 Welcome to the Premier League show. It was Champions League week this week. There was a couple of games played there. That literally goes against what we're talking about. Does it? It's not the Champions League show, is it? No, it's not about the teams in the Premier League, but obviously preparing for the Champions League. They were there for... There was a couple of games on Saturday. There was. The top two. The Maisie side derby. They're not the top two. Last season's top two. This year's on six games, isn't it? Let the past be the past man. Let the past. Liverpool fans would love you to talk about them as being the top two side. They would love to. Leave them in the past. Very much like the derby on the weekend. No, I'm just saying. Last season's top two played at the weekend. They did. Liverpool played in the Maisie side derby early. With a league game. Because of Champions League this week. The Maisie side derby was... Nillyn. Loads of VAR stuff in it. Loads, well, not loads. One big one. No, those three moments should have been involved in VAR. One was a goldish laugh forever. Could well have stood if you listened to different referees. Or they'd used the Champions League... new VAR system. I want to discuss, in a minute, segue. There was the VAR possible red card, again, which, depending on which side of the fence you are, it was or it wasn't. And there was the moment that VAR should have been used. And wasn't when James Milner had a game of basketball. And that was missed as well. But the game ended nil nil. Disappointing for having that big chances to win it. Job and Pickle was amazing. Made great saves to ensure Liverpool didn't win it. They gave Liverpool a frustrating afternoon because you don't want a drop point they've already... in there as drop points against Fulham Palace. Obviously lost against United. And another two points drop in their opinion against Everton. And then that gives City the opportunity at half five going to Aston Villa, a chance to move further at the Liverpool. Villa being in poor form this season. Just a one win against Everton. And that man, again, I don't know whether Rory is still fuming. Oh, Rory will be fuming. He'll be going quiet, won't he? On the playlist. He'll do. Rory off the playlist will do what he should really do. He's just not mentioned Harland again. But it was Erlan Harland scoring for City after a delightful cross from Kevin De Bruin on the run. Looked City when heading his thoughts game over now. But fair play to Villa. Leon Bailey. Yeah, you have people who watch this regularly. I think he's a good player. He levelled up with a great goal for Villa. And then there was a conservation moment again. Another conservation moment. Because Phil Catino scored a goal. Players had stopped. I don't think him scoring was necessarily the conservation moment. I don't think. I just think the way he played out with it. The lies didn't put the flag up. The referee blew the whistle and played stop and shot it in the top corner. But when you watched it again, he was onside. And it was that thing of a thought, let it play out and then put it up. Listen. It ended one-one. So City will even know that he'll probably be a little bit disappointed that he didn't win the game. Liverpool haven't... And they will look at Liverpool still as their main rival. Yeah, of course. You've got two, haven't you? And so, you know, they haven't kind of lost any ground on Liverpool. And obviously they, you know, wanted the game because of Champions League. And we'll go back on to the Premier League in a minute. Because it is a big Champions League thing. And obviously the lads over on the playlist have been discussing the Champions League. Let's have a listen to what they have to say. Liverpool 05 was the best Champions League game I've ever seen. But it wasn't... It was huge, by the way. Don't get me wrong. I think these top three. Only because I thought 99 was amazing. Think about what 99 was. 99 was amazing. It was a treble. Was it a treble? Arsenal the previous year had done a double. And Arsenal fans were low. No, they had a treble about it. Yeah, yeah. They had done a double. You know, I was like, don't care about the treble. I get that. I get what you're saying. Liverpool 05, they were, as you all know, you all know, everyone went up, they were 3-0 down. To get back 3-0 and to win on penalties, the way they did. That team, yeah, that midfield of Pirlo, Catoosa and Cacar. Wow. Back of Nesta Maldini's stab. A sexy football game. I'm not joking as Rick Seydorff. It was fully loaded. But that's applicable to Manchester United. Hernan Creswell up front with Jeff Chenco. No, it isn't. Hernan Creswell up front with Jeff Chenco. It is. It is scary. What's that? You're saying things as if they aren't true about the Bayern Munich team that Manchester United beat or the Bayern Munich team that you... No, no, it's very good. I'm not saying that, but I'm trying to say that AC Milan squad's better. It wasn't. It gave up a 3-0 lead. A lot. This is coming from a guy you can't despise. I despise my United with every fire of my body. I do, but they won a treble. I know. And it's the last minute. It's incredible. Mate, they were losing. They were losing. They were losing in the 91st minute. I agree that. They were losing. They won. The Liverpool penalties. They were losing on one. That was a discussion. Yeah, okay. I mean, you can watch the rest of that video on 888 Sports YouTube channel. The playlist. Yeah, I mean, listen. There's only one answer to that. Manchester United 1999. They didn't win on penalties, did they? You know what I mean? They didn't draw the game. They won the game. They were 1-0 down in injury time. Yeah. And won the Champions League. They'll be in. Within the injury time. Yeah. And I can't even think of another good game with an English team comeback and won the Champions League. No, no. So, no. Not in, certainly not in game time. No, in game time. No, in game time. No, no. The teams have drawn games. Teams have drawn? Chelsea's group didn't even play a minute. And they've done well on. Pulled lots out of it. Whatever. Whatever it was. But they got me that shoot or something. So, we... Fair play to the lads. Maybe that was... Maybe that used that conversation to get away from Rory having to talk about Harland and went on and scored a couple of goals in the Champions League as well. Well, of course, you know, Rory did say he couldn't understand why people saw Harland had come in and do well basically, cos he had... It was being disrespectful to people like Harry Kane and Sunday. And obviously, Salad seemed a winner. Who started the season so well. So, there you go. But fair play to Rory. So, yes, Manchester. Nice is the right answer. Just they obviously went on into the Champions League. But what we'll do is, we'll carry on with the prem and we'll go into the Champions League to finish. That's what we'll do. So, pause. There was a huge game on Sunday for the league leaders, Arsenal. People talking about it as being the first big test. They went to Manchester United with Reborn almost under Eric Tenhar. You know, since that crushing breath at the feet. The humiliation. They've been in great form. No, they have. They've run out three-one winners here. Yeah, yeah. He gave them all the power that came, didn't he? He gave them the power to do what he needed to do. Ben Schwannar, though, in Maguire and bringing his players and he got obviously got Anthony in. Who scored the first goal. I mean, Arsenal had a goal this a lot, which I thought was really poor. It was harsh. I thought it was very, very harsh. But he took the lead, Anthony. Scoring on his debut. He equalised. But then, court. Arsenal on the counterattack and then Arsenal second half. I thought Arteta went too early with all the subs and change. Gone, gone, gone with when there was plenty of time left. I thought that showed a little bit of naivety that in a style, I think. You go play somewhere like Man United. And I think you just play. If you can't win, you draw. But I don't think you should go and go, well, if we can't win, we throw everything at them. It's your sixth game of the season, man. I think you should have sorted. Just get a draw and get out of it. You've been flying. But he went for it and it cost him and United went and got a third. Again, bringing it was all for them. You know, Arsenal is still top of the league, of course. If he did miss that opportunity, he'd go above them by drawing with Villa, you know, I thought he was a bit silly, but it's another good win. It's another good win for the United. I think that's what it's like. Four on the roast. Four on the roast are really, really good for them. And, you know, they've got the new players in as well. So, you know, when they're looking all right, looking good. Yeah, he's getting, he seems to be getting his ideas across now. A nice little finish from Anthony to put United ahead. You know, and then to come back, you know, Sacher off his league. Well, he has to come back at one-one and then to, you know, Marcus Rashford, I think he's had a good start as well. Another goal for him and got the third goal. So, you know, good results, you know, Marcus flying. And I think if you get him scoring regularly, Rashford as well, I think he'll do well. And obviously, Ronaldo came on there, and he almost had another goal light on as well. But for Arsenal, brilliant. I mean, every, I imagine every Arsenal fan would have sucked five wins out of the first six games at the start of the season. So it's been a great start for them. And it's hardly picked themselves up now. But I think you're right to think at one-one with 25 minutes to go. Just dig in. Dig in. Don't give anything silly away. And, you know, if you can't win it, don't lose it, like you say. And, you know, maybe you'll learn from that. But for them, a disappointing result will be for United, like you said, to turn it down from that four-nil, you know, a brengford. And they just look calamitous that day. And they've come back brilliantly and up, you know, up into the trop six now, aren't they? Chelsea. Yeah. Well, the controversial one. Well, the controversial game, you know, ended up beating West Ham 21. And then second the manager. And second the manager a couple of days later. And then given the job-top game potter, you know. Big, big week. I mean, Ben, Ben Chilwell. You know, my Antonio put Chelsea ahead didn't have to run out. But Ben Chilwell equalised, Caya Vets scored with a couple of minutes left. And then West Ham thought he'd equalised, deep an injury time, Maxwell Cornyd, with a lovely finish. And VAR stepped in and gave a foul against Mendy. That when you see it again, isn't it a foul? No. Isn't it a foul? It's a brilliant finish. Not a chance. And that, it's frustrate fans, doesn't it? Because sometimes they can be shutting in it when you go. Like the Arsenal goal, Matt Nellie's goal with Old Trafford. I thought it was harsh. There was a little push, it's supposed to be not giving those free kicks nowadays. It's supposed to let it go because he made the most of it going on the floor. But this one, when you watch it again, he's basically give a foul against Mendy for almost intent from the player. But the player, Mendy gets the ball. Like the ball breaks before the player even gets by him and the player doesn't even hit him. Mendy just takes his eyes off the ball. I don't, I don't. Absolutely don't. And obviously the Premier League or the PGML I've come out and said that they got it wrong. So it's an awful decision and it's cost them a point. I mean in the game, the game itself wasn't very good. Chelsea had 68% possession, 8 attempts at goal to West Ham 6. So I'm not exactly a very creative game of football from either side really. I mean West Ham don't have to go there. I mean he's will try and frustrate, but big, big win for Chelsea. But unfortunately for Thomas Tuchel, it wasn't enough to save him. They then go unused. Lost in the week didn't he? Yeah, in the Champions League. And he's ended up losing his job. And then there's obviously been stuff come up now that top ball would try to force players on him. If you like, you know. There was a disagreement over Cristiano Ronaldo. Chelsea wanted him and Tuchel didn't. Anthony Gordon, apparently, he was following the numbers from his data guy and wanted him and Tuchel wasn't really that bothered by it. And if there's those kinds of little splits then, then it's no wonder that the first shot of trouble they've got to do. Yeah, it was all too great. And football's not that good. So yeah, if they've had a falling out over players then the owners looked elsewhere. Some of the media reaction thought it was dead interesting cos people acting like they're really shocked. But me and you done a show on Monday and said Tuchel is coping trouble if he doesn't start getting a run go. And this is after a win. It's a football isn't it? And yeah, day after day talk and like it's, you know. But yeah, but yeah, these were standing at the bottom, obviously. Brentford beat Leeds five to Ivan Towney with three tremendous, well bombs a penalty, a great strike my free kick. And it's their goal when the keeper, Mellier, is likely to give you the goal, come out. Get him on the plane. It was so, it's so calm. The chip is what I wanted at the Games last week. He did exactly the same thing. That was just like chip it in. I mean he's a decent keeper, Mellier, but he does give you the chance. He is young isn't he? Makes a little mistake. Makes a little mistake. But Brentford fantastic result, you know. He don't like Leeds at the duty. He is sinister. Getting a goal for Leeds as well. Wemo and Wisa and obviously Mark O'Rochha. He had reduced it to three two. Hadn't it got to three two and then Brentford stepped it back up. Jesse Mark sent off as well. Jesse Mark sent off. Probably just trying to show everyone his watch. Watch, yeah, proud of what it was. No, we didn't listen. Big win that don't get that. We didn't think about what Brentford sort of, what he could have done to Everton. The opportunities he's missed it. Sort of, they made amends for it. Did me in this game by actually taking those chances and getting those goals. But you might have four nil of course as well. I have to show you, yeah. I've had a four nil on one one on a five silver omen. So basically, brilliant. Newcastle nil, Palace nil, another VAR. You're shooting about this one aren't you? It's awful. It shows you everything that's wrong with VAR and why people start to look at what's going on with it. Newcastle or the gold this or that Leeds on. They have shown their referee an angle that suggests that the Newcastle player has barged into the keeper. But the other angle which he never got shows that he was pushed in the back by the Crystal Palace player who ended up scoring the un goal. And this shows how VAR can be manipulated. By, but not even manipulated. It just comes down to being, the ref being just poor because he's looked at something to time disallow the goal but he's not took the whole picture into it. So he's not gone. I've no point as he crossed his mind that something else might have happened in that box. And by doing that he's managed to disallow a goal and stop Newcastle for me in three points. And it shows you that VAR is great but it's only as good as the people who use it. And if he's only shown their referee one angle and saying this is why it should be, I reckon you should look at this because he's pushed him. And he hasn't looked at the other angle. And I think this is where VAR needs to change. If a fella goes, a ref goes to the screen he should be shown every angle no matter what. There might have been a push or something else in the build up or you might see something else in the build up or to whatever's gone on. And I just think it's so poor, really, really poor and they've admitted they've got it wrong. Well that's great but it doesn't give Newcastle points. It doesn't do anything. In the course of the season that could be huge for the team. Who knows. I just think it's awful. It shows that when people go on about VAR it's this weird that encapsulates everything. It's like no look at that. The fella in the boot hasn't shown the ref the angle and the ref makes a decision based on one angle. Yes, the ref should be shown with the other angle and again because we're not privy to those conversations because we haven't been told what's going on. We don't know. Really poor, really, really poor. It's a tight game now with Newcastle 52% possession. 23 attempts at goal to Palace is 19. Palace actually had more shots on target than Newcastle but ended mill mill. Forest 2 boomer 3 this was a mad one. Forest 2 nail up and cruising. It looked like Coyote, Brennan Jones on penalty in first half stop with time. Give Forest a tune of lead. Phillip Billing, Dominic Slankey and Jaden Antony. Great goal by Billing. Great goal by Billing. So 10 is one and half for Bournemouth. What a wish, David. 9-0, 0-0. 3-2 and I'm finished with a win. Walschgoff Parker the issue. Sackdham and took four points from two games. Wardrobe I think was the issue. It was distracting. Distracting at best. Did people just think he was the captain? Maybe. He wasn't on the pitch and he was wondering why. Too much authority. Mad, but that win. So Bournemouth up to 13. Two wins. Forest second to bottom now. Obviously won early doors didn't he? Gant Westammer on win. The other point it was David and so. Shining another player as well. 22. Shining number 22. Which is never good for anything. Spears, another good win for them. Be full-on, 2-1. Hwyberg and Harry Kane. Put them two up. And Mitrovic got himself another goal. And then a minute later he equalised. Brilliant save from Lloris from a deflection. Rhaithi Arleson thought he had a goal. She walked off. But for Spears another win. And the third. The second with Man City. 14 points. Good start for them under Conti. Wolves beat Southampton 1-0. Daniel Podenton faced off. Stop at the time. They go big win. It will be interesting for the Premier League. It will be. Big win for Wolves. Big win for Wolves. Big win for Wolves. Big win for Wolves. So big win for them. They have had injury issues. Of course they knew Stryker got an ACL for that. He's done. Southampton were the better side. If you look on the chances and stuff. Wolves won it. And we've already done that. On to Sunday was obviously what proved to be great. Last game in charge of Brighton. And what a game it was. Went behind in the opening minutes. 2-2 after 15 minutes. 33 minutes. 33 minutes. And in the atio. Llew Tromers on goal. Because she didn't make it 3-1. Macalester had a goal this allow. Unbelievable goal on it. Unbelievable goal. And then scored a pen. And then scored an absolute well. The free kick. But it's goal this allow. Great goal. As you mentioned. Game as a child. And it's going to be that interesting isn't it? Because he's a manager we've all spoke about for a while. Was he ready? Was he ready for the big job? Well he's got the big job now. And it's going to be really interesting to see how he gets on. And he could be an absolute brilliant manager. If he's allowed to do his job. And allowed to get on with the things he likes to do. He's got a brilliant team there. And it will be interesting to see how Chelsea play. And how they prosper under them. Takes over a Chelsea team 3 points behind this current team. So it will be interesting to see how long Brighton stay ahead by both of them. So it will be interesting to see how long Brighton stay ahead by both of them. For less there. A lot of people thought it would be Brendan Rodgers last game. The weekend they played 6-1 on. 3-1 lost 5. They are struggling I think it's fair to be said. They've got filler at home this week. Which could be a very decisive game for both of those managers. Both managers under a little bit of heat at the moment. Both managers under a little bit of heat at the moment. That's a big game isn't it? That's a big game isn't it? Big game isn't it? It will be interesting to see what happens there. It will be interesting to see what happens there. Just very quickly then on the Champions League. We've already mentioned City 1-4-0 in Seville. Liverpool were beaten 4-1 in Napoli. Liverpool blown a part in Napoli. Liverpool blown a part in Napoli. It was a bit of a surprise. Spears won 2-0 at home against Maasai. You've had Joey Barton in the crowd. With the Maasai fans. It was a bit of a weird, interesting work wasn't it? It was a bit of a weird, interesting work wasn't it? Definitely. Just onto the Champions League. One of the big things that come in was of course, and Chelsea lost in the third dimension. It was the offside. With the chip in the ball. But there's no chip in the ball in the Champions League apparently. Oh okay. That's for the World Cup. Apparently there's no chip in the ball in the Champions League. But there is for the World Cup. But using the new video tech you can detect when the ball leaves the place full. They just don't have that extra thing of the chip apparently. Okay. With the cameras they can't detect it because they've got all the extremities covered in all that. It seemed to work well. There was a couple of examples. It seemed to work well. You see the big sort of kitten. Betul kitten. And you see what's going over the line. Whether it be a tiny toe or whether it be more than a toe. And I know people have got an issue with what is offside and how far offside goes. But what do you do? I know in the stand people go with it it was always supposed to give people the benefit of the doubt. And now it's become an absolute certainty of any of your bodies offside. It's offside. But what do you do? Because I've seen one the other day and it was like yes the toe was over. But then people last week were saying it should only be your foot. Well it is as foot as its toe. How far do you want to go? Do you know what I mean? You want absolute certainty. You've got to have absolute certainty. If you don't you don't. Where do you take it? I know he's not our favourite person. We were clean a said years ago. Where do you want it to stop? The bug goes over the line. What do you want it to be? Do you want it to be over the line or not over the line? Is it the same with offside? I know it can be hard. But at the same time if it's offside someone puts a flag up. And it's consistent. And the technology is doing the job. And we're not getting four minutes while the lines are drawn. Then I've no issue with that. No. We had to do it where it's daylight. But then that becomes the thing, doesn't it? Is the daylight? Then you have to measure the daylight. So I think you probably better just go on your offside. If you're a centimetre offside you're a centimetre offside. That's the way it is. Because we need to be. And then like you said, the next thing for me will be buzzer on the lines on the arm. If you can get that technology to buzz within a second or two we put this flag up. And we all go, it must be offside. Because the things there. So that you get on with it. That's the way it is. Because as a football fan by the way if we have a line and it's there we'll get as many fours as we get against. Fours, sure. Because that's the difference. At the moment, we don't feel that because we don't feel the certainty of it. We don't trust the lines. We don't trust when the ball is being played. Well not when we're told the lines we see are the lines they use. Exactly. So now that we've got certainty if it works and if it comes into the Premier League if we've got certainty we'll get on with it and people will soon forget. Hang on, it's like and now we're all stuck in the thing of you know the lines aren't putting this flag up in time and you've run and crossing over and all that but in things like long jump, where they hit the board or dribble jump, the flag, if you're over it they look at it and go on, the toes over and you go, oh it's a well record but yeah mate, but it's toes over. That just has to be it. And like I said, the more times if I know that that's a finite line and if I go over it by it doesn't matter if it's my toenail it's the lines that put this flag up in the match we'll just see the lines and go up and go oh he's off, oh I thought he was in there you just start doing the same we've done it with the goal line technology it goes over the line or it doesn't go over the line you have a shot if the bar comes out and the referee goes play on you go, it must be close that you go it must be close but you don't go in and the goal line technology didn't see it, you go it must have been close we saw that the Man City Liverpool one a couple of years ago when it was literally Liverpool thought it scored and when you were like the ball wasn't it was close to the champion when you see the goal line technology and you hear people start going well, it's over the line or it's that far from being over the line so it might as well be but it's not, it's not that's the rule and if we start digging about with the rules to a point where it suits somebody then like I said, because all you'll get is well there should be six inches right there's six inches right not about when it's six and a quarter people are still more you can't do it, you're better off going it's fine right and if you're a millimeter in front of the defender you're offside and we all know it then the only mad thing with it is the only mad thing is in the championship it won't be like that it'll still be large in the same way as it is now once you play by different rules but that's just the way it is and you have to get you shifted very quickly if you're offside I honestly think it's brilliant the next thing for me will be develop the technology so you get a buzzer the line and either in his flag more on his arm and when that's there whether it can be automated to go fellas offside he just puts his flag up and they don't have to go which one is it you just put the flag up and goes offside it's done with him if you see a ball go over the top and with him one or two seconds the line and put his flag up you just go cos at the moment we've got the fella running through and he's running through and the ball touches the ball and then the line and put his flag up and the lab might have been running onto a ball for two or three seconds until he touches it so I think you do it make it absolute and go that's where we are let us know what you think in the comments section go to 888 Sports Youtube channel check out the playlist leave your comments on there put comments on about what champions league when you think was the best if you want to but anything we've discussed let us know in the comments section below make sure you subscribe give the video a thumbs up and we'll see you next week bye