 Welcome. It's a small enough audience that I probably don't need the microphone, but I'll make use of the microphone just in case Thank you for coming out on a rainy Friday We know I'm sure we're all very thankful for the rain, but at the same time it Sometimes nice to stay home where you're warm and cozy But we do appreciate the fact that you've come out this evening I think we're going to learn a lot and I think it'll be a very interesting presentation To introduce our two speakers tonight. Oh, by the way, I'm Brett Lee I'm have the fortune or misfortune of being the current mayor of Davis I want to introduce Dick Bourne. He's going to be doing the introductions of our two speakers this evening Thank you Brett for that kind introduction I don't know if I need the mic either, but I really wanted to hold on and see if it's a hot mic I better behave because it we're being videoed. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, this is gonna be very difficult First of all, thanks to thanks to all of you for coming out It's I mean, I think I know almost everyone here So it's so wonderful to have the opportunity to to share these two wonderful Frenchmen with many people I already know and I want to We're gonna basically take kind of a look back at the beginning of this event tonight And then a lot of it's gonna be a look forward mostly by by the French But the look back has to do with the fact that 35 years ago Let me introduce these two guys right now Danielle for a Who is a principal at a small? Mechanical engineering consulting firm in the southeast corner of France Came to Davis with a French group that was sponsored by the equivalent of our California energy commission over there and Village homes was even better known then perhaps than now So they were touring village homes and at that time Davis energy group in its infancy was three years old And our office was in village homes So this crazy French guy Wonders with this group through our office and I had learned a little bit of French And so I probably foolishly tried a little of that on Danielle and pretty soon I had invited him over to our house for dinner and we Carol I like to introduce my wife Carol who's been involved with this for a while She cooked up a real dinner. I don't remember whether it was French but Danielle and I cooked up an engineer exchange and so for four years from 1984 until 1988 We had families going back and forth from this Wonderful community and I'm brewing up in the French Alps to Davis and So that was wonderful for our families and I mean I think it changed all the lives of the the Bourne family members it for Carol and me It was the first trip to Europe and Our kids were I think have loved France ever since And it had I think lots of beneficial effects on the on the visiting French folks too who stayed with us in Davis and Judy Corbett when I somehow we got engaged on this possibility of a Futures forum event with these two of her first memory was that That one of these guys was invited down to the Springer cabin near Santa Cruz and the Frenchman beat everyone at Scrabble So we've been playing a little Scrabble the last the last week or so Anyway It Their perspective of course has been European not American, but they've stayed in touch over the years and actually two years ago Danielle Invited and oh I should introduce you borrow me because you've raised your hand Eve was the Scrabble guy and he was the one who went down to the Santa Cruz cabin and showed those skills So two years ago Danielle who has been a major organizer for energy efficiency activities in the south of France invited me to be a speaker at a conference in in Marseille and so I went and Did that and he kindly provided a translator My French had atrophied a lot probably wasn't good enough to begin with. I'm not doing that tonight So I I'll help where I can but their English is pretty good much better than my French So we we hope that'll go well, but I wanted to Give them the opportunity to tell an American audience some of what they've been doing as I was given the opportunity to talk about my forays into Cooling energy efficiency in a dry climate their climates are quite similar so this is a third of three events we've had today the first was a Presentation that Eve made this morning at the sunrise rotary and he was basically focusing on a better building and community rating system that they've Developed that they personally were involved in developing and is spreading through France now that's sort of like lead only much better We went through the lead process, you know for our building in downtown here And it was long and painful and not very it was very little public participation so if there's time at the end Eve may talk a little bit about that, but mostly Danielle is going to Go through He's gonna reminisce a little too. I suspect but I think mostly he's going to Go through a series of actions and activities that are going on in Europe That we can compare with actions that we're taking to combat combat climate change So without further ado I am going to hand the hot mic over to Danielle for a And we'll see what kind of foray he makes Thank you very much dick It's quite a family for me here I'm going to to present for you the French context about Environment I think it would be okay now. Okay And about energy and environmental policies, we have strong and we are weaknesses and The strongest we have only 4.6 tons per capita Of co2, but we are not that great We have a good climate a short distance average population density But the impact of made in China is about three or five tons per capita. So We have to think about The made in China. We have a good railway network, but for how long I don't know We have strong energy Regulations and we have no cold but too many nuclear plants and if you can see this slide You can see that France is making electricity with 70 percent of nuclear plants So it's a big problem for the future and without the nuclear Germany and Great Britain are better than us And we have no oil also. We have no fossil gas no coal, but we have a lot of Central centralization is a French is a French party and Our government has good ideas mainly for Europe But sometimes ignore sometimes major social problem and it was the the increase of the carbon tax The increase of carbon tax led to the yellow vest Yeah, I don't know if you know that the yellow vest a Gilles Jaune and For us it was a big problem because we must stop the increasing of this tax Fortunately we have a lot of professional associations and they are helping to progress Eve's and me are member of Association in the south of France is the name is on the robot But the France is not alone. We are in the Europe California is in the US and then France is in Europe and France is only one of the prayers and Europe Helps us They vote the end of life for that round up They vote end of electric fishing fishing. It was a Dutch Treat for fishing. It was crazy Europe vote the carbon tax, but now it's between 20 and 40 euros per Tone according according the country We have aviation tax. We fight against lobbies we reduce the coal and we vote the end of fracking and We have a strong increase in building regulation and in 2020 the end The eb nearly the nearly zero energy building is coming and We have a target of 95 grams of COD CO2 per kilometer for auto producer next year in 2021 I Give you an example if you have 50% of your production in 105 grams of CO2 the other 50% must be 75 and the average level in France is now 110 so we have progress to make Europe is also investment for Energy The forecast is 1 trillion euro over 10 years according to the new president of Europe Elected this this summer But Green Party thinks that we it will require 10 trillion As much as for the subprime crisis who costs in Europe 8 trillion euro and The last good It comes when we arrive in in in Davies the last good new is the European bank He's going to stop to lend money for coal mine or for research and And for oil. Yeah, so it's a good new for us so we have to to fight the reality and for us France in in 2003 the Higher temperature war were inside France Not Among among the along the coast but inside it in the inside this is a country Is that I'm sorry It's like yeah, it's a incremental value. Yes, maybe But Europe it's also biking You have a big map and you can go by bike from the north of Finland to the south of Spain But it's almost dawn, but maybe in two or three years. It will be complete I'm sure dick and coral are going to use this path With us I so So in March 2020 we have election for council All the council will be a renew and so it's time for new ideas And it's why I am here tonight But We are going to show you a lot a lot of different proposition but remember that ecology and social justice must work together but our government sometimes he is He's forget and this Axiom maybe I can tell So I begin with the biodiversity safety and Earth Paris tried to recreate a urban forest all around the tour Eiffel It's a big project with the actual Mario And he dalgo, I think it's a good project and we must support her and Leon work about fresh city and water management They try to measure the temperature before and after with a chain you changing the The characteristic of the soil and Marseille ban heavy fuel oil with high sulfur content for ships arriving at port Now it's already done for all the port of the north France and today in the information I Read that Iceland is going to To do the same thing Iceland in the north of Europe but Iceland is not a member of European community, but maybe one day This city the city of said I know I don't know if you know George Brazins But he was he was People of said in the south of France so before this land was going to be destroyed by the sea so they decide to to to protect the coast with Planting herbs and building a bike a bike lane here. You can see I took I took this picture This this summer because I took this this lane. It's a very nice very nice and Some city are banning chemicals within 150 meters of houses the first was city was languid in Brittany, but now they are more than hundred cities It's a big problem because 150 because France is a very Little countries of 150 meters It's a long distance between the fields and the city and the town so They are they are discussing a lot between the farmers and and the mayors in The commune the city of one start to its nearly 100% of the school cafeterias are organic or local and local food But since is this past month in November 2019 20% Of the food will require in all will be Organic in all the French schools 20% it's maybe one day per week Or maybe 20% of the food, but I it's more difficult Maybe at the end of the the meal the apple could be organic But in the city local vegetable pollution with restaurants compost are Going to be used It's going to be used in Brianson Brianson. It's a city close on one. It's very It's a city very high. So In winter you have a lot of snow. So they they must use greenhouses And the city of Brianson has a network of about 120 kilometers of watering channels feeding agriculture and This picture was was taken Maybe five kilometers Higher than Brianson It's it's I think it's not It's not good to to walk by this place You prefer to to walk the year and that the channel is here At least some cities are reducing public lighting at night to stop pollution And for saving energy, but I know that Davis has dark sky lighting already Second part is the transportation We have now a city on environmental lab label who forbid access to vehicles above Two or three label for example Leon Grenoble Marseille Montpellier level one is electric or hybrid level two is the cars after 2011 level three is after 2006 and so on But you can say I have an old car Like the car of dick 23 years. I think I What are you doing with my old car? So the the city of Montpellier built 4,000 places parking parking places and With a very low price the price is only five dollars a day including Transportation in the city for all the passengers So if you have an old car You park all around the city and after you take Public transportation Some cities offering free public transport. It's it's gap gap. It's a city near Ambron So we have a very nice country and Dunkirk is in the north of France and they said then it's more It's a it's a most important important cost to ask for money than to sound to give a free transportation, but I'm not sure it's true but with free transportation they the There were more people using Public transportation Sometimes we have a long a Strong development of bypass for example in Sassbourg, Grenoble, Nantes, Paris but I dance I Have nothing to do to to say because Davis I think it's already the first in the world about Bicycle and I see this Information in internet still platinum you see Davies again her tops bicycle and I send to to To you I sent to you as his morning information about Davies. I think you are very At the top And we have in France Electrically assisted bicycle If you don't push on the pedals it you don't you don't go on so you need a battery and the motor here and And now Certain cities vote subsidized to buy This bicycle up to 50% around Paris It's it's a good It's a good deal. I think So we are going to see the energy and building we have now a Network of zero energy territories you have to see we have the map here The network is Sometimes a city for example here but sometimes it's a department and Sometimes it's a region and They try to arrive to be zero energy at about 2030 instead of 2040 because 2040 it's the target of European community Other cities are requiring BDM or QDM label. It's it was a label label than if Eve Spoke this morning and if you want if you need information you can answer to you later And in this village a solar energy production cooperative is going to be plugged You are you can see the plug here So it's a it's a great moment for the for the picture And you can see that PV solar now the price is $20 for megawater and nuclear plant is $120 per megawater, so it's six times more and this price is the price of the the nuclear plant sold by sold by friends to England It's the first time friends is making a good good business Maybe it will be the ones Because I'm not sure it will be work Because you have a lot of problems in France with nuclear plant and during the life and and at the end of the life For example if you broke this PV solar you you don't You don't have to wait for 1,000 years to have the temperature decreasing But for nuclear and plant you you must wait a long time And now cities can buy energy from a green cooperative We have we have a cooperative whose name is in a cop and And a cop is buying only hydraulic wind or solar energy So you it's it's a little bit more expensive, but you are sure it's not nuclear or coal or Gas or oil and in my city my village Ambrun he used local wood to heat with the district eating system 300 dwellings and 24 public buildings We have a big big storage of wood and the wood is broken like that and after this this the wood is coming to the big boiler and this big boiler has a big filter and it works very well and This energy is a local energy You don't have to pay petrol to Arabia or Syria or you you pay wood to the farmer five kilometers close so I the priandola I think I Have to calculate and now and now I am retired so it's more difficult I think it's more than is it's more than PV. It's more than PV. Yes four centimeters No, but that's not four centimeters. It's two It's made the kilowatts is two centimeters. No, maybe later Yeah, when Eve was will be speaking I can calculate Hmm So finally We we know that the effective democracy leads to solidarity and Sustainability and we have a lot of examples about these stems First it's homes for all in France. We are obliged to build 20% of the housing with social housing But in this article it's written cities have problems to to respect this this law But sometimes they have these these one is 22 But after the one is only 11 knees for example, it's it's 11 only because you have a lot of people rich people in this and Also work Housing homes and work. I think it's the most important in your life Work for everybody. It's a group of cities The this group of city are aiming for zero long-term unemployment. It's it's a new experience and if you want you want more information where you can go to this link For example in Britain is this village of peepery arc is creating jobs for disabled people It's it's an example Other city can create me zone the farm house of women to protect them for violent companions you have maybe Maybe five hundred house houses like that It's a it's a problem in France Because we have a lot of macho Share the decision in this country It's my country when I was young Le Gers, it's a very nice country with a wine good wine and the good Le Co the name is Armagnac and in my country And you have a participatory budget of about five percent of the budget So this year it's it's one million euro last year and this year is one point five million euro and People is voting for you have a lot of projects and people is voting and This year 30% of the population was voting It's it's enormous and they vote and after This council can Give the money to builders and I don't know for you for example They they they buy her horse They buy horse to work In the vineyards They buy a camping car to Make information of the public in a little village and to decentralize the the administration a lot of things like that and The people is very interesting and now the mayor of Paris and Ildago projected to To to do the same thing next year save money or citizen in France. We have a French paradox The water is sometimes private water and sanitation is private crazy friends So we have to really municipally Municipal, I don't know you can see the water and sanitation and In me my city Ambron, they they did it and the price decreased from 30% the next year and And they can they can do works more works than before with the private firm and The water is very good Protect the downtown inhabitants. It's a it's a national action The name is curdeville city heart and Help by the cities and the chambers of commerce is the action wants to balance large area stores and downtown you have subsidized to rent a store in downtown and And they limit the area of the supermarkets because if you if you If you sell a product in a supermarket the impact about the workers is less if If you want this product in a store inside the city So if all the supermarket will be inside the city You can create a lot lot of jobs Maybe we you can't pay something more But you have a lot of jobs Created by this action It difficult to understand for people who has no money But I think it's a it's a good orientation in France now because we have too much supermarket and I don't know if you know this movie Sorry, we missed you from Kenloch. Do you know Kenloch? Yes, it's a it's a it's a English producer and It's about this guy working for firm like Uber and is carrying parcels with a big track and he's working from five o'clock in the morning to eight o'clock to the the afternoon and And it was impossible for him to see his family and His wife he's going to To go away. It's it's very Very difficult to understand Because with the uber systems the benefits is only for uber and not for this guy and In France we have a big Analysis about this situation In England also, I think uber is forbidden now in London Maybe the next one, I don't know connecting people to the culture in my county The move the cinemas were very old and was closing each each other. So The county decided to give a subsidized to an association the name is Cine Trandeux 32 and with this money they buy 15 old cinemas and Now you have volunteers for the service and the price is very low you have between three and eight Euro per movie And I think you have you have not conflicts No, it's not conflicts cinema is you eat Kissi man show cinema Popcorn you have not pump you have not pump corn But it's better, but but when you have a guy eating popcorn during the cinema you can you you can understand Yes, and it smelled not really good. Oh Yes, I have to conclude. Yes Some of these exist in Davies are your pants You I think Davies is a very nice country and we French we have a lot of things to learn here So we can do an exchange We make we made an exchange with digme. Maybe we can make an exchange between cities of city of Davies and maybe another in France, but it will be difficult to to find City like Davies because you are formidable And I can't conclude that Europe and California agree on climate Together, let's work to keep the Paris agreement. It was the COP 21 and actually we have the COP 25 In Madrid it was in Chile But because the because the strikes it's in Madrid But it's it is the COP of Chile and we can do This we can work together to make progress. I just note That in the COP 21 here you can see a Very light presence of woman. I don't know where she is Maybe one who won here and I'm sure The presence of woman is a project is a guarantee of reason or reasons. I think I think I don't know if you agree Here you have a lot of woman. So we have the same roots Should we have the same roots and to reduce energy and conception of rules us and to avoid this picture European Parliament declares global climate emergency one week ago. It was 28 of November It's finished It's not really finished, but you can download this document made by Adam Adam was the Organized organization who financed the trip I'm I'm I'm made in 1984 It's it's kind of California Energy Commission, but it's French, but it is in French and here you have another Document in England in England in English sorry and made by the European Commission It can give you mr. Mario. I can give you the the power point and you can maybe you can deliver to your population If you want So if if and me we even I we can respond to the question But now I am tired I'm trying to give you an answer of the price So the when we sell a heating in collective networks like that There are two parts of the price one is a fee. So an annual fee. It depends of the Power you ask to the network so if you Earn a lot of power so it could it cost you more than it's a few and After there is a part which is proportional to the consumption so it's about I think $45 per megawatt or something like that with wood energy but you have to Approximately multiply by two with the fee so the fee is about a 50% of the cost of Total cost of the energy when you are connected to a network but You don't have to buy a boiler So it's it's an economy, you know sometimes you have to have an heat exchanger or about all that mix The flow of heat coming from the network and the flow you destroy you of your own distribution another question presentation, so if you wanted to You may fall not stale To talk about a clear We'll have a copier before Well, they mentioned the city of Brion song several times, which is a if you drive East from Ambrune Up the mountain you're you're almost to Italy when you come to Brion song, which is the it's the It's the highest city in Europe And it's so it's a wonderful city But above the city proper There sits this old fortress that was used in World Wars one and two We understand well mostly to I think but it's abandoned and so We were there in in 1985 for these two months and our anniversary came along and I invited Carol for a evening out in Brion song And with dinner, but when we got up there it was this beautiful sunny day and we saw this we saw this fortress up above the city and Decided that we would hike around the fortress to build our appetites and then After the walk we would go to dinner So It was a very interesting old place and we it took us I don't know and an hour or so to get halfway around it and Then the other half became virtually impassable and there was one of us who had the wisdom to suggest We should go back and one of us who did not And guess which one was more forceful so by the time we got Around through that on that torch was passed so that we could get downtown to Debrion song for a dinner everything was closed It was getting dark and luckily there was a street vendor selling pizza So we had pizza on the street for our anniversary and I Still remember very clearly that event from 34 years ago And I doubt I don't think Carol is exactly let me forget it It's not the not the only incident of its sort In our background should I hand this back over to you now? Are you ready not quite? Okay, I'll tell another story So we had this engineer exchange going on and as I mentioned You know we had these French engineers coming to work at Davis energy group for two month periods while they're Families played and when we went to Ambrune it was the same in reverse and my family was playing and I was working trying to work in French in the Adre office in Ambrune and The weather was very nice and Briance. I'm Briance and Ambrune sits up on this bluff It's about a 300 foot high cliff and looks across the Durant River Valley to these beautiful mountains beyond Then off to your right little ways. There's this man-made reservoir called Serre-Ponceau which and I think Serre-Ponceau might have been the original windsurfing capital of the world and So we would work in the office, you know and get there a decent time in the morning and work until noon And then there would be a two-hour lunch break Because that's what they do in France and we get back to the office about two o'clock and then about 330 or 4 I'd hear either Danielle or Eve starting to mutter Levent Levent and That means the wind and so it meant that the wind was sweeping up the Durant River Valley, and it was time to go windsurfing So the office would clear out The engineers would don their windsurfing costumes and go out and windsurf and come back, you know Two hours later and work until 8 p.m. So I don't want to suggest that you know these were just Folks the engineers who were playing all the time they worked as hard as the engineers at Davis energy group But they manage their time much more effectively. I will put it that How are we doing over here? Leslie zero Leslie actually I mean we've done some long tours But they've been ones that we sort of plan there are some countries that have wonderful Well-marked Bicycle networks. I mean I think the one that made the biggest impression on us was the Czech Republic Because they have all these bicycle routes and road signs and it's and some of it's on roads and it's off-road But I was thrilled to see this Euro network Showing up that would be really fun. I haven't really interrogated them as to whether much of that is off-road Or whether it's a combination of on-road and off-road. We're not doing so badly with that in this country I don't know how many of you participate in the rails to trails Charity or nonprofit, but they're working really hard to create To you know to convert unused railroad trails to bike Sometimes paved sometimes, you know, just Dg not not asphalt or concrete paved trails, but some of those are wonderful and that they have I think 50% of a cross-country Bike path off-road bicycling route finish now So they're driving hard to get the get the last 50% of that. So we've ridden some of those but It's possible we're having technical difficulties here I actually invited our son Ben who's Lived for a year and after our family was there in 85 bent one back as a rotary exchange student in 1988 oh Okay, sounds good Okay, great. I was just gonna introduce Ben because he was the translator I invited but these guys they didn't need it They got their points across and maybe maybe it's right Okay back to business So It's just to show you What is an application that we did After the impulsion we had when we came here so first we Worked on computers But after we think it was good to develop a special approach of Sustainable buildings in our country in our countryside, you know I'm going ahead It's based on a collaborative approach, you know when Usually when you are working to reach a label You you have Evaluation and you are working alone and it's something like to go to an exam an exam, you know, it's not something which is easy to do and where you Work with pleasure so we try to change things and to base our approach in on the working of inter professional groups and We also imagine something which is evaluate at several steps design construction and occupancy so three steps in the life of the building and a system that increase the Frame by Integrate the results of the evaluation so we increase our model By the time BDM BDM is building Sustainable building in Mediterranean climate So We have an evaluation framework That depends of the type of the building so we are it's a Residential or commercial or institutional or industrial buildings with a framework is not exactly the same the type of work new construction renovation or Renovation with occupancy Which the approach is quite different if that if it's a renovation without any occupants and just you can transform the building and Difference also with Context urban area suburban area or rural area and climate in Our country. It's a little like California. You have several kind of climate Mediterranean so it's close to the coast Mediterranean interlon so just a little bit inside like Here Middle mountains or high mountains we have that for climate in our countryside The global assessment assessments is in the seven topics project management Materials you use it for the construction and especially with the new regulation in France we involve carbon impact of the construction so that enforces reflection on materials and need that material has to be evaluated to Use a good, you know value to integrate their impact water management social and economy territory Energy management and well-being and health which is very important for example of for the school project you have to think about the high quality inside and not to introduce too much pollution with Inside the material of the building so as you I told you three steps design Building acceptance and occupancy at least two years to evaluate the project So that approach need to the help of a BDM coach. So it's a professional Which is part of the team project that guide all the people To follow to reach the criteria and to follow the main frame of our approach We had we have a full level deduction of the assessment frame which is a maximum of 90 points you can add a maximum of 10 points for the sustainable integration And the maximum of five points for the innovation So the four level Correspond to 20 40 60 or 80 points in the totality of the evaluation you have to Consider that The BDM approach is more efficient than regulation regulation is a basic buildings and BDM Buildings are more efficient than basic buildings it's to encourage Building teams to do better than Regulation and try to reach near zero energy buildings Our approach is also based on the part participatory Guarantee system that means that team buildings Can be confused to use that term like that the all the people involved in the building Must be volunteer must accept to present a project in front of the public and must accept to be evaluate and See tall tall and discuss about the evaluation. So you have to certain approach of the your profession to To be agree to be involved in such approach in concrete terms, so we you we use lots of working groups in the method of conception and We present the the project in each level in front of Commission and the public which assists to the Commission so we call that BDM Commission and it makes a lot of discussion about the project and The Commission is con it you can see eight people here, which is the Commission that Do that give the evolution point on sustainable Don't remember and on innovation sustainable Doesn't matter the result we have we in the evolution in the BDM approach is that there are 495 project now in the South France and more than the 100 in occupation step and That is a 1,000,000 and 700,000 square meters So it's quite a lot of square meters and that involves also more than 10,000 participants include all the team the construction and All the contractors and all the people that participate to that all that project Any QDM approach is something with that concern that it's quite new that concerns land the area approach, you know we in our reflection we think that we have to develop such approach for the areas and your urbanism because it's more efficient to to search Sustainable goals for the building when you are constructing the building on an area that have an approach to give lots of change to do sustainable buildings and also that involve all the topics which concerns the area like Water management for the raining water Soft mean of Transport Was the place of the car which we not we not invade all the space and things like that All that those topics are developed in QDM approach. Ah, yes. Yes. Yes Vepa The map on the side French map explain that from our part of France we The Billion approach is developed also in other Part of France. So this is where we are Monaco also Develop his own demarch so it's a state little little state, but big big big economy This is Occitanie so another French countryside Akita Akita, so which and Paris region so in the those four five with us and Monaco five part of France such Approach are developed, but which are Every approach is different of the other because the climate is not the same in such parts so we have to To fix the requirement to differently than from one to the other and that's make the profession of Involving the construction develops some common resources and develop all this are also some Increase of professional qualification, you know all that demarch the discussion we have the exchange and The work in progress we we do Give a lot for the professional Just some example and I will finish One this one I choose it because it's a small realization near ombre which is symbolic for This meeting it's a quarter of a fire Man of the of this place And we have to develop this project very quickly because it's an a touristic area and we cannot do a long work inside In that place so It is You can see No when you cannot see it's It's a golden level So it's a more efficient Level of the building we can have in bidet approach because it's on a concrete Basement and with a way of wood frame construction over it and a very very good insulation so the heat Needs are very very low and they are provided by Wooden boiler so boiler elemented by wood and also PV energy for the electricity so it's nearly zero energy building and This was up The site before the construction in July 2017 and this is the site with a construction in July 2018 so it's go quite fast for a concrete basement and Building in France perhaps in United said I know you are working more faster than in France. It's not so So quick and This example is for the QDM approach. So you can see an area of land Where the QDM approach was developed? So a reflection about the roads The connection to the city and to the transportation means so this is a railway station The parking place for the car just on the side of the area and Then in the area there is no car. You can go, you know To the buildings, but you can park You have not a lot of car in the in the area. So it's just our park there And there is also some place of a visitor park. So I don't remember where is it And you have a reflection about Vegetations management of rainwater and things like that Try not using too much unburied pipe, but you know a Movement on the site like in Village Home to to conduct the water Over the floor and in that area Building has to be BDM silver. So this is the first BDM silver Construction in the block A on the area which is a housing building And you can see it's face south with lots of vegetation that lose their Leaves yes in winter and Make a shadow in the in the summer and and think like that and Also ground cover with vegetation that Make it not too hot in the summer And there is also in that landscape. There is an interesting Water management because it is an old agricultural area with canal like Daniel was shown in Beyonce that's what The approach we developed after you know The thing we've seen here and the reflection that we developed after help us very well to think about all that Things thank you very much So, thank you. So we're gonna open it up for questions from the audience The only favor that I ask is if you keep your questions Succinct and to the point Not that this crowd would do that, but we've had a couple of futures forums where people ask a ten minute long question and then have sort of answered the question themselves and Anyway, so let's see if do we have any questions for either of the presenters this evening Actually before we go there. I'll just want to thank the presenters, but also the Davis Futures Forum for hosting this event So So I saw a hand go up, but did you yes? Well, apparently this is being a videoed so Yeah, I just love to hear you guys elaborate a little bit about storage so that's one of the challenges we're having here in California and the and your grid management and how how the grid and storage How you how you can if get storage and grid to work together with these projects Electricity yeah, like the the the electricity system and yeah In France we have a great electricity network and so First PV system Was just in time to sell all the electricity to the networks But it was to encourage the development of PV now it changed and You know, it's more for housing offices or You know buildings Auto consumption way which is Privilege So You you have to think how you can consume is the electricity you product, but you can sell as the extra To the networks, but not with the same price and before so there are Solution to store the electricity which are developed On the but you you you have to you know Design as a the system That with not too much power otherwise, it's very difficult to store electricity. It's Great expense and also it doesn't last a long you know battery you have to replace them and So now for buildings it's more auto consumption solutions that are developed in France and You can also see big installation but They are just selling everything to the networks and it's not the same way. It's a kind of competition that The edf so it's energy poor society that Develop competition to have the less price to to the electricity PV are buying After all those like in our cop also they develop their own project So it's company, but small company is that develop renewable resources to provide electricity so any other questions so I Assume the cost per Megawatt that you showed or that that were shown word construction costs as opposed to operations costs. So once you have a nuclear plant It's you know built You know then then you have operations costs. So I guess the question is In France, what's the comparison between the operations costs and for the new The ongoing costs for the nuclear plants You know or are or any of the nuclear plants going to be demobilized if operations cost exceed that for PV it's very difficult to answer that question because We don't know the total cost of a nuclear plant they provide money to stop them and destroy them but there is no One nuclear plant in France with which is completely destroyed and Recycling they just are looking how they will do That's incredible. You know we have now nuclear plants that are stopped for you know about 20 years and They're not destroyed and not So we don't know the cost through the real cost of a nuclear plant Very much enjoyed your talk. You mentioned subsidizing rent to keep the shops in the town We have a problem with vacancies in the town who owns the shops So that they can control the rent or do they use a tax strategy our vacant parcel is Private So what is the strategy that is used to subsidize? to keep those shops in the town productive and occupied It's subsidized to rent the shop to private people During maybe three months six months until 12 months just for the beginning The the empty shop is owned by your private pet people. Yes It's a market because if you have a lot of stores Empty empty stores the market is going to be Very low. Yeah to decrease So if I'm understanding the question So the subsidy does it come from the local government to assist the private owner in keeping The rents low for that initial period or where is the subsidy coming from subsidy is going to the to the The operator of the shop. Yes, but from for example, is it from the the building owner? Or is it coming from the municipality? It's come from municipal and Chamber of Commerce and but for example, if if you have an owner who want to rent about I'd $2,000 a month for example The Commission said it's too expensive. I can give you 50% of the off $1,000 for this this area so you are that they have they have maximum they have rates and But sometimes it works You have in because you have a lot of stores empty stores in the cities and after People are it's impossible for old old old persons to go to to buy food So it's important to add the The the commerce So any other Questions it's a good idea for yeah, that's possibly an idea. You have the problem. Yes. I understand. Yes So so I have a question which is somewhat For for either of you so I noticed in England for instance when homes are for sale So I mean your your rating system is good upon the construction or refurbishment of a building But I noticed that in England whenever a residence is for sale. So any home It has its own individual energy rating based upon an assessment of The actual building whether it's insulation the heating method things like that So as a person shopping for to purchase a home they look Even though the buildings on the exterior the houses might look the same on the exterior One might have an energy rating of C another one might have an energy rating of E Because one has invested in higher quality insulation higher quality furnace things of that nature We don't have anything like that here Do you have a similar system in France? Yes, and if there's anybody in the audience who might like to bring that rating system to Davis as a pilot I Am sure that we can find some support to do that because this I believe is something that could be done in Months from now as opposed to years from now So we also have System like in England so you are obliged before you want to sell House or Flat to do an evaluation you have several you know expertise experts that have to to Come to your home one about energy evaluation. So There is a method that Can give you an evaluation a b c d e f g And then you have to you know communicate when you You are publishing and announced to sell your home what level you have in energy evaluation But there are lots of discussion about Because you can have a theoretical approach or a practical approach But the practical approach with energy Expenses it depends on how you use your home and and the theoretical approach use a conventional Scenario To to say with the conventional scenario we will be Have an expense of that level. So your evaluation is a B or C but I think it now is it's getting better and Last information we we had is you could have a difference of 30 percent of the price of the same For the same area you could have 30 percent difference of the price of the selling Selling price for the building because the energy So it's a it was written in negawatt system And you also have other countries that have Such approach for example we in our approach Bdm there Inevaluation after two years of use. So you are practical results with a real scenario of use and There are also in Switzerland Swiss Switzerland, you know label that also are based on Evaluation in use and the Building in that level in in Switzerland are sell sell more expensive than the other and the but Swiss people said but we want we agree to come to Build a more efficient, but it cuts more and they calculate If it's was a good bargain, you know to have a more sustainable house and it cost those More you sell more than we you expand with a good Sustainable building. Yes So before we go to follow up questions from the same people, I'll just make sure that Everyone's had a chance to answer ask a question that wishes to so we'll Go here Do you know where the wood is actually grown that you're using for your energy systems? The reason I ask is it? Recently very recently. I think this week. It's in the newspaper that North American wood is actually being shipped to Europe and environmentalists are beginning to get upset about that Do you know where your wood is being grown? So There are several problems in small plants like the one which you we showed to you So wood is grown on the area. It's sure and it's contracted by the community to help the farmers to yes but For example, European Commission European system Gold every country to produce with renewable energy a certain amount of the electricity and There are big companies that said we convert coal plant or To wooden sources To produce electricity those that makes a very huge Conception of wood and they have to you know buy it in Australia in Canada and Make them come by ship. Marseille is a big arbor so the plant is in garden close to Marseille and they use wood that come from away because They can it's too much consumption for the countryside, you know So that's not Yes, it's some things like like the market low But it's not an environmental law if you But solar is just come from you the sky And the wind from the air Wood can be in the area or very far and if you Integrate the cost and carbon impact of the transportation it's perhaps it changed the impact enterprise So I think you're willing to stick around At the end if people would like to come up and say hello to you. I'm assuming that so why don't we thank our speakers tonight and Thanks again to the Davis Futures forum for hosting this event and I think our speakers will be quite happy to stick around and answer any questions that you may have that you would like to ask them Individually, thank you