 So we have the Vodafone booth right here and who are you? My name is Kate Arthlis-Gray, I'm head of communications at a German space start-up called PT Scientist and we're running Mission to the Moon. So it's called MissionToTheMoon.com with dashes in between, right? We have dashes in between. So MissionToTheMoon.com. If you just google MissionToTheMoon or if you go to PT Scientist.com you'll find all of the information there. And you are, what's going on here? Are you actually going to the moon? Let's start at the beginning. So yes, this is going to happen. This is a real Mission to the Moon. Is it real stuff? What you see on the left here is our real size. So this is a one-to-one engineering model, structural engineering model of our Alina spacecraft. Okay. And this is what we're going to send to the moon with two Audi Luna Quattro rovers inside. So rovers? Yes. So one of the things that we want to do with this mission is actually we want to return to the Apollo 17 landing sites and get the first high-quality images of the original lunar roving vehicle. Really? We're going to land there. It's been, we're going to do that very carefully. That's awesome. Because then the flat earthers or whatever they call the moon deniers they can have proof that unless I'm going to tell you they're going to tell you that you can tell pictures in another studio. So Gene Cernan who sadly passed away now is one of the Apollo 17 moonwalkers and actually on his way to the moon he did say that he could confirm the moon was round. But apparently they still don't believe him. The flat movers? Yeah. But I'm not sure about that. Okay. Anyway, so this is our spacecraft and we are partnering. We have two key technology partners in Audi who are helping us with the rovers and Vodafone who are helping us with the communications on the lunar surface. Is it complicated? Is it not going to be easy? Space is hard. Space is always hard. Even using the moon we can see it from here. We can see it but I mean... It's not here to communicate to it. Have you ever tried walking there? No. So one of the things we have to do is that our rovers are quite small and they're going to be collecting an awful lot of data. This is size one to one. It's just a mock-up of the rover. And actually I have here one of the wheels that we'll be using. What's special about this? Does it understand the way to do the movement of the wheel? This is, actually the really nice thing about this is that it's 3D printed from aluminium. And the reason that we've done that is that it's incredibly light and with a 3D printing process you can... I don't know if you can see inside here but all of these ridges are actually hollow so we're saving a lot of weight. So actually you are actually going to 3D print the moon rover? About 80% of the structure of the lunar rover is 3D printed from aluminium. Yeah, for the real deal. And that's one of the things we're working with Audi on. But when this rover here in the front you can see these kind of size in the front. They actually have cameras. And then we're taking HD video from the lunar surface. HD or 4K or no? HD, brother HD. I'm not sure. It would be great to have some 4K footage from the moon. That would be great to have for the moon. Well, if we're trying to get the proper... How soon is it going to launch? So we're hoping to launch at the end of next year. That soon? Hopefully. So you've been working on this for a while? We've been working on this for about 10 years now. Because you just said start-up. When they first began, it wasn't really so much of a company. They were called originally the part-time scientists. And they were inspired by the Google Lunar X Prize. So this Google-sponsored X Prize was to land a rover on the moon, drive 500 meters, and then send HD video back. But it's there. Well, we have now created it. But why did they give you the $20 million? Because it's not on the moon yet. Because we actually have extended our mission to do more than just... If you're going all the way to the moon, don't just like drive 500 meters and stop. So we've actually included scientific payloads on our mission. We have a payload rack on the side. So on the other side of Alina. So what's going to be there? So over here as well. It's your choice really. If you would like to send some payload with us, you can do that. So this is a... I'll give the cells some space. Yeah. These are CubeSat... Sorry, it's a CubeSat size box. So it's a 10 centimeter cube. This is a very standard format now in satellites. And one of the things that has made space a little bit more accessible is these very small satellites, nano-satellites. So even like students at university are able to design their own satellites. Much cheaper than a huge, you know, billion-plus kind of thing. But all this lovely data that we're collecting with our lunar rover, it's very expensive to send that data when it's expensive, I mean, in terms of power budget. Like sending all of the data back down to Earth from the rover, it needs a lot of power. And our small little rover doesn't have that power. So we're going to work with Vodafone to create the first... Base station. The first 4G LTE base station on the moon. Nice. And what that allows us to do then is to take the data from the rover, all this HD video, all this scientific data that we're collecting, we can take it from the rover, send it back to our base station, Alina, which is our lander, and Alina, which is not moving anywhere, has much larger solar panels, much more power, and can send all of that data back down to Earth on Earth. So what's the range of the 4G LTE in the moon? Well, that's... I'm afraid you think the rover's going to go. We actually have a very interesting conference, first conference is coming up tomorrow, so I can't tell you too much more. I'm just tomorrow right now. Okay, so how about this? Is this part of your project right here? Also, you're going to have a... that's up for the moon, right? That's not a moon. I just do the moon. So... Come on, the moon is not enough. Of course, this is awesome. What are we looking at in here? So these are propellant tanks. So this is our whole lander, landing legs, propellant tanks, payload, racks, solar panels, and of course the... Don't they need to be separated somehow for some kind of... that's how everything is... I leave that bit to the rocket scientists. The rocket scientists have calculated everything? Yep. All right. So next year, end of next year, are you going to launch on a SpaceX? Yeah, so we decided that having built our own lander and built our rovers, we didn't need to go ahead and build our own rocket, because it's, you know... This is rocket science. This is hard stuff. And why, brother, when there are already companies out there, they actually have a business in selling launches. So for example, a SpaceX. So these guys can help you buy a launch, right? So we're... So we're going to be probably on a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket. And what that will do is it will take our spacecraft up into Earth orbit. And from Earth orbit, Alina under its own propulsion will take itself into lunar orbit before landing softly on the moon and releasing off to another rovers. Soft landing on the moon? Yep. So it says under here some of the stuff it says, bring back Apollo. Apollo? That's one of your slogans, right? Well, we're returning to Apollo. Return to Apollo. So yeah, the last time that humans were on the moon was back in 1972. And we actually want to land in the same kind of area that they landed so that we can get the first, as I said, the first high-definition pictures of the lunar-roving vehicle. It's been sitting on the moon for 45 years and we just don't know what status it is. Is it still in one piece? Is it all collapsed? They were covered in dust. We want to find out the information. There's no moon with... But there is, in fact, one of the experiments that we might be taking up is to look at potentially how there could be lunar dust kind of swirling around depending on the electrostatic charge on either side of the terminator. So there's the line between day and night. So what's the success? For this one, how long does it need to last for it to be success? If we land on the moon, I mean that's the success. That is something that nobody has... No private mission would have ever done and we are a fully commercial mission. We're not NASA, we're not ESA. This is a fully private mission. So that would be a success. So the PT Scientist HQ is actually in Berlin and that's where we have our lunar test bed, our facilities, that's where our offices are. That's where we're going to have our mission control for the mission. Do you have the support from the guys? No, as I said, this is a private... This is primarily a private planet initiative. We are of course open to working with other space agencies if they would like to send some payload with us. That's something that we look to do. Of course, in future, we hope to be the infrastructure provider for the moon. So yeah, for transport and also for communications. If we can put LTE on the moon, that means that future missions, they don't need to recreate the wheel, they don't need to recreate their own communication structure. They could actually just tap in and use LTE. How about the 2022 holiday vacation destination potentially for you? I would love that. I would very much love that. I would love that. At the moment, we're just a fully robotic mission. Of course, I would love to be the first one on the moon. I think that's probably going to be a Chinese lady, but we'll see. I think if you successfully land this one and the rover march, you have priority on the lunar march, the rest of the potential passengers. Unless he decides that he wants to do it first. He's really interested in Mars. Of course, the moon too. So because the Mars rovers, they were supposed to just work for like, I think it was something like three months. Now it's been working for ten years. They got really lucky with the wind on Mars, sweeping all the dust off the solar panels again. So it could happen. That was unlikely to happen on our mission, actually. So the length of our mission, for this initial mission, we're not designing it to survive the lunar night. And when the lunar night is, you know, it's almost a four night, and it goes down to like minus 173 centigrade. Is it too hard to design for that? The problem with that is that all your electronics, you have to design your electronics so that they can withstand that really low temperature, two weeks at that low temperature before they... I mean, there is a chance it could all work. Maybe it will come back to life after the lunar night, but that's not something we're designing for, right? How long is the lunar day? Again, it's about two weeks. So you're designing for two weeks at least? So we will probably land like one or two Earth days into the lunar day to ensure that we get the right amount of, you know, the right angle of sunshine for our sunlight on our solar panels. And we reckon we'll probably have a mission time, you know, on-surface mission time of about 10 to 11 days. And who are you selecting the exclusive TV coverage to? Well, if I told you that, I'd have to kill you. Well, there's a camera out there. So that's the broadcasting. That's the camera right there. Is there some cameras up here too? Not currently, because this is just, like I said, a structural model. So this is just a test structure of the vehicle. If this works out, it's going to be huge. Well, this is one of the things that we really want to do. So the founder of the company is quite young. So he, like me, wasn't around to watch, you know, the Saturn 5 launch and to watch the lunar landings. And what we would like to do is kind of recreate that excitement about the moon for a general, like, our generation. You know, we want to create an Apollo moment so this is possible. You can do this now. If it works, your video is going to be more popular than Kaki's style. That's like a given. It's going to be so huge. I would hope so. So you have to think of what music to put into the video or something. Trust me, we're thinking. Just make it creative. Let people do whatever they want for your footage, right? We have to find ways to fund our mission. So it's likely that you're a broadcaster. The Falcon 9 or Falcon Heavy? You don't need a Falcon Heavy? No, we don't even need a whole Falcon 9. It's much lighter.