 I'm going to record this as well, Katie, so that if you need to re-listen to anything, you can do that. Thank you. I can hear Katie about as clear as anybody, but I can't hear anything else hardly, but that's all right. It doesn't matter. Is there anybody waiting? Oh my goodness. I can go on to the meeting, and you want to make me host and I'll go on to the meeting. And then you can just use this as a thumb terminal? Yeah, yeah. You make me co-host, doesn't matter. Is that the only mic? It's the best we can do, so yes. I would suggest it's good enough. I think we're all set. I think we're good enough. We're trying to get the video of everybody. Okay. We're trying to encourage the department to invest in a Zoom account. I'm just, you know, from a personal experience. I can hear Bruce. That's because the mic is near him. I don't even know how to do it. Okay. Well, let me sign on first. Okay. This computer hasn't been on the. Remind me the password. To. Yeah, but I'm sorry. I'll turn the camera back out. Oh, I see. That ring. Okay. I wonder what the weather is. 68 here right now. Oh, that's going to be really nice tomorrow. 82. You're in sunny. Call me. Very, very good. Bruce, you're in. 21. Excuse me. Yeah. More. Yeah, I think you can hear anything. I can hear you. I can hear you. Yeah. So we, so. Are you calling documents up on screen? I'm hosting the Zoom meeting. I don't need any help with documents. I don't need any help with documents. I don't want to task you people with unnecessary stuff. All right. Yeah, so we'll start on page four. Okay. Which all mine say page one. So. Oh, it's page two. I'm going to look at our reference to. So what's the document? It's the cash receipts. The year ended. 2021. So it's basically. Page four of the audit. Okay. Okay. 36. Plan. One, two. Three and four is on the print. We'll go ahead and start talking. I don't want to hold you up. Yeah, we are talking aren't you listening? I'm listening as best I can. I can't hear much, but that's all right. So everybody's good. Everybody's going to go back to that page. We'll go on to the. The next page. So you're going on a field trip. You want to sit down here? Nope. Just. Page five is the east ball pair. Balance sheet as of October 31st, 2021. The top line says assets. Current assets on it. We have that page. Everybody in the packet says it easy because it should be marked as five on your bottom corner. Yeah. Yeah. You got it. No, I was still looking, but keep talking. It's okay. Yeah. We're going back to the financial statements, but. Oh, here we go. Page five. Page five. They want. We got it. No. It's page one. It's called the balance sheet. He's one. Yeah, I've got that. I've got that on my hand. As of October 31st. Yeah. Okay. I've got it. Right. So you can see. Now contingency is maxed out at its 40,000. So we're not contributing anymore of the revenue. Yeah. At this point. Everything's going into capital. Yeah. 41. Is that 41? Yeah. Yeah. That's just how it landed. So we didn't make the adjustment backwards to. Yeah. But we're not contributing to that anymore. You're too low in assets. In terms of liabilities on the rescue bumper loan and ambulance loan there on long-term liabilities. Are the 88,000 and 87,000. Yeah. Yeah. Is that a question? Or did somebody say something? Sorry. I just said, I've got it. Okay. Just a question in terms of these are all separate accounts. So there's a separate account for donations separate. Is that correct? There's a separate account for capital donations and savings. The others are combined. They're tracked separately, but they're combined. Yeah. Quick books can track using quick books, right? Right. Quick books can track things separately, but it's all in the same account. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Equipment replacement capital or is that building? That's, that's everything we contribute towards the capital. So there's money that goes towards building. It's money that goes towards. We've used some towards truck repairs. You know, if we had a major engine blown. Our truck a couple of years ago that we placed out of there. We had, you know, then it's all truck replacements. Yeah. Does that, does that kind of figure in. You know, the depreciation on those trucks. They were putting enough into that. Well, they could have a capital plan. Yeah. Yeah. So what we're, so what we're putting in is all ambulance revenue. So when ambulance revenue comes in. It just. We, right. We deduct the expenses of paramedic billings. The paramedic intercept costs. And the different winner costs out of those loans. Right on the front side. And then the remaining balance of that. We think there's an expense deduction. And then we would split it typically. And then we would split it. 25, 75, 25% for contingency. 75% would go to capital. Now that we've reached on the contingency account, we've reached the 40,000 thresholds, 100% of that revenue. And that was going into the capital account. Okay. So answer that. Any other questions on the balance sheet. Nope. Okay. Okay. Okay. Page six is profit and loss versus actual on the ambulance. Yeah. That one stuff. Yep. The one error on here that you would see when you look at, if you're reading the percentage lines and you look at the dispatch. Being a. 6.1%. Yeah. That's actually not. It was one of the payments that was allocated. It should have been allocated against fire. But it's not actually over. Expenditures on that. The other expenses are tracking right along where they should be, you know, for a third of their way through the year. And that's. Zero percent. Don't use anything in training. Not yet. We have some people coming up to go to classes. Coming up to spending those monies out. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Do you just tell me the salary for Marshall? Is that broken up separately? Or I don't understand that. So it was earmarked when we took on the. Contract for Marshall. That that dollar amount was applied against salary. To increase the salary proportions. So. So that money that comes in goes towards. It goes right. It allows the salary line to have grown during that period of time. It's the same. It's the same field pays in against the contract and things. It disperses accordingly to that. Technically, Marshall does as well. It was just an allocated number. There are laws. To raise the. Financial support towards the salary line. We manage it within the budgets. And have for. Four or five years at this point. So up top where it says Marshfield budget payment, that's different than this salary, Marshfield. No, that's the same. It's the same amount of money. Right. That's the same figure. Right. Right, that's why I'm questioning it. They put it towards salary. They take it in and it goes towards salary. Instead of towards capital or towards other operations. Right. Yeah, but capital is a different revenue. Yeah, I'm just saying it doesn't go that way. Right, but wouldn't anyway. The money that comes that goes to capital comes in from ambulance calls. Ambulance revenue, not a contract. Thank you. Can you remind me what the ambulance tax is? So the state of Vermont, probably five years ago now, decided to create a tax platform to tax the revenues on ambulance services. In the concept that they would pay more for Medicaid payments, in which they do, so they're into a higher percentage of return than on the Medicaid payments they were doing. So they're giving with one hand and taking back with the other. Essentially, right, they're creating a cash revenue stream out of a platform that they can. Yeah. So some squads win, others don't. How's it worked out here? It's okay. I mean, we haven't really lost by it. You know, I think it's somewhat neutralized overall. There's some years I think we've come out a little bit. Okay. Yeah. And that's the concept behind us that it will kind of be balancing itself over the years, but you can't look at one year to the next because they may not be equally proportioned based on how the squad did overall. And it says percentage of budget zero. Is this supposed to be, we haven't paid that yet. No, Bill hasn't come and do it yet. Is the idea behind that analogous to Act 16 with the schools where it's supposed to even out revenues amongst different, no, this is a total separate. Yeah. And again, it depends on what your Medicaid calls are in a year and what your reimbursement levels are on that from the federal levels. It hasn't hurt us as far as we can see, but I think overall everybody's pretty quiet about it. Once people were a little uneasy when it first came on to the table because it was something new, but it seemed to have worked itself through and the payoffs on the other side, we've seen that payoff come back. Okay. The other highlight on this page would be your ambulance revenue. So the insurance revenue through the end of October. So July through October was 48,000, almost $49,000 so far coming in. So that's been pretty good. And that's for a third of the year. All right. Has the billing and payment slowed down at all because of COVID and shortages of staff and all of a sudden? No, the payment, that's, again, that goes through its own cycle, the issue of how they pay. Sometimes we get smaller amounts of payments and then we get big payments that may catch up to some of us in two, three months. But I mean, to be at $50,000 in three months is pretty decent. Is that typical? I'm just out of curiosity. Have you seen it? It's four months, actually. It's one-third of the year. We've actually seen an increase of call volume level for the last year and a half or so. Interesting. Yeah. So the revenue stream has reflected that over on the collections for last year versus in the collection for saying that you're reflecting the higher call volumes. And then the bottom line there is the COVID vaccination contracts. And again, we have staffing that's working vaccine clinics probably on an average of two to three days a week. We've got two to three to five people depending on the week that are working vaccine clinics. So how does that work? Do they get paid directly or do they pay you and then you pay the staff? So we were given a grant from the state about a year and a half ago now, maybe for $100,000. And then that was for us to expend strictly for COVID payroll for doing vaccine clinics as well as doing testing sites and things like that. And then there's an equatable dollar that comes out of there in terms of hourly figures that they pay at like $70 an hour is what they figure the resource goes out at. They pay mileage, they pay vehicle expense, it would go out if we're taking vehicles to these sites and things. And then we bill against that 100,000 as we expend it and then they reimburse us. And they're typically pretty good on the reimbursement schedule. It's not too far out, we're about 20,000 behind right now. And by day, is it? This day, Department of Health, yeah. And after all this is over with that money will dry up probably, right? It will, we're actually in the process of negotiating I think to have a second round of it come in again as there has been a dramatic increase of vaccine clinic demand right now, especially with the children coming on board and with all the booster shots they're running a clinic at the Berlin mall. It's running seven days a week, from typically eight o'clock in the morning until seven or eight at night most nights. They do a nice job up there that's what we do in our boosters. Yeah, so that's requiring a lot of staff and they're using EMS staff as well as nursing students to come in and cover those. We're getting regular requests probably three or four weeks to go to different clinics around where actually being asked to go a long ways right now we don't have people going but they're asking for like Springfield, Vermont, Proud of her all. Wow. And things, as well as the local schools in Berry City, Montpelier and everything we've got to people do those. So it says vaccine contract, 269. Is that how much is left out of the 100,000? That's how much is left. Yeah. I think that's what your total is for now. That's what your total is that we spent so far since the beginning of this fiscal year. Oh, okay. If you said there was a $100,000 grant that must be here somewhere, right? Just grant. The money shows up as they request it. The money doesn't come in like in a block or $100,000. It's paid at the bill for the money. Oh, I see. As you incur these funds. Okay. That makes sense. So like I said, we're in the rears of $20,000 right now. So once we see that, up to $43,000. Does that cost, you know, in this does, this evaporates away. Do we, because it's just going to disappear as well? Or does it, do we have sort of it that you are putting in budget? Yeah. So there's no cost expense to us. We're actually making a little bit of money off of this. We, so we're paying the vaccinators $50 an hour. And so we're taking $20 an hour and to cover the payroll expenses and anything other operationally. Then the mileage, we also get a call-out. So every call-out we get, we get $400 for the call-out operation. Either thing goes, do we have a person who's managing the call-outs and she'll do scheduling and things for the clinics that are under her? The other one, she doesn't do with Berlin because that's being run separately, but people can sign into that one. When you say $400 a call-out, is that a person or is that? No, that's a general, just a cost per call-out. I see. Yeah. And so those fees are going into cover any operational expenses that we have on this side of it. So once the program is done, it will be totally closed. There won't be any more expenses to it or problem. We're not building any infrastructure that we've had in this space. No, these platforms are really mobile platforms. They can pick them up, break them down in a couple of hours. Specifically, we have some totes and boxes. If we do our own clinics and think we just take those, set them up with basic supplies for doing the IP access and doing personal protection. Yeah. All right. Any other questions on that page? Nope. Looks good to me. So page seven. Seth, that's the profit and loss actual fire. Is that profit and loss by class? Yes. Yeah. So it's a profit and loss budget versus actual fire. Be entitled about July through October. Yep. So why does it show? Eastmont Pillar Contributions Halls Contribution. 50% Eastmont Pillar, 100% Calis. What's the? Eastmont Pillar, not pay their bill. No, I think it's a big bill differently than you guys do. So we've so far, we're taking in 67% of the budget overall for budget money contributions coming in. Yeah, there's a couple of things that jump out. Building, is it two? 90% of the budget money has been spent. And there's another one here. So let's do one at a time. So the building is, we had a large expense this year on preventative maintenance contracts for servicing the building up mechanical systems in terms of filters and changes to all that. Not really related to COVID. It was more related to just, it was trying to replace and do maintenance and things that some of the expensive, some of the filters we have are really expensive than the scrumbers and things like that. So, and there was some, with that in the service contract, there's also some repair pieces that come along with mechanical pieces that go onto it. We also had a well-pumped sale with a controller in there. So we had to change the well-pumped and the controller. So the firefighting supply? Yeah, the 300 supply. Yeah, so firefighting supplies, there's a number of things to factor into that. There's some equipment that was purchased for the UTV. There was a portable high pressure pump and things that was purchased for forestry, firefighting. So UTV, that's that new little thing you bought, right? So there's some equipment for that. And then there's some regular equipment and supplies for that we need just for typical repairs and updater. We had pieces break, we had some holes, we had to replace the things. So when these things, like with your scrumbers and things like that that we're pregnant now, we have like a capital, is there a threshold up around that then builds to a capital account where instead of coming out like an operational line item, is this how does that get built? Let's say, we have these major maintenance expenses. So we typically haven't reached into the capital into cover those. We're typically, we see how the year goes out operationally and then we draw some from the contingency account to fund balance if we needed to at the end of the year. But overall, we may be down on something else, you know? Yeah, yeah, got it. Yeah. So that's good. Some people have a threshold of about, say $5,000 because it's capital, but it's discretionary. Right, we haven't been at this point, we've been just balancing at the end of the year and see how it goes and what it looks like overall and where we need to. I'm sorry, could you just tell me what the acronym UTB stands for? Utility vehicle. Side by side. It's a toy. Fun toy. Oh, it's fun. It's a work toy. I know. It's a work tool, not a toy. So those are the two major ones that you see on there. We're going to do a look for the ambulance too, right? That's going to be a new gurney like. Oh, the one we approved. Yeah, so that's coming from capital. So that payment expense would come out of where you looked at your. And can we look at it? It would come right off the top in there, in the case of that. But it would come out of any. No, it will come out of capital account. So the, so where your account says, I don't think we paid that payment yet, but where your account on the, the first page we looked at said a hundred and it goes 140,000. That 30,000 would come out of there and drop that to 110,000. Did you buy that yet? So it's been ordered. It will be shipped and delivered to a company in Massachusetts that should arrive sometime beginning at the mid January down there. And then the truck will be shipped down there for a week for installation. That was like, what, 19,000 was that? I can't remember how much it was. So 30,000. It was just under 30,000 for the unit. And the unit was 23,000. And then there was a service contract, a five year service contract to make this on it. It covers a hundred pairs for the service tax to come here and work on it. Any other questions on the fire budget? Again, looking at the percentage wise, we're right in where we need to be on that. The one thing to mention, I guess on the fire side and things where the building up on the hill, we did work with the town to put in a new water line. We had a water line break between the town garage and the fire station. So we worked with Guthrie to get the new water line put in over the station. And remind me, that's the station that's being used by Eastmont, actually, right now. Well, no, half of it's on it. We're half of it's fire trucks and the other half of it is fire trucks. And that's when something moves three years. Yeah, it's been a while. Yeah, it's been a while. It's only been a few days, but it's been kind of seasonal. So they've been very expensive. All the expenses are incurred in the winter. If you have any of this, at least most of these seem like they're spread, apparently. Is there anything that worries you? No, I think we're tracking like we normally do. Some of the things we take heavy hits on early on in the year and then they slow down. Some famous schedules and things like that. Obviously the building one was a big one for the maintenance that we needed to do. And again, some of that was probably going to fall maybe into last year, but just because of the timing and availability for their company, they're not mechanical. That's a service system. There's other ones who install the system there that you know, just availability. I think it's more solid to this year. All right, any other questions on that? Nope. Page eight is profit and loss budget versus actual on the fire. I think that's the tail end of the bottom of years, page seven. Profit and loss versus actual on the fire. Yeah. Yeah, it's just a little short page. Yeah. You got it, Seth? Yep. Again, mostly what you see there is you see the capital expenditures towards equipment and the truck payments, showing it coming out of the capital account for capital activity of the minus of the 23,000. Any questions on that? Right. So if you go and remember back on the asset page of the front, we talked about the two truck loans for the rescue two and the anvil rescue three. So those payments automatically come out of the capital. So Eastmoor Fire Department holds the note on those trucks with North Country Federal Credit Union. And then we pay that payment. So that's the amount for that period of time. That's what we paid to, right? Let's go. Oh, you don't want to look at the capital? Well, I'm sure we can look at that now. Seth, you've got the capital plan. I do. Let's go take it out. Okay. So we've made a couple of revisions on this. One of the key ones is the yearly revenue amount. It's down, it's the third line up from the bottom shows 130,000. We actually made it on that line from what it was designating before. Because of the last couple of years, we seem to be averaging in the one shift year or so range for revenue. So we've moved that up a little bit from what it was set at, I believe it was 100,000 prior to this. So now it's 100. We have it as 130,000 because the revenue seems to be holding itself, the number of calls seem to be holding itself in the collection rate. It's holding strong. I'm not sure if you've explained this before, but the line right below the 130 EMF, the ambulance expense paid for 18,000. So we talked about that a minute ago with the expenses for the parametric billing, parametric intercepts and things. Those come out of the capital collections and they come out of the ambulance revenue prior to distribution. So that's a number that the 18,000, the number of the averages about what it is from year to year. And it's been consistent for probably 10 years at that level to those payments and expenses. So those are things that are outside the budget, even though they have somewhat of a budgetary expense to them. Part of it is, because again, when we're paying in bills, billing is based on calls to the bills. So that's what's reaching year to year. So it's kind of hard to create a budget number the same with the parametric intercepts. We may have higher years with it for parametric intercepts than others. And again, that budget's a little hard to track for this one. Karma is the fluctuations with it. Now the capital plan balance EMFD only going to 107.9 for FY23 and 77, 24. 24? So when you look at, so this will come into the discussion on the top line, which is the engine for replacement. We've talked about that for a couple of years now. And where you see the drop and the 2023 is if we were to take this on when it says EMFD only is if we were funding. So since the inception of the ambulance EMFD has paid for all the capital purchases in terms of trucks and things like that. And if we continue on that platform with that truck kicking in, if it was to kick in in 2023, that's where you would see that drop to the 107. And then the fluctuation down to the 77,000, excuse me in the 2024 is where the final year of the trucks drop off from rescue two and rescue three loans that are currently in place. And then it jumps back up from there. Keep the rescue for you show, that's got a five year, you're showing zero. When was that one of that workplace microstructure? It was showing it's reflecting in 2026 at the 50,000 a year. Oh, it's 50. I'm sorry. I thought there was a dollar sign. I thought it was a bargain. Sorry. I'm sorry guys. We can purchase an ambulance in 2026 for zero. What are we doing? Yeah, yeah. It's showing minus, was that a minus three? Rescuit, minus three. Which one are you looking at? Rescue tools. Rescue tools, minus three. So that being that, right, we haven't replaced them because we haven't needed to. We did replace, what do we replace the cutter? We replace the cutter out of sequence. And that's what you mean by tools? Yeah. Yeah. No, they're big heavy hydraulic tools for cutting vehicles apart and things. So we replaced the cutter out of sequence for everything else is still, you know, operational driving. When we did purchase rescue two, that one has a electric hydroelectric pump that was built into that as well. So that gave us a secondary system that was already on the truck. Do you, I mean, if you're anticipating that, you carry those hours on this. Right. Forward, maybe a good idea or something like that. To put some numbers forward. As you know, it's coming at some point. So when it fails, I'm guessing it fails. Right, instead of that. And that's replacement time. That is true. There is down, if you look at the bottom, just two more for down from there, then you have the equipment capital. So there is some monies into that that we could use from on the hundred thousand lines that's 10 grand a year. There would be earmarked into, you know, but maybe we could use part of that to replace our tool and things. Maybe it would, maybe a good idea on that, even just to put that money in and reallocate it to that capital funds. It's really a part of it. I think they changed it well. Really, that's not just thought. And some of the trends going forward, since they've been over a hundred, four, five years now, they've really come online. It's the tools that go into a battery system to get away from the hydraulic pumps. Our hydraulic pump, our primary one, is probably 12, 14 years old, something like that. You know, they don't get high usage, but when they work, they work pretty hard. They run the 10,000 PSI workload. Where do you, with firefighting supplies, be under the equipment for a certain capital or something like that? In the budget line, that's totally different in the budget line. Yeah, more major piece of equipment, like a generator that might come up or a portable pump that might come up or things. So the supplies or equipment that went with it to a part of the capital. They very well, maybe we may sit and look at that later in the year and readjust that and take quantities to pay for that pump and things out of there because it is a capital type of item. So that item would drop. Right now, we haven't adjusted in those first four months here, but that's a possibility. And you're planning on replacing, looking at replacing Engine 4 in 2022. So Engine 4 under NFPA standards, they replaced them typically out of 25-year marker. That one's a 2000, no, 1994 currently. So even if, so if we were to order a truck in 2023, we most likely won't see it until sometime early 2024, right? So that's something we'll talk about a little bit in terms of what is that like and how do we do that going forwards and things. So you're looking to replace that access with here? That's the goal would be the plan to replace it. Yeah, and we've carried it over now for extra, it's got extra life into it now. And it's still, some of the things we know, it's like we've got some broken frame mounts onto there that you can get to without actually removing the whole body off the back of it. But we know we fixed the repair and all the ones that we've had it inspected annually over the last years to make sure that it's safe to operate and run. One of the biggest things you see in the span of that age of trucks is the safety features on the truck operationally and how they manage the stability of them and things like that, the different sensors that are in the new trucks. So in terms of the truck operating, it still pumps the drives, it does everything it needs to do on that. It's just, it's at it's lifespan where you start to rotate that through and then the engine two from down here would become a secondary truck response, backup truck, reserve truck, whatever technology or terminology you want to use for that. Is there more gaps and lessons with these trucks now, I mean, 25 years along today's technology world, running over that. Yeah, you can see a lot of it. So if you were to take that truck and park it next to rescue two, which is our newest truck, the safety features and things in there, just like for instance, seatbelt sensors, right? I can tell from that truck on the cab mounted or dashboard controller who's in what seat and if they're buckling it off, you know, and the limes go off that, you know, you don't move it out of buckled in situation things. So things like that, you know, the anti-roll mechanisms that they're building into trucks now are a significant difference when they were back then. And you're looking to purchase a new utility one? So that would not happen in 2023. You know, that would again be kicked down and rolling a little bit. What you try to do with the capital plans is look at the forecast lifespan of the equipment and then replace them accordingly, you know, and again, it's kind of a moving target, if you will, that, you know, we might look at this here and say, okay, we need to do that. Like that truck, we need to put some paint into that truck because we can start to see it bubbling underneath. I think I've got a leak in the exhaust and the head gasket up there, you know, so it doesn't work to put into that truck to keep it going forward. But our plan is to, you know, carry that forward for now, for, you know, get some more life on it. I think that again, it doesn't run every day, you know, when it's, that's the thing with fire apparatus is overall is it doesn't run a lot of miles, which is not necessarily the greatest thing for them. But when they work, they work hard, you know, they're very heavy trucks. And so that they're, when they're going over the roads, it's very straining, kind of strenuous on the frame structures and things like that. What is the utility, I mean, what's the utility? So the utility is the pickup truck that sits in front. Oh, I know. So that carries, we do carry some brush fire equipment on there with small pumps. We do carry colons and things on there and emergency signs for car accidents and things like that. So that would come out. It's also people transporter, that, you know, if you have to go mutilate somewhere, we may take a truck and that with additional resources to go. That's the point. Right. And now with the trailer, we're filming the trailer a little bit. And the SCP A-line, is that for all of the tanks for the development? So you guide them as a group and then the lifespan for them. So there's a different lifespan to the composite fiberglass tanks versus what the pack frames are. So we have to replace the bottle before we have to actually replace the frames. When we did the last purchase, why don't we call the exact year? It's probably been 10 years at this point, maybe a little bit longer. We had to replace everything because we had some very old pack frames and the regulators and controls and things for them as well as our SCBA bottles were outdated. And actually, we still at that point had some that were still steel. So everything now is a 4,500 PSI composite bottle system. Did they do any kind of like, obviously with the hydra test, I mean, or so we do have to hydro test the bottles. And keep those up to spec and standards under those. And they flow test the regulators on the packs themselves and things. So that gets done on a regular basis. Yeah, so that's like maintenance or do you do that? No, no, they have to go out and be done. And then the same thing with people in fit testing for the masks, we have to go through a series of fit tests on a regular basis for people. And again, same thing with those, when you talk about like trucks and technologies and things, the technology that's in the new air packs versus where ours are is dramatically different or what the capabilities are and things now. And when ours, because we had to do such a large purchase, at that point, we kind of bought the tail end of the model versus buy into the new one that was on the market because it was significant savings and allows us to replace everything all of our models. Do you use procedurally a problem where replacements are gonna have to become more and more frequent because of the technology along the way that you think this is, that's guesswork I guess. Well, it turns out how much money you have. Right. If you don't have the money, you're not gonna do it anyway. Right. I think there's some things that the technologies, there's maybe small tweaks to it, but it's not as dramatic as certain other features. A lot of the things like you would see between the air packs we have now and the air packs that are currently on the market have a lot to do with firefighter safety. And the warning sensors and things that are on them, the lights that are on them and different blinking patterns and things like that, that's probably the most dramatic pieces you're seeing. Otherwise, yeah, pack frames are really similar. They may change and make adjustments to, the lumbar supports or things like that a little bit to make a little more comfortable on everything, but the most part is just, it's more the life safety piece that comes into play. In the past devices where somebody was to stop moving or something that had built into those and things. Any other questions on the capitol? There was the next page for, you guys, they actually don't have numbers, you know? So that's where my page is, then. That's where my page is. That's where my page is, yeah, that's where my page is. Is there supposed to be more? Nope, I think these were just, these were just some of the details that we talked about actually looking at them for the contract paid for the vaccine clinics that we just talked about though, so. See your papers outside. So, I think we're on to the, nope, the fiscal 23 budget to be page two. Amiel, Seth, do you have that one? Amiel? Yeah, I do. Okay. Amiel, it's budget 23. Yes, so the first two columns are your FY 21 actuals versus your budget. Yeah. And then the FY 22, which I current budget against what I proposed budget for FY 23. Yeah. So there's no increase for Plainfield and Marshfield in FY? Their contracts are coming up for renewal, so they will go up to the typical 3% that they've been going up. There are increases in FY 25. So the one, probably the biggest note is there is the 5,500 salary at the 37.5. There was a page that should have been. That this, I think I was just reading. Moving on to the front of, what about this? Yes. It's a minute. There was a page one. That was marked on page one. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. So that walks through. This is about the salary we talked about. Right, yeah. So we did the increases of the 37.5 for the two years. And then this year was actually proposed at 75,000. It's out to very top paragraph. Yeah. Third to the last. You may not have this. It's a different page in the annual budget one. It is. This is one that just basically was a summary of the actions by the select boards to increase the salary budget. So from the last three years, it was 75 and then the proposed third year, which would be this year would be 75,000. Yeah. What we've asked for to do is saying, let's split that down and do 37.5 this year. And then 37.5 next year instead of taking such a big hit against the towns on the two. Right. Okay. I don't have the page, but I definitely understand the concept. So. I'm good. I mean, I'm like a steel trap. Well, I guess we can't be unhappy about that. I mean, at least that spreads it out a little bit for us. And make it easier on the town. Well, yeah. That's why we did it that way. Yeah. They're taking the phone at once. As long as you're covering your salaries and you're not going behind. Right. No, I think that. That in most everything, there's a lot of things that stay fairly flat. There's a couple of increases, you know, insurance. Obviously. I was insurance going down. No, it goes up 2000. Interesting. Cause when we're looking at our Calis town budget. I mean, I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. Some went down because of COVID, like workers comp exposure went down because people are going out. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. I thought they did. No, I mean, that's what we like. Sorry. We're talking about the cross blue shield. Our health insurance. Yeah. It might be just your occurrence. You're talking about your own town and your own folks. Yeah. It's not going down a lot, but it's a little bit, which is interesting to me that it. There it is. Yeah. Right. Oh. We haven't been offered at this kind of. A little bit higher risk. More than a library. A regular market. And dispatch is staying the same. So dispatch does take some increase the fire side stays pretty close. But if you look to. The M, I mean, sorry. The fire side is going to take the impact of the. In-field. And there are the two four or five. Yeah. We just entered a new contracts where. Or it's in the process of being completed. That's a two and a half percent increase a year. I think it's what it is. And that's capital. Yes. Yes. I see the transfer from contingency to operating. But 15,000. Yes. So. So we also, so over the course of time, we have contributed money some towards the budget from the capital expenditure money. And so we decided that we would put in 15,000. 15,000 from the capital towards the budget began to help keep the numbers. You know, in line as much as possible without dramatic increases and things. And so that's allowed us to keep the fire budget at the. With about a $5,000 increase. And then the ambulance goes off. Obviously the biggest jump is because of the salary piece. Okay. So. The ambulance budget is going up. $46,000. And the fire is up 2.95%. It doesn't get the dollar amount. Right. But if you look at the two lines beside each other, about $5,000. Yeah. And so the ambulance budgets really is only going up about 9,000 without the salary increase. You know, overall in the lines of the viewers staying pretty flat. How are you doing? You know, it's a. It's a fluctuating full. So we've got some new candidates. We just hired a new. AMT. He'll be starting with us. And we've got a paramedic application on my desk that I've got to call back. No. Any questions on. The proposal for the ambulance. We've kind of been talking about both anything on the fire budget. On the ambulance. COVID expense on budgeted. That is. Right. That's the, that's the, again, the revenues that came in. So we took in a number of different revenues. One is the contract for doing. Vaccine clinics. We also took in $17,000. Towards. First responders that they received. They received. I'll call it a bonus. They received a reimbursement. For working through the COVID. Yeah. So that was a percentage based based on hours work. That's what this has. And that falls into those categories of what that is. And we also received a little bit off that money on the. The ambulance that's state to the. I don't know how they did the percentages, but they basically told us what it was going to be. And so we've received some of these towards that as well for the. They calculated a number per call. That they estimated that we may have lost. So. So most everybody is vaccinated. We are not mandating it yet at this point. We're not mandating it yet at this point. We're not mandating it yet at this point. We're not mandating it yet at this point. If Biden, if he gets. His way with some of the regulations around the table, it will become necessary. Because we take Medicaid and Medicare money. And right now we haven't hit that threshold. Most of the target place has been over a hundred employees. So. It's most likely to be coming down the line. Especially if things keep going the way they're going, but. When they do, when they do, when they do, when they do, when they do, when they do. I think that's a good point. I think it's a good point. Because. You know, you know, you're not mandating it yet at this point. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the health. Vulnerable people. So we, most everybody we only have one. I think at this point it's not vaccinated. But everybody's wearing precautions and safety equipment. We don't know if we all have. You know, And then you back. You know, right so there's so there's no there's no mandate that it has to we haven't instituted that yet if there's an exposure we we have standards in place it would you know take on that it was an exposure but the exposure at risk I guess I'm just curious why you're not requiring the largest part of this it's a hard position to take there's no there's evidence it would say you should but there's no regulatory piece it says you have to and so that becomes the same thing you're seeing fought out in the business world all over the place as as employees employers right look at the National Guard and you know they're being told that these guys have to quit their jobs after so many years of service and yet then you've got states that are then going out and fighting not the same look you can't do this you can't force these guys to have to you know go become vaccinated so we don't have you don't have the legal bounds to do it other than if we just fire somebody you know that that's that's your recourse and I'm just we just and I'm just we're providing a large portion of your funding and I'm just you know we haven't made a recommendation to the fire department but if you're looking for regulation or authority to close the back if your funding sources are asking a recommendation requiring that employees there are vulnerable populations to be vaccinated and we have a I think I mean they really played as well yeah I think that'd be fairly far reaching them the town side to be honest I guess what I'm hearing you say is one of the reasons why you're not selecting to do that is because there's no requirements for no mandate well there's not but that wouldn't come from the town these are either fire department employees at least there's no but there's no there's no federal mandate that's saying your all businesses have to have all employees mandated or vaccinated I mean you telling me that everybody who works for the town is actually what we're saying is that people who work with town they if they're not vaccinated they have to go and test it I think what I heard everybody that's all of your list everybody who works there not not not necessarily the elected people we're not in control with them I mean we're elected but they're working in the same environment yeah but we don't have any control over people they're the same as we are we can't hire elected people but I think what I heard you say was that the funding to run the fire department in the ambulance coming from money from the town so yeah and I thought you had said one of the reasons why a lot of people are getting answers because they don't care so resource for a member of the select board of the town to be some clear I have an interest in protecting the safety of our community and we exercise the power that we have to do as much as we can to protect the safety of our community members. We also have the power of the curse in the sense that we're contributing to the average budget that this month will require to work. I assumed that the ambulance personnel because they're in health care would have been vaccinated but you threw that up. Now I'm in light of the situation I'm wondering if we can encourage you to farm or no. We'll take it under advisement I mean you can go to the hospital and everybody's not vaccinated there but they have a mandate that is going to represent my understanding is there is a mandate. It's actually it was thrown out and a lot of it's been retracted back. Well I think we could argue this back and forth for hours but we're having we're having good discussion on this. Like I said I think it's fairly far reaching by the town to say that that's where we're at. Well with the town with our own with our own employees people we can fire we've asked that they if they're not vaccinated then they have to go for testing. I think that would be as a minimum you guys should do that. If you're looking at being safety and health conscious and you're kind of the you're kind of the flame of you know of safety and health consciousness and in all these towns you would think that you would at least have a request that people get tested. Some people are very at risk. I mean I don't think that goes that's really going overboard to ask that somebody to test us if they have it or not on a weekly basis. If they're not vaccinated these are good chance you're going to have it sooner or later here. So I asked on East Montpelier Front Forge Forum last week for just suggestions on what we in the select board should do at our Monday meeting when we're considering a mass mandate and the feedback that we got from townspeople was six to one in favor of the mass mandate that we ended up passing. So I wonder if we went to Front Forge Forum and said hey the fire department and the ambulance service come to your homes and interact with all the people and not all of them are vaccinated. Do you think there should be a vaccination mandate for the fire department and ambulance service? I wonder what the feedback would be. I'm guessing it'd be strongly in favor of it. I mean if somebody's got a health not to be vaccinated that's different. But then they have to get tested. And I don't think it's too hard. I mean it's too much of a overreach to ask somebody to get tested. And I can see and I can see why you wouldn't want to fire some moves. You can't hardly hire anyone. I can understand that as an employer you wouldn't want to do that. But the testing piece I mean you can buy the kids and do it right here. Anyway. So what's the town's position right now? We have a vaccination and mass policy where we recommend that people be vaccinated. If you are not vaccinated, you need to have to be tested. And I think we don't have very many people who aren't vaccinated either. Not the same as you. Or another way to put it is that we have a testing mandate that you can opt out of if you get vaccinated. Yeah, yeah, the glass is half full. Right. So can we ask you not to go in front of the forum until we discuss this? No, I don't think that's a platform. Thank you. It's just that it just would be nice to discuss this and let us know. Yeah, when will you discuss it? Well, our next. We're halfway through the month now. Yeah. Halfway there. Yeah, thanks. So haven't we kind of diverted the subject here? I thought we were doing budget. Yeah, we were, but we got we got sidetracked. Is there any way we can continue on the budget? Yes, I would I would like to something related to the budget. I don't see any place on the agenda to bring it up, but we did get the audited financials. That's related to the budget. I just like to ask a quick question about that. There was concern in the audit about some other organization using East Montpelier Fire Department's employer identification number. And they've done this for a while. Who are these guys? I would think that would relate to the Boy Scouts. And they do not use it anymore. They're not going to use this anymore. So as a Boy Scout or Cub Scout organization, they have to have a charter sponsor. So we charter sponsors, the Boy Scouts and the Cub Scouts. They were here in town and know they're actually they can't operate without it and part of the tax level. So actually all of their assets become ours. So they don't have control over, even though it's their money into their per se, it's it's all under our control of our assets. So the risk factors are really low to that. OK, so that's an outdated comment because the organizations aren't even in the distance anymore. You don't have a Cub Scout or a Boy Scout down anymore. Right. OK. Thank you. They would have caught the tail end probably the Cub Scouts. So are we on call on review? Yeah, actually, I apologize. The packets are put together. We actually don't have that page on there. I can tell you the calendar year for twenty twenty one, we're at six hundred and seventy six hundred and seventy five calls for far calendar year twenty twenty one for twenty twenty one. Here's the calendar year twenty one. Wow. We typically show you guys I don't have that breakdown in there that she didn't make the packet. That last year we ended around seven hundred for the year. So we're on track. We'll surpass that this year. I think we'll be a little over seven hundred. Yeah, I think some had questions about the budget. That's part of it. Well, that's part of that. We usually review the log as part of the budget. But I thought he had specific questions about it. They have a. He didn't want to talk about vaccines anymore when it wasn't really on the agenda. And we needed to finish up the budget. Well, I think is there any other questions? Is there any other questions on the budget? I think we've gotten through the proposals on those. Do you have any other questions? No, I have no questions on the budget. OK, anybody else? No. All right. So we're good with the budget. We can close off on that. I think it was really well done. Yes, thank you. I think in terms of the agenda, we've talked about we just talked with the college, we talked about the loans in the contract. We talked about the power load system for strikers. We talked about COVID updates. Are we on number nine? Number nine would be the last discussion piece. We haven't got to soaking out and we want to discuss before that. So set number nine on the on the my agenda is the discussion on the replacement of engine four. OK. Yeah. Yeah, I thought that's yep. So I want to I want to start right on the top with I put in four. So on the last year is four pieces. A is proposed, but in the fact that the timeline, see the estimated current cost and the conceptual purchase options. So on the proposed manufacturer, we've looked at a number of vendors, but one of the ones we really want to use is point. Point, T, O, Y, and E. They're an American made truck in the Midwest, as many are. They they provide a quality, custom build product at the end of the day. For full disclosure, Toby is a representative for that company. However, Toby is totally exempt from this process. He has no part in this truck committee or planning. It's actually been his boss from out in New York state that's been driving here to meet with us. Toby is not getting his typical percentage that he would get on the sale of a fire truck that is all been erased out of this proposal. It thinks that he has disqualified himself as being a representative for this truck. So we wanted to put that under the table for disclosure on the front side. That is any questions without any concerns. I think in terms of the proposed manufacturer and why we're choosing the one and not necessarily wanted to put it out to the open market for bid, I think the town that kind of adapted some of the similar positions when you guys buy trucks and things like that, you guys kind of narrowed down to certain types of trucks you like by the town and, you know, what works well for you and how you feel the maintenance and things as overall. And so we're kind of in that same position on this. Sometimes it costs you a little bit more. Sometimes it costs you a little class. Have you used them before? We have not used these guys before. We've seen a number of the trucks. There is I don't know how many total in Vermont, but there's multiple trucks in Vermont from this manufacturer. The things and they're building a well built. The last truck that you built was engine two. And that was built by VTAC in Williamstown, which they're no longer a business, the person who owned that to be tired and then when he did, the business actually closed. So, but that was a small shop, you know, building however many trucks a year, they do a lot of repairs and things like that. But so any questions on the manufacturer or things like that? No. So the proposed timeline, you know, we would like to see it go out for purchase in 2023. And FY23, yes, four calendar either way, they're going to do the same thing at this point. That wouldn't happen until after the first of the year. We have an estimated current cost in the range of the four hundred twenty five thousand, obviously, as you guys know, I think the channel and some of you guys are looking at trucks and you know that the markets are fluctuating with cost of goods and things and availability. This isn't something you go by off the lot, the things, you know, some material cost fluctuations are a driving factor that nobody can predict at this point. You know, some things are going up, some things are going down. So depending on what it is, you know, right now, steel costs and things are on the rise a little bit. The only certainty is we know what the chassis, the chassis would be a freight liner and it would be a commercial cab instead of a custom cab. The difference being with that, the difference is like a regular truck cab. Is it what they call a commercial? The custom cabs are typically the cab over multi-crew trucks. This would be a commercial. This would be a commercial. John, where are you going to ask about it? So there's not or what do they call that? Yeah, a demo model. Yeah, so some of the issues with the demo models is a lot of the demo models are built for city-type trucks because then they can move them quicker, which means they have more pretty cookie cutter features to them. They may not have a big enough motor for what you put in for a truck here versus a city truck. They have less water on them than we would have. They may not have a foam system. So all of those things can be retrofitted into the truck, but you will pay more to retrofit them after the truck if they're built because they actually have to take things apart to do that work. Now, like this freight liner thing you're talking about, are the fire trucks on the four-wheel drive, four-wheel drive, or just stand regular? They're typical just rear-wheel drive. I mean, you can do four-wheel drive models and things. That sets the trucks up significantly higher, typically. And it costs, you know, it's an again, an added cost to go to a four-wheel drive model and things. So we typically run change. We go as far as we can and log hoes the rest of the way. So those are some of the things you give up by trying to buy a demo. And honestly, there's not demos that are on the market. We've looked at some of them to see. I think the towing has one demo. That thing has not even been close to what we would look for for a truck. Yeah, I just want to make sure we're just covering everything. Yeah, yeah. No, yeah, we've looked at all those. Again, even in the used market, the used markets are empty these days. So there's not, but, you know, when we purchased Rasky, too, and sometimes used when I was in New York State, we lucked out for that, no teachers that had some things. Again, a lot of things go into it. You know, how your departments are configured, what your home system is, how do your hose bets work? You know, what do you carry for equipment? You know, some, some departments carry a lot less. The hose, we have to carry quite a bit because of the road. We do, yeah, so that, you know, that all factors into it. If you don't have big enough hose that you can't get it in, you know, if you, if you have a hydrant system, obviously you don't need all the suction noises that we carry. So different things like that are features that are part of it. You know, when you buy those stock drops and water and water. Carry more water. Yeah, typical. Yeah, because you have to go out into such a rural area all the time. Right, we're carrying almost 500 gallons more water than how the trucks come through. How many tons are available in a fire pump for a day? He's not familiar with it, he's not familiar with it. Tons on the time of year. Right, and when they're frozen, it's not too good. We wouldn't dry it up, they're not too good either. Right, right. So when you look at a frozen pond, they figure that you lose. And though I'm a winner, you lose three feet of water level based on the water levels changing and also the ice thickness that goes through. That's where we do the dry hydrants that you see out and around the different pond locations that are accessible from, they have to be typically accessible from roadside. So we do have some on private property where they've allowed us to go to a pond to access. How many do we have between cows? We need to find 15. I know, I think there are. 15, 18. I know, I know where several are. Right. How many? What's the furthest you find yourself from a dry hydrant? Five miles, six miles. Really? So if you take that on an icy winter road in the truck sloshing water as they go down the road. Yeah, it becomes very icy very quickly. Yeah. Yeah, we just got the one we put in the codling road a year and a half ago or so down into the river there and things, but we don't have, otherwise that's the only one right down in the immediate village area here. You know, the next closest one, there is the one that's that Gene Trius pond, which we would use. It's silted all in and things at this point. And then the Templeton one's always been a decent one for us. So when you look at from here to Templeton road, if you're hauling water backwards or Northmouth Bay, there's the one in Northmouth Bay. That's a long haul. Not only hauled it up the hill, but you know, you're hauling three miles. In a school pond. Can you tap into that for not school? We can. Yeah. We can. There's 90,000 gallons in that pond. It's there that we can take off the hydrant. Again, that's not a pressurized hydrant system. It's a, you know, static hydrant from the pond levels and pressure, but we can draft it in. Right. So are you looking at a total cost of this? Yeah. That's what we have. That's what we have. And the timeline is. So the, so we can. Let's just say we signed the contract tonight. And that truck would actually be delivered. It'll say delivered in a year. The, the amount for the truck cost actually wouldn't be due until the truck is delivered. Right. There is some incentives along the way. If you decided, okay. One of the payments was if you paid 110,000 for the chassis upon delivery of the chassis to them, you would save, I think it was 27 or $2,800. Yeah. Yeah. So whether it's worth doing that or just hold it all till the end and you pay. And one time again, those are some of the discussions that they can, how it gets paid for. What is that? It's the air handlers. Too much hot air in here. Yeah. Oh yeah, right. It isn't me. It's the people in the room. Come on, folks. Thanks. Okay. Yeah, so I guess that's some of the discussion we have, you know, it's how would we pay for that truck of things? You know, I think on this one, we're not necessarily a position looking at the long term of the capital to say we would take on a hundred percent of it and, you know, purchase the whole thing and fully pay for it. We're, our discussion has kind of been the proposal that we would ask the two towns to split the cost of 200,000 of it. We would pay everything additional above and beyond that. So you would be asking the town, the two towns to do our split of 200,000. Mm hmm. Two thirds. Yeah. And I guess then the question is, you know, how, how does that get paid for? You know, again, those are have to be discussions. Is it, you know, bonded out? Is it, you know, just. I think in the past, there's been loans that have split. And the two was the last one that had a split on it. Call us out of a loan it took out in the East. My parents took out a loan on that truck. I don't know who was the primary on there. Yeah. We take out a loan longer than I think it's a year. We have to get our approval. That right, Bruce? It's a little program to use. You can get a five year note. Equipment notes are going to be up to five years. So if you're buying something that wasn't equipment. It was capital, you'd have to have a little. There's something about a year. Equipment's different than, right. A normal loan. And it's probably can't normally take a loan for more than a year without voter approval. Right. Is this considered. Yeah. Is that true? I thought we, we spend money on our capital plan. Well, that's different. Yeah. You have money already allocating your capital plan. That's, that's what's like words do. But if you ask. Take a bond, you have to vote. Right. Okay, but. You're right, Seth. Right. Need to say it. Okay. I could comment on that, but I'm going to bite my tongue. So. Good enough. I don't, I don't think that. I think that's the right thing to do. I think that we should be aligned for the fire department to ask for contribution for this truck. It's a big truck. If they're willing to pay a good share of it. And then the call us in East my players split the remainder. That's you're not talking a huge amount of money. I don't think that would be necessary to bond for that. Yeah, well, it depends. I mean, we have to. the two boards should talk about that in a separate meeting. Don't you think that's more appropriate? Consumably it's not failure to take it out of our capital reserve fund and call us to bond for it, for example, right? Yeah. There's no other money, right? But they can bond for without the town's permission. If it's under a hundred thousands, is that what I'm getting out of this? No. If they bond for 60 or 80 or a hundred thousand dollars they have to put us to a town vote. I think if they bond, they're going to have to tip what it does down low. My understanding is anything, a loan taken out for anything over a year has to be voted on by this. So again, that's not true. Not totally true. Different categories. Right, and that's what you're saying and I don't know what the different categories are. If you were buying a truck, you could take a five-year note on it without going to the town, to the voters. If you were buying a, and this is what Judith and I were just commenting on, if you're buying a truck for a nonprofit, that's a whole different ball game. You probably don't have the authority to even do a one-year note on it without getting voted or approved if you transfer to a nonprofit. It's not our truck, it's their truck. Right. It's probably their truck in full because of what we've done for it ever. Right. Yeah, I'm just trying to, in my mind, I'm just trying to think process. How we do this. How we do this. You know, if you guys don't have the cash, you have to go buy one. Yeah, but even if you have the cash, it sounds like you're going to have to put, if you're giving the truck to a nonprofit, you've got to have a town vote on. Is that correct? Either way, it has to go on in the morning. I would think so. Even if you have the cash. If Tom started a permanent town truck and you had the cash, you probably wouldn't have to do it. Go to a town vote. You folks, anyway. Right? That's the problem. That's the problem. We don't know. That's the problem. I mean, weirdly, it still is our asset, but it's our assets. And not even in your name so much as you, you technically do what you need to do with it, not our say. We technically own the asset for operation. We have the residual rights for all that. Right. But again, if you guys remember what I put on the warning, I didn't care how you got that money. It had to go before the voters to vote on it. Yeah. So we just have to come up with an amount if we're willing to do that. Yeah, it sounds like they're asking us to do 200,000, two thirds and one thirds. Is that correct? Right. Well, it sounds like they're regarding that as fairly fair. And I think it is, too. They're just looking to soften the blow to us and make a big contribution on that purchase. So, I mean, they would be happy with it. And I think it's fair. It could be split even more. They could, they could ask for more money and contribute less. So, you know. No, I'm just, I'm just through what we would. So can I ask you a question, Ty? Yes. Capital plan? And you're presuming that 200,000, what we were seeing is actually something like a five-year note? No, we have no. So we actually didn't present, no, it's actually written, just as it says on the bottom, that if EMFD was fully funding all of it. Okay. So that would actually be about the value of the notes. Right, you were the five-year note on it. So it would have, right, if you have. On a whole truck. It fits. Right. I mean, are you talking about this? Capital plan? That's capital plan. Capital plan. I thought that was only 42.5 a year, just going by memory. That doesn't add up. That would take 10 years. That would take 10 years. They put a deposit down on it. We're putting 200 in the game. Right. Okay. That makes sense. Capital plan for the 10 years. Yeah, that adds up. So we put two. Costs for $425,000. So we put 200 down and they pay 42.5 for five years. You're right, that's a good deal. 22.5. Yeah, five years. Right. Yeah, do the math. That works out. I think you'd probably see if it was 10 years right here, that would carry over onto a 10 year 40, if we were paying the whole thing. It'd be 10 years. Right, if we were paying the whole thing, but it equated in half and it worked out to be pretty much the same number of out. Right. That's right. Right. So, Bruce, can you explain again, so I can get, so I can be clear on it. What you were saying about putting this on the balance, is that for both towns or is that just? Well, Calis does what Calis does. Right. But you're saying that this would have to go. The methodology we would use to pay for it. We would need to get authority from the voters to essentially transfer this money to you. So even if we took it out of our capital reserve, we'd have to ask permission. Okay, that's right. That condition would be separate from the municipal budget where we're transferring money to them in space. Right, and we would have to put it on our warning because we do these kinds of things from the floor. It's almost like an appropriation. Yeah, okay. Essentially. And we thought it was best to do it in a manner like that versus try to put it into the budget and have a number that was collected every year into the budget, getting famous. Yeah. This way, over time, the budget stays relatively constant or it grows totally rather than having six bikes. Yeah. Anything else? Yes. So where are we? Where are we going? Actually, if we're done with the truck discussion, I've got one more item. Is that one truck discussion? There's any other questions? Well, you didn't bring that up under other business, but I guess you can, right? So this is the question for the callous select board. We had a discussion earlier this year. You guys wanted to modify the instrument as full of agreement to give you the freedom to put the fire department budgets before your voters as a separate item. And I assume that that's how you're planning to do that. We haven't gotten that far in our budget discussion, but that was the idea. So it sounds like we're all calcicetic on the fire and ambulance budgets that have been proposed for next year. So we've got this number that is to be divided, two thirds, C's, Montpelier, one third to callous. Are you talking the truck now or are you talking the budget? No, I'm talking the budget. So we're going to make this into our municipal budget and so that will get voted up or down. Hopefully it'll get voted up if it's conceivable that we end up in a situation where callous voters approve of your municipal budget, but they vote down the fire department budget. And then there are a number of things that could happen. One, you could have another vote and vote less for a fire department budget, in which case you guys are paying less than one third and we're still paying two thirds. Or you could come back to us and say, hey, the fire department, you guys need to reduce your overall budget so that East Montpelier is paying its fair share and twice what callous ended up paying, or you could repurpose money from elsewhere in your budget so that you cover the fire department budget one third, two thirds the way we talked about it. I'm wondering what you're thinking about that. I think when we've had these discussions about doing things this way, one, it was thought that the possibility of that happening is probably very small. And secondly, if that happens, we'll have to figure out how to deal with it. One of the taxpayers are also going to have to figure out how to do it. This is a valuable asset that's one of the reasons we're doing it is to keep them engaged in the game and make sure it's a commitment that we get there. So I think that works. I mean, our experience with taxpayers is they're very supportive of the fire department and always have that. Okay. Thank you. Anything else? Anything else? Anything else? Seth, anything from? Florida. The Florida office. Not as pertain to this meeting. Yes. I see. Can I ask who the person was who was talking under other business asking about how the budget will be handled? I just didn't recognize the person's name and voice. This is Carl, Kate. Oh, thank you. You have everybody else in the room, all the other mess. Would you guys mind reading a list of who's in the room that'd be amazing? Okay, so there's Bruce Johnson. Here's Dylan. Carl, there. John, do it. Sandy, Conti. All clear. Fire, Roland. Here you go. Great, Kate. Denise, we learned how to put trauma. Mary's wrong. Oops, yep. We're able to get everybody. Thank you. So appreciate that. Thanks, Kate. Thank you. Okay. Well, with that, we'll adjourn. So, I guess we're returning, Katie, even though we don't have a forum, but... Seth, are you declaring us adjourned? I was waiting for a motion. I vote that we adjourn. I second it. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. How long are you in Florida? A long time. Only another five, six days at this point, but we come down here pretty often in the winter. Because we've got horses to take care of and things of that nature. And I play polo every week. Yeah. And we're training horses and we're doing lots of stuff. So anyway, it's nice weather and it's beautiful. So, Kate, how's that? Morning, good. I'm coming down. I'll see you tomorrow.