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Yeah, well, she was from East St. Louis So I think she's on the same this area for sure Well, well, well, I hope you're all satisfied We've gathered here you're happy I hope you're happy We're doing this just for you on a Wednesday, right a day that everyone else also works Midday on a Wednesday Yeah, here we are working for you or you I'm ready to go if you guys are Oh Do you want to try what our lineup has always said we should do? But we've never done Sarah Which is since you're doing the discussion story you should read the to get all the tech headlines each day Oh, okay, and then just take us right into the discussion story. Of course. I'd be happy to Hey promise of our December dinner has been Watch and be amazed every month Here we go three two Daily Tech news show is powered by you talk to you find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday, February 28th 2018 from DTNS headquarters in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and the last day of February From studio feelin. I'm Sarah Lane From the very cold and I wish it would stop snowing Salt Lake City. I'm Scott Johnson Happy birthday to everyone whose birthday is February 28th and 29th Whoa, just go ahead and take care of that because we don't have a 29th this year. I Never thought about that. What do those people do? How do they celebrate? 24 exactly that's what happens or something like that. I think that math might be something mystical happens Yeah, yeah at midnight on the 28th before March 1st an accelerated 29th happens Oh, all right. Yeah for a quick couple of minutes. It's the best a wrinkle in the calendar Yeah, it's my favorite theater soon. That was our producer Roger Chang speaking there just a moment ago. How are you Roger? Still here Good good very glad to hear it Well, there's nothing left for us to do then start with a few tech things you should know Vodafone and Nokia announced they are working to provide 4g connectivity to robots on The moon for a group called Pt Scientists SpaceX will launch two lunar rovers made by Audi which will explore and transmit HD video from the Apollo 17 landing site The 4g network will be used to stream video from the robots to a stationary transmitter that will broadcast back to Earth We're robots on the moon Cool think about it if you ever get stranded up there It's less of a Martian problem like in the book the Martian or the movie you just start tapping into the 4g It's already part of the lunar surface. It'll be amazing Businesses in 40 countries will now be able to post job openings on Facebook to a jobs tab on their page jobs dashboard Facebook Marketplace and the news feed job seekers can also auto-fill applications with their Facebook profile info and submit it as Well as use messenger to schedule interviews the feature rolled out in the US and Canada last year I had completely forgotten about it, but Well done 40 new countries, I guess Starting on April 1st, and this is no joke all the apps in the blackberry world app store will be free Blackberry will remove paid apps from the store on that date Developers can still monetize their apps, but they have to build all that into the app itself Spotify filed its IPO today the company plans to use a direct listing instead of a traditional IPO route So no bank is listed as an underwriter although Morgan Stanley is serving as a financial advisor This also makes the one billion dollar number Subject to change. It's kind of you know, it's a little bit of the Wild West going on here 10 cent is the only shareholder Restricted from selling shares once Spotify lists CEO Daniel Eck has 25.7 ordinary shares 10 cent has 7.5 percent Tiger global 6.9 Sony music 5.7 and technology crossover ventures 5.4 Europe is still Spotify's largest market representing 37 percent of total user base Let's talk a little more about skiing and snow sports and the apple watch Want to hear about skiing do you? Well, let me tell you about skiing First of all, I think 10 cents gonna own everything including skiing one day But anyway, apple watch ski and snowboard apps like snow. That's a two w's slopes squall alpine Snow crew and ski tracks have all been updated with custom workout apis released in watch os 4.2 Now this update allows tracking of specialized metrics such as and including total vertical descent horizontal distance number of runs and average and maximum speeds All on the heels of the winter olympics the ski and the snowboard tracking is limited to apple watch series 3 The one with the little dot or maybe that's only because I get three or I get Sell either on there. I don't know. But anyway ski and snowboarding apps are the only or they're not going to work anywhere but the series three That's because it's the only watch with a built-in altimeter to track elevation Why didn't they have this for the winter olympics? They should have had all the the snowboarders and ski jumpers and everybody Three weeks too late. Yeah If it does feel like they were maybe just a little too late, who knows why but that would have been a perfect promotion They ran some ads during the olympics. These would have been great ads So I don't know what happened there. Somebody dropped the ball Well, speaking of smartwatches fitbit teased a new smartwatch on its latest investor's call and wearable Dot com which is by the way spelled w a r e wearable has obtained photos of what it says Is the new fitbit blaze too although we don't know if it's actually going to be called the blaze too But that's what we're calling it until fitbit tells us otherwise A source tells wearables that fitbit wants a watch that appeals more to the female market unlike its large ionic Watch And something that has a lower price point as well The watch will be water resistant up to 50 meters come in four colors black silver rose gold and charcoal With a range of straps according to the sources So this is leaks not confirmations except that fitbit has confirmed that they're coming with a new watch So it's likely this is it scott. I know you're I know you're fascinated by this I am and having just bought this series three and prior to this having a fitbit charge and enjoying it loving it I really liked it, but I thought all right. We're going to move on to full-blown smartwatch town and see how that treats me Honestly, this whatever my next step is as a wearable. I'd be looking for a lower price Because it turns out the functionality. I mainly use this watch for is telling time quick reference to notifications And fitness stuff and fitbit, of course, excelling in that third category. So I'm interested in this what I'm curious about sarah from your perspective Uh, does this appeal to a more female sensibility or is that a bunch of okay? So thank you for asking, you know, the funny thing is that whenever I hear like And appealing to the female audience because it's going to be smaller and cheaper. I'm like excuse you But but I mean somebody with a small wrist. It's like, well, you know that That you know that that makes sense. Um The ionic also didn't sell that well as far as fitbit is concerned So in that sense, it's like it's not so much that they're like, well, you know We just want to like break into another audience. They're trying to sell more, you know watches um I don't swim So I don't really care about that But the whole sort of like it's not water resistant. You could actually swim at the gym back and forth like You know to 50 meters and it would still work because like that's pretty cool I'm sure that will um, you know appeal to certain folks, but but yeah, I I I don't know man. I Depending on the price points. I I could be interested If it fits good with the fitness, I'm not sure how good they are with the health yet And that's that's the other thing that I use a watch for so Good point. I also, I mean, I would probably miss things like voice activated replies to text and things like that So there's a few things like that, but they have my ear. We'll see Are your wrist? Yeah, or my wrist Speaking of talking google's hangouts chat is out of preview and now available to the general public as part of G suites rolling chat out to all g-speed users over the next seven days Hangouts chat was first announced at google cloud next 2017 along with hangouts meet Which went public immediately, but hangouts chat was in preview for quite some time hangouts chat now competes with slack microsoft teams other similar projects and hangouts chat is available on ios android and the web So we've got hangouts That is in your gmail where you can talk to people you've got hangouts chat Which is for your g-suite business users where you could talk to people You've got alo and duo where you can talk to people and you have hangouts on air Uh, where you can talk to people. I'm missing anything Well, I mean for most of the people I use hangout technology if you want to call it that with it's it's either like we're doing right now with video And using hangouts on air or i'm chatting with friends via text Uh through a gmail client or something like that. All right. I forgot androids messenger app. All right That's the other one. I think they've missed an opportunity to call this something that makes sense like Hangouts plan or something else besides chat because or maybe something else besides hangouts Yeah, it's weird branding I'm not because honestly this this doesn't make me roll my eyes if it's just called, you know G g-suite chat Or or g-suite collab or something like that Please hangouts on it is the part that confuses me it does I get where you like you want to extend a brand name Uh, but anyway, did you try it out? So I went to go I thought you know what I put this off long enough I should just sign up for g-suite and then get into this and see what's up I forgot g-suite cost money not that i'm it's not worth it But I don't have any friends using it so this five dollar per user per month thing is kind of like uh, basically slack Uh premium is the cost of it Uh, so I didn't finish the sign-up process because I didn't quite get that far, but I'm interested I want to see what google's uh, uh slack competitor is i'm very interested in that space and and who's doing things better or different And they seem to have kind of hidden it behind some stuff that I can't get through and I really hate the name But we'll see someone will write. Oh, yeah, they love it and it'll be fun I it reminds me of microsoft teams in that if you're already in the microsoft universe This is just something you're going to take advantage of because it's there And maybe that'll keep you from trying slack slack's not part of something else So they need to make it available for everybody or as google's like and we don't need free users We need paying users and g-suite users are there. We'll give this to them. They'll use it Yeah, and I'm just saying chat is a bad name team is good slack is good short easy to say Hey, did you see the note they left in team? Yeah. Oh, yeah, I got those. No worries The other thing I put in the slack discord whatever it all makes sense You know what he says did you see this stuff? I left it hangouts chat They will it's an awful name Anyway, moving on twitter has publicly launched its bookmarks feature and it caught me off guard So i'm glad that we're talking about it today Uh, I knew there was something weird at the ui and I couldn't figure out what until we started digging deeper Anyway, this has been in testing since last year rather than publicly having to press a heart icon on a story about a tsunami or a famine You can now privately save it and read it later Uh, you know the idea behind most bookmarks the bookmark option is bundled in and sending a tweet via dm and sharing a tweet Uh is in the new same share icons like a little up button thing to the right Uh bookmarks now have their own section in the profile as well. I tested this today seems to work fine I don't know how often I'll use it Maybe more than I think when i'm gathering stories for my morning show or something Um, but as it stands right now, it's not going to affect me much, but you know, hopefully people find uses for it You know The other days a friend of mine was like, oh, I had this tweet, you know a couple years ago That was like super funny and I was like, uh link me to that and he was like How am I even gonna find that like the search doesn't work? So in this sense Bookmarking would would be helpful. I mean, I don't really know what it would be useful for beyond Putting people in groups tom. I know you do that already Yeah, well, no, I think I think what this is for is is apparently something that none of the three of us do But a lot of people on twitter do Which is use it as a reader use it as a news feed and they say, oh, you know what? I want to read that story, but I don't have time right now And then their choice is to copy and paste the link or bookmark it in their browser Or favorite it Which means clicking the heart button, which as scott mentioned is kind of weird If you're it's a story about a famine and suddenly that's public and it says tom merit just, you know They put put a little heart next to the story about 500 000 people dying in an explosion, you know or whatever Uh, so this is a much better tool for that for people who are like, no I just want to save something to read later. I don't need to tell the world about it I just need to have it somewhere. It's easily accessible There you go. Yeah Uh, scientists at mit created a robot called auto saw That can assist with carpentry to make custom furniture And make it safer because the robot's doing the cut and not you with your thumbs Uh, also could make it cheaper and easier You can select a template and adjust things like size and shape Semi-autonomous robots will then pick up and saw the materials you need now It doesn't work like you just thought by the way I said that you have to assemble the final piece yourself Uh, so far there are only four design templates with a limited number of customizations And you also have to lay things out for the robots Uh, you have to you have to put the the boards in a particular place so that they know where to go get them In the video that they show they're on, uh, uh Saw horse so they goes over and knows, okay, there's the board I will take it over here. So it's really about letting the robot cut it with minimal supervision. It's not totally autonomous or anything like that Also, for instance, the jigsaw, which is just a modified programmable Roomba that that iRobot create Thing you have to pick it up and put it on the board. It doesn't it can't get up there itself Uh, so with all those caveats though This is pretty cool because again saves your fingers from being near those blades So I sent a message out to uh, mark spagnolo before the show just trying to get his quick take on this I sadly did not get a response, but I really want to know what professional woodworkers like him think of Uh, let's call the encroachment or the potential of the encroachment of automation to their world So far 3d printing has disrupted all sorts of, uh, industries potentially anyway We haven't maybe seen the full impact of that But I'm really curious what folks like him would have to say about something that's doing a lot of the heavy lifting for you And leaving you just to assemble and one would think that one day it might assemble also So pretty trippy technology and I I think it's pretty neat But I'm I'm really curious what they what he would have to say There were some other mit researchers who created a robot that assembled Ikea furniture So feel like those robots ought to meet each other Get together Yeah to get all the tech headlines each day subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com five minutes or less everybody I did it today. I'll do it tomorrow and even Friday All right, let's talk about uh, the idea of municipal governments working with tech companies Without us knowing okay So the verge reports that one of the tools used by the new orleans police department to identify members of gangs Among other things came from silicon valley data mining company Palantir which provided software to it and opd. That's new orleans police department program that traced people's ties to other gang members criminal histories social media activity And predictions of when they might either commit crimes or be the victims of crimes A source says that the government turned over more than 60 000 pages of documents detailing evidence gathered against an individual Who will not be named but you get it? um For confidential informants ballistics other sources however Nothing was ever mentioned about the partnership with palantir which began in 2012 supposedly city council members and attorneys contacted by the verge said They had no idea that the city had any sort of relationship with this company How Much does that give you pause? Yeah, so the main question is why wasn't this public knowledge? Uh, and and this can tie into court cases if evidence is gathered Uh using a tool As part of discovery you have to tell the defendant that you used this tool to gather the evidence So that's not happening. That could be a problem It's it's it's kind of murky, but that could be a problem But also there's just the general knowledge of hey, uh, we're scanning your social media posts Everything you post on twitter publicly. We're we're taking that we're cross referencing against our fingerprints and case records We're pushing the cops to fill out all of these field reports And cards to make sure we get as much information on you as possible And then we're running palantir software over it To do crime prevention like as a citizen of new orleans I would want to know that they were doing that not because I want to escape from crime but because I I know you would just want to know if you're being surveilled and why and whether it's worth the surveillance as a voter For that mayor. So there's that the other question though is a lot about predictive crime and Whether it's actually working, uh, it does the system actually prevent crime? Does it help the victims of crime? To recover faster or avoid being victims in the future And the biggest question is does it have a risk for bias and and generally the answers are either we don't know Or yes, it absolutely has a risk for bias. Yeah, and there's also no way to know Or let's let's put this way. There's no way to fully investigate those bias chances or the effectiveness of the thing without figuring out a way to have An applicable test or to be able to do it gather the data see if it worked or not So if we think it's worth it at all, I'm kind of all for this to be honest I love this idea that these kind of data could contribute in this way And I also would like to know what biases exist or could it unearth some biases. I can't think of My only problem with any of this is they didn't tell anybody That's it. Like the rest of it is kind of interesting There's a science angle and sure you could say, ah, there's too much surveillance in our lives Forget it. We don't want another one and you just vote it out without thinking much about it I think the future is tied up in this sort of thing But it has to come along with me being notified. Like you said, I just want to know That I'm being watched followed tracked Used in this way and then it's fine. I don't care then then we don't know if it's going to work And they'll you know, we talk a lot about like the problems with algorithms on the show And you know, the idea that there would be so much data Let's say like, you know, I have a history of all sorts of things That tells the New Orleans police department and you know with Palantir software that like I'm really likely to commit another crime But will I You know what I mean? I I I'm with you to a point scott in that I don't think We shouldn't use this kind of data But I think we need to do a lot of testing and refinement before we act on this kind of data So I have a little more problem than just they weren't telling everyone Palantir is a very murky company co-founded by and co-owned by peter teal Has CIA contracts. So there's a lot of secrecy around what it does But to me We need to get better at these algorithms before we put them into place And that was a problem in chicago not with a palantir system But with a similar system and it looks like it was also a problem in new orleans in that It's not provable that it had an effect. There was a crime reduction in new orleans But it doesn't seem to be related To the use of the palantir data Nicholas corsaro and robin angler two university of sincennedy professors Who designed the gang database that provided a lot of the data that palantir used and conducted an evaluation Of the violence reduction strategy in new orleans and corsaro said Trying to predict who's going to do what based on last year's data is just horse shit That's a direct quote from him So We we we have to have good data And you have to have a good algorithm and and that's the other problem is the data Because police record crime unevenly through a city The patterns of recorded crime may differ from the true pattern of crime, right police Aren't charged with being great data collectors They're charged with doing their job and they collect some data as a coincidence of that So the pattern the algorithm is likely to learn from is that most crimes occur in over represented locations You don't send the police out to low crime areas. You send them to high crime areas So high crime areas are going to be over represented and that starts a vicious cycle Where the police are sent to a high crime area. They gather the data the algorithm says We'll send more police to the high crime area They gather more data and it starts to believe that those locations need to be more heavily policed When it's been shown that sometimes over policing can cause more problems than it helps I should probably amend my position a little bit. I actually agree with you 100 percent on You know, it's one thing to not be told it's another thing to even know if it works at all to have some of the testing the Let's call it alpha testing happened before it ever gets used in the street It's easy for me to say oh, this is cool with me because I happen to have zero criminal records So what about the guy who's got one infraction? But it's working or what if you just you have a zero criminal record, but you live in the high crime area That's over policed and suddenly you're you're running up against stuff and getting asked questions and getting harassed Yeah, plus this doesn't happen in a vacuum new orleans Uh is known for a history of some corruption in the past provable corruption likes stuff in court So it's also your petri dish that you're using isn't necessarily the most uh neutral petri dish You could you could choose so yeah, you're 100 right? There's just something to this that I like in theory It's the practice that that's really where the rubber meets the road and the rubber ain't meeting the road very well right now And if you're not telling anybody it's really not meeting the road. So yeah, either way they screwed they screwed this up no matter what I think but I'd love to get to a place where We can find data that is just irrefutable And as I say it I realize this is nearly impossible We have irrefutable data on any side of any issue, but I just long for that utopian ideal Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's impossible, but I don't think it's as easy as oh I don't know maybe palantir would like you to think remember they didn't charge new orleans for this Because what they wanted to do is take what they learned in new orleans Speaking of a petri dish and pitch it to other communities to say hey, we did this thing in new orleans We did it for free for them to show it to prove that it that you know, we could do it But wouldn't you like to pay us to do it and there's there's it's a it's questionable whether it was effective yet I think it needs more work and needs more transparency I agree Yeah, I mean and that's what it comes down to because I will say scott like the idea of Quality data an algorithm isn't a bad word folks an algorithm is just an algorithm if you get a good one That can tell you like hey these these are the places that that you need to make sure you're patrolling Don't harass people don't assume get where it isn't Let's use it to help people too. That was another problem in both chicago and new orleans is The carrot side of this didn't get used as much as the stick side of it But if you can if you can perfect that it could be a great thing just having more knowledge Of of where to patrol where to in you know to to enforce the law is a good thing It's just we need to perfect it first as allen more once said or reiterated really who watches the watchman Yes, great episode of star trek. All right, uh, let's check the mailbag sarah Let's do it. This one comes from david who says the sun is out and it's turning all the snow into ice in minnesota So we were talking about veer yesterday, which is sort of a instagram facebook who knows what alternative it's sort of the hot new thing um, so david says the only reason I even heard about this before yesterday's show is because I'd logged into twitter for the First time in a while and one of the influencers I follow at one point had been whining and complaining that the new way facebook was doing its news feed was hurting their Business because not as many people were seeing their posts Well, I mean they wouldn't be alone in that and they were going to this other app called vero and people should check them out chris hard work Nerdist even promoted it on talking dead last week. I believe that's why there was a sudden upswing in the use of Vero he goes on to explain a little bit more, but I wonder how much that you know buried obviously like, you know influential influencer Spiked the numbers that would make a lot of sense and and it could be not just chris, but yeah There's a brewing number of influencers starting to talk about vero and that catches chris's eye And so then he mentions it and that that's how the network effect works, right? You know, it just gets broadcast from farther and farther It takes so long. What was it one of the I know you guys talked about that said length yesterday But 2015 the amp launched and we're just now starting to have everybody freak out and talk about it. Yeah, which is always like It's obviously like a marketing thing on some level Well, or or just a natural thing where somebody was finally frustrated with instagram and went looking around and was like Well, this app's been around for a couple years. Maybe I'll just start using this starts telling people They tell two friends. They tell two friends. They tell chris hard work and he mentions it on talking dead and the rest is history Also, I mean david also wondered how they're going to make money in the future and maybe we didn't make this clear But uh two ways one is they will eventually charge people So if you get in as one of the first millions supposedly you'll never have to pay But they'll eventually charge a subscription fee and they plan to have product links So there there will be a referral fee for brands to push their wares I could see this playing into the movie or tv area of like if you say, oh, I watch this movie There might be a link to buy it on a digital subscription or something like that Hey, uh, hat tip to ali winston from the verge by the way, uh for the great reporting on palantir, uh that we We used that article that ali did uh as the basis of our discussion So we always like to give credit where credit is due if you haven't read it It is a wonderful piece of journalism. Go check it out. We'll have a link in the show notes Speaking of credit scott johnson, we could not do wednesday show without you. Tell us what's been going on the last week Well, let's see. What do I give my credit? How do I spend my credit here? Uh, let's see, uh, the best thing to do If you want to follow all my goings on and projects and things go check it out at frogpants.com There's a lot going on sometimes I think what should I talk about on dtns to sort of throw somebody's focus in a certain direction But there really is no focus There's tons of stuff going on and there's always something for somebody You like dnd. We got a show for that. You like morning shows. I got a show for that. You like video games I got multiple shows for that So go check it out frogpants.com is the place and even if you just like artwork and illustration and comics and cartoons There's stuff for that Uh, scott johnson on twitter as well. You can follow me there Excellent, uh, thanks to you guys. 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Oh new orland pre cogs like that New orleans pre cogs The uh the tabled motion is to name the episode new orleans pre cogs Actually, I think that's all right Um, there's also new orleans pre crime unit and of course the new or um Does palantir mean pre cog? I mean granted if you don't know minority report Or lord of the rings Yeah The one lord of the rings more carrot less stick more carrot less stick Why don't we just give them a carrot stick that way we can feed and whack them depending on how we feel Monster gonna whack them. I'm yeah, let's not say that Why ever not tom, I don't know. I don't know why what's wrong with me Why are you being so square? Uh really tried to stop myself from saying something really because What's going on? It's all It's all self-loathing over here back to you sarah Thank you tom So minority report new orleans That is that is that your that's your faith that one. Yeah, I mean it really did it does describe I mean granted uses pop culture Uh, this the the discussion the floor is open for comments On minority report in new orleans is the title of today's episode. I like it There's some sensitivity in new orleans about actual minorities, so I don't know if that'll cause anyone any Ah Actually Yes, roger. I think you might be about to say what I was gonna say Well, no, I mean I thought was part of what I was thinking is yeah like it's as targeting Racialized and minority groups It covers both. I think in a very yeah. No, I Rather than being a negative. I think that might be a positive scott in that we didn't discuss racial profiling Directly in the show, but that is one of the implications of this is those high crime areas often tend to be minority Uh inhabited areas, so it is a minority report Of a kind as well. It sort of works in both ways. I I think I agree Make a good argument Going once minority report new orleans Motion carried Have a little uh wooden balls that tell you who did it Ah damn it Wooden balls who tell you who did it would be a great title too. It would be It's always raining that movie Yeah, it was raining a lot. That was just a style choice. I get um. Hey roger chang. I'm taking over the post Yes Didn't think you'd mind Good work mo jam Picking that title I see you mo jam Picking that title What's going on with your cats you keep yelling at your cats It's just him. He's he's been howling this entire episode. You guys didn't hear him. No, he's in the hallway Oh, yeah, no, I thought that was just uh, you know trash pickup or something No, it's my cat. I haven't heard it my own cat. Hold on Let me bring it. Let's let's have a chat cat You know that was one of the first dr. Seuss books Let's have a chat cat Let's have a chat cat No, I wish Roger you keep getting lower and lower. How is it getting lower and lower? I don't know if you're just leaning of too far away or what? I mean, I'm leaning as far as I normally do What if I move the mic here? How's that? That's good right now. Yeah Now if I keep talking about something does it solely go away? Yep How about here? That's still low. No talking talking talking talking talking. There you go. That's good You can run on top of the mic Hello Never had to be this close before I don't know. I don't know what it is. I'm just saying Just saying Let me see. Uh-oh There's a serious talk going on with this cat How do you expect to finish college? When you're a cat Cats can't even go to college They don't have opposable, uh Digits how are they gonna write anything? Thank you for saying opposable digits. Not all opposable digits are thumbs Pandas don't have thumbs they have an opposable bone. Yeah, right on their paws Huh pandas do? Yeah, they don't have a thumb, but they they have a bone that's part of their Palm that sticks out that functions as an opposable digit, but it doesn't have the same range of motion as a thumb So sam just wanted to be on camera. It seems like right. Yeah, now that he's on camera He's just sort of drooling and not saying anything. What is all this about? Like a fine fine now. I just wanted to see what you're doing. I wanted a donut too. Yeah pandas have Five fingers and a and a false thumb. Yep Weird So how do you think they hold on to the bamboo? Hold on. What's a false thumb? Uh, it's like a little it's like I don't know a non opposable thumb. Yeah, it's like it's It's like Tom's tail. He doesn't need it It's it's well, they need it, but it's it opposes other It opposes the other five digits, but it doesn't work With the same flexibility and range of motion as a human thumb would yeah It could never actually form a government. It was always in opposition It could never hold the screwdriver, you know, it couldn't hold a candle to a real thumb It would not be able to find work as a You know carpenter plumber They could use the robot to talk to those nice people about why you were crying so much earlier. Nope Good now. Just wanted to see what you're doing. Yeah, he's like no, you're holding me Just wanted attention of any kind Kids are the same way So why are we crying? Just wanted attention No, she does my my kid does that all the time. It's like, why are you whining? And then I hold her she's fine It's like I'm not your parent. Oh wait. I am your parent Yeah, like what what am I like responsible for you? Stop acting like a bao, right? What do you need emotional comfort and security? Talk to your father. All right, that's me Listen kid your dad doesn't even have that. How do you how do you expect him to shower that on you? Ah my life These cats man, I'm gonna put them out on the street No, you won't you know, I would no she put them in a uh, I like not a circus but like a stage show There's uh, you know a stage show like a Patrick's wife No, like a production of cats. Oh no, she she showed me she showed me a video online I forget but it's this french guy who was In florida he immigrated like back in the 70s or something But he he has a little kind of like uh, like a lion lion Taming or tiger taming show where they do all the acrobats, but they're all house cats That's a circus. Yeah a circus. Well, you know circus is other things, but that particular aspect of a circus Sure, he has but you know the whole thing is it's done with house cats and he's made enough Over the decades doing that act on a on a on a sidewalk somewhere out in miami or Someone else in florida saw me. Um To put his kids through college Tom has Whoa What was that? Oh, no, it's you too. Come on in loose Good grief Loose caboose Hey, come on in. I should have went to that donut store. You want to be on camera too? Come on Come on, both of you. Very it anybody listening to our post show for the first time is like, what is with this mass insanity? Who are all these people coming into the room talking about donuts? Somebody's singing will smith songs they're cats Lucy no something about florida florida cat show florida cat show Oh, let me explain loud noises That was a cat show french guy Sam's like, oh, i'm so happy. Oh, yeah dominique la fort is his name key west's cat man. That's his name Oh my gosh, I need to meet him to chat Maybe a detainer's labs Tom hats about time Sam you feeling better? Okay Run along now run along kitten. Bye. Bye Fly away home The fort a french man named actual children You can't hear my kid That's a question for you. I just I just don't know how people have actual. Oh, no My daughter was calling at me through the door. Really? Yeah, I didn't hear it You know how you you know how you live with kids and spend money and resources It's with the objective of when I'm old and somewhat Not as you know spry that I have someone to kind of look after me Yeah, even if I'm in a one to be angry at for not looking after you right I just need someone to make sure when they give my meds at shady acres That is the right meds. I almost have a full overwatch team because I had kids I'll play overwatch together. So it worked out in the end. That was the goal Actually, I don't know what it'll be called but i'll need five kids to play it The epiphany came when I forgot my phone and I asked ellie go get daddy's phone. She said okay She ran across the other in the house to get it And you're like tasks. She can do tasks Amazing and that opposable thug comes in real handy grabbing my phone Not like those pandas Uh, oh, did you go are you editing the post now? No, I am not editing the post it went back to saying you're editing the post Why does it keep saying that? I don't know That's weird I should be in the uh It should be in the um just the the root of the post I the root of the post Let me double check Ladies and gentlemen I hope you enjoyed Anthony limos is currently editing. Okay. Good. I just I wanted to make sure he could get in there Doing the show notes. Thank you. Amos Mmm famous Amos cookies. I need some of those famous Amos show notes is what's happened in an arm blog I'm not sure why famous Amos cookies are as good as they are They are they are though. They're very I I was introduced to famous Amos through a vending machine because I was really hungry everybody's like, oh, you gotta try the I'm like They're dry and crumbly. Why do you like they are dry? Yeah, and they are crumbly. I am the person who doesn't like in and out in the situation. I get it I get it You know, you and my wife should get married because my wife doesn't like doesn't know what the above. Well, that would be problematic problematic for many reasons Yeah, that's probably not the solution to the famous Amos discrepancy here. I'm guessing you're right, you know Keep your honor in the open. That's cool No, I love that. Do you like mrs. Fields cookies? Yes. I do like mrs. Fields I mean She's from utah. Where where would I ever get them? This is a park city utah lady. Yeah, she got there and started those vending machines, too Very rich they had them at the tech tv vending machine the mrs. Fields No, you have to my my I got those frozen ones. Were you baking me up and they're all right? Oh, wow No, I'm thinking of the ones that are like two oatmeal raisin in a plastic bag. No No, what do you mean? No oatmeal raisin It's kind of a why would you take a bowl? I love oatmeal raisin cookies. Thank you. It's talking bad about oatmeal raisin cookies. Save me sweet chocolate only All right, maybe you should marry your wife. Yeah Don't you guys agree? Yeah, why don't you just marry your wife, Roger? That'd be so complicated and then what about the kids or kid? And we have to divorce my wife and then remarry her. I'd like you to meet your new parents us your old parents Okay, uh enough of this silliness. Thank you for watching And uh any last words from our cavalcade of contributors and co-hosts? No. Oh, all right See you next time. Which is tomorrow with Justin Robert Young