 Hey, jabbam-de-beba-ba-ba-ba! Alright! We like to have a lot of fun around here. But sometimes we are in some trouble writing sketches. We'll be clipped. This is all trash. We've been sitting around here writing for 30 minutes, and it's all trash, Josh. We can't be out of sketch ideas. We've only had one episode, too. On episode two. How...why can't we think of anything? Quick. What's that? We do have one piece of fan mail. Well, don't just sit there on your butt. Open it up. From James. Hi. Love the work you've done, Cue the Spirit. Wow. Oh, it's great to be a fan. We do have a fan. Maybe for the next episode, Cue can roll you into a large cigarette and beat you. I think you're going to like it. That's James. That's... That's a... That's not a sketch, right, Cue? It's an idea. But... Huh, let's beat you. I don't know if I want to be beaten as a human cigarette. I'm a little bit skeptical. Yeah, you're right. That won't work. All right, Josh. I've actually kind of been working on a sketch idea myself and I haven't told you about it. I've just been really working out all the kinks, but I think it's pretty solid now and I'm ready to pitch it. Tell me. So what if I'm just like a really popular man around town, right, and I'm just kind of walking down the street and I'm like, hey, oh, hey, hey, how's the wife? Hey, ooh, is that soup? Maybe I'll try a little bit. Great to see you. Is that anything? I mean, it's a little bit delusional, but... Okay. Gape? Oh, for me? Sure. How delicious, friend of mine. Anyway, Ben is not on the street. Ben is right behind us. He's baking the cake in the house. You're just hiring me. Josh. I'm Hugh Hearn. And welcome to the Hugh's Hearn show. Hey, I'm Josh. Today we have a lot of fun guests. Don't we, Josh? Yeah, man. Run that tape. You said it, buddy. Today we have a viewer back. Welcome to Hugh's Hearn, a show for the herd. Today we have... Well, we're incredibly lucky to have guests who are just way more famous and talented than the two of us combined. We have Rob Pooley and Luke Jarvis. Hey, fellas. Let me panic, and then let me just guess. Rob? You're Rob. Rob Pooley? There it is. All right. That's fine. That's fine. We'll only make that mistake once within this time. Or I won't. You know, we'll never know. Thank you for being here, fellas. So Rob Pooley and Luke Jarvis, of course, have a beautiful website, www.tracegados.tv. You can find them on social media. Just get that out of the way. Get the plugs out of the way. Because our small pool might not have heard of you, because me and Josh, a couple of North Carolinians, haven't spent much time in Arlington or Boston and New York. How did you feel to start working with ACMI? Rob, Rob's the Arlington resident, and so Rob and I were already... We had a production company, and we were producing a lot of different content. And of course, one of the common struggles when you're starting out is sourcing equipment. We had some stuff of our own that we used, but inevitably for a lot of things, particularly our own personal projects, we ended up wanting to rent stuff that was a little better. And I don't even remember exactly how we figured out about ACMI. Specifically, I think what happened was we were filming a pilot for NBC Sports Boston. We wanted to pitch a talk show about the Celtics, all with comedians talking about the Celtics, which ultimately we did film in NBC Sports Boston and said no. So that is what it is. We were looking for a studio space, and again, we were prepared to rent something, and then we discovered that actually Rob lives in Arlington and they have this incredible studio where we could film for a very nominal cost. So that started our relationship with ACMI, and from there we discovered not only did they have that studio, but they have all types of equipment that was super valuable for us for different projects and also a community of people and staff members who are fellow creatives making stuff. So that was really cool. It was very random and kind of by happenstance, but we're really grateful for it because it's hard to imagine doing some of the stuff we do now without their help. And that's the gear that you use now because a couple of college students, like watching y'all's videos, I mean, it looks so superb. It's very clean, and then I was just watching the janitor fighting the bully one earlier today. It's just such clean, well shot cinematographic, all those buzzwords. But then you'll just have the montage of him sitting on whoopie cushions. Maybe we can touch that in here. It's just a great combination. Yeah, thank you. I think you throw some people off. There's definitely some, we rely more heavily on slapstick than at least most other stuff that I see getting made right now. I don't know, sometimes I wonder if we're kind of out of fashion or something. But yeah, we like to have really high production values, but also have really goofy, dumb stuff in there sometimes. Yeah, it's like a great way to kind of trick people and reel them in, you know? Exactly. It's all about the deceit. I should plug and say, on top of the generous plugs you already gave us, our short is appearing in the independent Boston Film Festival, IFF Boston, this coming weekend and then next week. IFF Boston, it's the biggest film festival in Boston. It's one we were really excited to be in. It would have been like a year ago. It was one of these ones that got postponed because of COVID and all that, and now is only online, although one benefit of being online is, for instance, maybe someone could get a lot of people to watch. Yeah, anyway, it's cool. We're excited to be in it, and it's fun that at least it's getting some amount of festival exposure even though the timing of the release really couldn't have been worse. We originally put it out right at the beginning of 2020. The first festivals were like March. I remember realizing when the first one got postponed, I remember I was telling Rob, the other ones are getting postponed. Man, this is like a little blip. We don't need to cancel our flights. We wouldn't postpone it again. Obviously, I was wrong. It was a year of very bad predictions by everybody, I think. I actually nailed every prediction after that, but that first ones were committed old women. We did just wrap something that we're very excited about that we did film during COVID, which is our first feature-length film. Yeah, we shot that and wrote and produced it entirely during COVID. It's super fun, super exciting, something that will hopefully be out this fall. So are you guys in North Carolina? Josh is in North Carolina. I'm over in Boston right now. So we're really, we're stretched in four different directions right now. I only asked because a bunch of the festivals we submitted, I was trying to look for festivals that are worth it and actually seem really cool and popular. And I was surprised how many of those are down in the South. I mean, we submitted to Nashville Film Festival. Atlanta Film Festival. Yeah, we didn't submit to that one. That was too early a deadline. It's so weird though. Atlanta recently, I guess, became kind of a big film city just because of Tyler Perry and whatnot. My mom always tries to get me to apply to be an extra in those movies. Hugh drives from Boston down to Atlanta to be in the background of a Tyler Perry movie. It makes perfect sense. You could be the one in the background that's like, I love you, Medea. Or I just don't understand that I'm in a movie and I'm like, I love you Tyler Perry and then I have to get escorted offset. I heard about not to take us too far off track, but I just talked to a friend who works in the industry and they have a very close friend of theirs that they got work as an extra on a television series. And the person filmed an entire episode where they were featured pretty prominently in the background and they got so bored over the course of the day of working on it that they would very intensely stare into the camera. And they did it so many times that they couldn't air the episode of the show afterwards. After they edited, they realized and they were like, this guy ruined the show. Oh man. But that could have been you. That could still be you, maybe. Yeah, I mean, as long as this episode doesn't blow up and then I get a blacklisted in Hollywood trumbo style or something. Hugh will look at the camera at my childhood home now and I mentioned my parents about this show and they're like, that's arrogant Massachusetts. You got to be careful what you're saying. I'm like, come back to Vyche. That's fine. Yeah, Josh was just talking about how much he likes JFK the other day. So we're beloved in the Northeast. Why have we loved you so much through different times? I had another question for you, fellas. Was I just with your Jander video, I really felt like it just had a rhythm to it. I felt like that with the video called Wall as well. Oh, Lincoln Wall. But like, do you guys, I know that the music video is something that y'all create as well and that it will be hired to do. And do you see that kind of influencing the way that you like edit or pace any of the other things that you make? For sure. Definitely from the concept, from jump, think about rhythm and music. Apart from even our own production, just love music, love talking about music. And love montage. I think one of the things, my favorite part of the janitor short is the training sequence, which is purely just music and visuals. And that's just, I mean, that's, I think, when that's the most cinematic type of video you can make is when you're propelling a story entirely through visual, basically, and then music helps sort of compliment that and provide the rhythm. So, yeah, that's a type of thing that we're drawn to. There's some scenes like that and the feature that we just made as well, maybe to a lesser degree, because it's a feature. So, I guess you need to give it a little bit more of like a lifelike rhythm sometimes. But yeah, it's just, it's so fun, I think, when you're watching something and it's just propelled purely by music and eye-catching visuals. It's also just efficient storytelling, you know, which I think is something in music videos, too, where you just, you have to be ultra-efficient with the time that you have, because it's very limited. So, I think we really pride ourselves in trying to be as efficient as possible with storytelling. And montages have evolved quite a bit from like the eye of the tiger phase, when it was just, that was like the only one. We've definitely, it's gone from music, kind of just being in the background to driving it more and such. Sorry, I'm holding some Pokemon cards as a fidget board. Naturally. Just like Charlie Rose would do when he was doing his interviews. Yeah, yeah, Letterman would always just be under the table like this, you know. Gotta catch them all. Where in Carolina are you guys from? Because I'm from Carolina originally. I was born there in Greensboro and my big brother still lives in Charlotte. Oh, really? Oh, well, we're from Chapel Hill. Well, Josh lives in Chapel Hill, but with us, he's from Newberry originally. I'm just gonna speak for Josh. Yeah, Chapel Hill right near campus of UNC. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, what was it like growing up in Greensboro? I really enjoyed it. And then I guess, how did that lead to y'all two meeting? Was it, was there a tale of the oldest time? I lived in Greensboro till I was about like 12 years old. Then I moved up to Massachusetts with my family when my dad got a job up here and he had some family up here. And shortly after that moved to Bedford, Mass, where Luke and I met in sixth, seventh grade and since then I've been friends. So, oh, wow. So quick question here. Is there another cat or like, where's the name from? Was it a trio of you guys first or? That's a great question. Get asked it a lot. And I've never quite developed the correct quippy answer. I mean, the real answer is... I have a fake answer I can give after the one you give. All right. You can give the real answer. The real answer is it was a name hatched by another buddy of ours that we grew up with. Like sophomore year of high school. Yeah, like super like, and like this is, you know, like the most dumb, terrible little videos that we would shoot. And we would call, and it was me and two other guys actually, Rob wasn't even involved at that time. Although Rob later got it, but you know, that was just our like brand, right? Like, and it's, it never made any sense even at the time. Like it was purely, I can still picture being in the room and he just kind of looks around because you know, you want to make the fake credits. It's like the best part of making the terrible movie. Yeah. When you're like really, really young is like, oh yeah, we're going to make the credits and that'll look like a real movie. You know, and then you make it scroll up like, yeah, exactly. It takes like 10 minutes to get to the movie because there's so many credits. And so we needed our fake production company and there was three of us in the room. And the first suggestion was Trace Gatos. And that's what we went with. You spend more time working on the title of the movie than the actual script. You just sort of sit around and you're like, yeah, but what do we call it? Yeah, right. And all the titles didn't make sense either. My fake answer for why we're called Trace Gatos is because it's me, it's Luke, and it's Luke's cat, Charlie. So that's my fake answer that, I don't know, Luke. We're still searching for a better fake answer if you guys have one. Yeah, I think, yeah. I've liked all these answers so far. I was assuming that you were going to say it was you, Luke, and then you were leaving room for Jesus or something like that. That would have been better. I thought he was doing something like that too. Hang on to that one. You can have that one for free. These are good answers. Honestly, I just also like the irony of they're not being three. That's a good enough reason to have three in the title. Here's the other, so if you Google Trace Gatos. It's Mexican restaurants, right? Correct. That's what I call them. It's one restaurant. As far as I've found, there's only two Trace Gatos in North America. I'm going to go ahead and say that as a fact. Our production company at a Mexican restaurant that's like 20 minutes from us. And we didn't realize that, obviously, until fairly recently. And it does seem especially strange that it would be a company or a restaurant in Massachusetts. One of our long-term goals is to destroy them somehow. Or buy them out. Buy them out, yeah. For our memorabilia, like a planet Hollywood or something. That's like 18 months away, at least. Yeah, we've got to work out a little bit on that. Oh, yeah. Well, it's like how there's actually a farm right next to Josh and I's apartment that's called Hughes Heard, where they herd sheep. And we've been trying to firebomb them since. Well, I would go the other way. I think you just show up and go, all right, I'm ready. Where's my sheep? I would also like to, with our remaining time, jump into a little bit of TV talk, which is just basically how we sold the show when we were pitching it initially. We said that we wanted to talk about what we're watching. And then it's kind of sold into like a five-minute sketch comedy thing at the beginning, these great interviews. So for legal purposes, what have you all been watching lately on streaming services, movies? Rob, take the lead, buddy. I've been rewatching two things. I've been rewatching The Sopranos, which I think is the best drama of all time. And I've been rewatching The Simpsons. And pretty much it's the only two things I've been watching for like 25 years. But yeah, like I love The Simpsons so much. I think Luke and I both think it's like a huge, call it our biggest influence. Yeah, I'll throw this one. So just because we were mentioning our tone earlier, I think one thing that we've pitched or described our videos in the past is like The Simpsons brought to life or something like that. And we've been repeatedly advised not to say that because for a number of reasons. The Simpsons hasn't been popular in the same way. Well, but yeah, and I think it was an industry person who told us like The Simpsons means something different to everybody or something. And therefore like it's not a great way of actually describing whatever it is you're trying to describe. But what it meant to us I think was that there's a mix of sort of like earnest heart and then also like super broad wackiness, which I think to some degree you can see even in that Janet is short. But anyway, I will second Rob and say that The Simpsons is definitely, I mean, those early seasons I guess he would say. Yeah, I mean, I think it really, if you start watching it, like if you watch when like the first five seasons are airing, that's like pretty different show from like next five. And then you have like all the ones that they're making now still, like they're still making them. And that is a, that's a weird show. It's a weird show now. It helps me out. Part of it, I keep wondering if like the right writing team or something could just suddenly get it back to not exactly what it was, but at least something not what it is. But I don't know, maybe it's not possible. All I can think is if for some reason it was like big news like Simpsons is going to have a big last episode, like they're going to wrap it all up. Like maybe it's like 45 minutes. I would be pretty excited about that, even though I haven't like watched any of the new ones since like season 15 or something. I'd be sad about it, even though I haven't watched any of the new ones. I like the idea that it's on, even though I never, ever, ever watch it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, it's like when you don't stay in touch with someone and you're like, I bet they're doing good. Yeah, like it was their birthday on Facebook. I'll like give them a thumbs up. I'm trying to think of things. There's always those celebrities that will pass away. I'm trying to think of like a more recent one where it's like a person I haven't thought of in like 15 years, but then the second they pass away, I'm just like, what? We need them. Right. Jerry Stiller died this year. And I was like, hadn't seen anything that he'd been in for a while. And I was like, oh, we need it. That guy, we needed him from comedy in 2021. I honestly don't know that I felt the exact, that's a great example. I felt the exact same way. And I really can't think of anything since like, I don't know, Seinfeld really, I guess he's on King of Queens, but I didn't really watch King of Queens. Did you have a heartbreak kid with pretty good? Heartbreak kid. I was actually curious if I've been, I found, I've wanted to watch the original heartbreak kid with Charles Groton for like maybe 10 years now. And I can't seem to find anywhere to watch it. If anybody at home watching this happens to have a hookup for the heartbreak kid, let me know. Luke is an anchor. If Charles Groton is watching. He's such a ritual. Um, I have, I, I saw it, you know, was similarly kind of inspired to really want to track it down. Huge Charles Groton fan. And I remember being a little underwhelmed. Brody. Professor. You know, that was a while ago. It's available. Was it the same plot as the one with Ben Stiller? What did you say? Was it like the same plot as the one with Ben Stiller and like, I understand. I think so. I haven't seen the Stiller one, but it's, it's gotta be. The weird thing is it's available on Amazon for $99 used and new for $135. And that's the only way that I really good. I'd like to meet the person. It just sells for the used one. I mean, I really, really want to see it, but I'll take my chance. Man, imagine that DVD was so worth it. I don't, if I watch it 99 more times, I'd still keep watching it. With every penny. Josh, you got anything for us? You've been streaming. Oh, well, I haven't watched anything lately, but the one thing that makes you want to read by Netflix is a flying Lotus got his, I believe it's like an animated show, Avatar style uploaded. And I think that sounds pretty sick. I don't know. Yeah. So I've been listening to the soundtrack and it was, I didn't know this was a thing until the soundtrack came out last, whatever, Friday. What's the show called? Yasuki? Is that it? Yeah, that's that's it. So the soundtrack, I guess that makes sense. And you haven't seen it, but you're saying you think it would be good. Oh, totally. I mean, I really like, I feel like all those musicians, like certainly like Thundercat and Flying Lotus and there's like Kamazii Washington, they're all into like anime. So I feel like whatever, like, they were together to produce with like the music. It must slap pretty hard. Yeah. And Kamazii Washington, incredible. Midnight Gospel was a Netflix cartoon that came out recently. And I feel like it could be something like that. That was a pretty good one. It was like they would like take podcast recordings and like just animate over them, make them these kind of like wacky adventure time looking stories. And it could be kind of like that. I don't know why I get adventure time vibes from Thundercat. But I guess that's just the kind of cartoon that I would want to watch. And if I were to plug any kind of show that I've been streaming lately, I would say have you there, you all seen How To with John Wilson? It's on HBO Max. Yeah, I'm familiar with it. And I've heard great things. I've actually, it's one of those ones that's been recommended so many times that I'm like not watching it almost as like. You're numb to it. Just passes right over. Which I know is like an immature response. It's I mean it's like they only there's only six 30 minute episodes. So it's not like you should like rush out and say HBO Max. You've got me hooked for a year or anything. But it's kind of cool. I mean I saw it's produced by it's produced by Nathan Fielder, right? Yeah, and we love Nathan for you. Nathan for you. We produce by Nathan Fielder. Yeah, it's it has the same energy for sure. Really? It's the same thing where it's like is this guy just like really dying in character or is he awkward but kind of aware that but it worked for me there. That's cool. It seems like already HBO Max has a much higher batting average than like Netflix or Amazon Prime. Or I mean I guess Amazon Prime isn't quite in the same league. But like. But I mean I just watched more to combat and it was it was really bad. It was the new one. I saw the first like five minutes or something and I don't know what I was expecting. Like I was like oh yeah he like gets stabbed in the heart or something. You know like I don't know just super graphic violence. It's like yeah it's as advertised. It's Mortal Kombat. That's what it is. Yeah yeah. 10 minutes in I was like I'm lost. Like I don't know what's going on. So you're saying it was a little too intellectual? Yeah oh the plot just went right over my head. No I made it an hour in and then I started googling if the movie got any better. Like that was the point I was at. And they're like it needs a sequel. Like they don't go to the Mortal Kombat tournament in this one. Which you would you would think with the name. But they don't. Did you like the original Mortal Kombat? I actually just watched that afterwards. I was like let's take it old school. And it was pretty good. I liked it. This is where you fall down. How do you get these guys? Is it available for. I'll make that my plug. Is it available for less than a hundred dollars? Oh okay good. Oh yeah that's my price point. It's into a VHS tape that's broken and it's still five thousand. That's great. Well we told you fellas 30 minutes. We'll trim two minutes off to keep to our word. And for Hughes heard. I'm Hugh. And for Hugh heard. Yeah thanks fellas. Rob Pooley Luke Jarvis. Thank you for being here. Yeah awesome it was fun. We never nailed down our closing line. If you guys had any good ideas. I'm Hugh and Hugh. I'm trying to think of a Hugh you sort of. You're actually Hugh's heard and cuts right off. Disney Channel. Yeah just throw in some of those the crappy music that we're talking about for public domain. Make that your jingle. Yeah okay yeah we'll just find the first most royalty free song. I would go the other way again. I would do a Rihanna song and hope to get an illegal dispute. That could be good promotion. That would really publicize and change. That would be our ticket to fame right now. Hugh's heard brought to you by Flying Lotus. Just like I can't play him throughout. And then they get the legal rights to it and they change it to Flying Lotus is heard. But they gain the they gain like the 30 followers we have.