 So let's move on to our next topic. This one I don't know if we're going to spend a ton of time on, because it's not really exclusively a Nintendo topic, but I want to talk a little bit about cross-play. Just because I haven't talked about cross-play really since Sony did their whole thing back during E3 about how we had to protect the children. Just I don't know, I hope that guy got fired. What terrible message in that was, I mean it's obvious why they don't want to do cross-play. It's a very obvious thing, but yeah, kind of trash talking a fellow company's ability to protect children when they work with Nintendo just like that. Yeah. So basically cross-play, we know it is happening with at least two titles on Switch in Rocket League and Minecraft. I don't know if it launched with Minecraft yet, I know the Better Together update was coming out. I don't play Minecraft, but I try to pay attention and Rocket League obviously comes out later and that's going to have cross-play at launch. This cross-play isn't just with Xbox, it's also with PC and it's really weird because Sony does openly do cross-play with PC, they even do Minecraft cross-play with PC, but now I wonder what this could be like for PC users when they're doing cross-play. Do they have to choose, do I want to play with PlayStation users or do I want to play with Xbox and Switch users or just not play with them at all. I don't even know how that's going to work or maybe when Sony recently mentioned oh we have cross-play with Minecraft, maybe Xbox is going to be like yeah until we launch ours and then you don't because it's our game and we're cutting it off. Just wondering, I think that's going to be weird for PC users, but Sony has continued to have interesting things happen around cross-play. Probably the most interesting thing is that Fortnite came out recently and at launch somehow don't know who's fault it was whether it was Sony's or maybe Fortnite did it on purpose, the devs did it on purpose and they're just saying oh sorry, our bad. But it had cross-play on at launch between PlayStation 4 and Xbox One. It wasn't on for very long, fans were loving it. There was a lot of positive reception and they were like holy crap cross-play is on and the user bases on both of those systems were like blowing up playing the game together and it's great because there's a lot of people that have friends that own PlayStation 4s or Xbox One, PC users, switches and they want to play together without having to buy multiple systems. I mean as cute as it is at the real reason that PlayStation doesn't do cross-play is because they are the market leader and they want to force people to buy PlayStation 4s away with their friends. Reality is a lot of people don't want to be multi-console owners because it's really expensive to be even though game prices haven't increased you can argue they have with micro transactions and DLC and piece-mealing games. But setting all that aside the base price of video games hasn't changed that much so like publishers are making less money but at the same time that doesn't mean that us out here financially are making a lot more money than we were value-wise. The console prices have jumped. Not really. Actually, N64 was popping out of 300 bucks back in the day. Yeah, the gaming prices have basically been consistently the same for like almost three decades. It's crazy. Really since the Nintendo came to the market it's just it stayed like the same. The game prices were kind of all over the place until the N64 PlayStation 1 era. That's when things started kind of becoming standard. There were still games over $60 but they were rarer defined. Right. 60 kind of became standard and the $20 game started to fade away which kind of sucks that they're back now obviously with indies and everything but so it was on people were loving it and obviously Sony caught wind pretty quickly because they don't want their users communicating with people on other networks. It's just the way it is. Those dirty Xbox players. Those dirty Xbox players. Those children got to protect the children. I think they met the Xbox players. I'm an Xbox player myself so it's yeah I think it's just ironic that how general assumptions are made of certain audiences but yeah I mean come on I'll run a Nintendo thing. I mean I'm the master of oh your audience was all the children. Sure. Yep. Sure. I mean they could be lying on YouTube I guess. They have to since if you're under 13 you're not supposed to be on YouTube. Right. And yeah all those underage YouTubers like oh I'm seven and I have a YouTube channel you legally can't be on YouTube. And then they get mad when they get shut down. Yep. Oh then they're like no it's my parents YouTube channel. So obviously when Sony caught wind of it they shut it down in a hurry. So it literally was like two or three days it lasted. And Microsoft has obviously made lots of comments. Phil Spencer after got shut down said man I wish they keep it on. And the thing is they weren't using Xbox Live or anything so this wasn't like oh we have to use Microsoft's network. They were not they were just using the in-game you know in-game lobby system in-game everything you wouldn't even necessarily know if it's an Xbox player or a PlayStation player you just played with people who played the game. Like the only reason people found one was like yeah I'm playing a match right now with my friend who owns an Xbox and he just not on PlayStation 4. That's kind of how it's spread. Like we're all in one player pool playing together why is this not a thing. Yeah. And my problem I guess with Sony kind of continually standing against it. And I think it's always gonna be my problem is regardless of how justified you might want to think it is because of the market leader and they want to sell PlayStation 4s and it's a smart business decision. There's the lack of consideration for game developers because as much as you could say oh the PlayStation user base is so big they don't need cross play. That's kind of the big argument some people that justify it. We don't need it. We have the obviously Nintendo needs cross play Xbox one's losing so it needs cross play. What about the game publishers that have indie games like Rocket League now Rocket League obviously blew up but you know just smaller indie games that have multiplayer aspects that don't have a big enough player base on any of the systems but if they can combine it all together suddenly they have a big enough player base to make their game more compelling to play. Well I would say the argument for that is you know Sony would be like you know tough. They're just gonna be like you know tough. You're an indie game. You're not a triple A title you know. Yeah Sony is big with triple A titles. So I mean yeah it's messed up to here but I mean like you know what can they do because they can't do anything you know like oh we can. Yeah no I hear you. I feel like at the beginning of the PlayStation 4 era if cross play was a desired thing they might have been willing to do that. Sony I feel like goes in cycles when it comes to PlayStation they go we're really really cocky and know everything and then when things bomb oh okay we'll do whatever we can. You're right exactly yeah. Whereas like Nintendo will just defend everything they do till the cows come home and then one day they change it. It's like oh so you knew it was bad the whole time but no so what are your explanations for why you said it was good before. Well times have changed okay okay but like so every company can kind of get full of themselves. I think Microsoft might have been a little full of themselves when they announced the Xbox one because they just assumed it would be a huge success because of 360 and the fact that they had an early lead even though PlayStation caught up it's kind of like yeah but we were just waiting for Xbox one to come out and they had a lot of mixed messaging and they felt like no one was really leading Xbox at that point. So they kind of get cocky then and it all fell apart in a really bad way because they weren't really uniform. Sony when they get cocky they're really uniformed in all of their messaging like they've consistently you know I mean I remember Yoshida came out and he's just like yeah well you know we're looking into cross-play there's a lot of issues with it both from a technical standpoint even though we have little proof and articles I'll put down in the description where it developed. We haven't running already. They literally just have to say yes and we're good. It's like no work on Sony to do it. Basically Sony has nothing to do with cross-play being available outside of them just saying you can do it. Yeah. So I don't know what's up with that but as proof by Fortnite you think Sony turned on cross-play at Fortnite? No no. Pardon me is wondering if... One of the devs probably did it. It's kind of like a oh let's see what it's like because they're not gonna kick our game. We're a triple A game. They're not gonna kick us off. Well no no pardon me is wondering if like the devs were just testing it and running together and somebody uploaded the wrong version put out the wrong version yeah quote unquote wrong version yeah and forgot to turn it off oops sorry that was that was our that was our demo. I seriously think it was intentional. They're never they can't cop to it because that's just gonna get Sony. Microsoft doesn't care. It's gonna get just Sony barking up a tree at them. Are they gonna really do anything because it is a triple A game and they like they like triple A games they love triple A games they constantly remind us how much they love triple A games. Destiny 2 bundles and everything still paying for time to boost the DLC. So there was DLC that just released for the original Destiny on Xbox that released on PlayStation for like two years ago. It's like come on that's ridiculous. Like Sony when they're in the lead they just get so full of themselves. And what sucks is every time they do it and I hate this for the people who love their products and I even think I want a PlayStation 4 Pro and I want to there's actually like Horizon Zero Dawn and there's actually like a handful of games I really need to need to get the system for when I have the money and I'm going to but I feel bad doing it because I almost feel like I'm supporting Sony when they're at their cockiest right now and when that PlayStation 5 hits or whatever is next you know they're gonna be so cocky about it they're gonna do something wrong and they're just gonna bomb. Yeah cuz that's what they did with PlayStation 3. No they recovered. They did the Nintendo thing. They cut prices and ate losses and eventually got back into the game. They couldn't fix the fact their hardware was too out there for the time but whatever they made it work and you know unlike Nintendo third party stuck by them and they recovered and that's fine. I'm glad they did. I think competition is healthy. I just man this crossplay stuff like I know it might seem like a small thing to a lot of people and I know that Sony is not obligated to give a crap about anybody else but themselves. They are a business just like Nintendo and Microsoft are but for a business that has slogans that say they're all about the gamers and all about the games this business decision and business practice of not allowing crossplay is the literal exact opposite of their global messaging. It's anti-gamer, anti-consumer, it's anti-developer. That's the thing. A lot of people have focused on the gamer aspect. I know they don't care about indie games. Fortnite is not an indie game. And it took a game like Fortnite and someone accidentally enabling it. Who have the balls to do it? Who knew they can get away with it? Because the indie developer did it. The PlayStation 3 is buh-bye. You're off our store because again it's questionable how much they care about indie devs and I'm not saying that they don't have fantastic indie games. Of course they do just like Nintendo and Microsoft do but man you guys have any additional thoughts on this? It's just frustrating. Yeah I really don't. It's just frustrating here right. They had about something up. Yeah man