 Renee Brown has done a lot of work about kind of being brave enough to be vulnerable and about how important empathy is in the world, not just in schools. But I think it's very, very easy for school leaders to show sympathy towards someone that is struggling with their mental health. And they'll say things like, oh, you know, like, you know, you do a really good job and the kids really love being with you. And the things that are trying to make you better, but if you're really struggling with your mental health are going to have exactly the opposite effect. And it's about being brave enough to sit with someone in that distress and show them genuine empathy and try and understand what it's like for them and sit through their eyes so that you can work together. Because if there isn't that understanding of how things are, and if someone is just showing the token sympathy gesture, which makes them feel better, but doesn't actually do anything, then nothing will change. But if you are genuinely listening with empathy and trying to understand what it feels like to be them, but also how you could work together to make things better, then that's got to be the way to change things in schools, I think.