 It's time for Mackie Keb, and listener Todd brings us our quick tip of the week with Copy in Finder File Preview. I do this all the time, but in case someone else does not know, I often need to copy a value out of a PDF. I click once on the PDF in the Finder, hit the spacebar, double-click on the value or word, and Command-C to copy it. It works like a charm and is very efficient. If the text in the PDF is not selectable, I use TextSniper to OCR to the clipboard. More quick tips like this, plus your questions answered on today. Mackie Keb 1023 for Monday, February 5th, 2024. Folks, and welcome to Mackie Keb, the show where you send in tips just like that one. You send in your questions, as Adam said, and we try to answer them. And you send in your cool stuff found. We share those, too. We share some cool stuff found of our own, the goal being that each and every one of us learns at least five new things every single time we get together. Sponsors for this episode include hymns.com slash MGG, where you can start your free online visit today and then linkedin.com slash MGG, where you can post your first job for free today. We'll talk more in depth about each of those in a little bit for now. Here in Durham, New Hampshire, I'm Dave Hamilton. And here in South Dakota, I'm Adam Christensen. And here in New Hampshire for those listening live, happy Groundhog Day. It's pilot Pete. And for those not listening live, happy Groundhog Day. Happy Groundhog Day. This is how it repeats itself by recording it and wishing everyone a happy Groundhog Day. I knew we would stumble on to this. Our time shifting of things has finally succeeded. I love it. In addition, before we start, let me be the first to wish everybody a happy Groundhog Day. Sorry, I couldn't help myself. I'll stop now. Oh, welcome to spring. Welcome to spring, right? They pulled they pulled that little rat out of the log and he said no shadow. Yeah, really shadow. Yeah, that's right. To celebrate early spring, we will have our next Mac hang in Mac Geekab Hangout, but it's also a Mac Hangout. Mac Geekab Hangout on Sunday, February 18th at 4 p.m. Eastern Time, if you are subscribed to MacGeekab.com slash calendar, this already is there in that calendar event will be the zoom details and passcode. If you aren't subscribed to the calendar, join our discord for the zoom details or the passcode or make sure you're subscribed to our email list at MacGeekab.com. We will also send you the zoom details and the passcode there. We just can't post the passcode on social media because we did that once and that Hangout sucked. Yeah, well, we had all the script kiddies coming in. They Adam, you weren't there. Like they were they were like I give them credit. They fooled us. Clever. They were clever. What they did was they would join and then change their name. We've also changed the security on this so no one can change their names. But they would they would join and then change their name to match someone else in the room, right? Like, you know, some actual real person. And then they would post then they would post the filthiest thing that they could possibly imagine and quickly change their name to something else, which would cause us to boot out a legitimate user. And we played whack-a-mole like this for far too long one Sunday afternoon. So we don't do that anymore. We enjoy the Hangout. This the subject of this Hangout, instead of it being whack-a-mole, is going to be talking Mac web browsers. Now, that that is true. And we will talk Mac web browsers. There was a discussion and discord about it. And it seemed like the kind of thing where if we could a lot of people were saying, well, I like, you know, somebody was like, I like ARC browser because I can have, you know, a side tabs on the side instead of tabs at the top. And several of us asked, can you show us that? Like, I get what you're saying and I understand it like mechanically, but I don't understand it experientially and seeing some screenshots. It's like, oh, I see how that works. So the idea is with Zoom, we can all share our screens or any of us that want to can share our screens and kind of show each other how we're using the features we like in our favorite web browsers. And even if we all have the same favorite web browser, my guess is we're all doing slightly different things. And it really makes a difference. So that's the the the stated topic of our hangout. But for anyone who's been to hangouts, go ahead, Adam, what's that? I was going to say, if you're going to be sharing screens, it's a good thing you got that security locked in. Yeah, we figured that part out. Yes. You don't need it becoming a big old chat roulette. No, we don't need it becoming chat roulette. I'm I'm I'm actually upset that you even mentioned that term here on sullied Mackie cap with that right up until this moment. We were happy that Adam joined. And then no, seriously, very, very happy. But but the conversation will devolve. I was going to say evolve. It will devolve into whatever it is we want to talk about. I have no doubt that we'll wind up talking a lot about Vision Pro and all of that good stuff because people will have them in hand. Speaking of Adam, yours. We are recording this on on Friday the 5th. Sorry, it comes out on Friday the 5th. We're recording it on Groundhog Day on the 2nd. And so yours is due to arrive after we've finished. I hope it's by 9 p.m. Tonight, right? OK, all right. It'll be here sooner. UPS usually gets here right after lunch. So got it sometime right after lunch. Your afternoon is shot. Yeah, pretty solid. Exactly. Yeah, I'm going to be doing. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. One of the one of the reviews called it basically said it's like a drug. I believe that. Like that's the they said that's the most dangerous thing about it. It's like, you know, and I see that and my family is super concerned about that, to be honest with you. Well, because you're going to go into this thing and we're never going to see you ever again. It's like, well, they'll just see you through the thing. Like that's the. Yeah, it's a little frightening. Little dystopian. Yeah, I can see that. I mean, the whole Internet is like dystopian in that way. Like we're we're disconnected from one another. It's, you know, it's a it's a yeah. But to draw a quick question, I think it's a it's a projection of your eyes, right? It's not translucent. It's a projection of your eyes onto the screen in front of you. So someone feels like they're looking at you. Well, again, the reviews are that in person, it's actually really bad at low res. And so like the marketing, they've done some nice adjustments on their marketing videos and things where it looks a lot more transparent, but apparently, like in real life. And in some of the YouTube videos, when you see the eyes can get off a little bit and a little distorted and wash. And they need to do some work on that on that feature. It sounds like it's not quite ready for. And the other thing is personas, they're launching as beta. So that too. So the whole persona thing, which looks really great, like they got the face down, but a bunch of people pointed out, Joanna Stern, I think her, if you watch her video, you'll see how bad it is, especially for someone who has longer hair or wears more flowing clothes because you do the scan and your face is animated, but your hair is not. So you get like hair helmet and then if you're wearing jewelry and it's off to the side or you turn your head, right? If you have normally hair that would flow, your hair doesn't move. It's just like, all right, of course. Yeah, it's like frozen in time. So yeah, yeah, they say it's beta. So hopefully hopefully they can get some physics in there at some point for hair and clothing and stuff like that. I don't know how far they can take it. But right, right, that's funny. I mean, it takes some serious coding to make it look natural. That's not just a, you know, computer, you know, can only do what you tell it to do. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. But but the face tracking is really excellent. And somebody pointed out, I didn't think about this either, is how are they doing them the mouth? Because there is no camera pointed at your mouth. There are the down-facing like cameras. So there must be some sort of combination of audio. Yeah. And to get the lip movements. That would be my guess, is it is there there? They're creating the lips that would match the sounds you're making with your mouth. But apparently it's really good. So that's cool. All right. OK. All right. Well, I have no doubt that we will talk about that on the next episode, which is, you know, a special number for us nerds, which is MGG 1024. We might have a special guest with us next week, too, for MGG 1024, and we might do some other things. But we will almost certainly be talking about your Vision Pro experience, you know, after a week or so with the with the device. So I'm looking forward to that. Shall we use them? Come in as my persona. Yes, you will come in as your persona. If we can if we can rig that up, that'd be great. Oh, yeah. That'd be cool. Dave, I have to ask before we get into it, is the dog bark, I can turn my mic to mute through most of this. Not getting it. OK. No, the audio magic is doing whatever it's doing. Yeah. The neighbor's dog has decided that now is the time to go nuts. So I got to tell you, obviously, we've been doing the show for almost 19 years and not quite as long as Adam did MacCast yet. But if we we and we've been obsessed with audio quality the whole time and used all the technology available to us to make it sound as good for you and us as we possibly can. The last couple of years with what we'll call AI, but it's really just machine learning pattern matching the engines that can use that in real time to clean up audio are absolutely fantastic. Apples got some the platform that we use to for our voice and video connection is called StreamYard. It's got some I've mostly we mostly leverage the one in StreamYard and then Pete, are you using anything on your end to do that? I have audio hijack pros running, I believe. Let me see if I've got that one on. So, yeah, so I've got speech D noise. Audio hijack pro speech D noise. OK, yeah, OK, but when I turn on the AU sound isolation, which is an Apple filter, yeah, audio hijack, it gets really hinky. So, yeah, yeah, Apples speech. Yeah, the AU sound isolation plugin, it works. But when employed in real time, there's a slight lag that we notice, which we don't get with the audio hijack speech isolation. Or the other one that I use here on my end is is from Isotope. It's called RX 10, which is RX is their suite of cleanup tools. And I'm just pulling the name up here. It's called voice D noise, RX 10 voice D noise. And that one works great in real time. But it's just amazing. Like if we had this capability five years ago, we would have been it would have changed things for the show. Like it's it's great. Yeah. And you mentioned StreamYard. And I'll say this for anyone wanting to do a podcast that I was in Singapore last week when we recorded the show that's out this week. And at one point I was missing probably 40% of the audio during the live stream. The beauty of StreamYard is it takes your audio, puts it on your computer and then uploads it. So the show sounds clean. It's like I was there the whole time. They were there the whole time. It's really impressive technology that they they take it all and upload it as a file as opposed to the digitization that I was getting when we were using in real time. Yeah, this is for your. So there I was show, right? Yeah. OK, yeah, yeah. All right. Well, we've we knew that we had lots and lots of stuff to go through. And so now it's time for quick tips. Now it's time for just the quick tips. That's right. Yeah, Adam, you want to start us off? Sure, we got John giving us some additional details about Apple Vision Pro and the lenses that the lens insert. He says, like Adam, I ordered the Vision Pro on launch day. One thing that caused confusion was the dialogue about Zeiss inserts. I asked whether I had it asked whether I had an eyeglasses or contact prescription to which I said both. Then I asked which then it asked which I use more. And I said contact lenses. It then asked if my contact lenses were mono vision, meaning that one was for far away and one was for reading. And then I said, yes, it then said I needed inserts. But I was confused because it did not ask which I is close and which is far. And that information is not on my contacts prescription. When I asked to upload, when I asked to upload, it was not clear if I should upload eyeglasses prescription or my contact lens prescription. I talked to three different Apple reps about this. None of them knew. None of them can answer this question about which prescription to upload and how they were going to deal with the mono vision issue without knowing which I was closer, which I was far. But I finally reached Zeiss support and got the answer. With normal contacts, you don't need inserts with mono vision contacts. Apple Vision Pro will display strangely with or without inserts. So the only option is to use inserts without contact lenses. And hence I should upload my eyeglass prescription. The other thing I learned is that uploading your prescription is not only mandatory, but they won't accept it without the prescription showing your date of birth. The date of your exam has to be within the past year. I thought it was two years, but I thought it was two. I think it is two years. Yeah, signature of the doctor and the full prescription number. The Zeiss reps said that many uploads were being rejected because one or more of these requirements was missing. Anyway, I thought this clarification would be helpful to someone to some of your listeners who got tripped up in the onboarding process. So thanks, John, for that. That's a lot of additional detail and a lot of good things to know. Because I would imagine, surprise, we didn't hear more about this, because I would imagine it would have been very frustrating on pre-order day if a lot of people were getting rejected on the prescription thing. Well, I wonder if they were rejected after the fact. Correct. Well, but not on pre-order day, like, you know, in the days following. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, they're probably easier to crack. So I would imagine it's just a matter of you can get that corrected and they can still get the lenses in there. I think they have a good supply of the lenses. It seems so bizarre to me that like I can go and order lenses from, you know, I buy direct or Zeni and they ask for your prescription, but they just ask you to type in the numbers and put in the date, right? Like it's up to you as to whether your prescription is current or not. They aren't being the prescription, the vision prescription police, right? Right, exactly. And clearly these companies, like clearly someone at the FDA or whoever might care about these things is aware of this by this point in time. I mean, I buy direct and Zeni send, you know, send glasses, sell glasses all the time. And so I'm just surprised that. OK, I hear myself. Does anyone hear me? OK, your your mic shows mute, Dave. Yeah, you got muted. It says you're not connected. It says your mic is not connected. Yeah, barely, barely. You're you're on you're on your it's like you're on your MacBook like not your it's like your phone's microphone is picking us up now. That's going to work out. There you go, there you go. And now I have you guys back, right? Talk to me. Yeah. Hello. OK, yeah, great. OK, great. Only we had some tech guys that knew how to fix this stuff. I got to do an edit here. That's fun. I'm surprised that Apple is choosing to be the vision police here. And I'd be curious to know why that is like, is there something like do they want to play really extra special nice with the FDA so that they can like, I don't know. You know, like they don't have to Pete. Yes. Yeah, Dave, you know this. You don't have to ask. It's the lawyers. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And you know what they say about lawyers? I'm 99 percent of them ruin it for the rest. OK, don't send me email, guys. That's funny. I know. I know. And I thankfully have met the rest. Where Jeff out there is amazing. There you go. Like why but why Apple's lawyers and not anybody else's lawyer? This is the question I have. I don't know. I know this is rhetorical. And it's hundreds of millions they spend on lawyers. Yeah, I'm going to come back in my next life as an Apple lawyer. I don't know that you want that job. I've had to talk to some Apple lawyers, Pete. It's not that that's like work. They expect results. I think the difference here is that glasses and, you know, eyeglasses have been around for centuries, right? Yeah. So we know eyeglasses, right? We're talking about a brand new unproven technology that you are having people put on their face for extended hours of time with displays, you know, this close and lights shooting into your eyes. And, you know, like I think they're a little more concerned like you might have a better case for a lawsuit if you get damaged by this thing. And if you have the wrong. Lenses like that's really on probably on you, but you're going to go after still. Yeah, no, that's it. That makes perfect sense because this is not a pair of glasses. You're absolutely right. I think, yeah. I mean, no one knows what's going to happen. Yeah. No, no, no. Yeah, of course. All right. So back to the quick tips. I discovered something this week. I had to punt on my network time machine backup because despite me having tons of room and continuing to give it more room on my Synology distation. Time machine kept telling me you don't have enough room. You don't have enough room. So it's like, all right, fine. It's it's it's time. And so I wiped it out and then had to go in on my Mac in the office and tell it go, you know, choose this as a new time machine destination. And it did. And I came up with the screen and it gave me the option to encrypt my backup or not. And then below that was something I did not know existed. It had an option for disk usage limit in time machine, at least for a network volume. And it was defaulted to none. Or I could choose custom. And then it showed me the full amount of space on the volume and I could drag a slider back and forth to set whatever quota I want. So I set it to just shy of the full size of the quota that I had set on my Synology, but it wouldn't have known that. It can't see that. It just sees a volume of a certain size and that's it. And so I set it to just shy of that. And and now when I look in time machine, it says, you know, that there is a one point oh five terabyte quota for that volume. No amount of right clicking or control clicking or option clicking or any other type of clicking that I could come up with gave me the ability to edit that after choosing it the first time. So choose wisely. But but and I don't know if when it starts to get full, if it can't successfully stay within the limits via its pruning, will it ask me, do you want to increase the quota, Dave? My guess is it will not. But but anyway, I was shocked to see this. I don't know how long it's been there, but it hasn't been that long. It's either new with Sonoma or or maybe, you know, Ventura right before it. So but otherwise, yeah, because I because I this happens once a year or something that I need to wipe out a backup. So yeah, I know I was I was impressed. Listener Joe brings us our next quick tip. He says, I have a trip to Mexico plan next month. Same I was not planning to buy an international pass for his phone data as I won't need data while I'm there. And he's with Mint, which now has their international pass, which is priced a little bit differently than things used to be. He says, what will happen with text messages and phone calls, though? In the past, I've always kept a small roaming balance so that any inbound. This is really interesting. This is I will answer this question. I screwed things up when I created this quick tip because this is a question from Joe and this is not the quick tip that Joe had sent in. But I will I will answer the question. Now we're here says in the past, I've always kept a small roaming balance so that any inbound text or calls will make it to me. What will happen now? What will happen now, Joe, is that you will not get them if you are on cell data. Mint, there is no you used to be able to keep a roaming balance with Mint and the and it would just deduct, you know, five cents every time an SMS came in or, you know, however many cents your phone call would have caused from that balance. Those went away now and they gave you your money back. They put it into a thing that you can use like for renewals or anything else you want to buy with Mint. So you didn't lose the money you had in your roaming balance. But now, if you don't have a international plan, which is everything for a short period of time, you can get it for a day or seven days or whatever. If you don't have that international plan, texts and phone calls will not come through to your phone unless you are on Wi-Fi calling, in which case, they still will. So that answers that question. And now Joe has a quick tip for us. Did you guys know that? Yeah, I noticed that. Yeah, Safari tabs. Yeah, he he notes that if you choose to open a new link in or a link in a new tab, right, you know, you can right click on a link and say open a new tab or command click on it if you have it set up that way. So there's another quick tip. You can just have links open to new tabs by command clicking. If you open a link in a new tab and then you click the back button, it will close that tab and go back to where you came from, which is a nice little quick. That's interesting. So yeah, yeah, yeah. So thank you for that, Joe. And thanks for the bonus question, too. We were I think we were going to answer that later in the episode. But but, you know, there you go. A two. Yeah, I screwed up the workflow. I was it's it's because I don't know how to manage my own clipboard. That's really what it comes down to, guys. Uh, let's see. Tannel points out an interesting thing with the iOS 17.4 beta that he has been using. Siri, he says on my iPhone is set to British English. Since I live in Estonia, I get a lot of a lot of messages in Estonian. No surprises there. Siri tries to announce these messages, but obviously British Siri cannot read Estonian American Siri cannot either. But British Siri is slightly better as it pronounces vowels more similar to Estonian than American Siri does. Yesterday says I was surprised that while driving, Siri announced a message that was sent in Estonian. And then it said, if you want to reply, you can do it in English. Naturally, I parked my car and checked the Siri settings. And there it was in settings, Siri and search messaging with Siri read messages, finish slash Finland was selected. So Siri assumed that I am getting messages in Finnish, which makes sense as the two languages are similar. More importantly, Finnish Siri can read Estonian with no problem. Very interesting. That's I like to see. Yeah, that's something that would have gone unnoticed. Had you not shared it with us, Tannel, that's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, there we are. That's that's how we do it. I got one more quick tip left before we move on. All right, great. Ben shares with us. He says, in episode 997, you were talking about keyboard shortcuts on the Mac in messages. He says, I just discovered that I can click an individual message on the Mac to select it and then press Command T for tap back, Command R for reply or Command E for edit. If it's a message I just recently sent when nothing is selected, these shortcuts act on the most recent message. And by the way, these keyboard shortcuts also work when using an external keyboard with iPhone or iPad. However, those devices don't support message selection in the same way. So I don't think you can use the keyboard for these actions on an older message in a conversation. And he's right. I immediately went and messed with this when I saw the the note in our discord. But I also noticed that tap back and reply auto select the most recently received message, even if I've sent things since then. So, Pete, if you texted me something like looking forward to the show tomorrow and I said, great, if I hit Command T, it would choose your message, not mine, even though mine is the most recent. All right, great. Yep. And but if I highlight my own sent message in that scenario, then the settings, you know, then the commands would apply to that. So I could tap back my own message or reply to my own message, but I have to select it. It auto chooses the most recently received one. And I found that pretty interesting. All right, folks, ever. Okay. You're the only one on mute, Dave, according to what I'm looking at. Can read lips. The odd part is that this keeps happening. We know what what's happening here. And obviously, I'll edit these out of the show that goes live for the for the listening audience. But what keeps happening is my computer keeps saying that it lost contact with all of my audio devices, but it's not just like a hardware audio device that it's losing connection with. It's everything because what's going in and out of StreamYard are my virtual audio devices and those don't have like, it's not a plug issue. It's a core audio issue. And I'm not, I'm looking to see like, what would I have running that? And, you know, I'm actually curious, does Discord see like, did that get reset to? Nope, that came back fine. 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And unfortunately, the answer is that according to Apple's iCloud team, or that specific answer couldn't come from it could only come really from Apple's iCloud team. I guess is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, but I can confirm the Apple's iCloud support documentation, which we will link to, that you can only upload JPEG files via the web interface. So, you know, that's just the way it is. And I can also confirm that H E I F is not a proprietary Apple format. As a matter of fact, most browsers are now supporting that format as a web developer. I noticed this recently. So we use a bunch of services that will auto convert yeah, you know, to the fastest, most efficient format for browsers and it used to be WebP. And now I'm seeing things come across in H E I F. Oh, interesting. It's just kind of cool. That is kind of cool. Yeah. All right. All right. Cool. All right. Well, I'm going to call a little audible here because it might as well. Dean had a question, Adam, you want to take us to Dean? Sure, because I think it's kind of related. Dean, Dean says, I currently automatically have my photos go to Google Photos where I grab weekly local backups, three to one method. They are organized by year and by month. My question is I'm looking for some software. Please, not Apple Photos. That will let me view all folders and photos, thumbnails with an option to open and possibly even search for them if possible. If I had to explain in short, looking for something like Google Photos feature set, probably not nearly as feature rich, but local software, I could point to my NAS where my photos are backed up. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Love your show. You guys rock and keep up the good work. I'm always listening. Thanks, Dean. We appreciate you always listening. You know, if Apple Photos isn't your thing, there's something that we've talked about on the show before and I've kind of become aware of through some some other channels or reminded of through some other channels, too. And it's called Melio Photos, M-Y-L-I-O. And it's like Apple Photos Pro for nerds. It's it's more advanced than Apple Photos. It's it's more complex than Apple Photos. But it is the tool that people who are frustrated with the limitations of Apple Photos or the user interface of Apple Photos. This is the one that you might really like. It's certainly worth checking out. And so it's at Melio.com, M-Y-L-I-O.com, which, of course, we will put in the show notes. But I think this is I think it's worth taking a look at. And even if you're not sick of Apple Photos, it might also be taking worth taking a look at because, you know, it does some it does some things in a flexible way that only a third party could do. Right. Like so. Yep. Have you used Melio? I played around with it. I am I am an Apple Photos guy, you know, the same. I Cloud Photo Library. I absolutely love and the new sharing features and stuff like that. So I have no issues with that. But I'm all in on the Apple ecosystem, right? But I totally understand people who don't want to be. And yeah, that was a matter of my head immediately. When was that was the service that I thought of? Yeah. What's the what's the price point on that? That's a great question, Pete. They have plans here. Let's go to the Compare Plans screen. So there's Melio Photos, which is free. And and you get, yep, you can import everything you want. You can use their AI powered photo finder engine, photo editing, sort and organize in different spaces that they call them family history metadata. And then there is for ten bucks a month, Melio Photos Plus, which has all of that plus accessing your library from all of your devices. So that cloud service, a Ddupe feature, security with their protection vaults, semi-private albums and sharing of spaces. So, you know, it's it's the the freemium model here. Yeah. So ten bucks a month. If you want to the cloud features, essentially and and more. Right. Yeah. Thank you for asking that question. I would not have I did not think to to share that. So, yeah. All right, Pete, speaking of you, you want to take us to Jane? I can do that. Jane wrote in and and some of it was long. So I'm pairing this down a little bit, taking some editing license, but I couldn't edit this first part out. This is a nice theme this week. Hi, Dave, Pilot Pete and Adam, long time listener. And I thoroughly enjoy your podcast and all the excellent tips and questions answered. Thank you, guys. You all work so well together and are a delight to listen to. Aren't we just love it? Thank you. Those are great. My audio on my Mac thinks we are not a delight to listen to today. But, you know, yeah, we'll edit that out for most of you. Yeah. Exactly. But we've gotten several emails this week with some nice compliments and boys, it humbling. Thank you, everybody. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Very kind. She writes, we've stole. We have an eight. We've stolen some iPhones. No, we have enabled stolen device protection. And are happy it's now available. However, we're having difficulty finding out why our home is not considered a trusted location. I spent three hours on with Apple support senior advisor. And I've tried a multitude of solutions and sadly, none of them work. Our Wi-Fi signal is good and we have no issues with connectivity on any of our devices. And then went through all the troubleshooting steps they tried. Some of the important ones are multiple device restarts toggled off and back on again in Safari and hide my IP and reset location and privacy, which I did. And once you do that, you have to start re-enabling all the yes, let it know my location with every app you open. Going ahead. So after all that, the significant locations worked for us for only one day and we were out and about doing errands, but have not tracked us at all. Since then, even when we've been out with our phones, our contact info for our me cards is correct with our address. I realized the benefits of stolen device protection far outweighs the one hour wait to make specific changes to our devices like changing the passcode, that sort of thing. But I'm hoping you can offer me some suggestions so that my home location is accurate and allows changes to be done without the one hour wait. So I went in too and Dave the Walgreens here in town was a trusted location, but my home was not, my work was not, I'm like, oh, it's weird. So I wiped all that out. How much time you spend at Walgreens? Are you recording from Walgreens right now, Pete? One would think so apparently because I had spent maybe 10 minutes there picking up some stuff from my mother about two hours before I started this. So I didn't spend two hours there. It had been two hours prior. So I don't know. Look, I went in, I did all kinds of things. I went into the system settings and looked other than Walgreens. No significant locations were listed. So I cycled the phone off back on. I opened the Maps app. I scrolled down to the favorites and tapped add, typed in my address, selected it, scrolled down, type, add my home, done, all that stuff. All the things, yeah. Yeah. And long and short of it, I then found an article linked to by a gent named Theo Joe, T-H-I-O-J-O-E on X. Says, guess what? You don't get to pick your familiar locations. You can't set your home or work or any other significant locations where it's safe to make changes. And the article offers a particular solution, but basically what I've done is I'm gonna eat that hour. I've turned it off and just said, you know what? I get it. They don't want a thief to be able to, you know, take your phone and, and you know, go in the bathroom right there where at your place of work or something like that and then make changes before you have a chance to fix it. Yeah. You know, that. So, but I also said, if Dave or Adam have a different experience, you know, I'm sure we'll talk about it on the show. So I don't, I don't know if you guys have specific locations on either of your iOS devices or not, or. I'm sure I do. I've seen them before, but. I thought I had two, but it was weird that my phone and my work were not there because it always seems to recognize when I'm arriving at work or arriving at home and. Yeah. Location services, system services. I was gonna ask, did we cover how to get there? Yeah. Sorry, yes. It's settings, privacy and security, location services, system services, and then significant locations. And it's on, I show 144 records and I don't get to see them. The only thing I see as a recent record is actually my therapist's home slash office. That's it. I don't have it. I haven't been there and it's been several days. So that's cool. Yeah. They used to show you, I thought they used to show you the list. Like I have, I have similar thing. I've got 62 records. This is on my Mac. I don't know if it's the same or different on my iOS devices, but. Yeah. Walmart, which is where I went to do my eye exam. Right, of course. So it's the most recent location. So I was there for, you know, a minute. But 62 records between December 2023 and January 2024. So it looks like it's doing about a year's worth of stuff. Yeah. No, January 23, December of 2023 is last month. Yeah. A month or so of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I, you used to be able to see it with all of them. You can't. I understand from someone who wrote in and forgive me, I didn't log your name in a way that I can easily refer to you during the show. So thank you. iOS 17.4 adds more granularity to this. Probably specifically because of the issue that it causes with stolen device protection. Right? You know, I don't want to, I don't have to go see my therapist to unlock my iPhone. Right. Be a really kind of funny thing. Yeah. Dave, how does that make you feel? Yeah, exactly. Having to unlock your iPhone here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're, you're, yeah. I will say, when this came up on the last show, I haven't turned it on yet and I expressed my concerns about this sort of thing. Like, how incredibly inconvenient it could be if it didn't work properly and. Yeah. So I think you might, and I, again, I don't have all the details on this, but I think 17.4 might not just show you more, but also let you configure and set certain things as significant locations. But I, like, take a look at it when 17.4 comes out. We will, too, and we'll talk about it on the show. But yeah. Yeah, I think, I think one way to know. I think one way to know. Sorry. Sorry. Okay, I'm sorry. I was going to, so I'm pretty sure I'm on 17.4 beta. And I, again, I hadn't gone anywhere with it. Yeah. Okay, so you are on the beta. And if you go in there, you don't have any other options, right? Oh. It looked like, the problem is I hadn't been anywhere after I reset it, but, and of course, now I'm using it as my camera, so I can't run into it. Got it, okay. But the, it looked like there was an option. It was kind of grayed out to see significant locations. Right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Well, we'll find out. I'm curious to see what happens when you go in there a little bit later. Real quick, I was going to say, one way you might be able to crib what your current locations are is, when I get in the car, I think that's what drives like your maps. So like if I drive away from my house and I'm getting back in the car, maps will suggest like home, if I'm close enough to home. Sure. That's like the place I'm going to. Or like when I get in the car here, it's just a lot of the recent places I've been to, you know, multiple times within town. So it's always been weird. It'll be like, oh, you want to go here. Do you want to go here? It's like, well, I go there a lot, but yeah. So yeah. Yeah. All right. Ready shares an interesting thing and asked a question in our discord says, my neighbor who has an iPhone and a Mac sent me a test text message yesterday at 1 p.m. Well, I was at work away from home, which is where my Mac is. I did not get that message on my phone though. Today, I logged into my Mac and saw the notification there. This happens from time to time and with slightly different circumstances. My Mac and iPhone are both signed into iCloud under the same account and I only have one iCloud account. Are there any settings I can change so that anyone who sends me a text message will go to all of my Apple devices? And there was a fantastic conversation in Discord that transpired long before I even got there, which I love. And I believe, yeah, it was Porthos John in Discord who pointed out and advised, ready to check that the messages on your phone will be received at all the same phone numbers and emails that are set in your Mac. And so you do that by going into settings messages, which I swear I'll find on my phone eventually. I gotta get out of privacy and security here. But yeah, go to settings, messages, and then send and receive there. And you will see a list of all of, presumably your phone number and then all of the email addresses that are linked to your iCloud account. And you can link new ones at icloud.com slash mail, I believe, or maybe it's just in the sort of the top level of your iCloud account because it doesn't have to just be your iCloud address. It can, like I have my Mac eCab address in there and all of those things. And you can choose whether or not you will receive messages sent to those email addresses. And it turned out that Reddy had turned off all of the email addresses on his phone. And for whatever reason, his neighbor had his email address as his iMessage address to which he was sending things. And so those things would only appear on his Mac where he had all of those things selected. So it is important. What's nice is you can, in that same thing, you can choose one of your addresses to start new conversations from. And you can choose that to be your phone number or not your phone number. And I don't know that there's any one right answer for that. It defaults to your phone number. So that's what a lot of people use. It's what I use. But I have noticed when I'm traveling internationally or something, it's like, oh, I wish I had sent it for people to use like one of my email addresses. Although iCloud's pretty smart and it'll get it to your phone even if that SIM is offline because it knows you're logged into that iCloud account. And so your phone number becomes this sort of representation of you, not your actual, like you don't need that phone online. So it gets a little weird, but like when my daughter moved to Italy and gave up her US phone number, and now she has an Italian phone number for her phone and she pays $11 a month for 150 gigs of super high speed data, which is awesome for her. Maybe 11 euro, but it doesn't really matter. It's cheap. But, you know, she had to like teach people how to contact her again because if you texted her US phone number or even I messaged her US phone number, it would no longer get to her. So that all needed to happen. So think about those things when you're making your choice about what do you want to have to deal with in the future? And just real quick, if you're on the Mac, the way to get there is you have to open up messages, go to settings and then click on the iMessage tab and then there's a settings panel in there where you can see the same information. Yep. Yep. Thank you. Cool. All right, shall we go to, should we, I mean, hang on one second. I'm just going to knock on some wood here, Adam. Great. Yeah. Because it's been over 10 minutes since my audio has reset itself and forced us to have a nice little lag and an edit point in the show. So I knocked on the wood. Will you take us to Jan or Jan? I always forget, Jan. I think it's Jan. We'll say both. Jan Jan says, does anyone know an iPhone home screen widget or a shortcut that will allow me to see the Wi-Fi network I'm connected to without having to open up one of the settings apps? Or open up the settings app? Yeah, this might be a geek challenge. I like this. So, again, this came in our MaciCab Discord and there was some discussion about it and Jim has fun said, you can get this via shortcuts. Like you can, there is a shortcut action for get Wi-Fi networks, network name. And then you can show that, right? So a shortcut could do this. And if you have an iPhone 15 Pro with the action button, you can assign that shortcut to the action button. So all you gotta do is hit the action button and it shows it to you. But that's a little bit tedious. You can also save a shortcut to your iPhone home screen if you wanna just tap it and do that. You can, of course, pull down from the right, upper right hand corner of your iPhone to pull down control center and see the Wi-Fi network name because it's gonna show it there. But there's no way to just have it displayed on your phone that I have found. Although, like I looked in Widgetsmith, the third-party app that does a lot of cool things with widgets and if you haven't checked out Widgetsmith, I highly recommend it. But they don't have a particular widget for showing your Wi-Fi network name. You could request it as a feature. But I feel like we're close to, like you could run a shortcut every 10 minutes that went and grabbed it and stuffed it into a variable somewhere and then could you somehow update your thing? Like I feel like we're really, I don't know, what do you think? Adam, do you have any thoughts on like how we can get there with the data that we know we have? No, but I mean, it sounds like something that somebody could probably quickly write as a widget. Like, I don't know how he's like, we need a developer to just make it. That's you. Maybe it is me. I'm thinking about it now. It's like, oh, I've never tried to make a widget. I wonder what's involved. I might look into it. But yeah, no, I mean, it seems like, it seems like an obvious thing. Like it'd be interesting that no one, it's interesting to me that no one's done like a Wi-Fi widget that would show Wi-Fi details on a widget. Maybe it's a security thing. I don't know. I'd have to do some research. Hang on. Is there a Wi-Fi widget? Wi-Fi man adds iOS, this is from 2020, an article I found at iMore. Wi-Fi man adds iOS 14 widgets that show your Wi-Fi usage on your home screen. Does it show you view usage data per SSID? So maybe, I don't know. We'll put a link to Wi-Fi man in there to remind both us and you to check that out. Yeah, why not have a widget that shows your SSID, what you're connected to, the data rates that you're getting currently and your IP address? That would be amazing. Like I could see that being helpful. Sure, right? Yeah. And while you were talking, I muted my mic and I said, yes, lady, what Wi-Fi network am I on? And she goes, I can't help you with that on the Apple watch. I'm like, oh, because again, my phone's being used as a camera. But I thought, well, you know, because I was thinking you could set up a shortcut where the action button on your watch ultra would bring that information up. Well, let me try it and my apologies. Siri, what Wi-Fi network am I on? Let's see. It just shows me that I am connected to Wi-Fi and it would let me turn it off, but it does not, like it pulls down a widget I've never seen before and that, oh, come on, Siri. That just shows I can turn Wi-Fi on and off, but it doesn't show me any details, so. Cool. Yep. All right, where are we on time and time? I think it's time to, well, I wanna do a little show business quickly here because I wanna take a minute and say thank you to all of you who in the past few weeks have sent in your contributions to our MacKicab Premium program, which you can learn about it, MacKicab.com slash premium. As I always say, and it remains, this is optional, certainly not mandatory. 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Oh yeah, the spy gen, the spy gen arc field, yeah, sorry. It's all good, it really doesn't matter. So I got thrown off, and now the air raid sirens going off, so hopefully you can hear that. Oh, amazing. So yeah, so I have had an Apple Watch for a long time, and more recently I started wanting to do the sleep tracking thing, so I've been sleeping with my Apple Watch, but that means when I get up in the morning, the battery is about 20, 25% usually from the previous day, and so I have a stand next to my night stand where I put my Apple Watch and things to charge, but I'm not putting it there at night. Get up in the morning and I would be in my office and sure enough, my Apple Watch would go dead, so I wanted to get a little charging stand for my office, and so I did some searching around on Amazon and I found that the Spigen Spigen, how do you say it, arc field watch stand, and it's a simple little watch stand. It's integrated in terms of the little charging puck, but it's 100% Apple Watch compatible, so it's like official, a little more on the expensive side because of that, and it's a nice little stand and it's like perfect, it comes with little risers depending upon the size of your Apple Watch that little inserts you put in, so it'll put it at the correct right angle. It sits horizontally so you get the cool, like the time displays as it's charging and you can- The night stand mode. The night stand mode, so it works with that. It does have an integrated cable, which is not always my favorite thing, so the cable's non-detachable, but in this case, you don't really move it around, so that doesn't bother me as much. I worry about the cable breaking and then I gotta get a whole new thing, so that's maybe not the best part of it, but the other thing that happened was I was sitting here and I had my AirPods and those needed to charge and I went, I wonder if I could throw my AirPods on there, my AirPods Pro. Sure enough, I put the charging case on there, it locked in with a magnet and went ding and started charging those too and I have the first gens, so I thought that was a second gen version. Yeah, we were talking about that pre-show. I agree with you. I thought it was only the second gens that would charge on the watch puck and not the first gens, but you didn't replace your case, right? Your case is... Oh no, not at all, yeah, original case. So it all worked and it's a nice little compact stand. It's nicely weighted on the bottom, so it's got good heavy weights and weight to it, so when you lift things off, that stuff doesn't go flying. I think the price on the website was about 54 bucks. I think I paid less on Amazon. I don't remember what I paid. On Amazon, oh, okay, we'll find an Amazon link for that for sure. Okay. Yeah, but maybe I did. Again, it's the official puck, so we were talking about the licensing and all that costs extra. Yeah. So... All right, well, I will share the next thing here. Oh no, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. Sorry, someone was sharing the mag go. Yeah, yeah, that's the next thing I was gonna talk about here. Okay, cool. I was prepping things and Pete started... Pete jumped the gun. That is totally fine. Totally fine. Do some of the show too early. No, so I have an admission to make. I must share because just two weeks ago, whatever the episode was that we recorded right before CES, somebody wrote in and said, what's the best travel charger, three-way travel charger that I can use for my iPhone and watch and AirPods while I'm traveling and put them all on the, you know, MagSafe and all that stuff. And I sat here and said what I firmly believed in the moment, and I still kind of believe, is that a cable is what I use when I travel because it's the best way to ensure that you're not gonna wake up with a dead phone in the morning. And then we started going and seeing all of the cool stuff at CES and we ran into the folks at Anchor early on in our journeys there. And they had what they call the Anchor MagGo wireless charging station. And they gave me one to experiment with while at CES and from that moment forward every night at CES, this is the only thing I used and it is a three in one thing. It's about the size like two dimensions of it or about the size of a credit card. It is much thicker than that. It's about the thickness of two iPhones when it's all collapsed, but it is foldable. And it has the not MagSafe, but G2 pad which is essentially MagSafe. So it's got a G2 pad for your phone. It's got a G pad for your AirPods kind of inside it when you lift up the G pad for your phone. And then it's got a little watch puck that sort of flips out the back of it. So you've got this really compact thing where you can charge your watch, your phone and your AirPods all at the same time. It does have a detachable cable. It's a USB-C, so I just used the USB-C cable that was right there that I already had on my, you know, set up on my bedside table in the hotel room and I just plugged that in and everything worked great. And because it's G2 and not MagSafe, it's a little bit cheaper than the three in ones that you would pay for when it was MagSafe because the three in one, this is $110 which is not inexpensive, but if it were MagSafe paying the Apple licensing fees and all of that, you would be paying $150 for it, like all the other MagSafe ones. So yay, G2, the price. I mean, you still have to pay for G2 certification but at least it's slightly less. So there you go. Dave, that appears to be about the size of a deck of cards. About the size of a deck of cards. That's really the right way. A little thicker, yeah, maybe. A little thicker, deck and a half of cards. Yeah, exactly. Close to the dimensions for sure. Yeah, that's a great way of saying it. That's nice. The question I have is that picture shows a USB-C cable and a wall wart. Is that included or are they just showing that in the Amazon? No, it is included. You get the deck of cards and the USB-C cable which there's comes with a little right angle on it which is nice. And then of course, the wall wart that powers it if you, you can use it with any wall wart, obviously that's providing enough power, but yeah. But that's like, I mean, I'm just thinking that's like another 30 bucks worth of stuff. That's fair. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep, because mine didn't come with that. So I, you know, I had to get another wall plug or whatever and you know, 20, 30 bucks for a wall plug, 20, 30 bucks for a cable. Yep, yep. All right, Pete, you got a cool stuff found to share with us for today. I do that the Chipolo card, perfectly imperfect card. It's about the size of a credit card, slightly thicker and so fits in your wallet and works with Apple. Find my, and boy, I got one at CES and I stuck it in my wallet and boy was I glad to have that because going through security in Mumbai, India, you pull everything, did I say everything? I meant everything comes out of your bag, except for your clothes. Anything with a wire, any, all the chargers, all the cables, all got to come out and go in the bucket. So needless to say, that takes me a little bit of time since I travel with podcasting equipment. Yeah, right. So I'm rushing and I'm trying to get it all back because there's people standing behind me waiting for this idiot to get his stuff back in his bag and so I'm trying to get it all in there and I just take, I have this wallet that I have my pilot's license, my medical, all the stuff that allows me to fly legally all over the world and then my passport goes in there too. Well, I had stuck my passport in my breast pocket because I need to show that to walk through the security screener and I just quickly stuck the wallet into one of the pockets in my suitcase which I never do, I'm very, you know, I can wake up in the middle of the night and go find, you know, a Tums. I know what pocket it's in, I don't have to turn on the lights on, I can do all that. Well, I could not find my wallet anywhere and I'm like, oh crap, did I leave it at security? Yeah. And it's like, I'm gonna have to get off this airplane and go back to security because I cannot legally fly and I don't need to land in Singapore and get ramp checked and not have my licenses and be hauled off to the hokey pokey. Yeah, you don't want to do that. I've heard they might like lop your hand off for that. Yeah, well, at least smack you with a cane a few times. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm like, oh my God. And then at the last minute I went, oh, I've got the Chipolo card. So I pulled up my phone and I ran and I heard it. I went, ah, it's in my bag somewhere. I'm good to go, sat down and dug it out when we landed in Dubai. That's cool. And you mentioned that this is the perfectly imperfect addition of what the product is called the Chipolo card spot. It's a find my card as you just articulated. The perfectly imperfect version or addition is because they had some manufacturing errors that caused some cosmetic blemishes on these things. And instead of throwing them away, they thought, well, let's just embrace it. And they came up with this cool, you know, script logo of perfectly imperfect. And they say it is almost black. I think that was one of the problems is it came out more charcoal gray than anyone anticipated. But instead of throwing them away, they sell them for 35 bucks on their website, which is a little bit less than they were gonna sell them for otherwise. So, yeah. Yeah. And then that was it. It was embrace your imperfections. And then actually at CES, they had to say they had us write our imperfections on the board, right? That's right. Yeah. If someone had I'm Lazy and I wrote I'm Lazier and someone said, well, they can come along and say I'm Laziest. I said I would have written that but it was too many letters. That was fun. Yeah, yeah. Great. Yeah, yeah. So we'll put that in the show notes. Adam, I know we are running tight on time here but this one I think is timely and important. So you wanna share what Bill shared with us? Yeah, Bill sent me this really cool thing. And unfortunately, this was a live event, missed it. It was Apple's insanely great Apple Mac at 40 event because recently the Apple Macintosh turned 40. Yeah. And the Computer History Museum held this event with a bunch of the original Mac team and did an interview and all that sort of stuff. It was live and we were gonna talk about this. It happened on January 24th, live streamed. I totally missed it. I didn't have time to tune into it. And then I was hoping it would show up on their YouTube channel and sure enough, now it has. So you can go to youtube.com slash computer history and it is in their videos there on YouTube. So you can watch the whole thing in its entirety and that's really cool. It's, yeah, I started watching it. I've actually got it. I used the command line tool yt-dlp to save that YouTube video to my iPad, to my Plex library, which now on my iPad so I can watch it on the plane to Mexico in a few weeks and it's about two hours long. So give yourself some time. But yeah, David Pogue hosted it. A lot of the original Mac design team is there being interviewed. Very similar, it seems on the surface anyway, to what we did 10 years ago at the Mac 30th event, which was held at the Flint Center, which was cool. The Mac World All-Star Band played at that event and it was cool being on stage with an original Mac on the little podium in the corner, just like it was when it was first announced and 40 years ago. So, but yeah, I'm looking forward to watching this. There's also an exhibit at the Computer History Museum that's on display for the next month. So if you are in or around San Francisco, you can go to it. But if you can't, visit the website where they show some of the things and have some of the pictures of some of the artifacts and that sort of thing right there on the web for us. So links to all of these things, including the YouTuber and the show notes. That book you just scrolled by is just amazing too. Which book? How the Mac was Made? How the Mac was Made, yeah. Oh, sorry, Revolution in the Valley. Yeah, that was Andy Hertzfilm, right at our thinker. Yeah, that's right, yep, yep. Great book, I have that in my library. I love that book. I don't know that I've ever read this book. So we are putting a link to that in the show notes too, my friends. It's a collection of short stories about different events. There's a great piece about rounded rectangles, about the day that Steve Jobs, him and Steve Jobs were walking down the street and Steve talked about rounded rectangles and then he went back after that and then made rounded rectangles on everything on the Mac. Yeah, I think I've read some of these stories. Now, that one doesn't sound familiar, but yeah. There's also a podcast that he did, or he allowed someone to do that are those stories. It's like archive.org or something. I think his site is archive.org but there is a podcast that has them just read out too. Yep, yep, cool. Thank you for that. That's great, thank you for that Bill. Thanks everybody for all of the great, cool stuff that you sent in, all your great questions and your tips and thanks to the audio gods for only letting us have two instances of audio death so far. Hang on, knock on wood. But we survived the audio death. So there you go. You got caught, Dave. We did get caught. It's interesting, it's where Core Audio just resets all the devices very quickly on my Mac but it causes a few things to just go haywire and need sort of a manual nudge that takes all of about 30 or 40 seconds to do. I've seen this happen before, never this frequently though. So I wish it would happen in a sense more frequently so that I could troubleshoot it and like figure out what's going on. Until then, we just keep our fingers crossed and we knock on wood. Thanks for hanging out with us folks. Thanks to Cash Fly for providing all the bandwidth to get the show from us to you. Thanks of course to our sponsors. You know, you can learn all about our sponsors at mackeygov.com slash sponsors. They are automatically filled in there and plus we highlight a few that are sort of the key. So check it out, mackeygov.com slash sponsors. Feedback at mackeygov.com. Thanks for hanging out. Thanks for, thanks for everything. Thanks for all your kind compliments and comments. We lead charmed lives here, absolutely. Pete, what's your shirt say? Well, in English it says don't get caught. In German it says. Las dich nicht erwischen. Made it. Made it. Just in time. Oh my God, it just went away. Like literally just went away. Can you guys hear me? Yeah, we can hear you. Okay, it like something happened again, but this time I didn't lose like logic didn't get lost. So, all right, now we're really gonna leave. Okay, now I've cut the recording. Great. Unfortunately, I have to run or I'm gonna miss my beating. So, I'm gonna drop off. Later, thank you. Sorry, yep. No, no problem. Cool. All right, well I need to do edits, unfortunately today. Yeah, I can't do any of my like quick do this things, but I gotta do all the edits first, so yeah. All right, yeah. I guess we should end the stream then. Well, it's time to end the stream. Thanks for hanging out with us, everybody. Don't talk all, yeah, thanks for hanging. We'll see you on Thursday. Thursday at 9 a.m. because of your flight schedule. But I will share it with everybody on the live stream. We have none other than Mr. John F. Braun on deck for Thursday for episode 1024. So, excited to have him back in. Gigabit episode. Yeah, it'll be a good one. Or megabyte episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Kilobyte, kilobyte, kilobyte, right, 1K. Yeah, 1K, there we go, 1021. All right, later, everybody. See ya. See ya. Later.