynamic position Which was putting the history You know how it links to the past in other words Um didn't talk about going to the into the child eager state so much It was much more about how you strengthen the adult eager state rather than looking for cure in the unconscious And that's a different approach And you're right. We've gone through many different schools um in the last 60 years different styles of ta and this is You know a psychodynamic approach. Yes so What would you say to someone who's you know, say a student who's looking to spend their book money Or and build a library up. Why would you say it was important that this featured in their libraries? Oh, this is essential I mean it's a book that goes through the major concepts of ta so that's good in the start But the last couple of chapters he talks about how you use ta from a psychodynamic viewpoint And how you go into the unconscious processes And where cure is really in the past It's going back into it looking at the strivings the longings of the child eager state Rather than an emphasis on how you strengthen the adult eager state. Yeah. Yeah, so So a movement away from this kind of CBT approach of strengthening the adult To looking at the presenting past how the pastors affects the hearing now As yeah as a subconscious discussion of an investigation or an exploration of the subconscious Yeah, it's a different it's a different approach. Um As I said in the in the beginning of this book, he does go through the major concepts of ta so it's not It's not like we're discounting ta but he's talking about how Using transaction analysis from another style Which has really been as you've just suggested the history of transaction analysis People think eager states games and scripts. However, the how they use ta Is according to their readings and trainings. Absolutely bob. Well, it sounds like a wonderful book It's it's up to date. Well at least 2012 which In the in the world of counselling the psychotherapy books makes it positively yesterday, doesn't it? And And what we'll do is we'll put a slide up at the end so people can have a look at it We'll put a link in the link bar below so people can click On to the link and go to the site. Um, you know where the publisher is so they can examine it And and have a look and and as always bob a real pleasure interviewing you. So bob cook. Thank you very much Thank you. Well really yokes