 probably we can even start and then we can wait for others to join later yeah definitely so I'm curious when did we what was the previous month or time period we used for Fedora Women's Day? Usually it was September or October because I think when we did it as a month it was September when it was a week it was October something like that but then we decided that it's better to have a month because it's easier for organizers to pick a day. I agree with that. What do we think about putting it in October just to give ourselves some more time? How about a range from October to November something like that? I think one month seems long enough. So I would say if we also need time to get the feedbacks from the people and so on so I think one month should be okay. Should we choose October? Yeah I was thinking of October as well because there are many conferences in September so probably October will be a bit better and also something that we were considering previous years it was when school would start so students wouldn't have exams and I remember that usually September was the time that they had exams and October was a bit better. Okay that's true there is open Suze in October open Suze and Libra office conference but that can be because it's one month and that can be something that we can either like do something with them. Yeah I think that the Fedora Women's Day it wouldn't from what I meant by understanding is it's like a two to three hour event right? Yes right so it wouldn't be like a whole conference and and then we could invite people from like the open Suze conference to come to our Fedora Women's Day as like a social thing maybe? Yeah definitely. Alright so I put in October and Justin was this mentioning mid-October is also Fedora 33 really so it's good for Fedora staff. It's a good time to do it or is it? I think should be okay. Making it harder because we might want to be doing release parties. Yeah and that's from like that's you know me as a mind-share, rest right? Bringing that point up. It's true people are interested in Fedora around them. Because we can like people what they can do is either like maybe combining them both to a release party and Fedora Women's Day. So sure so we can celebrate the release party at the Fedora Women's Day. I do think there's something that we said about keeping them at separate events and maybe this is just the community manager and me or something but I like the idea of having a higher number of events. So like if we you know us as Fedora community can say we've ran this many Fedora Women's Day this many release parties. It's a little bit it's a nicer story to tell about what we're doing and I also think like it would be nice if we did the Fedora Women's Day and then the release party like one after each other right? So if the release parties are already going to be happening in October we could do a thing where it's like Fedora Women's Day is the end of September beginning of October and we're getting people interested. So we're basically being like oh we're doing this Fedora Women's Day. It's an introduction for women to get like a sense of our community of feel and they get to know people a little bit and say hey come to these release parties. So it could be a nice Amita. Hi. Hello. How are you? I'm so glad to see you on camera. I'm okay how are you? We are doing fine. Nice. So I was thinking like the Fedora Women's Day could be a prep for the women that we're trying to bring in to get you know to feel more comfortable going to the release parties. So that's my thought if we did it either. I know we're like oh give us more time to do in September but maybe we need to look at the scope of the work to see if it's feasible for September. We are at the beginning of August. Justin. Hello. I'm still eating breakfast but I'm here. Yes so I'm thinking that I mean there are many people who want to do the release party right but for Fedora Women's Day this is the group who writes this particular event. So my idea is to focus on Fedora Women's Day first and then we can think of the release party if there is any benefit for that because if we concentrate more on the release party we might slip the women day event. I'm not sure now the team is bigger so if we have the bandwidth to accommodate both the event that would be great but the first focus should be the women's day. That's my opinion. Yeah definitely I think it was just a matter of timing like we don't want it to compete with the release parties and the release of the new Fedora and we also want to you know time it well so that it makes sense. So I'm in grievance with you I'm not worried about release parties to talk about for this but it's a matter of timing. So my thought was we just need to like understand the scope of the work to see if we could get it done before September. We could just say like the last two weeks of September are when the events can happen and somewhere around there we can work with with folks to do you know what they need to do. If we can choose the second half of September I think can be better for us just because like for now there are not many things that we need to do before but for example the resource bag that is needed for the organizers and some others they will need some time and I'm afraid that we need to rush a lot in case we do it for beginning of September but if we stay second half of September I think that's doable for us. It's a little bit more time frame to coordinate and everything. So looking at the calendar the weekend of like the 25th of September maybe through the weekend of the 11th are like the so basically putting three weekends on the calendar as options. So the period of the 26th through the 11th. Does that make sense? Yes I'm just checking that Justin was mentioning that maybe someone said that they need October. I'm sorry what was that? Justin in the chat was mentioning that in case we can also like if someone wants to do it in October right we can either include some days from October or we can say that is the one of special case. Generally if we do it in one one so we can specify that during this month we did these many federal women's day or that it is party across the globe so that makes more impact in terms of statistics when we share it. But yeah if there is a any special exception or to do it in one of October then we can consider that. Also are we changing any pattern I mean obviously we will be doing it virtual but are we changing any major rules which we used to follow for for the women's day earlier like getting the proposals and then approving them and so well the changes mostly it will be that now for example they just need to submit their request but it's not that they will ask for budget so it's not a big I don't know it doesn't need a lot of efforts from our side to say plus one or no because basically they will just say that here is the agenda that we have the dates and where it will be organized so I think it's less work from this part but mostly it's a bit more work on the global organizing team on having some clear metrics on having ready this tech on making sure that we would use hopping for example as a platform for the organizers and all this but I think now it's a bit more work on the global organizing in the beginning but on the local organizers it's not that it needs from our side a lot of approval because it's just the date and we will speak there and as we will be we were used to distribute the resource back I'm sure that that we can use still but do we want to make some changes to it considering the release the new release or what do you guys think I think it's good the the dates that Mario was mentioning to do it like before the release parties and then we can leave the time for release parties to happen I think you were meeting like should we update the resource pack with no info that's right on on the new releases um Justin I think we have a ticket is this for updating yes are we taking the meeting notes somewhere do we have the agenda document thank you so much I was bit late I'm sorry for that no worries my baby suddenly needs pasta and I was asking her from like from the one hour um before the start time of this meeting and she was not hungry and apparently exactly at the meeting time she needs needed pasta so can you imagine yes I can imagine definitely and that's why I just miss in person I am eating I'm reading I'm reading this um this ticket here um just sorry to interrupt but before that so can we so are we like set on having the duration from September 25th through October 11th yeah I think that's a good day okay and then we have let's say a week of buffers if someone wants to stretch it beyond that duration we can uh we can promote the dates that we have now and in case the organizer says that they really need another date we can be flexible but we can promote the dates that we have on the document all right okay so I'm a newbie yes what kind of like just looking at the next item on the agenda talking about the duration just makes me wonder like what is a normal agenda or what normally happens at a fedora woman's day well usually it starts I mean it depends usually we lift up to the organizers but we try to suggest to have a general presentation about fedora as a community and how people can be part of it and so on and then usually they have presentation about women in open source for example why we are organizing fedora women's day and then it's really up to the organizers what speakers they have they can be a bit more technical they can be more general but usually I mean it's not that we put any limit and also the duration because it was also feedback that we got from the participants last year the duration is not really up to us because some of them were saying that they needed longer and so on but it's really up to the organizers how many speakers they will find how hands-on they want to do it or no networking time because usually in the end they also calculate some networking time with attendees I think I might have a rough estimate as to the duration so like looking back at the previous feedback given for 2019 for okay so my FWD was two hours long and the feedback was that it's too long and I think there was an FWD at Orangabad I think Amitha took it if I'm not wrong and they said that they needed a little more time or maybe it was Bhubaneshwar somewhere so if Amitha you could tell us how long yours when so we could have a rough idea as to what's the yes so we coordinated with the faculties earlier before the event day and we collected the expectation from the students that what they want how how they want and which topics they want to hear more about so we noted that down we worked on the slides and presentations so we started the coordination much earlier than the event date with the faculties of that college which we visited on the day of the event so that's why it went a little bit smoother and and the duration was like we reached their later in the morning 11 am and then we finished it like by 3 and 4 in the afternoon so what happens is when you start talking you you you prepare the slide deck of half an hour or 45 minutes but then the interaction happens people start asking questions and that is the most important part I think so we never try to you know rush through the presentation which we have prepared in fact we indulge more in the interaction part and sometimes we deviate from the slides we have prepared we we don't go there in fact the conversation is going in some other direction so so we follow the path in that direction so that is how it went so I'm sorry it's not the exact answer to the question you asked but this is I think yeah I think so something that I took away from that is that if the event is interactive enough they won't feel it's long right exactly exactly and which was also in the feedback that some events weren't as interactive as they should have been so that's why maybe they were feeling long right so never try to finish the content you have prepared just try to go with the flow because you need to make that connection and bond with the audience so that they be they feel connected and they feel confident enough about the event so yeah that what happened that was happened in the last bit of a mistake are you on mute or saying something I'm on mute do we have a link to the resource pack yes yes it is also at the agenda I think okay here it is I see link found it thanks guys yeah I just want to review this format but we should update it definitely because it's a big problem I put it in the chat just in case so for duration we could just say that whatever duration you feel is up to the your local measure but be ready to keep it interactive so I had an idea as part of the resource pack something we could add in there would be like example sessions so it could be anything from like you know social time to people giving presentations about a specific topic to maybe like some interactive games like I don't know if anyone here got to go to the bingo or the pub quiz but those were actually really fun we could do like we could do like slideshow karaoke like we could give people examples of things that they could do during the event and add that into the resource pack what do you guys think of that idea I mean it depends on which where which part of the country you belong to people I'm not sure how many people are aware of which games I mean the resources we would be like here yeah how to do this and their net specifically in India the kind of colleges we were going they are very I mean what to say very small villages or very small remote areas we used to go in where people have very less bandwidth you know and network is flaky so this idea is great for where the people have good bandwidth and they are used to of these games but I'm not sure if it works well here right well I mean I think the idea is to give inspiration and we could give inspiration that directly would work for those for that crowd of people right so what work what what do you think works well for that demographic we can totally include that into the it's like ideas it's not that having them there means you have to do them it's more of a here's inspiration because I think that this is a new thing for people and they might have a hard time imagining like what am I going to do virtually for three hours right so this is inspiration for people they don't have to follow something particular so again I'm curious what kind of examples like what do you think would be most well suited to the demographic you're working with I'm curious if you have any ideas yeah picture me I'm aware of that I'm not sure how many college I mean nowadays they are very advanced I'm not sure if a Google survey or in advance will help it at certain places to know what exactly they want we heard it many times from the faculties but asking directly from the students by sending them survey might be a good option as well all right so I'm actually going down to like what point it is it's under global organizing team responsibilities I realize I just jumped ahead on the agenda so I'm just putting that here provide ideas and inspirations for what to do during virtual events and then we can go back to the agenda sorry for all right that's cool yeah yeah so I think the main question when we when Jonah and I were making this agenda was that when we talk about a global FWT organizing team so are we saying that there's going to be one global event and or is it going to be one global event where we coordinate with other open source communities like how Justin is trying to get genome on board or is it going to be that whatever I just said plus we'll have local organizers doing their own mini watch Fedora Women's Day virtually like it has been happening so because then if it's if it's not the third option then we don't have to take the headache of having you know calling for speakers for local events so I want to put one point out here that happened is not hard to use or to set things up but it definitely takes time now for MEST obviously it's like a three-day event with like 50 something sessions like it won't be that but I think what I would want to do is train a couple people on how to use it on the DNI like you know out of the organizers for Fedora Women's Day so we can kind of share setting them up if we do multiple events you have to think about okay like you know we're going to have to set each one of these up I don't think that we can actually like we'll outline all the information that we need from the organizer of the local event but we're still the ones I think we're going to need to navigate this system and it's primarily going to be me and once I train you guys like hopefully you know so there is this workflow that we have to think about there is also if we did it as one like long event right the thing we need to think about for that is that HAPN has a maximum of 72 hours at four events now you can you can do as many events right but each registration does have a cost so that that is like part of our budget but it's not a high cost it's like anywhere from like two to six dollars I don't know exactly what ours will be I will get back to you guys with that but there's that cost to think about so if we did do like say we did a three hour of sorry a three-day event over one of the prime weekends and we did sessions in that event for each one of the local Fedora winners day and then if folks had one outside of that three-day event we could just set up many ones for just them and their local you know and if other people can join obviously totally welcome but we could try to reduce the amount of registrations by putting it in a three-day period that's that would be a cost efficiency option which is definitely something we should think about yeah that should have been the first question before the duration maybe we can do even something with the dates I don't know because what I'm thinking of if we make like the three days how we will also make it easier for people to find at which one they should register and so on well this is the thing if it's a three-day event they just have to register for the one event right and then there's a schedule and you can like it's not it's honestly not very intuitive and this is some feedback I'm going to give Hopin but there is a button where you can add it to your calendar so the idea would be like you're not registering you don't know you don't have to worry about which one to register for you register for the Fedora women's day and then you go to the session that you want to go to and we could also do things like we have here like testing the audio video hallway tracks that kind of thing so people can hang out in between and we could do you know like I mean it could be spaced out but I think it's really going to be dependent on the organizers and what they can do right and oh go ahead no sure I mean after you just that it would be good it's actually nice that we're all kind of in different time zones because I would say that we're probably not going to give admin access to vocal um organizers so someone probably does need to be like around for at least some of the time and have like a good way for people to communicate to us if there are issues luckily after using it for Nest I don't foresee there is a cap on admin seats in Hopin Justin it so the other thing is once we get to our own account which I don't know if you guys know the story but like Ospo is working on getting an account for Ospo within Red Hat and the contract ended up taking really long so we're working with the Apache Foundation on their account because of you know things going through procurement so anyway once we have that other account it will be an account that we're sharing with Ospo that being said I can fully make them aware okay we're doing this Fedora Women's Day event and we'll have as many spots available um as in the admin admin slots available right so I think I need to see how Ospo manage their contracts because adding additional sponsor seats does cost money and it adds money to each register registration so that's kind of not a detail that I was involved in negotiating so the minimum low is 10 at a time the thing about sharing it with Ospo is there might be people with an Ospo who need to be having access to that right and changing it is not as easy as turning on a button or flipping a button for us we have to be in touch with Hopin so that they can change the slots so there is some amount of coordination behind the scenes for that I did not I was not about to make this a hop it how to hop in work out right now but it's good to know it's good to know when they will give an answer when Ospo will have their account it's one I'm hoping within the next couple weeks I mean this is a process I was working on for a while and we kind of thought it would be quick but not quick very long and actually only got access to set start setting things up and even figure out like how it works like three weeks ago so like the last week has been so intense getting everything set up but now I'm like you know on my way to expert so it's good so anyway we'll think that it'll be good it'll be nice to have admins um geographically distributed because then we don't want somebody to be awake in us while there is an event going on in APEC region because we see the time it's a daylight difference I'm not sure in Ospo if we have anybody from APEC region we need to we need to check that and we need to coordinate with Ospo that or they they should make sure well this is the thing so I want to get you like so I want to train people here on this team to use it I'm okay with like I have trust I know you guys um to use this platform so I'm talking about uh local organizers that are not us someone having some major sound feedback not sure who it is okay that's better okay so right so I do want to train you guys so like Amita you are in the APEC region you could be the contact you could be the person who's in Hopin as an admin for that event right I'm in yes yes exactly I'm in you know east coast time Yonah's probably central eastern our Europe from our time yeah you have to sleep first so we're covering quite a few right now and like Justin obviously we got B we got Niharika like we got plenty of us but I think like we could do something like this where we just jump on a call and we got time zone um I call and I can walk through a lot of the stuff with you it's pretty intuitive there's some parts that are not so intuitive but I just whatever Hopin will get there it's actually a very new company it's only like four or five months old or something like that but I think feel like this is the best platform I've used so far so for a virtual conference what do you think yeah it's very good it's working I mean it's very impressive I see the poles and boots and social and everything it's impressive maybe for my next watcher I mean for the QE one which got cancelled open test phone maybe I'll try something similar or maybe this one so doing a three day event with sessions for different time zones and so also the option one and option two what do people think about that I think the first one should well I was thinking we could do both like this is the option for people to be a part of like you have this option or you have that option oh sorry if I interrupted somebody then you had people saying something so for the second option I don't think it's even needed to have this thing that you can that you to do it on Hopin's if let's say they're not able to participate in our three day event then local organizers just could set up their own I don't know maybe google meet or whatever platform they prefer I mean it's flexible on everyone's side then let's say for some reason they couldn't get themselves to organize it in that three day slot that we gave them because right now we were opting for maybe a week or two weeks of duration for some reason if it doesn't happen then they can always go with whatever platform they want yeah I think that's good your voice is and it reduces I could not get properly what what she's just said okay sorry sorry so I said that if we opt for option two as an alternative then the local organizers don't need Hopin's as a platform they can always go for their own preferred platform maybe a zoom call or google meet and conduct it at their own leisure or whenever it is suitable for them only one thing that we were speaking also today at come off session it was that it might be a bit easier to use Hopin to know how many people will get and follow up with them because this was something that we were liking of previously like we couldn't like here we can use the polls for example and so on but previously it was very hard to know how many people attended that's a really good point Yana also is recorded here just automatically if you set it up that way so that's another good point yeah I'm torn but you know some people might just want to do their own thing like Justin mentioned in the comments you know some people prefer to organize things their own way so I think like I this is the feeling say we can do 20 for door women's days sessions or events or however we want to look at it I think we could get at least half of them to say land on that weekend right I mean like where's where are people going what are people doing right now I don't I mean honestly it's in uh September whatever we'll choose a weekend I guess but I mean people really aren't going that far and if we've chosen um the weekend in advance we can properly advertise what's happening and get you know so people aren't making plans for that weekend plans I don't know what plans are anymore but yeah so I had a question in the 3-day event will we also target that having that collaboration with genome or is that going to be a separate event later yeah actually this was something that when we had the coordination with the neary kindness here I think uh we were thinking that maybe a part of local ones we can have even one global that we can organize it in collaboration with other communities like GNOME is one of them but maybe we can ask even others like I don't know Iblofis, Opensusa and others I think they would be very open to um to work on it and to do something together because something that we were thinking maybe even Justin I'm not sure if he can uh join is that I'm not sure like how exactly would be the collaboration with GNOME if they will collaborate like in local ones but that depends like how many local ones it will be and so on or it will make more sense to have like one global one okay so in that yeah Justin is suggesting Linux Women's Day maybe next year in person uh I just made some notes on on the agenda options for local organizers uh for me it will be great to have the speakers from other uh communities and countries because uh Niharika can um you know can give her feedback on this but students here are very fascinated by by the speakers from other countries and they get impressed when uh people like just I talk a lot I always talk about Justin whenever I go to any event I show his picture I tell his age I tell what whatever he does so that this impress them a lot so it'll be great if we we get such speakers and uh they they get inspired they listen to these stories people connect to the stories more than the than anything else so yes it's a brilliant idea to have all the sessions uh do we think we could move on to the next agenda point yeah yeah just wanted to add that uh because Regina asked if this is the first time there is a collaboration actually even previously maybe not officially but we organized the Federa Women's Day in Munich and it was together with the Marina that was representing Gibraltar is then so I had a hard time hearing you sorry I mean how I muted you momentarily but can you say that again Yona uh I was saying that uh previously uh be did uh Federa Women's Day in Munich it was together with Marina uh he represents Susanne Gibralt his community like this was kind of a collaboration that we did but it was like just in the small scale let's say in a small in one of the Federa Women's Day to organize yeah and I just want to say we also had one another speaker with uh from the Mozilla as well it was like a collaboration between all three different things it was not just about joining the Federa community as like as a contributor but overall about the open source one but I didn't really so I just reached out to them like because they were in my network before I didn't really like talk to the communities about having a whole plan on how to collaborate and I think we can we can ask I like that idea Justin no no you are unmuted right now but I think I'm not being unmuted I Maria you muted me I did because there's people there's a lot of noise in the background and I said that I did you never told me that Ben you're gonna unmute me okay just a one quick suggestion that's okay one quick suggestion that about uh what we just said uh because she was connected already there was uh somebody was on her network that that's how she was able to pull in that speaker in the Federa Women's Day can we send these emails asking that if if somebody knows already uh people from uh other communities in Federa Circle so they can we and they can help us invite them in this Federa Women's Day to deliver a session like from Ghanom we already have the connections other communities some other open source communities I can invite people from the office community as well and I'm sure that they they can help but yeah it will just depend uh how many uh local ones we will have and when they will have the chance to jump in and help but I like Justin's idea that we can just have a CFP and then people can just propose like talks or if they want to be an organizer they can just propose that there so we can also share that link over to different mailing lists sorry no worries absolutely no worries um and I kind of forgot what I was gonna say nobody's question oh I was gonna say yeah well I was also going to say that for the CFP I think it's going to be a little bit more of us explicitly inviting people that we know we want to talk I think I mean some people there'll be a few motivated individuals but I think like the local organizer should be thinking of people that would that can talk to their local community right yeah so it's not necessarily that we're just expecting a bunch of things to come in per se but yes a CFP would be a good way to do it um I yes yes they do so and then I think that for Ashlyn's question I think that it's maybe a bigger conversation so I think what we should do with this is add it into our notes and say that we need to explain or clarify a little bit the roles of what we are you know as the DNI team are doing with Fedora Wednesday and then what the what we expect of like a local organizer what we expect what uh you know what they'll need or etc etc from a local organizer I think outlining that is important so I'm just copying her um the comment here and I'm putting it in the notes I'm not sure where at the bottom live notes okay so I don't want to try to just point out that we should stick to this we should try to stick to our agenda at the scratch goals um under the call for there are women's organizers because there is the article that Nassim wrote that we can specify there like what is the difference between the global organizers and local um okay so shall I just point out the next agenda point uh right so over here like I'm going into global organizing team responsibilities the first point feedback from organizers I think from point a b c b they're all kind of uh they've been discussed and I mean if someone wants to point out anything else apart from these four points then they can I have I have a question yeah people wanted less pictures no they wanted more pictures so that's not clear more picture less text so I think what you want to say is more pictures yeah so usually what people end up doing is let's say they have a slide and they have maybe three bullet points and a supporting picture and those bullet points have text and they're like whole sentences we want to do and then what they end up doing is they I mean maybe because it's lack of them speaking at events or for whatever reason they end up speaking just looking at the entire slide and reading it through instead they could just talk around their slide and have an outline of text so that it is kind of becoming more interactive I guess I think that's a great suggestion but also it depends on the speaker uh because like you can give it as a suggestion to the speaker but it depends how is the way how they present yeah yeah sure I mean that was something that we were just thinking about but maybe we can keep this in mind especially in the general slides that we wanted to hate just in that we wanted to do yeah we should take a picture click right now we have yeah just few minutes I need to prepare to learn for the family so if anybody else who is there in the session please join us and please switch on your camera ripple come on say what do you want to want to turn it off after yeah just we have two more spots yeah yeah yeah jump in okay I'll do the print screen wait on three am I looking okay yes so smile one two three done thank you thanks everybody I have to I'll stay one I'll stay for five ten minutes yeah so I kind of wanted to see the fast go thing but I also feel like maybe I should stay here this this might need my attention more than that I'll probably watch that later huh yeah okay a lot of nerds talking nerd all right I'm gonna take a quick bath and break do you want to take like a five minute break actually yes then I take a little shower I would say maybe it's 17 to meet again it's not that much time I know but we have a lot of points to get how about how about we take five so we'll give five minutes for everyone to do whatever they got to do so five after the hour does that sound good by Regina how many people are present right now like one two I'm hoping just to those and there are people on the chat as well yeah there's there were we earlier we had 18 people now we have nine people it looks like I'm gonna go ahead and jump off just for a little bit we'll be back in five minutes and then we'll work the rest of the agenda okay it's like yeah Jonah I think we kind of over you know overestimated time management goes bad you don't do it go like this but it's fine I think Regina said I like to have information before the next meeting about the collaboration or the date Regina I think you can come you can come on this you can ask to share your video and text if you want okay yeah we can have even a call maybe next week so we can speak again okay she said she has questions about collaboration yeah okay thank you so what we can do after we finish when everyone comes back and we get back to the agenda if we don't finish all the things we can have a call for with the people that want to to help so yeah like just going back to the agenda list if you go to the first point in sorry the f sub point improve feedback form I think we can do that later yeah you can just put that in a ticket and then discuss it there yeah it's bad and the second we kind of discussed about it so maybe we can get to the third point yep and third one hello so I'm partially still at the chorus one so I'm going to be here for the time now my demonstration is done there so I'm going for a stage and Jonah what about point three metrics generation for the event yes we will speak about this we can wait also for Justin to come back because he can mention because this topic was discussed yesterday at the come off session yeah I saw that okay yeah I'm just like sorting out whatever needs to be done right now yeah I think this one is just a bit because they already spoke about it yesterday okay and what about this fourth organizers resource pack we can I'm not sure if it's here but the document that Justin also had I think we can go through that I will add the link there because I forgot that we had this yes I think we should go to point six what do you think about that point six yet ah yes yes because we're ready I think yeah yeah Marie I think we need your help with point number six okay hold on one second putting in the for the metrics one I just put in a link there okay um point six yes so happen as a tool yes um so for swag delivery this is something that is definitely tough right now I have put together I've hatched a plan and I've gathered all the swag to do a swag bag for nest so I guess I can report back on how it goes but the problem is shipping things from one country to a different country there's just a lot going on right now for that um I think maybe we could do so I'm looking down another avenue with swag with Osco in general because this is something that multiple community managers are coming up against so we're trying to think of a process that will be um a little bit easier on everyone oh my god it's a dog hi so a little bit easier on us as community managers not having to manage all the requests and then a little bit easier because we've been asking our fulfillment team to help us with this but they'll you know this is like a new you know it would be a totally kind of new responsibility for them to take on and they're not necessarily having that capacity so something we've used in the past and something we use at red hat is something called the cool stuff store so basically me with the cool stuff store it could work that they would do the shipping for us and we could give people credits for the cool stuff store so I do like virtual handovers that's an awesome idea too we should put that in the dock um virtual so I don't know the process for the cool stuff store has not been finalized like most things it will take some time to get it going um right credits at the red hat summit right so we could do something like that where we're giving people credits and then someone else is dealing with the shipping and the you know all of that stuff and then we just pay the costs for that right yeah so that is an idea that's in the pipeline don't know if it'll be ready for the door women's day but if it was this would be a good option for us okay so like a question that Jonah and I had was that would we be doing swaps for only the organizers or for the participants that will come to the local organizer events um because usually previously we had around 100 dollars per event the budget that we used to calculate did we send them swag as well or no but usually it was we just ended stickers spent like the usual right um well I honestly don't think that people are going to need much of budget so like for example if we did the three-day fedora women's day event and then um we got the registering emails uh from registrations we would send them like a one-time link or like uh here's your credit and then um you know like everyone could have you know be yet have enough to get like a sticker and a bag or something like that right yeah hold on yes well the thing about the cool stuff store is that they will like we can either give them designs and tell them what to be printing and selling to people or they can take uh merchandise on consignment so stuff that we already have we can give to them and then I mean that's a bunch of paperwork and stuff for me to deal with not you guys but like that's kind of how that would work so whatever we had we could put up there and it would kind of solve some problems we used to have a design for fedora women's day I think we had it for t-shirts but we never managed to print it so maybe we can use that design for so the one thing to think about with t-shirts is that they are a bit bulkier and we would definitely so okay another point about cool stuff store we would tell we would give them a design and say print this many of them we have to buy that merchandise back if it doesn't get sold so either way we're buying it when you're thinking about it's not something that's print on demand per item right so if we're buying all that we have to actually come up with like how many extra large shirts or double XL or do we want women's cut do we not so that's one of the reasons why I've avoided t-shirts for nests actually you guys want to see what I got printed what about virtual handovers Alexandra was talking about I'm very curious now what Mary will show us Justin it was kind of slower I think that the design I don't remember for exactly so I guess my point was I don't think that t-shirts are a good idea for for the way that we're doing shipping and stuff like that right now so this is that it doesn't have this print on it that I printed a bag like this for nest and it has the nest logo and on the other side it just says best so I mean this is something that anyone can find useful to put I mean we can find different stuff like this that's not as bulky as a t-shirt and also doesn't have the same one size fits all kind of thing right I'd say we could do something like a scarf because I think like people already have a lot of t-shirts because of conferences maybe we can try to see what something else we can do but I I'm not sure I don't remember the exact design where it is I will try to find it later if we can use it so for virtual handovers what did we what kind of stuff what kind of ideas that we have I mean Alexandra pointed out about t-shirts printing t-shirt patterns for themselves print yourself a thing so basically we could give like designs away and this might be a tangent but I remember in the ambassador world for a time we had like a page for at least for North America with all the shippers that we would have worked with to do great deals for fedora stuff that could be also a way for folks to kind of work together with us like I think it was one of the really unique decentralized kind of things that we've had in fedora um I don't know I just always think about that would be one way of like working with local partners in those places um regional partners to help facilitate both both order reduction price reductions and yeah right so something that we're doing like so for math for example I have like have all the stuff being sent to Raleigh and you know we'll figure out how many of the swag bags need to be sent for the folks in the U.S. versus this region versus that region and they're going to be both sent from our fulfillment center to those other places for example we'll send a bunch of stuff to Bernal office and they'll deal with the shipping in the european area right right now it is a little bit more difficult to get things into India that's just a fact of how things are right now so we we would like to do the same thing with sending stuff to the punay or Bangalore office whichever one has more um capacity to help with that so and then the there's the one-off kind of thing alexandra what did you have to say I just wanted to comment on that particular issue with uh designers saying that uh they cannot share designs because they will look different on different printers so it's totally impossible I think uh we had this conversation like five four six years ago and I think oh I would like redo this conversation again because I think it's a wrong attitude to these things so people who want swag they don't need a 100 ideal pantone compatible thing which will be like absolutely identical to what original designer thought they want some swag for fun and and uh when designers block the whole initiative we really like not helping when after that conversation what why did personally I just went to fedora vicky took the SVG with fedora's plush image and went to my local store and printed the t-shirt and it definitely it wasn't the exact fedora color that designer wanted but it was blue on white on black and it was awesome t-shirt I was like I used it for two years on every event I went so I'm totally like glad that I made it but I did it against the design fedora designer team because we said oh no it's not going to be this cmyk we don't know where he printed like I don't care I just need you know a certain simple enough design to share yeah that's just a comment from previous experience I appreciate that comment Alexandra because I think that because the resources are available and we have people who are um crafty or like thinking thoughtfully enough to kind of just do things on their own fine I'm not going to go down and hunt those people down be like what are you doing with the trademark but what I don't propose is that we promote that what I I propose is that we promote like okay so you want to get swag sent to your uh your instead of getting a sense of fulfillment center I still want to pay for that for you I still would like to get it printed properly so instead of you taking the file I put the order in online and I have it shipped directly to you I mean that's that's another version another way that gets the swag into the hands of the contributor and then for people who are um kind of uh what's the word crafty enough to know their capabilities uh I understand I understand your point but it feels for me that we're like losing a lot of fun stuff we could make like like imagine people doing their fun drawings uh like a lot of trademarks trademark stuff it's it's like a parody stuff or I don't know where should be a name for this so if I'm doing bracelet uh and I add some fedora logo on it like should I ask you to do this for me or is it my stuff which I'm going like I don't have it right now yet but uh like if I do such a thing sitting at home doing nothing else but so we need a certain level like I'm what if we for example make it easier to approve the design and say I want to this picture are you okay with this and and I go but I don't want to wait for you to order for me the thing which I may be just making at all this is a great conversation for the design team um so I just don't want to get this conversation too far off track um for the fedora women's day I think it's the the issue of people feeling like they can't get designs for what they need is a valid one and I think it's definitely a good conversation to have there is a IRC that you could go there's a ticket repo but so as far as it uh relates to fedora women's day I think that we have some really cool graphics already for fedora women's group and we can elaborate off of those um to create some resources now I'm not sure where exactly you're talking about virtual handovers right um so we could do something cool like we've released something at the fedora women's day like a set of stickers for telegram you know you can make your own sticker telegram sticker pack yeah people who have done a few already with fedora so right so we can do something like that like this is the cool thing that's coming out for fedora women's day and it could be like some stylized diverse set of ladies you know emoting different things right um just one idea of something cool that people might find interactive and keep them thinking about uh the event long after it's happened um anyway is anyone else have things I've been talking yeah I don't have any ideas new ideas now but I think we can check it later again like yeah maybe for the short term we can try it we can check back in after nest on how the shipment swag shipments go on that and we can just fault come on right I just had another idea Ashlyn has an idea of Facebook profile cover images which sounds cool another one I was thinking of was oh gosh it's just right out of my head hold on you want to just add over this I'm adding it in now oh I was thinking like what about like phone wallpapers um that would be interesting right like we could we could ask the design team to adapt some of the wallpapers um to phone backgrounds who would use that all right fedora wallpapers they're so cool right uh that could be a cool idea so is anybody another um thing that we could do separately I don't know what countries this is available in hold on one second but if you're aware of red bubble yeah um is that available in Europe I think yes I ordered something and how about a pack is it red bubble yes how about a pack also I'm just going to take a second to shamelessly self-promote just trying to see if I can buy something I mean yes it does show it's just that everything is in dollars probably in there will be a problem with shipping because of the restrictions all right sorry got that guys all right so here's this red bubble link this is my shop for my artwork but um the cool thing about this is you can go in and design different types of things so like here there's iPhone cases which one posters bags so you do have to spend a little bit of time designing each item but we could just include like a couple and we can set it so that we're not making any um profit off of it and we could potentially give people credit to the store as well and this would be a way to do it on our own I just don't know the availability of this globally and also like we can give credits to people so they can buy it and shipping to them right so uh Tatica the idea is for us to have to do less work as far as shipping and coordination of shipping that's why we're talking about third party you know per non-demand options and swag options that are not us doing the shipments because it's just not as dependable right now and it's a bit more expensive but I'd rather I'd rather have some kind of option so with red bubble there's all kinds of products like we could do you know for fedora women's day we could have a cup and a mask I'm sure we've found uh some regional fabrics that can help with that so the shipments are not that far away so you have something that can cover south america and something that can cover central america and something that can cover north america e-rubination so that's kind of what I'm trying to do for nest oh so now that is what I'm trying to that is what I'm doing for nest and I'm doing that through the oslo fulfillment team right but the thing is I I'm going to be the one who has to coordinate that and I don't want to coordinate with local vendors across the world what I want to do is have to coordinate with one place and that would be the cool stuff store which I might it has to go we talked about before you came on or something like red bubble um so I'm not trying to coordinate things all over the place with different vendors and coordination but this just sounds like a nightmare don't put something that you should do people people from each community can do that that's that's how it has been done in the past those who are kind of interest can help no doesn't work I just think it's something that I would prefer to just have it set up so that local organizers can worry about things like content for their events versus logistics around swag I don't know am I I'm just I'm just worried because uh of course I'm always going to worry about South and Central America so yeah it seems it seems doable for Europe and uh and North America but I can just do a research in here do you have access to red bubble uh I'm checking here check this but yeah I'm just checking if they have local but here's a link you can try yeah yeah I think I joined in the perfect moment late but in the perfect moment uh yeah I just put a link in the the chat I'm curious if you're able to check in there if you're able to order from that or not yeah I'm just at least it shows an idea that we can currency I guess maybe maybe we'll not be a problem because I I can't order because I have an American account so the thing is shipping okay so Justin what were you gonna say I was just gonna say maybe we could just so we can get through some of the other parts of the agenda because we're still gonna talk about metrics and I also want to make sure we talk a little bit about what funding looks like for organizers this year um I think we should come back to this topic once we have feedback from how Nest goes but maybe a path forward will be as far as the centralization of swag I think there's a point so maybe it's some unique the budget really does have to be yeah the budget does have to do with the swag though because we're looking now at shipping costs like different kinds of shipping costs that we were before I think I think that was what Alexandra's idea was about the virtual handovers is I think that idea of the central production of swag which might will probably work really well for North America and the Mia is is fine but we might want to be open-minded in some cases that some local organizers are going to be able to work faster and quicker and still follow best practices for design by working with local partners so you that shipping and logistics piece but we'll just have to there would be a paperwork piece there but I think it would be something that it's gonna make sense for most people who are proposing events and I think it's just a good way that we can keep it open as an option in the cases where that might actually be the better or more easier option for the local organizer I don't want to go through off I think there's ways no I think it's going to just provide a little bit of limitation as far as what they can do because and that's fine it's better than nothing and what I mean by that is they're not going to be able to print five different stickers 30 a piece because that's going to cost a lot you know they're going to have to be able to print one sticker a hundred of them for however much so there's just there's going to be less options but I say we should be able to provide that support if people want to do it and need to do it I think if we're transparent about it and people know then that's okay okay I'm going to refresh really quick because the chat crashed for me and it says I have to refresh okay for the point number three then yes but we need Justin back because that's funny or B maybe B I'm still here yeah listening to all that discussion the third point is about the metrics and it was something that you were speaking yesterday at the commops session so maybe you can share also what it was discussed yes so basically we want in commops we're discussing that it would be nice to have some dni related metrics so we were thinking like one thing which we could do right immediately was that we could just plot all the different like Fedora the Wednesday events which took place over like the map of all the globe but like in the future we also want like not just this information like how many organizers were from which country or which location but also like the attendees hopefully so we were thinking that if we have one platform like hoppin we can just that we will have some email IDs of all the attendees so we can either send them a link to create like a fast account and get like a women's day badge or like still keeping touch with them after or we can just create some like fun pause like we did now for next in the hoppin site and then like have some quick metrics with how many are comfortable with English or how many need like some different language events or like what even what talk they enjoyed the most so we can get a better idea of what area and that needs are looking for and so on so I think the poll function in hoppin is really fun for us the one thing about it is I shouldn't maybe shouldn't tell a whole room of people this but like you can go to a different browser and double vote or like refresh your like you can find out ways to double vote so like it's an entirely accurate no but it gives us a good sense I do like the fact that it's like completely anonymous like yeah so what I what did I want to show you oh I wanted to show you guys just the back end for like a second you guys want to see that so like here's some of the stuff like you can actually see we didn't charge anybody 490 registrations you can see registrations by country and visitors by country which is cool but you can also see that people are using VPNs and various other things you can see what people are using what device operating system so that's interesting and then there's I think there's some more stuff over here so you have like a poll summary in the back and it actually sent me an email with the poll summary from yesterday so you have that back there too so this is kind of you have stage summary so it gives you all your videos you can email attendees through here I have just chosen not to do that besides the standard ones they send you can do all kinds of stuff with this so I guess my point is we should be able to fulfill a lot of the ideas that you guys have with some of these tools and another thing you know we're talking about surveys in general or just for with regards to Fedora Women's Day or metrics in general or just in regards to Fedora Women's Day so I have one question I'm not sure if we discuss this I know we were discussing this before but I'm not sure if we reached a conclusion so will we use like one hop in instance for all the events or different events but it depends on the organizers in case they want to use another tool which also reminds me that we need to make sure that the metrics that we want to get we should ask the organizers to get from the other platform I don't know if they will use Google Hangouts or whatever other tool we should know like how many people they will have countries some kind of metrics yeah they should use something for like event registration so to have like just who like some kind of pre-registration even though the ticket is free like so we have at least a minute of that in here or something to contact them after because we had just that we need some way to contact that in these after the event as well and to keep in touch yeah I'm not sure how to define a metric strategy for Fedora Women's Day going virtual this year like maybe would help if we focus like what are the one or two things we want to learn from Fedora Women's Day 2020 and we can try to some extent to build around that at least in terms of what metrics we can build or collect might be a place to start like probably a Fedora badge would be a good place to start for attendees and maybe organizers too because that was one thing that came up this year was like who who organized them in 2017 and 2018 and we were trying to dig to find all that so they're doing two badges one for organizer one for attendee would be a good place to start for an action item. I'm not against it we've tried to shy away from doing like organizer and speaker badges for some things but I think you know it does give incentive it does give incentive yeah I'm down for that so oh I was just saying Katika I saw your message there in the chat and yeah that's too expensive so the problem with the problem with that is then who is doing so like Katika if you went and got those shipped or got those printed then you would have whatever 500 of them or something then what would you do with them you would ship them individually what I have been doing for the past 15 years and that's how I mostly usually work in Latin America it's just that I had to take my maternity leave and that's the stuff but that was how we usually did it here right educate me I don't know well the usual thing in Latin America was that I went to a conference got my suitcase full of goodies and swag and then I luckily distributed it to different princesses so it was the same person from America but by then he was from Nicaragua and for the both of America we are a guy from Argentina for the Argentina for the Chilean and the rest of the world so that's it being a mom now that I'm not changing my grandpa for me Japanese way easier I actually just did a really small walk by the new neighborhood that I am and I have a DHL and a local shipping and a post office and I have several things that I didn't have back at home so having those international shipping is good also my local North American career is in this city and they usually take only one week from Miami to to put the goodies in here in my house so things have changed drastically for me in the past 10 days and I hope that this kind of changes also helped me to not just to produce locally because here the prices are really great the one that I showed you is one of my kids one but this was a less than two dollars and then I think it's the rest of the money which is going to be less to this year I'm not thinking on huge walks because currently we know that we have to grow Latin America again there was a huge burnout and all that that's another topic but we can start as we started you know 10 years ago small packages I can contact different countries vendors so I can make sure that they do the things like we should do the things so joining that with the with the surveys and all of that I mean the more information we have then the better packages we can build either physical or digital no for example in the Czech Republic I know because I speak with Dorca on some frequency that like for them printing and shipping locally is like way cheaper than doing some kind of online service so I think this country particularly in Colombia is when you talk about prices it's like for Europe so this is probably the cheapest country because they're just in the middle of the continent so it's easier to ship to Central America and to South America but that's an advantage but again we don't have to cover that topic because that's what I want to focus on the 1 p.m right talk but there is the idea there and there is the option for the Latin American guys who is a really different you know easy yeah yeah I mean for me it's just a matter of yeah like time versus like effort versus like if you're willing to head that up that seems great right I think it's just a local person by person situation that we're gonna have to handle but if we're like bringing the conversation back around to budget and how that has to do with swag I think this is pretty tough to understand all of the cost that might go into something like you know swag is probably one of the biggest points of the budget for online virtual events or it would go towards something like doing a virtual activity online like a game or something like that some of them do cost just a little bit of money because so first you need to need to uh I mean it's not the way that we used to do that is what are we talking about oh the virtual packages in the physical packages didn't you set up uh I'm not I'm just talking about uh budget and that I was thinking we should just go with the same dollar amount the hundred dollar budget and see how that does I mean if we if we get say we get 12 um you know different fedora women's day signing up for that event then we have 1200 dollars to work with which is pretty good that would probably be too much but yeah I mean uh I spent 12 dollars to make 10 10 mass covers so maybe we can start doing small packages for the organizers of this uh women event even if they're held virtually and something that is small and can be shipped through regular post and if we send that three or four weeks prior because there is no need to send that you know two or three days before then they can have it for the virtual contract as well so as far as hop and cost there is a cost a lot like a larger dollar amount that will go on to the flock budget but then as we continue there are uh for each event they're I'm pretty sure there are registration fees but I believe that the the um sorry the the program that we went with or the deal package we went with it was like a dollar per registration and then every admin you don't like do on top it's another 10 cents per registration so I'm I like I said I'm not sure about how many admin slots I'm not the one in control of all of the negotiations there are people to be considered that have different needs than our community so we're getting it for a bit cheaper but we are sharing the service right so those are the kinds of things we have to keep in account I don't think it's going to be very costly like say we have 300 registrants I think we're looking at like three to four hundred dollars for hopping I hope not and honestly I think that for like the hop in accounts well we'll see how it works out I actually have this is a bigger conversation that's now playing out in my brain that none of you need to be a part of but it has to do we're gonna talk about in the afternoons of the world yeah that's just a bit of metrics and what what can we do to inspire more female to not just join the conference but contribute that will be the main point here for me the main reason to be into the adorable man group is one to kind of feel understand understand something like that because I'm a mom and usually not everyone but is it is a reality that when my kid jumps on top of me everybody's like oh and she's not gonna talk but that happens it's like the other thing is uh we have different that we have to meet as female especially the ones out that are moms and should be to you and also to seek inspiration because if we see a woman that can cope with university because I know that journal is into that she can come or can come with family either if it's just relatives or a partner kids pets because you're kids too and we actually thrive on it I think that's way more interesting than having a technical conference for me because a technical conference can come from different sizes it's more about how are the female can you roll into the technical world and still be a female not because either hey I thought you were a guy you usually go when you're in the chat without your face on so something that would be cool for me some piece of information that would be interesting for me to have it's like what can fedora do better what can open source communities do better to be more inclusive towards women so I don't know if we're talking about like an open feedback session or some different polls like we come up with a variety of polls on that topic and we put them through in the chat and you know get some feedback on something like what could we do what could we do better in this aspect what we do better in that aspect unfortunately with that we can't do bright ends but just and I did see you know you said something in a channel and we do have an option for something called Lyme survey so Lyme survey is something that I've been a service that I've been looking into and have now signed up for an account on to do a couple things so one of the things is to support CPE in their community happiness initiative and then another one is well we're using it for lightning talks hold on one sec I have something that I wanted to do for the council again I had another use for it as well so a Lyme survey is definitely something I can be using it isn't like it doesn't have like a front-facing interface like I can't set up a survey through our account like I don't know Vipple would have to get on and explain how it works but I'm pretty sure we have our own instance and do this and that I'm not like yeah I don't know all the information behind that but the idea there is like we can't collect identifying information so we can't collect like you know are you a woman are you you know straight k by like or what race are you like we can't do those kinds of things but we can't ask people questions about fedora women's day we can't ask people questions about diversity and how they think we could do better so I think that we can still like I talked to a lawyer within red hat legal and I was like oh surveys what's the deal with surveys you know my predecessor or you know we ran up to this issue in the past and I was like do we need to like run these things by legal or whatever and she's like what if we had to look at every single survey that red hatters placed like that's all we'd be doing and I was like okay fair and I was like what's the general ground like framework of how we can do this and she's like just don't be collecting personal information so I think as long as we don't do that we won't run into a situation where someone would give us a GDPR request and then if it on the off chance it would happen what we would do is I would take that request to legal and I would have that will remove it from our instance and issue the red hat standard response to them that it has been removed now I can't imagine us like since we're going about it very decisively that we would choose to collect personal data but if say we did by accident or say someone was just like I consider that personal and I want it removed we're just going to remove it we're not going to fight with them we're just going to just remove it and be fine with that all right so this is kind of red hat stance on it as from from my understanding and what I am like working on right so I did I got the line survey account and I am the one who is like basically figuring out what's going to go on there and I and I do want to outline a separate noses I want to outline a process for other folks on how to use that outside of just DNI or mindshare etc etc but I would like it to be a little bit more widely known the one thing is I don't want it to be used for just whatever so there should be some kind of standard of like you know what can be used there anyway a point about surveys and how we can use them to figure out some of the most important things we need back or we want to know about improving the situation or what people think we did we're doing well already etc etc so I uh I what do you mean that you have standard for what is even I think it was something you were saying right buddy I cannot hear you I think I muted myself standards for what can go on the line survey yeah I just mean that like it's not something we're going to give access to everyone it's something that we're going to you know it's not just like oh just randomly do like a fun little survey like Vipple has to go in and set it all up etc etc it's work for people so when I say they're just standard I just mean like it's just not like I say we're just going to use for anyone just like anytime we do with like I'm pretty sure it's going to run through mindshare so the same way like people would do a swag request or any other thing we could have them submit a request to do a survey and we would work with them talk with them figure out you know buff up the idea just like we do for other things with mindshare that's probably what the process is going to look like does that make more sense yes yes okay B does that make more sense um yes it does can you hear me yes okay but so I'm not sure about like how we can collect like more information through these like common surveys uh like do we just ask them uh like what some feedback about different teams but then like it might be too much right if someone is just requesting a swag and have anyone looked at the CPE survey has anyone done it you know what I'm talking about the CPE survey no can you share the link hold on oh we are at time oh it's okay like something really quick that I think is really relevant to we didn't get a chance to talk about um I was just going to highlight the what RykesCon has done for their for their virtual events this year with their connectivity fund um let me drop a link to that in the chat um so what they're doing is for their speakers and people who are presenting they can actually apply for things like um internet top-up packages and headsets like wireless microphone or like headsets and microphones for being able to participate on equal footing with people who may already have access to these things or or better access to these things um so I thought this was possibly a really interesting thing we could make available in the CFP process as we get ready to start accepting proposals for possibly regional events or specific sessions in the three-day however we do it with Hopin um or maybe the people who are who are going to present topics who go if we do a CFP for doing talks as well um which that's something I I'm willing to take on just because it's really just messing around with the Pagora repo for the templates and if I can just get feedback on how to write that stuff that would be great but I just wanted to highlight this connectivity fund as this really unique COVID-19 post or mid-pandemic way of trying to support people who may have a different especially folks who like we've always had a strong showing of folks in Latam and APAC and places that have varying stories about internet connectivity so I think it'd be great to continue supporting those people and if this is one way that makes organizing a Fedora Women's Day more accessible I'd love to do it I just yeah I see bees comment I just don't know I saw this conversation in a Mozfest slack because someone was struggling another person was trying to organize a virtual event and was like how do we do this like I'm really like people are asking me for this and I don't know how to handle these requests how do people hard people handling this and the feedback in that thread was was was the rights comm thread but also just saying that for like as far as where to cap it doing it for or willing to experiment for this time because no one's really done this before like I don't know it's just hard because attendees like well maybe that's five people and if it was five people then that's fine but if it's 500 people then it's like oh shoot we we said we were going to do this like 50 up to $50 packages but that was before like I think we'd have to set out we'd have to set a capacity somewhere just to make sure that we don't bite off more than we can chew especially as we're waiting for updated budget numbers or I don't know how that's going to play into this either but just a thought on my side like I'm really plus one to organizers and presenters I just I don't know about attendees I'm open to discussing other ideas but I'm just worried that you know if we get few requests it's fine but if we get a lot we might have to let people we might have to turn people down and that's never a fun thing to do to tell people actually we can't give you support sorry anyways I could open a new ticket for that given that we are out of time just on that specific conversation I also want to open a new ticket for the gnome collaboration since we didn't get a ton of time to talk about it but I know there's folks who are in the gnome community who I'm going to follow up with so I'm in the process of opening two tickets for I want to make a point one for the gnome oh go ahead go ahead no no I'm going to say I'm an open two tickets for Fidora Women's Day one on we'll call it connectivity fund or sponsoring attendees like we'll figure out the details one for that and then one for the specifically the gnome collaboration like it'd be great to collaborate with other communities but maybe since we're coming up on the line with for this and we know we have folks in gnome who are ready to jump on and help with this we can just start with gnome plus Fidora Women's Day start with that figure those details out so I'm going to open those two tickets cool um I'm going to jump off the call I'm getting a bunch of questions here in the chat I'm trying to answer and then I have to go do a lightning talk so I'm out of here for now I feel like we're getting close to the end of the time anyway or over I think for me it would be a good place to pause so I can take time to type tickets and get that work done before I get pulled into the next next thing so for me I think this is a good stopping point and we can try to really focus the discussion like this was helpful for me just to kind of get an idea of where we can focus for Fidora Women's Day even if we get through all of the agenda like we never do anyways even at flocks so like whatever um right but um so I'm gonna I'm gonna open those those tickets for Fidora Women's Day and let's try to drive the conversation in the tickets okay sounds good to me