 Ben Clark is a Clean Transportation Emissions Analyst with the BC Climate Action Secretariat. His main role is coordinating the community energy and emissions inventory. Mary Storzer is a senior planner with the Ministry of Community, Sport and Cultural Development. Since joining the Provisional Government, Mary has worked on numerous projects to support sustainability planning in BC. These include smart planning for communities, green communities performance measures, and community-scale GHG and energy modeling. Mary has been with the Ministry of CSCB since December 2006. Michael Wallinus is our third presenter, and he is developing a publicly available and user-friendly community energy and emissions forecasting model. Michael works with two Vancouver-based energy consulting firms, MK's Dockard and Associates, and Navia's Research. And then our last presenter is Dale Littlejohn, and he's the Executive Director of the Nonprofit Community Energy Foundation. Dale designs and oversees delivery of the BC Hydro C-E-E-P Quick Start Program. I'll pass it back to Derby to go over the poll score of the day. Great, thanks very much. And this is also our agenda for the day. See you in front of us, so starting with Ben, Michael, and Dale. So, and again, we will be trying to be time for some questions between each of the presentations. So I would just like to remind you that at any time you can use that Q&A button at the top of your screen to pose your questions, and we strongly encourage you to do so. So we do have some poll questions for you to start off. So I'll just put those up in front of you. So here they are. Here's the question. Have you or your local government used the 2007 Community Energy and Intermission Reports since they were posted in the spring of 2010? So please, you're welcome to vote on this for your particular situation. And I will post these so that you can see them as well, show the results to you. There, you should now be able to see the results. We seem to be consistent, fairly consistent there. We're just going to take a record of these. Okay, great. Thank you. And we do have one more question for you. So who is being the user of the report? So local government council board, local government staff members, consultants, or all of the above, and we realize it might be a little hard to hear if you're two of the three of the choices there. But please do your best with the selections that we have there. And take down the numbers for these in our graphic. We're going to talk about what to expect from the CEI in the future and how this need was identified for a cost-effective way for local governments to report and track their energy consumption and GHG emissions. The system available to all local governments was staffed to focus the resources on setting GHG reduction targets and related policies and actions. It was the first such initiative in North America at either the state or provincial level. And 80 local governments in B.C. have made a volunteer amendment act, also known as bill 27. The private protection program currently has 67 members in B.C. to include only those directly under the control of the local government feedback on how to improve the content and how to accompany the reports when they're released. We're actually quite a while at CEI reports going into the future. So specifically what we expect you'll be able to see in the 2012 reports. So there's components, I guess, that you'll see. The first is an improvement to the building's data. We've been working on a project, or we've been working on this, I should say, through a project called the TANDM project, which some of you may have heard that acronym. And the intent of that project basically is to align data, building data categories amongst the data providers that we have. So B.C. assessment data categories with B.C. Hydro, with Portis B.C., etc., etc., and as well to align those with NRCAN models energy data categories. The second intent of that project is to enable reporting at the neighborhood level. Is that something we've heard from you that you'd like to see as an improvement? And so as a result in the 2012 reports, we are hoping that we will be able to produce for you building data in two different ways. One is at the major building category level at the neighborhood scale. So by major building categories at this point, I mean residential, commercial, institutional, and industrial. And neighborhood scale is currently being, we're currently looking at census boundaries to define that, both tract and dissemination area, as well as looking at neighborhood planning boundaries that are currently being used by local governments where known. And then the second way we hope to be able to provide it to you is at the subcategory level, at the community scale, so a bit of a larger geographic scale, but then the finer grain in the actual categories. And what I mean when I say subcategory is, for example, within the commercial sector, you might see information on buildings that are retail strips, buildings that are big box, buildings that are other retail, etc., etc., and the list goes on now. Privacy is our main constraint here. The issues related to it will, that's what we're working within, but what we're trying to get is a little bit finer grain detail for you in two different ways. The second improvement that you'll see for the 2012 reports, and by that I mean the 2012 reports, those that will be coming out in 2013, not the 2010 reports that are coming out in 2012, is that we will have the updated data from the 2011 Census of Agriculture data. In addition, the third thing that you will see in there is this round of the 2010 reports that are about to be released will not see supporting indicators included. The reasons for that basically was delayed in order for us to be able to include census information, 2011 Census information, and as well to enable us to actually formalize our data collection procedures and align reporting years, because some of the data for those of you that are familiar with the supporting indicators, you saw 2009 data on supporting indicators in the 2007 reports. So we want to be able to try, we're trying to sort of formalize it so that it's going to be more useful and more streamlined and sort of a consistency that you can expect out of that. So you will be seeing in the 2012 reports updates to the 2007 indicators that we provided, so you see them there, housing type, community work, et cetera, et cetera. And as well we're working on data for new indicators to be included being approximately the transit, building energy intensity, and that goes back to the work we've been doing to join, like I was saying, VC assessment data with energy data as well, and floor space, waste diversion, and a mixed use of proximity to services indicator. I think that's all I want to say there. There's still work underway. We have additional supporting indicators and we haven't lost sight of those. We're working on those. And now I want to hand it over to Michael and Dale, who are going to take you through how they have used the CEI data in the tools and processes that they have been developing to assist local governments in greenhouse gas reduction and energy consumption reduction. But first, I think maybe we would take questions at this point. Am I right? Yes. Okay. Yeah, thanks very much. And I do encourage strongly our attendees to put their questions in in that Q&A off at the top there and we can address those and we do have one there now. And that question is, when you say 2012 reports, do you mean the 2010 data released in 2012 or 2012 data released in the future? That works that into my dialogue there, but basically yes. So what I was talking about was 2012 reports, i.e. that will be coming out in 2013 reporting on the 2012 year as opposed to what you're about to see, which is 2010 reports in 2012, which sort of goes back to my rationale around the supporting indicators in terms of trying to formalize and align our processes in order to limit the confusion. If you don't see any other questions there at this time, perhaps we'll move along. And again, I will encourage you to please put in your questions up top there. So, Michael, we'll turn it to you. Michael, if you could unmute your line and I'm putting the camera over to you now. Okay, I believe I've taken the mute off. Great, we can hear you. Excellent. Okay. My name is Michael Wallinitz and I'm here to talk to you about a project I've been involved with that's made use of the Community Energy and Emissions Inventory data. That project is the Sims Community Energy and Emissions Model. The model is an Energy and Greenhouse Gas Emissions forecasting tool. And you can use that for quantitative analysis as a part of the community energy and emissions planning process. The design of this model has it as a user-friendly and free-to-use program so that it can be used by local government, alleviating budget and time constraints associated with energy and emissions planning. As well, we've designed it to have a very quick setup that allows experimentation with a variety of different assumptions in order to facilitate ongoing analysis and planning. The development of this project has been a collaboration between two consulting firms, MK Jackerton Associates, as well as Navius Research, the Energy Materials Research Group at Simon Fraser University, and it was funded by the Pacific Institute for Climate Solutions. As well, we've had the support and input of members of the Sunshine Coast Regional District and the Regional District of Nanaimo. Now, I will briefly explain what the SIMS model is. Now, first of all, the name SIMS was once an acronym several decades ago that now no longer makes sense. At this point, SIMS is just a proper name for the modeling framework. What this modeling framework does is forecast the energy and emissions of a region from the present out to 2050 in five-year increments. So we can track how the energy consumption and emissions are developing through time. I provided a schematic showing a very basic portrayal of what the model does. On the assumption side, we need to tell the model what the energy price is, as well as sector activity we are assuming. And as an example of sector activity, that could be the number of households and the amount of residential floor space that requires energy for heating or appliances or what have you, or alternatively, it could be the amount of personal transportation, so how much people need to get around. This gets fed into the model, which has certain model characteristics that make it useful for forecasting energy and emissions. These include a detailed representation of the technologies as well as sectors that result in energy consumption and emissions. And this model is able to simulate the policy impact on the choice of technologies that people are using as they replace their worn-out. So if you, say, buy a new fridge because your old one is broken, what kind of fridge do you buy? If you're getting a new car because you've gotten rid of your old one, what kind of car are you getting? And it also shows the impact on technology use. So for example, how much heating is needed, and that's a factor of the kind of homes you're living in, the size of homes, the number of shared walls, and the energy efficiency of the building shelf. So these are the model characteristics that we're simulating. The results that come out of that are, as I said, a forecast of greenhouse gas emissions and energy consumption. Now to understand how this might fit in with community energy and emissions, I like to think of these factors, the energy and emissions associated with community, being driven by three interrelated components. The first is the demand for energy services. So this relates to things like economic growth, population growth, as well as the choices and technologies at play within the community. The other component is, of course, the technologies. So specifically, what are people using to provide their energy services? How are they getting around? How are they heating their homes and so on? And last, the energy and emissions of community also depend on urban forms. This is the structure of the community, how things relate to each other spatially. Now to show where SIMS fits into this, it is a specialist in simulating what kind of technologies people use within the region and what kind of demand for energy services. So both of those are simulated results, as well as based on a certain assumption of activity within each sector. So how many houses are there? How many commercial buildings are there? How much travel do people need? The third component isn't directly covered by SIMS. This would be urban form. However, you can use SIMS to explore the implications of changes to urban form relative to the other drivers. Now the question is, how can SIMS help at the community level? It can facilitate community energy and emissions planning by answering a number of questions. For example, what would greenhouse gas emissions be if we do nothing? What would be the impact of provincial policy on these emissions? What would be the impact of local policy? Is there overlap or interaction between different policies? And given the existing technologies and infrastructure, basically since we have our buildings and our cars and whole communities full of things that consume energy right now, how fast can we change? For the more SIMS facilitates ongoing planning, letting us answer questions such as what if the fundamental assumptions change? What if we want to explore a different population forecast or assume energy prices may be completely different from the earlier assumptions? It lets us answer targets such as what if emissions targets change? What if we want a more stringent or more relaxed target? And what if we change the strength and timing of the policies that are helping us meet these emissions targets? Now unfortunately, previous to this project, SIMS was a very complicated and not user-friendly program. So what we've done throughout this project is take that SIMS functionality and distill it into a user-friendly tool to forecast energy and emissions. Now this tool covers emissions from residential and commercial buildings, personal and freight transportation, as well as solid waste. As I mentioned earlier, the model was designed for a quick setup. It uses the community energy and emissions inventories. And with a click of a few buttons in a couple minutes, it can be automatically set to represent any given community covered by those inventories. It then forecasts energy and emissions driven by user inputs. And as I said, it's very easy to test new assumptions. It's simply entering a new forecast for say population or population growth, allowing to see what the effect of that is or on the other hand it could be energy consumption, any number of other user-defined assumptions. And then it allows the user to test the effect of several different policies. And it's very quick to experiment with different policy packages. Results from the SIMS community model include things such as energy consumption. For example, here we're seeing it by residential end use. We're seeing energy consumption in a theoretical community with a growing population in the residential sector broken down by appliances, space heating, water heating, and lighting. Similarly, we can also look at greenhouse gas emissions. And the example I've chosen here is broken down by the sectors covered by the SIMS community model. Again, we're seeing emissions from residential buildings, commercial buildings, personal transportation, freight transportation, and solid waste. And again, because these results are driven both by assumptions of how the community is growing, energy prices, as well as the technologies used within that community, you can see that you don't necessarily get linear trends. A good example of this, for example, is emissions from personal transportation. Declining over time as cars become more efficient and energy prices become higher than they historically have been. And basically on the results side, we're also able to show technology-specific data. And the example I've pulled out here are the share of residential buildings divided by their vintage. So how old they are and what kind of building shells. We can see old houses, essentially, pre-1963 to 2000, post-2000 standard construction. And as time goes on, we start to see a larger adoption of higher efficiency homes or higher efficiency or near net zero homes. Again, these are not assumed results, but they're simulated results based on the input into the model. Now I'll just take a moment and talk about the design of the model and highlight some of the features that we are striving for throughout the project. We wanted to create a model that's complex enough to be useful. So in other words, it creates a realistic portrayal of energy use and emissions in a community and how policies can affect these. So it's simple enough for anyone to use. And most importantly, the whole point of the project is to create a model and documentation that are free to use. So this can be picked up by anybody, anyone in local governments especially, and used for a variety of purposes, such as a standalone analysis, used as a comparison to a previous analysis, used as a source of assumptions for some other kind of analysis, or potentially even as an education tool, because it's a very interactive model. You can quickly see the effect of a variety of different assumptions and planning designs. Now I just want you to take a moment and link this back to the community energy and emissions inventory, which is the focus of this webinar. So these inventories provide a standard data set to the model. The model contains all of the inventories that exist, which means it can automatically represent any chosen community covered by those inventories with a click of a button in a couple of minutes for calibration. So in short, having these community energy and emissions inventories makes it possible to create a simple, useful and free-to-use model. So this is the end of the presentation. I'm just going to touch on the next step is to do as I'm doing right now, inform local governments and other people in the public and provide access to the tool. Right now we're nearing completion of its development, just working out some of the bugs and how it operates. In future, we're hoping from this project to learn about the potential for in-house tools, that being analytical tools, quantitative tools that quote-unquote non-experts can use. In other words, you don't need to constantly be going to consultants to explore the energy economy system or energy and emissions in your community. Ultimately we hope to apply this learning to the platform we've created. We've created a model that can be used by anyone, and as we get a better understanding of what people's needs are and what they want out of such a model, we hope to have an opportunity to go back through and continually improve what we've done. And lastly, hopefully this will expand the scope of user-friendly tools. As we see how this is successful or not successful, we may increase our knowledge of how we can provide analytical tools to people and to the local government. And lastly, if you would like... Back up one. Any updates or have questions on this project, please feel free to contact me. I've got my contact information below, as well as in the brief two-page description of the project that's contained in the handouts with this webinar. So Darby, I'm all done. I guess we can have questions and I'll pass it back to you. I'm Michael, and indeed it must have been a concise presentation, as we don't see to have any questions just at this point. So I would, again, encourage our attendees to use that Q&A button at the top from the toolbar on the top. Okay, great, people are jumping through it now. Some quick typers. Ron actually does have a question, and he's raised his hand. So what I'm actually going to do is I'm going to take the session off lecture mode. So please attend these. If you could all just mute your lines now so we don't have any feedback. So if you could please hit star six, mute your line, and hopefully we won't have any feedback. Yeah, I see actually Ron has actually typed in something in. Is the model, I should say, available for distribution? Michael? We're not ready just yet. We have a one sector demonstration model I can hand out. As I was saying, we've got the full model just about ready, but it's full of bugs that make it crash and follow up. I don't want to put that upon anyone yet, but you contact me. I can let you know as soon as it is ready and we'll be passing the model and its documentation out to anyone that wants to use it. Thanks, and we do have a couple more questions here and we see we have time for it now. So another question from Anne Matthewson. What was the time frame in developing this model? When did its development start and is this the first time local governments have been advised of a detail? This model was initially conceived about a year ago and development started in earnest last spring. This is the first very, I'd say, large-scale discussion of the model. So yeah, I would say this is the first time local governments have been advised of it in its details. As I said, we were working with members of the Sunshine Coast Regional District and the Nanaimo Regional District. They were providing support, answering my questions, helping me get the local government perspective on the number of issues that I was encountering. But we didn't want to open the development process up too large just to try and keep the process tractable. Great, we are getting quite a few questions here coming up. The next one here we have from Allison. And okay, so I had to step out, though may have missed it. Oh, that question may have been taken away from us. Oh, maybe that question was answered. And now to bounce around a little bit on here. So that was the time frame. So over to Donna's question. A question for a previous speaker. Will the new inventories for regional districts be separated by electoral areas? And we do have two more questions here and we are certainly still saving time for Dale yet. Funded the development and maintenance of this model. So we received funding from the Pacific Institute for Climate Solutions to develop this model. The maintenance into the future, that remains open. And the initial question to answer is, is this going to be useful to people? And that's what we're hoping to find out in the next little while. And assuming it is useful, we'll have to come up with some kind of a business model or funding model that we'll keep it out there. That being said, I'm quite excited by the work we've done. So to a certain extent, this thing is going to be taken care of by myself and some of my colleagues. But hopefully if we're looking at significant improvements or changes to the model, and it's something that there is a demand for, we'll be looking for ways of funding ongoing maintenance. That last question there is actually in regards to Dale, who's next up. So perhaps we'll turn things over to Dale. Thanks again, Michael. Dale, if you could unmute your line and... Thanks, Darby. And can you hear me? Yep, you can. Please, go ahead. Awesome. Well, thank you very much. I'm Dale Luljan, Executive Director of Community Energy Association. And I'll be talking today about VC Hydro's Community Energy and Emission Planning Quick Start Program and how that's leveraging the CEI data. The CEI data really makes something like this possible because the program is designed to go into smaller communities, communities under 20,000, in a very rapid cost-effective way. It's a very practical, in fact, relentlessly practical approach to reducing energy emissions across the community. And we're able to do this rapidly because we built the tools that take in the CEI data and also have the specific actions that local governments can take to reduce energy emissions currently. And I should note that this is one approach to modeling. You've heard from Mike about another approach for the larger communities, particularly as well as for ones that want to go into more depth. And modeling analysis, there's other models out there. Ron McDonald from Staten Tech is doing great work in this, as is Alex Boston from Golder and there's some other folks out there too. I'd also recommend that if you do have interest in this to watch out for some overviews of the models that are coming out. And I think Mary Storzer and Ted Sheldon are continuing to work on that as well as pulling the modeling community together in BC. So thanks to all those folks. For the BC Hydro-C Quick-Start Process, this again is a pre-process for local governments funded 100% by BC Hydro because Hydro recognizes that local governments in BC have a legal requirement of GHC reductions goals in their OCPs and regional growth strategies. And it also recognizes that fuel switching to electric baseboard heaters is a really, really bad thing and would like to help ensure that electricity is part of the energy and emissions conversation as well. So the process is actually pretty straightforward for local governments. You can go onto the website, sign up, arrange a date for a call and a webinar and make sure that we've got a webinar before and a full-day workshop with local government to ensure that everybody is prepared and that's as productive as possible. And we also try to ensure that there's some council representation at the workshop so that a staff move this forward interest at the council level and some understanding there as well to again help focus things on the implementation. So as I mentioned, we come into this with two key tools. One is community energy and emissions inventory for the local government. That tells us where you're at currently. And we also come in with the actions guide. There's about 40 or so specific actions that local government can take today within its current powers to influence energy and emissions across the community. That includes buildings and urban form and transportation, its fiscal initiatives, its policy and regulatory, additional things as well. So we describe each of those and provide approaches to estimating what you might be able to get out of those. So very much focus on what a local government can do. So we come in again, like I said, with community stats. Those form a basis for the future projections. We base the business as usual projections. Assuming that more people means generally more emissions. Assuming that you continue to grow as you have in the past. And we also look at the impact of provincial and federal policy. And that's where you do see a significant decrease over the short to medium term in transportation emissions because of local government fuel standard and tailpipe emissions standards. We also bring in some very specific process and saltation techniques to move you through this. What we ask for local governments to provide is the GHG targets that they've already developed. As well as to take a look at the population projection numbers and adjust those to ensure that they align with what they're currently using. We also ask for any previous studies or any local knowledge. So the green down here on the bottom of the slide shows what we come into the workshop with. The baseline, the business as usual projection year by year, fuel by fuel by sector into 2050. The gap between that and the targets as well we also estimate the overall community wide energy spending. Now this is often somewhere between $2,000 and $4,000 per person in a community. This represents a significant economic development opportunity if you can cause some savings in that and cause some of that money to be recirculated within the community. Based on this we can also identify some of the top measures that might be applicable for the unique circumstances of a particular local government. We've done this in high growth communities, in urban areas, in small communities that have a lot of seasonal population and that. And we do see that the content is really quite different, particularly not growing significantly than a lot of the urban-formed things that you can do that can often provide a big influence on emissions long term. Really, you only have so much to work with there if you don't have new development. So what comes out of the end of a very collaborative workshop with actions by year who's going to do it and some of the key steps for some of the actions. A draft community energy and emission plan and epiphanies, I'll get into those a little bit more in the slide or two. So this is an example of a high level overview with a fair bit of detail in there that we bring into the workshop. So one page snapshot of where things are currently at, person. So again, a community with a huge population spending a little under 1.5 million a year on energy. Down towards the bottom, we see the business as usual line to see a decrease mainly because of the impact of the provincial and federal policies. And we've got the targets and the gap that we spend the rest of the day looking at. We also have land in a community and this is fairly typical of a lot of small communities where the majority of the energy spend and energy use being on transportation fuel. Multi-community pilot, it shouldn't be sick unless it should be in Vermeer along with Kimberly and Golden that we got together in the East Coupes as part of the pilot. And Peachland, a number of communities. We've got a few more coming up and a couple of communities in CRD looking at this as well. So we're proving this but in very, very different circumstances whether it's resort communities they're not growing or shrinking. And across these a few key lessons have emerged focus on practical actions. We've actually delivered this program in communities that already have a community energy emission plan but staff weren't able to have practical actions to do like this quarter to meet the targets in that because it was so high level. So what we've done is we've come in with this process and developed a very specific work plan on what actions are going to happen who's responsible for them and if we have capacity. We also try to focus on the what more than the why because as we go through BC we're actually going to do a lot of that resistance states away because a lot of these actions just make a lot of sense to begin with in terms of livability in terms of saving the community money and in terms of just better quality of life overall. The other thing that we're seeing is it's important to work the map behind some of these actions. So I just have an action but in the afternoon of the full day workshop we try to unpack at least three or four specific actions going through a very structured logical process around estimating what the impacts could be and feel for people and also helps identify areas where perhaps we thought there was going to be a lot more impact on what actually is learning that we've that we've uncovered going through this as well as the fact that the CEI is absolutely critical for doing something like this because that allows us to go in with an inventory already there and when we have the 2010 and 2007 CEIs together that provides a nice trend line that we can use along with historical data on population growth to maintain some of the business's useful assumptions. So what does it feel like and look like? Well up in the top left we have a number of the documents that we bring in the one page overview the quick start guide that's available during the workshop the opportunities from DC Hydro. We go through this from CEI and DC Hydro and this is really a workshop this is an event of presentations this is Roll Up Our Slaves and let's figure out what we're doing where we collaboratively put together what actions we want to have in which years on a board that everybody can see and that we can adjust as we see resources and constraints and things like that. A lot of this is based on the unique character of a particular community this photo is from Armstrong where we did a community energy and it's a photo of a unique opportunities that emerge that become very local, very quick for example here working through some of the math where it's a facilitated exercise using a flip chart work through the math process and that structured thinking process so that they're better able to make decisions and projections going forward. So what do we end up out of the day with? That workshop that we co-create is a work plan that are filled in so we don't come in just with preprinted cards we also have some that you want to do because not all actions are appropriate for all communities so we help facilitate that process we put this into the model typically overnight business as usual which we saw before, targets and then a new line in the middle which is the plan. Now it's important to note that you don't necessarily the first time you go through this you don't necessarily have to have a full plan to get all the way to 2050 given that we're only in 2010 for every year to planning you need a plan for the next few years to get started putting on the right projectory and then revisiting this so we've got GHG emissions as well as per CAPTA emissions as usual and we can see what the differences are we also look at it by we've got responding to kilowatt hours for actions so electricity savings and we also look at what mobility fuels are going to cost 10 or 20 years but my guess is they're going to cost more than they do today local governments to adjust those in a very easy way so that can be changed to 2020 business as usual energy cost the energy cost based on actions in the plan so what we're seeing with this one is five million dollars the community within eight years for climate and energy they also make a lot of financial sense too the draft community energy and emissions plan that we developed for them will refine that their OCP so they embedded some of the specific actions coming out of that day into their OCP as a fairly strong statement of where they want to go more on some of the specific things they're interested in the OCP others like Armstrong their OCP which provides staff with something to go back to with current councils or future councils when they want to execute on these activities so again my name is Dale O'John Community Energy Association we're a non-profit society TIBC we go forward as local governments we'll open it up to questions Thanks very much Dan here quickly just to get some of us pointed towards the right tools here for the budget period I'll just bring it over to me here the video so yeah we would actually like to open things up to a discussion at this point so what I'll do is point your attention back to the feedback indicator in the top right hand corner of your screen you have the ability there if you didn't catch it off the top you just change the indicator from green to purple which is a question and the questions are up there you can also use the Q&A box as we have been doing so I see a few there already so you have two avenues to ask questions we are dependent on you we are to open this up to discussion to mute your lines so if you could all do that now please mute your lines at star 6 to unmute your line and please don't put your phone on hold as well and if you just queue up there you will need to unmute your line as you come up in the queue there so we'll try this now I'm going to take it off lecture mode and hopefully we'll have clear lines just a moment here the conference is no longer in lecture mode we do have a couple questions that are queued up here and I'll try and take them in order and it asks a question here and I believe it's for Dale and here's the question Dale Hydro is not a large emitter for our community natural gas is because we are a northern community does Fortis have a similar program question there but we just had two more queued up in the Q&A section so I'll go to them next here so the next for regional districts it seems that it might be more direct towards specific community as opposed to unincorporated rural areas has been designed primarily here so what resources models are available for communities that are larger than 20k we are I'm not sure it's here I just wanted to point out that here working to try to help local governments have access to these tools and there are quite a few out there if you just look at the second resource there what we're doing right now is on that site you'll find a number of case studies of some of the models that have been around for a bit and Dale's touched on a few of the people and in fact a few of the people are actually on the line right now that work with communities that have these models and so I would encourage you to go check out that site also Ted Sheldon Ministry of Environment they're working really hard and us assisting him in putting together an inventory of the known tools that are out there basically in BC working in BC and helping local governments and that should be available very shortly right now you know we don't have an inventory as such but the intent there is to tell you a little bit high level give you an overview of what the various tools are available to in BC and that would cover all scale all populations etc so check out the site now and there's even more information coming down the pipe I guess that's my main message Dale there's just one more that are being used in BC that aren't in one form or another doesn't take a wide variety of things into here in BC I see you've actually indicated a question in two Madis but would you like to start six and ask your question? Can you hear me? Yep we can I was just wondering if the quick start will be updated or how quickly it will be updated to reflect the 2010 CEI data Yeah thanks for that question Marlene we haven't been making some adjustments to what are pre-forwards if you could just speak very briefly to them and then Dale in the act refunded energy and emissions in its own operations as well as community wide one element that we're able to you know because there's this page we wanted to draw your attention to the list our ministry has put together both summary lists of actions taken as well as highlights as the corporate and community wide actions and you can actually search those actions by community size I believe as well as various types of actions categories of actions and like I said the distinction between the corporate actions and the community wide so I think it's really interesting and it could be very if you weren't aware of it and if you take a read through it it's quite inspiring and I think it can help people really get a sense of what their colleagues are doing across the province and then thus maybe give another spin on oh maybe we could try that or who I should phone them and see how's that working is that how's that how do we get started one of the main intents of those reports and those lists is that you go and search them Marlene thanks Dale you have your virtual hand raised would you basically I was just wondering if Mary could expand a little bit on the data that will be used from the 2011 Census of Agriculture that they're going to need to improve the 2012 CEI reports I'll have a very low voice because I'm going to pass it over to Ben here and this question is from and pay 20,000 population limits applied to the whole regional district or just to the unincorporated areas our regional district is more than 20,000 but unincorporated areas are all together equal less than 20,000 in the top right hand corner in the toolbar there is an icon up there that looks like three pieces of paper next to the camera icon and if you hover over it it should come up as a hand out a box and you just check mark the box next to the document you want and you're able to download it there so I strongly encourage all the attendees to do that to do that now that the slides the slides that you're looking at are there as well as some documents that Ben has as well as a piece that Michael also spoke to as well you do have another question here they should avail as a hand out or as a video recording so as I said it's it is available I should have also mentioned that we are recording this session today and we will be making this webinar available for the rural BC website as well as the Climate Action Toolkit government site does record the webinars as well so there will be two places that you'll be able to access it I will be sending out an e-mail advising all the attendees that registered once that is available include the supplementary materials and the slides as well so you tackle the questions that we do you have or are there any other questions an open call to questions now Ben did you want to pose any of the questions we have on the screen at all the feedback on the line if you aren't posing a question if you could just leave your line last call for a question and if we don't get anything we'll wrap things up these are the resources that we can teach you during the presentation so these are available here and as I said you can download these slides in the hand up section here I recommend you do so and also I'll be putting out an e-mail later on pointing towards the rural BC website and where these documents as well as the recording and supplementary materials will exist on the web so if you've registered you will receive that e-mail the contact information for our different presenters who have kindly made themselves available for your questions if you have any additional ones or think of any after the webinar and finally I would just strongly encourage these to respond to the survey that we'll be putting out you should be getting that in just a few more days and your feedback really helps us develop these webinars both the content and the technical features that much better and that's more hopefully rewarding experience for us all so for that thanks again to everyone