 Have we got any hints on how many slots we get? I didn't see any hints, something like 10 minutes ago. The last check nail on my laptop. Yeah, I think he was just looking at the frozen slots. Which is what you replied to, right? Yeah, I think that's what you thought. It's easy to see because you find the mantras for the few projects that you want to edit. So that you can really feed the 25-40s if you get them all. Yeah, so when frozen at 25, that's a lot. Application routing, we respond to this email. As far as I'm concerned, it's just about results and applications as long as it's a bonus session, if necessary. So, two. Only two of us, one of the funders, and number eight, four or two. Okay, so what mentors do we need to start in production? Because we see way more as a lot of people that sustain them. Yeah, we do, right? So, you three all signed up as mentors and stuff and approved and whatever else. So, on Wednesday Tuesday, we went through all the applications and re-ranked them all and basically decided what sort of things would be appropriate. Like, some of the early papers have way higher or way lower rankings than some of the later ones. And so we kind of tried to normalize those. So, we've come up with about 13 projects that we'd really like to mentor or really like to have. Another seven or so that would be pretty good but we're not going to prior anything if we don't get them. And if we get lots and lots of projects, then we're about 25. It seems, based on the proportions of the applications we've received compared to the total number, it seems like we might get eight according to that. But based on the number of mentors we've got compared to other projects, we might get more. That's how to say it. And who gets to deliver an expectation of what we could really expect? The other sense that in total, only something like four percent of applications always exceed. How does it apply to something like an organization was not set? Yeah. Please come in. Hello. I was afraid it would be there. Yeah, not much. This is smart. Yes, that was smart. So we're basically re-ranked those applications to be in the top 25 and I think we're... Oh great, the network's down. And I assume that everyone now has the new ranking interface which gives the list of assigned mentors for each project. I think what's wrong? I don't know. So has people logged in and had a look at the applications recently or just been leaving it for everyone else? Yeah. But I didn't present. You could fix that now if you want. Yeah. I can't even mention it's fairly easy, especially in Portugal. You already signed up for the project. Yeah, I already did it. Interesting. You can see the translation consumptions. Hola. Are we okay if we don't have individual problems? If you were asked to be there, so yes. Yes, okay. I'd like to comment on the translation coordination system because I think this is a pretty interesting part of the deviant that we're currently meeting. All of you probably know that we would enhance this in the talk this afternoon with Javier Fernandez. So I hope you people will attend it, of course. We have this target in mind that there has been at least one application for this. My small concern was that my feeling was that it may be a subject that needs a little more discussion. So I'm a little bit afraid, but I'm also a little bit enthusiastic about it. So I'm based on both. We have someone who seems very enthusiastic and very committed to some good work, but maybe too ready to code while we are actually not completely ready for the design and decisions or all this. We have mostly decided for the translation coordination system to go for collaboration with wordforged people, especially through the system. Maybe not all of you are aware of that, but Javier Sola from the wordforged project is here. They're complicated for two days and he's a little bit ready for this. And maybe find some of their abilities. There are some very specialist targets. And we can probably collaborate with them to have some... Javier Sola. And I think we can do something, especially if we can collaborate with wordforged. For the sake of it, I think that Ruto and Canonical seem also to be ready to collaborate with wordforged on some extent. We don't know which one exactly, but Mark just confirmed just a few minutes ago. So I think about the translation coordination system, which Mentor is now highest, I think this has a really good chance to go on. With the only fear from myself that we may be very short of time to give some what-is-it-be-un-expect. You have to take care to wrap it up like a student project really. It must be like a beginning and an end. And it is not the real end that you really want to get with wordforged. If you need to have an end, there should be some sort of deliverer. Of course, it could be that you say, okay, so the deliverers are some description and are some example script or whatever. But there needs to be a little deliverer at the end so that Google could say, Okay, I understood that concern and I think that not exactly from the student's application, because student's application was about building a translation coordination system, which actually in my opinion is completely not possible in such a time frame. A translation coordination system is a huge project. And wordforged people are working on that since years, I would say. So we can focus probably on one part. That will be the internal part or some protocol part. And we need to discuss, especially with wordforged people, to find the right targets for this. I think we could encourage Javier to subscribe. I don't know if that's possible to subscribe as a mentor, not as a mentor here maybe. I don't know about the system exactly. I went very quickly in the system. Well, it's Monturacini is the only mentor right now. I mean, when you get into the project, the change that I don't get usually by May, they're noted to be registered for work. I mean, the only interest in getting registered is getting a t-shirt for Monturacini, the stuff like that. Just for the first part of the project. Okay, anyway, we have a good mentor for this. I think that's okay. And what I want to enhance is that it's such a huge project that we will be, the most important thing is we need to focus on one part. One part is not yet clear for internationalization. Did you speak a few concerns to the student already? Well, very briefly this morning we made a change in the Indian internationalization list because I saw him posting about, yeah, but this is all about talk and we need to talk. So I'm saying, yes, maybe we need to talk, but we need to talk also first. Because some of the code is not coding only. In Google it has confirmed more than once in different places that it's okay to make this version of the project. And we have, for example, a project which I basically consider as the only project which is not as a package management, I don't get so much coding involved but it's good for us to make more short-term things, but also some down-term things. I think a good mix of them is a very valuable thing for us. So yeah, I would mostly enhance, especially to the mentors or to IGAS, that particular project. I don't want to steal everything about this project. It's probably not only about coding. It's also about discussing with involved people and this is part of the project and the student has to be ready for that. Okay, so one of the things is I'm currently down to mentor about four projects out of the whole 25 or so. And that's obviously too many for me to do, so if anyone here is not mentoring some then we'd like to look at some of those in a moment. I might be able to take all of them from you. Yeah, you've got one now at the moment, is that right? Pardon? I have one, but I could take a second one. What projects do you have? So I've got the two BitTorrent ones. I think the BitTorrents one should be together. Yeah. Obviously. So the BitTorrents one we might be able to get. I don't want to work with the BitTorrents. So what do you think you've taken over that one? My package management. So it might be okay. Okay, yeah, so we should be able to sort that out. The other thing is some of these applications per look has put forward some reservations about them. And I'm not sure, I haven't really read that in detail, so I'm not sure how we want to be one. Can you just check that if you want? So this mechanism is only available just in 2017? Yeah, it's a first remark you made, one other thing, no one's package management project. You basically need a kernel patch, and you wanted it if it's likely that you could manage that to keep that patch activated over long term. Basically, I see this, no, I see package management sitting while I was searching. And I did watch that and I just can say, okay, this would be possible, that it was so cool, we could do that with that game. But I don't think that is something that we will see in real life into whatever, H plus H, or H plus one or whatever. Well, of course, the goal is that H plus one is going to be even cooler, right? Say something about the project that's been done with the miners. Which one's that? That's CPUX slash CAD desktop. Okay, yeah. It's a very important project for dev and header people. Oh, no way. Desktop, not the Apache one. We talked to the header people about this and we see more perspective in the desktop project and not the Apache one. Okay. That's why the rest of the desktop project cannot be Apache one. Okay. When did you sleep with the video game recently or? This week, yeah. This week, yeah. I have no problem in both. I mean, it was just like the general consensus seemed to be. Well, we cannot take both because they are working on the same studio. Yeah, sure, sure. But the other one is not yet in the inventory so I have no problems raising it again. Do you agree? Yes, yes. If you prefer another one, exchange one version for the other one, that's okay. Yeah, that's all right. Yeah, the other reason we selected the Apache one instead of the desktop one was because at the time we were looking through it, we didn't have any input from the dev engine guys and the Apache one was rated much higher than the desktop one. So if we want to stop those, I think that makes a lot of sense. Yes. You've been working on this project. Yes. It's kind of a sign language project. Yeah. For good reason, I see. Sure. It's just full enough. And also, one reason was that I myself am familiar with the desktop programming and I'm not familiar with the Apache programming. Yeah. But it's also good, reminding you that we need to know if they're just in between. It's a little bit bad. It's a little bit bad because I have a blue interface by the way. But it's also good enough. All right. I don't want to do the same thing. We need to find a way more. Anyways. I don't know if that's funny. Don't do that by accident. How is the streaming not working? I think it's not working to the outside. Okay. So it's bad. It's very powerful. It's not to the control. Yeah. I mean, obviously. Yeah, you are? Yeah. It's on I actually. Okay. I'm just trying to keep up with the entire video. Okay. So is that sorted out a bit? Or are we? Okay. Onto that. Is the Linux one perhaps? It is. Anything else? Do you want to comment about certain projects here? It's just mega, it's the sound of some of the elements of these projects. Okay. So, anything else to do? Well, I took a lot of these stories. Okay. No, I think I'm mostly saying what I think, what's needed to say. I will mention the algorithm of code. So, I guess you're going to be right to mentor both the translation and the desktop. Yes. And the translation one will obviously have the internationalization people problem suite now a bit. Is the same thing true with the Azure one? Yes. Yes, there is some recognition for the very amount of people that are involved and the person that is doing that is also very involved in that. Excellent. Because I think one of the things we want to do is to make sure the students don't get involved in the mailing list or in a deal of ISE channels or whatever. And so I stay with the project they're doing. I don't watch it. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. Basically, we still have like two projects left if we get the 25 that we asked for. I mean, two projects. We don't want to write them. Yeah, okay. So, how much should we take a look at them? So, one of them, we made Peter write them. I would agree to mentor it if we don't find out somewhere else. Actually, I think we have from the steps, we have two different. Well, it's not loud. Actually, I think what we should do, if we have two projects, basic about this one topic, should have the same mentor to them. Because we are sharing of knowledge. Do you agree to that? Well, it's related to books, scripts, stuff. Yeah, I know. I think it would be a good one. Okay. Whose mentor is the other, the other debtors, other debt tax staff? So, basically, we should assign the other debt tax to the other. Well, if we... That's two things. The two projects that you see below the first page, which are called mid-minus one, and then no mentor assigned. It's a project that we didn't... cheap on our top 25. But there are other projects that we want to have no mentor yet at all. Okay. So, how do we work with the other debt tax on our top 25? Which should be the debt we want, so that we don't have no mentor? Yeah, I agree with you. It's improving both systems in dependency. A new day, the second page, called film, yes. And the northern one, I don't know if you can check my mail. There's one about... Do we have an Eastern port program? I think... That's about it. There's this one. And there is both... Do you want to take the right distribution? These are both shut down. Do you agree with me? Do you agree with me here? Do you agree with rock stuff? Okay. I thought the AI debt tax was one of the ones we put up relatively high. Yeah? I think so. Okay, we should go to the AI debt tax and take a look. Oh no, that seems to be different. Are you our guy? No, it's the Alex one. Yeah, okay. That's what you do the second month, that's why. The Alex one is the one that's there all the time together? Yeah, okay. Maybe you do me a monitor here and we would like to monitor some other projects but no, no, only one. Mentoring the DI port to her. Yeah. We have one mentor already. Colin Watson is planning a mentor in that and he's already done some... He's obviously done a lot of DI work already and he's also done some very well comforting DI with her and Michael Banks is also interested in that. He's obviously done a fair bit of third start. Maybe you should just... I should check with Azim later and ask him to monitor this one. Have you or your friends been contacted about this idea? Yeah, definitely. You can't be... Joy is the mentor. Joy has taken a look. As far as... Joy has even put a to the mentors also. Yeah. Which was... Nothing, this one is the first one. Yeah. I've made... By the way, given that we don't have one project rated one with JR which was not kept, I mean, I don't mind if we keep it if we keep it out if we have other better projects we'll write notes if we don't have any. Do you see they did one? The public web content they didn't develop in the USVT is fewer and cracker. It's kind of badly presented in the project so we didn't keep it but I think if we get so many I could plan to do something better out of it because I made the guy already once. Yeah. Actually, I think most of the sticks of the list have been prepared though. But I don't know if that's what it is or if it's just a stick or something. I mean, if we don't find mentors, whatever, too many. Too many. Actually, it's out of the list you get 25 portraits. Yeah, I think so. Who knows? I think the kind of references doesn't make any sense to me anyway. Sorry, which one? The last one, the first page. Which is this? Yeah. Because it's basically about networking and that you can do because then your life script is already on date and if you don't actually want to run on all the machines then it's actually no work to do. It will be mostly run through and not then remunerated. I think we should put something like that down. Think by the rest. Get rid of the static maps. Yeah. Okay, as well. The project we just called negatively are those which we kept. And between 0 and 5 it's our 5 well, let's start from the top. The top 30 are our preferred projects. Then at least 7 projects would be really cool. Then at least 5 projects would, well, if you get enough thoughts then why not? Yeah. We have 25 to 30 ones and I think it's the coolest because we have most of the mentors who will have time to fix it up for the mentors. Yeah, we need to be pretty quick because the it all will be finalized on Monday or so. No, everything gets finalized on Monday and I'm not sure we even get to know when the applications will get before we're given the applications essentially. So we have that slight little problem. Okay, that's not too good. I think we extend the deadline. For what it's better to maybe just quickly take a look at the sorting and check if we're still happy if we have the 10 first ones. Yes. Probably we'll have between 20 and 34. That's most probably. I'm not too sure because if Google built a total and checked out of six applications that's what they've written then it's even more because in other organizations it's almost nothing. Well, if we divide the three years application count by the number of projects this year we get 20 applications per project. Is that an average? When I did that, I got eight. I think that was just for you. It's a very important project. Most probably we will receive more than 10 and I believe more than 15. What was that I can't say. Actually that's just guessing. We'll be able to make sure that we're starting especially in the top order because if we only get three or four projects it's really important to have the light on there but if we get 10 or 11 perhaps the difference is not so much important in America because the most important took them to the top anyways. So from Harrison Ubuntu got 225 applications that they consider eligible so if they're just doing a proportional to number of applications then I don't expect that they will but that's the only indication so it's pretty hard to guess. As I said I think from the number of mentors they're not so bad. If they may get a proportional to the number of mentors I think we are very good. Last year they were not doing a proportional to anything. There was some proportion to the importance of the project in the global community. That was a proportion. And apparently the number of mentor slots that were asked for a few days ago was approximately how many they had to give out anyway and we'd asked for 20 at that point. But yeah, I mean we're all guessing at this point. So it's because of this very toxic blue system that's the most important project. It's one of the most important projects as well as quite early in the process so it's getting around many positive but anyway I don't like the point that we see that. I think it's very important to have one of the blue systems that are talking. But I'm not too sure if it's good to have someone number one at sleep. We should perhaps put that in the third one. But I'm not too sure if it's more important than the VNG. And this is definitely the VNG that should be more important. We should put the second blue system as an installer. We know it. I'll bump the CDNJ up if you want to bump the CDNJ up. I don't make sure. I'll do it later. Whatever. So if you have any remarks, please say it now. So yeah and then I think we should put one of the DevTex also a little more on top. The DevTex package from Alice Delantra also I think go up to the top five or so. We should have only one blue system in the top five. That's what I meant. Also I would say that we won't remember if you don't write him down or if you don't do GRT. GRT or like down whatever. Yeah. Okay. I'm done too. All is done. Just it. It's fast as usual. Okay. So we've got in Christopher's system translation coordination system. DevNCD next generation. DevNJ installer on GNU Heard. Distribution wide tracker tools. That's our top five. DevTex from Alice Delantra instead of GNU Heard installer in top five. We just enter the score, what do you like at least for the project admins. That's a good one. No, the button is very important in place. What should we do? Yeah, we're even kind of those don'ts. Oh yeah. But the DevTex to be fair we should probably move the BTS V at the top as well because many people requested it. Yes. Which one's that? The Philip Kahn one? But if we have the BTS group with Colin then one might want to put other BTS sources in. I don't, Kahn's not going to actually be able to mentor the BTS ones. We're going to have to get done today then probably. Ah, okay. I think now the list looks fine. We're going to put system translation coordination the BNCD and G i.e. BTS going? It's going to look different, no? I would put the BNCD of the second post system. Yeah, I would just put the post system as co-op more down even. Yeah. Even if it's post watching I think double K-Post should always have a Latin that's slower by royalty. It's totally scary, yes? Okay. Okay. I think now the order is good. Yeah, that's what I have to say. You did it just right now for one? Okay. Just forget our age you know there's five too. Okay, so we've got our top five starting from the top. Improved the boot system, translation coordination, BTS GUI, next generation Debian CD and Deptags AI. Our next five are the distribution white tracker tools. Debian installer on GNU Heard, improving Britney, automation of Debian based live CD creation process and Bintar extensions. Our next five are improved the Debian boot system. Our second one which I think is going to have a different focus than the first one. Now it's okay in the top. In the 11th position basically. Depsec, the new security tool for Debian, streamlines and installation. Working on report bug which is the other BTS one and SE Linux reference policy integration. After that we've got the CAD desktop which possibly should be moved out. I think we should give it one or more pull. We might want the takes over on this work on the report bug. It might because I don't want to put the SE Linux down. I agree, well basically this report we're adapting. I just go to store because I asked the BAUF to monitor the inside of the system. So we can just put it down by whatever to what's actually been a SE. So we have now all the desktops there from the position 16 on. We have some work on the report bug. Segment update for Debian packages. The move for the base system. The new package management. The new update notifier installer. I think it looks like the new package management will be a bit more up. You don't need to do anything. I have to put a inventory database in later so that it will go up and up. Okay. So the other it's already down to us. Could we go up to seven? To nine. You want it really? No, if we go up to nine so it's in the from lifted to ten position. Shouldn't we propose a project to improve the waiting system? Unfortunately that wouldn't be an open source project so it wouldn't be eligible. Okay. But we actually proposed it more than once. Not only do we have to open the same system. Okay. And then I think we might as well ask you too. Apparently it's a lot better than last year. Yes. Oh dear. I don't know what it was last year. So are we comfortable with how we're going to take over the mentoring once we actually get some applications assigned? Know what that involves, like talking to the student. Are we comfortable with that? Do we have any ideas on that that we want to share while we're here? Or maybe you'll be able to talk to people who already did that for other projects. Or maybe that's good. Maybe you can talk to a student. I understand. Well it's quite important to check their progress. Otherwise the student can just try and liel it. That's not from my experience. That's about it. That's about the mentoring that we're going to do with it. And there are some problems with the mentors last year. They had to change mentors. And that was fine with me because I had a very central role in not me much mentoring but some other students got a bit confused or they should avoid changing mentors for the future. What I think what we might want to do is for a small checklist for the mentors inside of the company we'll say, okay, the mentors will now go to you and I will take over. Isn't that a student? So please make sure you do this and that. And if you try to make whatever updates or say, okay, you meet once here, whatever is your channel. So that we encourage our mentors to work properly and that we just take a bit the view of them also. At least some of them. But the one who did it but some might need it and I think it will also help people to do it that way. What we can do is we have a source version control system and a repository so in demand that all students from Debian commit their work into that repository all the time. That will also be a good summary for the Debian. I think it's probably worthwhile setting up a small copy of the archive that the students can just give us GPGPs that we like to as well. I think that would be useful to set up. Should I? Okay. The other question is do we want to set up a mailing list for mentors or mentors and students or something like that? I think we want to. We probably should have done that right in the beginning. It's not big here. Should I create an IF project for the last few years? Yeah, I think that's probably better. For the next years? Well, it cannot be at the end of the repository. Yeah, I think people would like to know better about the repositories. Better to just demand all the repositories be there because then we'll get given a total summary of what all of it is is something that works. Okay. For example, I don't know how it works. It's bootstab, but if most of us code or some type which is the I, I don't see any reason to say for us to check it into another one. Yeah, it's mostly changing another code in the end. Of course, that's what it depends. It's part of the full of the mentor to give us an overview of what the students have done. Yeah, but it's part of the possibility of using it to give some measures to make sure. I mean, we as an organization don't need that many infrastructure to be able to just jump in and see what happens. No. Of course, of course not. Okay, so we have the other. Thanks, sir. Okay, so one of the other questions is on the there's a payment that goes to Debian for the number of basically the mentors that are assigned. So Google advocates $5,000. It was called four and a half to the student, 500 to the organization for a project. So there are a few things we can do with that. We can just say, no, we don't want it. We can say, yes, we'll put it into SPI's general account. We could give it straight to the mentors if they actually want money or if they're not comfortable with accepting it. Obviously, we wouldn't want to do that. Or we could put it aside for say, try to have a sponsorship or something like that for the mentor or for someone who the mentor thinks is worthwhile for a future debt company or something like that. I think the last question would be the last one. Actually, I personally really think it's an option to give the money to the mentor who is the right one because I don't think we'll have a problem here, but still I really think because the mentor will do much more work than actually the verse of $500. So I don't think so I don't think it's really a payment. But if you get money for the work, if Debian gets actually money for something, then it can take down an individual as a test on the work of Debian. I really think we should forward the money for them. But that's the inverse problem with taxes. No. It's not that you are forced to take some money. Actually, it's also okay if you say do you mean taxes with SPI or taxes with the person receiving the money? With SPI and the person receiving the money because most of the problems in the last year is with taxes. Yeah, with the person receiving the money, I mean that's, depends on the country where that person lives in. So, I mean obviously I think even if we were going to offer to send the money, we'd need to give them a choice to say you don't have to accept it, we'll do travel sponsorship or something instead, if that's a lot easier for you. For SPI, I mean obviously I'll need to talk to gross comrades, but I believe that as a payment for helping to write basically free software and under the market rate, I believe that she can't be issued for the tax savings of SPI. There was a discussion with SPI list in the recent days about something that is basically as long as SPI doesn't pay more than the market rate, it's okay. Then what do you say, do you need to pay very less than the market rate? And yeah, I mean obviously if the mentor drops out or if it turns out that someone else is doing more work than the assigned mentor or whatever else then we've got to go with that person getting travel sponsorship or whatever instead. I don't think I'm comfortable to do this solution now. I don't, well you know, it's not that I would like to have a payment to tell you that it's nice, but it's just not at this period, I would like to have too many more interest monitor next year, just because of that. Yeah. That's of course a little bit, yes. I don't think this is the last issue for this year, but it would be one next year. That's of course, it helps even to do it as travel sponsorship because basically if you do it as if you look here at the end of something you've got travel sponsorship because I do it too much that way. So it wouldn't be any, well I don't think you would have any advantage of having another $500 travel sponsorship because we will just receive it anyways. But there are some people who don't receive it because they basically do a less work for them and who would say oh, delay, I could go to the next ever place because I get $500 for free. So I don't think there's a large difference between paying the money out and the serving for their sponsorship. I'm going to be confiscated doing the stuff. But there are not people who are not sponsored because they are doing way too less than work. So how about we offer either travel sponsorship for next DEBCOM for some other DEBCOM related general DEB and travel sponsorship. And we let each mentor decide what department they need. I see some bad solutions. I'm going to be fine with the travel sponsorship. We could just say that the manager is going to choose what the MDM is. I'm a bit unhappy but if you're all happy it's okay with me. I'm sorry. I really have to say I'm unhappy but it's okay. I'm confiscated. Do you want the mandatory solution for all of us? No. I want such a mentor to have a choice. Which should be the mentor actually. He has a choice to say he takes the money directly or the sponsorship or DEBCOM for us. Whatever the mentor prefers. What is the solution for the mentor to get the money and own the sponsorship or DEBCOM for us? I don't see the answer. I don't see it. I agree with you. It's not so much for us but it's for political reasons. I don't see that much. I just agree with that. It's okay. Is that a political decision? Yeah. I'm not going to repeat it for the other five minutes. Every six or seven. No. Okay. I think we've finalized all we need to do for this week. We've obviously set up a mailing list and announced that probably at least a project on the IRC internal details and not across and probably to develop now that we actually get assigned that. Actually, if we get the site out of the watch I believe it should go to use for us. Yes. Perhaps a different major use but anyways. Sorry? Should we put something like an SOC that we're not we could just some of code that we're not might be worth one. I think we can make the other project start with that. I think we can make the other project start with that. Yes. But if we put a the dacrocoster on there we'll see the end for the dacrocoster.