 Good afternoon everyone. I'd like to call the order meeting of the city of Santa Rosa design review board on today, October 3rd First item of business is a roll call Patty Let the record reflect that all board members are present except for vice chair Hedgeman Thank You patty Next item is approval of the minutes has everyone had a chance to review the minutes and does anyone have any Changes corrections Adam I have one Comments on the Scheduled items the concept is energy for College Creek. I just wanted to amend the As I don't know which line it would be Sorry patty, but um where it says Consider unpaved space and lieu of a pool. I would like that to read consider Common space instead of just unpaved It's my my comment on that was to not just take out any any pavement But to make it into a common area for the tenants perspective tenants And that's all you got that patty Excellent any other comments Okay with that change we'll put them into record board business This is where we address the Public and let them know what our purview is as the design review board versus other boards or commissions in the city So I will read the design review board statement of purpose Project review the review authority shall consider the location design site plan Configuration and the overall effect of the proposed project upon surrounding properties and the city in general Review shall be conducted by comparing the proposed project to the general plan any a applicable specific plan applicable zoning code standards and requirements Consistency of the project within the city's design guidelines architectural criteria for special areas and other applicable city requirements I eat policy statements or development plans So that's purview of this board At this time, I'd like to open up for public comment on any items not on today's agenda But are in the purview of the design review board any members of the public wishing to speak on Anything not on the agenda today Seeing no one approach the microphone. I will close public comment Next item is statements of abstentions by board members any board members need to abstain from the item today seeing none We will move on to the scheduled item This is a modification to final design review the lodge at Piner Road 1980 Piner Road at file number DR19-044 and Susie Marie is here to give us a presentation One second you got it. I'm technically challenged here So just bear with us for a sec you and me both take about a three-minute recess here Okay, we'll get it straightened out. Yeah, three-minute recess and we'll straighten out the technical difficulties. Thank you Yes, I have a question. I know this is we're on recess right now. Sorry Give us a minute Chair concave looks like we might have a little bit more of a significant technical issue here so what we'd like to do if the chair of the board pleases is take a Five to ten minute break will print hard copies at the PowerPoint and then we'll do it the old-fashioned way We'll leave some copies up for the public and we'll give copies to each of the board members Sounds good. Let's go ahead and take a ten minute break just to make sure people don't have to rush around too much We're gonna call the meeting back to order. How about that? Thanks to city IT and patty for making hard copies, which we now don't need That's how it works once you finish the task. It's comes back online So We'll go ahead and restart with the staff presentation from Susie Murray Good afternoon again chair concave and board members the project before you is one that was before you earlier this year It's the lodge. It's a 92 unit senior Assisted care and memory care Living facility that was already approved back in January of this year On January 3rd the zoning administrator reviewed the conditional use permit It was a minor conditional use permit which locked in the site plan and then on this on later that day we brought the the facility itself before the the design review board and And it received design review Granted design review the property is located in the northwest quadrant of the city up Just just west of the corner of Marlowe and Piner Road Here's an aerial of the site. It's still just as empty as it was back then Excuse me the general plan land use for the area is It's actually a combination retail and business services and medium density residential It's also designated as a community shopping center and it allows for a mix of residential uses and commercial uses It's one of several parcels that make up that land use designation The zoning just as a refresher is general commercial which is consistent with the general plan land use the proposed modifications Include changes to the architecture paving inciting and planting materials the relocation Removal and addition I guess of landscape features and decorative features and change it and all the changes comply with the required development development standards Here's kind of side-by-side renderings the one the smaller one on the left is the approved Entry way and the one on the right is the proposed port-a-cache area and This is just a different perspective of the same area I'm going to kind of breeze through this is the proposed site plan But I'm really going to defer to the applicant who's going to explain the changes What was done to both the site plan and the elevations? so and my my Exhibits look just like theirs, so you'll see them again in a couple minutes This is This was included in your packets And it shows on the the top what was approved and on the bottom What what is being proposed on all four elevations starting here with the south and the west? Elevations and then we go to the north and the east elevations here And again, you'll have more time to look at these in just a couple of minutes The proposed landscape kind of focuses on let's see on the trees crepe myrtle and Columbia London plane tree And then they've got a larger mix of Shrubs Site features they've provided samples. I think the lighting is pretty much the same The fence may be a little bit taller around the wetlands area, and they propose some changes to the garbage enclosure So the project has been found as it was in January Category categorically exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act As infill development and it also qualified for a streamlining measure as it's consistent with both zoning and the general plan We received one public comment, which was I believe forwarded to you pertaining to traffic That fell under the the previous review I Understand the concerns, but I it's something that was considered previously And that is not before the board tonight and or that it's the design of the building not the traffic impacts So with that it is recommended by the Planning and Economic Development Department that the design review board grant final design review for the Lodge a 92-bed memory care and assisted living facility located at 1980 Pine Road and That concludes my presentation, and I know the applicant has one for you great. Thanks, Suzy We'll take questions for staff first and I picked on Adam last night, so Drew I'm gonna start with you You have any questions for staff This may be a question for both staff in the app camp, but I'll just go ahead and ask it Suzy do you know if the primary driver for the adjustments were a building plan check or Because I mean they did reference the development standard So I'm wondering if something came out during building plan check that they had to adjust maybe they can answer that It did not from our end. It didn't yeah, all right. Thanks Thanks, Drew Henry questions for staff no questions Adam questions for staff No questions right now Rat questions for staff No questions Eric questions for staff, and I have no questions for staff. Thank you for the presentation Now I'd like to invite the applicant team up to make a presentation If you could remember to speak into the microphone and when you introduce yourself if you could tell us your both your name and your Relationship to the project that'd be appreciated. Hi. Good afternoon. My name is Aaron Clark with Lennarty architecture. Thank you Suzy for your presentation I'd like to thank the board and the chair for your time this evening such a precious resource so I Thank you for giving that to us today Very excited to present this project and the modifications that we've developed over the last six months With me tonight is the development team From Blue Mountain construction services. We have Gordon Stankowski. He's the director of construction We have Robert Moody who is the project manager We have Larry Cantrell who will be the site superintendent and We have Carlos del Rosario who is a project administrator. We have Also some design gurus We have Judy Stan Kausig Stan Kausig design consultant and interior designer Don in Lucia Donna Lucia, so If there is anything in regards to operations or construction I will bring them up as necessary to answering the questions that you have so The project we've been working with Blue Mountain for about six months they purchased the project at that time and drew hopefully this can answer your question at that time Ownership came to us and there were a series of interior programming elements that were not Copacetic with the actual Operators function of the building so essentially The design had to go through primarily it started as an interior design modification exercise Once we started there. We obviously The interior changes affected the exterior. We did research both on the Building code the function the side layout we did all our due diligence and We went through and Made these updates for that reason So I'd like to go through and present some of the changes to the project To the To the north on Piner Road We were looking essentially the site access has say has stayed essentially the same Along the front we eliminated some parking stalls and adjusted the Elevation we added more gables For the building code we had to add some EV parking now just to clarify in terms of schedule We are at the design ending to design development phase or moving into construction documents We have not submitted the building permit yet grading permit has been submitted We removed some decorative paving we modified the trash enclosure area We adjusted some parking stores just for Function but essentially the site access the fire access the wetlands the pedestrian path to the south The majority of the building has remained the same we removed some fencing in the rear we've Accommodated with landscape screening and storm planters and that will be shown on the landscape plan This is this is in the package that you presented and what we wanted to be very clear on is That the massing in the bulk of the project remained substantially in conformance with the previous project this is an exhibit of the first floor plan and It I'll get primarily on to the exterior elevations, but the the dining the entry sequence Everything was changed relatively fairly dramatically to make the program work Here's a upstairs floor plan with the memory care to the south in the roof plan Essentially and you'll notice from the elevations We kept the large forms and the gables very similar to the existing project It was more of massaging and refining the the project based on the interior elements so As you can see from the elevation looking at the north elevation We did go back and listen to the design review comments And we both saw the previous the very first design the second approved design that you're seeing on the top And we actually went through there was a comment in this area about having some symmetry and making sure that the windows are in alignment You'll notice that throughout the whole building We've been very particular to make sure that there is this window alignment You will notice the removal of storefront We did that because the building It's a commercial building, but it's when people approach the building. They want to feel like they're coming to a home not a Retail center, so we adjusted the windows to be more punctuated and Feel more residential You can see that we added gables We felt it appropriate as it's the large upon a road to add some gables and We went and followed through with a consistent design theme. You can see where there's stone. There's lap siding At the ends we have a consistent theme with stone and lap siding There was some trellises on the side of the building adjacent wargreens in the parking lot we decided to make the trellises a little bit more functional and on on the south On the south we've added shading devices and these trellises will both be function and there'll be aesthetic Of course, what's not showing here is the shadow effect that will occur on on these on these trellises You can tell the large the gable here matches the gable you can see that there's a singular gable and what matches here in a double gable elements of the large Elements are the same. We've just refined and tried to warm up the palette of the project As you can tell from the existing elevation there was a variety of Stepping elements that were occurring in the building they were doing that with roofing They were doing that with stone ways coding and we've provided that with trellis elements and you can see in these instances how that undulation is occurring with the belly banding and trellises here's an example of the The awnings and the siding material and the elevations Clearly without vegetation and we do have if there's any questions in regards to actual color palette We do have stone samples. We've got We've got the hearty that we're proposing the colors, so Please feel free. We can bring those up to show you if you have any questions on those The the split rail fence has remained the same. This is an indication of the trellis element will be using on the building the Trash enclosure will match the building in color and tone and Once again, the re one of the prime reasons we changed the portico share was to show The lodge feel And you can you can tell that that's been Promoted with the gable and excuse me one of the modifications to the landscape plan that East we removed some trees for storm storm water functioning I'm getting a recall. I apologize and We removed fencing on the west side But the majority of the landscape plan has remained essentially the same We relocated this entry sign to the north west of the property So with that I'd like to open up any questions that you may have And hopefully I can answer them Thank you very much for the presentation We'll take questions and then we'll take public comment after that. So Drew again start with you questions for the applicant. Let's save comments for later You got it. I just have two questions And I was trying to dig through my old plan set versus new plan set and I frankly I think I'm just getting I'm forgetting because this wasn't that long ago, but I'm forgetting there was never a fence along the north side At Piner, right? That's correct. I thought I just for some reason I had it in my head. Maybe we talked about including offense Maybe that's what I had stuck in my head And then my second question is I Guess it's the roof plan. It's probably the best place to look at it your proposed roof plan so at the Southeast corner I guess it's both of it's really the Both of those South kind of hip gables. They're kind of Kind of funky to me I Don't remember I don't remember that being in the old one But I guess that's a resolution with kind of what you were talking about about your rhythm with the gables And that's pretty much the only way you could have solved that Because that's correct. Yeah, yeah, absolutely in the roof plan We we wanted to Present the gables on the end with a consistent theme so you can see that they're both facing north and they're both facing south Yeah, it kind of it kind of creates a strange condition in Elevation on the west and the east side, but I Think you're right. How else do you resolve that other than it's either it's a gable Facing both ways with a dead valley kind of situation or it's a hip So you just got it. It's kind of you just kind of pick one. Yeah, I thought that was my question though That's really the only way to solve that in terms of your design Yet and I think that looking in Elevation versus perspective is a different experience as well, and I think That will it will be softer. Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, okay. Those are my questions. Thanks Thank you drew Henry questions Yeah That's actually the perfect page right there the the building section a that's through units above and below is that is that true? But the upper left hand corner of that slide So so in the improved kind of a four-foot Difference in structure and ceiling and in the in the proposed you have 12 feet So that the ceilings in the units are going to be 12 feet high They will be in some areas like the bathrooms closets. We fur them down in Primarily we do that in the common area to create an interstitial space for the HVAC and We've done tricks in the past where We will Take two-thirds will put a belly band and then we will paint different color to get the perception of a lower experience in the unit But yeah, that's That is the design Okay, and my only other question is the the fenestration the windows that were Approved were those true divided lights or were those gridded Sandwiched in between dual-plane glazing or the approved was Milgaard quiet line The actual function. I am not exactly sure of at this point We do have Standard slider windows Which will be vinyl that will be a beige color Okay, that's my question Thanks, thanks Henry Adam questions for the applicant Sure, thank you, and thank you for your presentation Couple of questions in terms of the exterior Decorations and some of the flavor that's around just wondering the rationale behind Removing things like the decorative paving or you know I understand with the entry way yet you have some utilities you needed to remove the fountain and Sign for but just wondering about other things. It was about engineering or not as As you can the the the pluses and minuses of construction were a primary Effect and when we were looking at the aesthetic design at the building We have you'll notice the shutters. You'll notice the metal canopies. You'll notice the The Julia balconies so there's been a lot more Emphasis and effort put and cost put to the vertical face of the building as opposed to the plane I would definitely agree generally with a change of experience in paving if you were trying to create traffic control in terms of Speed etc. And in this instance instance in just regards the trade-off we thought it was going to be better value Dressing up the building and and how we did it with adding on those elements to make the building vertical look more residential Okay Another question is about the Courtyard area seems like it's been the inner sort of open open space I'm has been shrunk a lot that looks like the darn dining or gathering areas sort of jetting out into it I know they sort of goes to the LA in from the entrance, but I'm just wondering what the Reasoning irrational mind shrinking that you know the only open space for outdoor space for the residents is When we started to redesign the interior of the building once again, we get to performer and we get to function and The amount of common space that was available for use for the residents to make their experience Pleasant throughout the day and to achieve those activities room size the dining room size The kitchen for example is a third bigger than what it needed to be just function the amount the amount that you serve actually in this facility so There's that which had to build additional constraint, but there was an owner request and they're in a request was that The experience from the dining room having light coming in from both sides. It really is a wonderful experience And the operator has one facility like that. He really likes it And that was a program issue that he wanted to incorporate into the project. So that's how we Incorporated that design. We also there was a gated area at the back Which I imagined was to bring memory care residents down into The the lower area Yes, so what we have done what we have done on the upstairs is we've created a deck for the memory kid actually be out at Traverse directly from their living space out into an open area and not have to be escorted downstairs it's has the operational issues there and We actually are in the process of working With the development team to and the design team to create The experience from the top of that roof like the rooms looking out onto that roof What's that gonna be look like we've talked about sculptures wind art We've talked about all these wonderful things for the residents that have something that's enjoyable to look at And in regards to the width to height ratio I've been in courtyards That are about one to one in terms of height to width and they they work once you start getting beyond That it feels really really compact Yes, and and and the majority of the times when you visit these facilities they use them Occasionally, but it's not a primary function. I mean someone like you or I would get more used out of sitting out in the larger open area And they Won't use this. Yeah, so I mean, but it is an adequate size and it is in in our experience Okay. Yeah, because I wondered if there were there was reasoning behind that, you know therapy or the you know medical concerns because you know the exposure today exterior for for People that are older and memory issues or you know, so you have thinking of therapeutic architecture as well But please please do you're thinking of adding in some of those elements with the Exactly, and then we've talked about keeping keeping a visual to that same deck So as the memory care people are on that deck, they'll be looking on top of that roof deck with so if there's interesting stuff going on They can they can observe that and be entertained by it. Yeah, thanks for explaining that those are my questions Thank you Adam Brett questions for the applicant Yes, thank you, I think for me the same questions from from Adam about the courtyard and and kind of the the decrease in square footage of that I think is I Understand the you know internal kind of programmatic issues and concerns, but really I mean this the the site is Kind of you know maxed out and in terms of you know a pleasant I guess experience Outside of outside of the building the only thing that's offered up is the courtyard, you know the two the two courtyards now And I just I just I just concerned about I guess that you know that element being Well one Being being lush enough and inviting and comforting enough Because these are you know people, you know that have you know major struggles and so I think You know when we when we talk about you know Biophilip design or these kind of terms about you know making sure people have You know can view these lush environments It's either for me the courtyard is either completely planted out and inaccessible for the most part You know and kind of just just anchor the building with that type of You know that type of treatment and maybe there's nooks for seating and things like that But getting into the touch and feel of the plant material and in those kind of sensory things You're not getting that on the perimeter of the site necessarily or these walks that but right up against a building the building foundation but It might be in that interior courtyard where people can actually find respite and not you know Pavement and deck and and things and I really like the the ideas that you're throwing around about the the rooftop and that view From units down to that rooftop Could be a you know could really enhance that experience and and really help in that in that regard so that's That's my biggest You know biggest concern. I understand the the paving response and some of the other kind of features around the site that have been Been removed as part of this plan development So I mean that's that's really my biggest biggest concern as well as what I think drew brought up about the kind of the end Gable section of the building looks awkward Yeah So, I mean I if I could just So this this area is gonna have a single story on the north and and the south and this this is where the deck will be for the memory Care and it's it's very it was very important to not have the Residence kind of accessible. It's it's it's easier for them to access being direct So that was something that we had to do and unfortunately being We couldn't we couldn't put a deck anywhere else on the exterior of the building So we had to do it internally, but the we have we have 3d modeled this building That's something that we definitely do On all these projects and in fact the design team myself and architects sat down the other just project managers and team members sat down and we we walked there sexually walked the entire building and We were making modifications into here in terms of what it feels like and here And we we definitely looked at it on a 3d level and we we got a feel for what it's like in terms of the amenities And there's going to be there's going to be planters. There's going to be walking paths There's going to be benches that all of that is definitely a consideration. We We're passionate. We're building something for these people to You know live in and have family members come and visit and And and we want to make it the best that we can so we we definitely have designed those planters and experiences into it so I Think you're Brett Eric questions. No questions. Thank you And I have the same questions and you've already answered them. So thank you very much Thank you for the presentation I at this time like to open it up for public comment on this item If any members of the public would like to speak on this item if you could approach the microphone and give us your name And I see no one approaching the microphone. So I will be closing public comment Okay, so back to the board Drew comments on the project. Well, actually I'm gonna move to approve final design review For modification to final design review the logic pine a road 1980 pine a road file number dr 19-044 Wave reading of the text Thank You Drew We'll make a second go ahead Ping-pong I'll second the motion So we've got a motion and a second on the table and we will open up for discussion so True Thanks So I actually think your revisions are Superior to the original project after kind of looking at them and more depth and I think I I may have uncovered Just my own thoughts about what drove some of the stuff. It looks like you had to put a big old firewall on this bad boy To separate some stuff Yeah, an egress to yeah, yeah, yeah, so I think you did with that kind of Burden some code requirement. I think actually the the new floor plan is Better than the previous floor plan. So thank you very much for your work. Thanks for your complete package Really my only comment is I think it's probably the same comment. I had before I think the pallets a little Bland in a way. I'd like a a little bit more color. Maybe Maybe in the stucco. I know this the stone is kind of the stone But maybe I don't know some more color. That'd be my only real comment Everything seems really nicely balanced and symmetrical and you've really thought about all four sides And I think a more complete way than the previous Elevations we saw so that's pretty much oh in the entryway I Kind of like that the larger entryway under the port co-share. It had some more windows and stuff I Think there's probably a structural thing going on there Which is why you maybe had to reduce some of that that would be my only comment is maybe if we could find a Way to open that up with a little bit more glazing That's about it. That doesn't my comment Thank You drew Henry comments This is this is my first go around with the project The board's seen it several times but I I Kind of echo a little bit of Drew's comment. I think a lot of times Forum follows function and I think the function of the interior floor plan Particularly the the gathering spaces in the in the front really work a lot better than the previous design and In some ways I prefer The exterior elevations from a and I think it's more the window sizing and I would I would encourage that the window sizes Not necessarily where I was starting to head with it with being true divided lights or or grids I Could go either way on that it doesn't really bother me but that's the smaller sizes and If they could be enlarged to at least be the same size as what you had previously proposed let more light More ventilation into the units And I'd like to see a little more introduction of color as well. I think the Looking at the The approved versus the proposed I prefer the approved from it's just a feels brighter even though it's just plain white It it feels more uplifting to me But I think if you if you added some color per drew suggestion to the to the color palette in the stucco I think it would give it back that uplifting feeling that I liked in your original approved But again pretty very nicely done project. I'm glad you spent some more time with it Looking at it from a building code standpoint I'm sure it changes all of our perspective sometimes and what our intent of design was and what reality is so Thanks for bringing it back better. Thanks Henry Adam Sure, I agree with my colleagues Definitely a superior floor plan Definitely, I think you'd really open up that entryway and you know the inclusion of the seating and the you know The piano area and there too. Just it's very inviting. I think to have that there And I really like that that diagonal slash kind of coming through. I think it really does open up and add a lot of Motion to the to the building And then continuing that through the dining area and going out into the courtyard. I do That being said I do it is unfortunate that the courier is being impacted that way that the exterior space for the residents and Not just that it's the you know the courtyard is the only exterior space But actually just creating giving them that that variety of experience I think it's it's really important to to keep that in in the the actual Mission which I know you guys are thinking about and I appreciate that you brought everyone here men's are really thinking about all these aspects the my question before about the the paving and some of the aspects were just to I don't want to see the that vibrancy sort of value engineered out I want to keep in a lot of those You know the you've got this site that's really maxed out and you've got the building there And it's really providing residences but to create the so it's not just a building but just almost like living Structure and everything you can do to maximize that Just like our my colleagues talked about the vibrancy of color That's one one way to to do that, too So I think really you know not to make it, you know, right, you know neon colors for the Florida palette or anything like that Just just bringing something in there that is creating is something. It's more not as drab and more fun and and lively and I think with the the landscape palette you're on your way there. I would Think about you know a little bit more about Plants that have Really interesting things going throughout the year as well, you know, there's a structure of the plants that The different flowering times on the textures, you know, it's it's good. It's an improvement from what you had before and then really think of that of Really putting some energy and thought into programming that courtyard space as well Like where I was talking about with, you know sensory things, too It's really important, you know having done these projects for you guys know about that in terms of therapy and really creating that so I'd say yeah, it's definitely improvement and it looks really great just as you're kind of Polishing and finishing really to bring those those human focused Aspects to it, too. You got the building like let's make it a really make it a home Thank you Thank you, Adam Brett no additional comments. Thank you Thanks, Brett Eric comments Just real quickly, I mean a great project Definitely something our community needs quickly I do agree with Board member wicks comments in regards to the windows. I do like the larger windows. I think aesthetically they're They're more pleasing having that larger size. I do like the grids. I think that looks better as well and Same thing with all the other board members regards to colors Maybe adding that an accent color may may be that middle ground if not a Different color palette all together something a little a little lighter, but other than that great project. Thank you Thanks Eric And my comments. Oh, did you want to answer something? Okay? Okay, great So my comments on the project are that I think they're Equal designs as far as being in superior nature and and I think they both kind of qualify as final designs I think they're just different. I think the The original proposed design obviously allowed more daylight. I think into the main facility Where the you know the more residential feel obviously takes away from that? So I think that that's kind of a little bit of a drawback with the new design But again, I think it's just a different design. It's more as you say residential in nature than the other one was more commercial In architectural elements with the storefront systems And I think that the other drawback was the reduction of the courtyard, but again, I see the benefits of the programming so As long as the operator is comfortable that they've offered enough outdoor space for the those living there to Have enjoyment then that's great. I did see an opportunity potentially. I haven't seen the topo So I don't know about the grading at the area But near the wetlands guessing the wetlands are a little depressed and Maybe if there's a flat space there there might be an opportunity for a couple of other resting benches Gets them out into the area away from the building again, and I don't know how many people Get out and about and you know how Mobile all the residents are so I'll kind of leave that open to the applicant as well But those are my comments and I really appreciate the package as well that both the narrative and Defining what was approved and what's proposed and it was really easy to follow along so greatly appreciate that nice work Thank you. Thank you. Um just It's it's great and I love this type of dialogue. So please please rest assured that I am I am listening and As you guys are speaking I'm thinking from the previous design I do want to comment on the size of the windows in terms of the There's some comments in regards to size the windows the p-tac units There's a little bit of a graphical thing going on because the p-tac units make the form a lot larger and actually the ownership decided to Many splits actually cost more than p-tac units. And so this is somewhere where they wanted to spend more money So the window form feels a little bit more squashed than Than it actually is in terms of the the mass at the bottom of the window There is more gridding. So we've actually had internal dialogues about Do we put grids in the windows? Do we not have grids in the windows? So we'll continue to have that and we definitely definitely heard about the window size and the colors we We've kind of laid out the palette. Would anyone like to take a look at the proposed colors? Maybe the rendering doesn't do it justice but the stone palette is is Is a very is a very warm Very it has a lot of nice grays and Bases in it. And then we pulled a lot of those neutral tones out of that for the For the elements and for the siding banding and then these what's not reading appropriately and and We do studies on exterior renderings as well. These don't show it as great clarity, but the the dark The trellises and the the Julia balconies Are intended to be that dark plum And so that will really pop it'll give some really nice contrast and then The the awnings and the shutters are the secondary purple and that that light purple So that'll that will really there will be contrast and tone tonality to the Building It is that's why we brought the samples for that reason so you guys could take a look And even under these types of lights is not the same as what it's going to be in reality But we've we did many study sessions as you guys know as designers you lay them out and you swap them out that kind of thing so Um On the paving we do have stamp concrete still at the portico chair So um, we felt that that was the arrival point that we wanted to kind of keep that really kind of clean and Grand so and and just to go back to the side plan. I am definitely hearing you on the courtyard and I in looking at the previous design there was um That we do have bio bio bio filter areas out here And we have planters and we have landscape screening, but previously they did have a fence ownership Wanted to move away from the fence, but I could see this as an opportunity to especially with the windows to Maybe get some seating areas out there and maybe activating that a little bit with some indoor outdoor activity because the door is there so With that we'll definitely keep those considerations In mind and keep refining those as we move through So and we'll continue those 3d studies on the interior because we do Whether it's whether it's um vegetable planters or whether it's Those types of things for these residents we we add those in to to create nice lifestyle Thank you for addressing this so we've got No, sorry I think I have a way to condition I was going to say we've got a motion in a second and we would need friendly amendments to make these Yeah, I was going to propose uh It's my motion so you can uh summarize and someone else can propose Summarize and see if the applicant was okay with it because one's a shall and one's a consider or two are considers I guess I should say I don't know, but you want to you want to do it fire away? Okay So I was thinking over here about the windows It's mostly my idea about the windows and I think I'm trying to give you the most flexibility um with the windows And so that would be the only shall I think and so the way we that I would think that we could condition that would be shall provide The same square footage glazing As previously approved I don't know that that's possible. It's might be hard. Yeah with the reduction from storefront But uh, we were looking at that most of like the the unit windows for instance They're the same width, but they're not the same height at least from what we can tell Um, so that's why we were thinking square footage might be the way to go you could add just uh Substantially shall provide substantially the same square footage or approximately the same square footage And then that gives them a little bit of flexibility in terms of because they did get rid of some of the storefront That was at the ground level which I think maybe providing Because I mean in all honesty you guys are it looks like you're going from storefront to flanged probably fiberglass windows, I would guess from a cost standpoint yeah, so So that's how this shall provide substantially same square footage Glazing as previous seminal does that sound good to you guys? For the new for the Or just overall total whole project Substantially same for the whole project. I think it's going to be difficult to achieve. Yeah, you think I guess I'd like to just go back real quick to the comparison elevations because there was a lot of Glazing at the front of the building so that was removed to get that residential feel Um, I've got an idea I think it's a shall and it's a consider so it shall provide substantially the same glazing at the Memory care and assisted living units and then consider increasing the glazing at the public spaces Does that give you guys enough flexibility? Okay. Yes. Thank you. So those two and then the third one Uh, consider More vibrant exterior color palette Leaves it up to you guys if you want to find a brighter white a brighter purple a brighter gray You know as you start looking at it, but I think if you put these colors on the building right now, it'd probably be okay I think Henry and I are probably just We like a little bit more vibrancy a little bit more contrast. Yeah, it's up, but ultimately it's up to you guys. Yeah, okay and uh But that gives you flexibility. You're you know We're telling you hey, we'd like to see a different color, but if it doesn't work out we understand And then the last one would probably be something about the Tree stuff Down there my colleagues my landscape architect friends that I don't really know how to summarize tree stuff Thank you guys. Thank you guys for saying a lot of stuff I'll just say like a pretty broad wall that I was glazing over about Would either Adam or Brett like to Characterize a friendly amendment as to the landscape comments I would say to consider maximizing seasonal variation and color but throughout the year and choosing the plant palette I guess that's a way to determine Absolutely. Yes, and my our landscape architect isn't here, but Let's repeat that one for slowly Tree stuff this has just worked Shall consider maximizing the seasonal variation and Interests maximizing seasonal interests when choosing the Color palette in concordance with the wheelo and wool calls requirements and standards We'll just use that one as a consider I think board member Sharon you said color palette, but you meant plant palette. Is that correct? variation in the plant palette The the plant palette will have the color in it so Um So Yes having the the color variation the seasonal color variation in the plant palette Perfect. Thank you amend it well. Yeah, but we got that. Thanks. Thanks, bell Susie did you uh pick all that up? You want you want me to do a read back? Sure would make light pressure Okay, the first one Shell provides substantially the same square footage of glazing In the memory care and assisted living units And then consider increasing the amount of glazing in the commercial Areas I would call it The public common areas common and public areas Common and public slash public. Okay, so let me reread that Consider increasing the amount of glazing in the common slash public areas Consider a more vibrant exterior palette And consider maximizing seasonal color variation slash interest in the plant palette Does that work for everybody here? Does that work for the applicant? Yes, thank you great So we've got a motion and a second and we need someone outside of that motion and a second to offer up a friendly amendment for said changes Okay You're up Henry say it's just Like to make a friendly amendment Like to make a friendly amendment With those changes as Susie write the items as Susie read into the record And does the motioner accept the friendly amendment? I do accept the friendly amendment and does the second accept? Yes Okay, and we're gonna try something new tonight even though our technology didn't work real well the first go around We're gonna try our voting buttons So we've never done this before we're very very official now So the voting buttons are to the right of your leg and the top one is yes The second one Which is in the middle is no and the last one is abstention so Press away as you're ready Looks like Brett's not showing up on the light, but an atom isn't either, but I They're both pressed on the It's a treat on that All right, looks like we're all in And all in favor so Motion passes Thank you again for your time and for the package. Thank you guys. Yeah, I appreciate it. Appreciate the dollar Okay, moving on to item number seven Board member reports did anything happen between yesterday at about six o'clock and today at around six o'clock Okay No, there was just one thing that I didn't mention but I will mention it just very quickly now So, uh, we had our joint meeting last night be on the lookout for another joint meeting coming up soon It'll be for the downtown station area specific plan update Um, and that's the only update that I have right now Great. Thank you bill And uh board member reports I skipped over that one. I did them out of sequence No board member reports, okay Thank you all for your time. We are adjourned